Would an "Operation Health" for Dead by Daylight Work?

/ scottjund

[@cbuck1669]

"after talking to some people on twitter i actually did change my mind..." scott i think you're the first person to ever say that sentence

[@rydiafan1]

That's not fair. There's also freshly radicalized alt-right incels.

[@FisOffline]

Another point for "Operation Health" is that there's no reason the art team couldn't make some cosmetics in the meantime, if anything, not working on new killer/survivor/map art would free up talent for skins and whatnot

[@Asin24]

This. Having the framework improved in the game and having it add a bunch of new cosmetics players can earn would be a good way to get people to want to play despite not having the typical "New Killer/Survivor/Map' cycle. It can be a special event or perhaps just a new little reward track. This is also considering if they fixed the framework and actually put in the work it should ideally make the production side of the game more effective and as such faster which can make them more productive long term as well.

[@Derek_The_Magnificent_Bastard]

I was thinking the same thing. They could double up on cosmetic releases during that time to try and make up for lost revenue.

[@arcarc2663]

Seriously. What's the argument that content like fucking Skull Merchant's entire chapter added any kind of new content that added value or sold jack squat.

[@foggy_nights]

esp with the possibility of seeing scrapped/set-aside cosmetics getting the time to make them work in the game

[@SirSabzZa]

​@@arcarc2663 i mea skull merchant was the result of a license that flopped and they had to rush a new killer

[@Trident_Gaming03]

Picture This: It's 2028, DbD has a 96% of Steam, it hasn't dipped below 100k active players in over 6 months, and Huntress is in the next Super Smash Bros Title and Fortnite Season 69, Darth Vader has been announced as the next killer, and they're selling Trickster flavored energy drinks

[@EyesDontCry]

And trapper still sucks 🙂

[@dirac_dydx1830]

What does Trickster taste like? Asking for a friend.

[@RaffoPhantom]

@@EyesDontCry The most likely of outcomes

[@femboyChristmas]

​@@dirac_dydx1830makeup

[@HigherDarkness]

@@EyesDontCryTrapton is pretty good with strong hex perks that you can defend

[@arcarc2663]

Since the Nic Cage patch, BHVR has touched a grand total of five survivor perks. FIVE. That's approximately a single perk, once every two months. Two nerfs. Two buffs. One rework to a garbage perk that stayed garbage. Whether or not you think survivor perks overall nerfed, buffed, or what, they apparently aren't even interested in making even the tiniest, MOST SCANT number tweaks for the last TEN MONTHS. To say nothing of breaking the entire game over and over. Whatever the hell their priorities are at the moment, they're completely insane.

[@MagorTuga]

Meanwhile League of Legends gets a patch twice a month to tweak decimal cases in order to maintain winrates perfectly at 50%. I imagine every time BHVR wants to change a variable in the code, they have to sacrifice a license contract to the Entity in order to boot up VS Code.

[@retsell459]

@@MagorTugatbf League is like a hundred times bigger than DbD

[@VII002]

Keep in mind an operation health would also result with perk balance, killer reworks etc. So while we won’t have any “new” content, there will still be stuff to play for the hardcore while also being a better experience for the casuals in the future.

[@ExSuPiO1]

Hey Scott, guys here

[@Deputy_Doofus]

Old but gold joke

[@Al_The_mediocre]

Hey here, guys Scott

[@Slaughter_Party]

Guys Scott, hey here

[@raiden3295]

We have girls too. I mean I don't have any...Nvm I'm out

[@thedarktyrant]

Woz

[@lordsceptile6181]

IMO DBD needs a For Honor style operation health. In the second year of FH, they didn’t release new characters for 3 seasons straight. Instead each season focused on revamping the core mechanics and systems of the game, and reworking characters. These reworks where substantial as well, and where getting as much hype as a new character. They weren’t just number tweeks, they were getting new movesets. Then after the 3 seasons were done, they dropped Marching Fire. One of the greatest updates to for honor, adding the Wu Lin faction of characters and the new breach mode.

[@ScottJund]

as an interesting point, i literally quit the game because of that very content drought

[@lordsceptile6181]

@@ScottJundyou should’ve stuck around, marching fire into year 3 was easily the best time for For Honor

[@Tsaooyoh]

L ​@@ScottJund

[@panzershreck8077]

I still can't believe I played almost 3-4 years straight of for honor even in its content drought of seasons. Marchine fire was so fucking hype tho, one of the best releases for the game we had and got so many people back into the game.

[@ScottJund]

@@lordsceptile6181 probably, im just hinting at what the community might do with that much inactivity

[@phillipw6374]

We've legit just gone in a circle. I remember pitches like this years ago.

