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[@locoloboxiii]

Before I even watch.... if Perry Saturn, Former Army Ranger, guy who got shot twice stopping an attack on a Woman, who also took bumps in ECW, and had plenty of opportunity to be in or witness backstage antics, calls someone a badass, they are.

[@brianshields7485]

He's a tough operator no doubt

[@tormmac]

No idea he had a scroll. Siiiiiick

[@charliereah4831]

Guy is a hero 100%❤

[@albino5995]

A tough man and an honourable man 🫡

[@w00llee14]

Perry's a solid bloke who, despite some misguided moments, deserves better. Glad to see he's on the road to recovery.

[@xtrememarioplush793]

You have to get Blackman for a shoot interview !

[@jonbourgoin182]

If James can manage to track down and book Saturn then I don't see how he couldn't also book Blackman

[@xtrememarioplush793]

@@jonbourgoin182 Yes great point

[@fingersTitan]

The whole of Wrestling Bios will tune in for that one.

[@mayorhaggar1275]

I will too!

[@davidzindler5858]

Perry seems like a cool dude

[@andrealecismusic4328]

A cool dude? This guy is a hero.

[@LampLoungeLive]

I love how majority of wrestlers can always remember exactly which city they were in for whatever story they’re telling. Considering how many years of constant travels they have been through

[@nitty728]

Right? I also am always amazed at that as well.

[@BrottenGuy]

This is something I’ve also often wondered. Every damn story….”So, there I was. We were at the hat of this bowling alley right outside downtown, in [enter town name]…” I get these are wild stories. But, they also shove down our throats that they are/were on the road 300-350 days per year & these guys going for 25 years

[@beeaveragegaming3482]

The same with nba players 😮 when athletes got a schedule it's easy to remember everything else.

[@heretic600]

You just become more aware of a cities charm/feel/vibe other nuances when you're there frequently but don't live there, especially when add in personal milestones like ppv moments moments, so locations get grained into the memory that forms, sort of like the gps coordinates stored in the meta data when you take a picture

[@soulofanerd9364]

Good point ​@@heretic600

[@user-ye7md8lk1o]

Really need a Steve Blackman sit-down interview.

[@CaptainLemonDrop]

Right! I've been hoping for it!

[@TheFlamingPike]

Definitely not enough Steve Blackman shoot interviews.

[@kp-wp8tx]

Just call him at his bail bond business and offer $2,500.

[@Jestin612]

​@kp-wp8tx imagine him kicking down your door 😆

[@0maxk_]

I doubt he will do it

[@aayzajm]

I remember Perry previously saying "Meng would kill us all and there'd be nothing we could do about it" 😂😂

[@Fezzy976]

Saturn is a joy to listen too, I really loved watching him work back in the day. I hope hes doing well now!

[@ironadversity2500]

*to

[@Fezzy976]

@@ironadversity2500 damn fat fingers! :P

[@ganglabesh]

lets get perry some teeth!

[@KayFabe87]

DDP can probably help like he did with Scotty Riggs.

[@burntvirtue]

​@@KayFabe87no not those kind of teeth. They SUCK. They always look unnatural and awkward. Riggs got exactly the teeth he said he didn't want.

[@Sneakerveli]

I don't have much but I'll chip in!!

[@studbourbon798]

He deserves them. A Tru hero

[@RatedRLouisN.TNAwrestling]

YES!!!!!! I know how it feels not having them. He definitely deserves... I cant believe wwe wont help them with stuff like this.... Smh

[@DanielGarcia-us7tf]

Perry Saturn had a better top rope elbow than most of the performers from his era. His matches with Goldberg, Booker T, Raven, Kanyon, Chris Benoit, DDP and Paul London were fantastic.

[@justint8635]

Absolutely. If Perry were a modern wrestler, he'd be a top guy.

[@soulofanerd9364]

💯

[@ComicBookGuy420]

The elbow drop, the rings, and his version of the death valley driver, brilliant

[@johnny5805]

Who could ever forget that old interview clip of Perry with Sean Oliver when he asked him "Who would win a fight back in WCW between: Saturn, Scott Norton, Fit Finlay, Haku, The Barbarian, Rick Steiner and Jim Duggan, Saturn replied "Tonga. Nobody else would stand a chance. Not even a question. He could kill everyone without blinking and there is nothing anyone could do about it" You always remember this because Perry looked genuinely scared when he answered ! 😀

[@stevebc957]

He also said he might let Barb live out of consideration for a fellow Pacific Islander.

