ZOMBIE APOCALYPSES that should NOT have happened!

[@Killicon93]

IMO the worst part of 28 Weeks Later was they they found someone carrying a super contagious ultra-deadly virus and they did not put up 24 hour armed security immediately around that person.

[@Ming1975]

For me it was how the military place everyone into one containment to die when they can just tell them to lock up and stay inside the rooms that can be seen and shot by the soldiers.

[@pyro1047]

Nah, the dumbest part of 28 Weeks later is that the containment protocol includes shutting off the lights and turning on the "back up lights". Like wtf? This ain't Afghanistan, you're not gonna have a tactical edge using NVGs against zombies/infected. And even if they did, they turned on external lights anyways. Literally the only thing turning off the lights did was make it "spooky" and a pain in the ass to find/fight the infected. That and there's no way in hell they would've made it to crash land in Paris at the end, either NATO or French Forces would've blasted their ass out of the sky before they even made it half way across the channel. There's already a NATO blockade around the island and after seeing the effects of the outbreak France ain't taking any chances of that jumping across.

[@Unknown-ek1ox]

Most stupid stuff is, next to not having a constant guard around and perimeter around (because the guy was able to get in unnoticed and then get out relatively unnoticed or unharmed as infected), was that the husband both wasn't briefed timely on his wife and biohazard, but that he also had MIRACULOUS access to the containment cell for no real reason (no that one sentence of 'janitor all access' doesn't make sense for a containment cell like that).

[@Greynova08]

It was honestly the most frustrating thing EVER to watch. Like wtf she is contagious and dangerous why the fuck isnt she being watched 24/7 with guns ready to shoot at all times.

[@armandpeanutspinou3430]

The fact that a bullet in her head wasnt their immediate response was surprising ngl

[@seanbrown2294]

I would blame Hawkeye for starting 28 Weeks Later. He saw the two kids running around where they shouldn't be and all it would take is a couple of CLOSE shots near the two kids for them to get the message. "I see you two sneaking around. Either wait until a team retrieves you and returns you back to civilization. Or run back to it now."

[@gremlininblue2601]

Honestly, they may have ended up eventually finding the mom as zones were cleared regardless of the kids finding her

[@4skinmeat]

I would have totally headshot them both, for my montage of course 😅

[@ianbisntdead]

@@4skinmeat straight up gonna hit a 720 instaswap on those kids

[@Mr.Chipper]

I get your point about sending a message, but tbh I'm pretty sure they'll just try to escape the gunfire by running away even faster. I think the best course of action would've been to call in a team after them without them knowing they've been spotted yet.

[@cathyannis83]

I blame the military doctor woman. She knew the wife was a carrier that could easily start an outbreak, but she was left unguarded. I know Begbie had all areas access but he shouldn't have been able to access that area! He didn't know missing his wife would cause all that, the kids didn't know they were gonna find her in their old house, but Dr woman knew the danger when she left that woman with no guard. Edit to fix random typos

[@nicholasvondoelln6814]

One thing I liked about "The Last of Us" was that the initial outbreak started from fungus found in flour based products so the infection didn't really have a patient zero. It was already wide spread by the time they realized what was happening so there really wasn't a chance to cut off a limb to save the body.

[@mxviii]

Thats how world war Z did it too. The zombie virus had a much longer incubation period so infected people traveled. The biggest offender was the black market for organs, so a lot of people got infected organs and returned back to their own countries.

[@sovietunion7643]

@@mxviii i still think the book has stretches reality a bit as you can only get infected through blood or bites still, no airborne disease, which means it would struggle to really spread in the way it did.

[@mxviii]

@@sovietunion7643 yeah it was the fact that so many people turned around the world. There was no ground zero. And not ever country responded as well. North Korea actually survived the best because they forced all of their citizens to pull out their teeth lol

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

​​@@mxviiiI think north korea also did so well because first, with all the sanctions on them their economy is pretty much already self sufficient compared to almost any other country. Also nearly every 3rd citizen (306 per 1000) is in the military, so it would be way better prepared than any other country. You can pretty much count that every family has at least one member in the military (who likely has a gun), so nearly everyone has military training

[@commander950]

​@sovietunion7643 tbf in the book it took the better part of fifteen years for the virus to really get out of control. Not to mention the fact that knowledge of the virus was actively suppressed that whole time as well.

[@John_1-1_in_Japanese]

This is one of the reasons I like the Resident Evil universe, the disaster is sudden and with no warning, spreads fast through the unsuspecting populace, some of the zombies have abnormal superhuman abilities & are intelligent, the virus can be transmitted through and affects other animals, and the disaster still gets contained.

[@rgama1173]

and event them, the zombies havent overrun the world, they consume a city and are stop right there and there

[@duplicarus]

Same thing with the Dead Rising games. Zombie outbreak happens (always intentionally), but it’s mopped up pretty fast

[@antoniocarlosoliveira9146]

Same thing with all of us are dead , which also has people who are carriers and the military handled it way better , when information got out that some people were infected but didn't show the symptons , they immediatly refused to allow New people in the quarentine zone and all of the other already inside were tested , then , they bombed the city , and squads were sent in to kill any other remaining infected .

[@mrstabtoxic]

You single handedly keep zombie content alive for us casual zombie lovers.

[@Victoriabay8]

Facts 🤌

[@jachrishalt]

Do you mean infected lovers?

[@anaki567]

Couldn’t find a better way to word this

[@sielak4036]

@@jachrishalt LOL

[@23Bandz_]

UnNecrophilia at its finest

[@RealSoLucien]

The lead vehicle in the military convoy is there to ensure what happened in the movie doesn't happen in real life. The response in that situation is to accelerate towards the oncoming vehicle flashing your lights, if unable to divert them, displace them with as little damage to your vehicle as possible. The cargo must continue un impeded. Army of the dead stops with a wrecked humvee and up to four casualties being passed by a military convoy about 5 minutes in.

[@boredniko2406]

Honestly, having driven trucks myself, a regular truck probably could have taken that and survived mostly intact. An armored truck very likely could shrug that off

[@octoniumvideos]

was going to say. We wouldn't swerve out of the way but instead try to take the brunt of the force and hopefully protect the cargo.

[@helbent4]

@@boredniko2406 Nuclear transport containment units can certainly withstand a little traffic accident! And they'll have a helicopter flying escort on the convoy as well.

[@CandleWisp]

​​@@helbent4 Nuclear weapon transports also have permission to shoot anyone impeding the convoy😅 So that's doubly triply cautious.

[@helbent4]

@@CandleWisp Also, if you want a live specimen, or at least an active one, why not remove the legs, arms and teeth? However, there was some BS about multiple timelines so who knows? Maybe there's a graveyard of wrecked vehicles nearby because the crash had to keep repeating until the least probable outcome occurred.

[@kodaoda7772]

I like how it happens in Raccoon City in Resident Evil (the games, not the stupid movies). It's simple but an effective reason nontheless. Virus infected mice, mice got to the city's water supply and people drank said water and boom there you go, everyone is infected.

[@Kylesico912x]

And even while the zombies are slow, all the Raccoon City games show that they are incredibly difficult to kill. Even taking several headshots before going down. On top of that, they're not alone. Tyrants, Infected dogs and crows, Hunters, Lickers, Crimson Heads, amongst other threats all roam the streets as well.

[@Pharis111]

@@Kylesico912x same zombies also have a large chance of mutating into lickers or crimson heads depending on how much damage is done to the host body.

[@thegoodradish2339]

This is similar to the new last of us show which makes more sense than the game. Fungus starts growing in the largest flour factory in the world. World is chaos one week later.

[@KingfAce-qb9xk]

Plus they dont plan to cure the virus they plan to use it and evolve it for bioweapon that's why the infection never stop

[@IndIViD80]

@@Kylesico912x Correction - Crimson Heads are product of strain of T-virus that break out in mansion in Arklay mountains only, Lickers are product of strain of T-virus that break out in a City, both BOW are mutations of usual zombies.

[@cmd31220]

Ive always found that in most cases, trying to explain where the zombies come from only serves to create massive plot holes later if not completely break suspension of disbelief immediately. The Walking Dead's revelation that everyone is already infected is great because it completely removes the need for a patient zero moment. Same thing with the original Romero movie never explaining exactly why the dead have come back to life. They just have and youre just as much in the dark as the characters.

[@durkin9664]

Shaun of the Dead showed how you deal with zombies. After the initial shock people and authorities figured it out rapidly and mobilised correctly.

[@IDontPayMyTaxas]

And then they did what we humans do the best - colonised them.

[@DisorientedWanderer]

​@@IDontPayMyTaxas I'd say more like commercialized them. I mean no offense but colonizing doesn't make much sense to me.

[@DisorientedWanderer]

I like that they didn't want to make a zombie parody but rather a horror comedy. I don't think it would've been as good if it was a spoof

[@nightrain8308]

i loved Shaun of the dead, it was one of my favourite zombie movies mainly because of how funny it was, there are only two parts i remember really well though 'cause my memory is garbage, i really want to rewatch it ._.

[@KianaKaslana-sg8jj]

​@@nightrain8308 fr it's so good

[@Raxmei]

For me the most contrived was 28 Weeks. Even in the before times it was well understood that cramming everyone together into one room was the worst possible response to a communicable disease outbreak.

[@Overlandjon]

And yet New York and California thought it was a good idea to send infected people into nursing/elderly homes and cram them all together. Its not very far fetched when the gov does it IRL.

[@MoreEvilThanYahweh]

To be fair, we saw such idiocy for real during the coof hysteria depending on the country, region or city. Curfew breakers all locked up together, etc.

[@InnerAtmos]

The biggest bs in 28 weeks was, WHY would anyone want to go back there after a few weeks? It's completely insane.

[@BungieStudios]

@@MoreEvilThanYahwehI was about to say that. It’s the same reason why people tend to get sick during the winter holidays.

[@brandonp7503]

Yet we continue to do it.

[@Western_1]

During the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, soldiers frequently had a pistol on them most of the time due to some of their local allies turning traitor in supposedly secure areas. Of course in 28 weeks later they just stare as a zombie runs at them and don't draw their weapon.

[@nonoyearl8610]

The yankes forgot how to use guns

[@Snapper314]

While a Zombie outbreak might have been unrealistic due to so many people being armed and able to defend themselves, that was many years ago. And in recent years there has been a major push to DISARM civilians around the world, all while making the armies of most western countries less prepared and less effective. So... what would have been unthinkable a decade ago, is now not totally impossible.

[@MasteRgamer-mk5bp]

@@nonoyearl8610 impossible

[@MiaMooreA]

To be fair, in any dangerous situation its always good to first not do anything. Train coming at you? Stand stalk still. Dude shooting at you? Stand stalk still. Zombie running at you with murderous intent? Stand stalk still. This here is what Darwin was talking about.

[@sean5558]

Having a pistol in addition to having a rifle is simply a backup weapon and is used for close quarters if you are issued rifle like m16 instead of m4 or mpk or carry crew served machine gun like .50 cal or 240b , and we always carry rifles everywhere on firm base not because of Allie’s turning traitor it’s because it’s good practice to always have weapon with you while you are in hostile territory

[@XAltrus]

My favorite part of 28 Weeks later, is that , after half a year the militaries are still using bog standard equipment. Like, some people such as Hawkeye up on the building have vests, but not a single person thought to bring forearm or full arm guards? Face shields like a surgeon or air-soft enthusiast would wear? Tasers, you don't even have to worry about them being non-lethal, lethal is probably preferred, since you probably don't want to be blasting away at an infected blood filled person at close range!? Its not even like any of this would even need to be developed. All of it already exists, and in quantities that both the US and UK could have on every person left in the UK probably the next day.

[@felixwestergom963]

28 years later they voted for Brexit, I would argue that makes the movie seem rather realistic.

