Writers HATE the Canon and YOU! (The Fans)

[@catriona_drummond]

Well here is a thought: Bad writers love a clean slate. Good writers love a set of restrictions. Think about it. Pressure creates diamonds, after all.

[@Evarakeus]

This definitely seems to be a trend, the biggest thing these writers complain about is being bound to established canon/rules with these properties even when they aren't being explicitly hostile to the IP

[@catriona_drummond]

@@a.m.2066 I think they find the lore and parameters of a franchise intimidating, so they try to get rid of it. it's why Disney, for example, declared the whole Star Wars expanded universe non-canon. Working within parameters is more work, you have to research and you could make mistakes. So, they just go for a clean slate. The original work is then usually devalued in some way. ("Tolkien was racist/colonialist/whatever anyway!")

[@ollikoskiniemi6221]

@@catriona_drummond I doubt it's that "complicated". I think good writers are rare these days, and aren't participating in these billion dollar budget blockbuster spectacles where it's just soulless consumption year after year. The proper writers are probably out there somewhere creating true art, that is actually "brave" these days. There is no room for true creative liberty, if you are restricted by political correctness and the tyranny of ignorant fools. It takes strength and bravery to try something truly new. It's cowardly, mindless and lazy to bow down to the woke status quo. It takes no effort. It is tried and not only accepted, but also demanded by producers, sponsors, advertisers, the social climate of Hollywood as well as the woke mob.

[@ollikoskiniemi6221]

@@catriona_drummond tldr: movies and such are going worse because only people and ideas of certain kind are producing them

[@peterrealar2.067]

Why I loved Moon Knight and hated She-Hulk. It's plain as day why.

[@Arassar]

When we were in school it was the jocks. Now that we're adults, it's the hipsters. Nerds never get a break.

[@autumnatic]

And the hipsters who aren't actually nerds culturally appropriated us.

[@laurelionothaliondor7308]

Hypsters are jocks that didn't make it without enough heart or intelligence to be nerds

[@gladiatorscoops4907]

As a creative the biggest joy I get is when I create something that resonates with the fans of that chosen franchise. To actively go out of your way to create something that only appeals to yourself and will upset fans is just horrible and shows more about the type of character the people in charge of these shows/movies/comics are.

[@thehoneybunempress1664]

Yes, it's very self indulgent (and also hypocritical) to make something only for yourself and then expect/demand others to like it.

[@nasserfirelordarts6574]

How To Train Your Dragon is also VERY different from the books, but it's still profoundly beautiful in its own way! You can tell the team love what they're writing and working on, unlike much of the used dishwater they call writing nowadays.

[@PoserPosse]

I found the book series to be more enjoyable than the movies.

[@crowthewicked8344]

@@PoserPosse aight

[@secondaegis9190]

@@PoserPosse and that's a perfectly viable opinion

[@Chilledintheshadows]

The writers seem to hate everything good…That reminds me of something.

[@murrayculix]

They hate white people. And only care about harming whites. Its nothing more to it.

[@EyeOfMagnus4E201]

Morgoth?

[@Chilledintheshadows]

Yeah

[@XiaoFury]

satan's imps.

[@Pdmc2016]

There will come a day where people call what is good evil and what is evil they shall call good

[@alexgarrett4198]

Funny story, but apparently a lecturer at a university was so pissed off at the ROP that he insisted that his students go to their local bookstore and buy the original LOTR Red Book and accompanying Tolkien works.

[@Rawrshuga]

I've actually started re-reading the books because of the RoP. :) Much better use of my hour each night!

[@Mark-nh2hs]

It's also dependent on the individual so may find Tolkien's work dry and full of wandering of the point for several pages. Others may enjoy the more simplistic writing of ROP - easy assessable - it may also make people go and read Tolkien using ROP as a gateway entry to Tolkien wider works. It depends on the individual and their friend circle etc etc.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

@@Arhimith depends some people don't like the Hobbit and will find other entry levels - gatekeeping is an issue as well - "Only one way is the right way" not the case people fall into fandoms from different sources be it book, film or TV series. The name is enough to perk peoples interests, regardless of how shit the show was and they will find out when they read the original source material.

[@Guilherme-ow3wb]

Incredibly enough ROP helped me get through most of the 1st book of LOTR. Bombadil used to always get me, then I pushed through. Sometimes the characters tell lore and backstories mentioning names and places, and ROP actually helped me in those passages as I now could visualize Elendil, Isuldur, Celebrimbor, Gil-Galad, Eregion, Numenór, and other people and places that they mention and coming into LOTR for the first time may just look like lists of names and places. So the show, despite being terrible, can actually help some people with these things, and that's why it's important to respect canon.

