WTF Happened To Helldivers 2? CEO Responds As Reviews Tank...

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[@DarthMirasshtar]

It's simple. Don't nerf the meta. Buff the non-meta. It's that fking simple.

[@DarthMirasshtar]

SEE YOU EVEN PLAYED THE THOR CLIP!

[@eleveneleven3474]

i dont understand where you get that that game is about power fantasy. You are literally disposable unit, also why you going only 4 not like 100 helldivers? ffs im sure this community thinks that starship troopers is power fantasy film about good guys.

[@0ptimusv0ltr0n]

Ah is allowed to make the game they want. Sadly I don't think it's what I want anymore. I had fun but I have no interest in lvl 8,9, or 10.

[@Death_Commander_LG]

This game had it´s potatial, now it´s just a waste of money, time and nerve

[@25Jake]

The analogy of HD2 being a mechanic shop and you have a flat tire so they deflate the remaining tires for "balance" is SOOOO SPOT ON lmao

[@magicman3163]

It’s so dumb like buff the least used weapons and improve the best weapon slightly

[@zeroibis]

100%

[@nickpang4630]

999999999999999% accurate

[@welcometoreality437]

It is not lol. The weapons were too op, so buffing everything would mean now everything is op making it worse. Nerfing enemies instead takes too much time since theres dozens of them. If you cant play without an op weapon lower the damn difficulty. Yall seriously couldn't be developers lol.

[@magicman3163]

@@welcometoreality437 nothing is OP in a fucking PVE game

[@KylewithaK]

Who would have thought adding stronger enemies while nerfing the most useful weapons would be seen negatively?

[@Robert-fr9wl]

The dev team balance their weapon around difficulty 5. Only three of their members ever play on difficulty 9... That's all I'm going to say🤦

[@lutherheggs451]

who would have thought that you might actually have to fight things for more than 2 seconds and actually might have to not only reload when fighting stronger enemies and actually have to call down resupply, the infinite resupply that your given

[@nahfr.]

Flamethrower still slaps idk what yall are talking about, just give chargers butt shots

[@oohshaohan8976]

@@nahfr. Backshots*

[@Baconcatboy]

​@@lutherheggs451your response is flawed. The breaker and flamethrower were perfectly balanced against the bugs. The bug front was challenging because the bugs were able to swarm the players. Most of the time you have no time to call resupply especially on higher difficulties. Maybe you should actually play the game before you talk 🤦🏼.

[@MrKrisrey]

The thing about the friends list problem being fixed is that my friends don't play anymore.

[@durbeshpatel3047]

lmao exactly

[@craig9365]

Good. Sounds like your the people who join me game knowingly on a 10. Drop in die 8 times cause your bad and then quit go on KZbin and reddit and cry how people are mean and the game is too hard when you can pick your difficulty. Please don't play. It's better for the rest of us that way

[@legendaerycraft2226]

@@craig9365 I, as a lvl 60 player who has failed 3 missions in his entire carrier(I play mainly dif 7 and 9) wouldnt want you in my squad. "Please don't play. It's better for the rest of us that way" Is just plain rude. Also, you are assuming that they are bad at the game, which you dont know.

[@thewiseone715]

​@@craig9365youre very fun to be around tho i see you have no life responding to every comment negatively

[@Boooopers]

​@@craig9365What a weird response.

[@alexmikedis9609]

1st month of this game was peak gameplay, crazy how they threw that away

[@RotGoblin]

exactly this, save the coding for how they fixed the friendslist bug, and just revert to 1.0 launch version. Fix the bugs they know how to fix, and just start again from there. Because launch version was loads of fun.

[@Saicofake]

My buddies and I are working adults who would rush back home daily just to play HD2. None of us give a shit about it now.

[@robert9595]

That was called hype. I got bored after like 10 hours. I feel bad for those of you who played hundreds too realize theres nothing to this game. Thats why they nerf everything. Its like Bugthesda and Shamfield, wouldnt add vehicles because they didnt want you to see how shitty the game is too fast. HD2, they nerf the power of everything to make it take longer to reach end game, that way you don't notice how shallow the game really is. Nothings really any stronger than the next.

[@Saicofake]

@@robert9595 we were not bored, we got tired of crashes, disconnects, horrible performance. We were okay to just wade through the nerfs but those bugs and glitches didn’t make it worthwhile. At one point, my buddies and I were doing a round robin of crashes. It got to the point if the loading screen was taking too long, we’d ask each other “okay who crashed.” We can adapt to the sucky nerfs, but not the bugs.

[@tgs7515]

@@robert9595Oh man you’re so cool

[@albertlarson9141]

Yet the hulks can still burn you through walls...

[@judyfps5059]

Not to mention when a heavy devastator manages to Bethesda itself into a rock and lasers the whole team to pieces.

[@LaserTractor]

"You don't understand!! It's another thing!"

[@saint_d_clap600]

I was hoping that was the reason they broke the flamethrower for chargers… that would be the reason I could accept because they fixed flames to not clip through everything might affect our flamethrower.

[@Bao598]

​@@saint_d_clap600 its ok that flames cant go through anything, but if it is for realism then when some fluid like napalm or gas hit something it end making an unbrella like shape instead of a laser into mirrow shape, and that last example is what we have in game now, wich makes no sense at all... Its even worse when you know that the only living creature that vould be inmune to heat even if its armored its the volcanic snail that literally lives on volcaninc chimneys anything else no matter how you armored it would have several problems dealing with the heat... And anyways, flamethrower fuel are made of high density fuels that tends to stick into surfaces until they are completely burnt...

[@saint_d_clap600]

@@Bao598 for me it’s not about realism but I remember Arrowhead saying back when it first came out that any changes they make also apply to the enemies (I think it was about friendly fire). I was hoping that they fixed the hulk flames so they can’t burn you through walls and that the flamethrower nerf was just a byproduct. That would make sense why it wasn’t listed in the changes to weapons. If it does only apply to our flamethrower and hulks can still burn you through walls I am pretty disappointed even though I don’t use the flamethrower much.

[@IAmNumber4000]

The idea that having 6 mags instead of 4 is going to make a weapon _overpowered_ is absurd in a game where if you take one wrong step, you will be one-shot by the enemy.

[@Hemlock32]

On the same note, I don't understand how the entire community is in an uproar over 2 magazines Its literally nothing. The gun still does the same fucking damage, still has the same fire-rate, still has the same range.

[@IAmNumber4000]

@@Hemlock32 mostly they’re in an uproar over the complete flamethrower rework which ruined the weapon just before the flame warbond released.

[@CrowMercury]

@@Hemlock32tell me you don’t play the game without telling me you don’t play the game. Terminids are a constant swarm and you quickly burn trough any ammo you have, putting 4 mags increases che chances you run out of it drastically. “But you can have ammo packs” means you have to change your entire equip around another nerf. Anything becomes good? Nerf. It’s the mentality. What’s the point of succeeding if you get punished for it because “you were not handicapping yourself at high difficulty”? What kind of backwards mentality it is?

[@ratzelbarreto2070]

I noticed the buff to enemies after a 1 month break. It was insane on how I was getting maw down easy with heavy armor no less and it was in lvl 9 difficulty.

[@thenotoriousc.h.o.w7251]

@@Hemlock32in a game that is pretty much horde based… you can’t be taking ammo away from players, running around and trying to find ammo while not being able to kill anything because all your stats are on cooldown shouldn’t take up most of the game

[@Murbz]

They listened to the 1% of people who care about it being ultra competitive instead of the 99% who just want to blast things and have fun.

[@ScribeLur]

I used to 2 man helldives and while it was tough it was fun, its a fucking nightmare now

[@Violet_Storm76]

Every fuckin gaming company man. Why the fuck do they listen to them but not the majority

[@hiimargo7058]

The irony is that we 1% also advocated for buffing everything because the nerfs dont affect us. The game is fundementally too easy and nerfing everything just makes it a boring slog thats still too easy for us yet frustrating and unfun for the 99%.

[@yeeyw]

​​@@Violet_Storm76 in other games like valo, cs, overwatch usually has more competitive players because it was PvP so there's not much casual so it didn't matter as much. But Helldivers 2 gameplay was geared towards casual because its PVE SO PLEASE STOP LISTENING TO SWEATY AHH NO LIFE NERD WHO TRYHARDING IN A PVE GAME

[@ColonelCommissarGaunt]

I'm not gonna lie your comment made me think of when I played Destiny 2 pvp. And the devs listened to the 1% ultra competitive people and removed skill based match making. Cause they wanted to just crush people who wanted to have fun instead of facing people on their level.

[@mepnep5060]

It’s like politics. You think they can’t fuck it up anymore than they already have and they surpass our expectations.

[@geyserguy2]

Arrowhead: "players need to be more reliant on stratagems not primary weapons" Players: "flamethrower is a stratagem. it even has a ship module to increase it's damage. why did you nerf it?" Arrowhead: "someone, somewhere, may have said the game was too easy. We have no idea who. But rumors have feelings too and those rumors wanted to buy our fire war bond. But only if Fire becomes useless" Players: ARE YOU STUPID?

[@PointK12Gaming]

Couldn't have said it better myself! Keep doing what you're doing, Arrowhead. You're just making it easier for us to give up on Helldivers when Space Marine 2 comes out.

[@OrionMagus]

Arrowhead nerved fire damage when the ship upgrade for fire damage came out. Of course they nerfed the flamethrower when the other flamethrower got released. 🤣

[@sylentsam1235]

​@@OrionMagus fine, don't use them 😊

[@thehatebringer8005]

this was 100% my thoughts on this as well why buy a warbond that they nerfed 2 days before its release.....lol so dumb

[@LordRazer3]

Oh don't use that as an excuse you now why they changed the fire mechanics. Chargers dieing quickly was an exploit that they just let us have until they decided to have a fire based warbond. I'd imagine you where salivating at the thought of killing charger's with your pocket torch while also carrying a commando for Titans.

[@datmanydocris]

The most ridiculous part about Arrowhead nerfing the flamethrower in the pursuit of chasing "realism" is that the nerf they made is in _direct contradiction with reality._ Seriously, flamethrowers shoot napalm, napalm is well know for _STICKING TO THINGS._ How is a substance that is historically documented to stick to things _bouncing off of armored targets_ realistic? And what about the other unrealistic things in the game? What about the automatons having infinite ammo and never needing to reload? What about the fact that a spewer vomiting all over it's fellow bugs doesn't kill them when it melts you in a millisecond? What about automatons still being able to accurately shoot you from hundreds of meters away through fog/blizzards/etc? What about automaton tanks being able to drive up _vertical cliffs?_ Why does realism A) matter in a fundamentally unserious and unrealistic game and B) only matters when it comes to the players and not the enemies?

