Drinker's Chasers - MCU Collapsing As Secret Invasion Flops

Another day, another boring and forgettable Marvel show on Disney+. This time though, the apathy towards Secret Invasion is palpable. Does anyone care about this stuff anymore?

[@spdewertton]

I'm tired of it collapsing, I want it to just collapse already. They spent the last 5 years in this annoyingly long death spiral. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

It has been dying for 9 years actually.

[@jonfreeman9682]

There is no death spiral and the brand is stronger than ever. The problem is fans are getting bored and can only handle so much refried beans that's all.

[@BRLink1]

To much money, they can keep producing trash for years before they go into the red

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

@@octomancer Yep and it will be the hacks, activists and companies who will feel the implosion, not us.

[@cokemaster3710]

@@JustTooDamnHonestits been dying before gotg (1,2, and 3) civil war, ragnarok, infinity war, endgame, and no way home? yeah fucking right lmaooooo

[@captainiceberg8637]

Disney flopping is all well and good, but we need talented young filmmakers to step in RIGHT NOW and make their own film industry

[@spdewertton]

Yeah. With blackjack. And hookers.

[@mr.sinjin-smyth]

There's lots of them in the independent scene they just lack the budget and major studio backing.

[@manuelpatino7863]

I don't care whether they're young or old, I care about talent. ✌️

[@6581punk]

That's the problem with all these channels, they get their clicks by talking about how bad xyz is when they could be discovering and promoting indie flicks that are decent. I guess that doesn't get the engagement though.

[@mr.sinjin-smyth]

@@6581punk That they should, but they also serve a purpose in providing valid criticism against the shills of Rotten Tomatoes and those doctoring ratings of IMDB and Metacritic. "Official" journalists in movies and games are just beyond questionable now.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Nick Fury in Secret Invasion tv show looked more like a washed out Mace after he fell out of the Windu.

[@oldgreybeard5301]

I see what you did there. 👀

[@danialholland784]

Nice one

[@MikkoSimila]

Are you sure? Or is he playing? 😂 Are you too to understand the show? Are you missing 🧠?

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@MikkoSimilaour comment makes literally no sense. This dude was making a joke and you were so slow it flew over your head over 100 times. Seems like you’re the one missing his 🧠. Go find it. 😂😂 lol nimrod.

[@JustapErson]

@@MikkoSimila " Are you sure? Or is he playing? 😂 Are you too to understand the show? Are you missing 🧠? " Funniest comment I've seen all day. Just copy pasting it in case you edit it, which you have every right to do.

[@Hollyclown]

Nothing says sympathy for a villain like those villains committing genocide.

[@kingleech16]

Apparently as long as you’ve been wronged in some way, disproportionate retribution doesn’t apply.

[@danielcarithers3345]

Remember how the villain in the previous Marvel project was the absolute worst human being with no redeemable qualities whatsoever? I thought we were going in the right direction with these villains but nope.

[@motionpotionsauce]

Yeah but they were probably victims of prejudice, so that justifies anything

[@mr.green2341]

Yeah, they’re all “just misunderstood victims where the ends justify the means.” Fucking postmodern activists masquerading as “writers” and “directors” for this crap to push “The Message”. 🙄

[@FireJach]

@@danielcarithers3345 Yea. Gravik said: Nick didn't keep his promise, so I won't keep mine - immediately turned into a terrorist. HUH? He lived in a good community, his folks found a place to live among humans in peace and he is a psycho suddenly.

[@Arcjaw]

Fury hasn't been the same since they revealed how he lost his eye. That, like the majority of his character, should have remained a mystery

[@JustapErson]

Fury hasn't been the same since 2016/2017 hit and everything went to shit.

[@leonrobinson8180]

That cat scratch cucked him. Why must they cuck strong male characters?

[@megkrish7568]

@@JustapErson Nahh I'd say from captain marvel

[@MrbigballsMemes]

Fact!

[@whistlingsage9817]

The story of him losing his eye would have been fine, if it was because of something heroic or meaningful, but it wasn't either of those things. He might as well had lost it by running into a tree while he was jogging.

[@toeray5864]

Fury complaining about being "held back" or "kept down" is like Obama complaining that nobody believed in him. FFS Fury commanded an invisible flying aircraft carrier, ran an agency dedicated to defending Earth and he did that after he spent decades as a secret agent. Do they think people can't remember the plot of multiple billion dollar movies from the last decade?

[@JustapErson]

There's a series called suits that ran for about 10 seasons. A main character and lead partner of a law firm was a black woman, but those 2 details were completely irrelevant to her character until around 6 or 7 years ago. When everything started going woke, they decided to completely change her character and try to pretend she was oppressed. Keep in mind this is a woman who makes more in a day than 99.99999% of straight white men make in a decade. Writers simply don't care and don't want to use logic. It's sad that these people are given a voice when they're so hateful and wrong.

[@papapanders488]

​@@JustapErsonI assume Jessica right? Cause that woman was in control of everyone and everything at the start of the show lmao.

[@theelder4797]

"Skrulls, whamens and blix people be oppressed, yo!! It don't matter if dey is president, in charge of the most powerful secret organization on Earf, or if dey is a CEO!!! They still kept down by muh patriarchy and hu-whyte supreme pizza peepo, yo!" --- Marvel, 2023

[@spider-ball]

In both cases it's a psychological defense: the belief that "I failed because someone or something is holding me down" is because they really think "I can only succeed if someone or something pushes me up"

[@zeffmalchazeen3429]

@@JustapErson so that is the reason I only hear the race and gender card once. I do like Jessica and Gina Torres in general

[@PhillipOnTakos]

That exchange between Fury and War Machine almost and I mean almost sounds decent out of context. I mean it has no place in the MCU. It has no place with Nick Fury being involved with the conversation. Also in a show where characters can look anyway they want, it feels out of place. I feel bad for Don Cheadle. Cause since Endgame his only purpose in the MCU is to be the other black guy, for the main black guy to talk about race relations. They did it in Falcon and Winter Soldier. They did it in What If and now they're doing it here. Weird how pre-endgame his race was never brought up but now it's all they use him for.

