Writing Advice from Matt Stone & Trey Parker @ NYU | MTVU's "Stand In"

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Fabian Valdez

Fabian Valdez

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@topolm
@topolm 7 жыл бұрын
How do i reach these keeeds??
@MrSkinnyWhale
@MrSkinnyWhale 7 жыл бұрын
If they didn't make that joke during this speech then I don't even know anymore.
@ashskata8986
@ashskata8986 4 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@robotube7361
@robotube7361 4 жыл бұрын
Im dying rn ... hahahaa dude thanks for making me LMAO in the morning
@mrfuck792
@mrfuck792 3 жыл бұрын
You made my grandma
@pedterson
@pedterson 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha! I nearly choked on my lard bread.
@TheCrazyCanuck420
@TheCrazyCanuck420 4 жыл бұрын
If I could be taught by Matt and Trey I would be soooo happy.
@prasmababy
@prasmababy 4 жыл бұрын
Nice Craig reference
@octo.lina69
@octo.lina69 3 жыл бұрын
Yet some of these ppl look miserable😕
@pastel-children5551
@pastel-children5551 3 жыл бұрын
Sick👌
@timothybell5698
@timothybell5698 3 жыл бұрын
That's why the video is here 😌
@alanarano9378
@alanarano9378 3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@OOZiTen
@OOZiTen 7 жыл бұрын
This video was short therefore I am dissapointed, but I enjoyed it.
@DannyPodcast
@DannyPodcast 6 жыл бұрын
and then a clip of Peter staring at the camera...
@anniecooper5022
@anniecooper5022 5 жыл бұрын
That was a riveting sentence.
@crackawood
@crackawood 5 жыл бұрын
this video was short and then i shat myself and then i shat myself again
@tomgreenfan
@tomgreenfan 5 жыл бұрын
and that led to your comment
@AttilatheThrilla
@AttilatheThrilla 5 жыл бұрын
Fucking genius!!
@damontussing4333
@damontussing4333 2 жыл бұрын
Trey grabbed the marker with a white board right next to him and proceeds to write on an imaginary board. But, he still captivated the students attention. Therfore, he is an amazing teacher.
@hamsterstyle6152
@hamsterstyle6152 2 жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@nikolaisedov2295
@nikolaisedov2295 Жыл бұрын
I did not notice your creative use of "but" and "therefore", and was going to pass by. But then I noticed it and found it amusing. Therefore, I am writing this comment now to give you recognition.
@devoabrown
@devoabrown Жыл бұрын
perfect ABT structure!
@vinny2555332
@vinny2555332 Жыл бұрын
You make no sense
@damontussing4333
@damontussing4333 Жыл бұрын
@@vinny2555332 it makes clear sense in the context of the video.. you just don't get it. Which says a lot about you.
@thevendetta159
@thevendetta159 7 жыл бұрын
oh ! this is why they hate family guy
@nefarioussness
@nefarioussness 7 жыл бұрын
Damn Manatees don't understand cause and effect!
@gewgulkansuhckitt9086
@gewgulkansuhckitt9086 7 жыл бұрын
They don't hate Family Guy. They hate having their show be constantly described as though it was just like Family Guy when they put a huge effort into making a show they believe to be unique and only superficially like Family Guy at best. Family Guy is pure comedy. That's all it is. It might occasionally have a deep message or something important to say about our culture, national/world politics, etc., but that's incidental to making you laugh. South Park consistently makes such messages a good chunk of each show (couched in comedy of course) and that means going the extra mile in terms of preparing the show. It's kind of like when you're an artist and you put your painting on display and it's something you put your heart and soul into and it's your best work and someone says, "I really like your painting. You're obviously a good artist." And you say, "Thanks, I really appreciate that!" And then they say very seriously, not joking at all, "You know who else is a good artist? My dog! We dip his feet in paint and let him walk on stuff. He's really gifted . . . just like you. You both have the same level of talent. You two should be friends, maybe give each other art tips." And that's what it feels like when someone says your show is just like Family Guy.
@mcJoeRobs
@mcJoeRobs 6 жыл бұрын
Nope. They've stated many times that they hate famly guy,
@waswaswad
@waswaswad 6 жыл бұрын
Gewgulkan reminds me of a guy that likes to hear his own voice
@DarkWandererAU
@DarkWandererAU 6 жыл бұрын
haha yeah, right! Family guy is a main story arch with a whole bunch of "and then this happened" in between.
@StudioMod
@StudioMod 3 жыл бұрын
"but, because, therefore" as a guy who writes every single day, that is so utterly fking brilliant.
