WTF Happened With Secret Invasion?

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Marvel’s Secret Invasion ended with a major letdown to viewers, from confusion of Rhodey’s Skrull history to G’iah’s powerset, Nick Fury and Gravik’s plan, and many other unanswered questions. Erik Voss steps back to look at the big picture of Marvel Studios in Phase 5 to try to identify what the hell is going on.
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[@216Knox]

Secret invasion could’ve been an entire phase. Where we get movies where the main character CAN die, only to be revealed as a Skrull the whole time

[@cslack813]

Ooooo that would’ve been cool. Too bad everything post end game has been mediocre at best.

[@GrizzlyAus]

@@cslack813 Honestly just anything closer to the comics wouldve been lovely.

[@newthian1783]

yeah i thought years ago that secret invasion will be phase 4 theme and reach final in Secret War along side war against Kang

[@AS-ri1mb]

So...none of the main characters would be dead. because they're a skrull.

[@216Knox]

@@AS-ri1mb ….yeah

[@unusualpotato42]

I expected secret invasion to kind of have a "you never know who's the enemy" vibe but it was more of a "I don't know who's who anymore" vibe.

[@Somebodythatoverthinks]

It kinda surprises me how they can go from quite interesting to really bad in just 6 episodes that's actually impressive

[@rapaz1997]

well game of thrones essentially did that in one season. Never underestimate a writer's biggest enemy, the writer itself.

[@ERMOONSaladino4]

It was never really bad. The ending is actually pretty good and so is the start.

[@thekaze70]

@@ERMOONSaladino4 in what universe got ending is "pretty good" ?

[@ERMOONSaladino4]

@@thekaze70 It sums up the story and tension and you end up being mindblown by the plottwists and the cool fight scenes.

[@s0ne01]

​@ERMOONSaladino4 What plottwist? What cool fight? They had every Avengers powers and didn't even use them in any unique ways.

[@MartyFox]

Ross: “What year is it?” Rescuer: “It’s 2025, sir.” Ross: “Oh, thank God!” Rhodes: “It’s… 2025?” Ross: “Colonel Rhodes… what year did you think it was?” And that’s how you make us invested in how long Rhodey was out without giving us an answer.

[@maxborn7400]

I just assumed that Rhodey and some others were "taken over" only recently, a bit later than Infinity War/Endgame. Otherwise, it just fucks up the whole legacy MCU built.

[@I_Shit_on_your_shit_point]

Asking what year he thought it was would be a sloppy, juco screenwriting class C+ grade.

[@3xcel592]

​@@maxborn7400for me i think he was taken over by skrulls ever since he was hospitalized after that fall from civil war, given he was still in his hospital gown

[@meetastro49]

​@@3xcel592I also think that but due to this , there are gonna be so many inconsistencies like Rhodes did find an empty planet(skull rhodey) on which they killed Thanos, it was habitable , the could have gone there and this is just one if we rewatch them there are gonna be much more

[@GGGmod1]

@@meetastro49 OOOO. Thats hell of a good point.

[@JoseBraghiroli]

What happened? Feige seems to have forgotten that the Infinity Saga was a linear narrative, one chapter after the next. Phase 4 and 5 lacks that narrative cohesion, and that results in content that gets made just for the sake of making it.

[@doublerdub1]

As much as I have enjoyed phase 4 and 5, I do agree that they have been kind of all over the place.

[@PandaPandora777]

Trying to guess when and where things take place is exhausting

[@daltonmeadesmith]

Phase 4 has more passion and love put into their projects than the entire Infinity Saga. It's really strange that I constantly see people saying that they're just pumping out shows and films when phase 4 has the most artistic and meaningful projects Marvel ever created.

[@bakdpotato143]

@@daltonmeadesmith LOL

[@kayaanbedi5554]

​@@doublerdub1same

[@aware24]

The Harvest could have been its only Saga. The conflict amongst heroes of using their DNA, weaponizing it, diluting their powers, the betrayal of collecting it, the compatibility of mixing DNA 🧬 with others, so much depth in there.

[@SamRieger]

yeah, marvel has no cohesive story after phase 1 cuz none of it ties together at all

[@robertcoggeshall3071]

Fury was keeping it secret.

[@lilyogi7887]

I think the skrulls needed a reason to become evil on earth

[@tintedredglasses2819]

I think we have to bare in mind phase 4&5 are taking place in a single year, so it’s possible certain things could still be answered in future projects

[@Hypnoticoolwind]

@@tintedredglasses2819yeah but if all it does is set up for something else then there is no pay off here. You have to simultaneously set something up but still end an aspect of it.

[@Ja1rb3ar]

There needs to be someone whose sole job is to maintain continuity and flow throughout the MCU so everything intertwines perfectly.

[@ChuyR.]

I kind of agree but it has to be a discrete/humble/open minded team, is not a job for one person, also it needs to be discrete, look at Pablo Hidalgo, the Star Wars fandom gave him too much power and he turned into prick.

[@ScorchtheHawk]

I always thought that was Feige’s job?

[@ArchieZeroOne]

@@ScorchtheHawk One of the many tasks of his yes. I think as the this video pointed out 2019 having 8 hours of Marvel footage vs 20-35 hours of work is stretching Fiege even thinner.

[@KK-fi6ms]

Comic books have been taking a giant dump on continuinity for decades. Don't see them suddenly start caring about it now.

[@cmike123]

That's kind of Feige's purview. The problem is some of the continuity shifts are on purpose.

[@camiheartyt]

I like to think of Secret Invasion as a sub-par bowl of spaghetti. The noodles are bland, the sauce is watered down, but it had the most amazing meatballs you ever had. That makes you not regret downing it but makes you wonder why not just put those meatballs into a sub roll instead.