[@walkertexasraymond]

That’s what’s insane. Falcon and winter soldier introducing racism in the MCU when it was never there is wild, especially after a diverse group of people literally saved everyone from annihilation and yet racism still exists? Like bitch everyone almost all died hell half of the planet disappeared. That’s a world changing event. You would think the world would rethink some things. Like maybe race doesn’t really matter after such a crazy close call with death lol It’s wild how Hollywood thinks you need to bring real world issues into make believe.

[@gs4011]

It's also dumb as hell because war machine used tech that was copied from Tony by the military, and we literally know nothing of Fury's rise to prominence. Not only is it out of place, none of what they're saying makes sense in character.

[@samblack5313]

Now that you mention it, I DO remember when he was just a character that I liked.

[@hope-cat4894]

The writers do know other races can be racist to black people, too, right? They always have it be white people being racist to black people. I've seen Mexicans be very racist to black people, but Hollywood likes to pretend we are all the same POC. 🤨

[@keiichi8191]

@@samblack5313 It's so peculiar to think back to a time when you could just have a good character and their skin color was completely irrelevant, unlike in "progressive" Current Year where you can't have a black character on screen without the fact that they're black being repeatedly hammered into your face as their most important defining aspect.

[@davidsanders5652]

In fairness Disney's Secret Invasion has broken new ground in entertainment, and something I thought to be impossible, they have made Samuel L Jackson unwatchable and dull. Only Tarantino's final film can save his career now.

[@poiuyt975]

He's 75 years old, I don't think he needs to save his career at this point. SLJ could've retired already and, just like Harrison Ford, SHOULD"VE retired instead of participating in the destruction of their legacy characters.

[@bruhdon4748]

@@poiuyt975both of them should’ve retired by now tbh

[@darthkek1953]

Harrison was fine in the Yellowstone prequel and a de-aged unironic Indy film ("the first 20 minutes") could have worked.

[@1stCallipostle]

​@@darthkek1953They're already blaming most of the costs on that part . Imagine the $500,000,000 budget that they'd throw into it

[@JustapErson]

I'm surprised they didn't talk about how awful SLJ's acting was on the train. I've not seen anyone else talk about it. Am I crazy?

[@AncestorEmpireGaming]

Looks like the MCU has phased itself out

[@Zachwdaswag]

Ba dum tss

[@smelltheglove2038]

Thank god. I’ve been over it since the beginning.

[@MikkoSimila]

​@@smelltheglove2038no they didn't. Critical Drinker and his friends are bunch of old Bitter men who hate humans in same way like Secret Invasion villain Gravik. 😂 Secret Invasion is fine. It's Disney's most violent show ever. They cut fingers off and showed it on screen, they have actual guns instead of scifi family friendly guns, they kill people left and right maybe? Oh and they show blood. Whole idea of the show is not believe anything what you see in the screen and what they say. Clearly Critical Drinker are too to even understand the show. 😂 But if you are smart enough and want figure stuff out Secret Invasion is okay spy thriller for you. Don't listen to these Graviks in youtube.

[@GLJosh]

They did the "Blip" to their audience.

[@fuckoffgoogle1657]

>I’ve been over it since the beginning Fucking YES 🙌 thank-you! All these channels are being ruined and taken over by fucking super hero shit. Idk how everyone’s mind hasn’t turned to jelly watching this endless garbage. Yeah, you guys make money complaining about it but damn…one would think you’d get bored of beating a dead horse

[@jpt00711]

The 1st mistake was making the skrulls somewhat good guys in Captain Marvel. When you have a good story from the comics then you don't need to change it. The Skrulls vs the Kree was a perfect story. Earth was a strategic planet that could help one of the sides gain an advantage. The writers just messed up everything esp turning Mar-vell into the bad guy

[@bloodysimile4893]

Kree were right.

[@shanonsnyder9450]

The Kree were so afraid of the Skrulls they were going to nuke Earth from orbit

[@keiichi8191]

@@shanonsnyder9450 It's the only way to be sure.

[@babbit09]

@@shanonsnyder9450 I mean look at what the "stragglers" of the species are able to do, full on nuclear terrorism with improvised explosives, they've already replaced the prime minister and leader of NATO, the MCU's earth is one Geiger tick away from nuking everyone out of existence. All Secret Invasion's done is prove to me that the Kree WERE right to want to wipe out the Skrulls.

[@shanehachey9355]

That whole plot was literally just Current Year news story about Trump and the border wall. Making Skrulls scared, shivering, homeless orphans was clearly a move made by people who never read the comics.

[@digiscream]

Here's the thing - I watched the first episode, and I don't remember anything that they've mentioned as being part of it. I'm not doubting them, it's just that the plot was *that* forgettable. Secret Invasion was basically the last chance the MCU had to impress anyone, as a grown-up spy show in the same vein as Winter Soldier. Instead, they just phoned it in, and thought it'd be enough to make some allusion to racial tension.

[@jonfreeman9682]

Well let's be honest they can only do the same story again and again so many times before fans get tired of refried beans. Thing is as great as Marvel is and as rich as its stories and characters people still get bored.

[@shaunsaunders531]

@@jonfreeman9682 the worst of it is that they do the same thing worse than they did it before!!! I mean, I can stand to watch some of the pre-stage4 stuff at least every 6 months and still lap it up. New stuff though? One watch and like we're saying, I've forgotten the plot by bedtime.

[@freedomslunch]

But are you a mediocre man?

[@smelltheglove2038]

@@jonfreeman9682it’s like people are starting to get tired of this particular pop culture fad. Almost like it’s going out of style.

[@rudykreutz3881]

I completely forgot that bombs went off. And when the torture lady showed up, I had to ask my wife if we'd seen her before, because I couldn't remember.

[@meatpuppet5036]

Imagine trying to convince Rhodey that Tony Stark was "mediocre". To the modern millennial writers: My brothers/sisters in Christ, you ARE the mediocrity.

[@ravissary79]

It's highly highly unlikely they're brothers and sisters in christ. Half of them probably would take that as misgendering... and think christ was an oppressor.

[@theelder4797]

Mediocre is a pretty generous and hearty word to describe them.

[@DemonicRemption]

@meatpuppet5036 Don't lump all of Millennial writers in with those idiots. Though at this point it's looking like projection as rather than admit to their own mediocrity and improve these "writers" would rather say that everyone else is mediocre.

