Would These Planets Survive the Viltrumite Empire?

[@rougarabid]

Haven't done comics in a while. Discord - discord.gg/atyzDTceyx

[@namememe9148]

I demand a world that dogs doom

[@JordanDavis-l8f]

Viltrumites wouldn't survive the x men alone

[@lukeyoung-p2y]

Could hear Video Game characters survive the Doom Invasion: Sonic Kirby Mario Link

[@namememe9148]

@@lukeyoung-p2y well kirby would solo

[@lukeyoung-p2y]

Viltrumites are not planet busters. Omni Man, Mark, and the Baldy were only able to destroy one planet because the core was heavily destabilized and they had to hit a specific spot or they would die on impact. Still good vid though

[@ScamLikely504]

Black guy here. I agree. White folks really like the Kilmonger hairstyle. Immediately after BP1, black folks rocked it because it was a huge moment for black super hero films and it did look cool on the character. I even had a couple friends who rocked it. Now however the moment has passed and game developers don’t seem to get that. It’s become the default hair style of every black character in nearly every game which is a shame because Our hair is very diverse. Let the Kilmonger hair die with him

[@casey997]

You know how these things go bro, the style is going to last about 3-5 more years because of how early games start developing

[@65firered]

We did it because it looked cool, they do it because they genuinely believe it's a common hairstyle. We are not the same.

[@majidmoro3866]

Thank you brother its getting annoying fr

[@CtisGaming]

I'm seeing it as the equivalent of the generic RPG protag hair. It's uncanny how similar it can look. That said, it's not going away, but I'd rather our hair options increase anyway.

[@NinonPhil]

Fellow black man here! Agreed!

[@Its_JohnJohn]

To answer your question, black men do NOT accept the Killmonger haircut

[@thekiller3475]

I think it look good but they overusing it like shit and no know in real like wears it

[@Hagaspaba]

The reason its easy to determine whos planetary in dbz is cause they blatantly state what power level is necessary to blow up a planet so anyone above that is clearly planet level, but the majority of namekians are not that

[@Sirdrunky]

Nail was 42k i believe he was the strongest

[@HadeTheReal]

Nail is way above that

[@Hagaspaba]

@@HadeTheReal yeah thats why i said the majority and not all

[@Sirdrunky]

@ vegeta had a power level of 20k ish on namek Prince vegeta waved his arm and it on the low end calcs to large planet level+ Mid end brown dwarf level High end brown dwarf level Nail had 42k

[@TresBS1]

@Hagaspaba True but even with a power level of 300-400, Piccolo vaporized the Moon instantly. The namkeian warriors who fought Frieza's goons had power levels around 3000. So, massively over Piccolo's head. Even Moori, a village elder, had a power level of 5000 and Nail is 42000. I'm pretty sure the Viltrumites are getting slaughtered.

[@Prince_Luci]

To be clear, there’s less than 50 living Viltrumites at the start of the series. I think the number might’ve gotten as low as 37. So to be fair none of these planets would have to defend against armies of Viltrumites. (Unless you’re taking Thraggs insect hybrid army)

[@pattou2175]

Technically by the end of the series all the bunch of might have kids pretty much so the numbers should work themselves out but you're still right

[@MrTpeze]

That’s what I was thinking

[@ds22342]

27:21 Saiyan saga Vegeta IS the first planet buster in the series. And no its not just an anime only thing. It was confirmed in the daizenshu(Toriyama approved). "Powerlevels don't matter. Toriyama said so." No, he said he stopped using them because they are spoilers. Powerlevels are unreliable not because they are wrong but because how much they fluctuate due to technique and transformations(and also the fact that characters can HIDE their level, seriously this point is hammered constantly). With that said, 10K is the bare minimum to be needed to blow up a planet, something Nail far far far surpasses.

[@georgejaneczko3025]

in addition to the reasons you gave, power levels made the story very predictable, there is never a point where a character with a lower power level wins against someone with a higher one in a straight 1v1, and this made the story too predictable regarding the winner of fights

[@ds22342]

@georgejaneczko3025 exactly, maybe he's thinking of piccolo killing raditz? Even then, attacks like SBC raises your power level, this was clearly shown in that fight

[@Aichi1138]

​@ds22342 not just raise your power level, Makankosappo and the Kienzon concentrate a lower ki level into a hyper condensed state letti g them pierce much higher levels of ki defenses. You need to VASTLY out tier a SBC or DD user to be able to tank their attack

[@spaceman6693]

Do you know where the quote of akira toriyama saying that is from? Can’t find it

[@ds22342]

​@@spaceman6693 ok idk why yt hates it when I paste the link

[@firestone2178]

As a black guy the hair style aint that bad. The problem is that its EVERYWHERE!!!!! And They WONT DO SOMETHING ELSE, WHEN THEIRS SO SO!!!! MANY BLACK HAIRSTYLES!!!

[@boxlions2073]

Real

[@chrisn699]

It's like when white dudes had the sides and back down to the skin and had the top long and slicked back. Too trendy.

[@Psub950]

Would These Medieval/Fantasy Characters Survive Game of Thrones? -Aragon (Lord of the Rings) -Apollyon (For Honor) -Conan The Barbarian (Comics) -Thorfinn (Vinland Saga) -Ambessa Medarda (Arcane)

[@Shackamania]

Commenting on this to push it up the feed, def want to see this one or something like it

[@clueless7822]

Apollyon is going to dominate

[@Prince_Luci]

Depends where they start for sure. Conan does was better is essos. Aragorn does better in the north. Thorfinn probably does alright on the iron islands or with the wildlings.

[@youreafurryhuh]

NO GODDAMMIT THE FOR HONOR MEMORIES ARE COMING BACK!

[@KhavostovRasputin]

That's a pretty good idea, and it's rare for people to mention For Honor nowadays.

[@Shoutatclouds]

Vitramites plannet smahsing was on a destabilised plannet and if all 3 weren't very well coordinated they would die, and they were amongst the 3 strongest. Its not really a replicable feat.

[@notyourdad9548]

This is the first video that flops due to this

[@Sirdrunky]

Agreed, its moon level at max

[@Sirdrunky]

Agreed, its moon level at max

[@ds22342]

To be fair, he only said this for the top tiers(Thraag, Nolan, Mark, maybe conquest)

[@Sirdrunky]

@ with maximum wank ill give thraag small planet level

[@AlexHunter2525]

Just a reminder the planet was destabilized by a weapon before they flew through it and even then they had to hit it perfectly or they'd die. So they can't just do that normally to a planet it's a very specific situation.

[@RamenHutt]

I know you were talking about the high end, but it is stated multiple times that they would have killed themselves if not for space racer destabilizing the entire planet.

[@flynvascense9405]

35:05 that's not the only way for them to beat The viltrumites. They can do namekian fusion.