[@bullethail3875]

@@Mark-nh2hs I mean... Nobody was saying that people HAVE to read The Hobbit to get into LoTR. The Fellowship of The Ring has an entire section basically explaining who hobbits are, what the shire is like, and enough context about Bilbo's adventure that you literally don't need to have read it as long as you read the section "On Hobbits".

[@mrgeeviestee]

Them not hiring fans of the source material sounds ridiculous to the outside observer, but there's a reason for it. They know that no true fan would ever stand for or be complicit in their cultural vandalism.

[@samwise8565]

I’m ok with making some changes to a story to adapt it to film, but when it’s obvious that the writers don’t care about source material, that’s a big problem

[@kaidrazarc8000]

I think the ability to adapt another's work is really underated skill & deserves more praise as look at game of thrones amazing adaption but when they try to write their own stories...... See last season..... It's a unique skill that not all good writers have

[@cristela4034]

Yeah, and it's even harder to make a good adaptation when the writers hate the source material and just want to make the story about them.

[@kaidrazarc8000]

@@cristela4034 yeah that bit boggles the mind like how do the produces expect to make money by using an existing IP with an inbuilt fanbase to then hire writers who hate who'll make sure those existing fans give it negative press????

[@EgXP]

I've never understood this - surely writing for a series with a pre-existing fanbase should be like printing money, right? I mean, it's a bit of hard wor-never mind, figured out why...

[@luckywhiskle8447]

Why?

[@EgXP]

@@luckywhiskle8447 Sorry - not sure what you mean. If you mean "Why should it be like printing money?", you've got hardcore fans who are super excited about a thing, so as long as you align with their interests they'd be happy to give you their money. If you mean "why are modern Hollywood writers afraid of a bit of hard work?", I'm not sure either, but the fact that they ARE afraid of work bleeds through the screen nowadays...

[@EyeOfMagnus4E201]

11:48 She Hulk also refers to superheroes as narcissists (which means she’d actually fit right in if her statement was true, though except for Tony Stark, it actually isn’t really).

[@PatriceBoivin]

I listened to many fan fiction pieces about Rurouni Kenshin; usually they expand an aspect of canon stories, or they emphasize the situation this or that character were in. Most of it was interesting and well done, it actually helped flesh out the original series. Similarly with some of the Star Trek fan episodes or podcast stories, they built upon the canon of that world, they didn't try to replace it. Real fans like the canon... people who don't like canon ARE NOT FANS.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

The issue falls apart when Fans become obsessed with their or others fan fiction and clouds their judgement. Saying real fans love canon - not always true if something is added to canon which fans dislike doesn't mean they are not fans just do not like that particular aspect of the canon. I grew up with classic Dr Who when NuWho started added rubbish and bent the rules of canon I switched off and was never a fan of NuWho - but I'm still a fan of Dr Who as I appreciate it's canon up until they messed around with it.

[@blankadams3120]

The thing I'm noticing is: They don't even care about the canon they create. Look at JJ and Rian... both ignored the other's work and were only interested in making their movie. If it didn't fit with what came before, oh well.

[@MrRodrigomarcola]

Nathan as senior of KW and conducting the discussions is very funny and cool, keep growing pal!!!

[@JamieHitt]

The problem is… These writers are doing exactly what they were hired to do. Their job isn’t to please the audience. Their job is to please the people who hired them and get paid. They are clearly doing just that. Any one of us could have come up with an amazing storyline/narrative/script for these IP’s. Especially in hindsight. It’s the filmmakers and show runners who are to blame. And the community that finances these productions.

[@rincontibio7664]

and the main problem doing that is that the fans are the ones paying for it

[@ArgentWolf95]

Shifting the blame onto the customer misses a fundamental problem: Many of these writers have a political agenda and hate Canon, because it prevents them from turning a story into propaganda. Also in the ESG Corporate system: many of these are funded by stakeholders, not the fans. Also lets not forget the Human Resources division doing stuff like this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqnadpawl5KpiJI Look at this, this is a politcal Commissar dictating how a story can be written. It's communist. The problem is this: The HR lady gets to decide the corporate culture and have power over devs, and the culture most corpos have now? full of communists in middle and high positions.