[@bilson7523]

I can't stress enough how stupid the entire setup for Fury is in Secret Invasion. A more advanced society capable of interstellar travel, who left 30 years ago with Capt. Marvel to find a new home, is upset with Nick Fury because he broke a promise to find a new planet, so that group is going to kill billions of people to take our home... And the show presents that side as potentially reasonable. It's the equivalent of a hedge manager who trades in coffee imports threatening to burn down a coffee shop because the barista doesn't have a blend from Columbia, when they promised yesterday they'd get one. And Disney is saying that, from a certain POV, the hedge manager is acting reasonably.

[@marychocolatefairy]

Add to that it wasn't Fury's promise in the first place, but Captain Marvel's. It's almost like the Skrulls know that she can wipe them out with no problem, so instead they go bother this non-superhero guy and pretend he's the one that owes them something.

[@ebertwix5860]

"You broke a promise, so now the world can burn" Yeah this writer was having their time of the month

[@Barbarian75]

It's amazing how life is better when one doesn't watch any of this crap any more. There are so many good films and shows around there. And Netflix helped to opened European and Asian treasure lock for many people who wouldn't go there normally. You are correct - no one is watching those shows, and even these discussions are becoming long in the tooth and pointless for many viewers.

[@cy-one]

*"And Netflix helped to opened European and Asian treasure lock for many people [...]"* You misstyped "Netflix had to start showing content produced locally due to more and more local governments forcing Netflix to do so by law," though :D

[@fatihnri2484]

​@@cy-onefair. Nevertheless it turns out that foreign content is able to compete against Hollywood that is becoming increasingly shit.

[@reval1989]

The only thing I’ve watched since Endgame is Spider-Man and I’m finding all of this hilarious

[@cy-one]

@@fatihnri2484 Yep! I mean, the only two advantages Hollywood had over everything else in the anglosphere was being a talent magnet due to previous successes and having a big budget. Like, no matter the talent involved, a local German movie could never be as "bombastic" as an American one - due to Hollywood's budget. Now, the budget is still there, though it gets wasted by being greedy. Give a good VFX company a year to do a movie's VFX and you will have a visual masterpiece. Give the same company 3 months because you also want them to do 2 more TV shows and another movie in the same time and it'll result in shit CGI. Talent is also still there, but it writing doesn't get selected by talent anymore. It's about checking off boxes or having connections. See the show runners of Rings of Power S1, who _admitted_ they have been posing ideas for movies to Hollywood for 10 years that (this is a direct quote) "deserved to have been made." Not one did. They implicitly admit to be absolute hacks that couldn't convince anyone to make their movies. Then they get a recommendation from JJ Abrams to make ROP... and immediately, with gusto, ram it so far into the ground to make Elon Musk's Boring Company blush with jealousy. That was connections. Now, S2 will get a new leading team, including writing staff. What is the first and major information we get about that - and continue to get? That they're all women. Not that they worked on huge titles or are successful book authors or what have... But that they're women. And there you have the checkbox-checking again :D

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Everybody was just caught up in the hype and now that the hype is gone the mcu is kinda shit

[@RobidyBobidy1]

"People like us, we've been held back our entire lives, and we've had to wrestle power from mediocre men." That's actually an intersectional feminist mantra, but they literally looked at Samuel and said "Well, our struggle is basically the same as black people, so it'll work." That's their favorite delusion.

[@DemonicRemption]

@RobidyBobidy1 As a black man myself I've made the same mistake once thinking that feminism and civil rights for blacks were one and the same. And while the objective was the same once upon a time, the details of how they got there was night and day difference. It's a shame how incompetent these writers are.

[@RobidyBobidy1]

@@DemonicRemption Yeah, it's funny how ever since George Floyd, all that's changed for black people in America is that they have more strong, independent white women to look at on TV.

[@DemonicRemption]

@@RobidyBobidy1 That kinda hurts me, but not in the way you think. I happen to be fond of white women, and have written a few stories with white female leads. So I'd be fine with looking at white women on TV if today's white female characters weren't appalling blank slates or angry token stereotypes. I mean dogg, this ain't that hard, yet they make look utterly impossible. But getting back to your point as it's worst than you think. I've seen numerous shows and movies that star black folks, yet people don't what they are because lack of marketing. And I get it when Will Smith was once one of the coolest guys on the planet and Bill Cosby was "America's dad," and Obama became President, is it a wonder studio execs want to put us back in a box?

[@Leathal]

@DemonicRemption modern black roles don’t really seem to be written for actual black people (with a few exceptions like Killmonger). Feels like the avg token black actor is supposed to be a sterile yet perfect human, unthreatening (to women) but entirely defined by their struggle with oppression. It’s honestly really disgusting how far white lib women have taken the noble savage trope

[@swampcastle8142]

I spend more time watching you guys tear apart the MCU than actually watching any of the movies or shows.

[@babbit09]

That's cause they're infinitely more entertaining than Samuel Jackson looking directly at the camera and saying "Racism... bad"

[@frankgesuele6298]

@@babbit09 And it costs you no $$$.

[@odysseusrex5908]

This!

[@bryanclarke1927]

More fun than the shows

[@ez6888]

That shows a lack of intellectual integrity.

[@InfernosReaper]

The promise bit seems weird, just because how exactly is a dude who can't go out into space going to deliver a planet to anyone

[@spdewertton]

Captain Marvel was in the 90s too. That movie was humanity's introduction to life outside of Earth in the MCU.

[@jonfreeman9682]

Well he can sign a treaty to deliver the planet like a contract to surrender. ☝️

[@DavidByrden1]

It's like seeing President 45 in the skin of Nick Fury. "I will get you a yuge planet. Only I can do it."

[@CalebSpears1]

It’s gonna be a big, very big, planet. It’ll be the best most beautiful planet, ok folks?

[@babbit09]

We're gonna build a space wall and make the Kree pay for it

[@TheWarmachine375]

Secret Invasion Saga was far better handled by the Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes animated show.

[@alexfriedman918]

I actually feel bad for the Echo actress - she checks so many boxes, that she is the literal embodiment of every joke about political correctness, affirmative action, or fake diversity gone wrong!

[@giulizpaviz6381]

May I know more about it? I don't watch many Marvel movies so I don't know about it 😅

[@alexfriedman918]

@@giulizpaviz6381 I don’t know the character either. But I hear the actress, who already appeared as a secondary character in the Hawkeye show, is, I think, a Native American woman, deaf, an amputee, and … I’m not sure what her sexual orientation deal is. That is a whole lot of boxes!