[@dreamgodd9503]

Yeah and we saw how strong that was in the tournament of power with weaker namakian so I think that this will be a dog walk

[@WolfSpirit8808]

It makes sense, I mean look at what happened to both times with piccolo. With Nail he jumped to be able to easily defeat second form Frieza and with kami he temporarily surpassed Vegeta

[@showkage]

No cause how tf do you show the arc but not realize the nemekians can do that That right there is what i call a tik tok db fans (not him i understand this is research but cmon man )

[@ibannash]

Didn't mention Namekians fusing. We saw the potential of this in both DBZ and in DBS.

[@rougarabid]

Yeah but they didn’t do it in Z against Frieza so why would they do it against the Viltrumites but I agree I should’ve at least mentioned it.

[@jeremywhite8443]

​@rougarabid they did use it against frieza once piccolo came back. He and nail fused

[@dmitro-]

​@@jeremywhite8443exactly

[@anhthai7005]

@@rougarabidto be entirely fair they did do so against Moro

[@Nameandaddresswithheld]

I don’t think that potential is all that massively high, if DBS didn’t completely destroy any attempt at a reasonable scale. An ENTIRE PLANET of namekians packed into 2 dudes makes each of them roughly equal to piccolo, who only fused with 2 of them (technically 1 when you consider piccolo and Kami are canonically a singular being to begin with)

[@Aichi1138]

19:47 something you forgot about Armament haki, Or more specifically Advanced armament haki, is that it bypasses defenses to attack an opponents body from the inside, In much the same way that high frequency sound waves are capable of screwing with Viltrumites

[@blacksheep6415]

Fire actually works on viltrumutes it just has to be as hot as the sun. Thragg was the strongest viltrumute and he was burnt to death fighting in the sun. Even mark died he just got resurrected

[@rougarabid]

Yeah I didn’t say heat wouldn’t work just not magma.

[@graljoffrewithoutanarmy860]

Isn't fire like a much weaker version of plasma? The sun's surface is plasma, so it took a long period of direct exposure to plasma for Thragg's skin to melt away. It's a nitpick I know, but I feel saying just fire undersells the amount of heat required to actually damage viltrumite skin, even for the weaker ones to a lesser extent. In short: 🤓

[@onyxgrnr666]

​@@rougarabid we have no idea how hot his magma is tho. Like it isnt just normal magma since it was hot enough to "burn fire"

[@radioraheem9820]

Mark did not die, they just got him to a hospital in time and Viltrumites are naturally strong healers.

[@blacksheep6415]

@@graljoffrewithoutanarmy860 their skin got burnt off in the same panel as them entire the surface of the sun then mark dragged him closer to the center which ended up living them both cooked

[@jashthemad5]

In the games they put the word “solar” in cells attacks just to prove that he can lol

[@AceyGz43rdd]

too much hax in the one piece world - individual battle yea easily, but team tactics like you said w/ sugar one touch on the invasion leader it’s over they lose all memories of why they even there which would go down to the rest given he gave the order … Law+Sugar - Sugar+Robin etc

[@JimSebastianWhittembury]

The one piece world is probably going to defeat the Viltrumite invasion and I am going to explain you why: First, the planet that the tree Viltrumites exploded was already destabilized by the space racers gun, the feat wasn’t entirely theirs, on top of that tadeous himself said that if the tree of them didn’t perfectly coordinate their strike the pressure of the planet would kill the tree of them, their durability isn’t planetary either. Second, all characters in one piece with advanced armament haki can instantly kill any Viltrumite AS LONG AS THEY SOMEHOW MANAGE TO LAND A HIT, the reason of that is the specific way the Viltrumites durability and adaptability works. The Viltrumites are nearly indestructible and their bodies can withstand almost anything, but that only applies to the surface of their bodies (skin, hair, eyeballs, ears, and the mouth including the tongue), below the surface they are as fragile as a regular human. Theoretically speaking, YOU 🫵 can kill king Thrag himself if you manage to put some C4 through his ass (like the boys with translucent), the reason why is so hard to kill them is because their insides are out of reach and protected by their insanely durable exterior. NOW, advanced armament haki (witch all the top dogs in one piece dominate: Yonkos, Admirals, Garp, Luffy, CP 0, Mihawk, Zoro, the Gorosei, etc) have two applications that rouga didn’t mentioned, Energy transmission and Internal destruction. Energy transmission allows you to send the haki from a point A to a point B without losing it’s power; while Internal destruction allows you to pass through external obstacles without having to destroy them or pierce them allowing you to destroy things FROM THE INSIDE OUT, while leaving the exterior intact, this completely nullifies the way the Viltrumite body defends itself. Third, Many One piece characters are Faster than light, not only the top ones kizaru may be made out of light but the speed of light is nowhere near his limit, a lot of characters in the new world can surpass light speed, not only dodging light beams but even out-speeding them, combined with observation haki gives them the ability to fight opponents faster than them as long as the speed gap isn’t massive. Now the average Viltrumite can reach light speed after building up some momentum, while their strongest members can move fast enough to travel trough galaxies in weeks or months, which surpasses the reach of the One piece verse by faaaaaaar. The problem is the in order to reach their top speed the Viltrumites need to accelerate first, the require at least a tiny little bit of time to build up momentum and reach or surpass light speed, stronger Viltrumites require less time but they will always need time. One piece characters doesn’t need time to accelerate at all, in that specific aspect they resemble looney toons, One piece is way more disrespectful to physics than Invincible. This means that the one piece guy with FTL speed and even those a bit slower than light will have a minuscule margin of time when they will be faster than them, only enough to land the first hit, wich can be all they need if they mastered advanced armament haki. Fourth, when Viltrumites enter the atmosphere of a planet it affects their speed. Five and these is by FAAAAAAAAAR the most relevant argument of all….. are you ready??? It’s the Sick-sick fruit. The possessor of these fruit can create viruses with all sorts of illogical and insane symptoms, like turning men into women and shit. Now, allow me to remind you: what exactly killed 99,99% of the Viltrumite population? If your answer is a virus then you are correct. Viltrumites are extraordinarily resilient to diseases, but not completely immune, it required the best minds in the Invincible universe to work together alongside the aid of a traitor Viltrumite who provided them with his own DNA as well as detailed information about Viltrumite physiology, but they managed to pull it out. They sick-sick fruit doesn’t need to go through all that research it’s user can make any illness with any effect that he wants out of thin air just like that. With it you can make a scourge virus 2.0 and with the help of Vegapunk spread it through the entirety of the world’s atmosphere. Boom 💥, problem solved. O MY GOD this comment is so fucking long and looks so fucking boring that I feel like I no one is going to reach this point I just wasted my energy on this, I could have used evening for something better like studying or doing chores or anything. Anyways if you’re actually reading this shit that I just wrote I’m 1000% sure that you are not the most productive member of society.

[@FUMI-i9x]

first of all didn't and second of all f you and you actually try to explain it there's a way and alot of it is mostly the elemtal fruit and haki and Luffy can probably do it no diff.

[@FUMI-i9x]

hehe it's actually informational but yeah yonko is stronger if not equal to a marine so yeah viltrumites travel speed is more than light speed battle speed though is only hyper sonic which is lesser than light...