[@mannybudhu3905]

I believe it was Sullivan..who was scared when he ask Meng, to do something unethical...I don't if Meng was going to get angry at me...he said.

[@joshuaDstarks]

It’s the greatest response to the answer. Perry really did look like he was imagining it happen in his head.

[@MaintenanceWithATwist]

I remember that video. Couldn't help but think those were the most random names to pick for that question.

[@choke9270]

@@MaintenanceWithATwistnot really. All of them were noted bad asses and tough guys. Duggan had shovels for hands and got in fights in mid south with Dr Death at bars constantly.

[@martinwalton9307]

Jesus, imagine Steve Blackman turning up at your door.

[@jonbourgoin182]

He'd mufugg kick your door open

[@RicheyYT]

Man, idk how DDP didn't get hold of Perry!, i wish he can help him, i want to see him smile again, getting in shape and maybe make an appearance in a wrestling show, he's truly a legit bada$$ and a legend

[@indievinceinglese3560]

He's still super sharp mentally

[@wheatgrinder83]

@@indievinceinglese3560I’m so happy to see his memory is still sharp. I was worried prior to the interview given his issues, but he seems okay here. He must be seriously tough to resurrect himself.

[@BigChucka419]

All us Reliving The War fans know Steve Mufuggin Blackman is a badass

[@wesleymcneese8554]

And may God have mercy on anyone listening to country music in his presence

[@fingersTitan]

James put. "We have Steve Blackman coming on the show. Please ask your questions below and the best will make it." 1st. Why don't you like country music? 2nd. What happened to Dugs robot monster with lazer eyes? James gives up reading any more*

[@djpee25]

He’s an animal,AN ANIMAL!!!

[@rmcdudmk212]

Shout out the the Jam-up guys and gals out there. 👍

[@JGD185]

I remember a few years ago Blackman had a martial arts school or was an instructor at one and was training fighters for mma fights. So he's legit.

[@dannysavagedraftguru]

I have bounced my whole life never understood why anyone would walk into a bar look 👀 at Haku and be like yeah I going to pick a fight with this guy. Just nuts don’t make sense

[@zachmermis2511]

Im sure there are plenty of guys who regret fucking with him.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

As someone who worked a door or two, people on hardcore drugs, or even just drunks don't always make sense

[@chaoticdays]

I've watched 7 wrestling legends asked about Haku vs Brock Lesnar in their respective primes and all 7 picked Haku without hesitation just like Perry Saturn picked him in this clip. Also, I loved how he talks about Rick Rude being a badass who could knock out people at will and then at 4:44 he says Rick Rude wouldn't stand a chance against Haku.

[@mannybudhu3905]

I remember watching Warlord..meeting Haku at a signing....the way Warlord looks at Haku...like a kid meeting Mr. Olympia...total respect.

[@jeremybatista9653]

Perry looks better than what he did a few years ago

[@birk3383]

Totally agree

[@SeanOMatic]

Steve Blackman has a lot of respect from the guys in the back. Even Shamrock has gone on record on Blackman being legit.

[@worstcasescenario5242]

Nothing but respect for Perry Saturn. Straight shooter

[@justinnathaniel2478]

I think I speak for everyone when i say: WE NEED A PERRY SATURN PODCAST

[@GodLovesYou828]

God Bless Perry

[@vanthdreadstar8039]

I love Saturn. One of the best wrestlers to watch. Great to see him looking happy in this vid.

[@thewhitepanther6052]

He was one of my fav wrestlers in WCW. They had no idea what to do with him in WWE.

[@TheRmm1976]

he was perfect as the "enforcer" for Raven's flock

[@soulofanerd9364]

​@@TheRmm1976💯

[@zachmermis2511]

​@@TheRmm1976 couldnt agree more.

[@tacoenvy]

Man I love Saturn, he was a great worker, great move set, Rings of Saturn, Death Valley Driver. I miss hearing Joey Styles yell out " TOTAL ELIMINATION!!!! " when he tagged with John Kronus.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

Joey added so much to the ECW matches, so underrated as an announcer Like instead of oh my god when super crazy did the balcony dive "oh dios mio"

[@tacoenvy]

@@ComicBookGuy420 Yeah man exactly, I miss him.