[@XiaoFury]

It's the woke feminists agenda that they are being paid by. In all these movies the men are weak, gay, emasculated, the bad guy or killed off. The women are super strong, macho, always in control, smarter than the men, don't need a man, or in short - they're fake men. Their destruction of these beloved franchises are all by design.

[@JamieHitt]

Since day one, Bread & Circus has been expensive. And they want to get their money’s worth. “Follow the rules or be fed to the lions.” Cinematic films were preempted by newsreels and propaganda. Television is punctuated with advertisements. But paid subscriptions are commercial free. The messaging and the programming must be incorporated directly into the content. This was the big lesson learned from the experiments known as HBO/etc. and Netflix/etc. and as we all know, that’s why it’s called “programming”. Sociopolitical engineering has always been the driving force behind entertainment …else it wouldn’t be allowed.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

Also "Fan" writers of a show can also ruin it as well it works both ways 👍

[@sarahgould5435]

It's less about "are you a fan?" and more about "are you willing to put in the work to understand the world and its characters?" A hater is not willing to do that, but neither is someone convinced that his or her own imagination alone is just as good as a trained storyteller who put care into learning that craft and extensive research into crafting a particular story, character, and/or world.

[@anthonysaylor8120]

Honestly, being a fan of the source material tends to offer you more ideas of what to do with a character. Like, Project Itoh - god rest his soul - was a fan of the series who worked on the novelization of MGS4. And the thematic work he pulled from that game and expanded upon? Impressed the hell out of Kojima. Because while Itoh didn't carry the Beauty and Beast Unit into the novelization, his choices like having Otacon as the narrator and restoring cut details like Johnny's grandpa (the Johnny from MGS3) appearing at the wedding scene? Showed that he not only cared, but understood the source in ways that showed how much he cared.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

This is true however, not all fans have the same view - changes to a character (as in expanding on them) or a weak plot point you will get some fans kicking off over it as it's not "true" to the Lore etc etc. Fans of a Show as writers can do the same amount of damage to a show as those who hate the source material.

[@filmandfirearms]

@@Mark-nh2hs Fans can do some serious damage, but people who hate the source material WILL do some serious damage. One is a risk, the other is a guarantee

[@Mark-nh2hs]

@@filmandfirearms depends on the Fan writer they can be just as bad as the non fans as they genuinely think it's the way forward - causing upset with some fans - dependent on their entry point.

[@robinjameson4261]

@@Mark-nh2hs which goes back to what he actually said. Someone who is a fan can cause problems which is to say it is a possibility. It's something that can happen, but someone who hates a source material will as in it's a guarantee. It is practically nearly a law of physics that if you hate something you will destroy it because you hate it.

[@anthonysaylor8120]

I also get the point Mark is making about fans having the potential to fuck up carrying on the legacy, if they have control. I'm a Homestuck fan, and Post-Canon was our TLJ. Not to mention Snake Solutions LLP decided "we're gonna abuse the fact that some people in the fandom are saying racist shit on reddit to conflate all criticisms with bigotry." Speaking of them, it was also darkly funny how so much Anti-Semetic shit got into the Post-Canon era under the "SS."

[@BloodnSteel]

Lol I love Nathan just volunteering Shad there. Also thank you Marcus for saying 'Part of me appreciates the honesty', and the bit about The Boys, you're definitely a good addition to the group.

[@sirrantcelot]

Thank you, glad to be welcomed.

[@Hecarim420]

Point of the story in "comics Boys" is that EVERYONE IN POWER is evil :v ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Darkwintre]

The only way Obi-Wan would leave Tatooine is ONLY if Qui-Gon asked him and ONLY him!

[@EyeOfMagnus4E201]

I heard it was Kathleen Kennedy who decided to have the show revolve around Kenobi protecting Leia instead of Luke. So it’s her fault that it went so far off the rails because GIRL POWER!! had to come before everything else.

[@Darkwintre]

@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 actually there was a way to make that work, that involved Crimson Dawn, making this at least 2 to 3 season series with Vader having a cameo in 1 a fight with Maul in 2 and an actual story that made sense! Oh right they can't have fans sorting out the Kenobi mess now can they!

[@EyeOfMagnus4E201]

@@Darkwintre That could have worked. They could have also had a Kenobi show work if they just had an inquisitor track down Kenobi and/or Luke (maybe even have it be Reva, though hopefully a version of Reva that made a bit more sense), and Ben would have to stop them before they reached Luke or reported back to the Empire for reinforcements (thus getting around Darth Vader showing up, which though potentially cool, is always problematic lore-wise, or Luke learning about the Jedi or Sith before “A New Hope”).