[@duplicarus]

I’m thinking full MOPP gear with stab vests and riot arm guards and leg guards on top. It’s gonna get hot, but at least there’s like no chance of infection

[@simonownsyou]

What always confused me about 28 days and 28 weeks is that the infected don't turn on each other. They are so full of mindless, uncontrollable rage that they develop a perfect peace amongst themselves?

[@tylerleach8796]

Honestly, that’s a question with most zombie media.

[@chapitaaa666]

In Left 4 Dead (Inspired on 28 Days later) the zombies actually can attack eachother

[@wildskis7086]

@@tylerleach8796 hivemind behaviours

[@Tsingkong911]

The rage virus probably has mind controlling properties. With a purpose to spread the infection, it drives the zombies to go after healthy looking individuals.

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

​@@tylerleach8796in most zombie media the goal of zombies is either infection or eating. For the first one the explanation is pretty simple, they can't infect twice. For the second one, they just don't recognise each other as valid food sources. But in 28 days/weeks, the zombies are just driven by rage and agression

[@TheEmeraldWeirdo]

What's really sad is that the first "zombie" film, the original Night of the Living Dead, had a much more realistic outcome: The incident only lasted that one night because the governments of the world figured out what was going on and how to deal with it very quickly, and the Living Dead went back to being the Regular Dead well before sunrise. The only reason things got so bad for the main characters is because they were in a very remote, rural area. The fact that that film spawned a genre dominated by incompetent militaries and unstoppable waves of what basically amounts to unarmed civilians is just ridiculous.

[@inosuke2679]

Same with the Sean of the dead

[@DinoRicky]

According to the sequels (if we can use them) the plague spreaded by the satellite became world wide

[@Batchall_Accepted]

It spawned a film genre like that because the same fucking guy that wrote it kept making sequels lol I love Romero's stuff but you have to admit he's responsible for the incompetent military and government trope with Day of the dead and that other one where they figure out guns somehow. It was all the same guy lol

[@TheEmeraldWeirdo]

@@Batchall_Accepted Wow. I didn't think it could get sadder, but you proved me wrong.

[@spicybeantofu]

We saw how deadly viruses are delt with in real life so yeah... It's believable they are incompetent

[@TheDeputy173]

in army of the dead i just get so mad at WHY THE ARMY THOUGHT PARATROOPERS INTO A HORED OF ZOMBIES WAS A GOOD IDEA!!! THEY CAN'T CONTROL WHERE THEY DROP AND SO YOU'RE JUST FEEDING THEM PERFECTLY GOOD SOLDIERS!!!! AAAHHHH!!!!

[@zwenkwiel816]

Never saw the movie but did they know there were zombies? Cuz if all they know is there's people rioting and fighting in the streets sending in some paratroopers might make sense. Could have landed them a bit further from the actual conflict though...

[@TheDeputy173]

@Zwenk Wiel I mean there was people being eaten alive and tonnes of people dying, they must've known that wasn't a riot but I could be wrong. They could've just thought there was suddenly a really bad famine in the city

[@Destroyerofnations]

@@zwenkwiel816 Its part of a montage so we don't get a lot of detail on the operation, I pray to god they didn't know because that would just be more ridiculous. That or maybe he was way of course.

[@mman2052]

@@Destroyerofnations I mean that is stupid but here is the argument what's the possibility of landing on a rooftop percentage-wise.

[@666FallenShadow]

that entire movie was supremely stupid. that movie proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that snyder can't write for shit. people kept blaming WB for why his dc universe was a shitshow, but clearly the man's only talent is making some cool visuals sometimes

[@tinaherr3856]

Honestly, the Resident Evil series is one of the best examples of a zombie outbreak. They are always confined to a relatively small/isolated location (secret Umbrella labs, remote villages, a single city, and even just a single house and a mine in RE 7). And most of the time, they were *intentionally* caused and spread. Like Marcus breaching the T virus for the mansion and RE 0 lab, Wesker attacking Umbrella's training facility, the Los Illuminatos cult tricking and infecting the villagers and castle into accepting "medicine" for the madness.

[@tannerbarry6525]

You’d think if there was a mission to go into the zombie zone, the government would thoroughly examine all that were involved to ensure they weren’t infected

[@Battleguild]

At the minimum, they'd be put through a full body wash and skin inspection, then placed in temporary quarantine for X amount of days to observe potential symptoms.

[@neoqwerty]

@@Battleguild Also they'd be studied ASAP for innoculation/vaccination/cure methods. And if it's parasitic then it becomes a question of "what kills the parasite without killing the host" and given how most things in the world do not take well to caffeine a zombie parasite may well get flushed out by chain-chugging coffee, which amuses me.

[@guritamarctiberiu1567]

Do you guys not know that governments are the peak of human incopetency and corruption?

[@crimsondynamo615]

If battle of Yonkers proved anything, it’s that they don’t give a shit.

[@scorpixel1866]

​@@crimsondynamo615Every time i hear about this "battle" and people say WWZ is the best zombie story my braincell count approaches that of an actual zombie.

[@Anonymousduck161]

I think the most unforgivable sin committed in this genre is the idea that corpses simply cease to decompose and are able to linger indefinitely. It’s almost like decay stops two weeks after death from infection and they are able to shamble on for years in basically a corrupt/ incorrupt state.

[@Baconator5642]

To be fair some zombies types are quite litterally just magically ressurected undead and not just someone with super-mega rabies with a sprinkle of bullshit pseudoscience

[@thunderspark1536]

Ironically enough, the Roblox game guts and blackpowder does this well; the priest class can hold back zombies with a crucifix and bless allies with a bible, so it's more a magic demonic thing.

[@Baconator5642]

@@thunderspark1536 It's an incredible game

[@thunderspark1536]

@@Baconator5642 Indeed it is.

[@brendenhawley2225]

I mean it is kind of needed for the zombies, if zombie followed biology, they would either be pretty smart or die pretty quickly. Also the threat of humans without the main features that make them apex preds, would not be scary without nightmare.

[@tris-chan6419]

To be fair, Australia's armed forces did lose to emus, so they specifically being overtaken by the worst type of zombie isn't out of the question

[@seanbrown2294]

Okay, Cargo actually makes sense now. I forgot about the bloody campaign against the Emu Horde. I wonder if we'll ever get a video game or movie about that War.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

I want to say context is missing but this is too funny to spoil.

[@atomic747]

Isn't it because the emu's bodies are actually a lot smaller then it looks and that why bullets can just go right throw them?

[@TheElMexicano]

Ha, Aussie’s got wrecked by midget ostriches

[@elitemook4234]

It's a funny joke, but they really didn't. It was just five guys with a jeep and a machine gun.

[@ThePowerscalingCinephile]

Correction: Romero Zombies are much more different to TWD Zombies than you think. The Romero Zombies have always been portrayed to be more crafty and physically impressive than what they seem. In NOTLD, the ghouls were always using tools to break in, can wrestle and overpower people many times, and are stated to flip over a car according to Cooper. Yes, characters in the Romero Dead films states the ghouls are weak yet these are the same characters who never wrestled with a ghoul before so these statements are false because it's consistently shown that when the ghouls grab ahold of someone, they tend to usually overpower their victims. They can also move pretty fast in short bursts. Remember Romero Zombies have been shown to actually physically tear human beings apart with their bare hands only and even shown to rip spines which requires 1 million newtons of force. This is why in Land, wrestling with the Romero Zombies is almost treated like a death sentence. If you think their strength is inconsistent, wrong. In the novels and comics, the characters speculate that ghouls get amped up when there's prey right in front of them but most of the time, they are too clumsy and dimwitted to use their strength effectively, so far that's actually been true. Romero Zombies are also mystified compared to TWD Zombie. They're implied to be supernatural as its shown many times that scientists do not really know why the dead are coming back to life. Comics and novels give in much more detail for this, scientists literally finds no scientific causes for why the dead came back to life. No virus. No bacteria or parasite. Not even the Venus Probe from NOTLD that many people thought was the cause. Lastly as for how the Romero Dead Apocalypse managed to happen is that it happened during the Cold War and Vietnam War. Basically people were too busy fighting against each other rather than fighting the outbreak at all so it's not really a wonder it happened at all. The concept of zombie also doesn't exist in the verse as well. Anyways, if Covid can give us much trouble, then the living dead that could rip humans apart with their bare hands and spread themselves amongst the population could probably give us an apocalypse.

[@ThePowerscalingCinephile]

Adding in: The Romero Zombies are also implied to be able to survive the pressure of the deep ocean according to the novels and comics

[@brendenhawley2225]

One thing to note is that in the first few episodes of the walking dead, there were climbers, door openers and runners. They got nerfed after the first season and retconned as variants in the 11. That said Romero zombies are still slow and dumb (even if less dumb than most) so I would not be too threatened by them unless in large numbers.

[@ThePowerscalingCinephile]

@@brendenhawley2225 "One thing to note is that in the first few episodes of the walking dead, there were climbers, door openers and runners. They got nerfed after the first season and retconned as variants in the 11." - True but they still ain't as strong as Romero Zombies which can smack through concrete and rip spines out. Wrestling with them is almost treated like a death sentence. "That said Romero zombies are still slow and dumb (even if less dumb than most) so I would not be too threatened by them unless in large numbers." - I'm not too sure about that because the comics reveal what happened to different states of America. The Romero Zombies literally starts becoming into a unified army that uses guns, explosives, and military tactics. In New York, we got zombies that can fight and think like Rome Gladiators due to being trained like one. Romero Zombies are slow for sure but they have a surprising burst of speed when prey is right in front of them. We have seen this a lot in the movies, especially in Day and Land. In the comics, one zombie managed to swipe so fast and hard it instantly cut off a human being's head before he even knew it.

[@Myjacob99]

That's not even mentioning the Return of the living dead zombies that just can't be killed by anything short of a nuclear strike which in the end still doesn't work

[@thechasmas]

I think one of the big things for the Walking Dead is that anything that kills you turns you, and it has such a wide range of reanimation times that the miscommunication and misinfo spread about it would lead to a lot of jumpscares. News says, "The dead are coming back and eating people after being bitten." Then, hospitals are suddenly having every old person who dies or anyone with a terminal illness come back at random times, people just wouldn't be expecting it at first. And on the time difference, once they figure it out, some people report 1 minute, 2 minutes, some people saying hours or days, people are gonna be just so confused about it. IDK, Walkers are easy to kill, but I feel like the MAIN problem and threat in TWD is that nobody could give a straight answer on how they are coming back, when they are coming back, the only thing they know is that the headshots kill them.

[@MistahJay7]

Walking Dead Virus is the most realistic version and would take over the world if a cure of some sort isn't found. I find it funny how people think everything will be fine and dandy and we will treat the zombies as a joke meanwhile we all know everyone is infected. Lol yea people will not follow the rules and anarchy will eventually take over after the decades have past. It would be slow and not overnight either.

[@henrywells6223]

That's what he not taking in consideration, people. The military is not going to control anyone once they see little johnny eat his mom's face off. It's going to be chaos. And damn near impossible to get everyone on the same page... Did you get your COVID shot???

[@andrewcuster1143]

​@Ghost Chill it is but the only people that know that either haven't been seen on screen yet or are dead

[@pieck5460]

Yea you don't need to be anywhere near a walker to turn into one you just need to die so all the skirmishes and wars showcased in the show are an example of humans increasing the population of walkers because of their own conflicts and problems kind of works with metaphor/motto/title of the show

[@Jenna2k]

Not in America. We shoot first and don't typically ask questions at all.

[@RichardDicksondlyrch68]

What always strikes me about NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD is that there really isn't a zombie apocalypse in it. At the end of the film, it seems pretty clear that local law enforcement and the good ol' boy brigade have things pretty much under control. We don't really get the world falling apart until DAWN OF THE DEAD.

