TNA Victory Road 2009 Review | Wrestling With Wregret

[@mspawn1234]

Seems like Nash enjoyed the show. He didn’t even blink.

[@Lostmymind1]

It was kind of weird how he watched himself on screen. Must have been a replay of the event.

[@RooseveltsAllLivesMatter]

I don't know who Nash is but I can see Oz from WCW circa 1992

[@lucaslonchampt613]

@@RooseveltsAllLivesMatter You sure it's not Vinnie Vegas?

[@nyghtmareinmi]

That's cause blinking would have turn both ACL's again.

[@thomaslippiatt7107]

Ironically more energy than he showed for most of His TNA run

[@sonicheroxd5767]

"This show did not have a single match above 2 and a half stars. It had one match that I gave MINUS FIVE STARS!" -Bryan Alvarez, 2009

[@stevenreid2571]

Classic.

[@maxs4bill]

Love that review

[@ichigome5554]

"I'm not giving them a pass because they're TNA."

[@sonicheroxd5767]

@@ichigome5554 "IT IS 2009!"

[@Mike-zx6sl]

the funniest part isn't even Bryan, it's Vinny's notes: "oh god it's getting worse. worst comeback ever. worst match ever."

[@CHAOTIXMaddLass]

The fact this event happened in 2009...when tna was still a good alternative to wwe breaks my heart even more

[@comixproviderftw_02]

2009 was only the beginning of TNA's mediocrity.

[@robertpeacock894]

Listen to Eric Bischoff’s podcast when he talks about TNA. It was the ultimate failed potential mess. A TV company that wanted to do everything for them, and a company that wouldn’t do anything for itself.

[@The_Real_DCT]

@@robertpeacock894 yup, TNA since day one really. They could have been what AEW is now but, nope. Jeff Jarrett made it a play ground for him and his buddies and then Bob Carter bought it to give Dixie a plaything and the saddest part is that now that they finally have people who know what they're doing and want to make it sucessful, it's been tainted so bad that I honestly don't know if they ever can turn it around. I hope so

[@d.52555]

@@The_Real_DCT feel the same way, it’s so sad. Im rooting for current impact!

[@SnipingIsFun]

@@comixproviderftw_02 They had a bad run for a good couple of year before picking it back up by 2014.

[@mage4242]

Alvarez would've given it Minus Six stars if it were in the Tokyo Dome

[@slammydunk9787]

It would’ve at least 3 stars if happened in Jacksonville.

[@sonicheroxd5767]

He actually joked that the match should've been Minus Six Stars after Dave told him the whole purpose of the match was to get AWESOME KONG over.

[@ASANYC93]

You hit it on the nail Bryan! “Too many wrestlers are working for free”. I appreciate the talent but at the same time you gotta feed yourself and your family.

[@Chellz801]

@@bhumibolrushing7830You are the textbook example of a dbag

[@toptiertech7291]

@@Chellz801 for spitting facts?

[@RandoChrisYT]

When Botchamania had that clip of Mick Foley saying "ladies and gentlemen, what you’re about to witness…is truly hideous" Maffew meant it.

[@Dynaman21]

To paraphrase Roger Ebert - “I hated this PPV. Hated hated hated hated hated this PPV. Hated it. Hated every simpering stupid vacant audience-insulting moment of it. Hated the sensibility that thought anyone would like it. Hated the implied insult to the audience by its belief that anyone would be entertained by it.”

[@sheepdavis]

Roger Ebert was a fucking clown

[@HeinerGunnar]

Every time you say "The Beautiful People" I hear a Marilyn Manson echo in my mind

[@Squeakypickles619]

WOOAAAAAAAAAAOH

[@morecoltholio]

it makes me think of 2002 smackdown, which makes me want to go watch 2002 smackdown which is better than watching victory road 2009

[@HeinerGunnar]

@@morecoltholio "better than Victory Road '09" is not a high bar

[@kidneystonermusic]

@@Squeakypickles619 dudda dun DAH dun.... whaaaaaa

[@paganjay1085]

Everytime I see TNA Beautiful People, I smell meth and rotten crab meat.