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

It goes beyond not being fans, they actively hate the source material . Often they wanted to do their own projects. but couldn't get a green light without an established franchise at least tied in name to the project.

[@Fyrehart97]

Chris Avellone who wrote what I think is the greatest Star Wars story ever told, Knights of the Old Republic 2, never liked Star Wars. He was frustrated by the black and white tone of Star Wars while the Jedi displayed hypocrisy - something like that. But when Avellone was working at Obsidian and was told he's going to be lead writer on such a beloved franchise, he absorbed all this material over like two three weeks. He watched the movies, read books, read comic books and played games and from that seed of respect, he developed a admiration from those two weeks. He then filled Knights of the Old Republic 2 with his views of the jedi and sith and dynamics of the universe and his perspective created a tone that I think is so rich. But the point is, when he got that job as lead writer, he put his personal feelings to one side and was determined to do the best job possible. I'd say he even predicted the future in a lot of ways because Knights of the Old Republic 2 came out a year before Revenge of the Sith yet there's a few things in the game that kind of subtly get referenced and wrapped up in Revenge of the Sith - far too subtly to be intentional I think. Respect for the source material is very important. Knights of the Old Republic could have so easily been like any of these modern rubbish "adaptations". But it turned into the best Star Wars story ever told, if you ask me.

[@sirrantcelot]

I did not know that, thanks for making me aware of Avellone's professionalism and work ethic.

[@insanitymanic]

One thing that we have the power over them all : STOP CONSUMING THEIR WORK !!!!

[@gryffen9608]

Something I cynically love is the longstanding "logic," "But it's OLD! I want to write something NEW!" Well, then WRITE something new! We people have played nice for so long that we forget there are plenty of times you need to firmly and permanently say, "NO." Besides, even their own argument proves their false intentions. If they truly wanted to write something new, then they'd come up with a new character, and new setting, and so on. But no. They want the rewards of long, hard work without actually work. They want the praise and accolades for "Being so clever" without the risk of failing to create something else. And most of all, they want to shove their cultist beliefs into everything and everyone. It's not just that they want their own creations to be on high. They need the "blasphemous" and "hateful" materials gone. Not just discredited -- gone. This past decade in particular has provided a wealth of proof these "activists" can not create anything worthwhile. They have been spoiled and programmed to be angry and destructive. I level this challenge to anyone. If you want to change the world, then devote yourself to getting the finances, resources, or whatever it takes to join a genuine humanitarian outreach like the Peace Corps, Habitat for Humanity, 8 Billion Trees, and so on. Spend two years with them first, see the people hurting the most, help them, and then come back and preach. Besides, if someone does that, they will have a wealth of something new to write about, no question.

[@kamerondonaldson5976]

they give us flack for being on the wrong side of history then turn around and cry about how inconvenient and restrictive canon is when writing stories.

[@justmoody5797]

The fact that these writers in the past I am sure were making fun of nerds and books etc but when they saw that there are lots of people care about it they saw dollar signs so they acted as they were part of it all along without knowing anything about it.

[@SeantheBawse]

They are specifically looking for people who don't know what the hell they're putting to film. Not just that they don't like it, they've never even heard of it. Tell Shad to review A Knight's Tale!

[@Сайтамен]

What's ironic is that Tony Gilroy, who is not a Star Wars fan, made a much better written and directed show than supposed "fans" JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson, Debora Chow and John Favreau.

[@oscarstainton]

Still, I would have preferred that Favreau was put in charge of the ST way, way, way before the likes of Abrams and Johnson. I doubt Johnson even likes Star Wars given what he did in his movie, conversely Abrams is a black hole of imagination and originality. While Favreau is far from infallible, Mando Season 1 and 2 at least demonstrate he got the heart of the universe more than others.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

@@oscarstainton No one is talking about that. We’re talking about they took a shot a Tony Gilroy and Andor even though they like most of the Fandom Menace channels refused to watch it for one stupid reason or another. Their loss because Andor was a great SW show.

[@EyeOfMagnus4E201]

All those people helped mess things up, but you have to go back to the ones really in charge like Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy, and the story group to see who really helped wreck things.

[@idawg7332]

@Donkeysauris Rex the fandom menace channels didn’t watch it because they were tired of all the times Disney screwed up. The sequel trilogy, solo, boba fett, kenobi, how many times are you willing to let someone screw up before you give up on them entirely?