[@darthsajin389]

Perry Saturn super kick counter against Glacier is an instant high light for me

[@blackdynamite3018]

Ron Simmons

[@Abioticwinter]

Last I heard about Perry was he saved a woman and got shot in the neck. Glad to see hes still around. I miss those ECW guys.

[@C3Muscle]

My man said “Haku is indestructible.” Damn

[@tobysgamingworld1550]

The only pro wrestling personality I was ever close with, actual long time friends, is the late Bill Moody (Paul Bearer) He always talked about how tough Rick Rude was and how he hated traveling with him because he got off on fighting. Loved it…..but he also said Steve Blackmon was a legit scary individual, like a certified killer. He said he never bragged about it, never ran his mouth, but he was as legit as they come. Bob Holly lived and worked in the same area as Bill (where I live) and was known to knock out plenty of people on the local tough man circuit but even he himself would never try Steve Blackman. He said “that’s the one, that’s the kind of guy that could snap your neck before you finished talking shit”. I believe it.

[@CornPop2]

Dude is a fan favorite. I hope he's making an impact on the people that care about him

[@ZEX606]

Yeah Steve Black ain't no joke my friend trained with him back in the day said Steve so fast quick in strong and teaching them submission and how to get out of them said Steve was getting out of submission in seconds making it look to easy.

[@brianshields7485]

He's a total badass he's not somebody you wanna f*** around with JBL knew better than to push his luck that's why he apologised and diffused the situation lucky for him

[@jackbauer4186]

​@brianshields7485 If people talk About Blackman like this, just imagine what an actual MMA champion could do to these guys.

[@terrellepps9548]

Imagine Steve Blackman vs Meng OHHH LAWD!!!!!!!!!!!

[@xtrememarioplush793]

My god IMO best shoot interviewee ever on your channel Perry is excellent, cant wait for the full upload

[@AnGhaeilge]

Would love to see Perry with DDP. Perry was one of the greatest in-ring workers of all time.

[@pavlovsdogman]

They wrestled against each other many times.

[@MarkWhiley]

Much love to Perry, I hope we get to see him more on podcasts and the fan circuit. Thanks for interviewing him.

[@ComaLies225]

I had a crush on Steve Blackman when I was a little girl, dude is a legit force to be reckoned with

[@georgemaranville3305]

Good to see Perry so lucid given what he’s been through. He’s a great interview.

[@lawrencestimpson6669]

The lethal weapon Steve Blackman is a serious dude. A college acquaintance worked out at the same gym out by Harrisburg as Steve (before his wwf run) claimed he was no one to mess with

[@anthonydrosos8679]

Seen him wrestle in Revere Massacre. Boston. Him and Kronos were incredible. I was benching 305 at the time and he made me look like a little kid. What a physical specimen Perry was.

[@aanntthhoonnyy]

I didn’t know how much I would enjoy old wrestler stories. Live your channel bud

[@dankmdunn4725]

Lovely to hear Perrys voice and opinions and i wish him well and all the best, one of the nicest guys and a super talent In the ring I loved him and still do

[@thebigmarbowski84]

On an ep of the E&C podcast Christian told a story of how he often thought about how Steve Blackman could probably kill everyone in the locker room one by one and there'd be nothing anybody could do about it.

[@wwf0]

Teddy long told that steve blackman - big show story, it's on KZbin, really wish I could hear their versions of the story.

[@soulofanerd9364]

Funny he mentions Robbie (Rick) Steiner. When Saturn was in WCW I always felt like he would have made a great third man teaming with Rick and Scott Steiner

[@nriab23]

I love these interviews they save the history of wrestling which would otherwise get lost forever. And James is an amazing interviewer. Always focuses on the wrestlers and not himself.

[@jamesdorward4501]

It's so good to see perry doing well considering how he was a few years back!

[@mjdf122]

Ravishing Rick Rude legit bad ass the greatest WCW United States and International Heavyweight Champion

[@tonyclifton2230]

Yeah but two cops? I am pretty sure that didn't happen.

[@Genethug187]

Love seeing perry clean and telling some good old stories looking good i know how it feels being on the wrong end of addiction!