[@themadkingatmey]

Man, hell-evator is a pretty grand finisher name.

[@TheseBitchesWantNikes]

I like the DWI.

[@gabepollock1641]

@@TheseBitchesWantNikes DWI was one of the more clever names TNA ever came up with. Giving Beer Money a finish with that name and calling it “Drinking While Investing” was a stroke of genius.

[@BreadHart]

Also Sounds like a good name for B horror movie.

[@SomeDumbKid1]

Alexander Hammerstone uses that same move and calls it the Nightmare Pendulum. Also a great name.

[@vincentn.sandro7023]

Brian on the first Classic PPV review: “ I don’t think I’m gonna do negative star reviews” Brian 4 years later: 12:24

[@norbertotamez]

Thanks Van Hammer & Doug Summers

[@PaleHorseShabuShabu]

Nash is looking at the TV like, "This show could use more finger pokes."

[@Jetfire507PTY]

And torn quads.

[@LordDeBahs]

needs more hair flips

[@kokotheclown2588]

With a little corner bumps for desert

[@Fantasy_Flan]

Jenna getting stomped on and just laying there like she's actually dead made me chuckle

[@timmi2198]

So so bad

[@guillermosierracuellar9812]

Tna: we are not wwe, 8 of the 9th matches of that ppv involved former wwe stars and made Foley world champion before the ppv

[@michaelsinger4638]

I love Foley, but he had no business being a world champion at this time. The guy could barely move. Also he got to be world champion, but Christopher Daniels never did, WTF?

[@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090]

@@michaelsinger4638 yes

[@SpiralPoliFemboy]

@@michaelsinger4638 Not to mention Tommy Dreamer in TNA from 2010 to 2011. He was a great heel and was one of the few good things about the product. Hogan and his pals took all of Dreamer's well deserved spotlight. Even now he's still trying to save this lost cause of a company. The guy has been TNA's MVP for a decade. The guy deserved at least one title reign, even a tag title reign with Eddie Edwards or RVD would've been fine. The fact that he hasn't held one title in the company's history makes my blood boil.

[@mikescott8903]

@@SpiralPoliFemboy well you should check with him..he doesn't want the title.

[@mrcold8966]

And WWE is is a whise who of roh and njpw guys

[@kenterminateddq5311]

12:23 SPOILER ALERT: A Wrestling With Wregret first, which is no surprise on THIS match.

[@djpegao]

There was no other way he could do it, it's just that bad.

[@kenterminateddq5311]

@Ian Thompson But what match would get the 10 stars? Any Steamboat vs Flair match? That's a 6 star match, IMO.

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

Still can't beat the pushing trucks.

[@TimmyTickle]

@@kenterminateddq5311 Omega-Okada?

[@kenterminateddq5311]

@@TimmyTickle That's a good choice for a 6 star match.

[@joshmau4472]

Started watching this again for what I thought was no reason but...RIP Daffney

[@wstine79]

Jenna's entrance to the ring and her pin deserve a "Doing it for the Content" T-Shirt cover up.

[@comixproviderftw_02]

ASSCHEEKS That's it...

[@gabepollock1641]

To quote Vinny: “It seemed to all the world that her entrance was designed to show off her asshole. Not just the ass, her actual tunnel.”

[@TheCamSays]

WAGON. That is all.

[@whitemamba24xe98]

“MINUS 5 STARS!!!” - Bryan Alvarez

[@Top10Wrestling]

I think this is easily the worst PPV I've ever watched

[@NexusFantismo]

Ayyye! You knew Top10 was gonna show up for this one. That and MarkyD123 are my go-to channels for classic TNA stuff.

