Would You Buy an Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Instead of This? | Watchfinder & Co.

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[@Jeff-mj1nl]

Neither. I have 3 dollars.

[@TheYungKingz]

Jeff1809 bro... same

[@user-gz5hd1zd5m]

You're a poor peasant. I have 4 dollars.

[@Mysticfateee]

Then what are you doing here? 😂

[@Bob_In_Thailand]

I would not spend this kind of money on either of these two watches but that does not mean I can't appreciate what I choose not to buy.

[@TomasLonga]

about tree fiddy??

[@max_archer]

I hate to say this, and it seems like I might be alone in doing so, but the Vacheron doesn't appeal to me at all. The Royal Oak and Nautilus aren't really my thing either, but there's an undeniable charm to both of them, a perfect balance between bezel and dial size and just the right dial treatments and indices to offset the brutish cases with a bit of class. The Vacheron, on the other hand, lacks that balance, and ends up looking like a $300 fashion watch because of it.

[@svfutbol20]

100% agree.

[@drunkenmasterii3250]

Vacheron dial is boring at best

[@MrAstroshot]

Agreed. VC have lost their way.

[@jimmysplit7729]

Max Archer bravo! What a great comment

[@Oozywolf]

As another user said, the Vacheron looks a bit like an Eco Drive. Eco Drives are cool... but for what they are. Citizen could make a watch that looks very similar to the Vacheron. I'm not sure a budget brand could manage to make a watch look very similar to the RO.

[@wika1984]

It seems I'd buy anything you put on your channel.

[@TheytellToomanylies]

This lol

[@alexhurt7919]

Yeah pretty much. It's really just a matter of what I would rather buy.

[@jonultime]

Never understood the love for the Royal Oak until I fell in love with it. Its ugly and beautiful at the same time; its so complex yet so simple; its rounded yet so angular; its so obnoxious yet so understated. Everything is balanced and that's why it will be an icon forever.

[@playingbadgolfwell9732]

Completely agree. Maybe I'm too susceptible to the opinions of others, but, for the longest time, whenever I saw a Royal Oak in a magazine (late 70s through 80s) I always dismissed it. However, if I could now travel back in time, I'd pick one (or two) up without hesitation.

[@WatchGeek]

Despite being very overpriced, the AP takes the crown for me. The VC just looks like a Citizen Eco-drive model, including the Citizen short hands. The minute hand is way too short so to me it's not the looks of the AP or Nautilus

[@svfutbol20]

The numerals look like they belong on a Longines Conquest.

[@badlarry172]

no

[@jarenong]

U just pissed off alot of weebs by dissing japan Citizen

[@WatchGeek]

Jarren Ong I'm not dissing Citizen, they make some of the best watches out there, I own one for 13+ years and it has never missed a beat, but they do tend to make hands too short 😄 on many of their newer models

[@sengalkol]

to me AP patek VC and rolex is kind of overrated and overpriced, most of their product is plain looking and similar but bovet 1822 is nice and those greubel & forsey

[@stoiankirezov8532]

Love the Overseas, it's value is undeniable and to think that it comes with 3 strap. That are easy to change put the leather strap it's dressy the metal strap sporty and the rubber and it a perfect holiday companion. It really could be your only watch.

[@divyegandhi7911]

Your amount of knowledge and the presentation makes you a incredible channel to follow.

[@daddyfranky01]

I just acquired a 15400st , the bracelet is Stunning!, best design in the industry. Thank you Gerald Genta

[@snazzy]

c. Patek Nautilus

[@dlhussain81]

Snazzy Labs you want the Royal Oak homage?

[@elv3a424]

DLH The Royal Oak homage designed by the same creator? Yeah.

[@dlhussain81]

Elias Westeren yeah, Patek wanted a piece of AP’s pie. Quite shameful. Always following AP. No guts.

[@jong9992]

I think both were designed by Gerald genta.

[@jong9992]

BTW he also designed the omega constellation, the polerouter from universal geneve and the patek ellipse and Nautilus

[@Jrtowns1]

The Overseas is one of my favorite and in my opinion a criminally underrated piece.

