WOW! This Makeup MLM is DONE! Are others next? + Patrick Starrr Selling One/Size Beauty? | Top News

[@pharmdmacileigh]

Hi Jen! Unless I missed something, wasn’t the commission rate for $15,000+ 45%?

[@jenluv]

Oh shit!! My original calculations were right!!!! Dammit!!!

[@tracysammes6782]

@@pharmdmacileigh I was just going to say the same!

[@MiaBostic]

Was about to say this! 😅

[@ChrystalVanDusseldorp]

It still seems pretty unattainable 😬

[@MiaBostic]

​It comes to about 42/hour and 6,750.00 a month, all untaxed so you will need lots of right offs to not owe a lot! ​@@jenluv

[@mayaflici374]

If you failed at an MLM business, you didn't fail. You did exactly what the industry wanted of you: becoming a product of the product.

[@lees3178]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Lskm09]

❤

[@HolldollMcG]

Yes!!! MLMs are *designed* for over 99%% of people to lose money annually so the fraction of a percent of people at the top can gain from that loss.

[@QuickWorksBeauty]

Absolutely! Ask me how I know😊

[@maryeckel9682]

Absolutely. These people got shafted. I hope they don't just get reeled into another damn scam.

[@mirandacoulter888]

MLMs primary victims are middle class (usually) religious moms. They target that “mom guilt.” Oh, you work? Shouldn’t you be spending more time with your kids? We can help you with that! Or - oh, you don’t work? Shouldn’t you be helping your spouse financially support your family? We can help with that! They target that sense of failure. That whatever path you choose won’t be enough. Obviously, they’ll take anyone who wants to sign up. But their motivation tactics often work best on those who are riding that line financially.

[@Ecumba]

I’ll piggy back off that and bring up the immense swarms of latina women… Representatives prey on those that just migrated over and have no jobs or credentials. I can’t tell you how much of the church MLM sellers take up :/

[@LittleLavenderLaughter]

Breaks my heart

[@ChristieeeMc]

@@mirandacoulter888 “ middle class “ is a stretch… there is little middle class left at all. “Lower middle class” or “women in near poverty” might be more appropriate. These brands SEEK women who want to move up economically

[@MammaJamma23]

You are absolutely correct 💯. Why do I say that, you ask? Unfortunately, I was one of those people! I stayed home with the kids, and I got the “wouldn’t you love to be able to continue staying home but actually get paid to stay home and be a Mom?” Ugh! I also got the “wouldn’t you love to use the product and be a walking billboard? You’ll easily lose all the baby weight, and people will ask you all the time what you’re using, and you can make an easy sale right there.” It makes me sick to my stomach to think back and know I was weak and so gullible! Needless to say, I didn’t make a penny, but I definitely lost more than a few! Oh…and I didn’t lose ANY of the baby weight with those products! Modere is a freaking JOKE, and Jessie Lee (sp?) was crazy!

[@daniellemartin9896]

They also target moms of chronically I'll or disabled children, and military spouses. They target the most vulnerable people who would have a hard time securing a stable income and prey on them

[@jowiens32]

My niece was selling Monat, I don’t know if she still is or what happened but she worked her way up to the trips and big money. She was one of the top sellers in North America. In the process she lost friends and alienated family. Honestly I feel bad for her. She has a degree and could be working in a high paying job, but she chose to stay at home and raise her family. These are the target for MLM’s, SAHM’s and people with disabilities that cant’ work full time. Disgusting.

[@montananerd8244]

I realized when I got “magically thin” due to a chronic illness, that if I pretended i lost weight through a product, because I was actually starving & was losing weight very quickly, I could prob do quite well using social media for income & repping an MLM. I have a mind that thinks of things like that lol, but immediately realized it would be so evil that I could never do that AND I’d end up with only fake mlm friends in my life. But I will say, it feels like a large chunk of American women are actively trying to get scammed. At some point, we need to either check and see if something’s wrong with people’s 🧠 or announce that we cannot spend more public money on helping them if over 250 warnings have already been issued. There’s a much bigger problem going on and I’m kind of tired of having to muster sympathy for people with normal cognitive skills who actively choose this. I found out in 1997 how this all worked & have shared that info, to absolutely no avail. If you choose to be dumb and kinda evil, you probably will get screwed over, and quite frankly, good! These ladies are bad actors with weird motives that disrupt everyone else’s lives. No more sympathy.

[@laurenday1711]

@@montananerd8244 well said!

[@eustacia03]

Yes this! MLMs are popular in conservative religious circles because women aren't "allowed" to have "jobs" but for some reason working non-stop to sell an MLM doesn't count. It's desperation and boredom that sucks these people in.