[@Hippo_Hegemony]

I would add a C) players use logic to do things. Making everything illogical makes it harder for the player.

[@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D-]

It's funny because flamethrowers were also used to target tanks during the World Wars.

[@andrewhaseth6303]

Flamethrowers and fire in general was very well documented, and still is, as excellent for use against armored targets, either because it burns the inside and destroys vital equipment (or personnel,) or because it burns the oxygen and forces the personnel inside to either flee or die. Now maybe that wouldn’t work on robots, but robots that depend on heat syncs???? I think immense heat sticking would do the trick. So, in conclusion, the “Realism” claim is just a huge excuse for nerfing something fun and useful

[@grygaming5519]

@@andrewhaseth6303 Not only that but some of us know that metal conducts heat and concentrated heat on a metal object will make it lose its ability to resist pen damage.

[@nopejhonson958]

i have an idea that would make flamethrowers seem kind of cool. flame throwers do pretty crazy damage, but the creatures are generally smart enough to know 'fire bad' so you have a solid 3 seconds of continuous flame before enemies run around or towards the next available target outside the flame throwers area of effect/reach and if you go longer than 10 seconds or so without using the flamethrower they start trying to mob you. this creates a feasible in-game strat where everyone centers around the flamer and works with them and also try to stay out of the flamers line of sight making for a delicate balancing act of teamwork where the flamer would time his entire shots in 3 sec burst every 10 secs doing some damage every now and then while the rest of the team uses the delays in enemy attacks to capitalize on dealing damage and protecting the flamer.

[@nobodyspecial9097]

Cartman - "Put a chick in it make it gay." Arrowhead - "Reduce its dps and make it suck."

[@gonkdroidgaming6984]

Ubisoft - "Put a chick in it make it gay, reduce the dps, ads and make it suck"

[@falseblackbear3553]

There are so many strategems that are on unbelievably long cool downs. Any type of support weapon strategem is on at least a five minute cool down. The exosuits are on a 10 minute cool down. The orbital rail cannon, that can only kill one enemy at a time, is on a 3.5 minute cool down.

[@phantomzero906]

“Too reliable” we took the breaker incendiary because nothing else was reliable.

[@Vitaliusdfox]

No, its absurd that i.breaker clean hordes better than stalward. Its not an stalward problem - he is pretty fine with this job. You can even manage with chargers with it (if you have stun grenades). But It is stratgem weapon! And i.breaker is not. And more than that! I.breaker is best anti-air against bugs. Its just too good. And deserved to be nerfed. All this whine is the same as railgun nerf. Devs took "let me easy win" button and children start to cry. Git Gud.

[@stu6841]

This is currently an exaggeration. They didn't touch the dmg of incendiary breaker, and u have more ammo than before. 15*6. 25*4 just do the math.

[@prestondickson1920]

I main the tenderizer but all I see people using is BI

[@viax4480]

@@Vitaliusdfoxpretty soon this game will be dead and you won’t be able to tell anyone to “get good” 😂 devs are just killing it let them atp

[@Vitaliusdfox]

@@viax4480 actually sony kills it. Game still can not be purchased in lot of countries. Devs did a good job.

[@Coconut-219]

- Downwards spiral of bad balancing - Game is still delisted in every country - They still haven't "patched out" the community managers

[@JoseManuel-ku4ry]

One community manager literally pinged the entire HD Discord server just to announce a stream consisting of "deathless" missions (not really, since it was just no reinforcements) attempts on the highest difficulty

[@commandervex1626]

The delisting of the game is something that upsets me, becuase the fans lapped at the boots the second they 'backed off' on the PSN requirements, but the effect ended up being the same.

[@TheKickingPanda]

Pretty sure the ceo had to step down or something as well. Game got nuked

[@HomeStarDragon]

@@TheKickingPanda I think the CEO claimed to have wanted to be able to focus working on the game as being CEO had other responsibilities that took away from it.

[@muhammadapriputrakurniawan2222]

​@@HomeStarDragonthe CEO become a chairman so while the there's someone else as CEO, said CEO who become chairman still have a hand on how the company run

[@Fire_of756]

Let give you a name. Alexus Kravchenko. If that name sounds familiar, he was responsible for balancing in Hello Neighbor. All of us know of the drastic dumpster fire that was. And Arrowhead put him in charge of Helldiver's game design. This guy should not be in charge of anything!

[@ShinobiNeon]

I wouldn't let that guy manage a bowl of jello at a party.

[@Fire_of756]

@@ShinobiNeon he'd say it jiggles too much and put in cement mix

[@cloudymaro]

This needs to be upvoted and investigated.

[@SuddenFool]

And he has dumpstered more games from his resumé last i checked. Every game his been on the balancing team is in the dumpster for shit balancing. Almost like there is a pattern here.

[@Robert-fr9wl]

@@Fire_of756 does anyone even know if he's still in the balancing team?🤔

[@BraydonAttoe-xs4yg]

This is what happens when you balance a game based off spreadsheets instead of player feedback...

[@shul5684]

This is what happens when you listen to 1% of players who are skilled enough to say “it’s too easy” and ignore 99% of players who are just casual players that enjoy the game loop. This doesn’t look like a game that is supposed to be competitive, and looks like that’s what they tried to do.

[@blackliver08]

Apparently getting player feedback is the equivalent of being slapped in the sack.

[@jangofett4547]

@@shul5684 kinda been always like this... devs listen to thos Overly Skilled Dingbats instead of the Vast Majority of players. i can only think of League of Legends where they accomodate changes to LCS players (if i am not mistaken). I really dont care if LCS players have High Win Rates with certain champs with their Quirky way of playing them. and then fuck the rest of us up because we play them "casually".

[@shul5684]

@@jangofett4547 my thought exactly bro.

[@Explam]

Imagine you're a soldier in Desert Storm Everything is going great! The air war successfully cut off a lot of the enemy's ability to retaliate, and now all you need to do is go in and hold territory to win. You get deployed and successfully make your way to Baghdad, winning most of your engagements handily. Then your armorer decides to start progressively cutting the barrel of your M-16 shorter and shorter because you're not relying on an Arleigh Burke for every engagement. The logistics officers decide that you don't need a full combat load, because you're using too much ammo. They say that having less ammo will encourage more precise shot placement, which will lead to better combat results. Your unit's JTAC refuses to call in MOAB strikes against hardened bunkers, because they believe the bomb's shockwave wouldn't travel through the ground into the bunker. When you go to command to complain about the questionable decisions being made, they say that they will look into it and try to remedy things. They decide to commend the armorer and logistics officers for their smart thinking next week. You leave your deployment disillusioned with the people in charge. Before you board the C-17 flight home; a marine, crayons in mouth, runs up to you and yells in your face about how you're just not good enough to be deployed here and that you were using the longer barrel on your M-16 as a crutch for your incompetence.

[@jimijenkins2548]

This made me laugh more than it probably should have.

[@thefool8224]

that sounds like working under the constant gaze of HR department

[@Newt211]

Realism vs simulated is not the same. You can’t adjust the enemy difficulty with a patch. I want my games challenging and when I logged in after not playing for a few months, I was happy. The game finally felt like it did at start, it was challenging again and Helldive wasn’t a walk in the park. You aught to play at your desired difficulty without thinking you have to nerf Helldive or the game because it is too hard. Everyone seems to want to play top tier gameplay but doesn’t want to work for it, they want the last level experience where they all came through unscathed.

[@ROUGEBLOCK]

This was great!

[@susangoaway]

Hm, sounds like liberal city planning.

[@professormanhattan7254]

This reminds me of survivorship bias in a way. When bombers returned from war in WW2 with holes the sensible thing was to armor those areas. However, those were the ones that made it back. The gist of the survivorship bias is that you armor the areas that have no holes, because the ones shot there did not return. I mention this because Arrowhead is treating a high pick rate weapon as armoring the holes in the planes that return. They are not thinking about the bigger picture. Instead of asking why everyone is using this weapon, they should ask, why is everyone not using the other weapons.

[@M-3-L-O-N]

Bruh

[@woaiwodepiku]

I already review them negatively in steam recently. Time to leave this stain permanent!

[@Immopimmo]

A very apt comparison 👏

[@default_liver1641]

i like this analogy a lot, it really fits

[@preservinglight]

based

[@Texmatt21]

Arrowhead birthed a golden goose, and they just couldn’t stop plucking out its shiny golden feathers. Even after the golden goose’s fans kept screaming at Arrowhead to leave the poor naked bird alone, they just kept plucking.

[@TCantwell]

The actual fable of the golden goose points this exact thing out, the owner ends up chopping the goose in half, thinking if he opens it, he will be able to get all the gold eggs out faster, ending up with no goose and no eggs.

[@headboil]

They should just go back to the day 1 version of the game

[@Pentatonic0824]

​@@headboil day 1 was bad too remember waiting to join for 8 hours?

[@headboil]

@Pentatonic0824 ok, so day 1 minus the buggy crap. But I think you get my point. This game was beloved by many right away. Not anymore Unfortunately

[@Pentatonic0824]

@@headboil to be honest i miss the railgun and old breaker still lol i put about 80 hours into the game and quit sometime in april or may. Its not fun to play something that keeps changing for the worse and the sony stuff was definetely the last straw for me and alot of people. They still havent fixed the banned countries idk why people act like we won bc we really didnt until those countries are unblocked.

[@Live4Gunz]

This is the exact reason I stopped playing League like 10 years ago. You find a niche, get good at it and then the devs decide to nerf it into the ground because "balance" and you have to relearn something else. Why get good at anything if it's going to become shit, a month or two down the line?

[@Shadowswolf9666]

Dead by Daylight

[@liondrak]

Worst part is that at the very least League is a multiplayer pvp game so balancing is necessary, but HD is literally pve so why even touch anything thats fun for people

[@mikesemenko4944]

Diablo 4

[@KornzDarkInferno]

It's hilarious to me that they went on record as saying they were going to rethink and revaluate how nerfs and balancing happened- To the point the CEO stepped down to help work it better, only to double down and continue doing this with a vengeance.