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

I love how the segment about destroying planets and all COMPLETELY IGNORED Vegeta's own statement of turning Earth to spacedust if Goku didn't stop him 💀

[@rougarabid]

Umm…I literally did address it…

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

@@rougarabid No... You addressed the power level thing (Toriyama only discarded them due to how fighters can multiply it, suppress it, and spoils who'll win in a 1v1 battle) and the filler cutscenes about Vegeta destroying a planet, Cell's statement of destroying a Solar-System, and Frieza being the only person to destroy an actual planet in canon. You NEVER spoke on Vegeta being able to destroy Earth. Unlike Cell, who let his newfound power get to his head, Vegeta was extremely enraged and exhausted after just losing his Oozaru form, so it doesn't make sense for him to say this just for ego, but a genuine threat.

[@rougarabid]

No I spoke on villains in Dragonball stating falsities about their own power levels constantly. I used Frieza claiming he was the strongest in the universe despite knowing of Buu, Beerus and Whis as an example. Another example would be Vegeta saying he reached Super Saiyan before fighting Frieza even though he didn’t. These characters are constantly overestimating their own power and making false claims about it. I shouldn’t have to name each individual example. I trust the viewer to listen, use their brain and not give bad Faith arguments.

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

@@rougarabid Frieza's statement about being the strongest in the universe ARE true because the Buu and Beerus statements are *RETCONS.* Why do you think GT, a series meant to take place LONG after Super, has NO mention of Beerus? Simple; because Beerus WASN'T EVEN A CONCEPT. You're looking at all this in retrospect, not in the moment. Frieza had no knowledge of either Buu or Beerus during the Namek Saga, Vegeta didn't even know that the Super Saiyan was a transformation, and power levels were only dismissed after the Android Saga began, NOT the Namek Saga (Where 10k PL was stated to be enough to destroy a planet). Vegeta only overestimates himself when he gets power-ups and can't sense the energy of his enemy. Frieza "overestimates" himself when there's no one to his knowledge that can oppose him. I'm not arguing in Bad Faith, but your points should take into account the situations of the characters you're talking about juuuuust a bit more seriously.

[@rythianlonghammer5263]

@@rougarabid Buu, Beerus, and Whis are all non-mortals, though. At that point in time, Frieza was the strongest mortal, Buu was sealed away/dead, and Lord Beerus was asleep, with Whis, as Beerus's attendant, never leaving the God of Destruction's side. The fact that Frieza can destroy a planet 10 times the size of Earth, which both Namek and Planet Vegeta are, without needing his full power to do it, means that any characters in Dragon Ball Z who are stronger than him are fully capable of the same feat. Vegeta said he was a Super Saiyan before he fought Frieza because he didn't actually know what the requirements were to become one. That's not him stating a falsity about his power level, that's him not knowing he wasn't a Super Saiyan. Notice that, before Goku turns into one, Vegeta tells Frieza that Goku is a Super Saiyan. While he wasn't wrong in the end, that doesn't change the fact that Vegeta didn't know it wasn't a level of strength, but a transformation. Your entire channel is based on bad faith arguments, nerfing characters into the ground, and buffing the characters you make it obvious you like more way beyond what they're actually capable of, so I don't know why you suddenly have something against bad faith arguments.

[@MrDj232]

I could see the Namekians surviving by just accepting the Viltrumites. They're not fighters and they don't have a reason to oppose being in the empire. Frieza started killing indiscriminately the moment he arrived on the planet so he was an evil that required fighting.

[@rougarabid]

You really think they’d be okay with complete subjugation? Didn’t think of that one but maybe.

[@rythianlonghammer5263]

It's a non-issue, though. Nail is strong enough on his own to make the Viltrumites go extinct.

[@BigSenpai-b8u]

Sadly, dragon ball daima contradicts your statement

[@ecchixavier8655]

Half the stuff said about the one piece verse is untrue and one piece verse working together gas enough hax to be able to fight back against the the army. Especially with recent chapters

ESPECIALLY!!

[@onyx6774]

avarage Namekians have around 1.000 power level (Because frieza stated that his soldiers can deal with them and his soldiers have around 1.000. So an avarege Namekian is above Classic DB. Making them at worst Moon level to Planetary if i use calcs Planetary+ to Large Planetary. Fighting types namekians have 10K power level. and characters with 10K power level can destroy three planets by simply moving their hands. At worst Mult-Planetary, using calcs Dwarf Star level.

[@chrisn699]

Bro. The southern accent being sassy about manga meaning comic is one of the best things ever. Your videos are so entertaining.

[@DarthNox66]

Ok, I don't want to do this. But you are so wrong about Namekians. Acording to guide books, it takes power level of 10 000 to blow up planet. Nail has power level of 42 000 which already scale him higher then any viltrumite in all lore.

[@rougarabid]

Toriyama hasn’t looked at a single guide book and has 0 involvement in them. They are filled with information that conflicts with the series but I’ll give you credit you’re the first person not to say Toriyama said that 10,000 can blow up a planet which is just straight up untrue.

[@DarthNox66]

@@rougarabid It really dos not matter if Toriyama looked on them or not. They are part of the canon, and if he found them untrue in any way, he would just make them non canon like with GT

[@haki6177]

@@rougarabidyou’re genuinely an ignorant idiot

[@rythianlonghammer5263]

@@DarthNox66Just ignore the dancing, retarded monkey, dude. Rouga can't scale for shit and is always going to downplay things so the character he likes more will win.

[@mufasa5288]

@@rougarabidtoriyama literally said the daizenshou was more accurate then him as his editors would forget thing he added in the story so yeah the statment is pretty valid

[@blyatman9726]

"Wow look at all the piccoloes"

[@ibannash]

24:44 Theres only 40-50 viltrumites. Im not gonna say why for spoiler reasons, but there are not thousands.

[@WarpVorteX]

so nail can beat them all

[@rythianlonghammer5263]

@@WarpVorteX With one hand, yes.

[@Hinokami-kagura527]

​@@rythianlonghammer5263 nope gets slaughtered easily

[@Hinokami-kagura527]

​@@WarpVorteX no sir he gets wrecked easily start coping

[@rythianlonghammer5263]

@@Hinokami-kagura527 Piccolo, with a power level of 300, threw a normal ki blast with one hand that vaporized the moon. Nail has a power level of 42,000. There's this thing Rouga, and you apparently, are deathly allergic to called extrapolating data. If one character does some power based feat, and a character with similar powers is directly stated to be stronger than that character, the stronger character is also capable of that feat of power. Not to mention the fact that all of the official guidebooks for Dragon Ball state that the minimum power level required in order to destroy any planet is 10,000. No character in Invincible at any point single-handedly destroys a planet. The one time it happens, it was three of the strongest Viltrumites flying through the core of a planet after it had a hole shot through it, which had to be perfectly timed or they would have just died, leaving the planet intact.

[@815nights]

Rouga there hasn’t been ONE singular time that a character with a slower power level has defeated someone with a higher power level like ever

[@rougarabid]

Raditz and Vegeta…

[@815nights]

@@rougarabid both of those losses came after their power levels were reduced the special beam cannon literally raised piccolo's power level and Gohans power level got higher than raditz's when he hit him Goku's Kaioken times 4 raised his power level higher than vegeta and once again when gohan landed on vegeta his power level was higher than that weakened vegeta.......