[@newaceoftheuniverse5948]

It's looks like that you didn't watched a single wcw ppv in 2000

[@TheRedBaron1917]

It looks you didn't watch new blood rising

[@Rosario_Verano]

Uncensored 1996

[@BulletClub444Life]

Heroes of Wrestling makes this PPV look like Wrestlemania X7. Seriously.

[@ZjTwams]

Fun fact. When that chokeslam ended the AJ-Nash match, it was so out of nowhere and so shoddy as a finish, that I yelled 'What the fuck?!' at the TV. It was the first time my dad had ever heard me curse. I was 17 XD

[@rickyrosay33977]

That chokeslam looked weak and aj being a resilient guy a move like that finishing him off didn't make any sense

[@monkeyman5866]

To borrow a phrase from Brian Zane: Never before, Never again...GOD WILLING!

[@MovieEggman]

The unofficial tagline for the John Cena Vs The Rock match at WrestleMania 29

[@krebyrocks77]

All this PPV needed was Tony Schiavone to announce during the Sharmell/Jenna match that this is the greatest night in the history of our sport.

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

That would have been a chef kiss moment.

[@rexcatston8412]

There's bound to be someone out there with a wcw box set and some good audio isolation software. Somebody could make this happen!

[@MajinHercule]

Well, Schiavone gets paid to do that. But you know he'd be saying it as he reaches under the desk for a bottle or six of Jack Daniels....

[@michaelsinger4638]

Nothing says “we’re a new and fresh company” like having a bunch of aging past their prime ex-WWE/WCW guys hogging the main event spots. That Jenna vs. Sharmell match was, legendary, for all the wrong reasons. All-time terrible PPV.

[@kevinramsey417]

Wait till Hogan gets there.

[@PierzStyx]

@@kevinramsey417, to be clear, Hogan never once held a title in TNA.

[@mrcold8966]

Well to be fair nothing says we have a state of the art preformance center and training facility along with some of the best coaches in the world like just hiring a bunch of already established guys from ROH, TNA and NJPW

[@IncredibleFulk1]

Reminds me of Victory Road 2004’s tagline “The old dies so the young may rise.” Only for that PPV to end with three old guys (Jarrett, Hall and Nash) beating up a younger Jeff Hardy.

[@davidlewis5312]

at least they're the heels this time. WCW did this story but AJ and Beer Money would have been the bad guys.

[@aaronman4772]

Man, the Bryan and Vinny review of this is just legendary, the best thing to come out of this PPV. Classic lines about “Until… of course, THE FINISH”, “EARL HEBNER WINS THE RACE”, and of course “MINUS. FIVE. STARS.”

[@Spacewizzard090]

"And then Tazz comes down, and he's entirely square, looking like a piece of luggage" always get me

[@drewbradley9832]

your forgetting vinny notes on the sharmel jenna match which were all in capertial letters JENNAS ENTRANCE SHARMELL GEAR IT HORRIBLE ITS GETTING WORSE JENNA IS BABY FACE WORST COME BACK EVER WORST MATCH EVER plus jenna did a lap dance sat on her face and pinned sharmel with her crotch

[@docthemetalfreak]

Jenna Morasca VS Sharmell makes Goldberg VS Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania 20 look extremely impressive

[@RealGateGuardian]

All of Lesnar's matches and fights suck. But Morasca and Sharmell was in infinitely worse

[@ericmonaco4509]

Makes Trish Stratus and Bradshaw vs Miss Jackie and Christopher Nowinski look like Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania 25

[@Slick5150]

2009 is the year where TNA started losing both their identity and their mind with all these questionable decisions going forward

[@Vesperitis]

10 years after WCW lost its mind. Its like poetry it rhymes.

[@rmcastillo83]

@@Vesperitis This is why Vince Russo no longer works in pro wrestling.

[@romanramirez7847]

Agreed. 2009 is where they lost faith in young talent like AJ, Daniels, Joe, Storm, Roode, Lethal, Sabin, Shelley, EY and Amazing Red in favor of past their prime talents like Angle, Sting, Foley, Jarrett, Steiner, Booker and Nash. It would only get worse when ex WWE guys like Jeff Hardy, Bully Ray, Mr Anderson and RVD hogged the spotlight in the years to come.