[@clintmcbride7830]

With a vengeance? Didn't they nerf one weapon and change fire mechanics? I don't like the nerfs but this is far from the worst balance patch we've seen

[@jacktheripper7935]

@@clintmcbride7830 They literaly nerfed a fan-favorite weapon on its ammo although it wasn't even good in this domain in the first place because munitions go away fast in this game where there are swarm of ennemie. And the change for the fire destroyed another loved weapon which were able to take down chargers (the most annoying type of ennemy because of their tankyness/spawn rate ratio being totally stupid) efficiently to the point of making it useless although it was useless against titans, could set you on fire and was only useful against bugs. And this, only 2 days before the release of a fire themed warbond and after that the devs kinda promised they'd calm down with the nerfs (which was a lie). It is actually the worst because it acts as a "last straw". People are tired of this bs.

[@Ashbringer36]

@@jacktheripper7935 The Breaker INcindiary was so good that you ran a risk of getting kicked if you try using other shotguns and the Flamethrower was killing Behemoths faster and more consistently then the games actual Anti Tank weapons like EATs Quasar etc. And you honestly mean to tell me you think that it’s okay for that to stay. I feel like the average creek crawler when I say this but I don’t care, Get Good!

[@enishiyukishiro6751]

AH: we thought about it, and we thought we were right and gamers were wrong.

[@rooksgate5574]

@@Ashbringer36 Super helpful.

[@IAmNumber4000]

I’ve never seen a released game get stuck in development hell before.

[@Sainare]

Anthem

[@sunnysied713]

Cyberpunk, but it eventually got out after a year or two.

[@user-pm7pw1tl3t]

Where have you been?

[@art-5464]

I didn't use breaker incendiary because it was good, I used it because the rest is bad.

[@stephenpuisis632]

I tried to use the incin breaker because because it was good; I stopped using it because I kept getting flaming buckshot bouncing off everything I shot at and coming back at me in beelines.

[@Robert-fr9wl]

@@art-5464 make every weapon great AGAIN😏

[@art-5464]

@@Robert-fr9wl Yeah I'd vote for that lol

[@Zebrastripegum-m2j]

That's literally how it was with every other OG weapon that they first nerfed, yet people complained they were too OP and they nerfed them, I used these same weapons because everything else was terrible, so now you know how it feels to have your favorite weapons nerfed.

[@art-5464]

@@Zebrastripegum-m2j These people are nuts/tryhards. There have never been actual OP weapons in the game. Just too many bad ones which makes a half decent weapon the peoples weapon of choice. RIP og Breaker. Ammo/mag nerfs really suck in a game where you're overrun by enemies.

[@HonestMan247]

This is shaping up to be a historic example of game mismanagement. They had a blockbuster hit, and they're determined to destroy it through their own hubris.

[@texasfuneral4787]

I'm glad I didn't fall for this trick and bought the game.

[@Jayr8367]

They just needed to release the 3rd faction and Interesting story beats and plot twists and stop. fucking. nerfing. weapons.

[@AlfaKrakenLive]

I like how they say they want us to fight "realistically" with weapons, but we are fighting bugs the size of elephants! What is realistic about our enemies!?

[@lutherheggs451]

I like how the meta cancer trash kids are crying now because they might actually have to shoot things more than once or twice....Its hilarious all the crying because its not superman level weapons, minimal resistance and especially LMFAO at having to reload or call down resupply more often....LMAO its a game that literally has an infinite resupply LMFAO

[@chrismath149]

What is realistic about bots that have unlimited ammo supply ( looking at you, missile devastators ) and flame throwers with a max range of five or ten meters?

[@iclover151]

Not to mention they can't give mags to the Bots or missile limit, same with the hulk shooting flames thru the walls but of course nerf ours

[@XxInfinityxXTimer]

if it's realism those exo skeleton those bugs have wouldn't work

[@shoulderpyro]

They want realism, they shouldve made Arma instead

[@neezduts3242]

I’ve never understood nerfing weapons and having weapon balance being SUCH a high issue in a game that is PVE! It’s PVE. There is literally NO competition.

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

Just download cheats then.

[@Touriquette]

​@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755Just play a better game

[@TobiTheArbiter]

​@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755?

[@velosong3396]

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 well if they didnt ban you for that most would do that now im sure of it

[@ArifRWinandar]

Just because it's PVE doesn't mean balance isn't important. Remember when the Elden Ring DLC was criticized for being too difficult?

[@flaekingr5109]

I'm out, reached my bullshit limit. I'm off to play something fun instead of something increasingly frustrating. Well done devs, you've managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. This helldiver is returning to civilian life.

[@ethanbrown2019]

Hey me too, I haven't played in months cause I got sick of my favorite weapons getting nerfed while all the enemies got buffed. Like I get they don't want everyone using the same weapons but when you design your game around a high difficulty, you're going to get meta gamers. Honestly they really should be more focused on making unused weapons viable not the good weapons unusable... They lack basic knowledge when it comes to game design and it's only becoming more and more evident to people like you and me

[@trapxsenseigaming2220]

Hate to say it but I agree with you bud and still no vehicles like come on you expect us to run every where while being underpowered time to uninstall this game

[@mikejack257]

Game is fun yall just like to cry

[@subadaf5742]

​@@mikejack257 agree

[@trapxsenseigaming2220]

@@mikejack257 that’s ur imo you can cry about others crying still not gonna play that wack ass shit

[@Jellybean_Enthusiast]

Arrowhead: We are seeing an increased use in eagle based stratagems. To compensate, we are removing the rearm stratagem

[@Darkour97]

Yeah sounds like arrowhead.

[@f8soundman126]

Gee I wonder why the incendiary breaker was used in 30% of all terminid missions. Its like if you make an enemy thats weak to fire damage and you give players an option to use a fire based primary theres gonna be alot of players that use the most effective weapon against hordes of that enemy. So why nerf it if its literally being used as it should be???

[@Bao598]

The real point its... Why nerfing it instead of buffing that forgotten weapons that are only there to say "hi look at me im useless..."

[@SuddenFool]

Yeah it's a concept in gaming called " dominant strategy " meaning, if you give players and ultimate way to remove enemies, they're always going to use it. The way to solve that issue is introduce more dominant options. Not nerf the current 1.

[@mentalward718]

No fun allowed

[@horrorfan117]

​@@SuddenFoolExcept then players will look at which is more powerful and gravitate towards that. Until ultimately, we get a primary MG that fires mini nukes. That's called power creep. Don't know about you but the novelty of decimating everything without a challenge gets really boring really fast.

[@petechiarizio1766]

@@SuddenFool yup, the meta

[@eisenhammertech5248]

A story that has nothing to do with Helldivers 2. Little Timmy is bored in his room when Papa comes home with a big box of new toys! Timmy opens the box and finds all sorts of toys to choose from. There's a Playstation 5, an Xbox 360, a Gameboy Color, and a set of playing cards. Timmy tries out all his new toys, but after he gets familiar with them all, he mostly just uses the Playstation 5. It has the newest games that he wants to play, and overall gives him the best experience. So he plays it a lot, and he has a lot of fun. But then Papa comes back into his room with a very upset look on his face. "Timmy!" he shouts, "I got you all these toys, but you're only using this fancy Playstation! Why?" before Timmy can speak, Papa smashes the Playstation with a baseball bat. Timmy begins to cry, but Papa places a hand on Timmy's shoulder. "Listen Timmy, Papa knows what is best for you. Now that the Playstation is gone, you can play with all the other toys I got you! You should be grateful." After Papa leaves, Timmy goes back to playing. After trying out his toys once again, he settles into playing the Xbox 360. It doesn't work nearly as well as the Playstation 5 did, and all of the games on it are kinda old, but it's still pretty fun. But just when Timmy is really starting to appreciate his Xbox, Papa storms into the room once again. "Timmy! What did I tell you about using your toys?" Timmy is shocked. He tries to speak, but Papa places his finger on Timmy's lips. "Listen Timmy, Papa knows better. This is for your own good." Papa then pours a glass of water into the Xbox, destroying it. Timmy is left with just his Gameboy Color and playing cards. It doesn't take him long to figure out that the Gameboy will simply bring him more joy. But not long after, Papa once again angrily snatches the gameboy away from Timmy, telling him that "It's for the sake of your own fun." Timmy takes a long, hard look at his playing cards. But this time, when Papa comes in to tear the cards to shreds, Timmy isn't there. This time, Timmy went outside to play.

[@zigzag9713]

That’s a great analogy

[@tabithal2977]

So true

[@DMFTexTex]

This is so good, it's like you almost didn't realize that it's a happy ending, and Timmy was actually better off when dad ignored all his entitled whining.

[@theoldefirme4500]

@@DMFTexTex It has the flaw that in our world Timmy bought all these toys with his lawnmowing money, and his dad took them anyway.

[@kokorochacarero8003]

I read this in The Stanley's Parable's narrator's voice Meanwhile, Timmy's crayon-eating brother playing solitaire in the corner: haha TImmy, skill issue!

[@ClumsyDrow]

And if anyone watched that stream on steam... They did not know what the hell they were doing they were trying to shoot a tank in the face with the incendiary shotgun they literally just stood there no one knew how to play.

[@hwinterr]

Oh brother 😭😭😭 Thats is so tragic

[@nickvogel425]

They probably thought the incendiary breaker would melt the face off. Cause that what the spread sheet says on their end

[@mthequietbass547]

But Excel told me it was so EASY to kill stuff with this! -Dev #3

[@Sir-Raph]

If I was inclined to play devil's advocate I'd say your concentration takes a hit when having discussions and live-streaming... But judging by their ass backwards logic of nerfing popular weapons rather than buffing those that aren't, ya they're clueless.

[@DustedTaint]

That was hard to watch. Like first day noobs nothing wrong with that unless your the ones making the game ffs

[@terrykrugii5652]

HD2 final update: -All primaries, secondaries, and special weapons do 1 damage, unless the enemy has an armor value of 1 or more (the weakest armor value of any enemy is 13,000,000,000), in which case the gun actually heals the enemy its full health. -all weapons are now muzzle loaded, single shot weapons that take 30s to load. You have a total ammo count of 3 rounds across all weapons, and all ammo is shared between all of your weapons. You're welcome! -enemy speed and damage, across the board, has been buffed by 5000% -the game engine can now support a simultaneous NPC count of 10,000 titans on easy mode. Also, the spawn rate has been increased by 50,000,000% (you will always have 10k titans at all times). -player stamina has been reduced. Player stamina regeneration has been disabled to compensate, so that when you run out of stamina you can never regain it for the rest of the match (even if you die). We hope this encourages players to use their stamina wisely! -player melee now instantly drains stamina, and does 2 damage to all enemies unless the damage is below the enemies' armor threshhold. Also, we have increased the delay between each player melee attack by 4 hours -whenever a Helldiver dies, the total price of all warbonds is charged directly to that players linked bank account. Also, we have increased the base number of lives a team can have (infinite), and removed the ability for helldivers to extract without all helldivers boarding the pelican. Also, you can die while onboard the pelican now. -we have increased strategem cooldown, and added ammo limits to all strategems. We hope this will encourage players to use their strategems more often! -and lastly, we have taken a shit in your morning cheerios, because it adds flavor to them. Eat up, entitled gamer chud

[@SavvySteveChannel]

The deflated tire analogy is a really great way to describe what Arrowhead is doing to us.