[@rougarabid]

@ Vegeta great ape had a power level of 180,000. No Goku didn’t pass it up.

[@815nights]

@ they never defeated him as a great ape they weakened him that’s my whole point any time anyone has actually ever won in DBZ someone’s power level dropped or someone’s power level raised.

[@rougarabid]

@ Them depowering him is defeating him. What do you think defeat looks like? They literally cut off a limb and defeated that form of him. It’s not like they just waited for the form to run out. They beat it.

[@rythianlonghammer5263]

Nail causes the Viltrumites to go extinct just by himself, so Namek clears, Sakaar clears because of Hulk, Beta Ray Bill, and Silver Surfer, not to mention the characters that somewhat scale to Hulk like his wife and his son Skaar, and Top Cow obviously clears just because of Wytchblade, not even bringing in Johnny Estacado.

[@ZAXT0N]

A fun scenario with the one piece world. Similar to caribou with having the stronger people throw viltrimites into his swamp, they could do that with the toy girl and it would be way stronger because of the added “everyone forgets you exist” when you turn into a toy. So in the early phase of the invasion they could forget they ever sent someone to the one piece world, which I’m now realizing isn’t great because they’d just keep sending annother, so like I guess best case scenario one by one they could keep vanishing being forgotten about

[@rellysweetheart5647]

Gaick gun was stated to destroy the planet and invincible characters can’t destroy planet . Nail way higher than Vegeta in the sayin saga

[@rougarabid]

I addressed this in the video.

[@SeriouslyWhofarted]

@@rougarabidvegetas dad was shown to blow up three planets and Vegeta was stronger than his dad and that’s a literal feat and if that was the saiyan saga nail was very much stronger than that saying they aren’t planet busting is very misleading for some of the feats There would be no reason for them to blow up the planet. The only time they blew up the moon was because these fuckers were transforming. That’s a literal feat I honestly don’t think blowing up a planet. Is that big a deal for them it’ll be more like why

[@deathrhino9256]

I just did my research. The data books were made by toriyama's own studio and asked him for help every now and then. He even said himself that he wished the guides were around sooner since he tends to forget things. While isn't perfect, it is official and approved by toriyama.

[@rougarabid]

Do more research. Shuisha published his guidebooks. Bird Studio, his company, had nothing to do with them. He never involved himself in their creation at all, his editor advised on them but no one involved with the manga wrote them. They are INSANELY wrong. They say things like DB Universe is 4 galaxies, Kais only live 75,000 years, Gohan got stronger after the Cell games, Gohan defeated Dabura using SSJ2 and so much more. No one who has actually read them would ever say they could be canon. There’s more wrong information than right and the stuff that’s wrong isn’t even really niche information. It’s stuff anyone who read them would manga would know.

[@deathrhino9256]

@rougarabid My bad . I misread the fact that caramel mama worked with toriyama and Bird Studio. Ya caramel mama is the one who made the og and published by shuiesha.

[@boxlions2073]

4:21 no. These companies need to retire this hairstyle. It’s boring. They try to be “diverse” but end up doing the exact opposite

[@DREAD42069]

It all started with killmonger

[@boxlions2073]

@ exactly

[@blacksheep6415]

The viltrumites only had 16-20 full bloods since most of them were already wiped out from the bio weapon that was used against them. The new vulturmite empire with thragg and his kids was maybe a hundred thousand halfbreeds who weren’t even a fraction of a full bloods power.

[@josephsong9373]

As a one-piece fan, its time to cope: 1. Ryo is a pretty good answer to viltrumites since we know that their durability is mainly outside from Robot 2. Conquerers could still be willpower-based, since we know people with really high willpower (ex. sanji) doesn't have conq, but can tank such attacks by having a respectable amount of willpower. This would explain why someone like kid, who is relative to people like sanji, has conquer's 3. Apoo (Just thought it was funni)

[@benchadwick4917]

Thank you bro. I'm not bothered if they win or not but why didn't he talk about ryou? It's literally dura neg.

Sugar 2

[@tyler5013]

Another possible win-con for the Namekians is if they all fused like we saw in Super but they would still need to recognize the scale of the threat early enough that they could convince their people to fuse before their strongest fighters all get wiped out. Also we don't even know how many live on that planet compared to the entire race used for fusion in Super; would one planet worth of Namekians even be enough to allow the remaining one to solo them all?

[@rythianlonghammer5263]

Nail can wipe out the Viltrumites by himself.

[@Hinokami-kagura527]

​@@rythianlonghammer5263 no he can't!! He's not powerful you are exactly the type of people he was talking about

[@rythianlonghammer5263]

@@Hinokami-kagura527 Yes he can. Unlike you and Rouga, I can use these magical things called "extrapolation" and "context clues". Vegeta vaporizes a planet during the Saiyan Saga, and he has a power level of 18,000 at the time. Nail has a power level of 42,000 during the Namek Saga. That means Nail is twice as strong as a guy who could single-handedly destroy a planet. No one in Invincible ever, at any point, destroys a planet by themselves. Hell, the one planet busting feat in Invincible gets less and less impressive the more you look at it, because not only did it take three of the strongest Viltrumites to do it, there were originally supposed to be two other people at their level helping them, they needed someone to shoot a hole through the core of the planet first to even try, they needed to time it perfectly or they would have just smacked into the planet and died, and all they did was break the planet apart into chunks. Vegeta, meanwhile, *VAPORIZED A PLANET*, and Nail is twice as strong as Vegeta was when he did it.

[@Hinokami-kagura527]

@rythianlonghammer5263 I swear when it comes down to you DragonBall fantards if a 🪳 has a power level of 10,000 or over you'll say it's a planet buster despite the fact it's durability won't get it past shoe level. OK first that planet destroying feat the only thing people like you keep bringing up to try and prove that viltrumites are weak even though we have other high-end feats like omnipotus who can ezorb all of the energy of a universe and can cause a chain reaction that can destroy a solar system to a galaxy it took all of the heroes on earth to try and defeat him they failed but dinosaur man killed him by bitting his head off the same dinosaur man who tried to bite off Thraggs head but he shattered his teeth on his skull. Universa who has a weapon that can destroy the planet. Tech jacket who can throw war ships to the sun. Secondly you was the main one that kept bringing up that namekians can fuse their body together and become one. Then answer me this please how come they didn't do this when freiza came to their planet and asked for the DragonBalls and before you say OH! it's forbidden trust me when your planet and entire species survival is at stake forbidden rules/laws be damned. If nail is so powerful like you claimed then he should be fighting both vegeta and freiza remember what rouge said having a higher power level doesn't mean your necessarily stronger perfect example goku with kaiokin time 1-3 vageta was still stronger teenage Gohan with an even weaker powerlevel then his dad was stronger then perfect cell who can destroy a solar system LOL!! 🤣🤣 extrapolate all you want the numbers mean nothing don't play me for a fool because i see right through this BULL namekians aren't even fighters their pacifist actually piccolo and nail being the aseption

