WoW's New Battle Royale And Why I Stopped Playing Retail

/ zackrawrr

[@redeyes3847]

His grease is consuming the lens

[@Antarius]

I'll just treat it like a podcast and not look at the grease

[@Elysian777]

That's just Asmon, finally Ascending.

[@alext6933]

​@@Antariusthat is for the best.

[@pr0newbie]

Better this than pretend that it's the aura of jesus.

[@Extruded_pixel-zd4yy]

May its greasing cleanse the world! Asmon Al-Gaib!

[@JollyTobi]

He has an aura, he has risen.

[@Coarvus]

This one's hilarious😂😂

[@Rysix19]

Its his earth shield, got buffed and has a force shield aswell

[@zagorim7469]

Tis weak to fire !

[@ansurarks]

Weak aura

[@kornbob2665]

That's my first thought too.

[@JimboJamboYT]

that scented candle in the back is doing gods work

[@swilson5320]

That would be a great scent name

[@dangummoe]

Like atlas holding up the planet

[@ernazermekov]

Have you ever been to a fruit warehouse where a stall or two has gotten rotten? The other berries and fruits smell nice but they just accentuate the Nurgles rot

[@inputflounder5322]

@@ernazermekov nurgle weeps from asmon's presence

[@Andy_Classic]

😂😂

[@mrowi2916]

I am playing wow since this january. I am sooooo happy my boyfriend is playing wow for over 10 years and he can answer every single one of my 100k questions. I love the game but at the same time i am sure that i would have stopped playing without his knowledge! It is just so full of unexplained things you would never think of.

[@selinameow]

This is the most relatable, for me. I’m in my second year of WoW. If it wasn’t for people who’ve been playing for twenty years, who answered my questions, I’d have probably given up. I like WoW.

[@IreUpontheEarth]

I played wow for 15 years before I quit and it still makes me sad how it’s turned.. but wow will always be in my blood

[@CodexQuinn]

@@IreUpontheEarth I like to think of Blizzard as a whole as Arthas. We players will forever call our home "Lordaeron" (Azeroth as a whole), even if it's been consumed and twisted into a decayed and diseased... "thing," and forever damn the ones who did it to us.

[@CrusaderSmjolk]

His mastery of the game has manifested in a glowing grease aura

[@Zaneius]

He turned into a ghost dude, he should ressurect soon

[@Daniele-PierreDuLac]

480p Jesus returns!

[@Xxxepil]

now new with holy shine

[@mightbecursed]

Yay!

[@psyche4722]

its like 2009 youtube again

[@Minming69]

😂Amen 🙏

[@toifel]

> Be Multimillionaire > Use camera from 2006

[@user-xw9ps6ue7c]

New player to retail here. Just learned abt things such as simming, gems, and enchantments. Btw things I’ve never heard of and things that the game never told me abt and apparently I’m supposed to do them if I want to do high lvl content. Legit signed up for a raid the other day and was told I wasn’t enchanted and I was like wtf is enchanting

[@cosmicwonderer6269]

As someone who has raised heroic for a long time. Enchants/sims/ all the minutia really doesn't matter. Gear, playing your class right, and doing mechanics correctly will get you very far. Don't fall into the trap of min/max.

[@KomninosA7X]

Enchants and gems aren't useless by any means, if you have enchants and gems on all your gear, the amount of stats you get is like having an extra item or two. It is true however that the game doesn't provide you with that information, it expects you to already know somehow.

[@themcnugget7624]

@@KomninosA7Xit doesn’t tell you anything except how to move and attack when you first play

[@Andy_Classic]

Play classic wow

[@camvalence]

@@themcnugget7624It used to be the beauty of the game, you had to figure all of this out yourself at your own pace. Too rushed, now. New players can’t enjoy it.

[@kelzynwadez]

I’ve been playing since Wrath, husband played 05-06 and I convinced him to come back. He picked it up quickly, but we just play casually. World content, dungeons, quests. Mid-30s and all I feel like after work is logging in and feeling like I made a little progress. Looking forward to Plunderstorm though! We miss old school PvP, and think this could really be right up our alley.

[@danallery8207]

good to see Zack is not just using the Oblivion OST but also the Bloom settings

[@sergeantsheppard]

😄

[@Hyde_Lawrence]

Greetings, friend. Have you come seeking the light?

[@WeedFur]

LOL good one

[@henrychurch6062]

Just started playing through Oblivion... This is very true.

[@SvenS2]

😂

[@CptnKraken]

"what happens when you have an aging audience? . . you fucking die" 🤣🤣🤣

[@CHIM3RA.]

Agree with that. That's why they dropped a battle royale to try to capture a GEN Z player base.

[@davehubi7184]

Isnt the american flag hung up on the wrong side or am i dumb? Im not american so what do i know

[@CHIM3RA.]

@davehubi7184 he's probably using the front camera of his phone which creates this mirrored effect that means if his shirt had a word it would look like it's backward too like the flag.

[@davehubi7184]

​@@CHIM3RA. Ahh ok this makes sence

[@superghost6]

@@CHIM3RA. You're right, the Halo poster says Olah

[@TheWaller]

I will give my perspective as a new player. I started playing just a few months ago, and I agree with you partially - Yes there is allot to take in and you easy get overwhelmed if you think about all the tings you can do and collect. But what I focused on was just to take in the world and the story. I tried to explore the world and not only speedrun the quests. I red them and and tried to take in the story. And that made my experience much better and more fun! I have tried to be social and interacted with players along the way, and I have already made a new friend that is from my home nation. I understand if this is not the typical new player (or im wrong and im very typical). But for how i played and tried to enjoy the game, I never felt overwhelmed! Thanks for a good video and a interesting perspective :)

[@gb342002]

Yeah thats cool and I'm glad you're enjoying the game, but some of us have been around wow for 20 years and the story doesn't matter much anymore. Constantly starting over gets annoying. I agree with Asmon but I also won't go back to classic. It's boring.

[@LastNight0]

Mans probably one of the top streamers in the world and put out videos of this quality. There’s still hope for content creators. Ty for restoring my hope

[@GraffitiTD]

I came across a podcast the other day that was all about how to get better at healing in WoW. The number one tip was to spend your time/effort on improving your UI (Addons, type of information, weakaura, placement etc...) rather than playing the game. That was a stark reminder of the barriers that prevent me from returning to retail.

[@qunt100]

I think there are other things to. Like I hate having to heal through stupid. Or in leveling dungeons and end game content at times, it's just a go go go speed fest. Heal us all while we tank and dps the entire dungeon, and pull the whole dungeon with every mob at once, in one shot. It's bullshit lol. I never will heal or tank in this game again. Like even dps sucks sometimes because I can't even get spells off at times on mobs and bosses in a 5 man dungeon run or whatever. Like how can groups clear shit so quickly. The methodical learner mentality for any type of information, whether it is in wow, or in real life knowledge of importance and all that. The methodical learner approach is completely dead. Go fast or get fucked. And go forward with shit regardless of whether you agree with it or not or get fucked. Like I legit don't even have drive to even go to work or exist anymore half the time. Although wow is still pretty fun. It is just a different game. And I play so rapidly differently compared to how other people play. I think the only addon I use is silver dragon and camel tracker. Still trying to find camel figurines in uldum.