[@inediblegrobb7524]

The highest praise I've seen for Andor was that "it's not like Star Wars." That should tell you all you need to know why Star Wars fans and the Fandom Menace didn't watch it. It can be good, excellent even, but if it says Star Wars on the tin but isn't Star Wars inside, it deserves to be criticized.

[@finnkedinn1573]

My one friend said this about Witcher season one, “there are too many scenes with yennifers tits without Geralt involved and not enough monster hunting”

[@matthewcoyle4131]

The Witcher is a Polish story, You CANNOT play off a horse getting killed as a joke in a Polish story. We are talking about the country that when their first dictionary was produced horse was defined as "everyone knows what this is." We are talking about the country famous for it's cavalry. We are talking about the people where it was once said "a Pol without a horse is like a body without a soul." Horses are freaking important to Polish culture.

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

Som Slovák. And as was said, these writers view world from San Francisco and Los Angeles, these people never met anyone outside their circle jerk of hyperclass rich kids, who's only life experience was high school and university. Meanwhile Sapkowski was a professor, who travelled from Poland to Germany and then to Britain. Cameron was truck driver who was in South America, Lucas was engineer in Vietnam war, JRRT was veteran from Somme, Gluchovsky worked as news writer in Russian federation, Stan Lee lived in New York during crisis, Rowling was member of a movement, Gene Roddenberry was policeman in LA and more. These good writers had life experience and stories to tell.

[@PaulLeach123]

As a WGA writer who’d loved to be staffed on a show - most staff writers want to be staffed for one reason - the paycheck - they just want to be on a show - ANY show because it’s a job. And the system typically works based on nepotism - you have a friend and you bring them in on a project - it has virtually nothing to do with if someone is qualified to work on a specific type of show - it’s handing out a paycheck to someone you like. Yes, there is the odd CONSULTANT for shows to help the writers be realistic, but not always. I personally always do a ton of research so I enter a situation fully educated, but I’m in the minority because I come from features and create my own series to pitch,because staff writers are, by definition, people who are choosing the structure of a corporate job over being self motivated to create and do work on their own.

[@PatriceBoivin]

Remember, Peter Jackson was from the UK not from Hollywood. Denis Villeneuve is from Canada, not Hollywood. Currently some of the K-dramas are better than what Hollywood produces and they have much lower budgets to work with. I'm old so for me, the disappointment was about Star Trek rather than Star Wars, but they did essentially the same thing to Star Trek as what happened to Star Wars. In the mid-1990s there was a campaign called Save Trek, people wanted J J Abrams gone and soap operas like DS9 canceled. The studios didn't listen.

[@naquingreen1603]

@Patrice Boivin Wait I thought DS9 was considered to be the best Star Trek series not the most hated.

[@emhu2594]

@@naquingreen1603. I didn’t like ds9 at all.

[@PatriceBoivin]

@@naquingreen1603 haha, that's funny

[@Nairneh]

Yep, Talion is a good character because of the sacrifice he makes. P.S. Glad you guys are having fun making these videos.

[@matthealey187]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1990 was a great adapatation. Had the gritty dark feel of the lesser known comics but kept the right amount of humour to appeal to fans of the cartoon series. Also The Crow. The early 90s did well in Adaptations :)

[@DZ-oz8co]

Speaking of the Boys. I prefer the comics compare to the TV Show, the comics IMO shows how the superheroes similar to our current day celebrities. I liked Season 1, later season I tuned out. Starlight in the comics, she was like the new actress from a small town who went to Hollyweird and was very naive about that industry and later she discovered the dark side of it.

[@oliveramarcoangelo1133]

You probably won't see this, Shad, but I really hope you see what's been going on with the casting for the upcoming Percy Jackson and The Olympians Series. Rick Riordan has seriously gone woke to the point that now he's raceswapping the characters in his stories, including Annabeth, because his first book series wasn't "inclusive" enough. Imma be honest, I've never seen Wheel of Time nor have I seen Lord of the Rings to care about what's currently happening there. Percy Jackson however, is something I care about. And I really hate that the very same author I idolized was the one that ruins it. Though if you've never seen Percy Jackson, or that you don't really care, it's fine. Just keep scrolling.

[@mooocowcowcowmooo]

Rewatched the first Blade movie a couple nights ago. It still holds up.

[@dragonpaladin5584]

The only movies I am looking forward to are mostly Japanese based shows; Mario movie with direct Nintendo influence, Legendary Godzilla, and straight up Japanese stuff with Godzilla 2023.