@marginis
@marginis 3 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie I thought this was pretty obvious - but if more writers are able to figure this out by watching this video, the better for everyone.
@StudioMod
@StudioMod 3 жыл бұрын
@@marginis The use of a dash is pretty obvious to me, but clearly not that obvious to you. Just another one of those things, I guess!
@marginis
@marginis 3 жыл бұрын
@@StudioMod Did you also spot that "gonna" isn't a word? There's more to language than prescriptivism.
@StudioMod
@StudioMod 3 жыл бұрын
@@marginis "Gonna" is actually an accepted term by modern standards because it's a shorthand term to define certain dialects and forms of speech. Please stop pretending to be knowledgeable, it's making me cringe.
@marginis
@marginis 3 жыл бұрын
@@StudioMod ...says the one explaining to me the proper use of a dash ...after not capitalizing the first letter of a sentence ...and having what I said completely go over their head. Talk about cringe. Calm down. I was agreeing with your original comment, not making a personal attack against you.
@Maceta444
@Maceta444 4 жыл бұрын
I love how engaged they are. In an alternate reality they are great teachers at some uni.
@MrParkerman6
@MrParkerman6 3 жыл бұрын
They aren't engaged. The are divorced!
@vinny2555332
@vinny2555332 Жыл бұрын
It's not even real ...
@johnindigo5477
@johnindigo5477 Жыл бұрын
A lot of teachers and professors I've had have brought up southpark for a number of irreverent reasons. Mostly white male transplants from the upper midwest.
@thanossnap4170
@thanossnap4170 11 ай бұрын
I hate when people do that. It's all "yeah South Park is just fart jokes and toilet humour". And i can't even start to describe their genius without the doofus going "grow up, man." And ofc when i ask "have you watched it?" the answer is always "no, it's childish". And then i go home and watch South Park to calm down.@@johnindigo5477
@petram7130
@petram7130 9 ай бұрын
and all of their students have crushes on them
@x44CalLoveLetter
@x44CalLoveLetter 6 жыл бұрын
I would soooo purchase a Masterclass on Writing by these guys.
@billyalarie929
@billyalarie929 5 жыл бұрын
i keep saying to people they could sanction a course for a master's degree in storytelling.
@mdstmouse7
@mdstmouse7 4 жыл бұрын
i dont even write and I would pay to see it
@andib.2455
@andib.2455 4 жыл бұрын
Guess they have such a shitload of money that the masterclasses would be too much effort for the drop its adding to their net worth. That said they deserve every penny they make, south park is a masterpiece.
@iorekby
@iorekby 3 жыл бұрын
I'd purchase a Masterclass from the Family Guy manatees too.
@GetERekted
@GetERekted 3 жыл бұрын
@@billyalarie929 is there anything close to a Master’s degree in storytelling? (Genuinely curious because I want to start a career in writing that isint novelist, or copy writer, or write brochures etc. But more for multi digital media, like video games, TV shows, and possibly movies.)
@timagee147
@timagee147 6 жыл бұрын
This is actually really insightful, and is the difference between boring narrative and compelling narrative.
@seanfenrir
@seanfenrir 4 жыл бұрын
I think the best example of this is the Casa Bonita episode (which is probably my favorite South Park Episode). First Act - 1. Kyle Has a Birthday party which is scheduled to take place at Casa Bonita. Which is Cartman's favorite restaurant. 2. But, because Cartman constantly rips in Kyle, Cartman isn't invited and Butters is invited instead. Second Act - 3. Therefore, Cartman devises a multilayered plan in order to go to Casa Bonita instead of Butters. First, he tricks Kyle into making him think that he's changed for the better. Then, he traps Butters in a bomb shelter until the day arrives. 4. But, the town becomes worried and everyone starts to look for Butters. 5. Therefore, Cartman decides to take Butters out of the bomb shelter, and stick him in a fridge, then break the handle off so that Butters can't escape. 6. But, Butters is transported into a garbage dump and breaks out of the fridge, mistakenly assuming civilization is over. Third Act - 7. Butters is eventually found by a garbage lady, who tells him that not only is civilization fine, but the entire town was searching for him (oof). Butters then makes a phone call to let his parents know what happened. 8. Therefore, just as Cartman is about to go into Casa Bonita, he is found out and the police are called to take him to Juvi. Cartman decides to make a break for it and enjoy Casa Bonita, as his plan crumbles around him. Resolution - When asked if everything he did was worth it, Cartman gives the simple response, "Totally". EDIT: Thanks for all the nice comments guys! Also to the people who still don't get it, either you're too young, or you come from a family that has made it so that you don't have to worry about not getting what you want (neither is a bad thing). The reason "and then this happens" is stupid, is because, for most people in the world, accidents, unforeseen circumstances, and hardships are commonplace. A good story doesn't just hand its protagonist new events, happy circumstances, and a free out to their problems (anime does this shit a lot nowadays which is why I'm starting to not watch it anymore). I don't wish hardships on anyone, but it's through hardship that you can really see what type of person you are. Literally, "but therefore" is - but then this hardship got in the way, therefore the protagonist adapted to the situation like a boss and did this. If you still don't understand, good luck in life buddy.