[@jamesfisher4388]

yeah bro just get -good- better addons

[@michaelzachar7166]

Yeah same problem with Eras too. SOD has turned into a joke because all the retail nerds make it impossible for casual players to actually enjoy end game because you need to have 99 parse to run a 40 raid. It’s pretty silly.

[@AaaBbb-pl8jc]

I never got into healing precisely for that reason, I don't want to have to download a bunch of addons and configure them and do all that to be able to do my class decently. That's why I enjoy SOD, I haven't healed a raid before until SOD and I'm getting by with just the default UI (well, and deadly boss mods of course). Never used a weakaura in my life, and I don't plan to lol

[@bondori7999]

I mean, ultimately, addons are an alternative to skill. If you want to do a thing, but not have to put the effort in to watching the information on your screen and/or getting better, get an addon. But the game is 100% playable with zero addons, so please don't blame them for you not playing.

[@philcollins5457]

Narratively it’s really disengaging, too. The whole BFA expansion I was making jokes that the Heart of Azeroth would just get replaced by some random green we found questing. And while it was a blue one, that’s exactly what happened. Not a good look when the symbol of your bond with the spirit of the planet gets swapped out for a little trinket between lovers in the Shadowlands and it’s an upgrade.

[@1minus2]

I never thought about that lol.

[@iFYMxDRKNSFALLS]

it happened when Burning crusade launched. ppl in full Naxx gear had their items replaced by a quest green or random green drop from a mob. WoD to shadowlands did a good job where late game raiding gear would last up to mostly to max lvl dungeons.

[@AkiRa22084]

That's normal, I don't want to keep old gear anyway. And narratively it was used up.

[@rwjscaper]

​@@iFYMxDRKNSFALLSalways kinda felt like this wasn't true, not enough people even did Naxx for it to have been a massive issue, and even then which pieces were you replacing in outland before Ring of Blood, etc

[@ianbrannan9608]

@@iFYMxDRKNSFALLS naxx bis was prebis until t4? This didn’t happen in tbc, and kinda didn’t even happen in wrath, where even some sunwell was prebis

[@brucepreston3927]

I completely agree that it is hard to approach as a new player...I thought about giving it a try last year, but after talking to a buddy that plays, I realized that I simply don't have the time to get caught up on everything...It is very overwhelming!

[@fremenlemon655]

It is designed to take a long time, on a regular basis. you can catch up, but you have to constantly grind to stay caught up.

[@drakefisher6317]

@@fremenlemon655 But compare that to a game where you can get in, the tutorial explains enough that you can do well, and you can learn the rest organically without issue and it's pretty clear why WoW gets far less new players than almost any other game of the genre.

[@fremenlemon655]

@@drakefisher6317 I quit once I saw the constant treadmill, not my idea of fun to grind for things that get replaced every few months. Came back for classic, which was great fun for a while though, new players should probably play that.

[@l337hackzor]

@@fremenlemon655 It's all about attitude, "not my idea of fun to grind for things that get replaced every few months" is the wrong attitude for wow. The more healthy way to look at it is achievements or rating. Setting goals (not gear based ones) and working forwards them is fulfilling. Don't grind a dungeon over and over to get a drop, push it higher and higher for rating. I understand you are doing the same thing, running a dungeon, but it's the mental aspect that is different. If you don't enjoy the gameplay (doing the dungeon for example) than no amount of virtual gear will fix that. This will often lead to more seasonal sytle of play though.

[@wm1573]

Yet there are A LOT of new players coming all the time and praising it

[@Mmmm_tea]

when they introduced "ahead of the curve" I was like well my raiding guild had server transfered at that moment so my chances of getitng it were low, my server was basically dead, add in like several years of ahead of the curve and its like people have tens of mounts I can't ever obtain, why would I want to come back ?

[@TheHoodSavedMe]

This is how my glasses look driving at night.

[@jdbb3gotskills]

Same 😢

[@Quietshow]

All of my rage!

[@scarletsletter4466]

This is how my eyes look when I wake up in the morning with allergies 😂

[@bopo900]

maybe clean your lensen from time to time.

[@LawfulBased]

*_" This form... this glow... he has reached it hasn't he, Whis? "_*

[@LuigiTrapanese]

Ultra Instinct Asmongold confirmed

[@RaiZe-]

more like ultra Greece

[@exkiltersilva7483]

He has reached ultra grease

[@formerflash1901]

Ultra Instink

[@jonathanrothmare3509]

Quick throw something at him. . Bet it just slides right by him. Unphased

[@MisterJack2023]

I totally agree. I’ve wanted to play since I was a kid and I saw my cousin play it in like 2008. I FINALLY started retail in December, and it’s been fun, but there’s so much that’s so difficult because of the age of the game. It would be so cool if it had like a complete reset I totally agree.

[@magemanscrub2954]

I remember the commitment when my guild was going for realm first heroic icc 10. No chance I can schedule my life around a game like that anymore.

[@ggadams639]

This camera quality gives the feel of finding tapes of someone planning to murder his family and had a small youtube channel in 2009

[@quask]

oddly specific

[@punz5053]

I had to check my face if I had my glasses on, since I thought my astigmatism is in full force

[@mrtravacos_]

underrated comment

[@powercheif]

Now regular viewers get a look at what astigmatism looks like 😂

[@xeliha1880]

You basically made a poll to see how many of asmons viewers are wearing glasses😂

[@alurma]

Asmongmatism is in full force

[@jor8025]

real af lmao

[@JamesBaylockJr]

Love the video man. Love these types of video! Keep it up broheim!!

[@zeftv7795]

Great example of time and effort for gear being respected was [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker], was useful well into Tier 5 content in Burning Crusade. So you could have this awesome ultimate weapon achievable at Tier 1, still being useful at Tier 4/5.

[@damg91195]

My Experience as a new WOW player. I started playing with DF, a week before launch. WOW has always piqued my interest but was never able to play it until now. I have had a lot of fun. I play solo, been in a guild since day 1 but don't interact with them a lot. Keybinding took me a good while to figure out, and even longer to find a way to organize my UI in a way I felt comfortable. Talent tree was challenging, I play as a Dratchyr and I went from having a handful of abilities in the Forbidden Reach to a whole talent tree by the time I got to Ogrimar. It took me almost a whole year to realize there are rotations and that the order I use my abilities will affect how much damage I do (learned this when I got kicked out of a raid for not doing enough damage). LUST and Interrupt were another obstacle I faced, people kept screaming for me to LUST but I had no ability called LUST, it took a very helpful person to explain to me that "Fury of the Aspects" and any other ability like it is called LUST or HERO because they were the first of their kind. The story was a bit of a mess at first. I had just witnessed Raszageth escape and suddenly Im standing in frozen wasteland with the sky shattered above me, I was shown a cinematic and I had no idea who Bolvar or Sylvanas were or what they had to do with Raszageth. It has taken me 1 year and a half to get caught up with the lore. I'm all caught up with DF and fully finished Shadowlands. I think there should be NPCs that guide you through things like Keybinding and Talent Tree, also add a Lorewalker to each main city and let them tell you the story of Azeroth, from the age of the old gods to current events, make it easy for players to catch up, Im so thankful for Nobbel87 and PlatinumWOW. But the main thing that needs to change is veteran players attitude towards new players, have some patience, don't just kick someone because they don't know how to use certain ability or do a mechanic perfectly in their first try.

