2020 Russian GP Race Review | WTF1 Podcast

Was Lewis Hamilton's penalty fair? Is Sochi's Turn 2 dangerous? Could Sergio Perez be Red Bull's best option for 2021? Join Matt and Tommy as they discuss the 2020 Russian Grand Prix.
SUBSCRIBE to WTF1 bit.ly/WTF1Subs...
---- Follow WTF1 ----
On Twitter: / wtf1official
On TikTok: / wtf1official
On Instagram: / wtf1official
On Facebook: / wtf1official
On our website: www.wtf1.com
---- Music provided by ----
Epidemic Sound
www.epidemicsou...
#wtf1podcast #russiangp

[@paulkloos3011]

You guys clearly forgot that Vettel held off the Renaults for quite some time, so his teammate could get that P6. Not E at all ...

[@_marcelg]

Yes and he wasn't far away at pace that weekend.

[@ameliataylor4857]

yes! he was held back playing the team game

[@neb-yr5589]

And he did 30 laps on used mediums and 22 on hard tires.

[@virgilkhanh7983]

plus the fact that Vettel confirmed that Ferrari left him out dry to held off Renault to favor Leclerc. Possibly the only reason why Leclerc even managed to get p6

[@nicktrains2234]

Leclerc punting off another driver and still getting an a? I think I just realised why matty is a schumi fan (just a joke)

[@ZEROxFUSIONZ]

Ollie predicted no red flags. We got a red flag in qualifying and he didn't specify no red flag in the race 😉

[@24pagedown]

Guys cmon, did you watch the race. I’m not saying Vettel’s performance was good, but if you were watching he was blocking/defending for Leclerc for the majority of the race. He held off both Ocon and Ricciardo for quite a few laps which gave Charles a lot of breathing room. As for his crash in qualifying he took the curb just like everyone else yet his car was destabilized and he crashed.

[@rjharikumar6555]

He didn't hold off Ricciardo for long though. Ricciardo was catching Ocon when Ocon was stuck behind Vettel. And once Ocon let him through, he went past Vettel pretty quickly.

[@neb-yr5589]

Vettel did 30 laps on used Mediums and 22 on Hards. Ferrari logic.

[@24pagedown]

Deez Noots I agree, it made logical sense for Ferrari to maximize Leclerc’s points by getting Vettel to block and as you say Vettel was only likely to get 1 point.

[@aayush2303]

@@deeznoots6241 he could have actually ended up 8th considering how close kvyat was to Ocon

[@aliashoor1918]

Leclerc keeps escaping penalties , first driving without seatbelt in spain and now incident with stroll in sochi

[@redlightning2322]

Gotta love being a Ferrari driver

[@TheLibermania]

Don't forget breaching quarantine rules.

[@TheLibermania]

@@redlightning2322 Gotta live his manager. The son of the FIA boss.

[@redlightning2322]

@@TheLibermania too true

[@DileepKumar-ux5qq]

Add to that german 2019 ..pit stop release

[@ChrisIbanezzz]

Thought I was the first comment, but Lewis Hamilton came in at the literally the last second and commented faster than me.

[@moldytexas]

Damnnnn bruh 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mabra33]

That Mercedes even assisting him on social media now

[@kazzenyj8460]

Bee on your keyboard?

[@Ravakeksis]

And he achieved this on his scooter

[@biscuitcase83]

I like Lewis but he is not making it easy to defend him. His attitude is atrocious

[@stevensamuel4634]

On Leclerc not getting a penalty, should note that Albon got a penalty for a similar incident in Silverstone when hitting Magnussen on Lap 1

[@biscuitcase83]

Lance's spacial awareness is awful, he was wandering across you can see that...in the hectic first turns of a race I'd ask you just where you expect Charles to go? It was deemed a racing incident because blame cannot be placed on one individual

[@timmurphy4844]

@@biscuitcase83 poor hartley remembers

[@sandenson]

@@biscuitcase83 Lance was literally riding the sausage kerbs to give enough space for Charles, what are you talking about?

[@biscuitcase83]

@@sandenson think you need to watch again. He was starting to come across. I blame neither. A lot of incidents like this happen at the first corners. It's not like Japan 2019 where Leclerc punted Verstappen off in a move 100% Charles' fault. Which he got a penalty for

[@loci5327]

I absolutely disagree with your opinion about Vettel. Sure he didn't make it like Charles. BUT: Ferrari not caring about him anymore, the car was designed for Charles, every wish for car design comes from Charles. Than the mistrust against him since 2018/2019, engineers look like idiots when he asks things on the radio. NOBODY, literally NOBODY (even your loved Verstappen) would not perform well if the team didn't give his driver the support he needs. Hamilton hasn't won 6(7) titles, if Toto Wolff (and the team) doesn't make him comfortable. Red Bull literally licking Verstappen's ass (justifiably). SO: don't be so harsh on him. I bet he will strike back, when he is in an environment where everybody works with him on the same level. Then I'm curious what you will say about him.

[@ZJTelectronicmusic]

Loci I absolutely agree with you, that Ferrari is suited for leclerc and not vettel. Vettel will only deliver good results in a car he is comfortable driving

[@bob62947]

There is literally zero point in trying to defend Hamilton when it comes to Matt's comments and opinions on Hamilton. He's a Ferrari fan boy and refuses to acknowledge anything that he does well. I continue to follow his race reviews but tbh they're biased as fuck and just annoying to listen to as a regular formula 1 fan.

[@whysrumgone]

@@bob62947 how is this a relevant reply to the comment above? The only mention of Hamilton in it was in reference to his championships.

[@neb-yr5589]

Vettel did 30 laps on used medium tires and 22 on Hards.

[@bob62947]

@@whysrumgone oh it doesn't. I've just been annoyed since the race review and commented on the first post I saw someone mention Hamilton 😂 sorry for the confusion.

[@abbysmith9129]

i felt the same way about this race as matty felt about mugello. a lot happened but it just didn’t feel very exciting to me.