[@TheTotalDisorder]

If by great you mean almost totally inaccurate and exaggerated.

[@turtlesrprettycool3379]

@@TheTotalDisorder fr People are over exaggerating the nerfs and have been for months.

[@MAGNETIC175]

@@TheTotalDisorderit’s an analogy doofus 💀

[@SirLucian2st]

It’s them killing off the fanbase that has stuck around even to this day. Sad to see it.

[@welcometoreality437]

​@@SirLucian2stIt was going to happen regardless. You cant seriously believe a PvE game, with a limited multiplayer and updates was going to stay relevant. The only game that has ever achieved that is minecraft, but this one has mods and a wide variety of playstiles, yet its not as popular and was even forgotten for a while.

[@user-rw4xi8sm8h]

Im so glad i got this game when it first came out. That was peak Helldivers.

[@DocMoney_]

Wen Helldivers 2: Classic

[@stormblessed9618]

Legitimately only got worse as time went by. It was my top game of the year and probably more, but nope, fun sucks. You are clearly having too much fun with awesome cinematic moments, and badass fights, so let’s fix that. I don’t even have any desire to play the game, and haven’t felt the desire in a long time.

[@thomasmitchell7815]

Oh you mean the month long server issues, inability to join other players, crashes, and full servers that people were sitting afk on? Yeah that was probably the best version of this game

[@PenitentTanngent]

@@thomasmitchell7815cope he’s right

[@user-rw4xi8sm8h]

@thomasmitchell7815 I play on PS5 and rarely had issues. Every once in a while, my buddies and I weren't able to play, but if we tried again 15 to 30 mins later, we were on. This game was just better early on before they decided to make everyone use what they wanted.

[@SirBlaze75]

If they want us to rely on strats how about a new set of sidemissions that can potentially show up on a map, an eagle 1 airfield that when you liberate gives you a specific eagle with load out to do 5 runs (works even afte destroyer leaves) , an armoury you liberate than can launch a weapons to the team when called, a mech bay, with 4 mechs ready to roll out or be called out to a location.

[@dekeaustin]

Those are all great ideas but (Arrowhead) This is my game and if we continue to nerf weapons the player base will grow 🤔? IDK man, I really don't understand WTF they are thinking 🤔

[@craig9365]

​If you think those were actually that big of nerfs then sorry but you just have a skill issue. But he did say good ideas.​@@dekeaustin

[@HansKlopek]

You're too smart for this game.

[@crackdog3523]

the thing is the game will eventually get there. Well get better weapons, more strats, more tools, yadda yadda. In like 1 years time i know the game will be at a better spot with more content. I.E. the leaked reinforcement units and weapon upgrades / customization. Like well get there but theyre just destroying their reputation at the current time.

[@art_7151]

Armory is a great idea. Think more secondary objectives that can provide counters to specific problems is a good idea. Armory can bail you out if the team is deficient on a weapon type for example.

[@CrowMercury]

I really don’t understand how tone deaf the developers have become. They created a game with balancing 10 levels of difficulty but then added a prograssion system that forces you to go to the hardest difficulties to fully upgrade, so of course this discourages casual players. Then their answer to any meta is a nerf. Stop pretending we are suppose to have a variety of weapons. A gun is used 30% (not even the majority, ffs) of all terminid missions? It’s because the game is tough and requires you to arm yourself well. That’s the point of learning all those stats and abilities of guns, figure out that X works on this enemy and Y on that. They had a Goty in their hands and are doing everything in their power to kill it with fire.

[@bananasunday2845]

Tone deaf is actually generous, more like blind and outright deaf. Layer that on top of the lack of any play testing, QC and general lack of actual game time on higher difficulties then relying on spreadsheets to make decisions is a death sentence. At this point the majority of what they’re doing is self sabotage

[@chrunkel]

“How to fuck up something that was too good to be true” Arrowhead: Hold my Nerf gun

[@MegaJackolope]

Constant patching to move the goalpost for players to something new has been ruining live-service games for a long time. Just look at how fun overwatch was until none of the original team was really working on it anymore and the balance went out the window around the introduction of healers like Moira and Brigitte pissing out heals and DPS with minimal effort or skill. The nerfing of Pharrah, Genji, Hanzo, Junkrat, Widowmaker, etc.

[@cobtyrannon2479]

In Pen and Paper RPGs there is something called: "The rule of cool" I think we all agree that this should be the leading factor to any PVE Coop.

[@RagdollWraith]

wonderful analogy. I love this

[@markfreeman4727]

Fun is not allowed in modern gaming, anything that players are enjoying must be removed or reworked!! rainbow six siege is also a good example of this

[@foxbomber5]

This is why I still love Deep Rock Galactic. They definitely follow the Rule of Cool.

[@Trooper10231]

Warframe literally LIVES on RULE OF COOL. Its over ten years old now, and still going strong. At this rate, Hell Divers 2 will be shrunk to a tiny player base of probably less than 1000 by March of 2025.

[@Sorain1]

The contrast between Launch day Helldivers 2 and EDF was 'The former is trying to be gounded enough.' and now it's 'The former is scared of being remotely as cool as the latter.'

[@Darthvegeta8000]

A studio that excells at turning an easy win into arrogant defeat every time. Instead of having people have fun they want it to become sweaty all the time 24/7. A bold long term strategy...

[@crackdog3523]

Its propped up by the bootlickers man. These folks whos sole worth comes from being good at a video game. There will always be people who can beat the hardest video game with lvl 1 equipment, so these "well i can solo helldive with only a pistol" arguments are just annoying as hell.

[@charlesb8]

Have you watched a sweaty tryhard? Looks like a chicken with its head cut off.😂 lots of mountain dew with those dudes.

[@0bsidianas]

I am tired from all the work, I have no wish to tryhard when I am chilling. So this is deal breaker for me, I am tired of this game. Anyone hearing this will instantly tell me to leave this game. But devs thinks differently, how thats .... and just why?...

[@SuddenFool]

@@charlesb8 They spend 90% of the time not fighting and just running away because it's the most effective tactic. Trigger a bug breach and run like forest the other way while the game is spawning in enemies.

[@BouncingTribbles]

We'll see how it works out for them Cotton

[@Mr.Spongecake]

14:21 "The game itself is clearly not based in reality, I mean we can continually respawn after dying." This is actually kinda explained by a new, faceless Helldiver being sent in as a replacement. If you have random voice-sets selected in options then it will randomly select one from the ones available implying that this is a new, impressionable soldier that is sent in because the last one is dead. It's one reason that always come in aboard a dropping hellpod.

[@biohazardjonny]

I always thought they were clones...

[@bugtastic6631]

"You need to rely on strategems like support weapons" MY FLAMETHROWER SUPPORT WEAPON SPRAYS FANTA NOW

[@TheRohBird1]

I fear for the HMG now...

[@M-3-L-O-N]

​​@@TheRohBird1Yeap, i tried and it seems like the only decent spray weapon. They nerf stuff thatll force us to rely on spesific stuff in the same way. Self defeating endevor really.

[@FF009A]

Tbh that's both hilarious and delicious sounding

[@palehorseriderx]

I laughed way too hard at this

[@_ghostly_]

Didn't it always? Last time I played was the month it launched

[@SlurryMadA]

Nerfing non broken weapons in a PVE game, what am I looking at

[@byronmoore5273]

We to ask the players for feed back. Stop nerfing weapons. Ok we are listening. Will nerf the best weapons. Oh a mistake was made somehow miscommunication we nerged some weapons. We need player feed back... They are trolls.

[@erikbell1723]

They could send surveys out on the super destroyer to find out why some guns aren’t getting used if they really wanted to find out why

[@performa9523]

That would be logical, productive, and easy. AH isn't interested in those things it seems.

[@QuesoDaddee]

Apparently they had a live stream with some of the devs playing and I heard it was embarrassing the way they were playing, like they didn't even know their own game

[@torangyrtheviking7986]

i think the way weapon buffing and nerfing should be handled is to have a weapon report on the ship so after a match you can say hey this weapon was a sad excuse for a gun and as the reports build up they can see what guns need a buff and what guns could use a nerf if any

[@layk]

The warbonds have the same problem every time. New warbond releases: ooh 😃 The weapons are underpowered, and the old ones nerfed again: 😒

[@avalerionbass]

And each one costs money, and farming in game resources to get them without paying takes FOREVER.

[@DiZtheJedi]

"Rely on your stratagems!" the dev shouted angrily, all the while designing a jungle map specifically to make orbital and eagle stratagems less reliable.

[@lukas8708]

Rely on your strategems! Here's your +50% strategem arrival time modification

[@serpuffmcpass5859]

I've said it once and I'll say it again: If this is how they treat balance when the hardest faction isn't even in the game, I have low hopes for the future. We're going to be fighting the illuminate with actual nerf guns... I didn't know it was possible to bleed the fun from the future of your game...

[@Tristan_Shuler]

At this point, who knows if we’ll ever fight the Illuminate.

[@FazeParticles]

The developers are highly insecure about power creep when fun should take precedence over both creep and balancing. After the fun is there you can tweak around the edges. Flamethrower needs a buff to its range. It’s a stratagem not a primary weapon.

[@Tristan_Shuler]

@@FazeParticles and the nerf goes against their own preaching about how stratagems are the way to go. And then they nerf a stratagem 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@hitandruncommentor]

That's been my fears for a while. Just how exactly are we supposed to deal with opponents that zoom about and armored when they keep making ammo increasingly limited.

[@hitandruncommentor]

​@FazeParticles yeah power creep for players. They keep boosting enemies.

[@JamesBond-wh3cu]

Its not just the nerfs. The fact that the "new exciting rewards" are just more of the same samples is really bad too. And the fact that there is no "Escalation of Freedom" warbond sucks too. The trailer made it seem like there was gonna be so many updates and surprises, but that was just bs.

[@larsenconditioning6742]

I was 100% thinking there was going to be a free warbond for the dlc, but nahhhh and the rewards i knew that was going to be samples and honestly samples are pretty easy to get.