[@rmcastillo83]

@@romanramirez7847 what’s strange is that outside of the MCMG and Lethal no one you listed could actually be considered young in 2009, they were all in their athletic prime or coming up to it. That’s what makes TNA booking strategy even stranger why not push the guys who would end up wrestling for another 10-15 years over the guys who were just killing time before their WWE Hall of Fame induction?

[@jojo-b55]

Here's a thought: if iMPACT! already had Kong & Bolt at the show, why not have THEM wrestle & let Sharmell and Jenna be ringside for their representatives? Edit: spelling error

[@redbigun]

Jenna vs Sharmell definitely set women's wrestling back a decade. Not a reference to the reaction to that Jericho bump or the Zombie lumberjacks. This genuinely made women's wrestling look bad.

[@ForWhatItsWorth_]

A few decades

[@Vesperitis]

Nope, you are absolutely right.

[@kandyperez9917]

@@virophage7331 said no one ever but you

[@enigmaskull3495]

Nightmare Match: Jenna Morasca vs Eva Marie

[@nyghtmareinmi]

As opposed to the whole AEW women's division except for Saraya.

[@SnipingIsFun]

So, technically, Steven Richards would have been helping Abyss when he was in Right To Censor. 😂😂😂

[@outlawrip-offartist4161]

Being a TNA wrestling fan is like being in abusive relationship.

[@The_Real_DCT]

So being a WWE fan now?

[@outlawrip-offartist4161]

@@The_Real_DCT yes and no WWE is such a big company you could watch six hours of WWETV without even watching raw every week.

[@Hyde_Hill]

Was always the case with TNA their highs where higher their lows where lower.

[@chadzbirdzofficial4631]

@@The_Real_DCT 💯

[@DocDevious23]

You could generalize that as just being a wrestling fan period. At least, that's what it feels like

[@MaverickBoy303.]

The second most infamous PPV of TNA history, I’ve been waiting for you to take on this one

[@RaccoonRevolution]

I have never felt so bad for Awesome Kong. And I've felt bad for her several times.

[@skippythealien9627]

as horrific as that match was...she still got more heat from splashing Morasca than anything she did when WWE absolutely wasted her

[@enigmaskull3495]

I felt bad for Awesome Kong for being associated with the Sharmell and Jenna trainwreck.

[@burnthetrolls5971]

"Daniels, not Christopher Daniels just Daniels" ok so Vince stole that taking wrestlers name away shit from TNA huh the more you know

[@AuroDHikoshi]

He loses his hair then on and off with his name...

[@TheSkyatollah]

As an Impact fan, there's this misconception that they were good up until Hogan and Bischoff took over then tanked. They were already a shadow of what they once were in 2009, Hogan and Bischoff just sped up the decline.

[@SlvrStryker]

10:03 As two men in the wrestling reviewing circle once put it... "We have...the match." "That match..."

[@SpiderFab4]

"Say the line, Brian!" 12:23

[@xRedx0]

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@cf87]

When people ask why did TNA hang on the edge of folding for so long and why it never was a legitimate threat to WWE, show them this Pay Per View.

[@RustyShackleford101]

Also, why was Lauren waiting for Tara TO COME OUT OF THE SHOWER?!?! Jesus, tell us how you really feel Lauren!

[@kandyperez9917]

Just wow. And not to mention, this was around the time that TNA was setting the new standard for American Women's Wrestling.

[@JDotWill]

I completely forgot about the “Daniels” era where they just randomly dropped the “Chris”

[@lewisaino]

Was there an explanation on why TNA dropped it? Eg StoryLine.

[@thehorrorhound6575]

@@lewisaino no, he was fired by feast or fired in 2007 and in 2008 he came back as curry man for like a year, and then in 09’ he came back as just “Daniels”

[@lewisaino]

@@thehorrorhound6575 Thxs

[@WaterborneCamper]

I always loved Daffney, going right back to the WCW days.