[@livesouthernable]

@@eustacia03some of that is the case, but it’s also the case that women produce multiple children, not understanding how expensive it is to care for them. You fall into a scenario where you can’t afford to stay at home with them, nor can you afford the daycare costs if you work. Desperation sets in and MLMs target desperate people.

[@maryeckel9682]

Monat is sinking fast! I hope she realizes her true value and gets out of MLM .

[@hcindy007]

My sister just told me about Seint makeup because she knew a girl from school that tried to recruit her. She said she did indeed cry about it on Facebook. I’m very anti-mlm after a really terrible experience with one. I think these mlm’s are shifting to affiliate programs largely due to a very negative public opinion, lawsuits and the ftc. I think this is a good thing and will make the business a lot less predatory. I still won’t buy just because I heard that their products are overpriced and don’t perform well.

[@LittleLavenderLaughter]

Ive never heard of them until this vid tbh

[@brendacoulter2173]

Way back in the late ‘70’s, my mom got involved in the Shaklee cult. She found she was great at sales, so she got her realtor and broker licenses. This lead to her having a great career for 30 years.

[@maryeckel9682]

So she got out?

[@brendacoulter2173]

@@maryeckel9682 oh yeah. We used Basic H for just about everything for a while.

[@vanessaa7602]

Now THAT'S a girl boss! 👏

[@jessgilbert5586]

All of the MLM girlies who love to say “I get paid to share a product that I love!!!” Are about to find out what that actually looks like vs being laid to recruit others to sell under them lol

[@erika2m16]

It's funny cause they're not even paid to post! They advertise for free. It's unpaid labor that the company benefits from

[@chelle_destiny]

I feel like these companies are starting to worry about this model either being strongly regulated or even made illegal soon. Especially with all of the lawsuits & news coming out of Monat. So they’re scrambling to change.

[@montananerd8244]

I think regulation is iffy, with the current political climate, but I am guessing that the lawsuits are hitting them hard AND they may think they can break into the insane sales numbers on TikTok, but that feels like a micro trend. I think it’s funny because it seems like oversaturation of the market is the major issue in fact, but if they get scared and reorganize, all the better.

[@chelle_destiny]

@@montananerd8244 I dunno. The FTC has been quite busy lately with regulations. I wouldn’t doubt it if they alter their MLM guidelines soon.

[@glitterberserker1029]

I doubt it. Mlms spend huge amounts on lobbying. They are pretty enmeshed into the government. Betsy Devos', Trump's secretary of education, family owns an mlm. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see any substantial charges to the industry happening any time soon.

[@sherryelle225]

@@glitterberserker1029Why does that not surprise me.

[@mus1quenonst0p]

@@montananerd8244exactly - good luck on any crackdown. the FTC just lost its power to make decision with the recent SCOTUS ruling over the Chevron Deference

[@kaydiglawson7767]

As a 43 year old woman i feel like i did not tell enough younger women about mlm's. I lesrned about them at 19 when i went for a job interview listed as a cutting edge job in the cosmetic industry. When i showed up theu wanted me to go door to door to sell knock off perfumes.

[@shelleys490]

OMG! same thing happened to me 17 and fresh out of high school.

[@Allison-jj1vq]

Some of the counters at Nordstrom’s cosmetic department probably don’t do 15,000 a month.

[@ibk7737]

I really doubt Sephora's ability to last in the UK (as a British citizen). Britain is dominated by Boots and Superdrug which has really good points/rewards systems. Hearing that Sephora's points can only be used towares sample size items sounds like a joke to be honest. With Boots and Superdrug I can use my points towards products, and they always have great deals. I'm honestly unsure on what their differentiator will be here. Boots has more luxury brands than Superdrug, whilst Superdrug caters towards the younger gen. What can Seohora offer, except a lackluster rewards system?

[@Chemist_mama]

Exactly. In the US, I strayed away from Sephora years ago because 1) Ulta started carrying most of the brands I regularly purchased and 2) Ulta’s rewards program is WAY better. If Sephora switched to a points system that translated into dollars/pounds off towards future purchases, they’d do MUCH better.

[@mus1quenonst0p]

@@Chemist_mamathat’s true. i’m still a bit addicted to both, but clean beauty has me ready to protest with my $$

[@maryeckel9682]

Sephora is just not worth it.

[@LittleLavenderLaughter]

​@@maryeckel9682 never was tbh

[@di3486]

I buy directly from the brands, when they do their 20-30% and more events.