[@Citizen88020120820]

You win the comment thread in summing things up

[@rorypinata265]

Dang. Best Analogy Ever

[@l.sdesilva3218]

Except those meatballs were actually bull testicles, and tho they tasted alright, you'll never want to eat them ever again

[@johnpauldriskill8737]

The biggest thing is that the secret invasion storyline is too big to be started and solved in 6 episodes of television. This series could have been a gateway to the whole secret invasion storyline because now you have the chance to make the story even cooler in the comics like having big characters be skrulls

[@hornbach9279]

to me the biggest problem was that they seemed determined to just utterly distroy the character Nick Fury and boy did they succeed.

[@emanthescripter1076]

I mean.....the world is now universally aware of the skrulls and the president has launched an attack for the sole purpose of their erasure. The secret invasion storyline has not concluded, if anything it actually displayed the conquering nature alot of skrulls have towards earth. Gravik was only the beginning.

[@emanthescripter1076]

​@hornbach9279 please elaborate how nick fury's character was tarnished? If anything i like him even more now. You actually see how prideful he really is. It's sometimes obnoxious yet respectable

[@LizardSpork]

​​​@@emanthescripter10761) As it turns out he wasn't a super spy master who's always one step ahead, he's just had access to shapeshifting aliens doing his work for him 2) he didn't keep an eye on the Skrulls, learning nothing from the Hyra infiltration of SHIELD 3) he pissed off to space after setting the whole world against Skrulls and potentially all aliens 4) this is a personal peeve but he didn't get justice for Hill who always had his back, he left it to Giah. It's like if someone brutally murderered Rhody in front of Tony and he's like "ok Spiderman you take care of that"

[@nickdentoom1173]

@@LizardSpork Yeah, if someone brutally would have murdered Rhodey, Vision and Tony would have come for their asses.

[@plumbussmith]

They really dropped the ball with the premise that anyone can be a skrull. Should have had way more paranoia and confusion amongst the characters.

[@edongski]

yeah. like in the comics.

[@djsalteenuts]

Exactly! We don’t know how long Rhodey was an imposter. It could’ve been since Infinity War or Endgame. We still don’t know who else they replaced

[@plumbussmith]

@djsalteenuts judging from his outfit, probably after Civil War.

[@samyujin7260]

They only had that in the final minutes, it made me feel like watching the final minutes of Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom all over agajn to be honest...

[@SavageSenzu]

Can’t do that in 6 episodes…

[@pal4ever112]

Remember, how Agents of Shields told a story about Hydra's invasion within the organisation and tied up at the end perfectly with the Winter soldier. It felt like I was following the the events of Marvel Universe just after the Avengers.

[@breaknfiction21]

AOS did this concept of hidden enemies so much better with their hydra and LMD arcs.

[@wjmoore17]

@@breaknfiction21 The first couple seasons of Agents of SHIELD were great and felt really connected to the MCU, even if they hardly ever featured characters from the films.

[@theghostoftom]

Ikr, so many layers, double crosses, fakeouts it was gripping. With it all happening in secret it made sense that Steve had no idea what was happening till Winter Soldier. Even the follow up with HYDRA remnants, other agencies, safehouses and trying to switch from survival to offence was great.

[@Obi7wan4]

Agents of Shield was the gold standard for story telling

[@prismanic24]

​@@Obi7wan4Damn right. So glad more people are giving AoS the recognition it deserves.

[@OnAndOffThePitch]

Marvel seems to have jumped off a cliff since End Game. Right now, I just want to watch Winter Soldier again to cleanse my mind and think if Secret Invasion had been made like this it would have hit the mark. Love your content.

[@optumisprime900]

No marvel fans just raised their expectations and think that every project has to be as big as endgame. Yall listen to leaks and scoops on youtube then complain when they come out as false. I get it not every marvel project has been the best. It just seems like the same complaint over and over again. Stop being greedy and be patient.

[@kalistyles4538]

It felt like a side quest that Marvel only ticked off to get 100% completion. I personally was hoping for something unpredictable and shocking, while there were a couple of small moments, I just wasn’t feeling it. I actually enjoyed the implication that Rhodey has been there since his accident, at least it shook things up a little.

[@owolabiaboyadewilliamcopel4824]

yes!!!! for a plot about aliens taking over identities, there was very little that was surprising much less shocking. For a “spy thriller” i expected much more deception that would keep the audience (and characters) guessing

[@hareendrangangadharan6974]

'ticked off to get 100% completion' exactly its like filling the checklist to get better ESG score.

[@Cinnder]

'It felt like a side quest that Marvel only ticked off to get 100% completion.' LMAO!!!!! So true!

[@kalistyles4538]

@@freeusernamethe heart and weight being taken away would not have been for nothing - it would have provided heartbreak and tragedy. Imagine watching Rhodey having to come to terms with all that has happened while he was under. Personally I like a little devastation and I wouldn't be mad if Marvel had run with it.

[@jessicastrike5640]

The reveal of Rhodes or Ross as Skrulls should have been the catalyst for this story, the President announcing his war and the public killings should have been the inciting incident to get Fury back on Earth to sort this mess out

[@catnoirlover1719]

So Ross is a skull in Wakanda Forever? Or perhaps they kidnap him? But then Didn't Okoye just rescued him at the end of the movie?????

[@jessicastrike5640]

@@catnoirlover1719 I assume Ross was replaced after Okoye rescued him but who knows 🤷‍♀️

[@nickdentoom1173]

@@jessicastrike5640 Or that Okoye was a Skrull too.

[@OGpinado]

You can still see that Rhodey is still in pain and was the only who couldn't walk without assistance, so am guessing that he was switched after his accident in Civil War

[@Edlin261]

It just felt like running through a checklist of scenes that might be in a spy thriller wihout any understanding of what makes those scenes tense and interesting in a good spy thriller.