[@bubbajoe117]

Watching Nemesis hit the griddy on survivors mid chase would be a pressure release valve like you wouldn’t believe

[@lunaliciousgeek]

*Camera panning out to third person as I make Nemmy twerk like Fortnite Thanos* god the serotonin boost just thinking of it

[@Trident_Gaming03]

At this point, I don't even think the community cares if it works We just want them to even remotely consider doing it Plus, if they succeed, the game becomes it's best version of itself If it fails, let's be honest, we all know this game will never lose its entire playerbase, so it wouldn't matter

[@mojolmao1752]

Hey man I have been playing Dead By Daylight since 1106 AD and I just wanted to say that you are completely wrong.

[@mojolmao1752]

@@hewmanbeing holy shit dude you played only 362 years after the game got released? Ur a real OG

[@fart63]

Veterans will keep playing dbd through the apocalypse

[@thethumblessn00b19]

Didn’t Bungie go through a MASSIVE and consistent player drop after D2 released/shortly after?

[@lorenzo1425]

Bro they tried to change the twins swap speed and accidentally added epilepsy mode, it would take like four operation healths in a row to get the game in a functional state

[@anonyoutube825]

The strobing was due to the engine upgrade, nothing to do with the twins

[@LuckyKat89TV]

Honestly, they need to do like Day z. Shortly after they celebrated their anniversary after the game had been out and extremely buggy for over 10 years, they came out day z 2 I think restarting from the ground up would be their only salvation

[@lonetiger0774]

This flashing light issue happens to everyone on both sides no matter the character. I saw a clip of a flashing light because a killer hooked a Zarina in the dead dog saloon basement.

[@ConnorC2023]

Depends on if it actually does end up like how Operation Health was for Siege, which was a catastrophe at the time. But for long term, might actually work out well. But then again it’s BHVR, we gave them 3 years to rework twins and look what we got.

[@stevsux4442]

Maybe I'm not fully informed because I only play siege for a few weeks every year or two but a catastrophe? I remember launch siege being an absolute mess where basically none of its mechanics or balancing worked correctly and wasn't operation health the one that went through and fixed most of those?

[@rileyp1506]

​@stevsux4442 operation health basically made most maps unplayable because there were spots that would instantly kill you

[@ConnorC2023]

@@stevsux4442 Operation health absolutely destroyed the games framework for a short period of time. Initially ruining hitboxes, recoil patterns, bullet spread, physics, game mechanics and other bugs that as mentioned would kill you instantly.

[@deacon6221]

It was a disaster but it led to the game being completely fixed overall and greatly improved everything about it.

[@Maybe_Saber]

@@stevsux4442operation health had so many glitches it was insane. There were glitch spots where you could throw valk cams where they couldn’t be shot and see everywhere on a map and doc had an infinite stim glitch. The games netcode/networking was absolutely dookie which with the games shitboxes made it even worse. God I do not miss that game.

[@SomeFrenchDude]

The fact that this game is still alive while being this fucking horrendous is incredible.

[@alexhendricks7848]

i can tell you why: because dbd as an ip is incredibly unique and interesting to players. there is hardly any other game that has the same success as dbd, and its the only pvp horror game where you can play as michael myers one match, face off against bubba sawyer the next, then play the next as freddy krueger. dbd has extremely developed lore, and they have access to a lot of horror licenses, from well known ones like pyramidhead and cheryl mason from silent hill to lesser known ones like sadako from ringu. as someone who has been playing since 2020, ive had to take some breaks, even as long as a year long one, but i find myself coming back everytime

[@panzeratom695]

An operation health would be the perfect thing to bring DBD back to being my main game. I dont really get too hyped for new chapters anyway, so having a period where I can readjust to the content already there as well as perk/character/map/mechanic refreshes would be great. I dont know if it would be sustainable for their business model or the majority of players though. I imagine the bulk of their customer base plays for a bit whenever a chapter releases and then slowly peters out.

[@OMGWTFROFLCOPTERBBQ]

Yes! For the love of Christ. Any player with an attention span greater than a shaken Etch-A-Sketch would realize taking a break from content would be the best thing for the game.