[@Hinokami-kagura527]

@rythianlonghammer5263 OH MY !!! Another irrelevant DragonBall side character that fanboys like you overhyped when they had no impact on the story what so ever so let me get this straight nail has a power level of 42,000 while vageta had a power level of 18,000 then tell me this how come he wasn't the one sent to earth to defeat vageta, nappa, and raditz why did goku had to waste his time learning kaioken 1-3 from king Kai to defeat vageta where was this guy when freiza pulled up on planet namek and just took the DragonBalls with no difficulty you can extrapolate all you want the numbers mean nothing and like always when people want to disrespect invincible they always bring up that same planetary feat even though their are plenty of characters that has planetary level of power that mark Grayson scale above when he becomes the viltrumite emperor characters like omnipotus, knull, universa, and tech jacket. Omniman, Mark, conquest, and Thragg would put their foot up in this loser there to fast to powerful and to strong for him are anyone in the saiyan saga

[@dragonturtle2703]

There would be some that are fairly potent. Like, if nothing else, pretty sure Boa Hancock can ignore durability. Just either need to not have feelings for her or high enough willpower.

[@rythianlonghammer5263]

It's not even having feelings for her, it's having any amount of attraction to her. The reason it doesn't work on Luffy is because, while his willpower is insane, he just wasn't attracted to Boa.

[@BlaxkSun]

4:28 so the thing about the hair, Killmonger came out in black panther then all these games were being developed after that but by the time came out the trend was dead. Now everyone getting their character out with said hair style

[@netherwalker1762]

Brother is malding over DBZ fans, just wait till he gets to Jujitsu-Kaisen zealots.

[@TheDwarvenHeart]

Nail and Hulk are carrying, reason why I don’t say luffy be a it is hard to scale gear 5.

[@waterscorpion6998]

OH YEAH BABY WE ARE SO BACK. chefs kiss, thank you for the content father Rouga

[@hardwyn2electricboogaloo904]

In invincible, it’s been stated that there are few Viltrumites left, that’s why they only send one to each planet

[@ashtongiertz8728]

34:17 that's odd, i remember reading Invincible and a plot point during the Viltramite war arc was that Viltramites were a dying species, and that's why they needed Earth because humans are the only species fully compatible with Viltramite DNA.

[@pyromaniak2736]

Lol on the note of toryama saying power levels don't matter ....ahem.....then he shouod have written the story that. It ultimately does boil down to bigger numbers every time after raditz.

[@rougarabid]

Nope. Vegeta vs Goku had a similar outcome.

[@Paur]

​@@rougarabidGoku was only able to beat on Vegeta because he had a way to... make his powerlevel bigger than his opponent. The only reason Gohan was able to fight Vegeta later was because of the beating Goku put on him and making that moon ball. There is NO instance of a weaker attack outside of maybe destructo disk, that an enemy was beaten by a weaker attack or person. Also chapter and verse for where Toriyama said powerlevels don't matter or were a joke and hated them. Death Battle said the same, and it was made up.

[@blacksheep6415]

Conqueror’s haki is will base but it isn’t as simple as I have more will than you so I win. It’s like using the force to mind trick people if you have a weak will you get knocked out but if you have a strong one you can resist it. The effect is still there it just won’t knock you out only make you feel sleepy or nauseous.

[@nicholasaugello2534]

I thought it only worked on people who weren't even worth fighting

[@blacksheep6415]

@ no it works on everyone it just primary used against fodder characters. Ussop is physically weak even compared to regular pirates but he has a strong willpower he can resist it. If it only work based on if someone was worth fighting he would be unconscious whenever a character used CONQ Haki especially luffy.

[@thekingofbeast5241]

Nah and people who have advanced conq multiplys the damage so you hit people without even touching them ​@nicholasaugello2534

[@herolumierelumanite1608]

4:49 It's a hairstyle that worked for one person, and everyone else it pisses us off by a large margin

[@Witehand]

Ngl the second half of the explaining for the video good video but the second half is were power scaling and nuance comes into play no 1 viltramite can bust a planet it took 3 in there prime while a stabilizing beam hit the planet multiple of the other characters have relative or higher ap then the viltramites but the context is left out

[@dunstik8842]

Man, I'm about to fit the stereotype exactly here but the Namekians are doing far better then what you're saying. Power levels are the absolute most consistent thing in Dragon Ball because every time the stronger person wins fights regardless of tactics and so on. Take Jeice and Burter vs Goku for example. Perfect teamwork and technique and jumping, lost to somebody slightly stronger then them with absolute ease. The power level needed to destroy a planet is stated and Nail exceeds the power needed to do that, by over 4x that amount. Now the average Namekian is probably at best a couple hundred, average warrior is maybe a thousand or two. So the Vilitrumites are dealing with people on their power on their lower tiers in much bigger numbers and on the high end would probably solo their army. What you're saying about them and anybody before Frieza lacking planetary feats I can say the same thing about Cell and say he's not solar system level because he's never seen doing that even though it's nearly universally agreed on that he can do that. Lacking feats but having guidebook statements is very common in Dragon Ball.

[@bamboozle_mcdoozle1231]

I mean, it took 3 Viltrumites a couple of days to destroy the planet by flying through it. There are characters in DBZ who can destroy a planet in minutes, single handedly.

[@sansmemelord369]

Fusion did happen during the Namek saga with Picolo and Nail. The reason to why Namekians didn’t do it earlier was because it was forbidden, AKA (I don’t think Toriyama had the idea created at the time) Though I do agree that most Namekians (warriors or less) would stall or get stomp by the Viltrumites, since even though they have pretty high power levels that go into the thousands range, which equates to greater than moon busting. It wouldn’t matter as most of that power potential we’ve seen is concentrated into high power Ki attacks that I do not think the Namekians would be given time to charge, since the Viltrumites would probably just rush them. Though I do believe Nail has the potential to take out Viltrumites, but I do not believe he could take on dozens at once, and especially if we include the top Viltrumites. Mostly because we didn’t see enough feats from Nail to really say he could. Also we didn’t learn much about what middle ranged power levels could do in DBZ since they got scraped really quickly. In total I believe they could hold their own for long enough to maybe stall for like a couple of days to maybe a week (a lot due to considering their really scattered) But it would only matter if they fused, which they can but just don’t for some reason, or get the dragon balls. Which you had mentioned. I do believe they stand a better chance than what you said in the video, but only by a bit, as I believe they have 2 ways to overcoming the Viltrumites, which isn’t really much more.

[@stevenmarecle5502]

Lol someone who understands ki in dragon ball scaling. Finally

[@sansmemelord369]

@@stevenmarecle5502 lol

[@JoshuaEFinley]

The spikes are actually peaceful though. The viltrumites would be one of the best possible hosts for them. They'd infect the viltrumites then fly off into space.

[@kharijordan6426]

So..the three people planet feet...the planet had to be destabilized first for them to destroy it... otherwise all three would have died trying.