[@johnnorton3288]

These phases need to feel like an actual phase, like the first three did, which more or less culminates with a big Avengers movie. Phase 4 just kind of ended with a random movie and I didn't even realize it was the end of a phase.

[@professorx3060]

Phase 4 ended?

[@Just-a-Orion-on-the-internet.]

@@professorx3060 yea, i did not even know, a phase is not a phase even more, just like, time stamps that have no actual meaning.

[@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102]

2:22 _WandaVision_ also had wildly differing episode lengths. But at least there was logic behind having such varied episode lengths. The first three episodes are shorter because they're emulating the sitcoms Wanda grew up watching as a child, which all were never longer than 30 minutes. The last two episodes, meanwhile, were 45 minutes long, which was very crucial to giving the extended flashbacks into Wanda's past the time to breathe.

[@vampirascoffin870]

Facts💯🎯💯🎯

[@justinsiebertvikings]

Wasn’t it 9 episodes too? Idk why they strayed away from longer seasons. Ig prolly money but that’s a lame ass excuse

[@jamangel]

​@@justinsiebertvikingssmfh

[@michaeloxendine1231]

I really don’t get it. Wandavision, at least to me, was absolutely phenomenal. It set such an absolutely amazing tone for what the Disney Plus series were going to be and to say it’s been a disappointment since would be a huge understatement

[@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102]

​@@michaeloxendine1231Clearly _WandaVision_ was like lightning in a bottle.

[@johnbrimelow5646]

No fatigue, just getting let down, we expect more but receive less.

[@kicknowledgesmith8608]

yup many assumed this would be like Winter Soldier.

[@mzoldskool77]

Right 😕😕

[@bobpierce]

Something that only hit me now is that one of the big problems was simply that they named it “Secret Invasion”! That story/name was already taken by the comics, and this story was a far cry from that one. Even if that mainly applies to comics fans, a zillion articles were written about the show before its release, and many talked about the comic storyline. So viewers didn’t get what they were hoping for, based on the title. They should have named it something else, to help lower expectations. Since it’s about aliens, conspiracies, government agents and a central couple, call it “Mulder and Skrully”, for all I care! Just don’t have me expecting “Secret Invasion”!

[@roguebarbarian9133]

Yes, because Civil War, Ragnarök, Infinity War, etc. were exactly like their comic book counterparts.

[@KingOfWinter]

Skrull and Order...... SkrullSG1 ok ok I’m done

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@roguebarbarian9133 I see you read exactly half of their comment

[@ImPrettyHighRn]

I really liked gravik and I think him as a super skrull was cool, but I think there should’ve been like an army. It felt too small scale for a secret invasion story

[@krisztianunpronounceable]

My biggest gripe is how they fridged Maria, just to give Fury a bit of a scare at being framed!

[@KenFromchicago]

Except it didn't even motivate Fury to do anything but continue to mope around more.

[@lunatic5162]

Right? I thought we got passed this "kill off female lead for male ones". So stupid

[@GasPrices23]

​@@KenFromchicagobecause men are mopey. -disney

[@KenFromchicago]

@@GasPrices23 Especially when we get old. Mopey is one of our best features. 🤣🤣

[@re1010]

​@@KenFromchicagoexactly, tgats what fridging means. A excuse to feel bad.

[@chandleralves698]

One thing that bothers me is how episode 5 was hyped us up for a showdown between Fury and Gravik that never happened.

[@spongeman1512]

Logically, fury can't beat that super skrull ftf. Obviously it's skrull vs skrull can be handled. Hence, Fury gone weak after the blip. So yeah.

[@waquasalam1450]

​@@spongeman1512then don't hype up

[@Wizard_Level_1]

Issue to me seems to be that they often drastically rewrite and reshoot all these shows near the end of the shooting or ever after. They are constantly changing the time line of things and the narrative of the throughline connecting everything so that if feels like these shows are scrambling to keep up. That feels like an environment wherein telling a good story is difficult.

[@mitchbechtold3918]

Out of all the planets we've seen in GotG, why is it never discussed or even asked - Why Carol and Fury can't find the Skrulls a home?

[@shamancarmichael5305]

By the end it just felt like the story had become so muddied that they just gave up and let it limp over the finish line. It could, and should, have been so much more.

[@AdrianMoseley]

Yeah cuz Gravik & Fury should have went head to head because 1. He was his protege 2. He personally killed Maria

[@MajorFort]

It's also very weird, with the recent news that Marvel Studios Avoids Hiring Writers Who Love Marvel Comics - like what the hell?

[@theilluminatibenefactor]

Source?

[@Nergalsama01]

Oh yeah, or calling out the director of "The Marvels" for being "too much of a nerd". @_@ I mean, I got into the MCU because it struck a good balance between doing its own thing and paying respect to the source material. I mean, I kinda get that they want to do their own thing and being comicbook-accurate may not always work on screen, but still.

[@mikeedwards9984]

It's like the WWE hiring writers who has no knowledge of wrestling smdh

[@JB-Jinn]

It's starting to come down to Bob Iger trying to jump ship. If he can start bringing down the Disney brand, he has enough of an excuse to sell everything and walk away.

[@markdaly1648]

Rumour is he wants to sell Disney to apple

[@alschaef13]

I think you nailed it. The stakes didn't feel real. I was confused on who had the power to determine outcomes. I think it would have been great to have these super skrulls already in their secret roles, and each episode played out like the blacklist as Fury had to figure out how to best essentially the "Skrull Avengers". Leading up to finding out that gravik was behind all of this. Keep Talos and Maria alive or at least give their deaths some meaning. That's my vision though, I think it was all fluff. A lot of the past few projects have felt like fluff. I just would like better direction and a common theme for a series.