[@chugachuga9242]

⁠​⁠@@larsenconditioning6742Well it’s not a dlc, it’s an update and they almost immediately announced a new war bond after the announcement of the update. Expecting two warbonds within days of each other just seems like unrealistic expectations.

[@alekjanowski9847]

@@larsenconditioning6742 Yeah - and the warbond announcement made me feel really heated up since I am a real life fire-enjoyer, thus getting c**ked like that got me a little bit... ANNOYED...

[@larsenconditioning6742]

@@chugachuga9242 They said surprises aka a new warbond like the one we got with the game, that is to be expected not this BS.

[@larsenconditioning6742]

@@alekjanowski9847 Yea that warbond is cooked now no pun intended, im not far off from just deleting the game honestly

[@skinfluithero4885]

We don’t want the primary weapons to all suck equally. We want them to all be viable is some way, you don’t get that by nerfing the shit that works

[@potato0fdoom267]

Exactly. Since it’s a pve only game, stopping nerfing the good weapons, start buffing the underperforming weapons so people will want to use those other weapons.

[@craig9365]

Imagine thinking these nerfs actually were nerfs and weren't just you hiding a skill issue behind the game not working as intended. Imagine actually having to aim the flamethrower a little bit. How terrible. Skill issue spotted.

[@LaserTractor]

@@craig9365you really think you are smart, right?

[@butter1339]

​@@craig9365 terrible take calling it a skill issue

[@legendaerycraft2226]

@@craig9365 games should be fun, not "skill". Helldivers is not a game like war thunder.

[@EXRazeBurn]

​Wow that's pathetic. No counter argument, no valid evidence to justify ANY of your position. No, just a "git gud" bitchfest that a 5 year old could make. Why don't you get out of the comments until your balls drop and you can discuss things like a man.@@craig9365

[@goodhunter9791]

The game I felt had hit a sweet spot of being fun to play just a few days ago. Level 9 was still doable with nothin' but a machine gun strat, a couple eagle-1 strikes, a rail cannon, and a dream. Now it's just miserable. Our 'good' gear is nerfed, our enemies are tougher, faster, and deadlier than ever... The enviormental effects are more detrimental than ever (Just killing a spore spewers is a real chore now and takes one or two shots with a Recoiless because fuck you I guess)... Can't see shit most of the time because they got fog clouds on the backs of chargers now... Getting insta killed by tentacles... Getting shat on by bile titans and bile spitters with wonky-ass spit hitboxees (that also slow you down and burn you because fuck you I guess)... Everything under the sun slowing you down or chopping your health in half with one swipe (because fuck you I guess)... And this is just the fuckin bugs. ... I haven't even fought the bots yet but I'm sure that's no more fun than before. I'm sure a mini-gunner is still gonna cut my ass in half while he's shooting through a rock or a wall, an a hulk is gonna set me on fire through a wall as well. Or a Strider is gonna turn me into swiss cheese in T-minus 0.002 seconds with their dual miniguns. Or a turret or tank will oneshot me through a haze of smoke that I won't see coming bCAUSE I CAN'T SEE FUCKING SHIT!! GIVE US THERMAL VISON FOR GOD'S SAKE!! GIVE US HELMET PERKS!! *Sigh* Can't we just have nice things Arrowhead? Is that too much to ask? You give us the best coop game ever made, only to slowly strip away all the fun? Why?

[@aquamayne8168]

Funny, sad, and true. lol 😢

[@wolfumz]

I'm with you, man.

[@Peglegkickboxer]

Bots are just totally unfun these days.

[@M-3-L-O-N]

Bots are a bit easier but yes, they still have all the pluses of shooting through rock and not giving a damn, while we are constantly running away from hordes trying get to a objective. Basically you have to split up the team so enemy density is spread out. And most of us like playing as a team as wondering off feels like a cold move.

[@csaysgrub]

Bots are still about as fun imo. There definitely is more ragdolling from all the new rockets and the repeating strider gun, but the new bases are fun to fight and the new walker design has a cool dynamic. Also the buffed walking barrage feels amazing to use, it's so much more consistent. 120mm buff is also nice but it's personally still not a top pick for me.

[@sandwichboy1268]

Worth noting that "one shotgun being used in 30% of all terminid SESSIONS" doesn't mean that 30% of players are using the one shotgun. It means that 30% of sessions have one or more breaker incendiary user, and 70% have zero. The real usage could be as low as 7.5%, but they worded it like this to make it seem like it was way more popular than it really was.

[@znail4675]

There aren't really that many good weapons to pick from making the usage numbers about what expected for the most popular non-broken weapon. The problem here isn't even the nerf itself as there are still other weapons that works, but that they got a balance team addicted to nerfing weapons. This wont go away until they fire that team as they have proven unable to learn from mistakes.

[@default_liver1641]

yeah i know in my group no one usually brings iShotgun to bugs. we prefer the feel of the other weapons and we all take different things. so we dont need to be “convinced” to vary our loadouts. what we *DO* want is those loadouts to be brought up and made better. i dont use the iShotty but i *DO NOT WANT* players that do to have their preferred weapon brought to its knees. any players i see that dont use the ishotgun and are happy the “meta” got nerfed are total Ls and i dont want them in my game.

[@violet_paladin]

even if it was 100%, instead of asking why players like that gun so much and why other guns arent as popular-they just break it to make it less appealing. its like going to a restaurant and every meal is literal feces with broken glass aside from the salad-and getting mad people order the salad-so they limit the portion size of the salad. like what is your plan? im not going to eat the shit plate, i will just stop coming to your restaurant

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

False. Most sessions had most people using it.

[@znail4675]

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 So you think the devs made themself look intentionally bad by lying?

[@StripesChaosGremlin]

The thing to me is, if irl we had to deal with a horde of man sized bugs, excluding unusual circumstances like the bugs has carapace that is flame retardant or were highly combustible. We would probably use fire or chemical as they could probably make bugs faster than we could make bullets.

[@Phoenixstorm36]

Watched the video > updated the game > unlocked new warbon > spend some medals >jioned a dive > picked loadout > Ready > hellpod launch > crash to desktop > continue to watch this video > hearing about stability issue > playing other games

[@InfallibleDogbert]

This became the biggest driver for me to stop playing. You'd be 80% through a level 7/8 mission stacked with samples and crash. Rejoin not working, friends list not working. Alright I'll do something else...

[@vitaliyred622]

Sorry, after thier dev stream I am convinced these idiot devs do not play thier own game. Breaker was THE ONLY way to deal with 20-30 grass hopper bugs, they jump and spread so much making Inc breaker perfect for killing them. Helldive 9 spawns tons of these jumping bastards, even back then 6-8 mags was not enough, now it is dead!

[@rickhunter6513]

Exactly, Helldive was a must for the ridiculous amount of shriekers/hunter assholes. I run with the Stalwart as well when I take the Eruptor but BI was great for certain situations/loadouts

[@hiddenleafguy]

That shotgun was trash Use a better weapon.

[@mortiferozgaming2281]

Play with resuply backpack, your never gonna run out of anything, the shotgun is not really dead lol

[@discountcobracommander2494]

​@@mortiferozgaming2281I never used it but I would understand why people are upset also let's be honest a supply pack for the breaker is a waste lol

[@saswitchcraft7881]

​@@mortiferozgaming2281"ammo is on the ground everywhere" "Use supply pack" "You still have enough ammo to last until your next resupply drop" Then what in the fuck was the point of the nerf if it changed nothing???

[@cody4243]

I said it right in the beginning. Once they ruined the Railgun, I told all my friends this game was going to self-destruct. I’d log on with my buddies, shoot my railgun and I loved the game. When they removed my fun with that weapon and forced me to use the breaker shotgun… 20 days later that got nerfed. Then I switched to other weapons to barely survive difficulty 8 and then more nerfs…. It’s just sad they have to remove our fun instead of giving us new options. RIP

[@violet_paladin]

100%. people who were enthralled by the game constantly would spout the nonsense of "well i dont want the game to be too easy" ok, nobody is forcing you to pick the good weapons. you could always use the shitty starting gear if you feel the good guns are "too op" but the rest of us mortals who cant elbow drop a bile titan would like to use GUNS.

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

Nobody forced you to use the breaker.

[@cody4243]

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 no one physically forced us to use it but it was the best go-to weapon to add clear while your stratagems are on cooldown. Then add the planet debuff where your stratagems are slower and fewer in numbers… you almost didn’t have another option. Using other weapons would be awesome! But they felt underwhelming. Even your “armor piecing” burst rifles weren’t penetrating medium armor… they were not functioning as described. We play these types of games to get fun out of them. If you’re having fun blasting chargers with a railgun… let us do that. If you think it’s too overpowered, use something else! The problem was there was nothing available to the player that could substitute that rail gun. I did helldive mode with every weapon and I can promise you that depending on what you rolled with, you were either gonna find it really hard and challenging, or downright impossible.

[@balinthehater8205]

@@violet_paladin The problem with that line of thinking is that if you give people the easy mode guns then people will not struggle anymore and thus overcoming adversity would not exist anymore. That kills a game just as easily as an overly nerfed selection. the railgun nerf was completely justified in my eyes as i went through quite a few matches where me and a friend were kicked because we were not using railguns and the game began to feel even stale more than it was because that was all you would see.

[@CataclysmDM]

I liked the eruptor.. ERUPTOR IS SHIT NOW! I liked the railgun... RAILGUN IS SHIT NOW! I liked the flamethrower FLAMETHROWER SHIT NOW

[@Sharsis8]

My thing has always been if I have the balls to use a close range weapon like the flamethrower against a charger or bile titan to cook them, it should fucking work. Heavy armor be damned, I should be able to turn them into their own personal Brazen Bull using their heavy armor.

[@dtkedtyjrtyj]

Molotov Cocktails were invented to fight tanks. There is nothing unrealistic about cooking heavily armoured foes.

[@jonaswerner8480]

Also flamethrower has a very limited range, so it more then just fair to make it very effective in close range

[@nathanperquin9910]

i have the balls to do something dumb that doesn't work WHy wont it work? it should work because its a stupid thing i shouldnt be doing!. that's your arguement here as for the guy who said molotovs work on tanks... no they dont. they work on the people in the tank, you have to get the molotov INSIDE the tank for it to work

[@AlbinoMothDragon]

​@@nathanperquin9910well-versed in insight, you are not. Wise up, it's supposed to be a fun game, not a tedium simulator

[@dtkedtyjrtyj]

@@nathanperquin9910 Nope, you target the engines and cause them to overheat, turning the tank from a mobile bunker into a an immobile death trap.