[@c.d.rstudios4691]

I like to think that it splits into 2 seperate timelines. One that ends with the first one, and the other that continues with the other 2

[@DinoRicky]

@@c.d.rstudios4691and another one with every other George Romero movies after the trilogy And a alt universe of the return of the living dead where only the first film (kinda) counts

[@AlanGChenery]

Even in Dawn the collapse is contained. At the start the city is collapsing because of humans and their reaction to the situation, not the undead themselves. Looking at how much chaos and rioting can come from nothing burgers in modern politics I can see that happening when the world has to adjust to something as life changing as that. But then the first two movies were about communism and consumerism, so perhaps they shouldn't be taken too seriously. Lol.

[@jd7842]

No I think Romero’s original trilogy intertwine. Yes in Night that smaller rural area of Pittsburgh seems under control, but in more urban areas you get more reanimated corpses and more compassion from people who aren’t willing to do what’s required, as per the tenement block the SWAT team attacked. This leads into Dawn where enough zombies who have not been dealt with, have then gathered to form hordes that overwhelm smaller communities then cities. Every un destroyed corpse is an extra zombie. By Day, humanity having missed the opportunity to nip everything in the bud is now overwhelmed.

[@Quickdeath007]

I might be confusing it with another one of the first true zombie movies, but I remember Romero's living dead being one of the most realistic portrayals of a zombie outbreak to date: The outbreak is limited to a single small town, the initial outbreak devastates the population overnight, but after the initial shock and horror, state troopers and national guard are able to organize an armed militia and wipe out the zombies before it can spread further.

[@mlfitness67]

You should watch 1979 Zombie by Lucio fulci

[@playerkit]

I love how in Dawn of the Dead (1978), it's not some immediate switch to apocalypse. People are still going to work, some people don't believe it's happening. There's even the armed 'militia' having no issues killing any zombies they find. The zombies are shown as more of a nuisance than anything, only becoming a threat when in close quarters, surprised, or overwhelmed. No, the movie makes it clear that civilization breaks down because of PEOPLE, not the zombies. The racist cop on a rampage at the beginning of the movie, the bikers - it's the people who were looking for an excuse to do whatever they want that are the real horror in this universe.

[@Bdawg._.]

yea but if its in a big city it would be harder to control i think even in a lot of small towns people wouldn't be able to handle it that well

[@newturtle3]

That depends If zombies are smart or fast and if the infection is airborne and junk. In several zombies are undead from some spell or curse. In modern its an infection. In my fave game project zomboid its traveling through air from a smell from a nearby military labs. Everyone gets infected and only a few are immune to the first infection. But if you start killing leaving dead corpses they release gas with the virus and you get infected. Same with a bite or if you die. The main issue would be 100% erradication. If even 1 is left alive and it makes it to a nearby town or worse city its over with how fast viruses spread ala 2020 tested viral spreading. Not to mention people getting infected in the dumbest ways possible

[@nathantecson396]

​​@@Bdawg._.A good example for a city outbreak that was contained would be all of us are dead. Sure was harder and the response wasnt perfect but they were competent enough to contain the outbreak and wipe out most if not all of the pure zombies.

[@joeyk3134]

WWZ very thoroughly explained how the outbreak happened. And it's actually insanely hard in reality to switch from shooting for center mass to headshots on moving targets with short notice

[@constitution7167]

I always loved Cargo’s emergency pack idea. It’s something you never really see in movies. Government actually having an idea of what’s going on and distributing the information and tools to assist. In a very realistic way as well. Airdropping thousands of these packs over the sparsely populated areas that probably have zero clue what’s actually going on since they’d be hit so late by it once the coastal regions were overrun and not really have much contact with the outside world if any.

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

But that would also imply that manufacturing and distributing these packages was still a possibility, and at that point you question if direct military actions wouldn't be better, because radio and television infrastructure could do the informing, as zombies don't attack infrastructure and manufacturing was still going on, that shouldn't have been a problem

[@constitution7167]

@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 That's a fair point but most zombie stories would end right as they began if the military was competent. ASSUMING the military did actually get overwhelmed, this would be a realistic thing to do. At least for a country like Australia which is one of the least densely populated countries in the world. Taking the whole population of Australia into account, it's like the 4th lowest density country in the world, roughly 3.35 people per square kilometre. Now take into account that 15 of the 25 million people in Australia live in just 5 of it's cities, you can see that this data is actually quite skewed. Remove just those 5 cities from consideration and the population density would be the 2nd lowest with somewhere between 1 to 2 people per square kilometre. The reason I bring this all up is because it becomes quite expensive and have next to no effect to provide this SPARSELY populated area with stuff that city dwellers take for granted like electricity, radio towers, internet, etc. There are places in Australia the size of small countries or even US states with populations of less than 100. It makes no financial sense for the government to provide basic utilities to these areas so they typically don't. These communities (or sometimes just a family) get their water from nearby streams, lakes or underground resevoirs, travel far to the nearest town to fill up big tanks with petrol to fuel generators for electricity and really don't have much of an idea what's going on in the outside world without travelling to areas that have these basic utilities. Some are just in range of stuff like radio towers but not all of them so there's no way for stuff like the news or emergency broadcasts to reach a lot of them. Another thing to note in Australia is our indigenous population, while not all of them do this, a considerable portion of them choose to "live off the land" which basically means they don't really take part in society. They live with their tribes on huge swaths of land far into the outback where they keep to themselves and live a hunter-gather lifestyle. I can't say all of them do but I am sure at least some of them choose to refuse modern luxuries like electricity or at the very least radioes and TVs. So these people too have no way to be reached through digital broadcasts such as radio and other media forms. So really the only efficient and least resource-intensive way to inform these people is to print a flier and drop them by the thousands from aircraft flying over roads and small towns where these cut-off people might eventually come across them. The fancy knife thing and the wristwatch would be something I don't see feasible in the real world but it does make sense why it was included. "Look, basically anywhere with people is destroyed, this is because there are zombies- blah blah blah. These are the signs of infection, it takes X amount of time before infection takes control, here is a timer for if you get infected, please use it so you can quarantine yourself and not suddenly turn right next to non-infected people. Also here's a tool to allow you to limit the spread of infection, it kills you because you can't be helped. We can't help you anymore but this makes any chance of our survival just that tiny bit easier." That's basically the idea of why this is helpful. Also, they don't need power to keep informing people so someone can come across this weeks or months after electricity across the country has gone out and still be informed and not wonder into an overrun town for their monthly supply restock and get unknowingly infected and take it back to their community and infect all of them. Side-note regarding infrastructure and manufacturing being attacked. Zombies don't attack infrastructure per se but they do attack people which is essential for the functioning of said infrastructure. A powerplant could theoretically run with minimal or no people for up to a month depending on a WIDE variety of factors such as the technology the plant possesses, the automation of said plant, the fuel reserves for said plant, the schedule for said plant (i.e, if the plant was set to automatically turn off for maintenance or peak energy consumption or whatever other reason) and many other reasons, maybe a car crashed into a nearby power line and the safety system automatically turned off the plant or it tried to redivert it's electricity to different lines and eventually with this continuing to happen to more and more lines, the remaining lines would quickly get overburdened and probably create a system-wide blackout. (Which let me add, in this sort of emergency situation, a system-wide blackout will most definitely not be fixable. It's a very complex thing to jump-start the grid after a blackout and would need coordination from a lot of powerplants, too off-topic to get into. I will add that this blackout will spread to every powerplant connected to the grid as they will try to pick up the burden of the knocked-out powerplants which in turn knocks themself out further increasing the burden until every powerplant is knocked-out. ANYWAY) Onto manufacturing. The timers and the fancy knife would definitely not be feasible assuming the military had somehow been overrun, at that point any large scale complex supply chain couldn't be maintained safely or at least efficiently to be helpful at the scale necessary to make an impact (Drop a pamphlet every few metres across one of the largest countries in the world). A large scale printing operation however is feasible, secure a news building or anywhere with an industrial printer or just go into your local Officeworks, take all the printers and paper they have, bring them back to whatever little FOB you have set up and spend a few days printing. This would most likely already have been done much earlier into the pandemic though, lets be real. It would take so few resources to do. "Hey news fellas, here's a little page we want you to print, get to it. Yep, we know you won't be able to print the latest gossip. How does a subsidy for you lost revenue sound." No zombie outbreak (in the traditional spread through blood or bites or whatever sense) will suddenly destroy society overnight. They'd start out quarantining, then once quarantine broke, they'd start evacuating. It could take up to a week or two before a major city is uncontrollable. We don't know for sure but I think it can be a safe guess to assume at least one major city in Aus is barely hit by this thing for up to a week or two after the initial outbreak giving them time to start this printing operation and probably another week or two after that until it was completely lost. (Most likely Perth seeing as they have one of the smallest populations out of the major cities in Australia and is also considered one of the most remote major cities in the world.) But as you said, it is questionable for a functioning government and military to have decided to dedicate precious resources to this rather than combating the spread in a much stronger way such as closing down roads and airports, blowing stuff up, etc. I find this more of an acceptance of defeat and a last ditch effort to help anyone possible. I think I should I have stated my issues with it so you understood better what I meant but hey, enjoy the essay instead.

[@thegreton]

Bruh is just like the GRE from dying light

[@My_Old_YT_Account]

@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 It could simply be manufactured and airdropped by an uninfected country

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

@@My_Old_YT_Account but then the question rises if a rifle or shotgun wouldn't be the better choice

[@Jay9966]

For Army of the Dead, there's also the mystery of where did the first Zombie come from, because if it was mentioned, I do not remember, if it wasn't, well damn, it means Vegas is not the only place where zombies exist in this universe.

[@alexandertiberius1098]

The military make it, trying to make a super soldier. I hate that I know that.

[@creed8712]

Snyder will think about that in movie 4. It’ll probably be another thing 13 year old boys like

[@pop000690]

I believe its implied its because of Aliens (you can see a UFO at the very beginning of the film) but the movie doesn't really go in depth with that.

[@mediumsurmoon6283]

@@pop000690 I think the UFO is an implication that it was made in Area 51. I think the zombie have some kind of nano machine technology inside of them, that enhances the “user” tenfold, but probably those that aren’t infected by the original zombie that carry the original lab made nanobot, then they’re not as strong since their nanite were self replicated probably with the iron inside the user’s bloodstream itself? So most likely the nanite is not as potent or behaved exactly like the one that is in the original which was the source, and they also behaves exactly like a virus would. I think I read on this somewhere, because of the blue blood and how it looked kinda weirdly “mechanical” in the slow-mo scene. Although it could also be Alien tech or just straight up Alien-borne virus, but I dont understand why would an Alien have a bunch of nano robot mechanical moving thingy-ish in their bloodstream , that , or they actually used the Alien blood to create the nanite in the first place. These are all theoretical by the way, all from an observation of the slow mo scene

[@PsilocybinCocktail]

In AOTD, it's well known that infection is spread by bites. So of course the team that enters Vegas all have short-sleeved tee-shirts and no gloves.

[@Ancr0ss]

I don't know if you've ever read World War Z, but if you haven't you definitely should. It gives a highly detailed and extremely plausible account of how a plague of Romero zombies were able to slowly but surely spread throughout the world (in the context of an ambiguously pre-2010 global society). But it is worth a read and leagues above its film adaptation.

[@TheLastSane1]

I second this recommendation

[@alexlebrun1437]

I third this

[@Creasy5678]

Just remember that's the book. The film was terrible.

[@Battleguild]

If I recall correctly, the outbreak only got as bad as it did was basically done by: Politicians. Intentionally pushing misinformation, media blackout, preventing proper containment procedures due to costs, and pure arrogance. There were an assortment of other factors, but the politicians were the front and center cause.

[@Ancr0ss]

@Mastercraft Mainframe Yeah, but there was another book that I found was pretty good. It's called "The Living Dead" and was co-written by George Romero, but had to be finished by another guy after he died. Still a good read though

[@NS_Illinois_Terminal]

"from one drop of blood, spit or cu-" i was not expecting that to happen 😂 24:30

[@Dont_mind_Minos]

What the fuuuu

[@skyesfury8511]

"28 Weeks Later" is by far the dumbest re-outbreak to ever occur. Like you said, why the hell does the janitor have top security clearance? I get that SOME janitors will, but the amount of background checking that would be done to clean in those areas would mean you'd only have a very small number of janitors (maybe even zero, making the soldiers do the janitorial work).