[@shadowswept9167]

This would've been beautiful; like an inversion of Fury's big week, but where he had to take out each of the Avengers in secret, when all of Phase 4 established that they'd basically gone into hiding. It would also make sense why he didn't call the Avengers to help since he doesn't know which ones are real! Think we can petition a redo?

[@alschaef13]

@@shadowswept9167 I'll get the paperwork!

[@BigBodyBobby]

They could have at least spent one episode of going back to explain Skrohdie’s swap. They were plenty comfortable doing flashbacks overall, why not do something that is actually important.

[@TheHauntedAly]

I think Secret Invasion could've been a good sub plot to the overarching Kang Saga. They could've split it into 2 seasons, first season running for the beginning of Phase 4 with it ending with Skrullss being outed and a sense of distrust amongst everyone. Projects spanning until Phase 6 could feature a couple of heroes in each, distrusting one another and even some ending up as Skrulls or even a handful of Super Skrulls. Ending with a second season of Secret Invasion taking place right about the time of Avengers Secret Wars that wraps up the story but leaving in implications for Secret Wars and Kang Dynasty. I think the mistake they made with this Saga is wanting to start right out of the gate with Kang leaving them with confusing storylines and an uncertainty on where stories are to go

[@johnsantos507]

Wait! There's Secret Invasion Season 2? No. I'm not fall for another rumors lies.

[@dietbeer52]

Yes this is definitely how they should have done it, start by outing the skrulls and have it build out over different phases in the background and have it connect to the over to the secret wars and Kang dynasty

[@aryanvirdi458]

They did this in Avengers: Earths Mightiest Heroes. It worked perfectly.

[@johnsantos507]

@@aryanvirdi458 Yeah. I saw it on TV years ago. But Secret Invasion series is different because they rushed.

[@gorankellett732]

nah this was good

[@TekkLuthor]

Secret Invasion should've been a whole phase on its own.

[@vodkavecz]

Or a big budget 3 hour long Avengers movie.

[@Tlack333]

@@vodkaveczbuddy this was a 212 million dollar 3 hour long tv series.. wouldn’t have made it any better haha

[@saygethyme]

One of the things that they’ve gotten away from which was so successful was the blending of Universe 616 with the original Ultimate universe with a little twist from MCU creators. That made the characters in Phase One so original yet different yet familiar.

[@adamwalsh3718]

I like that you lined up "left us feeling hollow" with the scene of Gaia blwoing Graviks chest open :p

[@max_coast]

For a series where a Skrull could be anyone it sure wasn't difficult or intriguing at all discovering who was what. It was all just laid out really bluntly so the fear of an enemy in your midst... non existent. There was a lot of weird relationship meh-ness between characters, the scope felt small compared to what it needed to be, etc. Like the President is in a hospital staffed by what, like 5 people? WTF...

[@ericarezzo6675]

Yes, and Nick Fury has supposedly known about these shape shifting aliens for decades, but set up literally zero procedures or best practices. We have 2 factor authentication using cell phones for our youtube accounts, but they have literal jack shit for Avenger's level facilities and the president of the USA.

[@mr.punisher5100]

Anyone here wonder what happened to the shots from the trailer that didn't make it to the final product? The DODC was supposed to be in this from one of the trailer shots, maybe that could've spiced things up a bit more

[@simonepaletta7019]

What is the acronym standing for?

[@legendaxicad._]

​@@simonepaletta7019Department of Damage Control

[@tailssonicteam1604]

Yeah I thought the DODC would have been in an underground war with skulls doing cover ups for skull bodies if they were discovered by normal citizens. Would have been interesting but alas

[@nailinthefashion]

​@@simonepaletta7019watch Ms Marvel if you haven't 🕺🏾🎶

[@nailinthefashion]

Imo less is more in this case. I'm obsessed with how intimate the story feels, how it feels like a slice of the Marvel universe instead of something familiar. Nick felt truly desperate to gamble it all on doing it his way once again, which is usually fine but he came too close to the sun metaphorically so he goes literally next with Saber. It's more interesting to me to see DODC act after this. The Marvels, the Skrulls, the Incursions, they're gonna be so pissed now lol. I would have loved a scene where someone from DODC is like wtf is a Skrull anyway??? And they shift for them to prove they can be trusted.

[@stephenjenkins3995]

HOLY CRAP you hit EVERY nail on the head. Literally everything you said is EXACTLY how I feel. I just feel like this keeps happening and they aren't learning from it...

[@Shellyjanuary]

THIS. This is exactly how I feel as well.

[@Gorakatron]

I don't think the MCU needed another character with such vast power. It's just really difficult to create interesting stories when everyone is aware that the problem will be solved when that character magically arrives at the end to save the day.

[@OllamhProductions]

To me this series felt rushed and way too obvious. While a lot of the secrets were hidden from the characters, the audience saw way too much. At most we wondered for an episode if someone was a skrull or not, and then it was shown. Rhodey was way too obviously a skrull, his attitude change and general hatred for any human he had to deal with was just too big of a tell. It can't be a good mystery/intrigue story if there's no mystery for the audience.

[@Vekette]

and his sudden hatred of having to deal with humans wouldn't make any damn sense if he's been a skrull since civil war

[@BoomSlang001]

I liked speculating week to week, but you could tell how thin those mysteries and reveals would be early on. I was hoping for more in nearly every way, not including that final battle. Buff baby arms should never appear on a full-grown adult, and the VFX team should've taken some artistic liberties to make it all work.

[@movado0379]

Definitely, it needed at least 10 episodes to tell the whole story. That final fight was awful too.