[@redlightning2322]

It was only like a couple laps that were interesting filled with the most boring moments bc of the track layout

[@wassil97]

35:26 "Overall Albon is having a similar season to Gasly" People tend to forget that Gasly only had half a season with RB where Albon is going for a season and a half Not to forget that Gasly was fighting with the Ferraris who where competitive last year when Albon has the 2nd best car this season so this is not comparable at all. So i don't get why Gasly received so much hate compared to all the hype we're getting of Albon since last year

[@SG-mf7em]

Cause albon has been fighting for podiums and going for risky moves. He’s going the “Red Bull way” while gasly at Red Bull got stuck and didn’t make moves.

[@stighald]

@@SG-mf7em Well risky moves has to pay off at some point otherwise it's just money wasted. He has to secure more points otherwise Redbull will not have a championship until Hamilton or Toto retires.

[@SBK_KARTING]

Albon has been very overrated I agree. Dunno why Horner praises him so much and supports him when others talk him down. He didn’t do that for Gasly I don’t recall. Finishing 10th when your teammate is in P2 is just not on and was it 1.1 seconds off Verstappen in Qualifying?

[@wassil97]

@@SG-mf7em Of course he is going to have more opportunities to fight for podiums when he is given 3x times the amount of race that Gasly did. The comparaison is just unfair and Gasly wasn't treated the same than Albon is treated by Helmut and Horner right now

[@itsvizor171]

I don’t mind Red Bull giving Alex time to gain his confidence, it’s a pressure cooker and he deserves to be given time seeing how long Max was given, but I don’t agree with how much Pierre was criticised during his stint with RB, they backstabbed him again and again and never gave him a chance to prove himself, but Alex gets so much cushion from them. They brought in Simon for him, they defend him fiercely and back him even for his poor performances (which they should, they are his team) but Pierre was never afforded that margin from them. It’s just so unfair from both Christian and Helmut how they treated Pierre and how they treat Alex. I’m just so mad how badly Pierre was received by them. Christian was giving suspenseful monologues to Netflix behind Pierre’s back and Helmut was being Helmut in the media. It’s just not fair towards Pierre.

[@benparry4451]

why was matt making out a 6 time world champion could get a ban as shocking when schumacher got a race ban and known fo his dirty driving

[@redlightning2322]

Well first off matt is a schumi fanboy and has admitted it before. Also Schumi got a 2 year ban and Then also got dq in 97 after Jerez

[@benparry4451]

@@redlightning2322 Ye so y is he so shocked about it

[@jrossofskb]

@@benparry4451 Good question!

[@blocktexas4211]

Probably because HAM usually doesn't make mistakes or is not considered a dirty driver

[@redlightning2322]

@@benparry4451 if ots your favorite driver you look past the bad and only focus on the good. For instance I'm a Seb fan I don't look at Multi 21 or him spinning the rear of the car

[@DruMMerBoY4321]

"i'm down for that so michael's record stays intact".... Matt's vocal displeasure of lewis and his recent domination this year finally makes more sense beyond the obvious joke that was the "I just want F1 to be competitive again" justification lol.

[@MS-xz6kh]

Something I've noticed for quite sometime.he has so much dislike for Hamilton

[@biscuitcase83]

He has as much right to voice his opinion as you do. Whether you like it or not. I'm of the opinion that it is somewhat bittersweet considering what happened to Micheal and he's unable to still be a part of F1 and hand the mantle over to Lewis so to speak. There are many people who like Lewis but lament him beating those records. He deserves to...but like I said bittersweet. Stop accusing everyone of hating. Matt doesn't hate Lewis.

[@biscuitcase83]

Also, even during Michael's time, his domination was not quite so absolute. That's the point

[@DruMMerBoY4321]

@@biscuitcase83 Of course he can have his own opinion about it, everyone can, its just depressing to see someone week in and out hope for bad things to happen to a driver's race just so a record (which all are meant to be broken) a former driver set, be surpassed.

[@biscuitcase83]

@@DruMMerBoY4321 You know he doesn't really mean it, right? He's not seriously hoping for that, you understand that right? It's not supposed to be taken seriously. It's kind of a meme/joke. Nobody apart from the most disgusting of haters would want someone to lose so unfairly or wish for only bad stuff to happen to them. Just because Matt would like to see others win it doesn't mean he doesn't think Lewis deserves to. There's a difference, mate

[@antardas6734]

WTF1 Prediction Championship: Predictor PTS Fans 0 1. Matt 9.5 2. Tommy 5 3. Oli 1

[@daviddepriest1849]

The re-due of the Singapore sling chicane reminds me of T2

[@joshsmith7521]

Have the stewards ever actually given leclerc a penalty? He seems to get away with so much. I can't think of a penalty they've given him

[@theuncivilwhaleshow1067]

Only one in Japan when he crashed max out of the race even tho they didn’t punish him for driving at 300kph while holding his mirror in a very unsafe way and also with a broken front wing that was losing pieces that nearly collected Lewis’ head

[@_marcelg]

@@theuncivilwhaleshow1067 But only because Red Bull was asking the stewards why there is no investigation.

[@anchitprasad]

I can't understand how he got away with driving two laps without his seatbelts in Spain

[@neb-yr5589]

Simple. His Agent is the son of FIA president. Nicholas Toddt.

[@theuncivilwhaleshow1067]

Marcel Gerber it’s embarrassing honestly

[@danw6530]

Max defended Lewis in the post-race press conference, saying it was too harsh and not what the penalty points are for. Meanwhile VB was SILENT 🤣

[@thelarry383]

VB is always silent

[@george4821]

Let me rephrase that for you: VB is Finnish

[@platypusmusic8843]

He doesn’t talk when not asked

[@aayushkarnik7166]

The run off chicane at T2 is stupid. If a driver approaches it with a shallower angle, there's a very slight chance he makes it through going at those speeds. Sainz proved it. I'm not against the chicane but place it in a better position or reposition the marshal car recovery point which is behind the barrier which makes the chicane narrower at the exit.

[@moldytexas]

Couldn't agree more

[@thewinner2782]

Yeah if you run wide you're absolutely dead, you either slow down to go between the stupid barriers or you get an instant penalty.