@prasannakumar-nt2vi
@prasannakumar-nt2vi 4 жыл бұрын
Great
@dougtrav1
@dougtrav1 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing analysis man
@saviola5194
@saviola5194 4 жыл бұрын
Therefore: you have no life
@kingpizza386
@kingpizza386 4 жыл бұрын
Great example!
@pardontillinghast4989
@pardontillinghast4989 4 жыл бұрын
You have a few "and thens" in this.
@teamhex
@teamhex 7 жыл бұрын
It's as simple as "Don't just write a bunch of general statements of what happened, tie them together and show cause and effect."
@sorenmine7765
@sorenmine7765 6 жыл бұрын
The results came back, i definitely have breast cancer
@IronLungs01
@IronLungs01 6 жыл бұрын
Sorenmine Man that escalated quickly !!!
@j.b.n.1492
@j.b.n.1492 5 жыл бұрын
@@sorenmine7765 Anyway, how's your sex life?
@alstinson
@alstinson 2 жыл бұрын
Good takeaway.
@CharlottevdVeen
@CharlottevdVeen 7 жыл бұрын
Ahh I love them so much. Trey's so exited to teech these keeds. :'D
@azizaki7912
@azizaki7912 7 жыл бұрын
Charlotte vdVeen I see what you did there 😉
@DarkWandererAU
@DarkWandererAU 6 жыл бұрын
It looks like he reached these keeeeeeeeds!
@Blizzic
@Blizzic 7 жыл бұрын
This is the most brilliant writing advice ever
@paperchasindude6578
@paperchasindude6578 5 жыл бұрын
I want to see Pixar teach me something
@paperchasindude6578
@paperchasindude6578 5 жыл бұрын
@shassitojn 49 I guess but they still got something so I'm not gonna give up yet
@razkable
@razkable 4 жыл бұрын
i hate shows books movies anything that has an then and then and then plots and it just keeps going that by the end you learn nothing and its just exciting things happening that people remember and will summarize but not get anything from ..basically smashing action figures together lets say as an example.....nothing is gained its just me using a story and characters to have stuff happen and pretend like i made art ...smdh..i am not invested in stuff happening for the plot to occur....i could care less about stuff just happening like thats not story thats just events or plot..as a writer i can writer anything happening if i really wanted to..even if it makes no sense..thats not interesting or hard and it eventually becomes cliche and lame.....thats not what makes people care...writing themes characters story is hard..anyone can write plot and have events occur
@sageo7618
@sageo7618 3 жыл бұрын
It's so simple yet true... and highly effective. Any time I'm writing (just for fun), I get really bored if I don't have some sort of conflict in almost every paragraph or throughout the entire chapter. Thanks to their advice, I'm no longer bored with my work.
@joelwillis2043
@joelwillis2043 3 жыл бұрын
hard yikes
@alexbarker6864
@alexbarker6864 6 жыл бұрын
You think that’s bad? Remember the time I had lunch in a Mexican restaurant with Gary Coleman??
@christopherpreciado7578
@christopherpreciado7578 3 жыл бұрын
Now THAT was a sticky situation.
@NoYoutubeName1
@NoYoutubeName1 3 жыл бұрын
Family Guy sucks therefore I make fun of it, but it still exists...
@musicalman1995
@musicalman1995 7 жыл бұрын
They’re great teachers too. I mean they are the most humble people I’ve ever come across.
@destroyermaker
@destroyermaker 3 жыл бұрын
Until they watch Family Guy
@billyalarie929
@billyalarie929 3 жыл бұрын
i like how he has a marker in his hand. and there's a whiteboard right next to him. he UNCAPS THE MARKER. and then instead decides to write on an imaginary board.
@patstaysuckafreeboss8006
@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 3 жыл бұрын
Because his imagination is one of his higgest strengths and people dont get engaged seeing notes written on a board!