[@eddiegreencheez]

With how easily Fury gave up the harvest, you'd think it would be booby trapped or have a failsafe or something

[@nickdentoom1173]

Fury be like: I don't wanna call the Avengers, cuz the Skulls can get there powers Also Fury: Here ya go, little Giah. Now, please use the powers, but be nice. Don't use them against the humans.

[@mar.s6516]

@@nickdentoom1173 Not just that - obv. its still weird that he would give this amount of trust to Giah, but on top of that there was no clear way to know who wins that fight. Gravik could easily be winner and it would eneded with psychotic overpowered skrull with power of all marvel heroes and it would be all Fury-s fault.

[@zer0faults]

@@mar.s6516 The alternative was World War 3 and an eradiated earth, Fury had to buy time. If Gravik stood to the plan, then Fury stops the war and if Giah looses, they still have an opportunity to go after Gravik, though a much harder fight.

[@saddocatto9245]

@@mar.s6516 Gravik is just a dumb character.... with all that power he should have EASILY control america long ago...

[@cmike123]

@@saddocatto9245 He didnt have the power to control public elections. The reason he took other world leaders was because they were Prime Ministers with much longer tenure than a President.

[@AnthonyDDavisJr]

The problem with Secret Invasion and the MCU in general is that it's not following the arc of the people who became fans in 2008. Most of not all of us are adults now and as such have developed the ability to understand and be moved by a complex and we'll crafted idea and story. The MCU continues to churn out content for a less mature audience. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, I just think most of us who thought shows like Secret Invasion would be more grown up like us are starting to come to a realization that were just too old for this shit.

[@slappyjo1046]

when you look back at loki, secret invasion seems like a fan project

[@ThePlaybackRoom]

incredible how they crammed Secret Invasion into 6 lil 30 minutes episodes, a complete slap in the face.

[@heresthething41]

The most disappointing part was the, let's give one person all of the superpowers, 4 year old fantasy thing. Completely neglecting the source material. If the harvest was of just a few characters, that would've been much more acceptable. But now we have a character that is basically undefeatable.

[@Sal-T]

Undefeatable, but killed with one Captain Marvel blast to the chest. Apparently the extremist works for a bullet wound, but not that... for some reason.

[@triggerwarning4746]

I thought the dna had to be mutant dna to copy powers.?

[@heresthething41]

@@Sal-T And that too.

[@Iam_Stu]

@@Sal-T I mean doctors can also patch up some bullet wounds but not a hole the size of a dinner plate through the chest. I think you need to be alive for extremis to function because it requires brain function to repair damage.

[@steveday2903]

Haven't you noticed how powers increase and decrease according to a given villain or storyline. There's no consistency with their powers only what suits a given moment, to drive the story.

[@some_dude]

Secret Invasion should be whole phase not just some short tv series

[@william5751]

I think it’s funny that there was a lot of dialogue from Fury about how he was the only one who could handle this and they couldn’t keep calling on superheroes to save the day when, in the end, it was the Avengers’ powers given to G’iah that actually saved the day. 🙄

[@herbalt]

"we can't call the Avengers because the Skrulls might get their DNA. instead, i'll....give the Skrulls the Avengers' DNA, cross my fingers, and hope that the good one wins." -___-

[@sidneyrobinson9186]

Like how did they instantly know how to control ALL those powers? what villian they going to put against Gia?

[@greedyyawgoo5635]

Multiverse Thanos, Disney have no problem bringing back a dead characters.

[@austinchoy7677]

High evolutionary would fit well

[@AlphaMR77]

Or it could be temporary. Might wear off?

[@Q_panda]

THIS FELT RUSHED RUSHED AND RUSHED… all events that happened could have happened and would have been effective IF the context was right. This is a community that has been around for decades in the MCU, their impact and presence needed to be properly cemented to catch up to what we’ve lived, but it felt short. The should have been three season beginning and tie in to catch up with what we’ve experienced Middle And big ending with secret invasion.

[@TEMPESTsonofThunder]

What went wrong with MCU version of Secret Invasion? Disney had a hand in it. It’s not a complicated riddle.

[@GeekyMedia]

Secret Invasion makes me even more thankful for timeless masterpieces like Andor

[@swazy_ace681]

The problem is that the episodes are too short and they don’t really do any anything permanent. The shows don’t feel connected to a bigger universe, the lack references to other shows and movie is a big reason they don’t feel connected. I think going to a theater to see a marvel movie was a big part in making it feel special. In one simple move they are entirely ruining their fan base ( Disney plus)

[@benknighten2736]

Agreed the Disney shows jus don't feel connected to the MCU they need more cameos from the major heroes

[@thehorrorlord1658]

Ik some didn’t like it but to me the only one I connected with was moon knight. It made me want more of him. The rest I’ve just kinda limped through

[@FatSquatch75]

Speak for yourself. I haven't seen a marvel movie in the theater since Ultron and it hasn't ruined my experience

[@swazy_ace681]

@@FatSquatch75 that’s fair my cousin is the same way but I’m sure the majority of people enjoy these movies in the theater

[@Wordfishtrombone]

I didn’t finish Secret Invasion thinking, “What went wrong?” It felt like it’s purpose was to spend time with Nick Fury and set up some crazy events for the future. Maybe the biggest mistake was calling it Secret Invasion

[@BigBelairePapi]

This is the greatest take I’ve seen. I swore this was our chance to learn the human side of Nick Fury. We never learned his side. From capt marvel to secret invasion, I’ve learned so much about MCU Fury & that should be enough

[@Stratos134]

Agreed, if this wasn't called "Secret Invasion", with that baggage attached to it, it might have been slightly better recieved.