[@RandoCDN87]

As valid as your point is about vets approach to new players, ya should always state you're new and don't know all the terminology used in group play for M+ or raids. Communication goes a long ways. If you don't say a thing, or prompt people your lack of knowledge and they get mad at you, that's on you.

[@damg91195]

@@RandoCDN87 When you tell them you are new you get kicked out. I got AOTC Amirdrassil a while ago and every single week I see people getting kicked out because they don't know mechanics or don't get them right right away (specially on Nymue and the Council). Asmon is sitting here talking about the game being unfriendly to new players, yet he is a prime example of unfriendly while doing raids. So most people will fake it til they make it because anything else will get you kicked.

[@annoyingtiger888x2]

This is why I don't do dungeons 😅 I know I'm bad, I'm not here to be the top dps or play hard-core, but others judge you for not being better. You make one mistake and you're trash. They vote to kick you or just stop helping. It's a problem.

[@Illskyy]

Honestly you should’ve started with a classic version of the game, either wrath or classic classic. Retail is a pile of hot garbage and most of the community doesn’t even consider it “WoW”. It’s a terrible representation of what the game originally was and how great it used to be. There’s also way too much going on in retail just like this video explained as “bloat” it’s just a really bad game.

[@TantraMan0607]

​@damg91195 not the same, Asmon wants people who know for the carry..I don't blame him, he has the platform and fame to do so.

[@WineAndGamess]

People with a lot of money - *purchase expensive things* Asmon with a lot of money - *takes out prehistoric camera from his basement*

[@Nate_Alder]

Thats a still working camera, so what need to buy a new camera 4k or 8k one that will be a garbage in 2 years?

[@diereine6671]

The worse the quality of the camera, the more valid your opinion is. That's just how it is.

[@DahBananaCannon]

@@Nate_Alderliterally proving his point lol

[@christianalanwilson434]

i know a few self made multi-millionaires who are the most cheapskate mfers you are ever likely to meet. They splurge on a few things but still shop the discount aisle for everything else. I guess that's why they still have money. Its usually the trust fund kiddies who try to throw money around then a few years later they wonder where it all went.

[@tylifestyle9205]

LMAO TRUE, no matter how old youtube gets, the worse quality cameras with W takes will always stay some of the most top content creators @@diereine6671

[@GraalElk]

my approach to game design has always been: ignore the deeply endgame players envision things as if you were a new player

[@Rose-Dew]

I haven't logged on for quite some time in SOD, actually for a reason you mentioned. I really wanted to go back and enjoy getting back into WoW after a long time. Unfortunately I am not consistent with how much time I can put in (sometimes a lot, sometimes none at all). And after a period I couldn't play, I came back and suddenly saw people asking to have cleared stuff already to be able to join, like wtf, it's level 25 WoW what are you on about. It felt people treated it more like a race to status than a game. I might give it one more shot at some point, but not sure yet. Ed: Can only imagine how I would feel in retail 😳

[@mikko3]

You had that in classic wow back in 2004

[@wm1573]

You don’t have to play much to be able to play higher end content in retail. That’s a misconception…I play 1-2 hours a day and sometimes not even that and I do plus 20 keys

[@Rose-Dew]

@@mikko3 Then I guess I'm lucky I didn't start playing until 2006.

[@Alex_Warlock1121]

The WoW Jesus has come thee shining himself up with his hands holy grease on the camera lens.

[@donhudson5105]

Reminds me of that unbreakable shaman video

[@Grandlett]

horrible comment

[@PulsatingHyena]

Myself and a lot of others really appreciate these videos. It starts a conversation that needs to be had. I quit wow for a lot of reasons but one of the main reasons is they weren't making the game for casual players anymore. I think they're finally starting to realize they're alienating their audience and they're trying to course correct. This new game mode is 100% a beta test. Same with Sod and I'm here for it.

[@danro7593]

As someone who generally doesn't like for games to be focused on the casual audience, I completely agree that the mmo genre is one that needs to be. Forcing people into raids for cool unlocks or any major progression just feels awful to me. I just don't care about joining a big guild or having to adhere to raid times or being stuck in there for hours at a time. That makes the game not fun to me. I want to play how I like and feel like I can meaningfully progress. Things like the FOMO raid achievement mounts suck, and so many people just buy runs and make the achievement significantly less meaningful anyway. Maybe a good way to solve this issue would be to somehow separate raid gear from the rest of the game. Make a raid only gear progression system so those people can sweat as hard as they want in that content and it could carry over from raid to raid.

[@tauriasstormshield499]

What the fuck are you people smoking? The game has literally never been more casual than it is now. The vast majority of content is solo accessible.

[@diogomoreirashorts]

Sup Zack! I am a new player to WoW and I do agree with you. I haven't downloaded or used any add-ons cause I find all of it so overwhelming. I paid my subscription this month for the first time and im currently leveling up a Hunter and playing Plunderstorm, which by the way, is freaking awesome. Great video man

[@jeffyaimz298]

I have watched your videos for a while Asmon. I never once played wow but was always interested, I just started a few days ago and so far im loving it and plunderstorm is alot of fun for me. But you are right the game makes me anxious theres too much to do and i dont want to miss any content from 20 previous years. Its a game you can come back to forever though so i like that aspect.

[@zuleogaming6758]

Addon dev here. This game made me fall in love with the lua language and it has made me a better dev over the decade but I totally agree with your take on them. When I first started, it was like a mountain I was climbing for the first time. Full of discovery and that brand new book smell. Fast forward to now, addons are quantity over quality and I hope addons go away and take the ones that make the game better and make them baseline.

[@Devoid1-pl8kl]

This. Addons make up for the horrible base game UI that hasn't evolved with the game/new mechanics. Addons are a requirement to succeed and new casual players arent going to take the time to figure that all out and set it all up just to be on the same level as the average wow player. Installing the game you should be on the same playing field as everyone else apart from in game knowledge/experience.

[@leezakrasnova1350]

I do 14M-16M damage in PVP and have yet to get kicked out of a raid with 0 adds ons lol I don’t have time to get into add ons and how to set up weak aura for each toon but still super enjoy the game and don’t necessarily think I’m terrible without the add ons

[@deannaforrest9571]

When the game gets to the point you have to spend half your time programing and reprogramming your ui to play a game you might as well set up another computer to play it for you imo.

[@olsonbrandon91]

Absolutely spot on takes here, I love the way you put this all into words and I couldn't agree more!

[@Ghandii]

i think the biggest issue with retail is how easy fast and non impact the whole leveling system works

[@biostar3697]

Tbh, Im surprised there is still leveling in the game. That we dont start the game already as max level.

[@Ghandii]

@@biostar3697 true, seems so useless at this point which sucks cause that is the best part of mmos for me

[@biostar3697]

@@GhandiiI remember, when they changed the scaling, .. I was like, yeah, thats it, this is the end of fun, atleast the leveling fun part.

[@sylviawillenberger7610]

Thank you so much for this. I have been raiding in WoW for 20 years now and totally agree with you on all parts. I haven't quit, but you are spot on about how it is geared way too heavily toward the high-end players (who, in my view, leave as soon as they quickly "win," leaving the rest of us in frustration). I would miss my Alt add-on, but I would willingly give it up to get back to basic, fun gameplay without add-ons.

[@matthewcline4035]

This one hits home for me. It’s spot on in everything and I feel the same about wow in all the ways you mention!