[@Darkwintre]

Same here regarding Korra

[@BloodnSteel]

Someone please clip that scene of Nathan saying "POWER!" and making fists. That itself was a thing of power and should be emphasized lol, Nathan really sells the mood when he gets into it, great stuff guys.

[@macewindu4442]

George Lucas: A young lady name Kathleen Kennedy, who was a pupil of mine until she turned to Disney - helped Disney tear down and destroy the the legacy. She betrayed and murdered Star Wars.

[@alessandropolo7257]

"If you disrespect the Lore, you disrespect me"

[@eeroaalto650]

Nathan looks like the Master between the New Sirs

[@willd1mindmind639]

Hollywood has always been like this, most movies that have been adapted in the past from books or comics have almost always strayed from the source material. You have to understand that the powers that be in Hollywood view these projects in a different way than the way we look at them based on lore and the source material. They look at it as an investment and or opportunity to execute a "new vision" even if it is based on an existing work. Stanley Kubricks "The Shining" is a perfect example, where the director had his own vision for the story which deviated from that of Stephen King. But the big difference here is that a lot of these older adaptations were made by talented directors whose vision was entertaining and satisfying even if it wasn't faithful to the source material. Today, most of these directors and writers are not as talented and only are being given their positions as part of some corporate ESG mandate and the results are nowhere near as good as you got from talented directors and writers who had a compelling story of their own even if it was based on something else. This is why Peter Jackson is an anomaly for how he pushed to produced Lord of the RIngs and stay true to the source material as that is not normally how Hollywood works. And technically most of these projects are just designed to be annoying dog whistles like someone deliberately scraping their nails on a chalkboard to get your attention by being objectionable on purpose.

[@bubbadarth]

They will never earn my money again they'll never respect the lore anymore.

[@_aullik]

There are people that do, people like dave filoni

[@rangerstedfast]

I would say another instance of where the adaptation is better than the source material is How To Train Your Dragon. Book: Diary of a Wimpy Viking Film: Emotional rollercoaster full of humor and awe

[@Annatar]

It boggles the mind how in SW they shit all over the Expanded Universe lore by removing it from canon, only to pilfer from it what was arguably the weakest part: Palpatine returning. That being said, his return was handled light-years better in the EU, and that's saying a lot

[@lasselen9448]

With video games, gameplay is a big concern: it's the main aspect of the game (outside of purely narrative games), so sometimes you have to sacrifice canon to make the game more interesting and develop game mechanics. Or, you know, for balance (probably the biggest canon-breaker, balance). Movies don't have any of these concerns (aside of direct book adaptations, which come with their own problems). There's no gameplay or balance in films, just story, art and tech. You can do whatever you want as long as you've got the money. There's just no excuse for breaking canon. A Jedi gets hit by a blaster and survives? Video game: yeah, sure, it's a game with HP and stats and being one-hit-killed by everything isn't fun. Film: what the hell, Jedi are not invulnerable you know?

[@shelleypegman]

They seem to be looking for a platform, rather than a product.

[@martinlysy]

That guy on left has his taste just like me, kinda hate that when i search for cast to see his name, all i got are external links to merch and adverstiments... Not even text in video.

[@robinjameson4261]

Invincible flipped the script on the presentation of how certain characters passed but save for amber they showed a love of the source material.

[@skits_3d824]

FAN is in the word fanfiction, so when someone is making a show or movie that has no passion, no sense of reason then it's not even a fan fiction to me. It's just a script

[@ripstake]

I'm really starting to like these new guys. Keep up the great work!

[@LightingbladeShen]

man when they started talking about 'somehow palpatine returned' i got hit with that massive anger and stupidity of "they fly now" yeah sure, they fly now, cause jetpacks are TOTALLY NEVER HAPPENED in STARWARS EVER NEVER EVER, right Jarjar Abrams?

[@jonathancooper4914]

Absolutely right make your own stuff. I look forward to seeing what you guys cook up if you choose to do so.

[@EyeOfMagnus4E201]

The concepts behind “All Star” are great, but calling it “All Star” makes me think of sporting events where we get to see the best athletes from around the league playing against the best athletes in the other league.

[@rangerstedfast]

Some--

[@mariyears]

You guys are awesome!

[@Ninjamaster227-]

First season of Korra was great. Second season I was feeling it until the end. I didn’t like the last two seasons. I do think the dark avatar was at least a fun idea, but only if it gets a reincarnation cycle as well. The only thing I’d ever want to see out of the series again is spirit Korra explaining to her replacement why they can only talk to her and not their other lives now. Lol

[@MrRodrigomarcola]

Whom loves, cares and do the due diligence to improve the cultural object of love.