[@Yoshik379]

But they are meant to slow down which Sainz didn't do. If he made it, he still wouldn't be punished for cutting the track.

[@ploizinga]

The only reason they are put there is to slow the people that cut the corner down. And yes it might be a little dangerous if the driver takes it too fast but that just makes them more cautious and will make them go slower

[@moldytexas]

@@thewinner2782 or see for yourself if you're capable enough to make up the 5 seconds with the car in front

[@hukuando]

Did anyone else think that Bottas' remarks at the end of the race were a little.... over the top? I don't want to take anything away from him, but I don't think that race really vindicated him tbh.

[@favianmadrid6345]

He did take the fastest lap tho

[@24pagedown]

I think it was more of a immediate response to some of the shit he was catching on his social media i.e. the Instagram comments

[@redlightning2322]

Yeah but Australia last year it made sense. He dominated the race. This one he got lucky with Lewis getting screwed by Merc

[@bynahelemaal]

I feel like he should’ve kept that 2nd ‘to whom it may concern’ line in the bag until he wins his first championship! The first time in Australia was after that first big it’s james moment the precious season and everybody clowned him and he did bottas 2.0 etc. But now it’s just like stfu and win a title before you brag again!

[@24pagedown]

bynahelemaal I wouldn’t say it was bragging. It was “ too that guy on Instagram that said I suck, well guess what I just won so fuck you”. Bragging would be him saying he’s the best, which he’s not saying.

[@Alxpuntalobos]

Your facts are all over the place, when Lewis putted for Hards he was putting fastest laps. Of course he got held up a bit by passing other cars all race long. At the end Hamilton was faster than Bottas and so was Verstappen I don't know why but lately I feel Matt being so much against Lewis I hate to see any biased towards any driver whether it is Lewis or any other drivers.

[@joemannari4545]

No Bottas was faster

[@pr-tj5by]

@@joemannari4545 If he was then it's the first race this year because Hamilton was even much faster than Bottas in Austria when Bottas won his last race.

[@MS-xz6kh]

matt is really biased .and his dislike for Lewis really bothers me

[@NardKoning]

@@pr-tj5by What does Austria have to do with anything? Surely this is just a fact that you can see on the timing sheets? They said that Lewis gets a C because his pace on the hards was worse, even in free air. If you disagree, I am sure you can look up de timing sheet and decide.

[@Alxpuntalobos]

@@NardKoning I would like to see the time sheet you have. Between lap 44 and 50, Verstappen was gaining 0.855 second a lap on Bottas on average. While Hamilton was around the same speed as Bottas, but if you look at the race you will see Lewis had the hards on for awhile compared to Bottas.

[@JoachimLT]

GOOD > DECENT IMO

[@charles-antoinemartel-roy]

Good is definitely better than decent, I agree

[@alexejschlowick5672]

bad-okay-decent-good-great

[@RTPxPJ]

Thumbnail: Is Sochi too dangerous? Should be more like 'Is Sochi too boring?' to which the answer is a definite 'yes'

[@redlightning2322]

Which one do you get rid of Dubai or Sochi

[@lucam42005]

@@redlightning2322 I mean dubai at least is at night, so...

[@Johann_Gambolputty_of_Ulm]

Which is a weird thing, because it has a dangerous part, concurrently being a very boring collection of 90-degree corners and massive run-offs. It shows how bad Tilkedroms got across the years, where we lost all of the fun (like in Instanbul), but did not gain any security... :/ A kingdom AND a horse for a good track designer!

[@XBullitt16X]

Right ? One of the worst tracks on the calender easily, I was literally falling asleep whiel half way through the race. Overall its such a strange and awkwardly designed track, far too many 90 degree corners, is how I best could describe it.

[@Yoshik379]

@@lucam42005 dubai isn't even on the calendar... It should be though. Great track

[@drews4157]

Red Bull signing Perez is their best move imo, although it would go against the junior program, we need another Webber

[@anchitprasad]

@Clorox Bleach Either one works imo. Though I think Hulk is a better team player than Checo and will not have problems with Max.

[@path_090]

Why are we blaming the track for the drivers biting off too much? T2 produced most of the excitement here, and it's track defining. Eau Rouge/Radillion is no less dangerous, natural terrain notwithstanding.

[@Geigerzaehler]

The AvD (Automobilclub von Deutschland) as owner of the Hockenheimring has the copyright for the name „German GP“, so they had to name the race „Eifel GP“ after the region where Nürburgring is located.

[@emrawlings18]

"we can sense who's going into that alpha seat from F2" Me: Callum Everyone else: Mick

[@davidalt92]

Emily Rawlings I think whoever wins the F2 title should get the Alfa seat. Atm all signs point to Mick Schumacher because he’s leading the Championship atm. But id be annoyed if Calum Ilott or Robert Schwartzman miss out on an F1 seat

[@emrawlings18]

@@davidalt92 I agree, but I feel like Mick doesn't have to win the championship to get a seat, name aside he's had some insane drives this year and deffo deserves a seat but I feel like Callum has to win to get a seat, he's had an amazing year as well. With Rob I feel like he's not really going anywhere atm and hasn't put in the performances these past couple of weekends for whatever reason so idk if he needs another year in f2 to iron it all out but I guess we'll have to wait and see

[@davidalt92]

Emily Rawlings Yer i think its definitely between Ilott and Schumacher. Both have had a good seasons and hopefully in the next 2 rounds at Bahrain, a worthy winner gets a worthy promotion to F1

[@itsvizor171]

The thing is, Mick can get a seat with or without winning, not just because of his name (it does play a huge role, even if people say it doesn’t. Ferrari want the Schumacher name back in the team and it’s blatant) but he’s been performing well, as for Callum, not ones gonna give him the time of the day if he doesn’t win (he has no famous name) and he can’t afford to do F2 again next season. I’m not discrediting Mick’s effort, but he’s gonna get a seat with a Ferrari B team even if he doesn’t want it. If Callum doesn’t get a seat, I’m gonna be pissed.