[@privateuser3726]

In the Navy atleast everyone cleans up their own area, so even a petty officer has to do some cleaning. While I'm not sure if it's the same in other branches it's entirely possible that they WOULDN'T have any janitors in that area as they'd clean it up themselves

[@godsavethequeen4675]

Then you don’t do screening realizing “oh hey this guy has the exact same last name as the living country destroying being which might have a cure”

[@manboy4720]

@@godsavethequeen4675 what was that janitor's name again? michael immazomby? or am i thinking of john eatyoface?

[@OneEyedCloud01]

As a service member, I say they would absolutely be cleaning the area on their own. This applies to most areas, not even just the “super-important-world-ending” areas

[@tanepukenga1421]

Remember, he's not actually a janitor, he's essentially the super for the entire area. Plus, he's not military, he's part of the civ population, who'd be the ones who would know how to get that part of the city running if it was their previous job.

[@sanctus864]

One origin I really like comes from Project Zomboid. The zombies are slow dumb shamblers but the disease is airborne and only the few people who are immune to the airborne variant (but not the fluid borne variant) don't get sick and turn. The game also plays coy with how exactly the disease starts spreading with the TV and Radio spreading multiple competing theories and no solid answers given as the average survivor wouldn't have a clue what is going on.

[@formerussecretarygeneralba738]

Also in lore there is no Romero zombie films or any zombie media, so everybody is dealing with it for the first time which is pretty cool

[@creasednewt1741]

There’s also unturned with a lot that bones humanity you got folklore daemons and monsters retuning aliens that give a “cure” it makes the variants and groups that make horde beacons to lure zombies to a location and Megas and elemental zombies

[@MooKau_]

It was clearly the spiffos meat that came from that facility behind rosewood prison

[@psikoticoo]

@@MooKau_ the simpsons zombie apocalypse episode type shi

[@HelghastStalker]

@@MooKau_ I personally buy into the theory that the Knox Infection did originate as a prion disease (AKA the variant you get from being wounded by a Zombie), but that eventually the prion was absorbed by a virus of some sort and said virus was airborne.

[@grundlebee4814]

28 weeks later is one of my favorite zombie movies ever but it really feels like they came up with cool set pieces and wrote a story around those. Theres a part where an infected soldier walks at a door and blows the hinges off like hes Nemesis but later in the movies a group of zombies cant break through car windows.

[@Chilly_1]

Maybe because he was a soldier, they train and are stronger than a regular human

[@revenge3265]

@@Chilly_1 Lol, no. The logic fails two-fold. One, you aren't knocking the hinges off a door that easily regardless of if you're at your peak strength by just running at it. Two, this would suggest the infected are made stronger, but a group of them somehow can't break open car windows. Even if we were to pretend that the door was just weak enough and the zombie was just strong enough, regular people can absolutely break regular car windows if they hit it hard enough. An infected person who is essentially a regular person hyped up on adrenaline and pure rage would absolutely break that window, ESPECIALLY if they get multiple tries to break it. It was just some plot induced unrealism lol.

[@torterratortellini6641]

0:06 I don’t see what reason there is to make fun of when zombies are called infected instead of reanimated.

[@Zentai_Kun]

Why not

[@phoenixshadow4631]

I've always interpreted the mocking way he says InFeCtEd mostly to mock the sheer number of virus and bacteria based zombie movies as well as the sheer absurdity of how infection time varies in some of these stories be they games, movies, or TV shows.

[@torterratortellini6641]

@@phoenixshadow4631 I personally think that virus based zombies are better than supernatural zombies.

[@phoenixshadow4631]

@torterratortellini6641 I personally agree on liking outbreak type infection based zombies more than supernatural undead with my favorites being 28 days, the original Dawn of The Dead, Train to Busan, and Cargo, but I can still understand some of the annoyance and mockery that some people have towards InFeCtEd whether as a term or as a subtypebof zombie especially as more and more movies, books, and games include onset periods and turning times that are truly not consistent. For me the complaints I have with any virus based movies are consistency in the effects of the virus which tends to be a low point, and I know that there are others who feel similarly on that front, whereas some people just hate the usage of the term infected instead of zombie, and some even just hate how close to hone a virus or parasite can be considering that we already have dozens of subspecies of a parasitic fungus that can turn insects into zombies a bunch of parasites that use mollusc to propagate via taking over the nervous system, and even some viruses which can on an extremely small scale activate muscle signals after death even if only for like 1-2 seconds and on an extremely small area. And that's all without bringing up Rabies.

[@beanother1an690]

I like to think that the zombies alone don't cause societal collapse, but the civilian populace as well (The Division isn't a zombie thing, but it showed that criminals taking advantage of the chaos and government ineptitude/corruption also had a hand in Green Poison's destruction.)

[@lockmuertos]

IE, Chicago & New York in 2023. Liberal DA's are wonderful, aren't they ?

[@CosmicCustodian]

As a big Division fan, I agree.

[@ElBandito]

@@lockmuertos New Orleans had the highest homicide rate in the nation in 2022 with 74.3 homicides per 100,000 people. It was followed by St. Louis (68.2), Baltimore (58.1), Detroit (48.9) and Memphis (45.9). Yeah, fuck Red states.

[@ahardworker2154]

Just like real life

[@R3TR0J4N]

Seeing a it's a niche o zombie sub-genre, if the society or government didn't collapse the zombie won't thrive

[@XxShadow101xX]

I do have to say that cleaning personnel DO usually have high-level access to government facilities. The janitors at the police department I used to work at had access to a lot of areas (besides the armory and evidence) that even I, with a "higher" security clearance than most, didn't have. But the fact that a KNOWN CARRIER was completely unguarded is insane lmao.

[@badzombies2003]

I second that. My stepdad has a cleaning account at a police department, where he has access to most unsensitive areas, unless there's an ongoing case. But, no armed guards, no security beyond a keycard lock, for something that holds a deadly virus, seriously?

[@sin_of_laze3922]

@@badzombies2003 This's why I don't like most post-apocalyptic/survival movies and series. Okay, it's fiction, but PLEASE use your brain, make mistakes if you want, but not these kinds of mistakes. I would rather let the secret services of every other country in the world break into all my military and research installations than give any living being the right to even exist within a 100km radius around the military base guarding a potentially still existing virus capable of destroying the world in a very very painfull way.

[@HaydenHag]

Big thing about Australia is alot of it is fairly isolated, so we could kinda survive pretty well plus we have experience fighting off abominations of nature already

[@gerardoalvarado8425]

Doubt it y'all lost to the Emus,rabbits and dingos

[@HaydenHag]

@@gerardoalvarado8425 emu "war" was 3 soldiers and a gun, hares are a problem not really rabbits though not as big as a problem as say iguanas/pythons in Florida and dingoes? Please enlighten me as to how we "lost" to dingoes

[@ArmageddonEvil]

@@HaydenHag What about that one movie about a dingo eating a baby? Or was that propaganda by Emus. XD

[@HaydenHag]

@@ArmageddonEvil wasn't a movie was a real murder case, half the country thinks a lady killed her baby, half the country thinks a dingo killed it. Not really a laughing matter but anyway

[@lordlammi1562]

Except you guys don't have guns so you're pretty fucked

[@toasterthedoge]

I’m pretty sure that the walking dead/ Romero zombies, it would still be very dangerous irl, because of the simple numbers that they have, and because everyone is infected, meaning that the amount of undead will probably increase the most in the initial outbreak because people will be close to those who had ‘survived’ a heart attack, probably getting infected themselves (like in the beginning of TWDG: The New Frontier)

[@uncomfortabletruth9757]

The newsflesh book series has the most realistic scenario for a zombie apocalypse. Only certain parts of the country are over taken by zombies and they have different classifications for how dangerous different zones are. They have regular testing of citizens everywhere they go in case someone gets infected and citizens have to have firearm training and different license levels to leave the safe zones. Its a very interesting book series.

[@Vindictator1972]

That sounds a lot like almost every isekai ever for adventurers and there's a fucking reason they need to be X rank to go to X zone.

[@aelitastones1]

I love the newsflesh trilogy so much. rip Alaska in those books 😔

[@Specter7021]

Maaaan the Kellis Amberleee virsus was so well thought out. The different infection vectors, melee weapons and explosives being a death sentence, amplification above a certain mass. It's a top tier zombie book right up there with WWZ

[@michaelr3583]

Sounds like Israel and palestine

[@JohanJolos]

no, it's not and you're stupid for thinking this people like you are the only reason a zombie apocalypse would be problematic.... too many stupids

[@garereeve117]

My internal logic for 28 Weeks Later: If there are multiple ways to approach a problem, two governments collaborating together will somehow find a way to compromise and take the worst aspects of every possible solution. Literally any soldier below the rank of Major with an IQ above room temperature: “How about, in the event of a possible outbreak, we have reinforced doors for every apartment, each one equipped with a gunport. If the Infected are spotted, everybody locks themselves in their apartments. If the Infected start trying to smash down a door, the residents just grab the emergency firearm that we leave in every apartment, and shoot them through the firing port. At worst, it’ll take the Infected TIME to breach an apartment, allowing a Rapid Response Team to get there and take them out, and keep casualties to a minimum.” Political Appointee: “I read a study that shows that isolation during times of stress is extremely bad for mental health…” Soldier: *sobs quietly*

[@jaydenshepard7928]

Governments arent actually that incompetent, its an over exaggerated trope.

[@ghillieguy52]

@@jaydenshepard7928 I think you are half right, it's kind of a lottery if someone competent gets in charge or if their only skillset is kissing ass.

[@alendonvaldor5808]

​@@ghillieguy52 Or spouting bullshit.

[@NahuCommNS]

@@jaydenshepard7928 There is a reason Reagan said what he said: The nine most terrifying words in the english language are, "I'm from the government and i'm here to help". Cheers.

[@niklasahrens2969]

I'd have a few things, different sectors,high value personal in a safer area,secure doors guns for everyone,a panic room,24h surveillance,patrols like a military base,more armed personal,clear evac routs,and every body knowing where to go. I think that'll work,but having just a few soilders with dmr is stupid

[@ryman8989]

At least George Romero (RIP) gave some kind of reason in his movies on how it got so bad. Basically we spend more time fighting each other over resources or what these zombies are or how it started that the hordes went unchecked until it started scratching at their doors.

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

Plus didn't they eventually managed to overpower the zombies once they got their sh*t together

[@Allnatural-10b]

I have an idea for zombie outbreaks escalating and remaining as is. The reason would be due to rich people pulling the strings for their own safety that it disrupts military and government responses. In doing so, this endangers way too many lives that it gives the virus more time to spread. To make it even worse, the infection spreads because initially it was seen as some other virus similar to smallpox and that it would go away but nope they were wrong after a few days or roughly a week is when it zombifies a person.

[@TheNotverysocial]

@@Allnatural-10b There is also that little facet that everything there since NotLD comes alive after death so long as the brain is intact, and no explanation is given for that. You can win the battle, as they did in the first film, but the war was going to be lost anyway. Zombies aren;t that much a threat, but whatever messed up the world cannot be fixed.

[@ArmageddonEvil]

@@TheNotverysocial A la, I feel like those movies was akin to *Human Depopulation Flims. And the Military were told to panic and be useless by the NWO.* 🦭

[@linkplayer20]

Your 28 weeks call out was spot on. Every part of the opening made me question who lead that operation

[@darkstranger9527]

28 weeks later is a fascinating movie, I felt so immersed in it because I legitimately was infuriated when I found out what caused the outbreak. I was seeing red, my man. R-E-D-D. I think it's the only zombie movie to infect my brain with rage.