[@space.raider.2271]

Across any multiplayer game in history I've never seen a weapon get curbstomped as hard as the flamethrower. Wow.

[@jacktheripper7935]

from bad to good then from bugged to fixed then from very good to absolutely dogsh*t.

[@pj_toasty946]

only matched by the railgun

[@kompatybilijny9348]

@@pj_toasty946 Railgun is still good, it's simply not the obviously best option for every single situation. This is just whining

[@Bongwell420]

First they took my Rail gun took some grenades and made my flamethrower pointless........what next?

[@jacktheripper7935]

@@Bongwell420 The laser dog. (they will, they said it)

[@HardWear-bu1dt]

Imagine this alternative universe: The big update drops on the WEEKEND as does the warbond: -All weapons are BUFFED - Eruptor has its shrapnel back but isn’t as powerful as it was at first release - it’s just fun as shit again! - AR’s finally do some HEFTY nice damage in exchange for slower FR. - We earn a vehicle strat we can use if we complete a huge weekend MO (preferably the tank!!) Huge player base returns and we are all playing all weekend to earn this treat. Make it doable, but tough. - The rewards for super helldive are limited edition passives concocted by the “research team” such as ‘using stim grants invincibility for 5 secs’ etc or the ability to use a fifth strat once during a mission. - The warbond is fun as shit. The flame throwers have different utilities and tiers (doesn’t burn armour, but had longer ranger etc) I can but dream. But fear they are at this point, doomed.

[@someone4951]

I too dream of this.

[@cloudymaro]

That sounds fun as hell

[@TevinxD]

Yes

[@ProjectFraz]

With the way they are treating this game currently, we will never get a tank. Hell we will never get a good vehicle that isn't made of paper, card board, hopes and dreams.

[@Ashbringer36]

Oh please if the eruptor wasn’t as op you’d still whine

[@donovanphillips6278]

The one thing I noticed is the effective range of a 500kg. It NEEDS to be buffed. I was standing a mere 10-15ft from one and was left completely unscathed.

[@dotmadhack]

The I-Breaker was the last gun that performed reliably under pressure. Tired of hearing people say to use stratagems, like I wasn't before. 99% of a mission you need a reliable small arm because at some point all those stratagems are going to be on cooldown. Well hey, you know what? I don't get paid to play the game, so I won't. If Arrowhead wants to reduce the player count down to 3,000 while the few remaining people say "It's completely normal for half the playerbase to leave every month!" then who am I to hope for change? I wanted Helldivers 2 to be my primary go to entertainment for years to come, I wanted to fight along side my battle brothers, what a shame what a goddamn shame.

[@sarcasm-83]

Exactly. I feel like the Cookout shotgun now performed quite well actually and managed to run with it as my primary, without having to have a stalwart or MG as I have been feeling the need to have pretty much every time. So I guess that's what they will nerf next, because "weapons are supposed to suck, use stratagems".. Why would anyone think reloading constantly during this kind of chaos that compounds all kinds of struggles onto you is fun? I don't wanna have to struggle with my own weapons too, while there are so many things that can render me non-operational in the game already with ragdolls, slowdowns, poor visibility... I have no idea why they are insisting everything has to be a huge struggle and even if I manage to win operations, I still get annoyed during them, so it's not that I need more powerful things to carry me through, just that the weapons would be reliable and satisfying and FUN. I'm a few constantly annoying ragdoll and acid slowdown low visibility hunter and shrieker hells while being played like a drum by tentacles away from hitting uninstall and I'm the kind of person who kept on rooting for them all the way up until I got disheartened by thinking they'll make primaries more viable, but instead there was absolutely nothing but 2 nerfs, making their direction completely clear. I'll look elsewhere for the kind of fun I've kept hoping from this otherwise such a fantastic base for a game.

[@jmo8391]

Don’t worry. Space Marine 2 is coming in September. Every weapon is overpowered and there is co-op and pvp

[@Lord_Shadowfang]

Helldivers 2 and Rainbow Six: Extraction have been my 2 primary co-op games as of late. I've only got a few achievements left to get before I can retire from the game. Lol. At least in the first Helldivers, it was possible to eliminate scouts before they set off alarms. You'd use your weapons to eliminate the scouts and the stratagems to deal with the enemy reinforcements. AND in Helldivers 1, they actually had tanks. Where is my 4-man APC? I want to be a tank operator again! Where's the repair gun? I want to be able to repair vehicles and heal allies ON DEMAND! But whatever. I'll play it again someday. Just gonna keep killing aliens on Extraction for now. Devs abandoned that game, but it looks like it's going to survive longer than Helldivers 2 at this rate! XD

[@violet_paladin]

it really is wild how people glaze the devs as the ship sinks deeper and deeper. i think its people just wanting to be elitists becuase theres no way to prove their ability at the game, so they just pretend they play on 7-10 and everyone else is just bad-when in reality a lot of these people have never left 5

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

That thing deserved a nerf.

[@echocongo]

Arrowhead literally treats nerfing weapons like a fentanyl addiction, going back to the thing that could or might kill you :P

[@AmalgamaniacGaming]

The ones saying it’s “too easy” are probably the same players who love beating Elden Ring with no armor on 🤣 they’re the vast minority of players that are telling everyone else to just “git good”… Unfortunately, that’s the camp the Arrowhead devs are listening to the most

[@dekeaustin]

It certainly seems that way....

[@GamerSingularity]

Seems like you got it all figured out. Good for you 👍

[@Paco_0_1]

Are you playing the highest difficulty and complaining the game is too hard?

[@snoopingas7554]

Play lower difficulties if you are struggling lmao

[@Unsp0ken99]

@@AmalgamaniacGaming lvl 10 is genuinely easy with a squad of 4 randoms. You just have to actually learn how to play better as you play. If you play the exact same way every single time that's on you.

[@NOC_2]

Listen, I took a break from the game for a few months. I came back to find my favorite weapon was nerfed. Big sad. I couldnt try the new weapons because i had no super credits. Bigger sad. Then my game crashed. You think im booting this shit back up?

[@bananasunday2845]

Make that plus 1 brother. Almost the exact situation except I had a ton of medals, SC and samples due to being capped out. But game crashed when I wanted to try them. Guess it was not meant to be, back to DRG it is

[@02167631]

Add Super Broodmothers Add Impaler (can one-shot you by surprise without any counterplay (now the worst enemy to face, taking a top spot over stalkers, and behemoth chargers (btw because chargers that can tank 6 quaser shots, or be 2 feet away from the center of a 500kg and still walk out like nothing happened are in style these days .) Add supersized outpost (Strongholds and Fortresses) While we are adding these, let's keep bug spawn rates the same since we like to pile on. Buff Bile Titan reaction time, and speed. Increase bug damage (but not tell anyone) Yeah. Arrowhead. What ARE you thinking?!

[@brownsparlour9813]

This game started off so well too 😢

[@xlayer5]

Yep. It's unfortunate.

[@craig9365]

Please quit. I'm tired of whiny babies who join my games die multiple times and just quit.

[@kurtiskaye888]

@@craig9365keep sucking the devs off 😂

[@Dankeszteri]

​@@craig9365 not good enough to solo? no friends?

[@nahfr.]

​@@Dankeszteri no way bro is on his meat while likeing his own comment

[@Steelwolf579]

As a former player of helldivers 2, an analogy keeps coming to mind. Arrowhead Studio found themselves a gold mine but instead of reaping the benefits, they decided to seal up the mineshaft and said, "Well everybody, let's go find another mineshaft, there's to much gold in there." It's a shame what happened with HD2. It was almost perfect but now look what they did to our boy.

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

No they just pandered to the people who intend to stick around and not casuals who'll up and leave once they get what they want but the next Fortnite came around.

[@jimijenkins2548]

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 Mate, I did intend to stick around before this. I think either you or Arrowhead needs to learn the definition of pandering. For the record, I am not a breaker player, and prefer the Spear to the flamethrower. I just hate that flamer players are useless in difficulty 7+ now.

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

@@jimijenkins2548 If the game is too hard for you then lower the difficulty. Don't demand my fun is taken away from me because you're too egotistical to play lower. After coming back from a two month break from the game I can casually clear difficulty ten blasting music in my ear while holding a conversation with my friends while playing with complete randoms who run off in different directions and show no capacity for teamwork whatsoever. I use the most off meta picks you could think of and I always have. So imagine how damn easy it is when I'm playing with my friends who aren't utter r"tards and I'm taking it semi seriously. Too hard? Lower the difficulty. So there's your solution, but how do I get what I want? Where's my difficulty 11 and 12? Should I limit myself to playing with handguns only to make it difficult for myself? Breaker incendiary absolutely deserved a nerf it was ridiculous. In fact it wasn't nerfed the way it should have been nerf. It shouldn't be igniting an entire patrol from 100m out by just firing a couple of times in their general direction. If I have that, what do I even need team mates for? I can just do it all by myself. Don't kill this game the way PUBG was killed.

[@kickingitwithtimmyb]

​@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 the game is looking real dead. No pandering for their tiny player count will save this rinse and repeat nightmare of game haha.

[@SlyElliot]

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755Insane cope. Not everyone is unemployed gaming full time in their bedroom bro. God forbid the PvE game isn’t treated like an esport by chronically online gamers

[@ViviconMinecraft]

I love how after a few days of the bond release and the changes that came with it we currently have bots making a strait line to super earth and helldivers watching it going "good.. let it die" no one cares when you make the game miserable to play.

[@LtBuzzLitebeer]

@@ViviconMinecraft 👍

[@BigDaveActual]

it's just so upsetting that arrowhead feels the need to make the experience less fun. God forbid we have a strong weapon or two to take on HOARDS of enemies. I just don't see the logic in nerfing weapons with an update that literally added a higher difficulty. The community has also been VERY vocal about not wanting nerfs and yet here we are again. It's just a bummer, man.

[@Simplefng]

If one gun is too meta. Buff the others to fit the niche. Frag shells for shot guns, custom rounds for ARs ( the explosive Liberator was so good! Like a full auto dominator) So much content and ideas from the player base.

[@xlayer5]

​@@SimplefngI still want my may 6th cape but it's clearly never happening

[@tylerulfmann4586]

@@Simplefngexactly If a weapon is too strong either buff something else or make it more dangerous and increase the chance of friendly fire I’m tired of these lame nerfs and new difficulty scaling it’s lame I like weapons like the auto cannon but it feels like most of my shots bounce like a basketball game so I swap to meta equipment because every other option is just bad

[@BigDaveActual]

@abyssusthechicken huh?