[@g.g.baxter4868]

Hamilton a B. He made one mistake in Qually. He asked to go out straight away when there was a clear track. Merc said no, sent him out with everyone else, red flag, and then he had to go on the red tyres or he wouldn’t have heat. Yes he should have nailed the first lap but equally Merc need to stop taking these risks when they have a much faster car. Bottas lost a pole at Magello because they sent him out 7th in the train. Lewis nearly got knocked out here. Just get your drivers out, what if the yellows weren’t fast enough anyway. Lewis and Bottas would have been out with Merc dicking around

[@theuncivilwhaleshow1067]

In valtteris case he let ocon pass him tho he exited the pits after only two seconds behind Lewis he only needed a gap to get a lap done instead he let 2 other cars go by and that cost him pole position

[@g.g.baxter4868]

TheUncivilWhaleShow the point I was making is, with the pace Merc have, there’s no reason to risk going out with everyone else. Just get the lap in

[@theuncivilwhaleshow1067]

G.G. Baxter yeah I get it, I agree they shoot themselves in the foot a lot. I don’t see Mercedes taking the right decisions if competition finally comes back. They look good because they are so far ahead with their car and their driver but their strategies sometimes are just so dumb. Yesterday also by not letting Lewis go longer they cost him 2 place

[@g.g.baxter4868]

TheUncivilWhaleShow safety car pit calls is another big issue. Monza, Austria was another when it seemed clear they needed to pit but fear of losing track position held them back. Yet a Merc on fresh tyres would breeze past Albon on 30+ lap olds. Strat dep is an area of concern for an almost perfect team in every other aspect

[@nathanielstay7618]

@@theuncivilwhaleshow1067 But but but... the AWS tire graphics said 10-20%!! Everyone knows the tire graphics are always right, we need to box Lewis now, instead of 5-10 laps later when he calls for it

[@tobiasnoll8944]

I feel Like you are not doing Vettel justice. He had a longer stint on the mediums than the hards. Ferrari kept him out to slow down the Renaults for Leclerc. Vettel was on the Radio arguing with his engineer, please do get your facts right before saying that he had a bad performance.

[@utkarshsinha5838]

Has to be the worst ABCDEF1 I've seen on the channel. It's like these guys didn't watch the race at all. Stroll couldn't complete his final quali run due to engine issues hence ending up P13 in quali, still manages to get up to P5 in the first lap==>E Vettel holds off Ocon and Ricciardo for around 5 laps (also the reason why Ocon was asked to swap places)==> E Ocon not able to overtake Vettel's Ferrari lap after lap, ultimately ending up behind leclerc (nearly got overtaken by kvyat as well)==> B Hamilton (no driver errors as proven by the retraction of penalty points) with a great pole lap==> C (worse than OCON) And many more... I don't know but I feel the guys are getting a bit biased in some aspects.

[@joemannari4545]

Hamilton’s strategy was his fault

[@f1lover63]

Not to mention Seb did 30 laps on used mediums and 22 on hards.

[@24pagedown]

You summed it up perfectly my man, I think Matt was on the F1 TV broadcast but it just seemed like a very lazy analysis of the race by the both of them.

[@Sambysaurus]

they're just letters man.

[@katkav99]

@@joemannari4545 it wasn't tho because when he messed the first lap in Q2 he asked to go another lap on these tyres and the team pitted him for a new one and until Sebs accident he had purple both on the first and the second part of the lap.

[@nandusai]

The stewards took forever to complete the investigation but they didn't listen to the public radio msgs??? Then what exactly was the investigation that was done??? Seems like they were just debating on how to come up with a penalty for Hamilton... And then Leclare goes and shunts Stroll and its not even investigated... I could have understood if it was deemed a racing incident post investigation but no investigation at all shows the discrepancies within FIA...

[@michaelmayo2489]

Yeah they give a pre race incident an in race penalty in order to get right something they changed after the race anyway FIA logic at its finest

[@LeoCharles]

I have the feeling that the watch the videos and listen to the commentators on Sky F1. lol

[@garywarburton3124]

@@michaelmayo2489 if anything it should of been a team fine they clearly told him to do it there and Hamilton didnt put anyone in danger, i dont blame his comments

[@NardKoning]

LeClerc tends to get a lot of slack. I think it was harsh on Hamilton but he had a few moments this weekend so I think he wouldn't have won regardless.

[@georgythomas8451]

Stewards: let's see who caused the crash.... FERRARI. stewards: No investigations necessary.

[@g.g.baxter4868]

Stewards logic - you can punt a driver out of the race, but don’t u dare do a practice start there or touch those curbs

[@itsvizor171]

G.G. Baxter I swear.

[@DarthEvilicus]

Sochi isn’t too dangerous. I love the roundabout of turn 2-4, it’s the best part of the track. The F2 crash was gnarly but both drivers walked away. If the FIA puts a chicane there it will ruin the best part of an already awful circuit.

[@f1lover63]

If Sochi is too dangerous, Monaco, Baku , Spa, Monza, Silverstone and many other tracks should be similar to Chernobyl.

[@leonwascher6937]

Also the F2 incident happend mostly because Mazepin wasn't looking at all were he was going I think.

[@sandenson]

Turn 1 is the kink in the main straight (I know, that's weird as hell), turn 2, the proper first corner, is the bullshit corner.

[@BensVacation]

I'm so glad the tommy compared Leclerc's incident to Hamilton on Albon in Austria because to me, it was quite similar and should've at least been investigated...

[@jarigustafsson7620]

leclerc incident was on first lap, in austria it was not.

[@BensVacation]

Jari Gustafsson so now they’re supposed to be excused? Look at the onboard, there was no excuse when stroll gave him so much space but instead of being more cautious, he ends strolls race 👀

[@Rubbinz24]

Lehack is Untouchable...🤦‍♂️

[@abhinav3478]

Hamilton: breathes FIA: here's a 5 second penalty

[@freddo4304]

You dropped this champ *'gives 5 second penalty'*

[@nandusai]

Removes mask to drink water... FIA : not following safety restrictions - "5 seconds penalty and 1 point added to the license"

[@mypenishuge3499]

I’m not complaining, let’s see what he’s made of. I think we know what would happen

[@sounakdas9520]

Hamilton not converting Pole was not a long time ago.. Is Monza 2020 out of F1 zeitgeist?