[@warkeman6280]

Saint Asmon of Gold

[@momentofenlightenment6004]

😂 good one

[@nastadoa9923]

golden Grease? interesting lol

[@baneandeddu8115]

LOVE IT

[@tinamclennan]

Classic ;)

[@zoltan6451]

Rise Up for the crusade

[@zeloswilder6217]

The only addon I'm using at the moment is the voice over addon that gives all quest givers voice lines for all quests so I'm able to take in the lore better because it's hard to me to be immersed without voice acting and I also have trouble reading it'd be nice if blizzard went back to classic and did that officially

[@Bushbaby_17]

I don't comment a lot on KZbin but I just want to say thanks for making this video. I feel like you've perfectly articulated how I've felt about WoW for a long time. Great video.

[@carlcard7]

I’m a 20 year veteran player of WoW, the state of retail saddens me, I’ve been finding some enjoyment with classic but I totally agree with you.

[@Kiran_Nath]

The mold in his room is starting to manifest into a shiny smog that burns through my monitor.

[@HelloJTello]

8:50 This right here is everything! There is just way to much to do and FOMO stirs people off so much more than folks may think it does if there already involved with Retail. It's a reason why I stick to SOD, Classic, etc. I can't see myself ever catching up with everything. I can say yea Plunderstorm is cool, apart me wishes it was free and it's own thing like Fortnite for example. Not sure if I like it being locked behind $15 a month, but I like the idea of the game mode for sure. Good video homie 👌🏽

[@dances4980]

I am glad that someone was allowed to make this one off fun project that could think outside of the box, I am not jumping in because that would mean downloading the huge file and also I am allocating my free time to painting miniatures these days, its much more satisfying.

[@kurykirin6281]

Bro is glowing like he would drop a legendary chest piece called "Same Shirt"

[@christianalanwilson434]

Stats: Protection from Women 10' radius Immunity to Disease 5% Discount at Wendys

[@ocelotRev]

fking lol

[@fokyewtoob8835]

Bro LMAO

[@mariestarlight]

I love that instead of rerecording this, or putting random wow footage and B-roll over the visuals, he just posted it. Legend.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

why edit this, we want to see his face in glorious 320p resolution from a bad camera anyway

[@chi15800]

nothing new here it's always been his style, he's also the epitome of laziness and "leave it for tomorrow". also he doesn't need to get his editors to embelish/overdevlop these videos due to always being the top wow influencer (despite not even playing retail normally/organically without carries in years). Bellular for instance, they always have their 10man-ish team going, i feel that's important if you want to have a more accurate opinion about what is going on.

[@zyth3392]

​@chi15800 I doubt it has that much to do with the game, asmon audience simply like watching him for him hence why he's been so successful as a variety streamer

[@jebalitabb8228]

@@chi15800who cares about an accurate view of a dead game, 10 people can’t be as entertaining as asmon can LOL

[@chi15800]

@@zyth3392 yes he ascended from wow-influ to reacter years ago, he outgrew the game like most of the old guard for obvious natural reasons, still the dormant love for the game is stuck with us for life. even so he makes a lot of good points and ideas, but some are wrong and come from the fact that he is out of the game for years.

[@killawatt4863]

As someone with a full time job and family finding time to play wow is difficult as you said. I really wish WoW took the runescape model. What I mean is all content is available to everyone and everything is still relevant and your able to play the game completely solo if desired in a living breathing world and if you want to group you can aswell. I would love to be able to go into the new raid or dungeon solo and see how far I can get the social aspect will not disappear RS as the prime example proves this maybe this is just me but I think this would revive the game

[@mikko3]

OSRS end game content takes more time than WoW

[@killawatt4863]

@mikko3 that's not necessarily true it's all RNG based

[@DonTheDeveloper]

This is such a good take. Many of us willing to come back. We're just waiting, hopefully not in vain.

[@TheVelouriumCamper]

I agree with the addons. As a healer main I’ve never used any dispel addons or weak auras or healer specific unit frames because it takes the joy of having to figure out what to do and who to heal which to me is the fun part of healing. I may not be able to get into HC guilds with this but I’m sure I enjoy raiding and mythic dungeons more than most.

[@1ViivviiX1]

Had some experiences that give me a similar outlook as yourself, all those add-ons just look like garbage popping up all over the screen, and kinda taking the fun out of testing your mettle with your natural skills in game. 🔥

[@jpolancoj]

@@1ViivviiX1bad enough actually trying to down a boss for the first time without watching a tutorial is not even an option anymore.

[@outregis]

It's ultimately part of all the meta gaming that turns an adventure rpg into "crunch the numbers so you can finish the "simulation" as quick as possible." It's no longer about the fun anymore.

[@emocatte]

I agree. Even from a hardcore perspective just recently getting CE with priest ive really cut back on weakauras and addons. Weakauras especially are out of control. You "need" some like super mega pack and macros that cause your PC to start sounding like a plane take off just to kill a boss. Its a bit much lol, Cleaner screen the better. Only gripe is healing naturally has more screen clutter- frames taking up visibility- dying from Smolderon waves coming from under those frames :(. I find it a huge failure in design that rotations to even optimize take weakauras because they dont supply any useful ui elements for your rotation. Whirlwind stacks for fury, Kyrian Spark on arcane... Even your tier set effects. Like... too much

[@itspinkay6875]

Back when I used to play (quit like 4 days into DF) my issue with natural healing was how hideous the default UIs are and how many abilities some specs needed because keybinds. I used mouse over macros for ages which helped but eventually switched to healing frames. I think things need to be redesigned and decluttered to heal naturally in high end content.

[@luisvazquez8182]

His take is basically me. I raided up to Pandaria. Back then I was an unemployed post grad student studying for his BAR exam. I had some time to commit to raiding. I stopped raiding but the game always held a soft spot in my heart. I've looked at some of the content wondering if I should come back. It looks fun, and I miss the comradery of raiding with 24 other people just messing around and joking. I just don't have the energy or time to dedicate to full time raiding, or learning all of the crazy stuff added to the game. There's also near 10 years of missed content that I won't be able to experience fully. In the end I just can't go back into the game despite yearning for it.

[@ComedyCulture24]

Same I played until the beta mop and stopped.

[@lomborg4876]

Garrosh is gone. Varian is gone. Vol’jin is gone. Saurfang is gone. Ashara is gone. The Legion is gone. Illidan is guarding Sargaras in the titan’s pantheon. The jailer sucked (and is gone). Sylvanas is no longer evil and is chilling in hell. I don’t even know who the current villains are. Some dragon aspects? Literally no threat compared to the legion and the forces of the afterlife.

[@retrorewind6042]

@@lomborg4876literally none of the current lore matters. Nobody cares. Nothing feels like its at stake anymore

[@captaincvo]

i only just started last year, and while i enjoyed the new content, its hard to get into as a whole. You start, then play BFA, then right at the end you're high enough level to enter shadowlands, then about 2/3rds through shadowlands you are whisked into dragonflight. The only expac i got to play start to finish was dragonflight, and then i was doing endgame mythic dungeons and raiding. I barely know any characters or plot points outside dragonflight, and yet the entire story of it seems to be callbacks to earlier events... Its a fun game but having not grown up with it, i missed about 99% of the story and content that made this game so iconic, one second im in the starting hub with goblins and then the next im in shadowlands as a recognized hero by jaina and a bunch of characters i never even met before that are super integral to the plot. It's like they don't care about the experience of new or returning players, and only cater to those who never missed an update, which as time passes is an increasingly small number of people!