[@montananerd8244]

Just a reminder that it is 110% normal for founders to sell. It’s how it works most of the time. Founder often has a clear personal vision, and if they own 51%, it is their call, but smart founders realize that once there are full time career employees & contracts & a whole economic flow, that they rarely have all the knowledge needed to adjust their specific vision so that it does not negatively effect that infrastructure. Often founders, even in the non profit world, cannot see how the company has changed positively by adding other people with visions of their own, or they won’t be reasonable about plans and imperil their employees. I admire Patrick for knowing when it’s time to go, it seems he’s built something very strong and is now leaving operations, something he’s not expert in, to the people who can take it from here. A founder leaving voluntarily & head held high is a beautiful thing, plus it’s just so much work & at the top, getting life balance sometimes hurts everyone below you. Best to exit gracefully & keep on doing new things or retire into a leisure life!

[@Amanda.DelRae]

You cannot use MLMs on a resume. Every hiring manager I’ve ever spoken to will tell you it is a bad sign and not to add it to a resume. They are not effective sellers (even if they “did well” in an MLM) and their selling tactics they used in MLMs are really just bad habits that real companies don’t want to have to help them unlearn.

[@daniellemartin9896]

Right it's a dead giveaway that you have poor decision making skills, are okay with unethical behavior and predatory practices and in most cases have probably committed ftc violations and companies can't risk that. But, there are definitely some industries where if you've made it high enough in an MLM that would absolutely be a positive to them

[@BistrosHouse]

Im all for MLMs no longer being MLMs, but I won’t support any brands that branched into MLM territory ever

[@LittleLavenderLaughter]

Valid

[@tdsollog]

Just say no to MLMs.

[@LittleLavenderLaughter]

💯💯💯

[@bobbienami7981]

Hey Jen, love your content. I was "recruited " to Younique during lockdown. The girl I signed up under has over 10,000 in her downline. She makes a ton if money, just built her dream home. She had lists of things to do to help you sell. So, following her examples I am now thousands of dollars in debt for clothes, jewelry, and of course makeup. I will be dead before I could ever use it all. I still cry at night thinking of having to pay this off. I thought I was going to be a online sensation making a ton of money, retiring my husband so he doesn't have to work anymore. That is bull×××× they tell you. I never made a dime except selling to myself. Thank you for doing this. Ugh 😞

[@Sleipnirseight]

I hope that laws will be put in place soon that will allow victims of MLMs to file class action lawsuits. Absolutely horrible how many thousands of people are in the same position as you due to predatory companies.

[@bobbienami7981]

@@Sleipnirseight thank you, I truly appreciate it ❤️

[@mus1quenonst0p]

i am so sorry you got sucked into that evil. i hope you make it out.

[@bobbienami7981]

@mus1quenonst0p I have made it out. I tried to delete my emails and accounts but no matter what I do there is an email EVERYDAY telling me there is a new "very important" message waiting for me at my younique account about MY money which is a joke because there is no MY money. IT IS ALL THEIR MONEY!!!

[@michelleireton9191]

That term, "retiring my husband" is a total MLM phrase and is so cringe. Have you ever heard a doctor or business woman refer to "retiring my husband"?.

[@ReadingRandomly]

I'm old and I used to "sell" Mary Kay. Not actually, I had 3 friends who we all liked specific products (I still love their original red lipstick that was the BEST color). We would get together every six months, place an order and each get the 50% price. I feel like I'm one of the few who scammed the MLM because I never sold a damn thing, recruited a person or did anything other than get over-priced make-up for a reasonable price. I stopped doing it when they cancelled my red lip.

[@MichelleHenleyJohnson]

My mom did the same thing. Her customers were me and my two aunts. 😂

[@jouxlskaard]

RESPECT i love this 🫡

[@smoochesnfeathers9493]

Me too, I started selling during my 1st wedding. I loved the Satin Hands and Satin lips. This was in 2009, and then the complexion products weren't that inclusive. Then I kinda got in trouble for wearing complexion products from other brands because it wasn't available in Mary Kay. So I stopped selling it. How can you so called "reprimand" me for wearing something that wasn't available for me?? Like I was obviously waiting for Mary Kay to release more shades. 😂😂😂😂 But ill still use their skincare though.

[@funsizedi88]

My neighbor did that as well. Only ever "sold" it at Christmas time to a couple neighbors when whe was placing a big order for her 5 daughters/granddaughters and self.

[@sashawhyte7396]

@@smoochesnfeathers9493 Mary Kay skincare has a good reputation

[@SimpleTides]

I joined an Amway MLM called World Wide Dream Builders, They were religious and cult like, I am lucky I didn't stay as long as my friends and their family. They cost me around 5k and years of self reflection. For those wondering I was in the Baker Org.