[@brauni44]

its about lewis poles where bottas won the race afterwards !

[@bigmini2870]

The hate that people have towards Bottas has become personal now. There is no need to bash him for celebrating the way he wants to, he won and you can't take that away from him. You keep complaining that he doesn't fight or lacks drive and then when he wins and gives himself a confidence boost everyone rips on him. The most toxic fans of any sport ever honestly.

[@deezelkane]

His celebration was uncalled for. He was completely unaware of how he came into first place, thats why hes getting hated on. Was a synthetic victory. Look at lewis in bahrain last year when Charles' had an issue with his PU, lewis inherited first place- He came on the radio and admitted that he didnt want to win that way. Valtteri is just deluded.

[@bigmini2870]

@@deezelkane He can celebrate however the fuck he wants. That's no one's business. He drove a flawless race and well deserved that victory. Since when do we monitor how people celebrate race victories?

[@platypusmusic8843]

@Deezel Kane He had the pace and strategy to get the win even without Lewis’s penalty. In the Bahrain one Leclerc was the one with pace that should’ve won without the engine problem. It’s pointless to compare these 2 races with each other.

[@deezelkane]

BIG MINI hey bud, have you read all the comments regarding valtteri’s win ? Lol you gonna msg the thousands of people agreeing with me the same shyt ?? 🤦‍♂️

[@deezelkane]

Platypus Music what ? They’re both the same thing, indirectly. Charles had a pu failure, and lewis had a time penalty. 1st place was inherited both times. What don’t you understand.

[@phwaedih]

ABCDEF1 STANDINGS Points - A* = 6 down to F = 0, U = -1 Verstappen 51 Hamilton 50 Ricciardo 43 Gasly 42 Sainz 41 Norris 41 Stroll 39 Leclerc 39 Russell 38 Bottas 37 Raikkonen 36 Kvyat 36 Perez 31 Ocon 31 Magnussen 29 Latifi 29 Albon 27 Grosjean 26 Vettel 25 Giovinazzi 24 Hulkenberg 10

[@nopomegranates1876]

The stewards were just so all over the place that race. From the ridiculous T2 penalities to Hamilton's penalty points being given then taken, then Leclerc's incident with Stroll which probably was penalty worthy. All just poor.

[@mariapadilla677]

I don't know but I feel like vettel defended from different drivers, that end up benefiting on some way a Leclerc, just saying, I know he committed mistakes like the crash on Q2 but still his strategy was any good. Just thoughts, love the two drivers!

[@theuncivilwhaleshow1067]

You’re right, That was actually ferraris strategy with vettel.

[@peepeepoopoo1983]

He did 30 laps on used mediums and 22 on hards. 🙆

[@itsvizor171]

He actually didn’t really make a mistake on his quali lap. He took the curbs like everybody. Bottas on his first run in practice was attacking the track full force and he didn’t spin around (ik its a merc, but the curb argument doesn’t hold up considering how many people went Kung fu on them) It’s a sad sad car they have this year, and if it can worry a world champion with its behaviour that has never drove it? I think there is something terribly wrong with it.

[@resurrectedsunlight155]

The Netflix Curse is in no way exclusive to Mercedes. Does anyone remember Melbourne 2018? They followed Haas and they botched two pit stops.

[@Irishtechy]

Why wasn't it a grid penalty? since it happened before the race. most infractions prior to race start are grid penalties? Toto mentioned this during an interview.

[@biscuitcase83]

Does it matter? Hamilton would still accuse the race stewards and FIA of trying to stop him and discrimination. He would still have been salty. They took enough time to issue the penalty the race was already close to starting that's why. BTW no I am not a Lewis hater, quite the opposite but he has flaws and his attitude to not winning or getting his own way is pretty damn awful. Nobody is perfect...of course

[@wickedjuice]

@@biscuitcase83 Senna and Schumachers attitude to not winning might not be to you're liking either.

[@biscuitcase83]

@@wickedjuice You're correct, they weren't exactly the best attitudes. Senna punting Prost off in 1990 and Schumacher to Hill in 94 were both dirty, desperate moves to win their respective championships...definitely not high points in their careers that's for certain. Ayrton Senna had his moments of paranoia, believing the FIA were against him. Senna also believed and accused Schumacher of cheating in 1994, but he didn't do so baselessly, he had fantastic intuition about these cars and he observed that Benetton very closely...he certainly wasn't the only one who believed it. Later investigations, after Senna was dead, would show some very dodgy things going on at Benetton. So I think Senna can be forgiven for that particular one.

[@Actinjsh]

Hamilton getting the 5 second penalties because of his teams mistake is like getting one for an unsafe release, so I think it was fair.

[@piliana12]

and that's not fair too, a driver shouldn't be punished for his team giving him the green light to go

[@Actinjsh]

@@piliana12 But if there was no in race punishment teams would do it all the time just to gain an advantage

[@yoyo-tx6zg]

@@piliana12 Wrong. The driver benefits from an unsafe release so if they were to just give fines instead of penalties teams would just take the fine if it means they win a position

[@theuncivilwhaleshow1067]

Yeah but Lewis actually didn’t do anything specificalo dangerous, he was far on the right side, left lots of space and started with no one coming behind him while an unsafe release puts in immediate danger drivers and everybody who’s in the pit lane potentially. A reprimand would have been enough.

[@george4821]

Nah, the driver usually gets the penalty if the team messes up (unless it's Leclerc)

[@iseebee1494]

Matt is a Rosberg fan boy 😂😂 on a serious note - to say Mercedes did not want ROS to win, he just did - is soooooo wrong. HAM had DNFs and it went to the wire with the team begging HAM not to back ROS into VET

[@TheSharpoint1]

Who would've thought that the main point of contention between these two for the podcast was Latifi's grade

[@Robin-yf6yl]

Love this guy on the right using double microphones - he’s going to get heard!