@Frank7489
@Frank7489 3 жыл бұрын
He uncaps it because he likes how it smells and it makes his ideas better
@CraigDemel
@CraigDemel 3 жыл бұрын
@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 Yes, if he wrote something, people would focus on whatever couple words he wrote and not on the fifty words he was saying.
@jonathandorozowsky4005
@jonathandorozowsky4005 3 жыл бұрын
Now THAT'S some outside the box thinking!
@steele_heart77
@steele_heart77 3 жыл бұрын
Matt and Trey: "If you're using 'and then' in-between acts, you're fucked." Seth MacFarlane: **confused screaming**
@frightenedsoul
@frightenedsoul 3 жыл бұрын
@Stéphane Mallette I know they poke fun of them on South Park but do they really not like Family Guy? I would have to hear them say it outside of their comedy show in order to buy that.
@iorekby
@iorekby 3 жыл бұрын
@@frightenedsoul kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqi2komBZrWpe8k Listen to this, they specifically say "We don't respect it (Family Guy) in terms of writing" They do not like the show.
@iorekby
@iorekby 3 жыл бұрын
@Stéphane Mallette They don't have any beef today, they are pretty civil to each other Matt and Trey just don't like the way they make Family guy.
@alexmartin3143
@alexmartin3143 3 жыл бұрын
If you’re just a fan of comedy and love to laugh you can respect both groups FG and SP. They’re (Matt and Trey + Seth) more alike than any of them would admit even though they hate each other now..
@RagnarokMic
@RagnarokMic 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, MacFarlane is hilarious…just Family Guy is his lowest common denominator comedy. Much better in the likes of American Dad and the Orville.
@racheldollton
@racheldollton 5 жыл бұрын
He's actually an awesome teacher.
@dogpd3
@dogpd3 Жыл бұрын
He was going to go into teaching had he not succeeded with South Park
@stevena488
@stevena488 2 жыл бұрын
I love this alongside Gary Kurtz's writing advice too: "I took a master class with Billy Wilder once and he said that in the first act of a story you put your character up in a tree and the second act you set the tree on fire and then in the third you get him down."
@ninobach7456
@ninobach7456 3 жыл бұрын
I love telling stories when I'm with my friends but find it hard to make them engaging therefore this advice is pure gold...
@justforfun6922
@justforfun6922 4 жыл бұрын
This is a old video but I actually learned something therefore I’m gonna watch it again
@jonathandorozowsky4005
@jonathandorozowsky4005 3 жыл бұрын
... BUT you're lazy, so you won't do any writing.
@chaosdream21
@chaosdream21 3 жыл бұрын
Been writing for years and this is so perfect and simple.
@FarewellFix
@FarewellFix Жыл бұрын
Imagine being a student in that class but you were sick or skipped that day. These are some seriously lucky students.
@gaius_enceladus
@gaius_enceladus Жыл бұрын
It'd be *soooo satisfying* passing on your knowledge and wisdom like this! This is what life is about when you get older (I'm 61 now) - trying to pass on to younger people what you've learned about various things.
@KittyMatador
@KittyMatador 2 жыл бұрын
This was incredibly helpful. I was in a class where the teacher emphasized that each scene in a script needed "stand on it's own, like a sketch" and it confused me because then how is it a cohesive story? But this makes perfect sense! Thank you!!!
@oliverford5367
@oliverford5367 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I think that's bad advice. A lot of great movies have scenes of setup, scenes that connect to other scenes. They may be good in themselves but holding attention for 90minutes plus is a much harder task than making a small good scene.
@kobeanderson6718
@kobeanderson6718 5 жыл бұрын
That’s a very intelligent way of approaching writing structure and especially with Matt added about the “this happened and this happened and this happened...wtf am I watching this for?”
@johnnysecular
@johnnysecular 2 жыл бұрын
i just tested this on a Curb episode and hell yes, wow. gotta say though this makes writing that much more difficult. It’s not a hack. It’s more of a bar.
@AntonyCannon
@AntonyCannon 2 жыл бұрын
^This comment^ 👌
@mrgeeviestee
@mrgeeviestee 2 жыл бұрын
Whether you like South Park or not, there's no denying that these two are masters of their craft. I can't count the number of great movies, tv shows, etc. that I've watched and looked for the points laid out in this lesson. Spoiler alert: All of them do exactly this.
@ManOfSdeel
@ManOfSdeel 2 жыл бұрын
Trey looks more enthused and happy to be here than he does in any other "behind the scenes" thing they've done. It would have been so cool to hear these guys speak in school.