[@maryeckel9682]

Those Amway offshoots are so wild to me.

[@pyrusmalus7158]

Someone I used to work with just joined a MLM because their son has a condition that they sell products for. I thought she had been hacked when I saw her posting about it but then she started posting videos reviewing the products in her kitchen. Is heart breaking and I have my fingers crossed that maybe this company will help rather than just recruiting.

[@mayaflici374]

There's no such thing as an MLM company that "helps" rather than recruiting. It's made for you to bring more people, even if they have products, those products aren't the focus of the company, selling the "dream" is.

[@Just.Bailey]

That's so hard. Pehaps similarly, I have a family member who's an MLM rep because they want a discount on their own purchases, and if anyone buys something it's a bonus.

[@bettawitch4606]

They will NOT help. There are only predatory.

[@staceymccann8340]

I also have a friend that just recently joined for the whole liquid collagen crap whatever that one is and I want so bad to warn her but you can’t really warn those people

[@bettawitch4606]

@@staceymccann8340 Its so hard too warn them. It's seems so simple to us but they get so sure of themselves. The only thing we can do is not buy the crap you know they are going to ask us to! lol

[@foxxxyg]

It’s so sad hearing the passion from that MLM gal. She should totally open an Etsy shop or her own boutique because she has the passion and mind for creating a real legacy for herself.

[@mariamarchetti1574]

Jen, I love your outfit. The colors are so pretty and look great on you. Your hair and makeup looks great too! ❤

[@jenluv]

Thank you so much!!!

[@eh1126]

18:43 this lady is speaking with conviction because that is what she does, she’s the typical personality type that thrives on these MLMs because she’s good at telling people what they want to hear to manipulate them. She was probably a top recruiter at the MLM.

[@nikitatavernitilitvynova]

What makes me wonder is did the ftc or whoever is in charge nudge them about being a legal pyramid scheme? If so that makes sense that they would remove the recruitment aspect. Also high commison rates have been accounted for already in any mlm product. They already cost so much to allow commissions to be paid. If you remove the commission cost you get the actual price the makeup should be sold in retail withoht the middle man salesman getting the commissions paid to them.

[@Lskm09]

The MLM talking points are so cringe! 😬 Also, it is toxic positivity, and I got sucked into it and was left broke ALL ALONE. No “sisters” or “family” from the MLM was there for me. Those friendships are based on finances, if you are financially beneficial to them, you’re the best!! If not, they discard you. SMH. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@arit2000]

Sephora in Spain has a sh*t loyalty program but we have sales every month or even twice a month with a 20-25% discount. Last weekend the discount was a 35% for Gold members like me, and still some products were cheaper in other retailers. The competition is brutal, so they better come with something original soon, or they will be out of the market.

[@eringannon2591]

Had a coworker, she was 21 and had to file for bankruptcy because of an MLM. The girl was generally AWFUL with money but the pyramid scheme did her in

[@LittleLavenderLaughter]

Wishing the best for her 🥺

[@blakeley-shea]

I use to work for Mascara beauty for about 6 months (before an artist sued and Cara changed the name to Seint) and I didn’t like the way I felt bc my up line was always pushing me to make sales but I actually didn’t like the makeup so I left. But here’s the kicker, I had earned money that was put on my Mascara Card which I EARNED AND WAS RIGHTFULLY MINE, but as soon as I quit they blocked my card of my earned commissions! It’s also true that when I left, my “friends” were no longer my friends…

[@jessgilbert5586]

TBT to when Seint first opened their MLM structure and did almost a million in sales within the first quarter… but it was literally only sales to women who had signed up to sell the product… like girls that is not the flex you think it is!

[@plainegrace5712]

I was an Avon representative decades ago. I never lost money because I didn't have to pay anything up front. I was never pushed to recruit or anything. I wasn't very good at it, simply because I am not in any way entrepreneurial. I just did some research and it seems very much the same, updated for a more digital world.

[@fw3614]

Avon wasn't an MLM until 2005 I believe. Before that it was salespeople with specific terretories.

[@inkedbossbabe2409]

Avon is a very good company.

[@ronnie-lynn]

I lost thousands of points at Sephora. I want to say in 2019. I can’t remember exactly why or what happened but I just remember losing all of them. I’ve stopped shopping there except the odd thing here there over the years. 😮

[@whitajeman]

My IG feed has been full of rage and tears from all the ladies who I follow (people I knew in HS) who are saying they are "loosing their jobs" and just devastated. But I'm realizing they are upset to loose their down lines and that income thay comes with it. Sadly (imo) most of them have already jumped into a new MLM

[@mus1quenonst0p]

ugh! now it’s a “job”, but i’ll bet they convinced everyone that they built their own businesses when things were good.