[@generalhaunter3150]

Just started the video but I know this is about to be a banger video

[@GOLOY685]

Did not expect the darkness to get on here

[@HadeTheReal]

Saiyan saga Vegeta is planetary as he was confident that His galick gun would turn the planet to space dust and Goku took this seriously and I have no reason to believe this is false. In the Saiyan saga Vegeta's power level was at 18'000 with the galick gun powering him to around 24k now Nail's power level is around 42'000 so over double saiyan saga Vegeta's . Nail would decimate the strongest Viltrumites

[@rougarabid]

I have no reason to believe it’s true. Villains in DBZ lie a lot and overestimate their own power like Frieza saying he was the strongest in the universe. Hell even Vegeta claimed he was super Saiyan before his fight with Frieza which was completely untrue.

[@nicksnacks]

​@@rougarabidVegeta mistakenly felt that with the zenkai boost he set himself up to get (remember he purposely got f'ed up to nearly dying because he thought it would be enough to top Frieza) so it's not that he lied at all he just misunderstood what went into becoming a super Saiyan

[@deadpoolwade-de7jm]

@@rougarabid bro im just going to ask are you stupid becuase goku himself new that the blast would destroy earth, and if it wasnt why would goku not move out the way when vegeta set off the blast and he could sense how much power was in that thing, so shouldent have goku not taken the blast seriously your arguments fall short in so many ways just dont ever scale again.

​@@rougarabidwhy would vegeta lie!!! That makes no sense

[@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677]

Definitely need more of this. Mars (Terra Formars), Cybertron, the list is endless

[@jakebailey5834]

Mark,Omniman and Thaedus had to hit a specific spot on Planet Viltum or they would die and they help from Space Racer with his Gun to make The Core of The Planet unstable for Mark,Nolan and Thaedus to even try to destroy The Planet. Letting you know Rouga have a great day.

[@Nutshellbound]

I feel like a lot of these end up with no planet and possibly a lot less Viltrumites.

[@5h470wk1t3]

Not to sound like a die hard dragon ball wanker here, but if you're going to give the "we dying anyway may as well try" to red hulk, then the same should apply to the taboo of Namekian fusion. While "power levels" have never been a super reliable measuring stick in universe, namekian perception of "energy" has been shown to be more reliable on a per person basis. While this ability won't help them on its own, this ability to sense the incoming threat (see Guru sensing the arrival of the ginyu force) could theoretically put them enough on edge to be willing to forgo that taboo restriction on fusing. Nail fused with Piccolo for example and went from someone roughly saiyan saga Vegeta power to strong enough to bully second form freeza seemingly with little stress. In the DBS manga during the moro arc all the namekian warriors fused into one being and post Tournament of Power Goku and Vegeta seemed impressed by the power they were generating on the way there (not their fault Moro was just that beoken). The dragon balls could then be used to split the fusion back up, as it did with kibitokai later on (pre daima retcon). Do I think it would be enough to win? Dunno, but it's something to consider that many forget is in the namekian's metaphorical pocket

[@UnOc2]

There is definitely some misunderstanding about the One Piece verse. A lot of the high tiers are at least multi-continent busters, and have faster than light reaction speed. Additionally, Armament Haki and Conqueror's Haki at a high level grants users the ability to damage internal organs, which is incredibly useful. Obviously, if you buy large planet level + MFTL Viltrumites, they would still probably conqueror the One Piece world, but if you don't, the One Piece verse is too haxed. Oh, and Akainu may have been stated to have the best offensive Devil Fruit, but that doesn't mean all that much - characters can survive lava and other such things with a high enough level of Haki.

[@rougarabid]

You are welcome to come to a stream and debate the topic with me live.

[@nicksnacks]

​@@rougarabidso your misinfo is just bait to draw people to your boring a** streams

[@nuggetgod2618]

I think its kind of debatable, one piece top tiers are consistently multi-continental but most viltrumites are either around that tier with way better speed and theres highball arguments for average viltrumites to be around moon-small planetary, which in that case they just easily speedblitz and one shot all of the top tiers. i do think if you use the most inconsistent highballs for both verses its way closer though and could go either way.

Theirs is no viltrimites that is planetary level bro not a single one it took 3 of them to fly thru a dying one that was already destroyed 😂😂 and a guy had to shoot it with a planet buster laser gun to shoot it 1st

[@GOLOY685]

Thaaaank you someone had to say it

[@bigpapapalpatine8588]

I somewhat disagree on the Namekian segment. You left out Namekian fusion. While it's forbidden, it's still an option, especially if they're on the verge of extinction. While we don't know how much stronger it makes them, we do know that Piccolo went from barely being able to survive Nappa, to being able to go toe-to-to with Frieza in his second form. A form much stronger than his first where he effortlessly vaporized planet Vegeta. And Nail was pretty much dying when they fused, so he was not at full strength, if that even matters in Namekian fusion. So if Nail, or hell, even other Namekians decide to fuse into a group, or even all into one person, I dont think even the strongest Viltrumites would stand a chance. But that also lowers their numbers, so the Viltrumites still outnumber them. And this is just a side thing, but you mentioned power levels don't matter, and while I agree, they did mean something until we got to 6 digits and above. It has been stated in guides that a power level of 10,000 is needed to destroy a planet the size of Earth. Vegeta had a power level of 18,000 when he came to Earth. And Nail had a power level of 42,000. We don't see them destroy any planets except for filler, but going by their stated power levels they can at least destroy small to maybe medium sized planetoids.

[@MrDj232]

Those guidebooks were made after the anime and include filler. Final form Frieza struggled to destroy Namek. There's no reason to believe any character weaker than Frieza can bust planets.

[@bigpapapalpatine8588]

Except he didn't struggle. He was already exerting himself fighting Goku and just didn't use enough power. At least that's my thoughts. Toriyama himself said those guides and daizenshuus are correct. And even if we disregard them not being planet busters, the Namekians can still use fusion. That was my main argument. Weather they would pull out a win or not, I actually don't know. Fusing into several strong fighters, or just all into one would skyrocket them in power, but in contrast limit their numbers, like I said before. Either a handful of Super Namekians or just one, the Viltrumites still have the numbers advantage and could just throw enough at them until they get tired. That is, if the Viltrumites don't splitter against them like they do in their own verse when they fight someone stronger than they are.

​@@MrDj232how did he struggle didn't wasn't goku in the way

[@ocypherusgaming7930]

The one piece planet and moons share an atmosphere. The tontata go to the moon using balloons so the atmosphere is also decently dense.

[@blacksheep6415]

In regards to whitebeards strength I’m pretty sure they mean he could destroy the entire world with 1 attack that’s usually how mangaka’s describe characters strength with phrases like “The power to crush or destroy the entire world”. It’s sounds broad but it just means their strongest attack can do X amount of damage but I only think this applies to whitebeard in his prime since when he’s a old man he’s significantly weaker and slower.

[@awesomestcube5932]

How is Witchblade going to Invincible and almost losing not canon, but then immediately afterward, you talk about how she soloed the JL in a crossover that also wasn't canon?