[@qwert_511]

This update could: - Improve existing free perks - Add more free perks - balance current problem perks - bug fixes for knight and twins (and any other super buggy killers) - give add-on passes to pyramid head, twins, etc - add purchasable animations - add selectable moris - overhaul the positive props system to give a small amount iridescent shards when you receive a thumbs up - add loads of cosmetics I would personally be quite happy with this in the place of a chapter

[@Goose683]

Perfect opportunity for an operation health is when Shadow of the Erdtree comes out. Everyone and their mums will be playing that so that would give them a few months to get something rolling

[@Its_Only_Chill]

I won't... I don't own the game lol

[@benfowler5258]

This. If Bhvr wants to be smart even unannounced they should heavily consider exploit the month after Shadow of the Erdtree release and bombard the game with Operation health like content, gamemode or something like these.

[@CaptainCastle]

​@@Its_Only_Chillfinding yourself maidenless?

[@Cay9z]

​@@CaptainCastleThe fact that he doesn't have DBD shows your statement is false, I uninstalled DBD after nearly 300 hours of playtime, Lost 200lbs the next day and got some bitches

[@kidscast5842]

@@Cay9zhe meant Elden ring you maiden less fool

[@serioustable8659]

If they actually buffed a bunch of shitty perks, rework or at least touch up some of the weaker killers (like Myers and Freddy), make some core changes to make the game better/more interesting, and make some overall good balance changes, I'd gladly trade a new killer and some perks for it. The buffed perks would add far more value to the perk pool than a new chapter, the buffed/reworked killers would add far more value to the killer roster than just one new killer (unless they are fuckin awesome), and making core changes big or small would be far more interesting than some new content just added to what we already got. But, that's assuming they actually do all of that. Based on the gigabotched twins dework and Myers still not having jack shit even though they said they were looking at him forever ago, I would rather take my gamble with the 6 perks and a killer

[@shadowdeath3050]

6:03 I have been saying this shit for YEARS since I started playing this game. If BHVR made unique moris for every killer like how Ubisoft makes unique executions for their heroes in For Honor this game can have more options to spend iridescent shards or bloodpoints on. The moris bring out so much personality in every killer and you’d think if they’re a killer surely they’d know how to get creative with their kills, murdering survivors in different ways and what not. The fact that this isn’t already in the game when they’ve had years to do this opportunity is ridiculous to me. Good video as always and hope you are doing well Scott. I’m just glad I’m not the only one who thinks about this idea for the game often.

[@kidninja8331]

See Scott, in regards to BHVR making new animations, that would simply be too confusing for new players!

[@Spooky1281]

I would love an emote system similar to Helldivers 2. Let a survivor use an emote and then another survivor can walk up and interact with them to continue the emote. Imagine how funny it would be to be playing killer with 2 survs left alive and you walk into shack and see them playing Rock Paper Scissors to see who lives

[@calllofdutydogs]

something I’ve sat on for a while is them possibly introducing another Shrine of Secrets slot, make it community voted (through reddit or twitter or whatever) and charge like 50-100 auric cells for it. there’s a thousand ways they can slyly monetize the game further. While i’m happy in this point in time that they don’t, i could absolutely live with it if it meant they could spend time to start unraveling the spaghetti that makes up the game

[@realquestforgreatness]

I think if bhvr does this they should have a major ptb every month with 2 minor ones in between, in this time they could add new maps, cosmetics, moris, music for basic music killers, changes and alterations etc. It definitely could work, to add they could add a permanent 2v8 mode and other temporary modifiers. Bhvr has the potential to make this game almost perfect, they just need to lock in and start changing stuff and fixing things. Imo they should start the moment the masquerade event ends and give a good bonus and special stuff to the players sticking around during a health update

[@cinderefell1399]

I want to believe that it would help. Can't say for certain unless it happens, and I see where it goes.

[@somekinnn]

Tbh, I can't think of any survivor animations that wouldn't just look really goofy and out of place. Yeah, some cosmetics are goofy looking, but the dark lighting ingame for (most) of them and so makes them feel more natural. I cannot imagine any animations that wouldn't either kinda take me out of it or be "p2w" for solo queue for being more clear indications.

[@piralos1329]

Idk, emotes like a celebration, a thanks, or a bow could be cool! Nothing game breaking, but just some silliness for people to mess around with!

[@KatyaAbc575]

It's been years since the game had dark lighting. Nowadays, Dead by Daylight maps are about as bright as a cloudy summer midday, its insane.

[@FeltUmbrella]

Reworking bad perks into something usable, reworking outdated killers into something more viable, ex Micheal and trapper

[@davidodonohoe1773]

I’d love to see trapper have 10 traps in his base kit (instead of the add on) and you can throw them like huntress hatches. Will take practice to be accurate but you can put them down super fast. Maybe players can escape quicker to balance it out but currently he’s just not fun to play as. Traps take too long to set and are easily countered.

[@Hyde472]

I both do and don't want Myers reworked. The struggle is real.