[@gamejunkies316]

Fantastic worker so underrated HOF definitely

[@WAFFLEZZ_92]

For everything he has been through he speaks well and has a great memory

[@timhorn0511]

I am glad to see Perry. I worry for his healthy. He always seemed like a good dude.

[@losnamerales3403]

Im gonna watch a a "total elimation" compilation after this 💯

[@Smoking_dragon420]

Rings of Saturn man he was definitely cool character cheers

[@user-oo8un3ch4b]

So good to see Perry talking wrestling here today 👍

[@Toracube]

Great interview. Wrestlers always seem at ease in your company.

[@EternalxFrost]

I remember Perry's rivalry with Raven in WCW. That was good stuff.

[@mikes.4136]

These are so good.

[@jearlpruitt]

That Haku story is fantastic.

[@davidpressley3451]

Perry was my favorite Radical.

[@corycru8442]

Saturn is a legend the rings of saturn was dope i remember he would lock it in and be rollin his head around 😂

[@MichaelMartin-qe5ye]

Haku is a legit badass. Unless you show him the clip of the Shockmaster, then he'll giggle like a little schoolgirl.

[@RatedRLouisN.TNAwrestling]

Who ever thought his face tattoo would be something so many people do now... Lol hes awesome though. Always loved watching him!!!

[@someparts]

"4 in the morning on a Sunday" I know what the problem was.

[@robertathey8504]

This was after Rude was hurt. Imagine before?

[@kazman_6899]

Hang on. This clown is saying Rude had no chance against Haku? Is he serious? I don't think Rude would agree with him. Rude was scared of no one.

[@nkchappe]

You should have a long form interview wiht Perry. He is a goldmine.

[@ericfrontczak8016]

Thank you for your contribution perry

[@up-statestrong4451]

Awesome listening to some of the legit tough guys like Saturn talk about the REAL Alpha Males in the WWE.

[@michaelwatson7592]

Great interviews

[@jnulpi]

Oh Man Perry Saturn i cant believe it.He was such good Worker.I am so happy he is healthy again.

[@four321zero]

Nice to see Perry doing well

[@billyclub9863]

This guy is great. Knows his place in the pecking order & respectful!

[@ComicBookGuy420]

Haku, that is a bad bad man

[@loserguy1022]

That Tyson face tat...

[@hostility3404]

Perry had a sweet flying leg drop.

[@there-educationofrodgivens6950]

Man it’s good to hear from Saturn.

[@MonoCronic]

The whole Scott Norton thing was just 2 guys having fun. Both knew the outcome, yet they still went for it for the sake of it, lol

[@aldunkle]

Perry looks good. Good to see him well.

[@jayhad82]

Saturn seems like a really good dude and honest as hell.

[@kevthegoat8774]

Professional wrestling has historically always been full of legitimate tough guys. You got guys that started in professional wrestling then went on to fight for real like Brock Lesnar, Ken Shamrock, Dan Severn, Craig Pittman, Kazuyuki Fujita, Shinsuke Nakamura, Bobby Lashley, Kazushi Sakuraba, Alberto Del Rio, Rodney Mack, Sean O'Haire, Palmer Cannon, Bart Gunn, Bobby Fish etc Many shooters that excelled in amateur wrestling or other grappling arts and knew how to cripple someone like Danny Hodge, Kurt Angle, Lou Thesz, Bad News Allen, Chris Taylor, Mad Dog Vachon, Tracy Smothers, Bruno Sammartino, John Tenta, Steve Williams, Steve Blackman, Stu Hart, Toru Tanaka, Santino Marella, Scott Steiner, Otis, Baron Corbin, Bron Breakker, Hunico, Bret Hart etc Then you got the guys who weren't trained shooters but could hold their own with anybody like Haku, Peter Maivia, Harley Race, Sika, Afa, Cocoa Samoa, Ed Sailor White, André The Giant, David Schultz, Perry Saturn, Brian Pillman, Butch Reed, The Godfather, Gypsy Joe, Tony Halme, Booker T etc Unless you were a trained fighter the chances of beating even half of these guys is very unlikely.