[@rougarabid]

Because the JLA crossover was canon to Witchblade’s story. She literally talks about it in her comic and it continues a story arc that began in her comic and ended in the crossover. The invincible crossover doesn’t fit anywhere in Witchblade’s story.

[@awesomestcube5932]

Oh okay. I just know that Marvel and DC usually say crossovers are non-canon. At least on their end it is.

[@br3ndan538]

@@rougarabidWhen does she talk about it in her comic? I’m up to issue 61 and the only crossovers I remember being referenced as canon are Devil’s Reign from Marvel and the Endgame arc with Tomb Raider. And which story arc was the JLA crossover meant to conclude?

[@killlakill3608]

My head hurts

[@Protectorofchi11i]

Another peak survival challenge

[@iriav2]

He has a personal grudge against DBZ or something. He talked a lot about it and missed key information while being wrong about several other things. That one was a bad miss and I don't even think its impossible for the Viltrumites to win.

[@rougarabid]

That’s a disagreement not an argument.

[@MrDj232]

Nah, power scalers just make up insane bs and he ignores power scalers.

[@cuddlypoetatoe5589]

bro talking about science with rocks and metals but not accounting for when piccolo disintegrated the moon calculated to be planetary, or when vegeta in the manga directly stated to having the power to blow up earth

[@jaredklapp2552]

Whole i think power levels are greatly over exaggerated in dbz i believe at the least nail the strongest namekian living on the planet is planetary bardock who is stated to be the most comparable sayian fighter to King Vegeta (who is capable of destroying 3 planets in one attack) was weaker than first form freza so if say nail who was also capable of fighting a first form Frieza after fusing with piccolo so either piccolo was more than 3x stronger than nail or nail was at least capable of destroying a single planet not necessarily namek since that one is started to be above average in size but I'm sure he could destroy a zenus - mars sized planet (this isn't mentioning that viltrumites are only capable of destroying planets with the help of space racer who isn't a viltrumite)

[@blacksheep6415]

Original form piccolo was born on namek was called to be the strongest the most being in the universe but it was in the anime.

[@vapor-shadow2815]

Hey i just wanted to say thank you for posting these videos. Im a super autistic nerd who actually likes writing fan fiction storys like the versus matchups you mention so thank you for giving me some inspiration for story ideas. Youre hilarious and do a great job at making unique story lines that arent too imbalanced and dont just do generic powerscaling like a bunch of comic and anime nerds do.

[@WitchFisterVeo1911]

I'm guessing you're referring to the Viltrumite army that Thragg made from the bug planet? Because there's less than a hundred viltrumites before Thragg finds the bug people planet and makes a lotta of babies.

[@aldenfalor4454]

they could technically absorb each other like the ones in super did to be strong enough to fight them also lol.

[@JoshuaEFinley]

Now here's the thing about One Piece. The Viltrumites would love the anime bitches. They wouldn't blow up the planet. Most of the people would roll over. The navy and the emperors would likely be working for them in no time. Only the most stubborn would have to die. Depending on how bad the pirates are they may even let them continue piracy as some crazy eugenics program.

[@rythianlonghammer5263]

The sheer mass of a One Piece woman's gravity defying shoulder boulders would halt the Viltrumites' invasion in it's tracks.

Viltrimite can't destroy a planet they only did once and it was a dying planet a spacer shot it with his planet buster Lazer gun to destabilize it and it took 3 of them like com bro ignores it and acts like they all can do it

[@Aros-pr2xr]

It has been stated in the guide books that Dragonball characters above a power level of 9,000 can blow up a planet in absolute; king vegeta was within that ballpark 10,000 roughly and Vegeta in the the saiyan saga has a base power level of 15,000, then Nail has a power level in and if I remember right possibly above 200,000 but Frieza dominated him with a base power of 500,000

[@Aros-pr2xr]

And in case of an argument about King Vegeta father of Prince Vegeta not being strong enough to destroy a planet based on the OFFICIAL guide books the man hand waved away 3 planets simultaneously (admittedly in filler)

[@rougarabid]

3 planet destruction is anime filler not canon and the guidebooks aren’t written by Toriyama and also not canon. They even conflict with the manga in several places.

[@radioraheem9820]

Nail had a power level of 42,000

[@deadpoolwade-de7jm]

@@rougarabid the author stated himself that it is cannon so dont even try to disprove when the author him self said the filler is canon to dragonball

[@nisansparow3390]

I already know that there have been people explaining did the distabilization planet situation that those 3 viltramites did... So instead of just calling that out I'm just going to ask, how's your day?

[@rougarabid]

Pretty damn decent, thanks for asking. Yours’?

[@nisansparow3390]

@rougarabid great, I got dog shampoo!

[@HadeTheReal]

Ngl Nail would body the Viltrumites

[@Hinokami-kagura527]

He wouldn't

[@azurewraith2585]

I like that people are using the mass fusion argument when the namekians didn’t even use that when they were being wiped out by frieza.

[@Hinokami-kagura527]

DragonBall fans like to find some type of excuse on when their characters get oneshotted

Are you saying viltrimites are as strong as frieza🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

​@Hinokami-kagura527 ill ask u 2 are u saying viltrimites are as strong as 1st form frieza!????🤨🤨a guy who by himself that can destroy a planet with a finger vs guys who cant do any thing like that

[@iriav2]

How many Viltrumites did you start out saying invaded? You were kind of chaning the numbers based on the verse amd there arent that mnay Viltrumites available

[@rougarabid]

Depends on the time period they invade. At one point they spanned the galaxy. During the invincible series there were like 50 I think. The empire was mostly dead by that point.

[@graljoffrewithoutanarmy860]

Planet Viltrum has a ring, made of dead viltrumites after the Scourge virus, I remember somewhere reading how it would take hundreds of billions of bodies (possibly a trillion+) to make a ring that's visible around a planet in space, said plante's also bigger than Earth.

[@dreamgodd9503]

I'm here for the namekians versus the vulture mites😂😂

[@hexstar4789]

I respect you calling it a cartoon just to annoy us

[@br3ndan538]

Glad to see someone finally talk about Top Cow, but I have a few complaints. 1. The JLA crossover happened early on in the series, not near the end of it. And who’s to say this isn’t like Sara’s appearance in Invincible where it’s Top Cow’s version of the League who wouldn’t be as strong as their canon selves? 2. Sara never fought the League at all while asleep. Wonder Woman fought them near the end, and she didn’t fight two Green Lanterns, just Kyle Rayner. 3. I think you might be misremembering those claims. Lex didn’t say Sara was stronger than Wonder Woman with the Witchblade. He said it would be easier to take from Wonder Woman because she didn’t have Sara’s experience. The Witchblade being called the most powerful weapon in the universe was the blade boasting about itself while using Wonder Woman as a meat puppet. 4. Do you mind elaborating on what intense shit Sara can do with the Witchblade?

[@dragonturtle2703]

To be fair, even if you can’t burn the viltramite to death, you could burn the spikes. Might need to really douse them in fire to get anything imbedded in, but still. Just a matter of what you can do to the remaining Viltramites, even if it’s just one because you keep only freeing some.