[@TheTillmanSneakerReview]

Well, the "animal rescue team" pissed me off to no end.

[@badjuju2721]

I absolutely despise 28 weeks later, love the first movie tho.

[@redshanklion7365]

I actually would like to see you make a video on how a tv show, movie, and/or game should handle a zombie apocalypse. Like, it takes place in an area where the undead are not a great threat, but people want something done with them. I’m trying my best to type it out, but it’s just so hard to think about how it would be done. Also, the military wouldn’t be incompetent and idiotic when it comes to handling these situations.

[@Jay9966]

I think just watching his "Why you would probably not survive/ would survive" videos would answer your question.

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

Shaun of the dead and Z-nation are great examples

[@literallyinsanelycool28]

they should handle it like how the wwz book handled it

[@gd2234_]

Building on that, there could be different “difficulty” levels, based on how people react to the outbreak (kind of like plague inc). Easy mode - everyone takes the outbreak seriously, quarantine/containment measures are followed, etc. Hard mode - everyone is only looking out for themselves, they make stupid decisions, etc. Bonus fun if you can influence NPC groups behaviour (ie fuck with them)

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

I remember seeing something like that. I can't remember the title but basically, they managed to establish a quarantine zone around the infected but kept having to deal with breeches caused by people sneaking in to loot.

[@stephentsai6762]

Every horror fan accepts that some "mistakes" have to be made or "there's no movie" in almost any set up, but as you rightly point out, "28 Weeks Later", the leaps in logic are so egregious, they unfortunately pull me right out of the movie. This is so sad because it's the sequel to one of the best of the genre. My feeling is that this comes down to laziness on the writers' part; if they really wanted "another outbreak", there are many more graceful ways they could have made it happen, even using this starting set up, without resorting to such blatant stupidity of having 1 lone janitor having unrestricted/unguarded access to a lvl 4 bio threat. Just have the virus get spread via birds or bugs bite someone (ie, those stupid kids for violating quarantine) and you get the same story startup w/o making the government/army looks like such fools.

[@kuronanestimare]

Mosquito bites Carrier, drinks blood, keeps the virus (like West Nile) and then bites some rando. Boom. Realistic Spreading with very little leap in logic required.

[@darrengarcia4937]

Its the army so its believable. Marines have always been able to take and hold areas, army tends to lose them. Sad but true.

[@caelodevorago608]

@@darrengarcia4937 ... I feel like ya ain't actually in the military...

[@darrengarcia4937]

@@caelodevorago608 i am nozzle i really dont care either way. Working with the AF is always enjoyable, most of the time their competent. The Army sucks at their jobs.

[@OliviaJadeSuperStan]

@@darrengarcia4937 Yea, kinda like how the Marines lost control of Fallujah twice after 2ACR held the whole city with just just one squadron

[@Sidian.Rose.]

I remember playing FNV so much that I forgot that it was Las Vegas irl. Starting saying New Vegas every time. People thought I was stupid. I was stupid.

[@rebel6301]

that explains a lot actually

[@helbent4]

The problem with 28 days later is that the "rage zombies" have latency measured in seconds. Normally a virus spreads because people don't know they are infected and so drive or fly (or sail) someplace outside the local area. But if everyone is a raving zombie in seconds, then they'll tend to stay there and not (say) board a bus or a train or plane or boat, then spread the virus farther. And shutting down transportation will immediately halt the spread, unless they walk overland to the next community.

[@cevk]

The problem is that the laws of physics require that energy be expended to produce work, and an ambulatory corpse that does not need to eat or drink and can remain active for years or decades completely violates them in a way that blows out of the water something as small as a one second infection time.

[@helbent4]

@@cevk Yes, that is a problem for other movies, not this one. I am surprised you refer to the "infected" in 28 Days Later as "zombies". They are not corpses but still-living people infected with the "rage virus".

[@YomamaYodaddyYobjtchassGranny]

@@helbent4this is what also shocks me. Apparently lots of people think they are “zombies”

[@danielnaylor3434]

This is something I've thought, as well. In fact, I believe there is a line of dialog in the movie where they say that there were rumors of the virus in New York and Paris. All I could think was "If someone can turn in 10 seconds: a.) How would they have gotten onto a plane? b.) How could that plane be allowed to take off? c.) How could that plane reach its destination without getting shot down or d.) At the very least quarantined upon landing and surrounded by hundreds of armed soldiers?" Quick infection actually works against a widespread epidemic.

[@ge2719]

Viruses can spread inside a host thay shows no symptoms. Like the crow picking at a dead body. It can become infected, fly off, infect the next thing it comes in contact with. And not be doing it intentionally nor be doing it because its infected with "rage". Humans contract bird flu by being in close proximity to infected birds. It'd be hard to explain new york being infected, with the atlantic being so massive. but not impossible. Europe, could be infected far more easily through bird migration.

[@CrookedBear]

Something I appreciated about Zombieland was that they actually called them zombies

[@elaz925]

The book series Rot and Ruin has a pretty good mix between "Oh wow the world was seriously defeated by these zombies" and common sense preventative steps like "Every household has a brainstem stabbing tool to put down their dead, protocols for sick people to prevent infect if they die and manufactured zombie-cloaking smell goo"

[@sireislas3903]

I remember reading some of those in middle school. Seeing that name unlocked a hidden memory.

[@gremlininblue2601]

BROOOO I LOVED THAT SERIES AS A KID. I still love it

[@minorityofthought1306]

I felt bad for the artist when he got turned. So sad.

[@wickedweavile4612]

Well, I should read this, yes?

[@elaz925]

@@wickedweavile4612 It’s a pretty good YA series!

[@remington_acr1651]

TWD kinda makes sense considering that everyone’s technically infected and it’s only after death does the body return to this dead yet alive, reanimated state. When you look at densely populated states like CA or NY, it only takes one homeless person to die on the streets, take someone out that’s walking by or trying to help (like a paramedic for example) and boom before you know it you got yourself a horde. And I know TWD’s walkers are known for being infamously slow but they used to run/jog in the earlier seasons, and again, in enclosed environments regardless of their speeds, people in enclosed areas with no sense of performing under pressure will freeze in shock at the sight of “people” with blood coming outta them and human flesh between their teeth. Hospitals are gonna be overrun almost immediately for two reasons, doctors and nurses will assume they’re still human and try to help and end up being bitten/scratched. And loved ones who are present to witness their family members die are not going to be mentally prepared to take out the person they watched die and come back to life. I think what determines whether or not humanity is doomed is how fast the military acts and how quickly they can implement logistics and take down hordes upon hordes in densely populated areas.

[@Automaton237]

But how would enough people turn to overwhelm the entire government and the rest of the world so quickly and once the military would eventually find out that everyone will turn to a zombie eventually will they just nuke or obliterate zombies with airstrikes. It's like Thanos snap his fingers and half the world became zombies out of nowhere and overwhelm the government and what about pretty much every single civilian in the United States who owns a gun.

[@steelungol4373]

I think another example that could qualify comes from a book called “The Tainted Cure.” In which that zombie apocalypse is caused by the cartel reversing a cure for drug addiction and selling it. The book and it’s sequels were decent reads, but I always found how quickly the apocalypse started to be really stretching logic when you thought about it.

[@felinusfeline5559]

I think this is why the more successful zombie fiction today has a lot of special zombies or gives them more outlandish powers (IE: Dying Light) We've collectively realized how weak zombies are in their original form and have had to beef them up to make them a respectable threat.

[@gwydionrusso3206]

Even in dying light if I recall correctly the outbreak is still in a relatively small area under very strict kill on site quarantine

[@Manie230]

@@gwydionrusso3206 that’s right but spoiler after the first game the GRE something like the WHO made the virus into a weapon again (that’s why the zombies even happens in the first place) but that time the virus spread globally and not only in one city.

[@CoracaoAcidental98]

There's almost no correlaton between sucess vs making sense (or giving zombies more abilities), the example you gave like Dying Light demonstrate that, the game is not successful because makes sense, it was because the gameplay is good, simple as that, in the opposite end of the spectrum DayZ exist, dumb and slow zombies but the game was successful because other factors like the survival and pvp aspect. A lot of people complain about zombies being too weak in certain stories but that's not the point, truth is zombies by themselves are boring, no matter how much new shining powers, mutations, original ways of spreading or even visuals makes them any interesting, zombies are fun because of the the interaction with the living world, how people deal with them or sometimes just how they kill people, we have a fetishizing of violence without guilt in media so is no surprise that the monster that is most used is the one that has zero humanity, reason or any other interesting caractherisc about it outside of the gruesome violence it can provide. Zombie media is not big because of the dead, but because of the living that has to fight them.

[@Maxsmack]

Unless it’s an air born threat where only 0.0001% of the population has a natural immunity and it’s now them out numbered 1,000,000-1

[@InitialPC]

personally I think its the other way around zombies at first were really tough, and thats why dealing with a crowd was so scary look at night of the living dead where even dismembering and decapitating a zombie still didnt neutralize the threat but today its all about having huge disposable CG waves of zombies that are so numerable they climb over each other I miss zombie stories that only needed a couple zombies to be scary...

[@Chronoic]

People forget that in 26 days later the inflected didn't like sunlight and are affected by it, that they only attacked when it starts to get dark, also they can starve to death, because they really aren't zombies, they are just alive people with Rage. But then once they did 28 weeks later they remove that weakness, maybe because people said, they would be able to beat the "zombie" if they go somewhere there is no shade and takes longer than a night to get to on foot. The writer decided to change the weakness.

[@Guapdonedidit]

What could make it make sense is that viruses evolve

[@mappingshaman5280]

I just watched the movie and I think you're being a bit sophist in your argument. The main outbreak happens during the night. Also when the dad bites his son, he does it in a tunnel. Sure there are scenes of zombies in daylight, but that was true for the first one too.

[@DashingDavid]

They are not affected by sunlight. Wtf are you talking about?

[@Johnbon555]

Survivors didn't go out at night because it's harder to see the zombies at night.

[@Sorain1]

Your conflating the film Cargo and it's zombies with 28 days later. Cargo's zombies specifically hide from the sun, while 28 day's later has infected that starve to death.

[@gameknightplays1211]

A zombie using a gun is terrifying even more than just a zombie by its self

[@MollyKuehl4790]

Nice to know I'm not the only one out there that watch 28 Weeks later and thought "28 Weeks later seems a bit early to be sending people back considering there's still people in hazmat suits clearing out the city" 😂😂😂

[@JC_Cali]

Like a smart plan would be to start with a smaller coastal urban environment, as having not only one less side for zombies to approach is tacitical, but having the shore as an easy evacuation scheme would make sense. And it would be easier to track 20 people per boat, for example, than 2,000 in a dark room!!

[@MollyKuehl4790]

@@JC_Caliyou know since they are also still clearing shit out of the city after such an outbreak someone would be bound to get pricked or cut by something and infected if the zombies didn't get them first because honestly 28 weeks after such contagious outbreak there would still be all sorts of germs living on surfaces to.

[@prcervi]

i'm surprised they even managed to convince the people to stay in the premise with that many biohazard bags in sight

[@Diginerdster]

In defense of George Romero's zombie apocalypse. The biggest danger was never the zombies. It was us. And after Covid, I think the scenario's actually more realistic than ya might want to admit. ...Or not, since Romero's ghouls were always implied to be supernatural in origin rather than some virus. No more room in hell, divine judgment, etc, etc. :P

[@Diginerdster]

@@jujubee_is_me I'll always be down to rewatch "The Crazies" remake. But I do think it could have revisited some of the themes of the original, definitely. Though, I could say the same for Dawn of the Dead. Also, thanks for the recommendation! Will have to check it out, heh.

[@jasdanvm3845]

There was a space probe bringing weird radiation explanation in the original Night of the Living Dead.