[@thethumblessn00b19]

@@Hyde472Ah yes. The duality of man.

[@retsell459]

@@Hyde472Michael is fun and lore-accurate but he’s also weak and Tombstone is definitely super outdated and not healthy in the slightest

[@Hyde472]

@@retsell459 Yes I play the game too.

[@matthewisabella8145]

I feel like Behavior would never beat the allegations by taking 6 months off of content updates and adding an animation shop. People already think they only care about the item shop. Probably would help the game in the long run, but everyone would complain at first.

[@kidscast5842]

The complaints would be the minority but the silent majority who don’t care either way would bite like gremlins.

[@thethumblessn00b19]

I’m going to be honest, people will complain about LITERALLY ANYTHING these days.

[@wumboacademy1925]

Hey guys, viewer here, and today we're going to be taking a look at Scott's new video

[@leonlacroix2638]

Im all for a operation health. Been around since day 1. I love this game, but its just so incredibly frustrating now.

[@vking7]

Potential thing to contrast for consideration: Payday 3's Operation Medic Bag, which, from what I've heard, has been received by some major voices as too little too late (or perhaps just "they should have started this sooner, and need to do a lot more"). I bring it up to state that if Behaviour wanted to do a big overhaul like is being discussed, they may really need to rip off the bandages and do it soon.

[@alexhendricks7848]

i second this. after the horrible bugs of the 7.7.0 patch, bhvr really needs to start playing for the long game. it seems they only care about short term at the moment, with most of the fixes on balance to be bandaids

[@doppleganger4660]

In the same vein as paid animations i think another gold mine they're sitting on is perk/icon packs. I know as a console player. I would love to have some cool perk packs and icons and you could even make it community driven and have people sumbit their ideas for custom perk packs and then potentially sell that and then have the Creator have a portion or whatever. It's just endless possibilities

[@alexhendricks7848]

they could also implement portrait icon packs for survivors and killers. i would pay good money for them as a console player myself

[@alecjohnson3688]

I think it would be healthy for the game for sure, we have a lot of killers and survivors and wouldn’t be a bad idea imo

[@kevincanales6654]

You’re absolutely right the mori store would sell like no tomorrow

[@dynastyzero2636]

its the only thing that can bring me back now.

[@DCption]

What they should do in term of store would be to introduce recolor (hair/top/pant) in plenty of colors that people could buy for a low price (maybe 50-100 aurics) it would make characters way more original.

[@fart63]

There are certain cosmetic pieces I would buy if they weren’t locked in outfits

[@DCption]

@@fart63 yes me too, they should also unlock this

[@normalcarrot6361]

Dancing emotes- no Ace Finger gun pointing- yes, i'd pay twenty

[@Jalswim]

I think an important thing to keep in mind is a lot of their best people are very likely working on making the new killers each chapter, which could be why a lot of bugs happen and fixes take a while to be noticed and rolled out. At least from the outside it looks like they kind of rush each chapter, barely finish it on time, and then figure they can fix it as it soft-launches on PTB and before the midchapter. If they had an entire chapter dedicated to fixes, those people would be less rushed because they're focusing all their effort on just known bugs and testing rather than an entirely new entity being created, then tested, then rolled out.

[@bigbizon6416]

Let me Gangnam Style with Nemesis

[@Trident_Gaming03]

I think it was League of Legends that went back and basically rewrote the entire code of the game They'd basically have to do that, which they could technically do while also adding to the main game They'd just have to hire a ton of new people, and even then, it would just take a long time

[@Derek_The_Magnificent_Bastard]

But imagine the possibilties! Hit boxes that were actually fair!

[@fart63]

They don’t need to rewrite the entire code. Just fix killer powers and bad perks

[@Trident_Gaming03]

@@fart63 The killer powers and perks are implemented on top of spaghetti code. Yeah, they should definitely change a lot of killers and perks, but until they rewrite the code itself, any new code adds to to the games instability, leading to more bugs.

[@jonathann4813]

Wait wasnt that done when they moved the game to a new unreal engine?

[@BoostedGamer]

Omg. If they sold the old survivor animations / old dbd stuff in general I would immediately start playing the game again

[@Ciberstreak19]

The only thing I want in DBD is cross-save if that gets implemented Im definitely coming back

[@broomguy7]

Dead by Daylight bugfix patch, funded by Nic Cage and Bruce Campbell hitting the griddy and doing the orange justice dance.