[@agiammarco94]

To add on for Sakaar there was a point in time where the silver surfer was under control so that could help them a bit….though I think under control he was weaker than typical.

[@rougarabid]

He was. He was a slave and stripped of the power cosmic completely.

[@rougarabid]

He was. He was a slave and stripped of the power cosmic completely.

[@rainsagex]

Unfiltered and I love it

[@seanwilkinson7431]

You forgot Namekian Fusion. In Super, it takes Piccolo and Gohan (who are both stronger than Buu at that point) to barely surpass two U6 Namekians who assimilated every other Namekian in their Universe. If they abandoned their no Fusion law to save Namek, Nail with the power of his entire planet (and given the opportunity, Namekians on other planets) might stand a chance.

[@captainhostile101]

Namekians can fuse, and it doesnt take them that long. If Nail fuses will all of the Warrior clan, or even Dragon clan, he should be able to either hold off the Viltrumites until the wish is made, or he would kill them all. But we cannot possibly know that.

[@darkreflection9087]

Would these Villains (Sonic) Dr Eggman (Megaman) Dr Wily (Mario) Bowser (Ratchet & Clank) Dr Nefarious (Crash Bandicoot) Doctor Neo Cortex (Jak and Daxter) Gol Acheron Survive Skylanders

[@famsyrk8839]

Rouga!! I love this shit.

[@namememe9148]

I demand a world that dogs doom

[@goofyd3rp369]

Ok for those whomst check power, in dragon ball canon, you need a minimum power level of at least 10,000 to destroy the planet, he average WARRIOR namekian (the stronger type) has a power level of 3,000, now of course Nail has a power level of 40,000, and piccolo before fusing with Nail was 160,000, but both are outliers and they didn’t even beat Frieza after fusing, the only ONLY way they could have won is if they used the namekian dragon balls to unleash the potential of ALL namekians.

[@kyle666man]

Namek’s intro 😂 But also, it’s basically just Nail vs the invading army lol.

[@hairyberries1490]

Been exited for this one

[@ickyvickyeww]

Nails at 42K power level, and Toriyama has stated you only need 10K to blow up a planet, which makes sense cause you only need roughly 100 to blow up a moon. Also the namekians powers are magic between Granola Arc of Super and Dinma it gives a lot more info on their origins and how they make dragon balls.

[@rougarabid]

Not it’s not. That’s a myth made by fans. Toriyama famously hated power levels and constantly made jokes about how they are worthless. “While there's no exact quote from Toriyama stating "10,000 power level destroys a planet," the power scaling in the series suggests that a power level in this range could be capable of such a feat.” This is the best power scalers got.

[@nicholasaugello2534]

Even if it's not Nail scales way above Saiyan saga Vegeta with power level of 18k could blow the earth up and even in filler could casually blow up planets like their nothing​@@rougarabid

[@MrDj232]

​@@nicholasaugello2534 Vegeta was bluffing. Even Frieza struggled to destroy planets in his final form.

[@nicholasaugello2534]

@@MrDj232 that's because Frezia actually underestimated a planet that had 3 suns orbiting it and didn't think he he needed as much energy to destroy Namek and why would Vegeta bluff when Goku could tell by his energy that he had the energy to bust the whole thing

[@jakilee6163]

​@MrDj232 freiza destroyed planet vegeta, which is star level lmaoo in his base form

[@alextheassassin6918]

Person, where from I looked at the one piece section I think he gave one piece a little much credit as it should have. They have many ways to attack people who are stronger simply as Fishman karate can attack internal damage, and they can attack the inner organs going back to be away for them to overpower them. Or we have someone with gear5, who has slight reality/toon force that could easily throw them to the sun. You have characters that can easily nullify some attacks. Were the barrier barrier fruit. As you say there’s a lot of abilities that you easily dismantle the vulture might know physically start wise I see where you are coming from, but I feel like the Hawks and the strategy and the overall ability of one piece in general if they work as a collective you and that they could easily disarm the vault right army I apologise for the bad spelling I’m not really good at it so forget me

[@hugohickman7694]

bro where do you think that the internal organs of viltrimites are weak?????????? literaly the blood is stronger than every thing on earth.Conqueror haki atack also atack internaly but the potency is not able. Gear 5 have a time limit

[@alextheassassin6918]

@ you’re absolutely right. It does have a time limit but in that time limit you can do a lot of crazy things, more than enough time to do whatever he wants to do with an entire Armada Second thing I’m not saying the organs are weaker, but they’re still Oregon’s. They take physical damage shop damage their sensitive still. Plus again logos are very handy thing in this match as well. Literally the element itself could technically go to space and they could organise like if we are thinking about this as an invasion, and they had to control everyone to Gever to fight the vulture mates. Apologise for my bad spelling, I’m using auto. Speak to put Elvis down Then, honest to God, what you would do get all the Logia type users ever, they could technically fly them in to space and do some real damage and do not forget they have some people who can control metal and electric to give them a bad time I will put more down ideas later

[@hugohickman7694]

@alextheassassin6918 organs are not weak like they are ar strong as skin. The thung us that damege to organs is wost than skin

[@gabrieltucker801]

The best to understand dbz is the guide books i can't remember if sensi signed off them and the namkiens can fuse they used it against moro. So they could deadass just double up and drop them

[@rougarabid]

The guidebooks aren’t canon, Toriyama wasn’t involved with them at all and they constantly conflict with the series.

[@ceejay3350]

I just wanna say that then flying thru a planet is cool bc it’s still a planet that planet and been shot by this dude and his gun basically made it easier to destroy plus if they didn’t do it right it was said it woulda destroyed them

[@Hickszter]

I always think filtrate videos are interesting. Put them in what if thanks for this one.

[@spaceman6693]

For one piece u can also argue ryou armament haki, which can bypass durability and like hit the organs. the namekians have multiple ways of winning, we see in super that 2 namekians from a different universes fused with everyone on their planet with fusions being such a big increase that they could fight an adult gohan, another way is using potential unleash on nail and other warrior namekians which e know gives a huge power boost, they could also wish them away and maybe wish to be the strongest in the universe? We saw granola do this but it costed them his lifespan and with a different set of dragonballs so it’s not 100%. Also we know the baseline power level to destory a planet which is 10k and saying they’re unreliable to see the true strength doesn’t matter when the range of power levels is above the needed threshold, it’s not that they were completely useless it’s that they couldn’t see the fighters true strength because of rage boosts hiding power levels etc

[@collinpeugh2238]

I figure the namekians would probably fuse until they had a strong enough fighter to kill all the Viltrumite's either that or they could use the dragon balls to escape them

[@ong6261]

there is an argument for the one piece verse even if you don't think they're that strong, mainly due to the viltrumites being vulnerable to internal damage. We see that robot is able to kill a version of mark by blowing him up with little bombs from the inside and this could easily be replicated by advanced armament/conquerors haki. And also the fact that there are less then 50 viltrumites they would have a very real chance of beating the invasion

Bro omniman almost got packed out by a Kraken and some lame ass clones yet we sposed to believe he's taking magma fist to the face