[@sumobo7108]

same

[@mychaeljones7526]

Yeah she was cool too bad she had things bothering her.

[@caeert2962]

This PPV is proof that TNA was awful before Hogan and Bischoff joined them.

[@dr.kasimirmosebusch9575]

Every Company can have a stinker

[@TheSkyatollah]

It isn't a rule.

[@cctitansfan]

I remember watching this for free on stream and I still felt like I wanted my money back and I didn't pay a damn dime

[@rmcastillo83]

If TNA paid you to watch this show you still would have been ripped off

[@zendogmultimedia]

i think it's interesting that even bigger youtubers have to go the extra mile to get past copyright./.....good to see its not just us plebs

[@gagetolinwrites6845]

So, why didn't the MEM just leave the building before the Angle/Foley match? They already had all of the titles

[@sethfreakinrollins9889]

I think I'm one of the only few who really enjoyed TNA in 2009. I stopped watching around 2011-2012, and I just recently got back into it.

[@JamesBurrTV]

2012 is a great year - brilliant Roode run as world champ and Aries' dominant run as X Division champ, culminating in a contest between them. Great stuff. Started to go downhill once the Aces and 8s got introduced.

[@Hyde_Hill]

@@JamesBurrTV Yeah the 2011-2012 stuff was really good minus Claire Lynch and Aces and Eights post Devon reveal. And even the whole Lynch stuff gave us Bad Influence and some great matches.

[@claymathewselevator8121]

@@Hyde_Hill Claire Lynch

[@Hyde_Hill]

@@claymathewselevator8121 Thanks corrected.

[@violentbryan21]

Just got back into it? That sucks

[@jonmagic1123]

No idea why, but watching Kevin Nash watching abyss and the Dr. Steve angle with a wtf look on his face just makes me laugh

[@munstrumridcully]

Nash can be funny in his mannerisms :)

[@lworthy2518]

I was laughing a little too hard at Nash's reactions to the Sharmell/Jenna match. 😂

[@comixproviderftw_02]

Say it with now people... *inhales* M I N U S F I V E S T A R S

[@brownbelpois]

M I N U S F I V E S T A R S

[@MinscFromBaldursGate92]

And pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing...

[@ericmonaco4509]

➖🖐⭐

[@SuperNerdDaniel]

For me, the most baffling thing about the "Slick Johnson having sex with Madison Rayne in exchange for biased refereeing in favor of the Beautiful People" reveal is how Madison, upon running into Lauren, she tells Lauren to keep her mouth shut about this -- **DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE ROOM**. Like, this wasn't the kind of wrestling segment where there's a camera, but you're meant to suspend your disbelief a bit and not acknowledge the camera; it was literally a segment of Lauren speaking to the fans and the commentary table specifically to give them a follow-up on the Slick Johnson thing from the opener. The fact that people outside of the room were watching the segment, and everyone in it, AS IT HAPPENED IN REAL TIME, was acknowledged, which means the camera was part of the segment and was there the whole time, SO HOW EXACTLY WAS LAUREN MEANT TO NOT TELL ANYONE ABOUT MADISON BOINKING SLICK WHEN A LIVE CAMERA CAUGHT THEM IN THE ACT???

[@mychaeljones7526]

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[@theluckiesteh9058]

Never Before. Never Again. ....Until Shelly vs. Rebel.

[@animenut2591]

Hi 2022 here we are now getting bobby Lashley vs Brock Lesnar at the royal rumble.... yall have a great day

[@Venemofthe888]

Nash when he was in TNA behind the scenes use to hang out with the younger guys and gave team 3d a shouting at for injuring Sabin and the fact team 3d didn't care or apologised for.

[@TheWinstonSlip]

Respect to Super Shredder!

[@JM1993951]

He seems like he grew up from that Kliq shit and is actually a cool guy backstage.