[@user-kd2ez2mb3c]

If you want to buy a watch of this genre, seriously get the royal oak. The overseas screams " I didnt have the balls to own a RO " and therefore you compromised to settle for half. You buy not just the royal oak but its heritage. The vacheron is a pretender that is not true to royal oak heritage nor vacheron. Dont be neither here nor there, either get the AP or dont get it at all. Lastly, the overseas uses a movement from GP, i think its the base calibre, not truly inhouse to vacheron. You want a vacheron? Get their dress watches, their MODERN overseas chronos and even their in house chronos etc etc

[@Ahmadb000]

Most people who criticize the Overseas is because it's not trendy like the RO and the Nautilus..thanks to Instagram and bloggers who made those 2 watches so trendy to the point that everyone suddenly wants to own one of them and made this fake qoues and waiting lists that even made people think that owning one of these watches will gain them millions of dollars over time not for wearing and enjoy them. The VC in my opinion tops those trendy watches and owns a deep and oldest heritage of the other two

[@TomasLonga]

Do you HAVE TO be either "here, or there"? What I you just like the watch? And if I am not mistaken, the VC has JLC movement, not GP. Or at least mine (second generation 47040) has JLC base modified to VC inhouse.

[@oyildirim5641]

@@user-kd2ez2mb3c word! thats not even an opinion right there its the cold hard truth

[@oyildirim5641]

@@TomasLonga if you like the VC more than the royal oak dude you are just not there yet...iyour taste hasnt evolved enough yet or you just want to rebel against mainstream ideas...I dont care which it is...you CANNOT like the VC more...just come on man...its not even in the same universe let alone state, let alone ballpark...

[@stevekain4707]

in NYC 2020, inside my apartment became the only place I can wear my gold wristwatch without looking over my shoulder

[@killamist666]

The best bracelet in watches, Probably. I mean the AP obviously.

[@sackman1886]

I'm at the point where I'm hitting the like button on his videos before it even starts. They are all so well done, it's incredible.

[@saadus7269]

VC is a masterpiece!!!

[@oyildirim5641]

no, no its not

[@stefanopauluzzi8292]

@@oyildirim5641 every watch admirer knows VC is an institution. Then, you may like or not the model, although there are other VC overseas like the 42040 which in my opinion are much more stunning, but the VC movements and finishes are of undoubted value. AP and PP have just become more successful , however do not forget in the '70 AP was about to bankrupt.

[@nalinc3304]

Love your videos: a bit of history, a bit of where the value came from, a bit of how to compare the two watches (what you get and what you lose), as well as concise and entertaining scripts :)

[@Wagalipon]

Vacheron Constantin Overseas and AP RO are both great watches but to say "the family resemblance is striking" is a bit of a stretch....

[@MrSergioe7]

This VC is beautiful, I would very much rather wear this VC as opposed to some blatant Royal Oak knock off like the Hublot. Thank you for the fantastic and informative video as always.

[@seven921914]

I really like the look of the VC but, that AP is just gorgeous. Keep the content rolling, I'm enjoying each and every video, so insightful and informative.

[@PrimeMatt]

Royal Oak any day of the week 👌🏽

[@ilbazar2578]

Can you show us the maurice lacroix aikon 39 mm? If is possible in gray dial and gold arms; it's not a piece of art for the movement but i think it's are very well done for the eyes. Your opinion helped me with this decision.

[@dimitrisbastas739]

Overseas only the 1996 first generation. Unfortunately 15300st is discontinued. It was the best Royal oak after 15202st. Now as second hand is more expensive than when was in production!

[@canalwest]

The Vacheron Overseas any day, over the Royal Oak. AP seriously needs to move ahead of the Royal Oak. Having said that, they don't have to discontinue the Royal Oak, rather they should design a new watch. From scratch.

[@Harrybawls69]

Keep in mind that if there was no Royal Oak then there would be no overseas. Don't see why AP need to move of the RO as it's making them shedloads of money, in fact more than any other watch would probably ever make them.