[@numchux2]

@@captaincvo WoW Classic was designed to fill these gaps, but became something else entirely so idk...but you are right

[@Tport712]

My sub ended earlier this month and I was thinking about renewing just to play this. I'm enjoying watching it for now though.

[@dhazelwood85]

The patch by patch gear treadmill is what got me. Specifically having to re-farm the same m+ items each patch.

[@shaun2686]

It's different now with the dungeon rotation

[@hovarda0655]

I agree %100. I recently bought a wow sub because a friend wanted me to come back. I felt like everything was soo exhausting. I needed to do a bunch of things to catch up. I literally forced myself to log on every night with my limited time from work. But then I thought why am I forcing myself into this, why am I doing chores instead of relaxing with some other game and I ended up quitting. I am also not a new player having started playing in Wotlk but I always had this issue because I take breaks from the game. It is so hard to come back and not fun at all.

[@MrRawwr543]

Same here. Started with classic actually had fun til end game wrath. Switched to retail Dragonflight and I quit everything in 3days because of what you described waste of money

[@berniemargolis4288]

This was what happened to me. My youngest kid was out of high school, and I thought I would start the game back up and go hard on it. There were so many buttons that I couldn't even keep up without buying a MMO mouse. I couldn't even equip a new piece of raid gear without downloading a simulator addon to determine whether the gear was actually an upgrade given my covenants and gear stats. I love playing alts, but the amount of grinding required to level a covenant was just too time consuming. A couple of months into the Maw, I asked myself why I was torturing myself like that. The game literally felt like it was designed to punish players.

[@ryansmock2249]

I have had similar experiences. I’m a vanilla vet, started in March 2005 and did the on-and-off all the way through BFA. What began as a fun game to play with the guys (and occasional gal) become a college hobby. When I started a family and full time job, however, I became that “aging audience” and quickly tired of the elitism and toxic competitiveness even in regular non-endgame dungeons. Trying to relax after work turned into completing digital chores and managing other people’s bad attitudes. I briefly came back to dragonflight because a friend wanted me to play, and I saw that things were worse than ever. Crafting no longer made sense, and I was actually punished by the game mechanics for farming and saving materials at a low level to try and do well. Instance groups give an instant boot if players are not pro-level speed runners with academic knowledge of even basic dragonflight dungeons. Saying “I’m just back from a long hiatus” is the number one way to get kicked, it turns out. Saying I’m visually impaired and please don’t go so fast, sadly, seems to be number two. It’s a mistake to think Zack’s comments are limited to wow, though, as ESO and GW2 have the same issues. (GW2 is admittedly more relaxed, but not when you get to raids and fractals. Toxic AF.) People in general seem to have forgotten that games (1) are just games, and (2) are supposed to be enjoyable pastimes/hobbies.

[@nzoldak]

The first trap, coming back to play bcuz a friend lol.

[@Loli-Knight]

What? You barely have to do anything, ESPECIALLY if you're playing with a friend. Get to max level which takes 2-4 days depending on free time, have your friend run you through a bunch of dungeons, and then you're good to go. None of the reputations matter, and everything in terms of crafting can be gotten from other people. You just need to level, farm for what scant materials you need, and play with your friend.

[@gflcoconut4941]

"I really love the game but I wish I had a reason to play it" this is basically sums up how I feel about retail wow as well. I started playing the game when I was like 7 years old during TBC and I still love World of Warcraft but for the most part nothing about the new expansion's gameplay or story excites me.

[@Ethan-yd4gn]

Me, who has never touched WoW a single day in my life: "Ah yes, true brother! Speaking straight facts!!! This needs to change!!!!!"

[@ineffable_rival5287]

Grinded these couple of months and finally got my legendary axe and aug trinket, only to feel like its going to be replaced in a couple of weeks to greens. That reality set in knowing that I have to restart again due to a patch/season, and not a new expansion.

[@fourjhin_cookies]

Explained the gear situation and why it kills my drive to play so fucking perfectly

[@kingssman2]

I felt this every time in an expansion that my first leveling quest blue item would blow away the epics that I grinded raids for.

[@41Nizmo]

its trickled into everything. 40 different currencies and what the fuck is the crafting system now? I decided to get back in to playing and try DF and the crafting system is so damn exhausting and a complete time sink.

[@AverageYTer]

I just kicked on classic and made a new warrior. I haven’t watched any guides, I have no add-ons, and I’m just doing quests. The game at its foundation is so good.

[@gehtkeinenwasan8087]

na its not ist just boring and a slog

[@trv_o]

no it's not, I started playing in shadowlands prepatch and classic is pretty good

[@gehtkeinenwasan8087]

@@trv_o oh yes its is. fist off there is nothing to do. classes are boring. content is to easy and almost non existent. if its new for you thats fine but for someone who plays wow since almost the beginning... its just a big fat nope. the only reason i would play it again is when blizzard gives us the option get stuff for my main account the i did mis out or blizzard did not ad even if i should have it... ergo just to collect stuff. and do not get me wrong i had a fun time playing wow classic bc and wrath at the day but holy fuck i spend enough time ine there to realise how boring it was. wow is now better at every thing it does... is it perfect? nope but still better... even shadowlands i hated was better than classic.

[@64Talon]

I STARTED PLAYING WOW DURING CATA - here is my take. When I started playing WoW Cata was a fresh breath of air. The only other MMO I have played up until this point was RuneScape. I was so addicted to WoW once I finally made the decision to play it. I played consistently all the way through until the first season of WoD. I then went to college and quit the game entirely. I got sick of it, it felt like a chore. Recently, (November 2023) I came back to Dragon Flight Season 3. I'm mainly a PvP player so I've been grinding retail PvP. I've managed to hit 2400 in solo shuffle this season and 2200 in 3s, and 2300 in 2s. It's been a ton of fun, but my GOD THE LEARNING CURVE WAS INSANE. I've been lucky to have a very slow period at my job the past few months so I've been able to play an ungodly amount of WoW (and video games in general). Normally I would never be able to do this, but I was. So I was able to get addicted to it again. But if I didn't have this free time there is no fucking way in hell I would achieve the success I found. I also managed to hit 3500 io in M+ and HAVE NEVER PVE'D BEFORE IN MY LIFE UNTIL DFS3. But again, the amount of addons and other bullshit I needed to get here is insane. The barrier to entry would not have been overcome by me again if I didn't have a ton of prior hours in this game. This game is NOT friendly to new players, and it is EXTREMELY bloated. I love it very much and I don't want it to die, but as soon as my work picks up again, I'll fall off. As will every other player that has a life outside of WoW. And it sucks honestly. The game is great, the current state of the game is not. It's over designed and under optimized. I hope blizzard makes good decisions moving forward and helps keep the game we all love alive. Sincerely, a WoW player since childhood. Thanks :)

[@scottiedoesno]