[@Ajmes]

I used to play regularly on Helldive, and still win missions even with often incompetent allies, but it just wasn't fun. You can't even really fight anything effectively. Usually the best strategy is using some kind of stealth armor and bringing the grenade launcher and just running away and completing objectives while everyone else draws fire and dies like idiots. Games like this need variety or people will leave. It's not fun to search out the only viable strategy and milk it endlessly, especially once you unlock everything(especially when all you're unlocking after that is paid content or weapons that do nothing).

[@thewall915]

Can we normalize not talking about the fact that hulks can shoot flames through walls and focus on the fact that hunters can and always will lunge at you through walls?

[@justsomerando6551]

Its a wild stance to look at the praise your gane is recieving for being fun and think to yourself "well, i dont want you having too much fun"

[@CapitalTeeth]

The reason why you would take the flamethrower is because it could vaporize chargers if you aim it at the leg. Paired with stun grenades this made for a powerful combo. Now that it's changed, you just essentially get a weapon that's more of a liability than anything. It sets the ground (and thus can set you and your team) on fire, and the machine guns are better at killing smaller bugs than the flamethrower is. So why would you use it now?

[@gigahertz7352]

at this point they should just delete the flamethrower and inc shotgun so that their new Warbond would sell really well

[@elijahreed7839]

​@@gigahertz7352rs cause we know that's why these nerfs happened anyways 🤦🤦

[@SuddenFool]

@@elijahreed7839 They're clearly nerfing shit without understanding why it's good. While dipsticks like you defend it blindly. Stop asking "what's meta" and instead ask "WHY is it meta"

[@empdisaster10]

While if they didnt want a combo like that to exist i'd understand, but they specifically said the want more strategy to be used and pulling combos like that which you kinda have to think about for a second of "Oh man theres a charger running at me, i gotta stun it before it hits be then blast it with my flamethrower i brought specifically for this reason" is literally strategy. The flamethrower was good but it had downsides in range and positioning. If you positioned yourself poorly you could deal more damage to your team than to the enemy and if you tried to solve that by moving away from your team well now you're a lone helldiver with a short range weapon that cant deal with giant enemies like biletitans. The flamethrower did have its draw backs and with a new fire based warbond they're literally making it so that their warbonds are just not gonna get bought because no one is going to want to spend supercredits on a bad warbond that was nerfed before anyone could try it out and probably will get nerfed once people do try it out

[@masterqueef1172]

​@gigahertz7352 Does anyone even buy the Warbonds? I've bought all the Warbonds so far with just ingame SC. Sitting on 1200 for the freedoms flame rn. Honestly, wondering what the ROI is on each Warbond when its so easy to get SC ingame.

[@AvoCattoTV]

Basically, Arrowhead's balancing team is too stupid to do their job without reliance on metrics. Three devs in the company play on 8 or 9. The balance team can't clear 6. Why were 30% of people using the breaker incendiary? Because its one of the only weapons that can deal damage to the weak points of armored enemies. Only 7 base weapons in the game can penetrate armor. Two are single-shot sniper rifles. One is a single-shot shotgun. One is a plasma grenade launcher. One is a slow-firing assault rifle that does less damage than the starter rifle. One is an explosive crossbow. One is a pistol. The only real choices available is to throw a grenade, or spam an automatic shotgun that catches an enemy on fire if it hits a light armor area. It's also VERY hard to see enemies with all of the environmental nonsense. You can see them when they're on fire. "Rely on strategems" sounds good on paper, but ignores that most strategems only work on small enemies. The last patch would spawn 8-9 chargers, 3 bile titans, and a swarm of pouncers per bug breach. A 500kg or cluster bomb is a good answer when they aren't dropped inside of a rock OR TRAPPED IN THE BRANCHES OF TREES ABOVE YOU.

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

Are you joking? If you can't clear six, then you might be a game journo.

[@GaiusMarcus]

Yesterday's live stream proved that their devs don't actually play their game much. The number of times I saw someone fail to dive to put out flame damage was ridiculous

[@ImNotMack]

Those were people from PlayStation not arrowhead they said that in the beginning…

[@jacktheripper7935]

@@ImNotMack Putting people who don't know how to play your game when players are tired of your balancing bs is an absolute stupid move in the first place. It's like giving out the stick that'll beat you.

[@Jay2480]

Tbh I've seen lvl 50s not know about flamediving

[@zhamirdiaz3196]

So if I come back, I'm alot weaker and enemies are stronger. Sounds like a bad time to me tbh!

[@Wolf37f]

You can read that 30% headline in the opposite too. Players use weapon other than the incendiary breaker 70% percent of the time. When phrased that way it drastically changes the perspective.

[@wkzs]

Nah, you're too smart, I'm reporting to the democracy officer

[@Ashbringer36]

Getting bitched at for running any other shotgun is not fun for those who actually like specific weapons not just the Meta

[@Wolf37f]

@@Ashbringer36 I never run shotguns. Sickle or liberators for me. Also, I've never had anyone in any pickup missions complain about my load out.

[@Ashbringer36]

@@Wolf37f sickle is on the a list and the rifles are all fairly close to each other. Try running any gun that gets directly compared to the one incendiary like the punisher then say the same

[@Wolf37f]

@@Ashbringer36 can you be more specific on what guns are compared to the incendiary breaker?

[@jasonseger2524]

Arrowhead talks about wanting to avoid meta weapons but THEY are the ones causing the meta weapons. Players find weapons that work and are FORCED to use by Arrowhead and then Arrowhead nerfs that weapon. Again FORCING the players to go find another weapon that works. Buff everything and give players CHOICES. Love the flat tire comparison by the way.

[@shanephillips6096]

Nerfing ammo economy is a terrible idea on a game that punishes you for reloading early. I'll never get the idea that too many people use this gun and are having fun, lets ruin it! Making the game harder, and doing nerfs at the same time is just incompetence. WTF are they doing?

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

If nerfing a single gun makes the game harder, then that gun was too damn good.

[@ChristianMeyer]

This game shits ammo at you at every corner. There's really no reason to be upset about this...

[@Sedona_FD3S]

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755says who? Top 1% neck beards

[@Skyblade12]

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755Or every other gun was too bad. How can you shills constantly miss this obvious solution?

[@RipRLeeErmey]

​​@@ChristianMeyer This still doesn't excuse the fact that the game punishes you for reloading early, and they're taking away what little precious ammunition you have left. If they included a feature to pick up dropped mags and reuse the ammo in them, then maybe I could see this being an excuse.

[@charlieOG90]

This game is at a breaking point between casual gamers and hardcore... The average gamer wants a very easy play mode with easy TTK and super buff weapons. It is a breath of fresh air from the sweaty warzone games or other shooter games we play with friends. This game should be more "arcade-like" with ragdoll effects and laughter. Not hardcore expert modes where you sweat to complete missions. I stopped playing this game due to repetitive missions as well as running for my life sweating my %#$% off trying to res teammates that were down.

[@InfallibleDogbert]

The dumb thing about it is, with level 9 and 10 you should be able to have both. You can have sweat and fun, they could just slap on global modifiers like stratagem cool down, ion storms, extra required objectives, shorten mission times, add global damage over time or poison or flooding etc. But instead they nerf guns and increase the spawn rate and ttk to unfun amounts. This is the sort of dumb crap that Destiny 2 would do that led to entire raid load out requirements of specific weapons and having to farm instances 1000 times to get pve rolled weapons. I don't want a job after my job.

[@davidweaver4436]

"Use your strategems!" *Makes high level missions constantly restrict your stratagems* "Incendiary breaker is used too much!" Well yeah, it was the one of the most reliable tools for the job. But it also basically required you to just blow all your ammo into the horde. It wasn't exactly efficient, and they exacerbated that. Instead of incentivizing diversity, they're actually funneling even more people toward the increasingly ubiquitous supply pack. If they ever nerf THAT, the backlash is going to be apocalyptic. We already have to manage our mags since we waste anything left over when we reload. Just give us a decent number of mags so we can more freely use other backpacks. We're already swamped with enemies and elites at high difficulty. We're gonna burn through the ammo even with a higher mag count. I can almost guarantee the nerf isn't even gonna change the percentage that much since people will just compensate with the supply pack. It's because other weapons are STILL languishing with poorly thought out stats. They really need to come at this whole mess from a new angle already...

[@dztrict1000]

high level missions don't restrict stratagems no more tho

[@saswitchcraft7881]

​@@dztrict1000I think he meant the sheer ridiculous number of enemies, and the broken spawn table that leads to dealing with 1 bile charger, 2 chargers, 3 behemoths, 1 to 2 impalers, and 1 to 2 bile titans... I think he was saying that higher difficulties demand we deal with that obnoxious and tedious level of threat. This leaves far fewer viable options to choose for our load outs compared to lower difficulties where you can meme around and virtually bring whatever you want

[@dztrict1000]

@@saswitchcraft7881 oh i see what you mean now, but isn't that just a byproduct of higher difficulties in general? like not only specific to helldivers but almost every game i feel would lock you into certain strategies when playing at the hardest difficulty. But yeah i get what the op meant, a few days ago i was playing helldive on bugs and it was a cake walk, i remember going out of my way to clear every poi in the mission, but now after the update i've been struggling a lot tbh

[@handimanjay6642]

Seems very anti democratic to set major orders with high numbers on a Tuesday then nerfing a weapon preferred by 30% and reducing the amount of carried ammo. Today’s Funtime: stratagems call in time increased by 50%. 🤨

[@AmalgamaniacGaming]

97% of the time that I’m playing Helldivers 2, I’m playing with randos in Quick Play. There’s no “coordination” on who brings what and what each person is focusing on while on world. Thor, once again, hit the nail on the head with the meta part. If things aren’t being used equally, you don’t NERF to make every gun equally bad; you BUFF guns to make them equally useful

[@MobBarley-z3k]

Word of advice, if a company fucks you once, they're almost bound by contract to do it again.

[@Morfy-je4dz]

CEO : September the Illuminatate will arrive. Players : too busy crushing The Tyranids with my Chain Sword bro👌😉

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

Looking forward to Space Marine 2. I would refund HD2 if I still could.

[@PointK12Gaming]

True! I've been thinking that all along... Space Marine 2 is going to be intense. Just the variety of weapons they're going to offer and the massive customization for weapons and armor... Helldivers can't compete with its ridiculous, ugly primary weapons and mostly generic-looking armor.