[@plainsman867]

As a huge Wheel of Time fan, I never thought I would be in a place where I actively discouraged people from watching a Wheel of Time show, but here we are

[@desperado3236]

The problem with the witcher show is they focused too much on the sorceresses. Yen being a great example. Ciri i didnt mind as in the books shes a main character so it makes sense. The show is called the witcher aka geralt. Hes the star of the show yet he felt like a side character at times. It would have been a much better show if it focused on geralt monster hunting mostly and have the rest, like ciri being special etc, as something that happens while geralts doing his thing. They also need to lay back on the woke. The world is too multi racial, to the point where it makes no sense. This isnt modern day. Your not gonna have all these people mixing when the world is basically based on poland. Also the insane focus on what the womens sorcerer lodge is doing. Its boring and you know its there to push the girl power narrative.

[@ameenoahmad]

Tyron finally said Stay On Watch 😂😂

[@gronkgrunk]

You guys nailed it 👍🏼

[@Chieffino]

Could have said it better gentlemen. This episode had a lot of energy and a lot of good points a discord. Keep it up.

[@yokaiou5848]

I always now say "This is beyond noncanon, this is HERESY!"

[@Celdaric]

Excellent video lads! :D

[@FlamingGiant575]

4:54 They bleeped out BS, but the way it was censored definitely makes it sound like "bull" is the swear, as the other is entirely audible.

[@Skye_Blue]

The Korra mention was unexpected. 'Dark Avatar' are two words that will always trigger me, without fail. It took me a minute to stop seething. Anyway, solid discussion, fellas.

[@Crest28]

Agree, The Boys is the best example of being great yet extremely different from the source material

[@dragonandavatarfan8865]

Meh the Boys show decent in the first then slowly became a woke trainwreck as expected. Same old bait and switch and people still fall for it.

[@emhu2594]

Boys is way too gory, violent and sadistic. Too bad

[@BigCowProductions]

That was a sweet ending :) good stuff, guys.

[@apathymanthemundane4165]

i notice how there's a lot of articles trying to convince people to like these big steaming piles of opportunity.

[@mee4062]

You are the best kind of nerds. NEEEEEERDS!!!

[@BMO_Creative]

These New TV and MOVIE people are Non creative people that only get credit by literally stealing creative ideas and making them their own... SAD

[@doorran]

my own feeling is in line with the age old adage, "too many cooks spoil the broth".

[@silberrwolf7772]

when did nathan build a timemachine for shad?

[@UltimateTobi]

They raped the mythology of Avatar with Korra. I gave all 4 seasons a shot, but I don't like it. HelloFutureMe competently explains why and what about the mythology has been destroyed.

[@mansfieldtime]

Quality vs quantity is something that consumers look at. If you make a lot of trash you will be known for trash and when you make something good nobody will care because the rest of your stuff is crap. If you make quality work and then makes something bad people will still return knowing that you will improve your work for the next time.

[@alexmashkin863]

As long as I'm Shady, you're gonna have to live in my shadow :-))

[@Darkwintre]

Hey Amazon, Galadriel has a daughter named Celebrian! Good lord talk about tone deaf!

[@terrystewart1973]

Blade Runner (film) vs Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep (book). The film was very different from the book, and I think on balance better.

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

For me the Book was better, despite watching the movie first. But the important thing there is the care taken to really make it seem like the right world, sell the same story through a different medium, and put some really good talent in all the right places - it makes the movie a real classic and a class act as you can really see the influence of the original source and the quality production throughout. In the same way the Lord of The Rings movies (or the really good BBC audio book) made lots of mostly little changes but with such care and attention to the details so those changes feel like they fit in the same world.

[@garmrbanalras2579]

To be fair to the lack of monster hunting thing in the Witcher tho, that's like s running theme throughout the books. As time goes on in the main story of the Witcher books, Gerald does less and less moster hunting, until he and everyone else questions wether he's really a Witcher anymore. So that's pretty accurate. Saying that tho, thats about the only thing they got right.

[@FireCrack83]

If i would be the guy in charge for hiring writers it would be a must to be a fan of the work you wanna write. I am reading the witcher books now for the first time after watching the series. And omg are the books way better

[@rangerstedfast]

They're incredible, in my opinion they're actually better than Game of Thrones in some ways

[@robinjameson4261]

At the very least be completely familiar with the works and not hate them.