@mrjdavidt
@mrjdavidt Жыл бұрын
What’s funny to me is how they explained in a minute and a half what makes them stick out amount their competition. I could tell you fairly straight how some of my favorite episodes of South Park pan out because of the coherent story telling; where as, Family Guy loses me about 4 minutes in because of the “cut-away” and plot that’s all over the place. Sorry I’ve been getting into storyboarding and writing for game development. It’s just so amazing to me.
@scottyk200
@scottyk200 Жыл бұрын
This has to be one of the greatest golden nuggets of advice. I’ve tried writing scripts myself, but always struggled with plots. This advice would seem to make complete sense.
@MayaAshAnimation
@MayaAshAnimation 4 жыл бұрын
There is literally a dry eraser board next to him and he is writing in the air 💀
@dannypriestley1978
@dannypriestley1978 3 жыл бұрын
Now that's a genius!
@NoYoutubeName1
@NoYoutubeName1 3 жыл бұрын
Imaginayyyyyyeeayyyeeyyyiiiitionnn!
@yoshiguy123
@yoshiguy123 3 жыл бұрын
Why would he stand off to the side to demonstrate something?
@victoriarodriguezdeleon4497
@victoriarodriguezdeleon4497 Жыл бұрын
@@NoKZbinName1 LMAO
@jmg9509
@jmg9509 3 ай бұрын
Because it puts the thought in your head of why he is writing on air instead of on the board. Therefore, he captures your attention! (Aka you’re listening more deeply to him)
@joediesen1
@joediesen1 2 жыл бұрын
This is great advice for writers. Like Matt said, there are so many boring movies and TV shows that use the this happened and then this happened and then this happened outline. It makes you wonder how those movies and show got greenlit.
@rinnix8501
@rinnix8501 4 жыл бұрын
Two of the most brilliant guys giving students gold advice of how to write a show.
@emmettlester739
@emmettlester739 3 жыл бұрын
I like how Trey is so excited to teach lol
@gaeltigree418
@gaeltigree418 5 жыл бұрын
I wanna meet them so bad my idols 😭
@trauf777
@trauf777 4 жыл бұрын
they and taika waititi and sacha baron cohen and louis ck and ricky gervais...
@scott917
@scott917 4 жыл бұрын
its nice to see them sharing their knowledge.
@johnnysecular
@johnnysecular 2 жыл бұрын
omfg that tip is so good!! “if you can put, and then, it’s probably boring” woah!!! although come to think of it, it also makes it that much more difficult or probably time consuming to write anything hahaha.
@MrDarthvader2101
@MrDarthvader2101 7 жыл бұрын
Right. Scenes must be linked by causality. Smart guys.
@modshroom
@modshroom 6 жыл бұрын
lmao
@Gyrbae
@Gyrbae 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, there are so many writers out there who are completely oblivious to this.
@alexigiguere9890
@alexigiguere9890 3 жыл бұрын
@@Gyrbae why follow this piece of advice when doing a slice-of-life film, or imitating realism? real life events aren't always linked together
@gnalkhere
@gnalkhere Жыл бұрын
Seeing this lecture way back when made me gain a lot of respect for them
@BFusey
@BFusey 3 жыл бұрын
I’m not in the creative world but this makes so much sense. I hope those people get to see this
@Parasiteve
@Parasiteve Жыл бұрын
id prob shed a tear if this happened to me. just because of how much i adore them. like the fact i would be taught by them? just amazing.
@mrbeans2425
@mrbeans2425 3 жыл бұрын
This is probably the BEST advice these kids ever got in their lives! Does anyone know if there is a full thing out there?
@nyanko2077
@nyanko2077 3 жыл бұрын
These two are legends.
@AJMarraffa
@AJMarraffa 2 жыл бұрын
Really excellent advice. I'll do my best to keep this in mind while writing my game's story.
@jordanvanetten7887
@jordanvanetten7887 2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit this was enlightening. I've been trying to explain to some students that they have been writing shopping lists of events, not a story, but could never really explain why or what to do. Matt and Trey just explained it.
@gavinbrando8255
@gavinbrando8255 3 жыл бұрын
After watching this I learned a lot and then I wrote down 'therefore' and then 'but'. Fantastic advice.
@champthy
@champthy 2 жыл бұрын
Clever and underrated comment.
@iletaMarchita
@iletaMarchita 7 жыл бұрын
where can i watch this whole thing?
@matthewchow4991
@matthewchow4991 4 жыл бұрын
Students writing down notes quickly, but trey Parker is speaking to fast, therefore students get carpel tunnel.