[@jesuscruz2068]

yeah i think a lot of people arent considering how DAUNTING and difficult it would be to flesh out those type of stories and how comics have a way different pacing

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

I never paid that much attention to names, they often represent what's gonna happen than what is happening, like Age of Ultron

[@samsegnere924]

Call it “Nick Fury screws up making weapons again”

[@SetoShadowVT]

I think Fury realized off screen that Rhodey was a Skrull when "Rhodey" called him Nick during their argument, and when a Skrull called Fury Nick, Fury said the classic line of those who knew him in ANYWAY called him Fury not Nick.I think why Fury didnt realize it at the time is he was so distraught with grief as his whole world was falling apart LITERALLY!

[@TheAverageBear]

Secret Invasion came off as a part of Agents of SHIELD. A tertiary product in it's own universe with somewhat familiar characters engaging in some interesting stories that don't have importance to the main narrative.

[@waitey8626]

I resonated with “Maybe the next one will be better” so much 😂

[@marcusyates3044]

I really thought Skrull Rhodey was gonna fight Fury in the War Machine suit; that would've been epic, right?

[@shawnmeade7251]

Scrody woulda stomped him

[@marcusyates3044]

@@shawnmeade7251 You mean "Skrody"

[@lasagnasoda]

no

[@guarism0]

"protecting" the president in the War machine suit 👍🏻

[@keerthichandra376]

I think the word is stupid, not epic

[@samarthpaliwal2020]

you've just made secret invasion better with just 1 sentence damn!

[@josephleyva90]

I couldn’t get past the first 30 minutes of the first episode. I’ve relied on KZbin channels like this one to fill me in on what’s been happening.

[@evrywerigoable]

I'd have loved for Fury to have called Contessa Valentina Elegra de Fontaine, and see some pre-Thunderboldts connectivity or the writers go back and explore this in the setting of Agents of SHIELD

[@joshuamoylan7130]

When Nick Fury was told that the Helicarrier was mothballed, I thought this may have been a signal that there was going to be some Agents of SHIELD connectivity. If the storyline of Agents of SHIELD never happened, then the fact that the Helicarrier was mothballed wouldn’t have been news to Nick Fury, as he would have been the last one to use it in Age of Ultron. Thus, I thought we were going to get a post-credits meeting between Fury, Coulson, and Captain Marvel, which would have been fitting as those three were in Captain Marvel together, and Fury and Captain Marvel are going to be in a movie together soon as well.

[@caseyodell3377]

My issue is that it’s “secret invasion” yet I feel like I knew everything that was about to happen after the first episode

[@philipcrumbie]

Writers make content for themselves now, not the audience or the source material that's why Hollywood and disney are failing miserably

[@labmeeting]

"maybe the next one will be better" really does sum up phases 4 and 5. Some glimmers of greatness, but over all, feels like they're in a holding pattern

[@martinekliw]

They should have hired Agents of SHIELD showrunners... they did such an amazing job with the LMD arc .. It was always super tense and you didn't know who was LMD and who not. And at least I think instead of making Giaya super strong.. Fury should have really called Quake to support him. It would make more sense and you would not have another super powered character which is now hard to beat. But maybe they are going to reset everything in Loki ?! Who knows.... I still have hope in the bigger plan of Feige.

[@ryancrichlow4643]

Agents of shield did secret invasion better that secret invasion

[@keerthichandra376]

Why and how would Fury call Quake? Just for the sake of it?

[@PaulinaAngel]

@@keerthichandra376Didn’t you learn anything from the end of season one of AOS? Fury: Coulson, you of all people should know, I have my eye on everything. Fury could have easily touched base with Coulson and SHIELD when he came back, to regain his eye on the world.

[@Danny1420]

@@PaulinaAngel the fact that the agents of shield characters never showed up in the MCU movies is so disappointing, and now Marvel is so bad that I don't even care anymore

[@keerthichandra376]

@@PaulinaAngel you guys are talking like Quake is the obvious choice to be the one that fury calls when there are plenty of other options as well. Why many ppl saying quake is my question since there isn't any obvious connection to them

[@satan6552]

The biggest problem with "Secret Invasion", was that it was too short a series. It needed to be at least 12 episodes rather than 6. Such few episodes strangled it when it absolutely needed room to breathe and fully flesh out the story and characters. Gravik wasn't very threatening, Talos' death didn't hit like it should have, and the characterization of Gi'ah is paper thin. What we got was 5 very good episodes (for what they were) followed by a finale that didn't even have 40 minutes to wrap things up with a satisfying conclusion. Hell, I would have been happy with a cliffhanger weighted with absolute dread that promised a more intrigue in the future, and left you questioning who might actually be a Skrull in upcoming projects. The idea of Super Skrulls peppered throughout the MCU in the future could have been a game changer if handled properly.

[@keerthichandra376]

5 very good episodes? Did we watch the same series?

[@satan6552]

@@keerthichandra376 like I said, for what they were, they were good. No, not great or groundbreaking. Having such a deflated finale really hindered what came before, unfortunately.

[@cherrylk4188]

Hard disagree. The story they were trying to tell could've definitely fit into one concise movie. But so much of the series wasted time. Fully fleshing out ideas, especially ones that don't go anywhere, isn't always the play. Sometimes it's better to just cut those plotlines. For example, they tried to make Gravik appear more threatening by having him kill off the rookie Super Skrull. The rookie got a lot of screen time over the series to make us care about him and his death. But, as you said, Gravik wasn't threatening. So, all that time spent on him was wasted. They might as well have just cut it. Also, calling those five episodes good is a controversial but fair opinion, but calling them "very good" is a BIG stretch.

[@scruffd0g193]

This was a movie like story line. 6 episodes was not enough with a rushed storyline.