[@Morfy-je4dz]

Luke Stevens YT has early test play footage and pre game release review

[@TheCarter_Show]

Yep think that’s my next game and I’m not even a 40,000k fan….i think I’m about to depart helldivers at this point

[@JC-eo2qe]

I”m not excited. Games Workshop spent the last couple of months gaslighting its own fanbase, sold its soul to Amazon, and hired a straight-white-male hating trans person to write the story for Space Marine 2. I’m not throwing a dime at GW until I know they’ll stop screwing the fanbase over to appease the woke.

[@Ghost_of_93]

all the guns feel like im shooting a toy pistol at a raging house fire. edit: i came back to the game for like two days and stopped playing again.

[@firehot427]

Imagine spawning in 20 chargers over the course of 5 mins. You don’t have enough stratagems to deal with that. The mines either

[@TheLongWind]

Why would you stay and fight 20 chargers? You are outmanned and outgunned, that is literally the premise of the game.

[@brettroark7331]

@@TheLongWindBecause you have to. Try running away from something that is faster than you

[@garethmarshall7724]

@@brettroark7331try getting better!

[@garethmarshall7724]

Try getting better? My squad and I can deal with it np, but you have to communicate and plan properly with your squad. People like to play solo as part of a squad and that won’t work. People aren’t playing the game properly, or according to the way the Devs envisage the game be played - as a team. I am a mediocre player at best too, but I contribute well as a support player and communicate this with my team. A mic is a must for communication, yet half the players or more don’t communicate at all during the game which is why so many people are struggling. Get a good squad that communicates and strategises and the game becomes a lot more fun.

[@tyronehess1097]

@@brettroark7331use your strategems to cover your escape not just kill enemies. The orbital barrages are fantastic at not allowing enemies through a certain area so you can escape

[@DaChungus69]

I’d say a great example is the quasar cannon. Why does it need a damn near 10 second cooldown? You can fire 2 recoiless rockets and load a 3rd by the time the cooldown for the quasar is ready for the 2nd shot.

[@Talcor]

Glad to see that the studio still has absolutely no idea why anyone does anything in their game and can't comprehend that nerfing the only guns that work isn't balance. This game is such wasted potential, i'm shocked half the update wasn't completely broken on release. edit: nvm the new difficulty was broken, who could have guessed lmfao what a joke.

[@JamesCh.]

Game is just too freaking easy. Even on the new difficulty. I'd nerf weapons even further.

[@twizz2775]

@@JamesCh.lol

[@Cecil97]

they got to show their own gameplay, they need to show their own words in action that stratagems will be enough to deal with all the heavies otherwise the community will not be content with what they say.

[@bbwayne11]

So you want a game that on the highest difficulty....anyone can beat with one gun because it's OP??? Turn the difficulty down bud, there's no cheat codes here, this is Helldiver's.

[@Cecil97]

@bbwayne11 No, but ff16 devs can show their dev perfect parry every attack on a boss fight. It just sets the expectation that if we can do it, so can you. It also shows an understanding of how the game is played, casue currently it looks like the devs dont play their own game.

[@phantomzero906]

@@bbwayne11 tier 7 and up are almost effectively a stealth or run simulator. If it was just “hey you don’t have enough ammo so choose your fights wisely” that’d be fine, but instead it’s a “nothing does enough dmg to clear a hoard before they call for help” thus run the fuck away and hope not to be seen really sucks. The small map extermination mission feel like hell due to this too, use the stratagems and run or die endlessly for 3 minutes till your stratagems are back.

[@kaden-sd6vb]

They *did* show their own gameplay. Difficulty five yet struggling and running out of reinforces Shooting primaries mindlessly at heavy enemies, not knowing how to put themselves out when set on fire, THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO PLAY THEIR OWN GAME

[@LookHereMars]

​@kaden-sd6vb To not even know their own base mechanics of the game that they created was painful to watch.

[@kaden-sd6vb]

They somehow made an incredible game by COMPLETE ACCIDENT and have since been "balancing" it to bring it closer to their moronic vision. I'm done. Im going back to DRG, I know my favorites arent being nerfed there. Thanks for the escalation of bullshit, arrowhead.

[@kaden-sd6vb]

@@nidungr3496 their nerfs are usually reasonable and don't ruin the viability of affected overclocks/items/whatever, and DRG also has the advantage of almost everything being viable/powerful already I haven't checked recent patch notes but I know from previous experience

[@nando6458]

@@nidungr3496what perks are you talking about?

[@Necro_fury]

Yeah how often is DRG balance patched? Always had them back in mind since their devs are always regarded with praise and when i played felt like balance changes maybe happened every 3 months or less

[@kaden-sd6vb]

@@Necro_fury not very often, it's pretty well balanced so they don't need to do much. I can't think of any instances of them nerfing things out of viability, but I can think of several times they buffed things really hard, plasma burster missiles for example. Formerly a terrible overclock, now it's one of gunner's strongest overclocks and crazy fun to use

[@Shadowfalls89]

It’s gotta be something in the water in Sweden. Fatshark does the same thing with Darktide. Constantly. Oh, did you enjoy that weapon, class, or ability? TOO BAD! NO FUN ALLOWED, YOU MUST LOSE. FREQUENTLY. *nerfs beloved ability/weapon/class to the lowest circle of hell while buffing enemies*

[@InquisitorialOperator]

Maaaan I'm so upset about Darktide, had so much potential but I rarely play it atm. Just doesn't feel like there's enough content, still no new classes and all the weapon drops are re skinned already existing weapons. I was not happy about the last update, a fuckin pickaxe for the Ogryn was the last thing I wanted for that class.

[@Shadowfalls89]

@@InquisitorialOperator Yeah and the bolt pistol is utter garbage. I was excited for it too, I was really hoping dual wield. Unfortunately the swedes who run FatShark and Arrowhead (again, it must be something in the water there) listen to the 1% of players who complain that the game is too easy, or that weapons are OP and should be nerfed.. and I'm like.. these are PvE games. If they nerf things enough, they'll only have that 1% of players.

[@InquisitorialOperator]

@Shadowfalls89 Yeah was hoping the bolt Pistol was going to be a bit easier to use than the Bolter but with the same kinda damage output. Did not work out that way 😂

[@Cinnamontoast_69]

Not to mention that 1. You can’t drop a stratagem at your feet and 2. I need something for when I die to get my weapons back that I won’t have for the next 5 minutes thanks to the million bugs spewing out of the ground

[@Simplicity_272]

The thing I am most sad about for escalation of freedom isn't the nerfs, it isn't the increased crash frequency, it's the fact that the new Fortress bases are limited to Super Helldive difficulty, why not have them in say difficulty 5-6 as a bonus objective or even main objective, like command bunkers. (And as a bonus for difficulty 5 players it would be a good and super rewarding way to get some super samples).

[@Odstboi]

I wouldn't say 5-6, but 7-9. Me and my friends struggled with the mega nest alone. It's a real pain if you're not prepared. But I agree it should be on other difficulties. Maybe 6 but I'm not sure.

[@AndyRoddz]

5:29 on the spot. They have been buffing enemies and nerfing players, giving us more ways to die instead of more ways to kill.

[@Robert-fr9wl]

THE DEV TEAM BASE THEIR WEAPON BALANCE AROUND DIFFICULTY 5 GUYS😢

[@tylerulfmann4586]

@@Robert-fr9wl It’s getting harder and harder to really argue against that Reminds me of the dead by daylight dev cycle which was hilariously screwed

[@violet_paladin]

@@tylerulfmann4586 i mean theyve admitted it many times, and they streamed recently-shooting tanks with the breaker and getting mad it didnt turn into mist like the spreadsheets say it will. theyre completely incompetent at their job and need to be fired.

[@DocMoney_]

Arrowhead snatches DEFEAT from the jaws of victory. I don’t think Arrowhead knew why people loved Helldivers 2 when it came out. Bad update after update, made players leave and stop engaging once their fun was ended. Their design philosophy of nerfing the best meta is a bad plan. Buff the underperforming meta to match the current meta to expand options.

[@forestchurchill7348]

yes... rely on the stratagems that all have limited uses or high cool downs.... stand by in between charges. why make primary weapons feasible? because youre supposed to use those inaccurate barrage strikes to kill the outposts... what it didn't kill shit due to its terrible spread? well just wait out the cool down, im sure shit won't get too hectic in the meantime... BTW I play on HD4. -AH team Players- Makes total sense.

[@violet_paladin]

nothing like calling in a 500kg, dropping it on an enemy-and they survive. or even better, calling in a strat-and it just goes wherever the fuck it wants. no rhyme or reason, no way to position certain strats, you have a literal laser guidance system on it-but the super destroyer will just throw it at whatever angle it feels like. why is there a countdown to impact if they clearly arent aiming it?

[@forestchurchill7348]

@@violet_paladin For Realism! the stratagems being shot out at an angle is the angular geometry of the ship in space and your planet side position. less fun and accurate gameplay for ReAliSM!!! according to AH.

[@nightfurrystreams488]

i feel like the least intrusive option would be to let divers carry 2 support weapons and 5 stratagem loadouts. The biggest issue in the game is not having enough armor piercing when everything is armored in higher levels, even with a full squad there just isn't enough. I dont think this would break game balance at all, in the end it just gives you an extra weapon with 1 extra mag to kill 1-2 more armored enemies before you are left to just sprint for your life until you can reload. buffs > nerfs too, maybe buffs will fix our armor problem but if they wanna keep nerfing weapons let us take a third one.

[@ArheIy]

Nope, 2 support weapons and 5 stratagems aren't necessary. Somehow, the first game dealt with it just fine even when the ammo supply took the stratagem slot. The thing is that the first game was balanced based on the player's expirience, not the weapon usage percentage - the devs weren't afraid of making guns powerful and they actually played the game. Boot up HD1 - you'll see that nearly any gun is viable against any faction on any level. Now it's like the game is made by whole other people, much less competent and more fixated on making expirience worse.

[@matthewjennings1523]

"Most people are just playing" my brother in christ, 90% of your player base has stopped playing

[@AMVShooterUnlimited]

If you're going off the player count that keeps going around that's only steam players being counted, so your comment on 90% of players have stopped playing is incorrect.

[@matthewjennings1523]

Hey check it out... I don't care

[@DarkCatfish]

90% of the playerbase was useless trash if the breaker change is what makes them quit lmao

[@matthewjennings1523]

@DarkCatfish defending the poor balance techniques of devs that can't play their own game past 6 is goofy. People are leaving because they nerf popular weapons. They literally use spread sheets to decide balance 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Sure it's trash players.

[@AMVShooterUnlimited]

@@DarkCatfish it's not even that much of a change and can easily be worked around, it hasn't lost any power thus it's still top tier.