[@selder_7]

Giovanazzi is under huge threat from Mick Schumacher because Schumacher is doing so well in F2, you can easily see him doing well in F1 and the amount of attention they’d get for having him on bird would be huge. Having Raikonen and Schumacher in a team is huge

[@sidewalkere]

Did you seriously just gave out a D to a driver who smashed is car on a wall on turn 1 all by himself right after slaping an E on one that actually finished the race?

[@MrFtoudalk]

Sainz: "How to get rid of old car parts.." Romain: " you said through the bollards, didn't you?"

[@blueaugust227]

well to be fair lewis did gain an advantage by doing a practice start on a bit of track where it didn't have any rubber so that bit of track was more representative of a grid slot and everyone else has to do a practice start on the rubbered-in bit. I think the penalty was fair tbh.

[@samlovett7759]

Guys the reason Vettel had a “ bad performance” was because he is 4-time world champion. He is one of the best and for a while was the best. He however is not immortal. We’ve seen leclerc get this ferrari to 2 podiums. Seb is lucky to get a point. Yes the Ferrari is not that good but he is being out qualified every session by his younger teammate which shows that the driver is something to blame. The fact he held off the 2 Renault was not that much considering they quite far behind. Everyone just leave wtf1 alone. They do this 4 u. Respect it.

[@Miragexe]

Stroll's car overheated in Q2 so he didn't get to do a final lap, bit harsh to judge him on quali position.

[@biscuitcase83]

Perez was ahead of him throughout all practise sessions and q1. Perez is driving angry and who could blame him

[@rubensalazar7604]

Pérez and botas for team mates will be amazing for the sport

[@killbillvol69]

In the last 48 hours I have heard the word "bollards" more than I have in my entire life.

[@warrenm6882]

Oh Bollards!

[@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens]

I hope Bottas's confidence isn't too boosted by this race. He won due to Vettel's crash in qualifying that forced Lewis onto a different strategy. Congratulations to him for winning, but he shouldn't become too full of himself as a result.

[@redlightning2322]

But at the same time he needs confidence to compete with lewis

[@michaelmayo2489]

Hopefully he gains confidence after that race not cockiness however after the race he acted like it was some worldie win

[@rikdherripon233]

Leclerc should get a penalty it was defenetly his fault

[@marco_grt4460]

Edit: I apologize on the comment, it is my fault, it was not clear the event you referred to, if the question was for the seat belts I agree, but if it was for the contact here is what follows>> There are two type of contact in race: contact on purpose and race accident, if every time there is a race accident and they give a 5s penalty, it is not worth racing, then just give the driver an opportunity to do a time attack alone, without other vehicles on the track and solved the problem. And then in the race direction they are human, the decisions are different depending on the events, accompanying off the track causing an accident: penalty, being on the trajectory and hitting by mistake or for a sudden movement: race accident

[@thelarry383]

@@marco_grt4460 Then hamilton should not have gotten his penalties against albon

[@redlightning2322]

@@thelarry383 in some of those cases you can argue lewis shouldn't have because of where Alex put his car

[@nandusai]

@@redlightning2322 actually Lewis was slightly ahead going into the turn, its during the turn that albon launches to his side... Lewis was already committed to the turn, a more experienced driver would have been more patient instead of trying the overtake at that time... Albon could have easily overtaken Lewis in the next few corners... But based on the discussion above, if Leclare didn't get the penalty cos it was a racing incident, then neither should have Lewis...

[@chickengamer14]

Megatron I do think they should have given leclerc a penalty but the accident was completely different from the albon Lewis accident because one was a 1st lap incident where was one was on like lap 50

[@JackAceNL]

Interesting thing there about good vs decent. As a dutchman decent sounds definitely worse than good. Decent sounds like ok-ish. Is this really the other way around in english?

[@1995DylanJ]

As a fellow dutchy I was thinking the exact same.

[@johncale1849]

You are correct - good is better than decent - native English speaker here

[@biscuitcase83]

To me "decent" is more like "above average"

[@scsutton1]

Had the pleasure of listening to this while going round the National Motor Museum at Beaulieu the other day.

[@matthewmyatt2625]

“Is Sochi too dangerous?” Lmao Clickbait much

[@samlovett7759]

Just want to say I look forward to this podcast and the best reactions probably more then the actual race! Thank u for keeping it interesting.😁

[@R3adybreck]

Seeing as we have seen two very good drivers fail to match up to verstappen in the red bull, is it fair to say that red bulls car atm is no better than other midfield cars and that verstappen just makes it look like the 2nd best car because he might be one of the fastest drivers ever?

[@420Impeller]

Somewhat. He's a great driver. But thing is, the car is sorta unstable and messy. The car is designed for Verstappen, made for him. 2nd driver gets screwed by that. That's how Red Bull works. The drivers are good, but the team is kinda toxic.

[@schluder14]

tommys dog just made this podcast 100 times better! not that it wasnt awesome before, his dog is cute!

[@built2jzlexus496]

How in the hell does Lando get a higher score than Alex?? He lost positions and Alex made up 5 positions after pitting twice?? Y’all are losing credibility.

[@NewLyricsMusic1]

Alex teammate got 2nd and we don’t want to talk about his qualifying..

[@chickengamer14]

Alex’s teammate was 2nd while he was struggling to pass a Williams. Also lando had a power steering failure.

[@built2jzlexus496]

COFFE Alex was in last place at lap 2 and finished 10th after making an extra stop. The only reason Gasly beat him was because he had the advantage of fresher tires.

[@chickengamer14]

Built 2jz Lexus Built 2jz Lexus the bigger issue is that albon shouldn’t be there. Albon should not be qualifying 10th. Also it’s much easier for you to go from last to 18th when your in the car which your teammate is consistently getting 2nd or 3rd in. Albon is in the 2nd best car he should be performing in the top 6. But he qualified 10th and barely scrapped points yesterday.