[@thevigilmain6628]

Never would I ever expect to see Scott mention r6 lol. I’ve wondered the same for so long

[@Deathspeak2u]

The thing about operation health that gets glossed over a lot is that Operation Health was all done within Siege's TTS (tactical test server) and was based on player feedback in addition to dev decision making. They would be able to demo SO MANY CHANGES the whole time and see what breaks the game and fix it without it affecting the live game like the ptb already is supposed to do. Granted, the Siege TTS is a separate executable that isn't available outside of testing time and the ptb would need that separation of servers. Seeing other comments about how the changes of Health could have been done over time and I think the bigger problem with that is: if they did it over time the game would have died. It's a death by a thousand cuts mostly due to the issues that were present in siege at the time. The biggest issue with forever games is that when you don't do Big Sweeping Changes in one go your player base will get more jaded because of the compounding problems. Saying "there would be no new content" ignores the live changes, again depending on how frequently they hotfixed the ptb, that would be happening. It could allow for them to make dbd a brand new game/breathe new life into a stagnant formula. Do I think an Entity Health Update chapter would be good for dbd? Absolutely. Is it going to be done and/or handled well by bhvr? Really hard to say considering their track record, but their current trend from the most recent ptb to live changes (mostly wrt the twins) seems to be: Getting Better About It.

[@Katana314]

I'm still very unsure about how much effort needs to go into a feature for them to present it even as a test. Ideally, they'd be prototyping ideas in Unreal where any new object in the game is some sort of orange placeholder box, and there are so many scripting errors they need to actually inform their playtesters what the rules are supposed to be. That's a long way from user-presentable, and it needs a lot of commitment, man-hours, and polish for them to clean it up. Unfortunately, we got exactly that with the Twins rework, which is all now work down the drain - because the very first Twins player could have seen the prototype version of it and said "This is terrible".

[@Deathspeak2u]

@@Katana314 As much as it sucks to say or hear from a player: It's kind of their job! I have no clue how much work needs doing, I truly don't. But that IS their job. The ultimate question on if anything like an Operation Health thing would need answered is: Will the higher ups/shareholders/whatever actually listen to the players and the devs that want to do these changes? It could be an inordinate amount of work, I couldn't tell you. But you don't need to be a developer to see that there's work at a systemic level for the game that needs doing. A long form rolling ptb with lots of hotfixes and changes would be expected to be a buggy mess, and I would take a mess of a ptb that gets a ton of things ironed out over the course of three months or however long over a death by a thousand cuts with drip feed fixes that is the current model.

[@Ignitus541]

Imagine if they did what roblox does and have entire custom animation sets for purchase for stuff like running, vaulting, repairing gens, etc.

[@DillonMeyer]

It doesn't have to be all at once. Instead, I propose a series of paragraph updates focusing on the health of the game. Within the updates they could have the animations/moris/skins mentioned in the video, but be straightforward with the intentions to the community: This set of paragraphs are to give the team time to properly work on game health so that future chapters can be enjoyed more smoothly. Them having updated to UE5 is the first step, and I have no doubts in my mind that they have ALREADY begun working on fixing the bugs that cropped up recently due to the engine change.

[@TheDeenoh]

I think the biggest issue in the content area is that just on timelines of how early they start on new chapters, this would put a pause on content for much longer than 6 months and likely push closer to a year Especially if they pause any ipro chapters to rebuild in the updated framework.

[@VoermanIdiot]

I think it's worth mentioning that Operation Health, at the time of release, did not do TOO MUCH. A lot of rampant bugs were still around. However, the fruits of the labor wouldn't show themselves until many years later as one of the big things that Operation Health helped with was to make the back-end easier to work with and made the upgrade to the next engine much, much smoother than it would have been without Operation Health.

[@Zacharygoldberg123]

Operation health was the best thing to ever happen to siege. It gave the devs time to fix serious game breaking bugs and broken mechanics in the game. I don't see BHVR doing something like this because money. It would be an amazing way to improve the game. They could focus on fixing glaring issues with individual killers/perks. I havent played this game in 3 years, but if they gave enough of a shit to actually fix their game I might come back and buy a dlc or 2

[@xqxry]

im waiting for the moment he has an intro with "Hey all, Scott here"

[@Matt-ci1yl]

This might be the first time I've ever thought "Wow, these guys can't manage their own product - let someone buy them out" and i LOVE small dev teams.

[@skyretiredtimetraveler2061]

They aren't small. BHVR has over 1500 employees.

[@Matt-ci1yl]

@@skyretiredtimetraveler2061 if that's true they need to be investigated hahaha

[@skyretiredtimetraveler2061]

@@Matt-ci1yl They've had over 1000 employees for years now, they had over 1300 more than 2 years ago, and they've been pretty big for a lot longer than that. Around the time dedicated servers were added is probably about the time you couldn't consider them small, and that was well over 6 years ago.