[@giulizpaviz6381]

@@alexfriedman918 dang, a real token

[@JokeofAllButts]

I dont... I imagine she gets paid alot to be a shield.

[@rockbottom2822]

When you're checking boxes, you display your lack of talent. You are nothing but a poster child, a pet purse for the overbearing virtuous to parade around with like a trophy. It is the most superficial and pretentious shit imaginable. Identity is a cheap substitute for a character.

[@KarazolaX]

I was legitimately shocked at Secret Invasion. The writers don't even know their own source material. I recently rewatched Captain America 2 and 3 before this series came out, and there's a few EMBARRASSINGLY large signs that the writers of this show didn't know their own source material. First point: When War Machine is shown an image of Nick Fury and Maria Hill's faces identified at the bombing, and this being treated as 100% confirmation. Wasn't there an ENTIRE film that had a plot revolving around an attack on the UNITED NATIONS being staged by someone using a face face mask in order to have an innocent man blamed for it? A plot that was exposed at the end of the film and the true baddie was arrested for? Yeah. Captain America 3: Civil War. The writers didn't even BRING THIS UP. War Machine WAS CRIPPLED over this whole thing. THE KING OF WAKANDA WAS KILLED IN THIS ATTACK. And there's another point in this episode that REALLY drives home that they DIDN'T WATCH THE MCU MOVIES. When Nick Fury is talking about how Alexander Pierce was a mediocre man... Nick Fury had a TON of trust and respect for him. And though he betrayed Nick, "Mediocre" implies that he was bad at his job, that he was never worthy of it to begin with. What exactly was said about this guy in Winter Soldier? "This man declined a Nobel Peace Prize. He said peace wasn't an achievement, it was a responsibility." - Nick Fury, talking about Alexander Pierce. Yeah. Garbage. The fact that they didn't have even one reference to the UN attack, and that they'd blatantly get Nick Fury and Alexander Pierce's relationship wrong... not ONE person in that writing room remembered this and brought it up. I would consider CA 2 and CA 3 as among the most important material for this show, since secret invasion WANTS to be a spy thriller and those movies are two of the most important movies that are largely spy thrillers. Its honestly embarrassing.

[@adlcnyc]

I was wondering why people are not liking secret invasion, and your comment made a lot of sense since i just recently watched CA 2 and CA 3

[@KarazolaX]

@@Anoneemus_Noename Honestly I think I just refreshed myself at the most opportune time lol.

[@sterlingarcher74]

Yeah and what happened to Rhodey’s robo leg braces? Why does he suddenly not need them? Did he fix the nerve damage in his legs? Was it extremis?

[@AmyStarZ]

I love 🍷❤😅

[@KarazolaX]

@@sterlingarcher74 Rhodey survived the snap, and it was just implied that he'd recovered from the injury during that skip. Honestly? If he really is a Skrull, I would ACTUALLY give them credit if the real Brody was still crippled. That would actually be kinda brilliant, if them never explaining his recovery was a hint that he was replaced by a Skrull. But since the Skrulls steal the memories of their victims, it doesn't cure the problem with this scene. Everyone should have remembered when that exact scenario had already played out and brought it to attention as a possibility.

[@RichSmithson]

MCU collapsed after End Game. The average person doesn't care and can't keep up with everything Disney is throwing at them. This is what happens when you oversaturate a market, and thats before I even mention all the Woke pandering. Its sad because I was really looking forward to the X-Men reboot, but my faith in Feige and Marvel is gone.

[@mbern4530]

They should have jumped straight into the x-men after endgame. Superhero movies were always going to have a shelf life like all popular genres across the decades and they should have kept producing content with their most popular characters to maximize their profits. This is like how westerns fell out of popularity and never recovered, someday nobody will want to see superheroes again.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Lol X men will be woke trash and I certainly don't trust Disney with Deadpool

[@jarrettmaynard6306]

So it collapsed with No Way Home right? Or Guardians 3?

[@harbl99]

_Secret Invasion_ starts. And meanwhile no one talks about the huge Celestial sticking out of the Indian Ocean. "Just ignore it. Sail around it. Don't look directly at it. It's not there if you don't think about it."

[@FF-yf4iw]

The Not So Secret Evasion of the audience leaving should be this shows title

[@eurosalamander]

I just want to ask Disney ”Are the Legacy characters still there, taking the lead, kicking ass, and loving what they do?” Thor? No. Tony? No. Cap? No. Bruce? No. Hawkeye? No. Seriously, they either killed, crippled, retired, bummed out or driven off EVERYBODY that MADE this franchise!! And they’re trying to replace them all with female characters that nobody like! And NONE of them seem to get why people hate most things they’ve put out since Endgame.

[@antiseth3964]

At some point, all these characters were going to retire. I don’t blame them for that. The problem is that Disney had an opportunity to give us new characters to bond with, and they keep messing it up. Rather than trying to create characters from the ground up and make us connect with them through quality writing, they keep trying to introduce them as discount versions of the original heroes, all of whom are trying to play pretend on the part of their predecessors.

[@amapnamedpam]

@@antiseth3964 my thing is why not recast most of them and just continue. the only ones i feel you couldnt recast is iron man, cap, and thor.

[@blazichaos7181]

@@amapnamedpam tbh im fine with charecters being put away after having a good and satisfying end to their story... (But Marvel apparently disagree's with me because they'd rather drag legacies through the mud). Except Black Panther, there was no reason why T'Challa shouldn't have been recasted, especially if they were just gonna drag out the black panther suit anyway.

[@mr.sinjin-smyth]

That's what happens (been said many times over) when you hire based on check boxes and focus on agenda / ideology, rather than making a good product that will generate money and long lasting appeal.

[@michael8372]

#CancelYourDisneyPlus

[@eyzmaster]

@@michael8372 I cant believe people still pay for streaming services.. nobody knows streamio?

[@DavidByrden1]

Do we think that young, creative writers are still submitting scripts to Hollywood like they always did? And are they now being sent back, marked "Not woke enough - make the following changes" ? And wouldn't any self respecting creative simply walk away from that?