[@christinamoller4342]

One little side issue I have with the seller making 25-45% off the sale, and you know the big-wigs are certainly going to take their unfair share, what kind of a mark-up is the customer paying? I don’t feel like MLMs are capable of doing anything fairly. I’ve seen Beauty Counter at Ulta, and they certainly aren’t cheap. I also think they if the seller does so much work to sell the product and the customer doesn’t use your code, you just did all that work for nothing. These MLMs are still just protecting themselves and dismissive of the employees. Nothing new in big business.

[@tifinity]

Yes exactly! I don't see this enough; if multiple levels are all getting a cut how much are people getting overcharged to pay for that?

[@dollymamabeauty6114]

My Best Friend is an artist, and she has worked her ass off to get where she is and she is devastated. I am devastated for her. I have never tried the makeup, and wasn't really intersted in it because i always knew the comapany for what it was. I do feel badly for all of these women that have hustled their way to the top. She has a massive downline too. I have nothing against anyone who decides to participate in sales through an MLM but I don't buy from them either if that makes sense.

[@Nicole-gk3pv]

I have said this before and I am going to say it again. This where the light bulb goes on and people realize that being part of an mlm is NOT the same as owning your own business. When a person owns their own business they are making decisions on the business model. No one makes that decision for you. You may make changes to your business model depending on changes in the economy or evolving ways to offer your business. Ultimately that is your decision to make.

[@littlereddstar5264]

Like you mentioned in one of your previous videos, TikTok Shop is changing the way a lot of people shop. So let’s say these folks start selling on TT, a platform that targets a younger audience (like “Sephora Kids”) who doesn’t know about the backstory of these MLM companies.

[@mus1quenonst0p]

someone should get on TT and start the story!!

[@malicewithalice]

There are a ton of anti MLM people on TikTok, especially those who point out the history of the founders. It is how the algorithm works if it ends up on your FYP.

[@didralamond8145]

I think the new Sephora's UK program is similar to how it was for us when it picked up steam over here in the USA. I stopped buying from Sephora for several reasons but one big reason was because it was no longer beneficial for me to use theirs. Ulta isn't much better but I can get more then just high end products from Ulta compared to Sephora

[@JaimeLeighArt]

I love your top! It goes so well with your makeup and dangly earrings. I can’t say how glad I am that MLMs are faltering (not for the poor reps at the bottom though). Maybe how predatory they are is finally becoming mainstream!

[@sharonshade4437]

Dang, I remember when MUA Cara Brooke started MaskCara. There was only a cream multi-use palette when she started I believe and I remember rooting for her. I did not realize until this video that is what that company became. So sad.

[@rainydayhype]

I feel like MLMs are more a symptom of the toxic work culture in the US. No shade, but in a lot of ways content creation/reviews and influencing is a form of MLM. Most of the beauty influencers are selling a life that only being born into money can afford you. I am borrowing most of my ideas from Financial Diet’s video on this topic, but we gotta really expect better of our government so we aren’t desperately trying to get ahead of each other, and stop buying into hype.

[@nyoomnyoom9567]

Yes omg there was a facebook or instagram reel i came across during my lil scroll and this woman posted a very professional photo of herself and in the caption was essentially devastated about losing it all. I saw it before I saw your more in depth vid on it and I had peeped the comments and everyone was giving their condolences and/or sad/angry/upset about it... it was especially wild once I saw your vid. I was like... "are THESE the top 36 or so people that actually make money?!?!" lmao

[@elizabethtangora4353]

13:55 From watching anti-MLM content, I already am willing to bet that the reps will have a system (and pressure) to buy from each other to keep their active status. Still a scam.

[@trac6009]

These people were owed more than a days notice for sure...I'm not a salesman at all bartering makes me sweat ...I feel bad for anyone that losses their job

[@racheydz99]

I was a part of this mlm years ago when it was still called Maskcara. The makeup broke me out so bad as well as other artists. I wonder if still does this.

[@713km-w5z]

Yessss I suspected the beeswax. I never joined, but I did try the product. I greatly regretted it 😂

[@ivyrose779]

My mom uses it and likes it a lot. I’ve used her’s several times and it didn’t break me out but I only used the color corrector and a tiny bit of concealer and wasn’t using it continuously.

[@amylou22snowhite]

One Size setting spray is a lie. Liza Minelli LIES. I used it for Pride, as it was 96 and humid. My face melted. I had tears of shadows running down my face.

[@itsmecandice7555]

@@amylou22snowhite I agree 1000%. I got caught up in the hype but finally had to admit to myself. It’s trash, at least for me. I went running back to Urban Decay All Nighter and have not looked back.