[@TKVirusman]

Agreed that AP needs to become known for more but as someone who has never owned either I'd pick up the Royal Oak over the Overseas every time. I personally am not a fan of the overseas, it looks like a Beyblade.

[@Kr0nicridah]

If you’re getting the VC just because the Royal Oak is too ubiquitous or iconic, then that’s just awfully pretentious

[@rayleeaustralia]

Why fix something when it ain't broken? Look at Rolex, their models have never changed much and it's still very desirable today than ever!

[@oneashralph4076]

AP just maintained the hype.That All

[@heathwasson7811]

A better example of high end value? Anything from Girard Perregaux is an incredible value, most especially on the second hand market. And, if you're into this style of watch, the Laureato predates all of them except the Royal Oak. I recently saw a video knocking GP for "jumping on the band wagon" with the integrated bracelet look. It seems people don't realize it came out in the early 70s a couple years before the VC or PP offerings. For the life of me, I can't figure out why people just ignore the existence of GP. Their 3 bridges models and minute repeaters especially are incredible high horology pieces, and are absolutely in the same league as the "Big Three".

[@bannedaccount3752]

This Overseas is incredible, a pity that it doesn`t have the steel bracelet, which takes away some of the charm of the watch. I like it, but doesn`t do justice to the newest ones (see the new full line of Overseas and that beautiful ultra-thin perpetual calendar, God's sake¡), and much less to the charm of the 222 and it's immediate descendants.

[@JosephCoates]

The apprentice marks on those screws are unforgivable.

[@pasquale78]

Yep, I noticed that too. What an idiot!

[@jlo6388]

Just quit playing around. And buy a JLC

[@SimulatorWhiz]

@Lee’s Ollie Shit? The royal oak and the oversea's movement is based off a JLC movement lol are you out of your mind?

[@schwarzfabi]

VC Overseas Chrono Gen 2 - Best buy in the business.

[@bradenclick5126]

I never was a huge fan of the standard Royal oak, the Overseas has always been my favorite.

[@sohailjaper]

Guys did someone notice that : the Audemars Piguet produce only one model ( the royal oak ) someone tell me why ?

[@Sporkmaker5150]

People only buy the Royal Oak. AP has several dress watch lines including the Jules Audemars, Edward Piguet, and Millenary but they don't sell nearly as well.

[@mb-watches]

I am a big fan of the VC Overseas, especially as my given name is Konstantin... And the overseas line is beautiful made and finished. But the AP RO is to me the watch which is more beautiful in my eyes. Awesome Macros and a great comparison, as usual. Thanks for giving me a relaxed Haute Horology Friday evening and greetings, Konstantin

[@henrysiegertsz8204]

I like the Child of the late '70's look of the VC, AP looks like distorted lumpen thing somehow in comparison, in my opinion. Likewise the PP looks like a first Cousin of the AP, too much, like horses from the same stable. Leaving the VC with a dignified air of distinction, which for me sets it apart from the other two heavyweights in the arena! Love your videos!

[@poiiiiiiiiiii3049]

His voice and words... I put on a headphone for every video of this channel.

[@meandme591]

I love VC but in this case what a beuty AP made with Royal Oak just staning 😍

[@cmac0695]

VC Overseas 49150 is my favorite watch for quite some time.

[@keltecdan]

AP really only has the Royal Oak going for it.

[@andystuart4667]

My fav is the girard perregaux laureato. The saw the RO and perfected it

[@CosmicDuck494]

I think it would be interesting to compare the royal oak to the girard perregaux laureato or the nautilus to the piaget polo s.

[@svfutbol20]

I really don't like that VC. The octagonal design on the bezel reminds me of the UGLY Tags from the 80s and 90s with their hexagonal bezels.

[@doyoulikechocolate]

Respect to this video. AP for the dial, strap and only problem is, which color dial?

[@pasquale78]

Who's the idiot who used a too small screw driver to tighten the screw at 1:18 ?