[@Diginerdster]

@@jasdanvm3845 I think the officials in that movie were just throwing explanations around to try and give the public answers. At least, that's how I always saw it. I mean, they were arguing among themselves about which explanation was most likely the case. They never actually knew the cause.

[@Creasy5678]

Actually, Romero's son has done a prequel explaining how it happened. A scientist in the USA in the mid 60's was trying to figure out how to "rewire" the human brain so that we don't suffer from fear at all. His funding was cut because his work was so expensive, but the military stepped in and offered to pay him to finish his work. He said no-he wasn't interested in giving the US government his work. Then his Wife died in a car crash, which left his daughter in a coma. Suddenly he needed a LOT of money quickly, so he changed his mind. A clue: it was no accident. He got to work and managed to perfect his procedure on animals. But the monkeys he worked on invariably went insane, tore each to pieces and committed cannibalism. Worse, the human mind was a massive step up from that, so he needed some kind of control. He went to Haiti to get it, trading one of his soldiers lives for their "Zombie Formula". He tested his new formula on prisoners in a max security prison, lifers who stood no chance of release-the result looked like Night of the Living Dead's slaughter scene after the pump blows up. But it was still progress. The problem was, they couldn't control the Test Subjects. So he kept working on it... But the decision was taken out of his hands without his knowledge. They deployed the "Infected" meat in North Vietnam during the Vietnam War to destroy "resistance" there since they'd seen what it could do. But, of course, the people there ran for their lives and carried the Outbreak all over the place when it came out what was happening. Worse, once the formula was out of the lab it Mutated and went airborne... Hello Apocalypse. Of course, as Wow Such Gaming points out, it should still have been possible to stop the Outbreak or at least Contain it...

[@HK47_115]

​@@Creasy5678 what's the name of this prequel?

[@dantelqs2998]

Imagine transporting a super zombie in an open trailer, inside a container only held by two straps that break easily, pulled by a truck that can't take a single hit. You are just begging for a screw up to happen

[@eyeblech2001]

or maybe the couple were a part of a terrorist group that sabotaged the whole zombie operation to crumble america/distract it (holy moly now i think we need a reboot)

[@ethanstyant9704]

That first one is especially nonsense when you realise that they would probably have the alpha zombie in one of those nuclear transport containers which can take being hit by a runaway TRAIN without a crack

[@Darkgun231]

There was a book series (I can't remember the name) where the Undead virus was the result of a cure for some sort of degenerative genetic disease mutating inside a person with the common cold, and thus become hyper-virulent and capable of infecting any mammal larger than a cat. So, even horses and cattle turned into zombies. The rest of the story takes place a decade or so after the Undead apocalypse, but a lot of people did survive and the governments did successfully contain the spread, and they now have all sorts of stuff in the households to prevent future outbreaks, like medical scanners in the bathrooms and social norms where working/learning online and from home is the norm (sort of predicted Covid, in a way).

[@DraconicDuelist]

Let me know if you find the title, please!

[@iskisenna]

The Newsflesh series by Seanan Mcguire aka Mira Grant (Feed, Deadline and Blackout.) I read it, pretty good.

[@Darkgun231]

@@iskisenna Yup, that was it, thanks for the reminder!

[@nathancody1635]

Isn't that like a political thriller?

[@Darkgun231]

@@nathancody1635 Sorta, but it has zombies.

[@DaCause77]

I thought one of the reasons the walking dead spread so much was because the show itself took place in a universe without any zombie media. Hence why they are called 'walkers' instead of zombies, and the response to a situation where no form of that scale of outbreak (be it real or fiction) was ever thought of or considered

[@chillycoldchomper9389]

​@@Sigma90985imagine seeing a floating toilet chasing you down. There might not be any media of that, but who's sticking around? Lmao

[@chillycoldchomper9389]

@@Sigma90985 imagine if you like really had to pee, though

[@prawny12009]

The wildfire virus apparently infected everyone already, dying without a bite was enough to turn. It is my theory that all the people that died early on but didn't turn were actually immune to the virus, so you wouldn't know if you are immune until you die

[@ctdaniels7049]

I recall this being true in The Walking Dead, and this trope became so popular that it comes full circle into being silly, as now it's hard to imagine a society that *didn't* have a Zombie Media Craze.

[@justsomenumpty]

@@chillycoldchomper9389not to be that guy, but Skibidi toilet kinda did that… Kill me for even remembering such a thing

[@paireon3419]

Small correction: the vector for zombification in Romero's Dead movies (well, the first 4 ones at least) is actually hypothesized to be space radiation from a space probe, but is never really revealed.

[@asimplewizard]

Why is that the hypothesis?

[@matthewjones39]

@@asimplewizardI don’t know. Maybe because someone literally said it in night of the living dead?

[@asimplewizard]

@@matthewjones39 So it was one characters theory but there wasn't evidence to support it? Or is it all but 100% confirmed? Never seen the movie and don't intend to, hence why I'm asking.

[@matthewjones39]

@@asimplewizard It’s been a while since I’ve watched it, but I think it was some scientists that discovered radiation from a meteor or something.

[@totallynoteverything1.]

it's most likely divine punishment

[@bonniedykstra6722]

That’s why I love the world war z book, which is all about how the zombie war happened and how an apocalypse was presented

[@joshcuker5877]

6:55 here's the thing about "amputating the spot in time": blood travels about six feet per second. So once you're bitten, it's game over right away. Also, I like how the list starts off strong with Zach Snyder making more confusing movie choices, like people refusing to nuke vegas just cuz🤷

[@vrykyl6464]

Yea, unless your Brad Pitt in WWZ. He chops that soldiers hand off and it works because he's just so awesome :p

[@joshcuker5877]

@@vrykyl6464 it seems we were thinking of the same scene

[@beannathrach2417]

Just call up the California National Guard. We don't have to be paid to level Las Vegas. We will do it just for the joy of it.

[@Drikkerbadevand]

The velocity of blood is really only that high in the aorta, it quickly becomes much slower, even in relatively large arteries and veins. Arterioles are quite slow at just a few milimeters a second. Worst would actually be for them to bit through a vein, despite it being slower it is carrying the blood directly back to the heart.. Long story short the success of amputation would depends on how lucky you were, if the zombie bites through a larger vein, you might only have a second or two, but if it "only" bites off some skin or a little bit of muscle (yeah that'd hurt), also taking peripheral vasoconstriction into account, you might have more like 20-30 seconds to amputate the limb, but either way you have to act very fast

[@fighter5583]

The moment I saw that roughly half the video was going to be about 28 Weeks Later, I knew we're all in for a treat. As much as I like the movie, there wouldn't be a movie if the military properly quarantined the one lone carrier that was found with an active virus. But since they sunk a lot of money into making this movie, they had to run with it.

[@15thobserver]

I don't disagree with you, but the straw that broke it for me was the kiss. No one, and I repeat NO ONE would be that stupid. You didn't have to be a scientist or have military clearance to know how this virus worked, and worse of all he saw if first hand. It was just to dumb to accept and breaks the suspension of disbelief. But damn it had some cool set pieces and that opening was masterful.

[@fighter5583]

@@15thobserver For me, I was wondering why in the fuck was no one standing guard around her? In hazmat suits?

[@15thobserver]

@@fighter5583 Yea for sure that is hard to accept. I just figured they screen writer was trying to say "with limited resources to work with, its just minimal guards at night in the facility due to maximum guards on outer patrol." But yea, its very dumb over all and you have good reason to hold that opinion.

[@silentlyquiet8792]

@@15thobserver i mean i get you and i want to agree with you. Just that irl during the whole first year or so with rona, some people were dumb enough to do that whole "kissing the infected" thing so idk lol

[@subjectc7505]

28 Weeks outbreak could have been prevented if they took the wife to another lab off shore and didn't bring people into Britain unless every last infected was cleaning out. Created a system, that was able to detect and track infected individuals and gave civilians the right to defend themselves and teach Children how to manage, fire and clean a weapon.

[@speakingwithoutnet]

Hell, in the event of an outbreak, just have the citizens broken up into small groups and put into a safe room, like their apartments, offices and even janitorial closets with reinforced doors. NOT putting everyone in a dark indoor parking lot, where they can't escape and are basically a big buffet for any infected.

[@subjectc7505]

@@speakingwithoutnet outta most dumb choice's in zombies movie's. The parking lot was the stupidest one. Good way of furthering a problem

[@Ragnarok222R]

They did at least believe all of the infected in Britain had starved to death because it had been so long. And the janitor having access is so dumb, but hearing about all the leaks of military documents in War Thunder makes me worry about how realistic that also is.

[@jamesquinney6686]

They could have brought civilian cleaner workers instead of just average citizens

[@subjectc7505]

@@Ragnarok222R True, but you would think they'll at least move the carrier off-site or have her heavily guarded. Even with a pre-made protocol to airstrike or drop a bomb on the lab Incase something happens.

[@ladybuzzkillington2072]

So World War Z (book) actually has the most realistic version of how walkers would win short term at least. The questions surrounding it, the rumours vs facts, and the organ black market spreading the infection by accident across continents. Especially since the virus was first believed to be a more virulent variation of rabies and thus a large portion of the world thought it was going to be alright if you got the vaccine for standard rabies. So despite the fact that there wasn't an airborne spread, just limited to biological material getting inside uninfected, the slow initial spread helped hide the danger. Also the reason the military failed at first was due to doctrine in the modern day being a focus on center mass and high volume rather than precision, meant that there was a massive failure to hold the line when the horde at Yonkers kept coming. Spoilers ahead of you wanna go in without knowledge. However, after that defeat there was a total retooling of the US Armed forces with a change in weaponry and fighting style to be more about raw accuracy rather than purely volume of fire. And this eventually leads to the various militaries around the world taking back there countries.

[@kylepeters8690]

with the original romero zombies it is worth noting that the already dead were revived as well. Plus in the original movie, humanity did handle it incredibly well and were making large sweeps. It's not until the sequels where humanity apparently just dropped the ball hard and screwed itself somehow. But even dawn of the dead treated it like it was bad but not the end of the world. Day is where it just kind of jumped to the apocalypse

[@Cowboycomando54]

Some how Shawn of the Dead also got it right with coordinated military strikes and containment.

[@kylepeters8690]

@@Cowboycomando54 yeah, Shawn had it done, dusted and back to normal within what? A month? The movie also does ironicly show pretty well how it could spread pretty easy with people moving and groaning like the zombies even before they appear.

[@Cowboycomando54]

@@kylepeters8690 Honestly a homeless person high off his ass on pain meds or fiending for meth already looks like a shambling corpse, so yeah it would be pretty easy for the public to overlook them.

[@hamishwalker9637]

From memory the "heads in sand" thing from cargo is because in the movie the virus causes a hypersensitivity to light, so theyre doing everything they can to avoid it

[@evilspyke5760]

the walking dead one was about how humans were the enemy. the zombies were a threat at first, later becoming more of a nuisance, but the humans that survived became the enemy.

[@AZGamingMaximum]

The Romero/Walking Dead zombie does have the possibility of becoming an epidemic. World War Z by Max Brooks has one of the more realistic takes on a plausible zombie apocalypse. We are under the notion that most people don't know what is going on and how the world would be caught by surprise by an outbreak. Alot of people would rather run then fight back. One of the chapters (Battle of Yonkers) goes how the military fail to stop a basic outbreak and how they even made the situation worse. This from as simple and napalm not burning zombie because they don't care, and a lot of people taught to aim for center mass. I recommend everyone read that book.

[@kamixakadio2441]

In defense of TWDs case, everybody was infected before the outbreak began, so when people passed away quietly, people wasn't aware of them having turned, until they probably went to a patient to check up on them, and suddenly getting assaulted by the walker, which would have happened a metric ton of times, considering over 300k people die every day, it's easy to see how the world would be overrun that quickly just in terms of quantity. We've also seen "fragile" Walkers overpower big bodybuilder sized people with supposedly impressive strength, so while they're slow, it's not like they're weak, atleast not in the early stages of the apocalypse, before the decay begins.