[@josephnebeker7976]

So many are talking about this like it's a new phenomena, but this has been going on for decades. Take a look at Star Trek: Enterprise. They destroyed Star Trek cannon on the very first episode, and they didn't stop. We got Klingons when and where we shouldn't have, Ferengi when we didn't know they existed, and Vulcans that were not Vulcans. I sent a letter to Starlog magazine explaining the issues, but it was never published or responded to.

[@hollowtomato]

As much as I appreciate Beau DeMayo (the Witcher writer) confirming something that the fans have long suspected, he is also responsible for one the worst episodes in the entire show.

[@paralicular3927]

Restrictions are what defines a story. To be unchained makes it something else entirely. Especially the first entry, and it should progress naturally.

[@St._Michael]

you don't need to be a massive fan of the material but at least know of them and are willing to do a little research on the source material... also have talent in writing or directing

[@skits_3d824]

Shad maybe come up with a word phrasing for your all star. Like Tolkien did like George did and get inspiration from other cultures. I am working on my own star wars comic and I am using hula as a language for star wars. Motion that connects the inhabiting people to their planet. Just an idea

[@KennethThysbjergJensen]

yes! Thanks!

[@WSKTV6]

Marvel & DC are dead, the heroes deserve better but it'll take potentially decades to make them real heroes again. What's taken their place is like a zombie, rotting, decaying & void of life. All cynical & being writen by egotists who hate the sorce material. I'm actively rooting for it's downfall & it can't happen fast enough.

[@jeannaimarre3537]

In terms of movie adaptation, as a general rule, everything from Mark Millar is better in film form. Kickass (although the second one was meh), Kingsman, Logan and Wanted, although starting with an interesting "what if?, premise, which is the main strength of Millar (if not the only one), always end up being poorly written and with a generally stupid or lazy ending. All the movie adaptations, despite being of varying quality as films, are always superior to the comics.

[@toadsmoothy]

"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to." - Kylo Ren, 'The Last Jedi.'

[@FelanLP]

Imo you don't have to be a fan of a franchise, if you write something for it. To much can stuff can be to much. But if you write something it is your duty and responsibility that your story does follow the already established lore and worldbuilding and NOT break with it. Redconning is debatable but that's right on the edge between following existing stuff and disrespecting it. Mistakes may happen but that's not the point and even can be covered by writers creativity to some degree.

[@Nevyn515]

Wait, what… Why am I looking at squire beardy-face and wondering why Shad looks so different…

[@Skywalker-lz5qj]

If they aren't fans I think thats fine no reason you need to be a fan or have experience/connection with the source material before taking on the project. Its when they hire people who actively dislike the source material like 343 did for example.

[@nolanl72]

Regarding star wars I almost wouldn't want them to focus on the old republic as I know they will trash that as well.

[@lance134679]

Writers in Hollywood seem to be at the bottom of the totem pole and there doesn't seem to be a lot of respect for the art of screen writing, which is why you often see actors and directors write their own screenplays, with disastrous results. Case in point: Patti Jenkins, after the huge success of Wonder Woman, decides that she's going to write the next Wonder Woman movie herself (with 'DC Guy' Geoff Johns), and we saw how that turned out.

[@inediblegrobb7524]

I don't need the writers/directors/show runners etc to be fans. I do DEMAND that they 1 are actually competent at their jobs (most right now aren't), and 2 they respect the source material (most right now do not). Another thing, concerning adaptions. I understand that some things have to change from one medium to another (movies have to be shorter than the books etc). BUT, there are also things the different medium can do better (a movie can use body language, tone of voice, facial expression to make a conversation deeper for example). It does bother me that so few adaptions actually try to take full advantage of the new medium, never mind just a decent adaption.

[@alexandriafleischmann2000]

They're doing to nerds what they did to women. "Oh, it's such a great time for women. There's so much material for women." In reality, there's almost no content for women to enjoy. Even in podcasts, not many women run fun podcasts comparable to this podcast for nerds. So now any "feminist" work has been ruined they're moving on to "nerdy" works. I don't know what's next, anything that mentions Christianity? That should be another rant for y'all. How much demonic imagery and plot lines are now being used in mainstream productions. Marvel's had a like bull-headed, or goat-headed person in most of their recent works, but why?

[@muttley166]

Grendel cannot change his monstrosity, and instead hates all people who are able to live in hope and light.

[@katathoombs]

It would seem you have a wee infestation of Zalgo in your video.

[@Arassar]

The first season of The Witcher actually did a decent job of adapting Geralt's stories, but Yennefer's back story was just horrendous.