@jodiburnett6211
@jodiburnett6211 Жыл бұрын
I love how they don’t care about being celebrity pawns, but jump into engaged teaching.
@vilentman111
@vilentman111 3 жыл бұрын
Trey - *goes in detail how they write stories* Matt - "I AM THE TABLE"
@Hyporama
@Hyporama 7 жыл бұрын
it's an algorithm. therefore-but
@MrFiestaification
@MrFiestaification 7 жыл бұрын
they're for butt?
@I_AM_BAYTOR
@I_AM_BAYTOR 7 жыл бұрын
Who isn't?
@ichabodcrane916
@ichabodcrane916 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input, Matt.
@blessedroadministry702
@blessedroadministry702 2 ай бұрын
The profound brilliance of simplicity. This video is short, BUT amazingly powerful!
@cable7152
@cable7152 3 жыл бұрын
Causality is a big part of flowing a story smoothly, that's how a 3 hour movie can feel like 2 hours.
@alanbrown667
@alanbrown667 6 жыл бұрын
You don't want one scene where it's like 'well what was the point of that scene' family guy? Haha
@umjackd
@umjackd 5 жыл бұрын
*sigh* the Game of Thrones writers could use a bit of this.
@evoxghiretti
@evoxghiretti 4 жыл бұрын
@Kyel ! hes probbably also underestimating ending a show as difficult like that in 6 hours (8 for those that are crazy about this).
@PsychedelicDude
@PsychedelicDude 4 жыл бұрын
@@evoxghiretti those morons chose to end it in 6 episodes though(13 if we count S7 which was also a pile of shit). they had every opportunity to make more episodes or even more season. by not doing that, they basiacally scammed all their loyal fans
@petmak4998
@petmak4998 4 жыл бұрын
yep "Gay of Moans" 😒😴
@toysrdave
@toysrdave 3 жыл бұрын
@@petmak4998 wait. you're using that as an insult? Sounds like a party to me.
@tbirdUCW6ReAJ
@tbirdUCW6ReAJ 3 жыл бұрын
Yup. I do like the plot ideas of Game of Thrones, just not the story
@firstlast9846
@firstlast9846 2 жыл бұрын
*NGL I interpreted this as a little different* than some people in the comments… I saw it as, the story beats should have “therefore” “however” and “but” between each of them.. to help carry the character’s progression and conflict.. like for example, *Robert Neville, in I Am Legend* builds a relationship with a stray dog on the street.. he’s given a reason to live again *BUT* the dog gets sick and he has to throw away the weeks of trust he’s built with the dog - by picking it up and dragging it into his house to “cure” it.. he tried his best *BUT* the dog dies a week later. He’s lost the only thing he’s loved for three years. *HOWEVER* months later - a woman appears across his street.. he wonders if he can love again - - and realises his own loneliness terrifies people as he forces them to keep him company. *GREAT WRITING ADVICE* .
@rockoperajon
@rockoperajon 6 жыл бұрын
The writers for The Simpsons used to understand this rule 20 years ago. I wish they still did.
@MrParkerman6
@MrParkerman6 5 жыл бұрын
Not really, classic Simpsons doesn't follow this at all.
@karlnord1429
@karlnord1429 5 жыл бұрын
Conan left, along with the other greats.
@antipro8
@antipro8 5 жыл бұрын
@@karlnord1429 I love Conan, but as far as i know he only helped write 4 episodes...
@DavidPayne81
@DavidPayne81 4 жыл бұрын
@@antipro8 He basically dominated the writing room for seasons 4 & 5. Everyone who was in the room at that time says it was "The Conan Show".
@allys744
@allys744 2 жыл бұрын
I first learned this rule as a freshman in film school and it’s stuck with me ever since.
@snowrider9018
@snowrider9018 2 жыл бұрын
“And then” could still work. However, the reason why the “but-therefore” method works so well is because it shifts the perspective of story structure. “And then” could be random events where as “but-therefore” gives purpose to the event beforehand, which makes sense in storytelling
@MrArtVein
@MrArtVein 2 жыл бұрын
This. I didn't get it until he said each scene has to work as a sketch otherwise why is it in there. Family guy did the opposite. The cutaways were always random
@firstlast9846
@firstlast9846 2 жыл бұрын
I mentioned this in my own comment sort of.. but the Novel *I am Legend* for the first half of the story follows story beats that are along the lines of “and then” which isn’t a bad thing - but you need to make those moments profoundly interesting (which the novel does) because like they said - if you’re just leading the reader on with the promise of nothing.. what’s the point?