[@scrowfunk8109]

It’s been a long time since we’ve seen the Rocko's modern life shirt, Scott. Were starving

[@mojolmao1752]

based clown

[@TheHammockProduction]

as a tf2 player i'd love to hi5 and conga as killer with survivors :3

[@Demonpickle]

I do not want shitty fortnite emotes in my horror game. I have always appreciated behaviour's commitment to the game's tone. They know how to add silly things without it breaking the aesthetic eg. Snowballs. Please keep that stuff in mobile.

[@marcovazquez-ou2pv]

Lmaoo. You clearly have not seen the cosmetics in this game have you? Ace ring a bell? Seriously this isn't even a horror game anymore, it's just a hide and go seek tag with a slasher them with a objective mixed in the mix with magical abilities and a spider deity that torments everyone for no reason.

[@ShianVideos]

- Behaviour releases custom moris and emotes - Due to the game's spaghetti code, survivors get i-frames while emoting and killers can mori without getting any hooks

[@ellie_figure-8942]

Operation Health on Rainbow Six Siege broke the game for 1 to 2 months. After that the amount of bugs got significaly reduced even until now. The Operation came with some balancing changes, a rework for Doc (Ironic) and other new content. DBD could do this and absolutly save the game like R6 at the time.

[@ThePotchili]

Honestly I don’t think community goodwill is in their priority, regardless of the possibility

[@ZeldaKingErik]

I mean they did make "Rango: the game: for the wii and other consoles of that era in 2011. Im not kidding

[@vividwizard6166]

With cosmetics already being 2-3x the price of a new killer or survivor, [Characters are 5$, decent cosmetics that aren't reskins are typically 10$, 12$, or 16$] and people still buy them for characters they already have cosmetics for, adding a new type of cosmetic like emotes or mori's would guaranteed make more than a chapter release. This would give them enough time and money to start work on possibly rewriting a small portion of really nasty code where most of their bugs derive from to prevent more bugs, and also fix bugs along the way. It is also very smart to do now because UE5 coming brought so many bugs to sort out, we need them fixed or the game won't be playable. Its literally the PERFECT time for a health chapter. Taking some time to add a custom mori for most killers that you can sell for like 10$ each, add a few emotes for survivors that could easily sell for 5-10$ each at the same time as the health chapter releasing you would make more money than a new killer would generate, and you would bring back older players for 2 reasons. 1: New content like Mori's and Emotes, which can also be used as rift rewards which would be sick. 2: The game being actually playable again.

[@punkydoo]

I think if they actually planned this and provided us with a roadmap and updates through the three months of everything they're fixing, addressing, changing, etc. that would help a lot. Also, bare minimum if they want to retain player base during that time? Give us the blood thing event the whole time, but just as the bloodpoints you can earn. That event earlier this year destroyed my desire to play the game. We were getting so many bloodpoints, that even crap games were worth sticking out. Once the event ended and we were back to legitimately getting 5-8k bp after being tunneled out at 5 gens and shit, it was like what's the point? Even for someone with 5k+ hours, there's still so many characters to put points into, especially now that p100 exists.

[@DiginauterZockt]

Oh god Operation medic bag is inescapable

[@DecisiveHard]

Yep I’ve wanted a mori store / diff moris for 3 years now. Kinda like how halo used to have multiple assassination animations.

[@sissyphus2926]

I think it's important to mention that operation health did have some new content. I was there and if I remember correctly they normally back then released two operators and a map every season. For operation health they released only one of the two and no map and next season the other one would be added in addition to all the normal season content (so 3 ops and a map instead of 2 ops). A big problem would be that when op health came out it totally destroyed the game, I stopped playing cuz the game was so broken, but it did improve the game in the long term as later on they fixed so many of the old bugs and the bugs that came with op health. I imagine something similar might happen with DBD and who knows how the community would react to that. Tho Siege has come back and became popular again since then so I think it would be a good idea if they still had some new content but that would probably be hard to do, especially if the limited new content was only for the survivors or only for killers which would cause issues for the community.

[@ganthc]

Operation Health release with some other kind of event with BP offerings could keep player numbers up/draw in interest from other players. Also, maybe just create some new maps as well as more cosmetics/moris would also generate interest during that time.

[@chandy.]

what we need is a well coded dbd 2, same type of scenario as cs:go where everything transfers over. im sure it would take way too long for it to be viable to behavior but it would realistically be the best thing for the community

[@preceptorseluvis5704]

I honestly want to see a 2 killer game mode added. That could spice the game up.