[@christofferpedersen3939]

funny .... my OCD noticed that too 👍🏻🤣🤣

[@NathanChisholm041]

Mashed screws are part off the charm!

[@elegantcrawfish9390]

Where

[@elegantcrawfish9390]

Oh nvm LOL

[@maxnovikov51]

First day when i got my AP Offshore diver watch (retail 27k$) i was curious about the screws at the front and tried them and ofcourse made some damage to one of the screws XD

[@malthus101]

I like the overseas but the font of the numbers is wrong

[@guilessa]

I love this VC, especially with the blue dial and blue rubber strap.

[@BobbyDazzler888]

Guilherme Lessa blue blue blue, everyone wants blue

[@avivkestin7103]

+Greg Mieg Just a phase.

[@TheGlasspix]

Vacheron used to be the epitomy of refined understatement with unprecedented quality. In the past two decades they have started pandering to non-European tastes with their gerish masters of art and other 'hot felon-ish' series, wearing one of those in high society would be equivalent to arriving at the Viennese Opera in a stretched limo. I fancy the Overseas series simply on the basis that I like Seiko sports watches, but it really looks like a £200 Tissot that you could buy at Dixons.

[@LiamQ1994]

I just want to say, not exclusive to this video, that the quality of your production and content is fantastic and I enjoy seeing every new video popping up. It most certaionly is not be in the upper eschelons of watchmaking, as most of your content is, but nevertheless I'd be really interested in the story of Braun as a timepiece maker and how the quality and design of their modern watches (manufactured by the "fashion watch" congolomerate Zeon) reflect their original timepieces.

[@iZacq]

I wish in 2020 🤞🏻 They made the Royal Oak in just STEEL not even Gold Screws

[@gokulpnambiar8806]

I prefer overseas with the blue dial on a bracelet over both nautilus & royal oak any dayy

[@ultraman1red]

VC is one best value in luxury sports watches.

[@davidrsierra9335]

I wish Vacheron Constantin made a more moderately sized version of the Overseas. Perhaps a 37-38 mm would broaden the market for them and boost sales.

[@ozzybeats8479]

They do have a 37mm Overseas but it has a subdial. I’m not really into it.

[@Senninha1960]

Can never get used to a messy date position between 4 and 5

[@Ali-li2vx]

Are you going to upload a video talking about the Baselworld released next week?

[@robertwoods4281]

I love the Vercheron overseas and in my humble opinion think it comes in First place in regards to looks movement and price. I do believe that the resale price will hold and get higher do to the fact watch owners that I know will not let the VC go. We love the watch.

[@thenamesemil]

AAAA THAT AP DIAL IS SO BEAUTIFUL 😭

[@amintj3407]

i dont see the monoblock feeling in VC ,compared to RO and it lacks some harmony between the bezel and dial .

[@mikeoz01]

Vach for me; bezel-case combo is a killer, overseas stainless bracelets have no equal for finish and fit. Also consider the chrongraph models 49140 and 49150 for very appealing values.

[@gerolamobudroni518]

The AP has a stunning look. I am passionate for robust affordable watches. The watches with Unitas 6325 and 6425 on stainless steel cases fit the bill. Among all the tenths of models I like the Dugena Troupier with a “close to square” case shape and a flat surface around the glass that to me recall the AP. I see that you review mostly new luxury watches. I still would like you to ask you to review the humble Dugena Troupier and its spartan but robust “Wehrmacht”. I can provide the watches if needed.

[@andersonrosa2022]

I've been looking for a few years at these two watches...I dislike the date placement on the VC, but overall I lean towards the VC..it's a bit more uncommon...

[@nicholasjoseph9062]

Can we get a credor please?

[@Sams911]

no substitute for the top of the Holy Trinity.... the oldest brother .. Vacheron Constantin.

[@wanrazaliwzulkifli294]

The RO wins here. VC Overseas' short minute hand (kinda reminds you of the Explorer 214270 minute hand issue), date window placement and 3,6,9,12 numeral index font not cutting it IMO. The case design is a beautiful work though!