@1HRBNGR1
@1HRBNGR1 2 жыл бұрын
I see the "but-therefore" as like a fool proof way of building a story. "And then" can work very well, it just requires more thought and focus. I would say that the majority of tv and movies nowadays are all "and then" with little to no thought.
@Grim_Bud
@Grim_Bud 2 жыл бұрын
@@1HRBNGR1 I think the trap with "And then" is that you might think you would have captivated the consumer enough for him to reach the "But" if there is one, this can be dangerous because what if it doesn't make any senses and what if the payoff was not worth the whole "And then" train. "Therefore" and "But" already ties the story logically plus has a lot of back and forth leading to a more dynamic experience instead of sitting through and mindlessly observing.
@Chillerll
@Chillerll Жыл бұрын
@@MrArtVein This is the reason why they called out family guy so many times.
@raine8059
@raine8059 Жыл бұрын
I watched Showgirls for the first time yesterday, and that is a perfect example of an unsuccessful film that follows a "...and then this happens" format instead of the "but/therefore, this happens" format.
@contactkeithstack
@contactkeithstack 7 жыл бұрын
He gave that same advice in 6 days to air
@chihchang1139
@chihchang1139 3 жыл бұрын
professionals of any craft always have learned mechanisms from insight and experience. These guys are master word-smiths
@tanpritsidhu
@tanpritsidhu Жыл бұрын
These guys are more pumped to teach than most professors today
@TimothyPingus
@TimothyPingus 3 жыл бұрын
They would make great teachers, maybe one day they will train some young writers. I don't think anybody will step up to do what they do for a while after they're gone.
@CrowaX
@CrowaX 7 жыл бұрын
I wanna watch the full episode :(
@angryscotsman339
@angryscotsman339 7 жыл бұрын
It's only about 3 minutes longer, they just say that you shouldn't spend years tweaking one project, you should make a number of things.
@angryscotsman339
@angryscotsman339 7 жыл бұрын
It's only about 3 minutes longer, they just say that you shouldn't spend years tweaking one project, you should make a number of things.
@SparkySINN
@SparkySINN 5 жыл бұрын
@@angryscotsman339 if you say it a third time Matt and Trey will appear.
@EBKillerz
@EBKillerz 5 жыл бұрын
@@angryscotsman339 Do you have the full version?
@bouncytrapbeats
@bouncytrapbeats 3 жыл бұрын
I love how enthusiastic Trey is
@MindlessTurtle
@MindlessTurtle Жыл бұрын
Concise, brilliant advice.
@alexigiguere9890
@alexigiguere9890 3 жыл бұрын
Gentle reminder that no writing tip is 100% always correct. Another famous one is "dont start your script with a character waking up", but sometimes that's genuinely how the film should start.
@BricksIn
@BricksIn 6 жыл бұрын
I never thought a 2 minute video would be so helpful to story writingz
@PoolBoy314
@PoolBoy314 5 жыл бұрын
Game of Thrones feels like the whole "And then" thing now
@spacifyadam
@spacifyadam 2 ай бұрын
This advice is so applicable to so many areas. Im a physio and i can see it would help with educating my clients. e.g because when you do this exercise you will get stronger and THEREFORE your pain and function will improve, BUT if you dont you will be in pain, weak and fragile.
@ethanmorris8108
@ethanmorris8108 3 жыл бұрын
Two geniuses trying to teach lightening in a bottle. Their creativity is on a different level.
@NorthTexasEagle1989
@NorthTexasEagle1989 3 жыл бұрын
Needed this today 🙌
@BeazleyStudios
@BeazleyStudios 4 жыл бұрын
And this is why South Park is so successful. They understand the mechanics of good writing and story structure.
@NoYoutubeName1
@NoYoutubeName1 3 жыл бұрын
Explain how Family Guy got successful?
@BeazleyStudios
@BeazleyStudios 3 жыл бұрын
@@NoKZbinName1 I don't think anyone can explain that.
@TimothyPingus
@TimothyPingus 3 жыл бұрын
@@NoKZbinName1 family guy is made for idiots and idiots are everywhere
@NoYoutubeName1
@NoYoutubeName1 3 жыл бұрын
@@TimothyPingus exactly. There is more than one way to be “successful” but I can’t consider Family Guy a success because of how bad it is. Popularity alone isn’t my idea of success, the quality has to be good at least generally.
@InfiniteFramesGaming
@InfiniteFramesGaming Жыл бұрын
@@NoKZbinName1 cut-aways
@alstinson
@alstinson Жыл бұрын
That's literally the best advice coming from literally the best in the fucking business.