Even trying to come back to retail is rough. I played Legion and BlizzCon this year got me all hyped up to get back into the game. The catch-back-up mechanism (chromy) does a really poor job of getting you into the story, the mechanics are so different and there's so much that I can hardly believe that any new or returning players stick with it. SoD seemed promising for a bit. I enjoyed phase 1 a lot. But come phase 2 it's like the sweats have emerged from their caves. Want to get to 40? Better be ready to dungeon spam and grind for 3 days then do all the quests you skipped to farm gold! That shook me off before hitting level 30. Oh well, I wanted to finish Elden Ring anyways. Just wanted to give my 2 cents as someone who loved the game since 2004

[@gimmecandy1257]

Yes you are absolutely right on every single point. I am 19 year old student from Serbia. Plunderstorm is a great game mode but when i tell my friends to play with me and they realize they have to pay a sub they are immediately turned off. It's a huge problem for people outside the west for this game to be appealing because of that sub. I personally think free trial that they already have should be extended much more. Addons are an absolute bloat, it takes so long to set up everything just to get declined because of AOTC. Season 3 is a prime example,i've taken a break from the game,came very late into the season but i couldn't for the longest time get into Heroic because of before mentioned AOTC. I have been playing retail for a year and i know that this sounds unbelievable,but i still can't find an active guild that's just willing to do leveling or some chill content in general. Don't get me wrong,i like endgame content,i got Keystone master in Season 2 and 3 on Preservation Evoker,i play arenas from time to time aswell. But raids are being so gatekept that its damn near impossible to get into a HC if you haven't played every week from season start. I love the lore too, i have 15 books,got few loremaster achievements,but the lore is also ruined since BFA. Plundestorm is truly a step in the right direction

[@bonestryke5391]

I LOVE this comment, agreed!!! The sub situation definitely needs to be addressed.

[@lumikarhu]

sylvanas did nothing wrong though. made me come back after a few year hiatus. too bad they got rid of her though, so i stopped playing again. should've stayed the cheftain of the horde, it was so badass. she had larger balls than any other one too, to finally induce pvp instead of all the peaceful trash. also, kosovo je srbija

[@roky7772]

Da skupo je bome

[@NCSGeek]

This has happened to me with Destiny 2. It's just a treadmill with the reward of the continuation of a story I'm invested in, and the parts of the gameplay I actually enjoy. It's heartbreaking.

[@AttentionDeficitGuy]

Yeah, as he was talking about the reasons he dropped retail WoW, it all sounded VERY familiar as a (lapsed) Destiny player

[@adamvance2973]

This is 100% how I feel. So much has changed in my life over the years since I started in wrath. I don’t have the time I used to but I still love the game. But I just can’t keep up with all the systems and items in the game. I log in after an absence and have no idea what half the items were for. I want to play classic but that stuff is so figured out now that if I don’t have the exact right BiS I feel like I’m doing something wrong. I am so excited all day to play but as soon as I finish being an adult and log in, I’m overwhelmed thinking what I need to do so I log out and play something single player.

[@magnum862000]

I did a BFD last night and the latest DBM wasn’t working so we cleared it without DBM. Honestly it was awesome and more challenging than something just telling you what to do. I really like some of the points people made here and I just wanted to highlight what would be a good fix (similar ff14 approach): 1) no addons period, this includes combat log data for wcl purposes. 2) game ui allows more customization to move bars, move ui elements, etc. to add customization. 3) the game will recognize your performance based on all factors (not just dps, like doing mechanics) and give you a grade for your performance so you know how you did and only you can see. Could implement a reward system for good performance but this is delicate as it could lead to gatekeeping

[@MrMastermind790]

Totally agree Asmon I actually just ordered my first ever PC a Star Forge! And I have always wanted to try WoW but I feel overwhelmed starting it and have no idea where to meet people who wont mind helping out a first time player.

[@lostxwoods6702]

You will probably never see this message, but I would like to say your take is 100% accurate for me. I am one of those "would-be new players" that feels deterred by the game's current state. There was a time not too long ago where I was interested in checking out WoW, but after I looked into it I realized it would take a HUGE time investment to be at all decent at the game. I would have spend hours researching the past content to know how things got to where they are in the game currently so I'm up to speed, spend time researching what addons are needed and why, spend time downloading and setting up those addons, spend time to look into what content I should be setting as my goals throughout my progression, spend time learning the meta, and then after all that comes the time investment to actually get my character endgame. Also, lets be real, I would also have to either find a group/guild willing to take me in under their wing, or never get anywhere. I've played MMOs before, so I am not afraid of the grind, the learning curve for raids, or even farming gear, but tacking on all of this other mess just makes the game feel not worth it to me. It would take WAY too much to get to the point where I actually get to be relevant with my character so I can enjoy beating content as a contributing party member.

[@RealWaffles]

i ended up skipping wow and going to private servers because guilds would advertise themselves to new players. they'll powerlevel you and gear you and show you what to do and you'll be raiding in a week. or if you want a learning experience with classic wow a lot of players have flocked to turtle wow which is a very slow paced version of vanilla with some tbc and custom content sewn in. i had so much trouble finding a guild in retail that would help me and the communities in private servers are so much better for new players.

[@apheliongod2837]

With all due respect most of this is just wrong when it comes to dragonflight. I understand the complaints about addons they are rlly annoying to set up the first time and it's stupid that you need them to enjoy the harder content of the game. But on your other complaints, 1. There is no reason whatsoever to research past content unless ur rlly interested in lore. You simply hop into endgame content and there are two grinds (raid and mythic+) 2. The meta doesn't matter at all until you get to super high end keys and it completely shifts every season so just play what you think looks cool and by the time you are good at it there is a good chance it will be in the meta (except ww monk god forbid) 3. WoW is probably the fastest mmo to get to endgame content besides maybe GW2. This might be a problem you just have with mmos but it is not unique to wow. 4. I have thouroughly enjoyed these last few seasons and got the main achievements people shoot for almost fully through public lobbies. Although of course its nice to make friends along the way. I would say it takes around a week to get end game on ur first character and then depending on if you boost or not it takes like a couple hours - a couple days for any alts.

[@itslit1998]

Wtf are ypu talking about the "current state of the game" the game is better then it has been simce years dragonflight is one of the best xpacs wow ever had the gameplay, zones, raid and dungeons are so fkn good. All the required grinds to play the game properly and gain power are compleatly gone. Its 100% the best modern xpac

[@MajesticDweller]

Guys the game is trash, it was good at the time but now it’s trash man. They could have done it right but they didn’t

[@itslit1998]

@@MajesticDweller why is it trash? You cant even say whats bad about it because you dont play it xD

[@dyadventures4685]

I've never played wow before but thunderstorm specifically looks really fun. I would love to try it out if the barrier to entry was easier.

[@akraen1858]

I have a long history with the game and can't bring myself to play retail for the same reasons as you. But you know what hit me? This is a silly, small detail, but damn I hope you read this. On SoD, something I love now is knowing that when I pvp with the events or BGs, I'm not just working towards gear that'll be replaced next phase. I am getting some useful gear now, but I'll also be getting gear at 50 and at 60 from those factions. There is something HUGE about knowing you're working towards building a future for your character. Progression that doesn't just evaporate. I think that's where we are after over a decade of dopamine abuse.

[@fungiferous404]

"I played Legion 7 years ago....oh god...." I get it, bro. I get it.

[@AK-pq5ss]

Seven????!!!!

[@MrhibyeTV]

You're very right about add-ons. They're building the content around UI and mechanics that aren't even supposed to be in the game.