[@TypeLproductions]

Not if you wanna have a job lol this is a working world

[@blackdynamite_5470]

I cried when The Kree Leader said: _"You've gotta do better Senator"_ Such a powerful speech 😭

[@ynkybomber]

Honestly the quality of writing for the MCU has gone off a cliff

[@ohbejuankenobi663]

Secret Incasion is the unenthusiastic hand job of the mcu

[@creepycassette]

Complete with the dead eyed thousand yard stare.

[@crakhaed]

Sounds like a horror porno

[@jonfreeman9682]

Pretty much but hey at least Nick Fury gets his own show now. I've always been a fan of Samuel L Jackson. 🤘

[@ohbejuankenobi663]

@@jonfreeman9682 yeah a show that tells him he is responsible for things he has no control over and that he is a piece of crap because he is a older man. Give me the Hoff move any day over this crap.

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@jonfreeman9682”at least Nick Fury gets his own show, even though he’s cucked numerous times and character assassinated, but hey at least he got his own show” 🤡🤡🤡

[@lance134679]

Secret Invasion is even a secret from the viewers.

[@PipJim80]

This is another example of the great reset. We’re IN the great reset right now. They’re actively spending billions on destroying all these characters and franchises one by one so they can be replaced by bland, AI written, inoffensive characters that won’t inspire and keep people under control. We’ll soon have a generation of kids who don’t know any better and it will be normalised. It’s the only explanation for why Disney keep doubling down on this garbage

[@walkertexasraymond]

You’re giving them too much credit, I think they genuinely think they are helping change the world and making it better. It’s delusional. Not calculated.

[@JackdotC]

Please go touch grass, also consider therapy.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

You would think Fury would escape humiliation since he is black and has one eye, but no...

[@smelltheglove2038]

There are shit tons of amazing books out there written before 2000.

[@PipJim80]

@@walkertexasraymond oh yeah absolutely, they’re hiring a diverse group of puppets to create their sludge under the narrative that they’re changing the world for the better. But at the top this should have ended by now because they’re losing money hand over fist. They’re surely aware there can be different approaches to promoting a woke agenda that don’t involve pissing the fan base off by destroying characters and writing crap stories.

[@stub4958]

So, what I'm gathering from the plot description, they blame Fury for not finding them a home. Thing is, wasn't Capt Marvel going to do that? At the end of her movie, didn't she lead a ship full of them into space to find them a home? Wasn't that what she was doing between then and 'End game"? I guess she failed and it's Fury's fault.

[@oscargruber8582]

It's also weird that that movie took place in the 90s and Captain Marvel was able to find Tony and Nebula in a random part of Space and bring them back home. So she's clearly capable of traveling Space without a problem, you're telling me she was never able to find anything?

[@Kernwadi]

"Grass is green." -Abraham Lincoln

[@Kernwadi]

Let that sink in...

[@ramert32]

Everything that is blue isn't necessarily the sky - Bilbo Baggins

[@Kernwadi]

@@ramert32 Facts.

[@kingleech16]

Lies!! The green belongs to Fringy!

[@popcultking]

As a die hard fan of the mcu the movies and shows slowly feel like they are blending together into a formulaic propagated newspaper rather than a creative cinematic universe that it once was

[@dontgiveinfo]

which i believe was their purpose all along. The schooling system has decimated humanities ability to use critical thinking skills. They created a world of empty recepticals to be empty and to receive the message

[@JustapErson]

This. It stopped being a universe and started being MCU 18, MCU 19, MCU 20 (I don't know how many projects there are now but you get my idea).

[@jarrettmaynard6306]

You can't say every project is like that when we have amazing movies post Endgame like Guardians 3 and NWH, even Shang Chi was great

[@popcultking]

@@jarrettmaynard6306 It's not a cinematic universe anymore, and its slowly dying each year overall ratings get worse and worse

[@jarrettmaynard6306]

@@popcultking Oh yeah believe the rotten tomatoes ratings, real good way to understand how people feel about the movies, totally. Did you ignore the movies I just said? If you wanna talk about "scoring" all those did really well, in fact Guardians 3 did better than most of the movies from before Endgame. Your bitching about where it's at won't do a damn thing about the state of the MCU, people need to provide actual constructive criticism

[@gladiatorscoops4907]

So its ok to use AI art - just no AI scripts. The Writers are basically the Skrulls at this point. And just in case its missed - One of the core reasons why people are pissed that the intro sequence is AI generated is because Marvel wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the artistic genius of guys like Steve Ditko, Jack Kirby, John Romita, Sal Buscema to name a few - Using AI generated art instead of hiring an artist/designer with some creative talent is basically p*****g over the legacy of those mentioned and many more top artists.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

That is because AI can only copy and paste for it can't think outside the box or put any soul in it for that is art and not a soulless product like what the AI is going to do.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Or just use comic book pages, people love fanservice...

[@scorpixel1866]

​​​@@JustTooDamnHonest If that was truly the case then real artists would not be afraid of it. Reality is most customers don't care about "soul", just functional and pretty stuff, we've seen it in manufacturing already, yet artisans still exist despite Ikea & Co pumping out enough chairs to pile them up to the Everest.

[@Gnarfendorf]

​@@scorpixel1866i dont think they are afraid of AI overtaking them in quality, they are afraid of becoming obsolete because corpos and normie consumers wont care if the quality is at least half decent. Why hire an artist when you can just push a few buttons on a keyboard to get a product that will still sell decently enough?

[@lalehiandeity1649]

@@GnarfendorfAnd then thousands of people will be out of a job.

[@andethidialbubabibub3261]

Secret invasion is just people in empty rooms telling each other the plot.. 😅

[@fritzguldenpfennig2486]

Such a massive shame that an amazing arc like Secret Invasion was relegated to a throwaway Disney + Series. It deserved so much more

[@Trollificusv2]

"How bad does Disney want to lose?" I've been frustrated trying to come up with something that conveys how absolutely, inexplicably, mystifyingly incompetent and anti-success Disney/Lucas/MCU/DCEU/etc have been over the last decade or so. Here goes, this is how bad it has seemed to me: It's like a T-ball game, for pre-schoolers, and one little kid goes up with the bat, they place the ball on the tee...and he whiffs. It happens. Tries again...and he whiffs. And again. And again. He's missing so badly he's not even hitting the tee so they can pretend he's hit the ball and get him to run down to first base. An adult gets behind him, and helps him swing...SOMEHOW IT STILL MISSES! And again! They tape the bat to the kids' hands, and the burliest adult picks him up by his feet and swings him...WHAM! ZERO CONTACT!! The game is halted while they try to figure out some way to combine "this kid" and "contact with the ball". I can't imagine how it ends...maybe the sun sets and they all go home, with some of them getting lost, others getting run over, some making it home but with members of someone else's family. Now add in that it was costing them $100 million/swing. THAT's how bad Hollywood has f'ed up the magical, fantastical stories of my childhood. Gotta admit, the degree of failure is pretty magical and fantastical in itself though.