[@IncredibleFulk1]

Nash was also against the idea MEM because it always led to the younger getting beaten. When TNA wanted to reform MEM in 2011, Nash said he would do it if they made the younger talent look credible vs MEM. But after seeing Angle beat down a younger star, Nash left for WWE. At least that’s what I heard.

[@wstine79]

The Legends Championship. A belt so worthless, VACANT is embarrassed to have the belt on his resume.

[@ryankeefe6222]

I liked it when it was the TV championship

[@dizzy1369]

Vacant will truly never retire.

[@rmcastillo83]

Because of how many times it changed names I’ve referred to this belt as the Ed Leslie Championship.

[@michaelskoomamacher5652]

Shame, it has IWGP vibes on it.

[@slashandbones13]

It had four different names over the years, the company forgot the belt even existed for long periods of time.

[@mrkipling2201]

The way you said “ the man called Sting!! “ I thought the advisor to Samoa Joe was going to be Meng/Haku!!

[@heatherhonick1910]

Brian youre the man for sitting through this for us. Bless you.

[@MrSkullHead1250]

If there is a voice for pro wrestling here on KZbin, it is you in my opinon. Not taking anything away from other wrestling focused channels, cause I love quite a few of them, but you are the MVP for sure. Your videos have an addicting quality to them, especially your classic ppv reviews. I can't possibly imagine how much work is put in to these videos. The shows that are a slog to get through must be brutal, like this one haha. Anyway, I love what you do, keep killing it.

[@ChristopherJohn4389]

The list of patreon names sound like a list of Tough Enough's finalists.

[@NSignus]

I was waiting to hear Minus Five Stars. Was not disappointed. A classic moment for an infamous match.

[@getbn6547]

Jenna vs Sharmell is a 7-star banger. I've never laughed so hard at wrestling in my life. Who cares if the technical wrestling was bad? I laughed and had fun watching it.

[@TheAlan136]

Sting being betrayed is on the same level as The Big Show constant heel/face turns.

[@lfrostyrabbitl1178]

God, that Jenna vs Sharmell match. It really says something when, despite this show already being absolute trash, that one match still manages to stick out so much as the worst thing about the show by far.

[@TankHardcheese]

"Say the line, Zane!" 12:23 "YAAAAAAAAAAAY!"

[@tthomaselli2]

Nice sing-along by Brian Zane at 15:23-15:27. Also, did he just make that up, himself?...

[@SanosukeX215]

Well at least Kevin Nash seemed to enjoy the show 😅

[@CommenjouerFr-gplus]

To quote a certain MarkyD: This PPV can shuv it! (And now, I may be hit by a brick)

[@CheezusChrist1776]

**A wild Slapnuts appears**

[@rickisgrate]

And if you know a wrestler who can doooo the J. O. B, any night, any day ha ha, drop their name in the comments jack

[@CommenjouerFr-gplus]

@@rickisgrate You forgot the H.A.W.K.. You missed the opportunity to win a hawk feather.

[@kennethmalone4689]

Nash was really focused and paying attention to every match on that screen, including his own. No wonder he's considered one of the best technical masters to ever step foot in the squared circle.

[@speedwaynutt]

The best thing about this ppv was the Main Event Mafia holding all the gold at the end of the event. Seriously loved that group.

[@enigmaskull3495]

They had a good theme song too.

[@romanramirez7847]

I respectfully disagree. While it was a cool moment, it also makes you wonder why they would push all of these old past their prime guys in favor of much more deserving talent (AJ, Roode, Ey Storm). They even had Nash beat AJ. 🤦‍♂️

[@adamcahn9315]

No truth to the rumor that Kevin Nash tore both his quads running out of the room b/c he couldn’t watch the PPV anymore...even his match.

[@At0micPunk90]

Ah, yes. The PPV that gave us Bryan Alvarez's legendary "MINUS! FIVE! STARS!"