[@antoniobananderas1967]

Another great video - thanks and very well done. The VC is truly a thing of beauty. The AP is however close to perfection, especially on the silver-white dial, which elevates its elegance and classical proportions. If Leonardo da Vinci had designed a wristwatch, the AP Royal Oak would have been the result.

[@dlhussain81]

I don’t see how the nautilus is historically relevant. It’s a homage of the Royal Oak

[@henrikaaseb2223]

Bulova has a homage for the royal oak, gerrard perregaux has a homage, maurice lacroix has a homage, sure the design of the nautilus has some features that clearly makes it a Genta design, but i would not call it an homage as it has its own destinctive look. Anyway, thats Just my opinion :)

[@dlhussain81]

Valdon Sadiki bulova and girard pereggaux also have their distinctive look...

[@henrikaaseb2223]

@@dlhussain81 GP has streight up copyed the dail of the Royal Oak with the blue tapisserie

[@henrikaaseb2223]

@@dlhussain81 have you seen the bulova royal oak? And you still dont think its a Rip off... Not one Original design in that one, everything from bracelet, bezel with screws to the dail, everything is Just copied with crap execution and 0 craftman ship

[@dlhussain81]

Valdon Sadiki they’re all rip offs including nautilus

[@Rajazraj1992]

I got the AP Royal Oak day date moonphase but I must admit the VC is taking its toll on me as the PP is out of my price range

[@eddiethecounsel]

The Royal Oak is distinctive. You could recognize it right away, the same cannot be said of the VC.

[@ultraman1red]

Out of the three I tend to lean Patak But a general selection would be with VC.

[@salmana4239]

AP is a single model company. VC range and limited production should logically mean that overseas is in much more demand. But with big boys with investment pockets focusing on the Royal oak only; there is no space left for logic anymore

[@emadb8380]

I agree with you but the royal oak is the best looking in the trio for me, thanks...

[@malthus101]

VC is the third oldest watch maker in the world? They claim to be the oldest I thought?

[@KingSalami407]

That AP bracelet though. Makes the watch 2x better.

[@canalwest]

I would like to request a review on a brand that isn't seen or talked about much, but is every bit quality and has heritage as well. I'm talking of Universal Geneve. Will be looking fwd to it whenever possible. Thank u.

[@sawarunan]

The industrial look just isn't the same I think. The quote around 3:53 that "the family resemblance is striking" is one of the statements on this channel I've disagreed with! Not that the VC is unattractive, but if you move away from from descriptions on paper - "prominent bezel with a repeating geometric design" - and look at them on the wrist, any resemblance vanishes. In my eyes, at least.

[@SenerS10]

VC should remove Numerals and change to Indices. Then they should add some pattern to dial and remove stupid bezel notches. After those changes, it could be a great watch.

[@sbeckett91]

In my (albeit useless) opinion, I think both AP and VC should be booted from the Holy Trinity. The VC Overseas looks a little like a Michael Kors fashion watch, and AP has been a one-trick pony for years. So many better brands out there these days.

[@TomasLonga]

Not "so many" but definitely few VERY GOOD ones. A.L&S for the win :) and very underrated JLC, of course.

[@phamman88]

overseas doesnt do it for me

[@937dboy]

the octagon shape is iconic.

[@julienholmgren1543]

It's not cheaper than the Royal oak, the retail price indicated on the website is 20 100 euros.

[@DougieFresh13]

I own a 15400 with the cailbre 3120 movement and I love the watch the movement and the bracelet along with the brushed steel. However the Vacheron Constantine definitely is a beautiful piece. I think I'll be looking on chrono24!!

[@FatherVampire]

A far less-expensive option with similar aesthetics and quality, including a co-axial in-house movement, is the Omega Constellation Double-Eagle. Used, these can be had for under $3,000. In my view, I far prefer this little beauty over the Vacheron Constantin... and consider it on par in its superb iconic look to the Royal Oak.