[@itsvizor171]

I think Lando battled harder than anyone in the race. He kept Alex and Pierre behind on fresh tires despite his own being age old. Alex was racing hard, but given he’s a RedBull, and he couldn’t get past a Williams and McLaren in fight, it wasn’t worth much. He’s driving the second best car on the grid and struggling to overtake a Williams, isn’t really a good look.

[@akhildilip547]

Please bring fank every podcast!!! He is toooo cute 🥺

[@Murph___]

The only thing more embarrassing than swapping Albon and Gasly again is keeping things the same. Albon looks so deflated and defeated at Red Bull. They are on the verge of ruining him completely. Might as well re-evaluate Gasly in the Red Bull for the rest of the season and take the pressure off Albon.

[@tf9429]

Exactly, he was fighting a Williams for a portion of the race at the back

[@owaisparvez6232]

Good > Decent You're welcome.

[@cubalibre0128]

i dont understand how you want to make changes to the race track since basically the whole track is surrounded by Olympic buildings from 2014 and no way to change the track

[@polish_sniper_f1332]

So because Lewis didn't win... I didn't hear you say the race was boring Matthew

[@theuncivilwhaleshow1067]

So I guess that for the fia forcing another driver off the track without touching him si worthy of a penalty while crashing him out of the race isn’t... interesting tactics

[@SBK_KARTING]

Think the reason why all the cars blasted through the turn two run off area chicane is because they knew after turn 4 of lap 1 you aren’t going to get many overtaking opportunities so you need to get back into the race as fast as possible. Also you need the last sector to be fast flowing onto the DRS/main straight with turn 2 altered

[@abcdefghij5840]

Give Giovinazzi the recognition he deserves!

[@zulubunsen9067]

I'm guessing the Nürburgring race won't be called the German GP as that one was technically discontinued. And it's the "Eifel GP" because Nürburg is in the Eifel mountains. As a side note the driver rankings were pretty close to those made by Edd Straw over at The Race, it was fun to compare.

[@sreeganeshmr3773]

Titles "Is Sochi too dangerous" where only 2 accidents occurred whereas there were 8 casualties 2 red flags and safety cars at Mugello

[@TheLibermania]

GP2 accident

[@sreeganeshmr3773]

@@TheLibermania i thought this was F1. By the way they changed their name to F2 some 3-4 years ago.

[@raahull04]

It is one thing to deservedly celebrate your win just like Bottas should. Then it is one thing to behave as if he dominated the whole race and blew everyone away!! Lol!! Bottas mate.... You got outqualified by a Red Bull that's six tenths slower than you on a straight in race pace!

[@MrLeeJimi]

In reply to if Hamilton should have had the penalties when the FIA declared it a team fault and took away the penalty points; yes. Race results is a team effort and team mistakes should be reflected in that reault. Driver penalty points should not include team errors and purely reflect driver fault incidents.

[@biscuitcase83]

In fairness Lewis himself SHOULD know the rules. Why didn't he read the Race Controller's notes? He's driving the car he needs to know the rules so he doesn't break them. His second penalty wasn't to do with the practice start either and a rule breech he equally should have known. I think it is important that drivers AND teams equally ensure they know the rules and then mistakes like this wouldn't happen. He wouldn't have needed to ask his team if it was okay if he had made sure he knew himself.

[@MrLeeJimi]

@@biscuitcase83 agreed. But listen to the radio; he tried to clarify "are you sure we're allowed to do that", team said "affirm".

[@biscuitcase83]

@@MrLeeJimi Which is why the points on Lewis' superlicense were revoked and a team fine added instead. The time penalty was justified because no matter what mistake the team made, he was the one who did his starts in that place.

[@MrLeeJimi]

@@biscuitcase83 yep, exactly. Thats why I think it was the right decision.

[@mp4986]

I don't get how you think Perez would be in any different a position to Alex or Pierre at Red Bull compared to Max. The issue with Red Bull's second seat is partly down to Max and partly down to how Red Bull run the team. Also, Perez isn't actually that good.

[@alexrobertssings]

Just had a thought. Which track is worse, Paul Ricard or Sochi? I mean both are woeful but if we had to try to "fix" one of them which would you have?

[@user-wi2bf5fp9f]

Where are the Eifel mountains? Could that be why its named this way?

[@MarsiIstDerCoolste]

Did you take into consideration that vettel was used as a brake for the drivers behind so Charles gets his strat done? I think it was a team effort.. he was not allowed to pit even if his tires were done

[@unhingedgaming1586]

they don't man 😥😭😭

[@ejodonnell-lines9367]

They should redesign turn #2 to be similar to the monza first chicane.... Having that sweeping turn on an acceleration zone would be really interesting

[@brickisland6353]

Kimi kept Seb honest. And might even been ahead hadn’t they screwed his pit stop

[@sgtnatko]

Couldn't agree more about Sochi. Tommy hit the nail on the head.

[@mil0_259]

I just don’t understand how a driver hitting someone into a wall due to driver error doesn’t even deserve an investigation. But a 10 second penalty for a small pre race incident which was a team error. Anyway the Albon-Hamilton incident and Leclerc and Stroll are very similar. Both times a driver understeered into another by accident. Yet Hamilton gets a penalty Leclerc doesn’t. Clear showing of the lack of consistency with the FIA. Plus multiple five second penalties for not going around a bollard. So confusing

[@thomaslucock8066]

We all know that Tilke is... polarising, but what people seem to miss, is that he has to design to the client. For Sochi, he was told to build it in the Olympic Park, and that it had to go around the plaza and certain buildings. He could only end up filling in the gaps. Yas Marina: Built on reclaimed flat land, that had to go under a hotel and around the Marina. Hockenheim: Tilke wanted to extend the run down to the old Clark chicane, but the track Management had already sold the land back to the German gov., so, again, he was only joining the dots.

[@emmata98]

The Race Director notes say: After the Lights on the right side. You can debate, that he didn't do anything wrong.