[@713km-w5z]

Doesn’t work for me either, unfortunately. 😢

[@annachristensen8513]

17:05 That’s why MLM’s are considered to use cult tactics since people who leave cults often lose their families and friends that remain in them.

[@arit2000]

MLMs are such an strange concept from me as an European. I feel for the people who see them as a way to improve their economic situation, and in addition they are made feel as they are feeling.

[@babysmokie7179]

Did you know body shop is technically a mlm

[@arit2000]

@@babysmokie7179 tbh no idea. I have seen their shops and I thought it was just another retailer. I have been once or twice in their shops, and never had anyone acted differently than in any other shop.

[@eurodara]

Funny you say that because there is plenty of MLMs in Europe. Both domestic and international. Thermomix comes from an MLM company. You just were lucky to not encounter MLM hun. I'm Polish and in the 90s ans 00s MLMs were everywhere. Wild capitalism does that to you. There is still plenty of MLMs here and plenty of online huns.

[@smushles19]

Really dont think Sephora can compete with Boots for the loyalty points..... We'll see!

[@iamsquatty]

Cant wait to see chelsea, isabella, and all the other anti mlm girlies talk about seint, its gonna be glorious 😂

[@heatherkrigbaum5471]

I wish these MLM's would actually just all go away. I use to buy but never work for them because i can't sell and i have always known it is not your own business. Have fun on your AK adventures! I love living here!

[@eustacia03]

Alaska is gorgeous - have a blast!

[@Xxmidnight_melodyxX]

Congrats on the trip!! Hope you have fun and can’t wait to see more once you’re back!!

[@jennamenzies3652]

I think this is going to be the new MLM business structure and more companies will be making the change. Not only are people becoming more educated on MLM's and refusing to join, but they are reporting them. I think MLM's run a real risk of being shut down as pyramid schemes, so they need to adapt.

[@jegrinde]

Have a lovely vacation!! Sounds wonderful❤️

[@Uncle_Smidge]

VIB Rouge USED to be great, which is sadder. I qualified the first year and they had exclusive in-store events before opening, and all sorts of cool stuff. I got a fabulous Rouge-exclusive umbrella that was actually really good quality! And not a collapsable. A REAL, full-size one!

[@harlempixie338]

My aunt is always trying to recruit me for something. She doesn’t understand why I’m uninterested. 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@liftedtolifebydannab]

I can believe that One Size On Til Dawn is a Best Seller in Sephora. As a Beauty Advisor, that is all that I sell in Sephora. Once in a while, one may purchase the Urban Decay Setting Spray.

[@bydivadream]

I'm almost certain that the #BossBabe uplines are already lining up potential new MLMs as their entire teams tend to follow them :/ the people crying are likely being told to delete as it goes against toxic positivity

[@lolamurder1882]

Most definitely. And they'll bring their downlines and the cycle will begin of making money off the hard work of people who are barely surviving.

[@viciousfunshine]

Anti-mlm creater Julie Anderson very recently did a video talking about the switch to affiliate Seint did. She featured 2 "artists" crying about it.

[@pepperpaige203]

15K per month? I am assuming these aren’t high end prices like Sisley, La Prairie or other luxury beauty brands. I cannot imagine the volume of product that would need to be sold to hit that number.

[@JoeyRoo]

I am a counter manager for a luxury brand in a Canadian department store and I know what 15k in my products look like I can’t imagine how much it would be from an mlm company 😅😅

[@ladyfashionsoul]

I think companies are trying to leave the MLM model before the FTC really starts cracking down on them.

[@mus1quenonst0p]

if trump wins tho, good luck on any crackdown. the FTC just lost its power to make decision with the recent SCOTUS ruling over the Chevron Deference

[@willglover418]

I manage a sephora and can confirm that one size on till dawn is actually our single best seller.

[@jenluv]

Wow!!! That’s so great for them!!

[@EnglishProfStyle]

Jen, you should check out the new products at Macy's! There is some crazy stuff! Mario Lopez has flushable man wipes 😂. Plus there are some complete tattoo sets for sale. I would love for you to discuss them, that seems crazy irresponsible to sell!

[@calihhan4706]

Honestly, I don't really feel for these people anymore. We all have jobs to pay our food and rent and it's always tragic, if someone loses their income. But nowadays, with multiple tv shows and so much information online, people can't tell me that they didn't knew how problematic MLMs are. These women are not stupid, especially the higher ups. They're fantastic sales people who are able to talk other women into joining them, just to make more money for themselves. They know exactly which game they're playing and as long as everything is working in their favour, there's nothing wrong. But when they suddenly can't rely on their passive income anymore, then the company is to blame?