[@MightiestBeard]

I big change coming for me, a casual person who has always liked dungeons but not really M+, is the dungeon difficulty changes in season 4. That seems like a change that suits that middle 80% like you mentioned. Hopefully more things like that to come. I agree with what you said about the philosophy behind Plunderstorm, though I don't enjoy the mode very much personally. A LOT of how I feel about the game is going to hinge on how good War Within is. Delves specifically have my attention.

[@daniellucas8801]

I miss watching his mount farm videos. His reactions are the reason I started mount farming myself !

[@Lexsed]

Really good points, agree wholesale. Especially the minmaxing and addon over-saturation genuinely ruining the game in the long run. I played Season of Discovery up to level 25 with no addons and it was the most fun I’ve had in wow since Legion. Also the amount of comments here pointing out the glow/camera is hilarious and original and we definitely need more of them as I’m sure you’re the first person who noticed it

[@bonestryke5391]

Excellent comment, agreed. The camera comments have pissed me off to no end.

[@kyler8371]

I played classic wow with my wife for almost a year straight. My wife and I have never played mouse and keyboard, and there’s a specific mod called consoleport that lets you use a controller to play World of Warcraft. It was the only on we used, but for people like me, I couldn’t play the game without it.

[@endgamerlvl1]

As someone who bounces from mouse and keyboard to xbox controller on my pc, i cant for the life of me understand how anyone could ever play wow with a controller and actually be able to fully utilize your class. I tried Balders Gate 3 with controller and the UI was so terrible to navigate compared to mouse and keyboard ui, i couldnt play with it for more than an hour before i had to switch back. Addon or no, not for me lol , but glad it worked for yall

[@godpop]

​@@endgamerlvl1that's because you can use both (let's be honest you probably barely use control), someone that's been using one device their whole life will not want to use another or they simply do not like Mnk.

[@kyler8371]

@@endgamerlvl1 the right stick essentially acts as the mouse, and the left stick acts as your WASD movement. If you’re familiar with how Final Fantasy 14 let’s players use their controller, wow is very similar with the add on. Each ability is mapped to a different button, and then pressing L2, or R2 takes you to a different screen with more abilities. Pressing in on the right stick acts as a right click, pressing in on the left stick acts as a left click. It’s a little jank, but it was still easier for me to use than figure out MNK.

[@slavaukraini1991]

It happened a lot earlier in Everquest 1s timeline but theres a lot of parallels with basically giving new or long time absence people way more to consider and its too much for 80% of them

[@passman36]

This hit the nail on the head. I never really got into WoW. I played every other MMO but this one. I recently thought about playing it, but as a new player it just feels like there’s too much going on. Especially with the addons and such. Normally I just say forget it and I’ll go play something familiar or try out something else instead.

[@kosha3262]

Yeah i am a big Fan of the game and the games is so optimized that i've stopped playing retails, because i was tired of sitting for 3hours (after work) just trying to find a group to play with (if you want to do M+ or Rated Bg) which is a shame. and i've started playing classic and god it feel refreshing i'm 23 of years and so i've never got to experienced it glad they added sod

[@HeyMyNameIs...]

Asmongold looks like he maxed out his Faith build so hard that he's glowing.

[@mweh6915]

He put all his skill stats on charisma 😂😂

[@ivokupanovac5353]

I know exactly why Plunderstorm is limited only for one reason is MONEY! Make people resub, it is what they want! Where is the patch for World of Warcraft? ZERO!!! Blizzard gave up on retail!!! It is unbelievable!

[@ignskeletons]

I think games like Elder Scrolls Online and Guild Wars 2 have been good examples of gear not being devalued by every expansion. Sometimes gear from past expansions can be BIS for certain scenarios or give you reason to even go back and replay old content to grind out old sets.

[@everquestonline1600]

Eh most legacy sets are garbage in eso.

[@Baltelar]

I've been playing gw2 since HoT expansion and still run the gear from those days today. Being honest, the game is still more fun than wow ever was to me, even without gear chasing every new expansion... I don't know... maybe the treadmill he speaks of is real o.0

[@sargetun]

This is so spot on for how I have felt since Legion expansion. Coming back constantly to see a friend who only started playing again in that patch, while you were BiS last patch, they already have better gear a few days in. I can not wait to try the BR, I have been loving classic due to the above issue, but I also love retail, quite conflicted. Would love to put time into retail again but as everyone and Asmon states, it really feels like you are not getting value out of the time you spend

[@sjtaylor0]

Man, you've summed up my personal viewpoint down to the letter. I'm an older dude who still likes a challenge but can't no-life it like I did back in the day. I just don't feel like the game is for me anymore. I love World of Warcraft, I just hate playing the game. If they opened retail servers with no boosts, no transfers, no addons and no parsing it might just tempt me back!

[@ArcAngelRyse]

I wanted to tryout the new battle royale but when I saw it limited to subscribers and the even was limited as well I just couldn't find myself paying for subscription for a game mode that could've been its only standalone thing. It looks fun and I was only interested after seeing you play it for awhile otherwise would've never known about it as I never bothered to get a subscription last time I did was 2016 :P

[@QBDLettuce]

I used to play WoW back in the day. Vanilla, BC and WOTLK. What I loved originally about WoW, primarily during Vanilla, was the sense of a vast, explorable world with players roaming everywhere. The concept of MMO's was very new, and so it was incredible to be pioneers in that way. The map and landscape was crafted with love, the paths from province to province were exciting and immersive to explore and travel on. Running into other travellers on paths to places felt very cool and immersive. To then reach a new biome/town, explore it, its story and do some quests for some rewards before getting back on the road. With BC, it definitely was the start of the feeling I had that, that the map was more "streamlined" for "questing". The kind of questing that you don't even bother reading the text of, just hit accept, complete and want the shortest route to the next spot to do it again. It started feeling cold and calculated more than a living world, but it was new content so we were all excited. WOTLK further confirmed that "streamlining" was the route the game was taking because it's what the hardcore players wanted. They didn't want to have to travel far and explore (defeating the point in my opinion), they just wanted to get through the "questing" as fast as possible to focus on dungeons (which were way too sweaty for any normal player). As I got to the "end game" of WOTLK, I slowly began stepping away from playing entirely, as it just didn't seem like the game that originally got my attention. The questing felt soulless and like it merely existed for XP, rather than providing a living world to participate in. That's my 2 cents. More like 4 cents even. 😅

[@joel345]

I think you've nailed it to be honest. I think part of the problem as well is that the idea of a vast online explorable world isn't really a novel idea anymore. When WoW came out social media wasn't really a thing and the way that you met and interacted with people online was through games like WoW. Now as WoW tries to pivot towards where the gaming industry has headed, has become almost like a hub game with everyone just sitting in cities where they queue. Unfortunately I'm not really sure what the solution to this is.

[@xNathyRibeiro]

Yep, the best part for me was always leveling, when I got to the end game it always started to get boring. I also used to love the journey the night elves had to do just to reach Stormwind, before SW got a port.