[@jarigustafsson7620]

the penalty was because he stopped twice in the pit exit when the regulations say "when you exit the pitlane you need to stay on constant speed leaving pits and not stop"

[@SanderKaiser]

You could debate that, but you'd be fighting an uphill battle :/. The notes are not really ambiguous on where you're allowed to do practice starts: a) AFTER the pit exit light, b) on the RIGHT hand side and c) NOT in the fast lane.. That quite clearly only leaves that triangular area that everyone else kept using for practice starts, since after that section, there's no space on the right hand side of the fast lane. They then go on to state that drivers are not allowed to stop in the fast lane of the pit exit "at any time the pit exit is open without justifiable reason" and then top it off by specifically mentioning that practice starts are NOT a justifiable reason. Both Lewis and Mercedes done goofed there. TWICE, even >.

[@emmata98]

@@jarigustafsson7620 apparently because he wasn't allowed to stop there (1 penalty) and because he did a practise start ther (2nd penalty)

[@phillinaker5321]

On the Bottas thing he was still 22 seconds up the road from lewis when he crossed the line 10 second penalty or not Bottas won on merit....just sayin....and I know without the penalty Lewis would have less to overtake at that point but still give the lad some credit....He can race and does deserve to be at merc....Everyone seems to forget how he drove at Williams....He was great and I would put him as the second-most underrated driver behind big George

[@Ash14760]

If grosjean latifi or mag had done what Carlos did they would've been ripped into but bc Carlos did it they are like "oooohhh what a silly corner why has the FIA done this". The hipocrisy of F1 fans annoys me sooooo much

[@biscuitcase83]

Well...to be fair, some drivers have earned themselves a reputation for silly crashes...Grosjean for example. This seemed rather out of character for Carlos 🤷‍♀️ Although if he keeps doing it he'll soon build that kind of rep too

[@robertphillips9326]

Lewis knew exactly where he should have performed his practice start (there is too much rubber there) so he decided he would do his practice start where ever he liked. Mecedes just went along with him.

[@sbrfalcon17]

Sitting at the end of the pit exit when rivals are approaching at high speed on to the track is endangering others, that's why the practice start area is almost always just after the lights at the end of the pit lane. Also during a race you cannot separate team and driver, whereas with penalty points for driving standards can be applied only to the driver.

[@itsvizor171]

Thomas Taylor The penalty points were a reach. The on track penalty is fine, but the penalty points were stupid.

[@Mmaaxxch]

Hamilton received 2 penalties not for two starts. He received it because: 1) He trained start in wrong place 2) He stoped after starting formation lap So it's 2 penalties for 1 thing. And he really received advantage from trying to start from another place, because grip there closer to grip on starting grid than in proper place for training.

[@thealavigne1]

The time penalty impacts the team as well, so it stands no matter who's fault it is. License points should only be reserved for when the driver endangers other through their own will.

[@Cirrus5005]

Tilke went on to add that the Sochi Autrodrom has been one of his biggest challenges, while Hanoi has also provided obstacles to overcome. “Sochi was probably the most difficult project,” he added. “We had to insert it in park of the Winter Games 2014, it was not easy." - - - - - THEN WHY ARE YOU BUIL....... oh whatever.

[@stuartmullenger9110]

Off camber corners are a real challenge. It goes against road design principals unbalancing the car and stopping down force working efficiently. The same goes for the braking zone off the back straight. Turning and braking then changing direction the other way is not what we think of as exciting but its a real challenge that needs to be commended look at Landos lock up, yes old tyres, but the way the cars move and change their centre of gravity is a testament to drivers skills. There's a top gear video of Clarkson talking about it into turn 1 of Imola. T2 is similar to Australia and there's always action there. And we like that, just fix run off. Improvements need to be made after the f2 crash but its actually a good tilke track. Yes its not the best I'll agree to that and it was a dull race but that's not entirely track related.

[@stuartmullenger9110]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYqpqY1pm8SUo9U

[@smidsy1979]

Its a team sport, a teams mistake, and a teams punishment, as his car received a penalty, not him personally.

[@Max_Flashheart]

In traffic Albon and Leclerc improved by 5 positions in the race. On a track that passing is hard to do.

[@danonthestrings]

One thing I don’t hear much discussion about when talking about track layouts is elevation change. Yes corners can definitely be improved but elevation change makes circuits more interesting imo, even Monaco has probably more elevation change than these flat car parks like Sochi and Paul Ricard.

[@EduSaav]

ehh too put it into perspective Kimi was all race long faster than gio stayed out way longer than he should have to gamble on a Safty car or VAR and then getting a 6 Second Pitstop and still coughing up to gio, mag, and Vet 12 Seconds and 15 Laps to go D is kinda unfair but not that it matter

[@racechassis]

Riccardo should get the Mercedes seat TBH

[@hughtubecube]

Has anyone else noticed that the little orange line to the right of the full stop in the WTF1 logo is slightly misaligned?

[@joshsmith7521]

Daniel said he would driver faster after the penalty but.... Shouldn't he have been driving as fast as possible anyway?

[@redlightning2322]

Well no largely due to tire management. Pirreli did say prior to the weekend they brought their sober compound tires . And also Sochi is one of a few tracks where a one stop is possible.

[@joshsmith7521]

@@redlightning2322 but surely if he couldn't go any faster because of tyre management he wouldn't have been able to with the penalty

[@clarks.4192]

My 3 word race review: Never Give Up

[@siddharthbhandari2067]

Vettel was the main reason Leclerc ended in points. C'mon guys.

[@speed12gaming16]

I don’t get how everyone can say stroll is the better driver this year compared to Perez. Checo got shafted by the safety car back to back in spa and monza (was p4 before the big monza shuffle). Stroll got a free pit stop from the red flag to be gifted a podium. Checo also missed two races from covid, and yet is only 1 point behind stroll in the championship. Stroll also has had back to back races with upgrades and Perez hasn’t.

[@jaydenthadani2211]

I think the most fair penalty would have been a 3 place grid penalty- if you get extra start preparation you start further behind. A better start from pole can gain you at maximum 3 places at the top of the field in Sochi, and Hamilton should have been penalised for that. Nothing more nothing less