[@shonmoody1706]

Perrys looking great. He was way underated since he was short. He's still in my top 10 wrestlers from an ability standpoint. I He's also from Cleveland like me so that helps lol

[@phenomwarlord]

Perry a class guy. Nice person

[@DaWrestlingKnowledge]

Perry shouldn’t sell himself short, I know he’s humble but he was legit back in the day also. Even if you’ve never seen him in real life action you can just tell, and I completely buy that story with him and Brock. I’ve been re-watching some Perry Saturn matches from the attitude era recently against Eddie Guerrero and Fully Loaded 2000 etc, man Perry was criminally underrated in the ring, his physique and his look too.

[@jaydaville1105]

I was the only kid growing up that adored Perry Saturn and Raven. I was always Saturn on WCW REVENGE. Great fuckin guy.

[@machohogan]

The only thing that gets me is that every time a pro wrestler, however tough, gets in the ring with a professional fighter they get humbled. Being realistic there are plenty of MMA fighters who’d take a peak Haku. Rick Steiner getting humbled by Vordel Walker. Bam Bam Bigelow and Kimo, Tony Halme. Plenty of supposed tough guys fell at the first hurdle. Guys like Brock, Lashley or even Jack Swagger are obviously legit. Anyone who tests themselves in real professional fighting has a right to known as a tough guy, the rest is just a work. Brawl For All showed how bad some supposed bad ass wrestlers look in real combat. Being 6’3 and 280lbs you have an advantage over 99.9% of people. Put a trained pro fighter the same size in front of you and it’s a different story.

[@buckster2575]

I'm pretty sure some of these prime wrestlers could beat the breaks off a MMA fighters.

[@buckster2575]

ryanmclaughlin1255 I'm pretty sure those dudes could still beat your ass.

[@buckster2575]

ryanmclaughlin1255 why is it im having a hard time believing you.

[@chaoticdays]

@ryanmclaughlin1255 fighting your female cousins in your mom's basement isn't combat training. Grow up kid

[@Snaffdude]

So good to see Perry ❤

[@Halbared]

The Big Show sweep thing seems to be Blackman sometimes, Shamrock sometimes.

[@ThatMassiV727]

One of my favorite people ever! Love ya Perry!

[@alinack69]

Aw, he seems to be doing a bit better than when I last saw him.

[@chrisnolan8885]

It wasn't blackman in the Big show story it was shamrock, Teddy Long got mixed up in a shoot interview but ken and big show have literally told the story

[@slanderman3296]

Thank you perry

[@derekvietro784]

You 100% need to get lex luger!! Always a great interview and a great guy

[@skyblaze616]

Saturn vs Sgt. Craig Pittman would've been epic in both men's prime

[@kevthegoat8774]

In a shoot? Saturn was tough but Pittman would have destroyed him, he was arguably the toughest man in WCW when he was there.

[@skyblaze616]

@@kevthegoat8774 Pittman likely would have won, but Saturn would’ve made him work. Pittman was a marine, Saturn was an army ranger…..it would’ve been good to watch.

[@kevthegoat8774]

@@skyblaze616 Go to the 7 minute mark of this video, this is Pittman destroying a Kickboxer with ease in the 1995 Vale Tudo tournament. Pittman was a better wrestler than Rick Steiner and Brock Lesnar who both would tie Saturn in knots. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmqccoR5mtt8oK8si=7CdS5B0yVioRAtmf

[@shawn9566]

Perry seems to be in good spirits, at least during this interview. Hope he's doing better for himself.

[@anthonytomlin904]

He seems to be in a much better place mad luv to original legend 😊

[@thegunslinger8806]

Mt favorite Blackman story is when he got on the ground to show off his moves and he asked big show to put his boot on his chest and he took him down and locked him up in some leg hold, the dude had he been there for UFC in the 90s would have been a killer. Thank God he stayed in wrestling and bail bonds cuz God knows he'd probably kill most guys today in the locker room.

[@shoelesblondlady]

As a kid I didn't know the top card from the lower card but late 90s midcard Saturn was awesome. He had one of my favorite movesets on wcw/nwo revenge and it was fun watching his bald head do the thing when he did rings of Saturn. If you want the best story ever look up his raven/moppy story. It involves a dildo helmet, drugs, flooding 2 hotel floors, prostitutes, fighting cops naked, a slip and slide, a mop and a new game that should be in the olympics. I gave away alot but you have still have no idea. They told it in one of those interviews where the guy pulls drugs out of a bag and asks them which wrestler associates with them most

[@HiGlowie]

If I got a dollar for every time I heard “Haku badass”

[@chrisruth7057]

Danny Hodge is the only guy that could give Haku a run for his money cause Danny is the 2nd toughest guy in wrestling history

[@CyclingwithVovo]

Never heard of him.