[@lynpepler]

I have to look at Beautycounter every week I'm working in Ulta. I try and pretend it's not there. It rarely ever gets any attention, that I witness. You'd be surprised, though, that every time I bring up to a coworker or customer that I won't support them because it's an MLM, no BS, they all go..."What's an MLM?" 😯 My teaching hat goes into activation mode.

[@lynpepler]

Adding: I don't work FOR Ulta, just in it, as a brand representative.

[@sarahjones6323]

It seems likely to me that the reason most Seint “artists” don’t have a downline is because most of them are at the bottom of the pyramid (which is the nature of MLMs) and unable to recruit people below them. I’m sure the MLM model was working out great for the people at the top of the pyramid 🙃

[@yourfuturewaifu9061]

That's the nature of the beast

[@Rosierosie7]

You’re such a smart woman, you’re like the Phillip DeFranco of makeup news.

[@Worms4brains]

i hope you have fun on your trip!!!

[@audacityanissa]

Just want to say I look forward to your videos, watch them while I’m working lol! Your commentary and laying out the facts is well done! 😊

[@fancienanc]

Thank You So Much! Nanc 🍒🍒

[@Jess-bee]

Jen you look beautiful! Love this whole look on you 😊

[@steverogersstark]

Good morning everyone!! ☕️

[@ChrystalVanDusseldorp]

Have an amazing trip, that's so exciting! 💗💗💗

[@daniellemartin9896]

I have a friend thats been in lularoe for years. When she bought in it was 10k to get started. She had 2 bedrooms in her house for rhe inventory, sold to wvery woman at work that would listen, has a fb page where she has to post everything every week, she even had so much at one point she had people come shop her house. It stopped being as popular so she had to condense down to one bedroom to rent out the other one. She qould ask people to come over ans hang out but really wanted people to come dress mannequins and take photos of inventory. Needless to say we dont hang out anymore. Shes still in it and posts on fb weekly but i can tell business is really slow even with all the new styles.

[@umassigkap]

The Os setting spray is freaking amazing f not shocked if ir is the best selling sku at Sephora

[@montananerd8244]

Join stupid organizations & use stupid manipulations on your friends, win stupid prizes.

[@haloo_holly]

Wow, I love your top and makeup in this video! Those colors look so good on you! Love your videos and your investigative research 💜

[@mindyappleton3752]

It seems odd that a setting spray could be the best selling sku, but I wonder if that is because foundations, lipsticks, etc. have separate skus for colors, and that may be throwing off the numbers, whereas it is one setting spray for them.

[@gracenurse3365]

15:00 That lady’s wrong - MLM participants don’t grow a business “from the ground up.” They don’t conceive of a product, decide on names, launches… really , on anything. They’re stepping into a business that already exists.

[@maryeckel9682]

Bingo

[@ivyrose779]

My mom used Seint! I didn’t realize it was an MLM and I’m sure she didn’t know either. She likes it because it minimizes texture and it’s super easy to travel with. I’ll have to talk to her about it.

[@annamendoza3479]

Happy Sunday! Looking forward to live after watching this :)

[@staceymccann8340]

So typically if you’re in an MLM you cannot be in another MLM like it’s kind of a big no-no I don’t know if it’s an actual rule but so what about with this can you be affiliate with other companies like can you do your own thing else holidays and they don’t really care because if that’s the case then what’s the difference really because you can go straight to their website you can buy make up without giving someone “credit” so idk I’m a bit confused

[@LKC4244]

I wasn’t impressed with Seint. The product is just meh. Their brushes are really good. I do like the building you own palettes, but the only product I liked was the bronzer and highlighter, but as eyeshadow- not so much for its intended purpose. I threw out the foundation and blush as it’s more work than necessary to get the products blended seamless. I don’t have that much time getting ready for work.

[@maryeckel9682]

The method they show looks so strange to me. How do you not end up with a muddy mess?

[@jessicasorensen9938]

Unfortunately, there are about 10 MLM company headquarters within an hour of where I live. I believe Seint is also located here in Utah. We are overrun with MLMs. I've always bern curious about Seint, and my next-door neighbor used to sell it. I've seen the dark side of MLMs too many times to ever be willing to support one ever again. I'll have to think about trying Seint now that the structure is different. So far, I feel icky about their start as an MLM and the people they would have had to step on to become successful.

[@Anonymous-sh9vk]

Hey Jen, math question. :) If they are selling $15K of product a month, shouldn't the commission be 45% instead of 25%? Not that it matters, who is going to actually sell that much makeup anyway!?