[@bentarbuck6161]

you only have to look at taz in AEW to see what good he could have done, and it felt like TNA were going that route but they didnt commit to it and took the easy way out by putting him on commentary. i've always been such a huge taz fan and was gutted he spent so long out of wrestling

[@BigLee1901]

They should of booked Jenna vs. Sharmell similar to Vince vs. Trump and have Kong and Bolt be in ring representives instead of managers as Kong and Bolt on their worst days would put on a better match

[@NotsoseriousNick]

The one, the only. The day TNA truly reached peak memehood

[@chrisbreezy3048]

It finally happened. Brian reviews not only a terrible show, but also a match that is even worse than Jerry Lawler/Michael Cole at WrestleMania XXVII.

[@WilliamJohnson-ml7ij]

Mick Foley cutting the promo of the night. What a shock. Dude was the one of the best talkers ever

[@AllenHerns]

You know a PPV is bad when you wanted a refund for a show that you didn't buy.

[@AllenHerns]

@@virophage7331 Ok grammar nazi.

[@claymathewselevator8121]

When he said Mike Tenay and DW I immediately had Arthur flashbacks 😂

[@TheUltimateVoid]

Since I discovered this channel years ago, I've been waiting patiently for this review......and boy I was not disappointed :D Thanks a lot, Z-man!

[@guillermosierracuellar9812]

Did Sharmell thought she was competing in a evening gown match or not

[@discordinc]

Wow, Kurt is unrecognizable from this time. Also, nice to know Impact pioneered the "wrestlers randomly lose their first or last name" gimmick before WWE

[@Dinobot2]

Is the "Showing clips on the small TV" a new thing now, or is there some litigious action from TNA/Impact that you're trying to avoid?

[@dn22pkkdd476]

Why not both

[@jakefoley9539]

As someone who was actively watching TNA during this time I can say this was probably the beginning of the end for the promotion. Just one year earlier TNA had been at it's absolute peak with the MEM in top form. They were doing so well that they were actually starting to steal fans away from WWE, who were doing an especially lackluster job at the time. A lot of people thought we were going into another war, but it quickly simmered out and after this things were just never the same.

[@saintdane05]

Why does stevie, a doctor, compare his patient to art? Instead of using a more medical based promo?

[@Vesperitis]

Because its TNA.

[@awzthemusicalreviews]

I always took him as a "parody" of Eugene Landy (Brian Wilson's controversial psychiatrist), so it kind of makes sense in that context. Landy arguably viewed Brian as a project rather than a patient, so I think that's what they were going for (though, as the previous comment said, it's TNA so who knows lol)

[@saintdane05]

@@awzthemusicalreviews that makes a ton of sense actually. But why now? To an audience of nu-metal guys and older metal guys?

[@awzthemusicalreviews]

@@saintdane05 nobody ever accused wrestling of being timely with its parody angles lol it took WWE a couple years before Double J parodied Milli Vanilli if I'm getting my timeline correct, and Simon Dean was a parody of video tapes that were at their peak popularity decades beforehand

[@lewisaino]

For Normies

[@colonthree88]

having never watched TNA or wrestling in general for a while after the attitude/early ruthless aggression era and getting back into it in the latter half of the '10s, i genuinely enjoy looking at these i knew the stuff i grew up with, i didn't know about the stuff that happened afterwards

[@alexisharo4886]

MINUS FIVE STARS!!!

[@TheGamingPegasus187]

There it is, the long multi-year arc to Brians first MINUS 5 STAR match is over. From never wanting to do zero stars, to never going negative to this. What a story arc!

[@TheCheat420]

MINUS FIVE STARS!

[@diabeticman2194]

Very recently watched the Jenna/Sharmell match on KZbin, it certainly was a moment in wrestling. Sad to see the rest of the card didn’t improve from that, but I will say Jenna’s selling/slaps does make me chuckle

[@Mike-zx6sl]

The scary thing is that Sharmell and Jenna is still somehow better than Rebel vs Shelly Martinez. I think even Bryan Alvarez agreed it was worse hahaha. But yea that match sucked.