[@Shuaibmuhammed21]

36min per episode with making sense of it , that is one big problem again . if they had made it a 1hr per episode maybe then , they can explain better .

[@yianninikolaou4055]

Great analysis

[@lordjarvis]

"Why didn't you call the Avengers?" Fury: "It's the principle of it" ....I groaned out loud in this exchange.

[@machaboy3743]

A Secret Invasion is an avengers level threat and quite frankly all we needed was appearances of two or three of them intermittently, and a good bad skrulls vs good skrills + avengers fight at the end and the reception would have been much better. This is the first post-endgame property I've felt has in fairness earned some pushback from even a casual MCU fan. I'm starting to think that every writer on these projects needs to have watched all previous projects so that theirs can meld in.

[@BluestofFalcons]

When fury was asked about callings in the avengers, he said "no, this is personal". What? Excuse me? That was the dumbest thing I’ve head in two years lol. I officially have given up on Disney

[@xaviermaster1]

@@BluestofFalcons even if it is personal for me its like idk "the freaking president is under attack" how come not a single avengers be like "oh shit the president was under attack by a terrorist maybe i should investigate. I think falcon should at least appear he is a soldier after all, order to protect the president

[@MrGreenleaf82]

​@BluestofFalcons Exactly, this was the reason Fury put the Avengers together in first place!

[@RA-rt3vy]

When Secret Invasion was first announced, I was super excited. The opportunity to adopt the comic to the current universe was something I was really looking forward to. What a wasted opportunity.

[@edongski]

same. i was expecting this series to be more epic than the comics.

[@transformerstuff7029]

@@edongski lmao why? nothing in the mcu has been more epic than the comics.

[@kayaanbedi5554]

@@transformerstuff7029 Civil War and Infinity War were better than the source material they were adapted from Hawkeye is another good example of an adaptation (with slight differences from the comic) done right

[@transformerstuff7029]

@@kayaanbedi5554 civil war was better? LMAO WAR. You even know what a war is? War isn't 6 people running at eachother on a tarmac LMAO Hawkeye was agenda drive garbage they tried to turn into a christmas thing so people will rewatch it around xmas. A marketing angle that won't work. Infinity war was good, but in no way better than the comics. It actually looked sorta like a war. Too bad the MCU just is too small to make it feel like an actual war. LMAO infinity war without f4.

[@kayaanbedi5554]

@transformerstuff7029 the movie adaptation of Civil War is better than the comic storyline Hawkeye was not agenda driven at all Infinity War nailed Thanos in live action and in some ways better than the comics Infinity Gauntlet is a good storyline though 👌

[@manuelchavez4296]

I appreciate the authentic take!

[@aindrilaghosh7834]

This caption is the question I ask myself every day since I started the series. First, it was, "What the hell is going on here?!" and now, it's "What the hell did I just see?!"

[@banonKING]

The problem with the series writing was the plot. The dialogue and performances were stellar.

[@bananamilkshake04]

I don’t get when in these Marvel shows the finale is always a relatively short episode. Like the first episode will be ~50mins but the last is like ~38mins. In my opinion the finale should **always** be the LONGEST episode of the series!

[@xKillZone99]

multiple powers being used like that kills the entire mcu

[@EssenceRJ]

You hit the nail on its head. Bang on!

[@nicwestra2088]

How do they both instantly know how to use any power?

[@classtilton871]

I can forgive that, intuition of some sort. But i CANT forgive the drax arm 😂

[@TeddyG221]

i thought they would have their entire body doing the shape shifting right? like how they do the others

[@SeeFutHunn]

​@classtilton871 how can you forgive that when it took Thor how many movies before he realized he's God of thunder and not God of hammer? 😂

[@nicwestra2088]

And why was gravik in skrull form but gia stayed a human female, weird. Also ebony maw's rings somehow come with his DNA?

[@pretty_flaco]

skrull logic… 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@leftofpunk]

That strong central vision USED to be Kevin Feige and his close team but that seems to have fallen apart. He used to be right out in front of these shows and movies explaining things and I feel like he's been MIA.

[@bc1176]

Even he doesnt want to be associated with Phase 4 and beyond lmaoo

[@Undeadpriest94]

I mean, it's said that Feige was the one who requested the Super Skrull fight. So actually, he's the reason WHY it failed.

[@Paintballpro18]

He's probably up in space rn, earth Feige is skrull

[@baldspotcrazycat7707]

you got me at the end... totally agree, thank you.

[@markstreeter9627]

IMO, this is 100% how we felt. Thanks for this!

[@redpanda9367]

This entire series honestly should have been episode 1 and the other 5 episodes dealing with the fallout of Gravik’s failed plan. Especially since they’re not doing a season 2. Now we have to piece the aftermath together from whatever nods the other titles give us. Sloppy and unfulfilling should never the goal!!

[@owolabiaboyadewilliamcopel4824]

i love this idea… especially with their being “millions of skrulls “ on earth- there could be real adventures and confusion once the leader is killed, with different factions taking different approaches especially given the US declaring war on aliens

[@redpanda9367]

@@owolabiaboyadewilliamcopel4824 Right?! It would also have been really interesting to see how many, if any, ended up realigning with Fury and the other Humans…They could have gotten really deep with it and gone so far as to have different groups of Skrulls working with different countries all infiltrating each other and causing real, societal problems rather than just sneakily trying to nuke the world from the shadows…that trope is so played out these days, especially in the MCU..

[@tonysimon8060]

I don’t think we should be “excusing” writers just because they are on strike right now, if they did a mediocre job it should be pointed out and taken into consideration when thinking about their strike precisely 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@intothefrayyo]

They’ve been saying this since before Covid-through Covid- & now, instead of just saying these releases have been garbage- blah blah blah reshoots.. blah blah blah time constraints 🙄

[@no_player_commentary]

@@intothefrayyo Exactly just a bunch of excuses, or its trolls & the fans are lying about how bad things are.