[@jenluv]

Totally!!! That was my original calculation that I edited out because I thought I made a mistake. Ugh!!! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@settingstarlet]

*hairstylist of 14 years here 👋 - i've followed quite a few hair influencers and even former colleagues get sucked into the BIG haircare MLM. So many of them have had to do a massive rebrand because they topped out and lost their credibility as stylists. When you are a corporate marketing cog who pushes products HARD, your clientele notices. MLMs go a step further and want to loop in your client to sell products. No brand is going to work for everyone. If these "makeup artists" are professionals, they should assess their options and work with brands that align with their preferences,values, clientele, etc. From the perspective of the hair world, this affiliate structure is honestly very very generous, especially if its being drop shipped to the consumer and not just sold as wholesale.

[@lisasmith7]

So wild I had never heard of that Seint until last week. A co-worker of my husband mentioned it to my husband. Said his wife was caught up in a makeup scam. Now I know the tea. Thanks, Jen. Mad love ❌️ ⭕️

[@jenniferh2633]

I saw a bunch of Sient ppl on TikTok whining about the change right when it came out. Mostly because they had to sell again themselves, like you said

[@Just.Bailey]

Wait, did the Beauty Counter reps just have to swallow the cost of any backstock they kept? If they were immediately disallowed to sell product, surely many of them had tons of product in atock that they needed to sell... Does anybody know more about that?

[@Just.Bailey]

*in stock

[@robinsnest4306]

Hi is Beauty Counter sold at ulta? I thought I saw that brand there.

[@ChrystalVanDusseldorp]

I doubt they were able to return it. If I were them I would sell the backstock and keep the money, there doesn't seem to be much of an option otherwise.

[@tamikkajohnson1589]

By FTC regulations, they would have to provide a buy-back program.

[@mus1quenonst0p]

@@robinsnest4306i saw them at ulta too. i think jen talked about them choosing one branch over another a few weeks ago.

[@JenniferLequire8693]

The MLM brands will always be associated with that desperate family member/Tupperware party idea in my head, and I'm not sure I'll ever not harbor prejudice towards those companies, even if it's subconsciously. I think that if they recover from all of this at all, it's going to be a long and rough road to get to any sense of stability.

[@rylieread1865]

Whoa. I've been enjoying anti-MLM content for a while, but for some reason, at 15:44 , my brain made the connection for the first time how much this rhetoric also sounds like the message I heard over and over as a kid with ADHD struggling in school, and honestly in so many other facets of life. Your struggles are simply because you're not trying hard enough. Icky. No gracias. My little MLM hater heart just grew three sizes.

[@maryeckel9682]

They're incredibly ableist.

[@carrielassiter8455]

Love you, Jen. Thanks for keeping us informed about the truth and looking out for us. Enjoy your Sunday. 😊

[@kaseygoss]

Happy WUIM day! Sending love to all!❤

[@juliemoses1909]

I would think Sephora might not do well in the UK because of the homegrown Space NK.

[@lisamassey8541]

Unrelated to anything - I love your top! You look lovely today.

[@BistrosHouse]

I think that $15k/month figure includes how much is sold in your downline. No way individuals are selling that much a month unless they have massive downlines

[@jenluv]

The 15K a month is for the affiliate program with no downlines! WILD!

[@thathumanheaven]

Ahhh, yes. The only morning news I care about 😎☕️

[@Winnie_Bago]

Appreciate the math update - but if an affiliate is selling 15k+ the commission would be 45% of that, not 25%. I think that total is $81,000 which is also not a wild amount😅

[@jenluv]

That was my original calculation that I edited out. Ugh!!!! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@notes_to_elle8664]

I'm an American who coincidentally moved to the UK in 2004, from a part of Idaho where there was no such thing as Sephora. I recently went to the new London Sephora at the Westfield and..meh. I'm also not particularly fussed about the new loyalty program. There are so many online brands here that routinely do 20%+ sales that the only meaningful perks from Sephora are the ones they had already, i.e. 10% of 2 brands (for those that are exclusive to Sephora) and £5 off each £100 spend. I don't need a random birthday gift, I'd rather have a discount kthx!

[@merrickc.155]

Im happy to hear about the USA womens team getting together with Glossier. I think its important to show women athletes and girls in general that you can be beautiful and a baddie while performing at the top level of your sport. Especially in basketball were you hear alot of comments about the looks and sexuality of these wonder women.

[@blendofdays]

I honestly have wanted to try the seint concealer pot but refused to give them my money previously. Now I might!

[@icrafthappiness3109]

The Seint artists that built their team were definitely devastated and crying