[@Seneca384]

The AP white dial is spectacular!

[@ghostindamachine]

I would love to see a Grönefeld watch reviewed.. but I understand they are hard to get a hold off..

[@vlmxs]

Superb video just as always! May I ask the question about this particular Royal Oak - it looks impeccable in the video, but on the website, when zoomed in it shows some sign of wear and tear - is it normal for AP Royal Oak, or this particular item was a victim of poor service and depreciatedly used?

[@jerrys.]

All this talk of Gerald Genta & he didn’t even design the VC overseas! He did the Gerard Perregaux Laureato though and no mention. It seems GP is invisible in the UK. Me I’d have a Blancpain thanks

[@yvelf]

you mentioned 3 sport luxury watches (not showing the PP Nautilus)...what about the newcomer, the a lange a sohne Odysseus? how does it compare? will it hold value as well as the PP nautilus?

[@shahorology3275]

soo smooth, your videos are legendary.

[@tynchytemper9618]

Why did the "big three" use JLC movements?

[@aklem001]

I'm confused. The VC you're holding is not a VC 222. It's a Second generation Overseas. I have an Overseas Gen 3. However, I plan on also getting an AP Royal Oak. They may compete, however, I think they are different enough to own both. Especially if you do different metals/complications.

[@marcinligocki335]

One of the reasons we buy proper watches is the excitement factor.. despite the price, the heritage, the story.. Vacheron simply doesn't have that thing what AP RO has in this excitement area.

[@mpfour4203]

Nice video, not on my list but that JLC 920 movement definitely very nice.

[@DMBVR4]

Never understood the Royal Oak, and AP has overplayed it to death.

[@fiatjustitiaruatclum7557]

Matt McLoughlin similar to Omega's speedmaster line

[@DMBVR4]

Fiat justitia ruat cælum Kind of. The difference with Omega is that there are a ton of versions of a ton of models of a ton of families. AP is a one trick pony, they have the Royal Oak and.... well, the Royal Oak.

[@fiatjustitiaruatclum7557]

Matt McLoughlin True but, i feel as though they keep milking the speedmaster line. i.e. the dark side of the moon then the white side then grey side now there is a blue side of the moon. Other than that I'm happy with my tintin speedy.

[@jacc88888]

Fiat justitia ruat cælum Yes I agree but I think in terms of aesthetics the Speedmaster is in a completely different league - it’s a really beautiful watch to look at. I don’t think you could say the same for the R.O.

[@BrixtonBando]

"AP has overplayed it to death" its their ONLY watch, lts be honest. if Royal Oak disappeared tomorrow AP wouldnt exist.

[@binkymagnus]

Great macro shots!

[@stefanopauluzzi8292]

Fantastic video , I own an Overseas and I think exactly the same : no there is better value for money in that category than this watch.

[@florianhess]

I would need to give to the AP. The VC looks kinda over designed and the font chosen for the numbers makes it look cheap in my opinion. A matter of taste at the end if the day, though the VC suffers from poor design.

[@demon1spence]

GP laureato has to be in the discussion on Bang for buck

[@preciousmetals168]

'oh-duh-mah peekay' lol

[@fransuave]

Hi watchfinder, love the channel and your videos, I’d love to see you review the breitling navitimer - any plans to review this?

[@vincentchampion8986]

At some point I would like to own a watch of such caliber. currently my highest end watch is from Ulysse Nardin. As someone who is not interested in purchasing a watch as an investment but rather purely for the art and engineering in this case I would be more inclined to purchase a VC second hand. Lately I have become rather intrigued with the H. Moser pioneer which seems to have the same level of hand finishing and quite clever engineering.

[@abc20002koonrsr]

For that bullit proof resale and handsome bezel it must be the AP

[@memetunestudio]

What about the Phidias? An amazing late '80s VC sports watch. Just got a full gold chrono version for £6k

[@jaymitchosky]

That was an outstanding presentation.

[@jakebennett4307]

0:47 anyone else think those black minute markers look a bit crusty?