[@hemaka482]

I don't think Disney "want to lose" as MauLer said. They simply want to win so so desperately, that they'll end up losing in the end (which is, like right now).

[@LeoJay]

Honestly get that AI writing bot to work, it's literally better than those hacks who dare to call themselves writers.

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

The Skrulls' motivation in this show pretty much follows the same checkbox of Scarlet Witch.

[@coreyfreeman4663]

You and Mr. H together is top Internet entertainment to me. 👍🏾

[@jonfreeman9682]

They tell it like it is.

[@MyShiroyuki]

I can imagine the Skrulls wanted a world that already has the infrastructure built and isn’t already inhabited. And acting like spoiled children whenever shown a possible new world.

[@VilanceD]

I appreciate that you guys do this, I really like your individual channels but it’s neat to see you all work thru this together. Keep up the good work!

[@MikkoSimila]

They are not doing good work. They have no idea about anything. They just trash for sake of content. 😂 even monkey understand not to trust anything we see on Screen of the Secret Invasion. I don't trust even the dialogue. From first episode we saw Nick Fury using fake limbing. 😂 If that is even Nick Fury and not Skrull. 😂 Emilia Clarke is playing Leonardo Dicaprio from The Departed. Gravik is villain. Those are all the facts that has occured in Secret Invasion and rest might be fake. Granted it's not Agatha Christie, but it's fine tv show. And i can see that they try to go Agatha Christie route. Because i have actual 🧠.

[@heartysquid]

It's like a group therapy session we can all enjoy!

[@Tenno222]

I love the smell of Disney crashing in the morning . They deserve every bit of it

[@moseshorowitz4345]

So, the planet Thanos was living on doesn't exist anymore? He's not using it.

[@timothygremlin9737]

The final "I hate what it is" of Drinker with a fade out is pretty much a representation of the fatigue we all have at this point. Can it get any worse? When will the good stuff come out?? I want Iron Man :(

[@HiddenHandMedia]

Fatigue is an excuse. If they made good content people would watch.

[@Silverblade416]

Iron Man can come back. . . When the production of the MCU is no longer woke, and in its proper place.

[@oxmeatpete]

Watching Disney+ is like daily reading the obituaries in the newspaper

[@benzielke7149]

This really makes me wonder what the actors (especially Jackson) truly think about what they are doing.... It's to the point now when they get offered a part in something like this and probably think to themselves "cool! I can bank another 50 million of this shi*! Who cares what the plot or the story is, just pay me biotch!!!" I am certain now that as long as they get enough money thrown at them even if they don't need more they take it anyway... No one cares about whether the material or product is genuinely entertaining and possibly meaningful in some way to someone. Not the writers, not the actors, wtf!?!!?

[@prkr07]

Here's a riddle for you: What's the difference between fanfiction and the current MCU? Answer: One's a shoddily-written mess full of half-baked ideas, Mary Sues, dialogue so cheesy you can smell limburger, and character bashing, and the other...is fanfiction.

[@Silverblade416]

Damn. . . It got *THAT* bad, huh.

[@shanonsnyder9450]

You forgot the self inserts

[@dariusq8894]

At least fan fiction is written by someone who theoretically likes the source content. The MCU is now written by opportunistic activists who are just looking to use 'current popular media' as sociopolitical propaganda.

[@hope-cat4894]

And fanfiction is free. Disney wants us to pay for this.

[@juice7116]

@@hope-cat4894soap2day:

[@lance134679]

I'm also not so pumped for how we finally get a chance for Maria Hill to do have more than a couple lines, but they make her insufferable before killing her off. What was the point of putting her in all those previous movies?

[@jonnyg9865]

Thought she was going to do a heel turn during Civil War but nothing ever came of it. Wasted opportunity.

[@visitingforgefather5997]

Okay so correct me if i'm wrong. So the alien species that has a SPACESHIP with a working FTL drive are pissed the humans, who as of yet have no been able to land a person farther then the moon close to their planet, have not helped them find a new planet to settle on? Is that the actual plot of this show?

[@gonescating7019]

I have not watched one Marvel thing since Endgame and sounds like its for the best

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Lol I almost watched Thor 4 then I saw the trailer. It looked garbage

[@jarrettmaynard6306]

So you won't watch Guardians 3 or No Way Home? Some of the best content MCU has ever produced? Ok buddy

[@gonescating7019]

@@jarrettmaynard6306 Nope, no plans to watch them. Past Endgame I just don't care about the over all story connecting the films. Even if they are the best, it would just be watching two films in a void with no connection to anything, so no point.

[@jarrettmaynard6306]

@gonescating7019 Sorry man but that logic is kinda just flawed. Even if you feel they aren't connected to the overall universe, Guardians 3 is very much a concentrated story on the Guardians and rocket's backstory, if you cared about Guardians 1 and 2 then Guardians 3 you'd love cause it's focused on closing out their arc, and it's easily the best final movie in a superhero trilogy in the last 10 years. Also NWH is more of a complete celebration of the spiderman legacy done really fuckin well. It's just kinda ignorant to pass on those movies just cause they don't connect to the larger scope of marvel. Would you skip on, say, the dark knight rises after seeing dark knight and batman begins? That's basically what you're doing w guardians

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

@jarrettmaynard6306 Meh. NWH was clearly fan service. Tom holland is boring as fuck so they had to include all his villians and all the other Spiderman versions to make it remotely interesting. The Batman still beat it with 3 oscar nominations and a perfect 10 score from ign. I think Spiderman is OP and overrated as shit. His villians are mostly just B grade knock offs of Batman villians too. Black cat is just Catwoman. Goblin is just Joker. Rhino is just Bane. And so on. Guardians 1 was OK. But 2 was average trash at best. Only the final half hour of the film was good. I have no desire to watch anymore marvel drivel from that point. The entire mcu is fucking trash.