[@Fridgemasters]

maybe writers wouldn’t have such ass stories if they were actually paid a decent wage

[@mikesemus9773]

@@Fridgemasters They get 6 figures, on what planet is that bad pay? They just want more despite not deserving it at all.

[@pieceopye4046]

​@mikesemus9773 100%

[@fredmcgee3446]

Wasn't expecting it to be a big deal especially since it was only 6 episodes this is only the beginning

[@thereal2ha]

I didn't even know secret invasion was released

[@jethawks7]

I think the re-shoots are the biggest problems, normally studios only do re-shoots if they absolutely have too. marvel seems to do them every single time for some reason and then we hear about their original plans and they always seem like they would've been better. Trust yo self marvel thats what got you this far

[@Joewho69]

If reshoots are this awful then i wonder what was like in first shots

[@meowski617]

I think the real world conflict with Russia invading Ukraine was the reason for the reshoots.

[@BoomSlang001]

@@meowski617 What would that have changed, though?

[@patrickward7854]

Incorrect, studios always do reshoots. It’s a somewhat recent thing where people watch for reshoots like they’re some sort of plague.

[@jaywithani2753]

I back this fully it’s defiantly this issue disney keep creating in its franchises

[@legomarioboy08]

I think it would have been better if Secret Invasion was the main plot of the entire saga or save it for a future saga.

[@alifdefr823]

This video just make me thankful to stop at episode 2. Thank you me.

[@vipe650r]

Thank you for a fair and, I would say, accurate and honest assessment.

[@alexmichnowicz5873]

I think Secret Invasion should have been the next Infinity War/Endgame. A 2 movie deal where you COULD get all of the huge name actors and Avengers.

[@joshrandor4371]

I like the part where they sidelined Nick Fury to make the side character a literal god.

[@Clairejart]

?

[@too2great8]

​@@ClairejartHe's talking about G'ah.

[@alejandrohayling8381]

7:43, this image will forever haunt my dreams

[@markerzuahsiam335]

😂😂😂 yeah it was horrible. What were they thinking 😅😅😅

[@manbearpig9352]

Secret invasions felt like a prequal to an actual secret invasions episode

[@galactus9625]

If loki bombs were really doomed

[@Strange-T]

Exactly my fear

[@momogi618]

eh if that happen i'm just excited for deadpool and daredevil and not the entirity of phase 5 and 6.

[@alexhead2645]

The first season did pretty well, I don’t see it bombing

[@kayaanbedi5554]

I hope Loki S2 doesn't bomb

[@ct_5386]

It was "okay" not good, not bad, "okay"

[@geoffishy]

Not sure if this has been explained, but wasn’t Talos’s human form, Ben Mendelssohn, actually Nick Fury’s boss, who he had some history with? So either Talos was running around as a still alive Shield higher up, or has taken the body of Fury’s dead boss?

[@amirul_lisan]

2:52 Nick Fury didn’t know off-screen that Rhodey is a skrull; he knew this while spoofing the conversation between Raava and Skrhodey in the church

[@cesaralvarado584]

Fury really saw that another war was going to break loose on Earth and decided to dip

[@ricmar92]

No, literally. The closing moments with the presidents speech and skrulls being assassinated was the most interesting part about the entire series for me. Then it ended😐

[@markchristopheryates6718]

For all this whole video I think he summed it up perfectly at the end in the very last line.... It should have been more "What's gunna happen next!?" And less "What's happening!?'. LoL

[@SirJayington3rd]

Super skrull fight was the tv equivalent to an 8 year old repeatedly smashing action figures together

[@Sinnathan]

Gravik was Team Fury until after Endgame, when Fury came back from the blip and then abandoned the Skrulls. That’s when he started replacing people. So Rhodey was himself til at least Endgame.

[@hwuntsu4425]

marvel letting him wear a hospital gown and shows trouble walking says otherwise. terrible story writting

[@baertheblader9402]

@@hwuntsu4425are you thinking he was replaced after he broke his back during civil war?

[@SeventeenGhost]

@@hwuntsu4425 I think he has trouble walking because he's used to using the braces Tony made for him, which he doesn't appear to be wearing in that scene. Also, an injury like that requires check-ups, maybe it was there (and after being promoted to Presi's Best Friendo) that Gravik ordered Raava to take his place. At least, it sounds more strategic than "oh cool, an Avenger is in the hospital, let's take its place for the lulz, maybe we can use it later". I mean, they also would have been risking being found out earlier, if a single fight resulted in his death or near-death.

[@hwuntsu4425]

@@baertheblader9402 no i don't but the clues are literally there, and also the director said it officially (i think)

[@herbalt]

the Skrull shadow council was a thing long before Gravik came to power, so i don't think the timing of his change of allegiance necessarily has anything to do with when Rhodey was replaced. of course, that COULD be the case, but unfortunately we aren't given enough information to accurately make that assumption.

[@NightSentinel51]

My issue with writers using multiverse, time travel, and in this case, secret invasion-type in their story is that it is not a challenge. There is always a way to explain away part or even all of it by saying it was not part of the main story. Without story constraint, having to follow through with the storyline even if it was not received well, there is no stake in the game. It's like playing a game and resetting it every time you lose but you keep using the same strategy.

[@DylanShanahan]

Exactly - it's just lazy and an excuse to collect IP.

[@vizor4067]

Savescumming be like

[@Androtar]

You nailed it

[@laneskirata4367]

The fact that they killed off Maria Hill only for that to be blackmail against Fury and they killed off Talos saving the president only for it to mean nothing to Ritson really pisses me off.