[@chrisruth7057]

@@CyclingwithVovo He was most a scary shooter ever + a great boxer & a great street fighter aswell + he also had scary grip strength & most legitimate guy in wrestling from the late 60s throughout the 70s then Harley Race was the 2nd most legitimate toughest from the late 60s throughout the 70s

[@Hill1742]

My money be on Hodge he could box and wrestle plus smashed through a windscreen with his fist with a broken neck he wouldn't stop fighting cos he had is nose bitten off it just make him fight harder he was a rare breed

[@ninomasciale81]

Danny Hodge would beat haku. I think is the only one that can. Hodge was a great boxer and a great great shooter with an incredible grip strenght .

[@CyclingwithVovo]

You are not talking about Spivey? Spivey got knocked out by one punch from Rudd.

[@ThumperT51]

Some folks can be "mean". Rude, Blackman and Haku can get "mean" with a quickness. Like looking in the eyes of Fedor Emelienenko....

[@lorddeathspit1124]

The Steiners never get credit for how tough they were. D1 all Americans meaning only guys like Angle and Brock could beat them.

[@johnnybeefum]

I don't a lot of pro-wrestling fans understand how incredibly difficult amateur wrestling is and what it means to be a D1 All-American or to make a World or Olympic team. Everyone says Haku would beat Brock in a fight but I'm wondering how Haku would be able to stop Brock from taking him down and what he'd be able to do if Brock was on top of him. There are very few people on the Earth who would make it out alive if they got caught underneath Brock. LOL

[@lorddeathspit1124]

@@johnnybeefum indeed. pro wrestling fans in general don’t understand that. Haku would get trapped under Brock and stay there. You can’t stop a world class amateur wrestler from taking you down without being one yourself.

[@kevthegoat8774]

​@@lorddeathspit1124 There's a few other guys I'd pick to take The Steiners who were around the same time as them: Sylvester Terkay - NCAA Heavyweight Champion being Kurt Angle's rival in college, went 3-1 in MMA and 0-2 in Kickboxing losing two close decisions to World Class Kickboxers. Craig Pittman - Was in WCW around the same time as The Steiners, Pittman was a Greco Roman wrestler and Olympic alternate who fought in the 1995 Vale Tudo tournament while still under contract with WCW. Bart Gunn - Bart wasn't an NCAA wrestler but he knew how to wrestle and had knockout power, also fought twice in MMA while in his 40's and gave a good account of himself. Shinsuke Nakamura - BJJ purple belt and has an amateur wrestling background too, fought in MMA and looked decent with some really nice smooth takedowns. Alberto Del Rio - Greco Roman wrestler and fought in MMA, there's a fight on here where he breaks a fighter's arm with a throw, also is no stranger to a backstage fight/street brawl as there's plenty of stories out there. Tracy Smothers - Wasn't an NCAA wrestler but had a wrestling background and was known for his street fighting ability, many guys have mentioned him as being one of the toughest ever in the business and legit toughest man in ECW. Dr. Death Steve Williams - Four time NCAA All American where he even beat future Olympics Gold Medalists and UFC fighters. Black Bart mentioned how back in the Mid South days Rick always used to challenge Steve and he'd stretch Rick all the time. You would definitely have to have some amateur wrestling knowledge and striking ability to beat The Steiners in a shoot. Terkay, Pittman and Williams were more accomplished wrestlers than both brothers.

[@richardstetson8221]

There is a video on KZbin called Why EVERYBODY was afraid of Scott Steiner 4 hours of Big Poppa Pump stories! and I've heard guys say Rick might have came out on top if the two of them got in a real fight

[@lorddeathspit1124]

@@kevthegoat8774 Del Rio, Bart and smothers wouldn’t beat the Steiners in a shoot imo. Dr. Death beat Rick a few times in amateur wrestling (in the lockeroom) according to black Bart. Pittman was legit for sure.

[@TravisBrady-wn8fr]

I always liked his style. I wish he were used a bit differently