[@johns9969]

Disney downfall is not only the studios, it's the theme parks. They've done the impossible - made Disney family unfriendly.

[@brandonlanier8599]

Literally no one in the wild is talking about this show 😂

[@samspurgeon4222]

It seems this show was written by people who never saw a spy thriller, just like She Hulk was written by people who never watched a show using a courtroom setting

[@Kernwadi]

*IMAGINE MY SHOCK*

[@EthanGeorc]

They tried to cancel Echo, but people working on it are deaf, so they did not hear it and continue working on it.

[@Parasmunt]

The only entertainment these corporations give us now is in watching their declining revenues.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Gi'ah: "Dracarys!" *transforms into a fire breathing Dragon*

[@michaellee8815]

Loki had the highest “excited to disappointed” ratio of all MCU things except for Love and Thunder (post endgame). They did Loki so dirty, it’s horrible. The MCU is dead

[@Droll3]

9:28 Drinker can't take it anymore. XD

[@arandantesamus]

Imagine, for Marvel's 20th anniversary, in the final act of the final Avengers-type movie... The villain plans to annihilate the multiverse with a mcguffin, he activates it, the screen goes white..... And it fades back to the moment just before Thanos snaps in Infinity War. He hesitates, allowing Thor to properly kill him and the movie ends.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Lol I highly doubt it'll even be relevant then. It barely is now

[@minalinanina]

@@dcmastermindfirst9418 the 'blip' (which killed quadrillions of people) is now just glossed over as a minor accident that set things off for a few months. Endgame and TFATWS handled it semi-decently, but apart from that, it's like it never even happened at all.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

@yasmineblue2829 Yeah. Feige should have just ended it and waited two years then do X men and fantastic 4.

[@arandantesamus]

@@minalinanina They had such a strong foundation for a multiverse story with the blip. Maybe the characters who did the snapping underestimated the power of the stones + gauntlet, and each snap distorted/affected the flow of their dimension that it attracts the attention of an all powerful, multiversal entity (built up over a few movies just like the first 10 years of Marvel) who needs to keep things in order otherwise all of existence will end. And it does so by removing the MCU's entire "dimensional branch" from "the source". Every character capable of travelling through dimensions also senses this entity. Some get enticed by its power (Scarlett Witch, potentially and/or an X-Men character), some have to stop it (Dr Strange/Shang Chi), and others try to find an alternate solution. But instead we get the multiverse because Loki escaped with the space stone and hung out with his genderbent self.

[@Kernwadi]

The Token Green is moving up in the world. Good for him.

[@Kernwadi]

Good job, Fringhey.

[@ianhines2302]

Nourgh

[@coltonpatterson5409]

categorically so

[@ryanbarker5217]

it's so unusual that a sci-fi show with emilia clarke in it fails. i mean, what are the odds?

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Because nobody cares after Game of thrones Because season 8 sucked ass

[@kingleech16]

She really needs to get the scripts before signing on. Or see a priest about lifting a curse.

[@breezus3928]

She's a walking bad luck charm lol.

[@simcard027]

someone needs to wrestle this franchise from the mediocre hacks who are ruining it and give it to someone who respects it, who has talent and who will bring it back to its former glory

[@smelltheglove2038]

It doesn’t matter. Even if the movies were as “good” as some people thought these movies were at one point(I never thought superhero movies were good, just to shine a light on my bias), their time is up. The fad is over. They’ve been making these movies for almost 20 years now. People are over it. You could make the greatest superhero movie of all time, and it would still fail. All the young kids that were into at one point have grown out of it. All the middle aged women who were into the it have moved on. The fad is over. Comic book fans should rejoice! Now you don’t have a bunch of casuals watering down your scene.

[@simcard027]

@@smelltheglove2038 i disagree i think if they made good superhero movies there are plenty of people, myself included, who are willing to fork out the dollars to see them

[@smelltheglove2038]

@@simcard027 you are making my point. Comic book fans would still go, but hate to break it to you, comic book fans aren’t a large enough demographic to make it a hit. You’d need normies to show up too, and they’ve moved on.

[@gazem_3211]

@smelltheglove2038 "You could make the grease superhero film of all time and it would still fail" GOTG Vol 3, Across the Spider-verse and The Batman would like a word with you.

[@smelltheglove2038]

@@gazem_3211 none of the movies you listed came close to the box office numbers previous comicbook movies had. Guardians only did well because it was the last of a series. What about the other dozen of so shows and movies that have all failed? You can’t point to an exception and pretend that it’s the rule.

[@wifine1951]

I hope Disney goes bankrupt

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

They will at this rate. And losing some 200 billion isn't helping either

[@youtubegoogleb]

I for one welcome our A.I overlords and the chatgpt scripts to come. Can’t be worse than the writing we get by blue hairs and troons

[@PJ-io8pl]

Thanos had an entire lush, beautiful, garden planet to himself. Tell me again why the Skrulls can’t find a safe home anywhere in the entire universe?

[@SilentTraveller21]

Maybe Thanos created that planet with the stones before he destroyed them

[@oXRaptorzXo]

Earth like planets are very rare. Think about how we have never discovered one

[@PJ-io8pl]

@@SilentTraveller21 And as far as we know the planet is still around, and uninhabited. So………?

[@PJ-io8pl]

@@oXRaptorzXoWe’ve seen tons of planets that can support life in the Thor, Guardians, and Captain Marvel movies. I know realistically such planets should be rare, but doesn’t seem to be the case in the MCU. Just give the Skrulls Thanos’ damn garden planet. Doesn’t look like anyone else is living there.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@PJ-io8pl Wasn’t it stated that the skrulls were basically forgotten and no one cares about them? And even if they wanted to give them thanos’s garden planet how would they get a million skrulls there. The skrulls don’t have ships.

[@madmarduk1936]

Funny how SLJ starts using the word incel right when he has a flop.

[@the5thdoctor]

There is no end point for the mcu anymore after endgame. That is where the story should have ended.