[@Chigen_Atomic]

I think Daniels was one of those weird workarounds when he kept getting fired and rehired under different gimmicks. Curious how the Han/Leia reference came about. Also mysterious in that he never made reference to or interacted with Abyss' father and brother. Why they couldn't have the wrestlers in each persons corner wrestle for them vs standing their uselessly.

[@harshckuk]

WCW 2000 has some competition

[@KimonoFlareonGX]

In the immortal words of Bryan Alvarez, “MINUS! FIVE! STARS!”.

[@darrylseamer2619]

Why was Stevie always jobbed out?! Great look great worker and was so entertaining

[@icewinddale2675]

After watching Double or Nothing and then watching this, all I can think of is the irony of the two clowns responsible for this abortion, Cornette and Russo, are two who grifts the most from grievance podcasts about today's wrestling 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️. Holy Grift Jesus. Can't wait to get the secret of running a successful wrestling company from the clowns who put Sharmell vs Jenna Morasca on air.

[@rubenmachado6629]

To be fair to Cornette, he didn't have a say on the "match" of Jenna Morasca. If you wanna complain about his booking decisions he was a booker for ROH and Smoky Mountain Wrestling. Fuck Vince Russo, though!

[@frankbrody239]

Cornette wasn't a booker on this show. He was there to help out Jarrett as on screen talent and as an agent. Russo actually wrote the show, so your beef is with him.

[@alphonsemaina8293]

Russo caused this. Cornette wasn't booking and was highly against even being in TNA at this time due to his hatred for Russo. Get your facts straight.

[@icewinddale2675]

@@alphonsemaina8293 Cornette walked out of companies for far lesser reasons. Given how much he cares about the sanctity of pro wrestling (when he's not cosplaying as a ninja turtle), he should've walked out on Russo and Dixie the moment he realized he was outvoted. It's not like he needed money, he's well off.

[@alphonsemaina8293]

@@icewinddale2675 He did want to walk out. Jerry Jarrett is the one who talked him into staying as he wanted Cornette to look out for his former promotion. Cornette stayed because he respected Jerry. He stayed for as long as he could and then said fuck it and left after he was snitched on by Russo. Russo was a whiny arse who had Dixie around his fat finger. Simple as that. Also about the turtle thing he was supposed to get humiliated because he was a heel at the time and the Turtles were popular so it made sense. Again get your facts straight or else you come across as daft.

[@atenchifan]

I forgot Victoria had gone to TNA! She was my all time favorite women's wrestler with her crazy gimmick in WWE!

[@AJDaniels99]

This show particularly Sharmell and Jenna was probably made more famous because of Bryan and Vinny

[@chrisp679]

Botchamania too.

[@Aalok1991]

Love how Zane's trying to find logic and sense in the goings on during this PPV.. Kinda like finding the same things in today's WWE!😝

[@davidfeaman4587]

Love the review! Hate hate HATE the Kevin Nash sitting and watching the TV instead of a fullscreen! PLEASE BRING BACK THE FULLSCREEN!!!!!

[@WrestlingWithWregret]

Felt like I had to be extra cautious with this one because Impact is especially good at flagging down their own footage. This will not be the normal format for these!

[@davidfeaman4587]

@@WrestlingWithWregret Got it! Great review and I love your channel. Keep up the great work!

[@michaelspikes8076]

Dude must be smoking dust this was the greatest tna wrestling ppv ever in history

[@sarcasticfanstic]

Whatever you smoking I want some

[@JenMistress]

This one had Jenna VS Sharmell, Victory Road 2011 had Sting VS Jeff Hardy. Seems every two years for this event, had a match sooooooo bad, it kinda puts a dark shadow over the rest of the event.

[@miamimagicians]

RIP Don West you where the voice of TNA

[@startrak1312]

13:22 Its even more ironic when you realize AJ left TNA because they wanted him to take a paycut