[@SOLDIER1st_Class]

I think you're right about the dead content while they're fixing it but if Behavior introduced some new game modes that we could play while we're waiting for this healthy patch to come out I think it could work

[@athiccnoodleboi3506]

Am I the only one confused at the concept of a "operation health" that's literally what a midchapter is fixing various issues nerfs/buffs instead of adding new content???

[@undeddjester]

I actually think the mori in the store changes in the store is a precursor to a mori sales strategy.

[@BarnesFlam]

Perhaps BHVR isn't in a situation where they can manage a health chapter. But the game definitely needs one.

[@gcelite36]

Siege and DBD are long overdue for a "Operation Health". It did very well for siege

[@fart63]

It did not do well for siege at first. Siege had massive issues after their “health” update

[@saihiko9967]

A good way to keep players if they do try operation health is, giving like 2x bonus to xp and 1.5x for bloodpoints, that way new players can come in and start to catch up with the game while its fixing most issues

[@rabbidguarddog]

Dead by daylight is the type of game where you would go to fix a bug only to find out the bug was not bugging properly so by fixing the bug you would then teach the bug to be a real bug. ..i think i went on a tangent

[@shrooms710]

We don't need a full on operation health. We just need something similar to the perk overhaul they did a couple years ago, but they need to do that every 6 to 12 months

[@ItzAndyArson]

BHVR can still release a survivor/killer with their patches, while simultaneously triaging the most important things to fix. If they did decide to not release new survivor/killers, at the very least they'd make money from cosmetics. Imagine if BHVR released cosmetics like mobile has. Paid emotes. Profile card customizations. Mori's. Death animations on hook. There are so many things BHVR could monetize for profit while fixing their game.

[@ryanlutes9833]

The one big meta shakeup patch they did forever ago was great, and at the time they said it would be a regular thing going forwards... And then they just never touched more than 1 or 2 perks every 3 months. I've always thought there should be some kind of rotating banlist for perks, something that changes which perks you can bring every week or so to mix things up more.

[@xSNACKERx]

if I get pallet stunned then the survivor hits the griddy i'm going to quit this game

[@ikosmic-5126]

I feel like if they added comms and then just buffed killer it would be more even instead of trying to balance a game around two different things that are on the opposite spectrum of strength

[@alexhendricks7848]

i think that bhvr should do for dbd is what blizzard did for overwatch: create a completely new game, where the foundation of its coding is completely rebuilt, all graphics are updated, maps are properly updated, perks are better balanced, etc etc, but to make up for the "content drought", to release numerous new survivors and killers when the "new game" is released. players will get hyped for it, the cosmetic team can focus on designing for longer, and they can focus on fixing the bugs and the spaghetti code. blizzard absolutely fumbled overwatch 2, but i think bhvr could actually do it with dbd. also, rather off topic, i think the biggest issue with camping/tunneling is that the devs are focusing on the sticks, rather than the carrots. if the devs revamped the emblem and pipping system to reward killers for not camping/tunneling, i think it would really help with the camping/tunneling issue

[@yuikoo0613]

I think it would work. If they release chapters like Skull Merchant that bring more issues than anything

[@Matt-hb7tu]

They do stuff like change a trapper perk and it breaks pig. And they really thought they could move to a new engine with no effects and be completely seamless.

[@alienfunbug]

This B roll is pretty amazing

[@Kofja]

Imagine how much money they would prob make if they threw in a new store tab, where you can buy animations. Like one idea I had that many players would buy, is the old survivor run animations, some players just liked those better compared to the current run animation on survivors.

[@OrinNekomata]

The thing is they're already going to sell moris and they're still going to print skins. The idea of "They CAN focus on improving game's health but they'll need to do something about money in that time" is based on them WANTING to do that. There can be 2 possibilities. They either want to improve the game's health but can't since they're forced to create new chapters (and fix bugs); or they don't really want to improve the game anymore and only care about earning money with new chapters/skins now. If it's the first one - your idea of "focus on game's health first and think of a new way to earn money instead of chapters this time" will work just fine. But nothing stops them from just selling moris and animations WITHOUT working on game's health.