[@nickwhite8408]

They've neutered all the vilains, all that back catalogue and the best they can do is a time traveller whit constantly gets his arse handed to him, disgruntled aliens, and an array of badly written, instantly forgettable girl bosses, meh

[@spacebwoy]

The vehicles in "Russia" are all right hand drive I noticed, which seems a very obvious oversight.

[@scratchtastic4450]

Its SO stupid that the Skrulls are angry at Nick Fury/ humanity for not finding them a world. A people WITHOUT space travel technology THAT THEY POSESS! But even so, why not tell them go live on Thanos's retirement planet?! It was a completely empty habitable world.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

This is completely asinine and Jake Fury is another character assassination.

[@planetbob6703]

Guardians of the galaxy: Habitable space stations, moons and planets everywhere. Thor: Same The guardians: Enough habitable planets to act as eggs for space gods Thanos spent years going from planet to planet to reduce the massive population Skrull: "nO fInD pLaNeT"

[@erroneous6947]

What bothers me more is why would a space traveling society come to us for help. We barely made it to the moon. How are we going to find them a planet outside our solar system. Horrible writing. Also why not make them a colony on Ganymede or another gas giants moon. At least there would be plenty of water.

[@hope-cat4894]

It would be smart writing if they used that as an example of the Skrulls lying or being so selfish that they refuse to live among other populations. 😔

[@1stCallipostle]

Mfs figured out advanced space travel but not terraforming

[@ripperrex7883]

Could also be no one else wants them, for good reason. 🤣

[@Aikurisu]

Seeing Drinker take that gun out to end it all is pretty much how most of us feel about Disney content in a nutshell. XD

[@Zac_Frost]

Missed this one last night because I had to work, but it's nice to see Mr. H back on. He's always a treat to have on. Either from snappy quips or insightful observation.

[@Suavecenzo]

Mr. H and The Critical Drinker. Two of my favorite KZbinr’s. More of this power combo please! You both have great perspectives on these things. Keep up the good work! 😎

[@femiairboy94]

No such thing as superhero fatigue. We’ve seen from invincible and the boys, what we’re tired of is the formulaic “good guy beats bad guy until bigger bad guy comes along” script that Disney shits out all the time.

[@1stCallipostle]

I feel like that novelty could easily wear off soon. Like DC's dark and gritty takes on everything was novel at one point, and has since gotten boring as well. All of it probably needs to take a rest for a while

[@gregbillings]

I looked forward to Secret Invasion, because I, like many, are Sam Jackson fans - but they neutered him because...... of the blip? *rolls eyes* and the dude has a scrull wife????? RIP Nick Fury

[@davidwatsonillustrations3445]

They're determined to make every legacy character so unlikeable now, even Nick Fury himself, who was once cool, is now a complete asshole, Rhodey was always an asshole but they've ramped that up too

[@Memememe-is1yn]

This reminds me of the last 2 episodes of Picard, season 3. The constant personal issues being discussed by the main characters and debates about if they should save their friends or THE ENTIRE FEDERATION. They were not cadets, remember, they were all veterans with DECADES of experience saving the lives of others or retired. Edit: And that was the GOOD season.

[@jwroot]

I'm SO Happy I ended the MCU off with James Gunn's Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3. My suffering through this degrading franchise is finally over. And I might not be the only fan who's done the same thing.

[@indiajohnson]

You're not. I just didn't bother with much anything else until Guardians 3 and to me it was worth it.

[@original-australian_OG]

1. That's not Fury. 2. Last time I was this early, there was only 2 sexes.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Nobody said a word about sex in the show or in the video.

[@daryltor7608]

This is like the 10th time you guys said it’s been collapsing. The brand probably, but not really the company.

[@WiiSage]

They made Fury into a sad washed up old man.

[@shiggydiggy6847]

The depressing thing is that since Disney is still making money due to the parks being massively profitable. They can still produce garbage series/films for years before it becomes a truly pressing need to kick out Kathleen Kennedy and good chunk of people she hired.

[@GIBBO4182]

Another show no one asked for or wanted…

[@benn125m]

Remember when we were excited to see the new stuff ,we were waiting for the new movies , we used to binge watch the mcu movies before the new one ,it were good times..then suddenly everything and everyone gets destroyed . We are uninterested in everything and my emotions are more fear that they are going to mock and ruin yet another great character. It is just sad at this point. Make it stooop

[@Azhalan]

I got a code for one year of Disney+ for free that went with my phone and tablet. Didn't even use it. It's sad to see what has become of every single franchise that company has gotten a hold of 😢

[@pierrebousquet2898]

It would be more fascinating to watch a movie about what is going on in those studios

[@reval1989]

Disney: We can’t cancel that show/movie because it has a “insert minority” in it so it’s fine that we lose hundreds of millions of dollars And people will still say this is capitalism

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

it is corporatism

[@bcvetkov8534]

I didn't even know this came out. Im dead serious. The fact they revealed a cat scratched out Nick's eye in Captain Marvel ruined any interest I have for him in future movies.

[@mrnicktoyou]

Nobody cared or cares about Samuel L Jackson, or Scarlet Johansen, Mark Ruffalo, or that Olsen sister, Brie etc. All we ever wanted to see was Robert Downey Jr and Chris Pratt and Hemsworth. They carried the MCU and none of the other cast matter.

[@liamphibia]

Some shil-err I mean, "fans" are claiming that Secret Invasion is the Andor for Marvel, which is so *hilarious* to me.

[@charleshurst1015]

You guys are describing the same problems that comic books have in general: characters who've existed for decades without actual storylines. Some authors have done amazing things with them, but the stories just keep going for no real reason. Good stories are meant to end at some point. The Original MCU arc that took us through Endgame worked because there was a definitive end. At this point, it's just continuing for no reason. Without an actual story to tell, it's just empty spectacle

[@PhelanPKell]

Disparu basically hits on it in the first minute and a half. The leader of the Skrull "rebellion" is basically a child throwing a tantrum over Nick Fury disappearing for 5 years, coming back a broken man, and because of that breaking his promise to find them a new planet. Ya know, as if he personally has the technology they need to find a new planet. It's not like the ship they were using wasn't basically a Skrull ship or anything. He's not even remotely likeable as a villain.

[@bilosdiogee410]

Holy crap! Mr h and crit drinker on same channel, my fav two Europeans! Nice way to wake up!