[@clayxros576]

The inevitability in TWD makes that collapse far easier to believe. The zombies aren't the biggest threat, it's malicious actors and ignorance. Granted it's likely the world would bounce back faster considering even fresh walkers are cannon fodder, but at least it's justified.

[@alexbluer]

@@clayxros576 eh also we have to remember that in the canon of TWD people dont know what zombies are, and also that infected food or water can actually kill you too, and that reanimation can be slow or fast

[@jthompson7175]

IMO, with The Walking Dead they initially took a lot from Romero's Dead movies or at least Night and Dawn. In Dawn of the Dead, they really sold the idea that society collapsed because it tore itself apart and not so much that they were overrun with zombies. You pretty much see this in the opening scenes where everyone in the news room is more concerned with getting out of there than broadcasting what's going on. Then when the police and tenement go to open war over how to handle the dead rather than negotiating and reasoning with each other. Then when our main characters meet up to fly out and run into a group of cops who are fleeing. They exchange a little information, but aren't willing to trade goods or help each other in any meaningful way. In the background as the main characters fly off, we finally see all of the lights go off in the buildings in the backdrop as other people do the exact same thing the main characters are. The hordes of undead were a byproduct of how society operates. Instead of finding a solution to the problem, they continued squabbling and developed new partisan lines rather than solving the problem and the problem grew. Granted, I think Dawn started at least a month in and it definitely took months for society to fully crumble so it didn't happen as fast as The Walking Dead (unless it had started already when Rick went into his coma but nobody noticed yet).

[@christiandauz3742]

Uh... internet, news and radio existed in the 90s people!!!

[@jPlanerv2]

Wasnt TWD plot that everyone was infected and only people who didnt change at the day one were people naturaly immune to the virus? Like majority of walkers in twd were not changed by the bite but they just died to the fever casued by virus, every single survivor is immune to the virus to the point that they dont die from airborne exposition to it only when bitten their immune system cant keep up anymore

[@ponddipper91]

If you want a decent zombie/infected show, try Dead Set, it's made by the same people who did black mirror, and it's very good

[@kawaiiqueee]

he motioned Dead Set in the Reality Z video. That show was bleak but I liked it

[@333rdAlchemist]

Where can I stream it?

[@kylewilliams6091]

@@333rdAlchemist vpn and fmovies

[@ChArLie360115]

British classic

[@amaryllis4661]

Cargo was actually based on a short film with the same name, which was actually better in my opinion. By making it in a full length movie they made the virus too goofy and not dangerous at all.

[@beannathrach2417]

I really like the short. It's about a father's love that is so great that when he realizes he has becomes Rosie's killer to be, he arranges himself to get her to the sanctuary he will never know. Then the people at the sanctuary read the message he left on the daughter.

[@chadthedad03]

18:04 Your tea and crumpets talk is top level.😂

[@joeyHicks1000]

Never understood how the Cordyceps spreads so much in The Last of Us, since a person who dies can't become infected, and the infected actively try to kill survivors, once the initial outbreak happened there would only be fresh infected from spores found in food, which they seem to be able to identify and get around quite easily, and from spores from corpses, which are easily visible in the air.

[@zyro.577]

One word. Wheat.

[@pozzyvibes6997]

The thing about spores is that they'd only be visible in large concentrations. Chances are if you aren't super close to the body there's still gonna be smaller amounts of spores that you can't see. I feel like most people would breathe that shit in way before they even know there's a corpse anywhere nearby. Then there's just gonna be plenty cases of people killing infected but still getting like bitten, like Tess and Ellie.

[@joeyHicks1000]

@@pozzyvibes6997 I guess you might miss the spores, although since there are buildings full of spores withinthe quarenteen zone, I'd guess that inhailing a small amount of spores is not too much of an issue otherwise they'd have burnt the buildings to the ground or whatever it would take to eliminate them. Concidering how many infected were killed in order for Tess, Ellie and Sam to turn without being shredded, the number of infected would still be on a downward trend.

[@pozzyvibes6997]

@@joeyHicks1000 I always view games in lore with like, a grain of salt. The first time you run into spores you don't put your mask on until you're like among them, I always pass this off as game stuff, because irl it would already be too late. We are also following the main characters who are a lot luckier and kinda have plot armour. I feel like most people in the world probably regularly fall victim to inhaling spores or being injured by infected more than we see. Like I say I pass a lot of it off as the fact its a game and we are the main character, in real life I doubt Joel would've been able to take out so many soldiers, hunters, infected etc like he's SAS or Aragorn.

[@john-michaelsauceda5007]

Anything containing wheat tbh. The infection mainly started when the crops were infected, and got into major food sources such as wheat, which is consumed daily in large amounts by basically everyone, especially individuals who live in a poor household. For example I don't make much money, and the amount of penut butter sandwiches I've eaten would be considered concerning. That's just not bread either, that's anything wheat based at all

[@RedFragmentation]

I personally enjoy zombie media with more realistic reasons as to why they actually take over, look at shows like the Last of Us or 28 Weeks Later (yes I know it's in the video, I don't think it's one of the worst contenders by far though) which I personally think makes a lot of sense as to why they actually started and took over more than just the starting country. And then we have the walking dead :')

[@vikingdrengenspiders7875]

Twd makes sense it its Universe No concept of zombie Everyone turns after death Its very possible it could end like twd

[@z-rex6068]

You mean 28 Days Later. The second outbreak that happened in 28 Weeks Later was stupid and unrealistic. All because of a kiss from Don because he couldn’t keep it in his pants. And then he gets out with ease against what should’ve been a heavily guarded zone.

[@hadescerbex9984]

​@@vikingdrengenspiders7875 it really dosent tho people would find out fast only headshots work and after the first handful of people die and just change they would notice and spread the word to dome anyone the dies even if not bit

[@vikingdrengenspiders7875]

@@hadescerbex9984 not nesecerily when Milions die globally everyday

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

​@@vikingdrengenspiders7875 their zombies are both weak and slow. Their skull are so easy to bash open that a 7 year old with a brick could kill them. Aint no way the apocalypse can overtake humanity when even elderly people who can barely lift their own body weight can overpower those zombies with ease

[@tonypeppermint5329]

I'm guessing in Cargo, someone really dropped the ball in keeping the infected count down, especially when some people are down to help make a bad situation worse, and damn, 28 Weeks Later had the really confusing one. A old janitor with a wet mop to hit people would of been a great guard.

[@maximaldinotrap]

I love how these weak ass easily distracted infected managed to take out a military base while getting absolutely destroyed by aborigines and survivors who took up with them who are armed with pointy sticks.

[@CountCalcium]

probably some guy sneezing into water supply/food sources and a sudden influx of infected

[@rosemaryjones5550]

28 weeks later the part that confused me was not the government returning people It was the people agreeing to go

[@ZombieNoodles13]

This is one reason why I really like the Dead Rising series in regards to how and why the zombies keep coming back. Equal parts accidental and malicious incompetence/active usage of the relatively easy to defeat disease. With some outbreaks being accidental or intentional in sporadic patterns across the country, similar partially to a real pandemic (although the involvement in the government is quite exaggerated in the game, it’s especially relevant in our post-COVID era about the general incompetence or malicious inaction of the government to properly respond to a disease for the sake of their own intentions and desires), and the cases wherein it breaks out in large cities allows for the chaotic fun of zombie killing while also having a fairly neat context about how currently you’re simply living the zombified version of running to a grocery store for supplies in a lockdown.

[@CandleWisp]

Speaking of governments, Death Stranding has an interesting take as well. Not technically zombies. But in that game, the spiritual suddenly becomes very real. Life and death not so abstract. Every dead person will turn into a malicious spirit like thing if the body is not burned. BTs they're called. If a BT consumes a person, the reaction via parallel dimension shenanigans, turns them into a living nuke, obliterating the area. Worse, setting off a chain reaction of deaths and nuclear explosions. The Death Stranding refers to the beginning of this phenomena and the subsequent chain reaction that obliterated most of the old world. With that in mind, humanity in this game was heavily discouraged from forming centralised civilisation. After all, a single person unaccounted for, could spell doom for an entire city. Upside is, using the parallel after life, they developed, freakishly fast internet. So fast, it was theorised that they were sending data to the past. So remote working from isolated bunkers linked to a few cities became the new norm. The game also opens up with a terrorist group using dead bodies and suicide bombers to take out cities.

[@vKross]

Considering how Corona Spread and how some of society reacted to it, I can totally imagine that after a while the world would find itself in ruins with a virus like the one in TWD or SOTD. Family Members who will not tell because they wanna protect their loved ones, or that can't bring it over themselves to take the necessary action, disasters that kill multiple people causing a rise in undead, etc.

[@a.c.slater7989]

Lol I don't know why people never thought others would lie about that until the pandemic

[@JC_Cali]

"zOmBiEs aRe A HoAx mAn" as dude gets eaten by grandma. COVID experience totally taught us a lot about ourselves.

[@cubanpete9030]

In the uk we have to wait ages for an ambulance so imagine how many would turn in the first day, society would collapse pretty quick

[@rachaelbean1439]

In New Zealand it is easy to quarantine. Our weak leaks turned out to be security guards who wanted to sleep with cute overseas returned and the selfish bastards and cows that broke their hotel quarantine because they didn't like being stuck in hotels for two weeks. COVID 19 really opened my eyes as to how stupid and selfish people can be.

[@justastudent1423]

There's that, and there's also how the response of so many governments was either lackluster, too slow, too late or even just plain unhelpful. And that's not to mention places where public officials got into cat fights over who had jurisdiction and authority over what, and who should take the blame for everything that went wrong instead of doing anything. So many places botched the response to what was, in the end, a respiratory syndrome with relatively low death rates, I wouldn't rate our chances, as a civilization, of surviving a zombie outbreak very high at all. And if that wasn't enough, people vastly overestimate the military's ability to deal with a generalized outbreak. Most militaries are way too small to ocupy their own countries and would cease to function pretty quickly without being resuplied.

[@enclavesoldier6320]

Project zomboid is worth checking out. I think when they add npcs you will see the downfall and not just the aftermath

[@formerussecretarygeneralba738]

Thank you for mentioning Project Zomboid as its outbreak actually makes sense, in lore there was no Romero zombie films or any other zombie media so no-one knew how to deal with the outbreak, and it was airborne with 20% of the population being immune to the airborne disease but not the liquid/bite disease transmission, leading to the apocalypse and civilisation collapse

[@SpringDavid]

​@@formerussecretarygeneralba738the police, military and news crew watching some unemployed guy clean hordes because molotovs:

[@Honk_The_Goose]

@@MYBALLSARERUNNING it is, it spread through air to africa, europe, and aisia. Its stated ingame in tv and radios.

[@ku5639]

​@@MYBALLSARERUNNING actually, it breached quarantine, so the rest of the world is still screwed over.

[@SirDankleberry]

​@@MYBALLSARERUNNINGAfter a week or two if you listen to the radio they confirm the outbreak has breached the quarantine zone.

[@MrDolearon]

As a no skill janitor who cleans biohazard areas in a hospital, yes I have that clearance my key card opens doors most doctors can not access, and I am expected to clean rooms containing contagious patients.

[@pesoen]

4:26 the military vehicles are heavily armored, but also, IIRC(could be wrong) the lead vehicle is supposed to take the hit, and report that they are stopping, not go out of the way so the precious cargo can be rammed into.

[@Sevness]

I think 28 weeks later could have been better, if it was a Typhoid Marry incident itself, like someone who was infected, but actually is immune, and is spreading it without realizing it. Don't worry, I'm sure 28 Months later will solve everything, and by the time 28 years later comes out it will all be hunky dory!

[@deathtrooper7760]

So the end of 28 weeks later when france get infected, after the little dipshit that got infected like his mother and is an asymptomatic carrier got evacuated. And everything he sneeze, spit and piss on will infect a person that got in contact with.