@iletaMarchita
@iletaMarchita 7 жыл бұрын
Fucking sick writers man. love these fuckers
@MrSkinnyWhale
@MrSkinnyWhale 7 жыл бұрын
"Hey ileta, what are you doing?" "Fucking sick writers man. love these fuckers"
@isaacramirez2098
@isaacramirez2098 3 ай бұрын
You could feel the passion coming from Trey when explaining writing to those students
@basedbattledroid3507
@basedbattledroid3507 5 жыл бұрын
I don't know if I could even sit through this lecture; I just keep hearing Randy and other characters and it's too awkward to focus on the genuinely great advice they're giving. Really simple formula and works so well, it's kinda like Music Theory. Great for comedy because of the element of surprise but also for writing in general.
@dthill96
@dthill96 Жыл бұрын
That thing he’s saying of bridging the gaps between beats works also for an essay if you think about it. It’s like if you’re trying to get to the next sentence, imagine your previous sentence is asking you what’s next and you as the writer have to provide the answer
@L.Reeves
@L.Reeves 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus fucking christ they just actually revolutionized the way I think about writing in 2 minutes and 14 seconds. True, living legends. I wish them 20 more seasons.
@Antonis76
@Antonis76 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing writing advice every aspiring writer should hear.
@matthewchow4991
@matthewchow4991 5 жыл бұрын
1:30 MUST WRITE NOTES
@devoabrown
@devoabrown Жыл бұрын
brilliant in it's simplicity and impact on the story!!
@apocaloso
@apocaloso 6 жыл бұрын
I remember watching the whole thing online, but now I can't find the complete video anywhere. Any help?
@NoYoutubeName1
@NoYoutubeName1 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to find it too. Sorry I don’t have the answer but I’m upvoting and replying to you hoping that the algorithm with place your comment higher
@bcvetkov8534
@bcvetkov8534 Жыл бұрын
That's seriously genius what they're talking about and i totally never noticed it before.
@bubpvp9833
@bubpvp9833 5 жыл бұрын
If you ever feel bad just think how I did when I took this one day off and missed this
@Captain_Neckbeard
@Captain_Neckbeard 2 жыл бұрын
I would be pissed.
@oraclemedia9266
@oraclemedia9266 2 жыл бұрын
THIS SHORT INSIGHT! Safed my script! THANKS!!!!
@sorenmine7765
@sorenmine7765 6 жыл бұрын
The results are back, i definitely have breast cancer.
@kevinl8440
@kevinl8440 6 жыл бұрын
Its called titty cancer
@elijahnaumov8379
@elijahnaumov8379 5 жыл бұрын
Is this a reference to The Room? I was just thinking about this phrase (and what went next) as an epitome of poor writing!
@jasonx-ray3921
@jasonx-ray3921 3 жыл бұрын
I understand exactly what he is saying about the story connectors. Thank-you.
@shrekt1000
@shrekt1000 6 жыл бұрын
why are they so cool
@actuallynotsteve
@actuallynotsteve Жыл бұрын
This was make my decade, being in the class by surprise
@NoYoutubeName1
@NoYoutubeName1 3 жыл бұрын
This is a genius yet simple to apply idea that I think would inspire the imagination to come up with more story beats. But I also have to say that not every piece of work needs to be as packed and as interesting as that structure. I definitely like watching a lot of things like that. But I also like low stakes films that you could call boring. Different tastes you know. Doesn’t mean it’s bad, but obviously a lot of people including Matt and Trey think they’re bad because they don’t like slower paced movies. Some people don’t appreciate things that others can relate to / see and feel things that others don’t.
@alexigiguere9890
@alexigiguere9890 3 жыл бұрын
Precisely what I was thinking! Slice-of-life films will obviously not have this structure, as life itself doesn't conveniently tie everything together.
@brukehintsa2207
@brukehintsa2207 2 жыл бұрын
'But' and 'Therefore' is the best writing technique I have ever seen. So influential.
@owenstephen8317
@owenstephen8317 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who’s trying to write a sitcom pilot and was struggling with coming up with an interesting story arc, this video is a great detailed explanation.
@christoffthe2nd1386
@christoffthe2nd1386 3 жыл бұрын
These guys are amazing!!!
@MrParkerman6
@MrParkerman6 6 жыл бұрын
To make a movie you also need stuff and things!
@MindMasterDan
@MindMasterDan 3 ай бұрын
They're the best!!!!!
@TheSodapops1001
@TheSodapops1001 7 жыл бұрын
i would shit my pants if they just showed up in one of my classes
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