[@nemanjagavrilovic8812]

@@joel345 The brother nailed it to the coffin with his explanation! And I belive the solution is getting back to the roots of what the game once was with newer gamedev tech and refined systems. It can also be as immersive as it once was, they need world of warcraft 2 with newer graphics (which should retain old cartoonish/stylized estethics but just with newer flavour. Same with everything else...traveling, exploring, it can be raised to a such higher level, but you need game devs with heart not profit/lootbox zombies who are just interested in MONEY MONEY MONEY!!! :)

[@jeremyfairchild]

thats why i been liking SoD..while its easy mode there is still alot of new stuff to learn

[@Aethelhald]

Same for me, more or less. I didn't feel the world got "smaller" during BC but I definitely did in WotLK when the only thing everybody was doing 24/7 was sitting in Dalarin in group finder and the world was empty. Second time around though (after Classic came out) I couldn't get in to BC or WotLK. In BC I made it to 70 and did 1 run of Kara before quitting back to vanilla, and when WotLK came out I didn't even make it out of the starter zone in Northrend. BC and WotLK felt soulless and dead this time around in a way they didn't back in the day, but vanilla feels perfect. It feels like my home. For me, with WoW, it's vanilla or nothing. I just don't care at all about any of the expansions. They made perfection with vanilla WoW and everything after it is a massive downgrade.

[@bigup6641]

Every time Asmongold releases videos like this, I can feel the warmth from the burning asses on Twitter from my own monitor

[@sanji663]

🔥🔥🔥👌

[@Danielbrown-zv1ck]

Nah, this video hasn't mentioned any of his usual trigger words like woke, cancelled, toxic, etc. It won't get the same level of heat haha.

[@kristianlarsen9891]

I do kinda agree, although I think it depends your motivation for the game. I startede in november 2023 reachead to 2600 m+ rating as a tank. But I cant deny I feel like I have used alot of time on it. And yes I was a new player. So ofc it possible for a new player to get decent at wow

[@verjason]

I came from games like Dark Age of Camelot into WoW on release. I played a cleric DAoC. Mobs hitting you would always interrupt casting, you could combat rez if you had the half a bar of mana it took to do so, what you did meant something. No add-ons and enough downtime between pulls to be able to interact with your party members. WoW made a lot of things much easier, but I feel that also made the experience less valuable to me. I played WoW up until BC and then lost interest as a casual player as it all got too sweaty, even back then. I agree with Asmon, get rid of parsing, get rid of add-ons and let's get back to player skill being the only measure. People will know your name if you are good and you will be more than a collection of add-ons and parse logs.

[@junnutube]

SUP YALL IT'S ME, IT'S YA BOI ASMONGOLD

[@RadioactiveDinosaur]

It is what it is

[@Antidepressiva1980]

What a day @@RadioactiveDinosaur

[@thephilosopher7173]

“Hello Guys and Gals, me Asmond, and whoa ho ho hi [insert topic pun here]

[@NikolussTV]

Asmonghost

[@ocelotRev]

*ASMONGLOW

[@str3ss224]

saw this in recommended, just wanted to say i enjoy listen to these discussion type videos keep it up!!!

[@iamkevinbeach]

Completely relate and appreciate what you said at the end!

[@frankgumball5039]

Recently decided to give retail wow a go, i did the tutorial island then got dropped in stormwind and was totally lost. I ended up starting BFA as a timewalk like the game wanted and noped out after twenty minutes. The whole thing was really alienating as a new player.

[@seanheisey8645]

I’m 1000% on board with addons and parsing. The amount of anxiety I feel as a dps needing to perform constantly is really not fun. I want to perform well but more than that, I wanna just have fun killing dragons with my friends without being hyper analyzed and judged 🤷‍♂️

[@Slimchoppa69]

parsing will kill sod @@chrisbalcu4033

[@cj426]

​@@chrisbalcu4033not everyone wants a medal, especially from playing wow lol. Some people just wanna have fun.

[@alzahelb6053]

​@@chrisbalcu4033 And the game dying is a you issue 😉

[@unholyxeras8182]

​@@chrisbalcu4033he doesn't want a medal. He just wants to be able to have *fun* in a *game* ...imagine that? Unfortunately WoW is full of toxic tryhards and sweaty parse Andy's, so it becomes a chore instead. Wow is dying, and it's not Blizzard that's ruining it, it's the players

[@vtxshiva]

@@chrisbalcu4033It's a game, not the Olympics. You don't get any medals and nobody's going to date you because you beat Mythic Fyrakk or got a M+24 key done week one. If you want to pursue mastery, that's fine. Do it for yourself. But spare others the theatrics.

[@elite1234564]

You know i play Classic (Original Classic) and I’ve thought about this about parsing a lot, I’m a 95+ average parser on multiple toons and I can tell you besides some gear I’m missing on my main my LK parse is trash because I have to do set mechanics for my mains class and in order for me to parse it I would need to piss off my RL and just go Zug mode. If parsing wasn’t a thing I wouldn’t have to see it and I would probably have more enjoyment at just doing the raid while hoping to get upgrades and once I get bis I can just play when I feel like it and not like it’s a job that I need to go every week to try and get a better parse on said boss.

[@vespermoirai975]

I started playing again in Dragonflight. I never played retail before this point though. When I was younger since we were not at a super great off so I never had enough to pay for a sub. So I played on Private Servers. That was a looooooong time ago. So I basically forgot everything except for Silvermoon/Tristfall Wanted to start it fresh. Started a new character and was exploring. Which is what Dragonflight was supposed to of brough back. Progression, (By dragon at least.), and, Adventure. I can't get my friends to come try it because of the barrier to entry. Specifically having to buy the game and another sub since we also play FinalFantasyXIV. I know how hardcore some of the players are about numbers. I also know I don't have the amount of time to put into it to get the best gear or even raid. So. Going into it and knowing it was about being on adventure. I was fine with it. Playing solo can be a bummer sometimes. But, I also like being able to get lost in a world i heard so much about and was never able to soak it in while it was in it's prime. Can go into the older content and just imagine how epic that shit was when I was younger. Still kind of bummed I won't be able to get into raids (or at least current raids...) kinda sucks. The adventure is still nice. Very relaxing too.

[@stephaniephouotrides2435]

As a former purple parser, I agree, disable add-ons

[@thrive8106]

Purple 😂

[@SplendidKunoichi]

Former 😂

[@Horsedief]

Started back in WoTLK, played hunter appropriately named Legholas. Had no clue what was going on but I had tons of fun. Became awe inspired by Malygos in Coldarra. Learned you could fight him whilst riding a Drake! Got the abbreviation "EOE" whispered to me by deathwing. Gathered a bunch of hotheaded compatriots who love scales as much as I do. Arrived without a key.... Godbless by sheer luck we had a godgamer with an amazing keyring under his belt, the excitement was of the charts. Proceeded to wipe for 3 hours straight, learned my rotation then and there. Finally bested the aspect of magic. Won the "Blue aspect helm" my 1st raid item ever. I continued to play with some of those guys for over 10 years. i'm still playing but those moments are gone forever.

[@Patty-ku3me]

I've been playing WoW since vanilla. I stepped away from the game completely about 7 months ago, and before that my play was just a little here and there, and the reason is for the exact reasons you talk about in this video. Thank you Asmondgold for hitting the nail on the head for me!

[@Spidersauce88]

I felt the same way playing Escape from Tarkov, every wipe reset me back to the start with everyone and its demoralizing to keep grinding out the same content and building up gear

[@cory9919]

I think what this demonstrates is the flexibility of wows engine for very different types of games and that is actually really cool and something they should continue to explore

[@lolimmune]

I love asmon going back to this format.