[@TheTillmanSneakerReview]

Typhoid Mary spread typhoid, a disease acquired from fecal matter. So...she realized it.

[@cow_mangler510]

I really like the explanation given in a game named Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead. Basically, humanity opened a crack in reality through which a chunk of a sentient superorganism size of a planet got on Earth. This organism, XE-037 as it is called in game, escaped its initial containment and got into subterranean water supply, then into the world ocean, where it rapidly divided. One important thing about XE-037 is - it is curable on early stages by consuming a lot of antibiotics, but once it gets to the nervous system the victim is doomed. Anyway, the people who got XE-037 became the catalysts for the apocalypse, and since at that point the it didnt inflict noticable symptoms, the organism was able to spread before pulling the killswitch and taking over infected humans, which were called accordingly - feral humans at that point there were about 2 billion feral humans. Another important note is - a feral human in the game is a person who got their nervous system taken over when they were alive, while a zombie is a person who got their nervous system taken over already after dying. This means that feral humans retained much of their human qualities, which allows them to use weaponry, firearms included, avoid traps and overwhelming danger, and even make basic strategies, but they are also extremely aggresive. Even though armed forces were able to stand after the first wave of riots by both normal and feral people, the situation quickly got worse as every dead person would get up as a zombie if their corpse wasnt burned or otherwise made functionless. This meant that exhausted and attritioned army would have to battle against almost the same wave of enemies, just instead of feral people there were dumber and slower zombies. Too many soldiers and supplies were lost in the first wave, desertion spiked, too much resources was spent on getting rid of the corpses and evacuating the population, which made the army stretch very thin, eventually leading to individual divisions getting wiped out one by one, and after one and a half month of fighting the remains of armed forces and goverment announced that any survivors are on their own and that US no longer exists. The game begins two months after the Cataclysm, or two weeks after the announcment.

[@any1alive]

yep Cdda is pretty based in its approach and lore, and is a fun game too XD

[@CandleWisp]

Sounds really cool! Antibiotics part reminds me of Barotrauma. The zombies in that game are called husks. Aptly named because the parasite that takes over the brain also slowly hollows out the host replacing it with its own tissue. In the early stages, regular ol antibiotics are sufficient. In later stages, only a special serum made of the parasite itself could neutralise the infection.

[@carlosacebo9055]

in army of the dead its pretty implied the alpha zombies dont want to leave vegas, thats their kingdom they know they would get killed outside for now, and soldiers not knowing what they are moving sounds pretty normal

[@haleydarko2989]

Would love to see you cover Warm Bodies! Read the book when I was a teenager and loved it as an adult I'd probably think it's pretty stupid. But the whole power of friendship curing the world of zombies is pretty funny.

[@gremlininblue2601]

I always really liked the zombie's pov aspect of that

[@TheCheshireMadcat]

I love the movie, but was disappointed they never used Motley Crue's song, Kick Start My Heart.

[@SupremeMetalOverlord]

Normally I tend to always get scared of zombie films (no idea why but it just happens) but I remember going with my friends (who adored zombie films at the time) and we went to see 28 Weeks later in the cinema. We were all bashing our heads at the absolute stupidity of the film we even got a refund and left the cinema mid showing.

[@janicemacomber4092]

Here's a question that could maybe somehow warrant a video: what makes for better storytelling, a world where we as the viewers learn exactly where or how the zombie infection originated, like All Of Us Are Dead or 28 Days Later, or one where we don't know where the infection came from?

[@jonnypope1537]

My favorite part of any zombie movie or show is generally the initial outbreak. So in my personal opinion it would likely be ones where we know how it started.

[@CheeseAndCrackers_]

The Walking Dead is (imo) one of the more plausible scenarios, a lot of zombie movies/games with running zombies (eg. Dying Light & The Last of Us) require the host to be alive when they turn, but the zombies don't bite you and run, they will kill and eat you, so having large amounts of zombies isn't realistic since most people would bleed out or be killed before they turned

[@leopardgotgames4030]

Now remember that depends on the virus because in WWZ it's a Hive mind virus that infects people and it doesn't wanna eat people it just wants to bite them once and get them infected then move on to the next healthy host. Now if you are already infected with another deadly virus or disease it will ignore you because your not a healthy host. So yeah depends on the Virus.

[@sawyerjohnston2544]

Who wins in a fight: ridiculously slow walking reanimated corpses or heavily armed survivors, police, and military

[@23Bandz_]

I think we all know the answer to that…. the *iNfEcTeD*

[@paulclifton9488]

I think the best explanation for a Zombie apocalypse being so successful is Frank Tayell's "Surviving The Evacuation" series of books. I also highly recommend them, they eventually grow to encompass the whole world.

[@yesanameirequested1682]

Well, you know, in zombie movies, they tell you to just stay indoors, keep distance, or what other safety measures you have, and people just defy them, so you would be like: Oh couldn't be me in that situation. Well, this is what happened a couple of years ago.

[@Marcinex]

Interesting topic, the ones that could be avoided I myself am thinking about right now and can't find any myself. I do believe the weaponized virus outbreaks like the ones in Resident Evil and Dying Light 2 would have happened one way or another.

[@christopherrobbins0]

What people tend to forget is how difficult it really is to kill someone you know or love.

[@flashstudiosguy]

Which is why most of the initial outbreaks we see are often interpreted by Law Enforcement as "Sporadic Acts of Intense Violence and Civil Unrest"

[@UnholyWrath3277]

Eh you underestimate just how much of our population truly put themselves first. Our society is just built so few people ever have to show it anymore

[@thechangeling3851]

​@UnholyWrath3277 I think it would be true initially, but after the initial "hit the fan" I think people would find ways to cope/get around it. Ex. Separating the "sick" person from whom they are in life, considering that they wouldn't want what they are doing and that "they" are no longer there at best or "trapped inside" at worst and deserve a mercy killing. Another few options are as follows: 1. Handing off the duty to another survivor or someone that can "do it quick and with dignity" 2. Captivity/isolation: a more dangerous option certainly, but one that is feasible is locking the walker/infected in a room and clearly marking the room with countless warnings for a "cleaner" to deal with at a later date...if done correctly (bound, tied, and restrained) there is little risk of actual escape, and warning to prior survivors. At that rate either the victim starves (but is unable to hurt anyone) or be killed by someone whom is prepared and can. 3.minute explosives...a bit more "messy" of a solution, but another idea I has thought about was the use of specialized "collars" that have a small plastic explosive inside, either to be set on a delayed timer (long enough to say prayers, give goodbyes, and process grief...but not long enough to turn fully and become a risk) or have a detonater that is outside of eyesight...this way one doing the explosive dosen't have to witness or be exposed to the action. It's kind of heartless, but is effective as with a collar the plastic explosive if not able to explode the head severely damages the spinal cord leaving an infected unable to really effectively harm others. The only risk of this however is contamination/mess as an explosive is much messier than a bullet when it comes to clean up in many cases...especially to the cranium. It's depressing to consider, but this is likely the only humane option to euthanize those whom are infected that are of a certain strata of the population that it would be VERY traumatizing to kill even when infected (im not gonna spell this group out, but it's one I feel gets neglected in a lot of zombie media and people coping with needing to handle them) The chief goals is the separation of a zed/infected from whom they were, provide an effective means to neutralize them as a threat, and in cases give them (or rather whom they are/were before turbing) dignity and respect humans should deserve.

[@totallynoteverything1.]

good thing I don't like my family

[@tommikaelsen9149]

Tell me about it. Wasn't a zombie virus but I was determined not to let Cathy suffer from that canker sore.

[@inspectorwinship9538]

Thank you! You hit every point on Walking Dead/Romero walkers I've always griped about. Even the Russian military would be able to end that type of ZA within a week. It took the original Romero movie one night with regular, gun toting, 60s style, rednecks to take back the town. Two nests of M60s would eliminate the entire Zed population of Atlanta in less than an evening, let alone a single M1 rolling over the top of them. Hell, Rick and Shane could have saved their town single handedly as you watch them progress through season 1. However, zombie films are primarily about the failure of humans/government to meet the challenge of a global pandemic due to political pet projects/paranoia, and not about common sense.

[@patrickripleyiii134]

The only reason it happened was because rick was in that coma, it he was awake it would've been over

[@CKzoidYT]

The reason twd took over so quick was because of its unpredictability. Everybody is infected and it can take minutes or hours to turn after death. Hospitals would have so many unpredictable turns that would close them all down due to terminally ill patients dying. Nobody knew everybody who dies would turn let alone you can only kill them with a headshot

[@Sillymonkey-or1zo]

WWZ (the book, not the shitshow movie) did a really good job of showing a very likely was in which romero style walkers could cause societal collapse. It is worth a read and a million times better than movie.

[@n0thum4n]

The Walking Dead fake Zombies werent part of their lore so they didnt know what was going on and for a lot of people they didnt know everyone was infected so they werent worried about non-bitten ppl and ppl also would hide non-lethal bites since they take time to turn the person and they actual mention issues like that where ppl hid the infection or killed themselves without knowing they’d come back and set off a mass panic and kill off tons as well as we watch the kid die from that weird illness that plagues the prison in the middle of the night and sends them into a panic that gets a lot of ppl killed or bitten

[@jarate8076]

Tfw you demoralize the zombies to stop infecting people

[@susanhill2110]

The end of 28 weeks later always gets me, yes we know the boy is a carrier and not a rage infected monster but how did he spread the virus to his sister and pilot?

[@remuvs]

Coulda splatter sneezed or something, who knows.

[@nobbieslicks2237]

What I wanna know is how they got to France without being intercepted by the NATO blockade around the island.

[@ElixirOfEuphoria]

He definitely seemed like the type to make out with his sister

[@LaloSalamancaGaming69]

@@ElixirOfEuphoria😟

[@InitialPC]

@@nobbieslicks2237 there is a train tunnel that goes from britain to northern france, they used that tunnel to escape

[@macthejackalranger9887]

9:25 having been in an ER several times for work reason, it would be a very rough go at that if there was a chance for post mortem reanimation people would fight, scream, and lawyer up tooth and nail if there was a regular need to restrain someone. with that in mind, I would find it cathartic for there to be an ER drama in an Zombie outbreak like event.

[@gumbomanmash6762]

The thing that makes the most sense in 28 weeks later is that a janitor has high level clearance. Recent pentagon leaks prove as much

[@xreaperxiii]

To clarify something about military vehicles and transporting top secret cargo. Military equipment is all made by the lowest bidder. None of it is as durable as you would think. Most of it barely works and harsh language is enough to break it. And no, you're not told what you're transporting when it's highly classified. Your commander will know. The squad will not.

[@haikukillyou1971]

Yes, it’s made by the lowest bidder , but also most armored military vehicles are predicted underneath to prevent IED explosions. The main body of the vehicle will drop protecting the soldiers inside plus the tires are larger than that vehicle so if it ran into that wrecker it would have been crushed. As for transporting something like that, you would most likely have a special forces unit doing it not standard 88M doing it so I’m assuming that they would have more information since they are a more specialized unit. at least that’s what you could hope guarantee since it is the American military if it makes sense, we won’t do it.

[@spearthumb1936]

I’ve seen the results of normal vehicles being hit by up armored vehicles. The up armored ones are typically fine or have little damage. Also had a buddy hit a bear with an LMTV and the LMTV didn’t even lose speed (going downhill) A random car isn’t going to flip a HMMT

[@WiseFish]

Mr House and the NCR will sort out the zombie infestation don't you worry!

[@Tk_aka_MuntPunt]

Yes man has it covered

[@seanbrown2294]

Easy Pete wouldnt even have to get out of his chair to deal with the zombie horde.

[@mothman6378]

i've always loved the dead rising outbreak where the military actually does their job and quarantines large areas, your character is literally a player in an extreme sport where zombies are used as hazards in a dirtbike obstacle course, it's incredible.