[@jokergoat6405]

I think they could allow themselves to do it, if A : they are willing to actually give it their all, B :release a new gamemode (could be very simple), C : do it when other games are releasing and IMMEDIATELY AFTER a HUGE content drop (anniversary or something) Dat would be the best time for them to do it :D

[@davidodonohoe1773]

I recently figured out how to enjoy every match of dbd as killer, regardless of opponents skill or map. This is my PSA for killer mains. I had a night recently where I played multiple killers and didn’t lose once. Maybe 10-15 games. Now I love to win and I run very strong builds. Pop, corrupt, pain and something that works well with whatever killer. But the games always feel sweaty. I’m defending gens or hooks. Forcing second stages. All the stuff you need to do to win. But I’m miserable cause it just becomes stressful. I decided I’m not doing that anymore. I love huntress but I suck at her. So I put 4 aura reading perks on her and before the match even started knew I was going to lose. I concentrate solely on fun chases and throwing hatchets. I don’t care about gens and if everyone gets out I’m genuinely happy for them. All I care about is getting good at her mechanics. 4 nights later and maybe 50 games and I’ve yet to have an unfun match. I genuinely expect everyone to get out. Now oddly as my hatchets have gotten a bit better I’m losing less but it’s actually irrelevant. I genuinely don’t stress at the game. I only concentrate on what’s fun for me and that’s chases. End of PSA. I’m assuming this would work on any killers whose mechanics you like. It’s not about cross map snipes it’s just about staying in chase 100% of the time. It’s taken me about 3 years to figure this out. Lethal, nowhere, darkness and floods.

[@davidodonohoe1773]

Executions would sell so well

[@Jason-ji8ql]

I gotta say, the cosmetic side is kinda proof they could do custom animations for a cycle and still get by just fine.

[@HUNFu4]

I would even say if they released content every 4 months instead of 3 for like a year it would mean we only loose out on 1 chapter while potencialy getting a full chapter worth of fixes

[@SkaterBlades]

My first thought was yes, of course. I then remembered it's BHVR we're talking about and while i do love their work, they aren't exactly the most trustworthy in making sure their game is in a good state. I do think an overhaul of the game and maybe a new permanent game mode, or at least a constant rotating cycle of game modes we've already had, would be good. We've got over 30 killers and more survivors, the game can survive 6 months without adding to the pile, it would also hopefully give the design team a chance to make a truly amazing character for the following patch

[@Antarctide]

BHVR could have an entire year of "operation health" and there still would be plenty of unfixed bugs left (as well as new ones created in the process) due to oversight or simply because they don't know how to fix certain bugs to begin with.

[@sonicboomerino7281]

I was just thinking about this last night. That would be the best course of action. Work on fixing bugs, and reworking killers, add ons, and perks.

[@AWaifuSimp]

Heck, another small thing they could monetize, while doing an operation health, is the ability to toggle on or off the small items from some cosmetics (backpacks, hats, glasses, and other things that dangle on cosmetics). Make it a purchasable slot (say $5 per character). There are some cosmetics I like, but they have an extra little backpack, or hat, or hat on their back, that I don't like and don't use/don't buy the cosmetics. Yes, this would take effort to alter older skins, and probably couldn't be used for licensed cosmetics, but I would love that option so much. Sable's newest ponytail headpiece I like, but that ugly little hat is on it, so I didn't get it. My main Kate has many cosmetics I haven't got just due to small little hats or backpacks, like the top with a pink cowboy hat, I like the top, but hate the hat on the back, her linked greek outfit has a hat I don't like, and her most recent cosmetic has a little backpack with a small keyboard. Therefore, with just 2 survivors, BHVR is looking at $10 dollars from me.

[@Korhi]

At this point, with all the issues, I don't think a single 3 month cycle would be enough to fix everything, which they've done to themselves by going this long without any kind of stability patches.

[@adeptgopnik]

Its weird to see Scott playing Chag in the background. You gotta use those traps boyee

[@ScottJund]

a real chag has no need for paltry powers

[@ravecat]

Time it for starting right after 2v8 is released, that alone is going to open up an entire new game for content creators to engage with.

[@taylozen]

i think UE5 was like a half-done operation health, but releasing it before doing remotely enough bugfixing was a horrible decision. if this was delayed we would at least have the stable version of DBD to play until the port was finished

[@itssevii3622]

As an R6 player that used to play dbd yes I think it's a great idea

[@Somnus_FES]

I'd be happy with 2 chapters a year and events during the empty time in between while they focus on the rest of the game

[@eliasar5051]

To be fair BHVR is as of late constantly working on modifiers and events too. So just because there aren´t 6 new perks out of which 4 are usually useless, 1 survivor reskin and 1 coin toss killer, doesn't mean there is no content.

[@dannytwitch3276]

🤗 ❤❤❤. I feel like Behavior is getting ready to add new killer Mori’s. In this past update they made it to where we can see the killer Moro animations. I like it would be a great addition! I wanna see more sexy Trickster mori’s. Survivor taunts and animations would be funny to add. I’m all down for it