Jury hears testimony on bullet found by Libby's and Abby's bodies | Trial Day 7 | DELPHI DEBRIEF

[@mistrjt9213]

The coverage of this case by these two reporters are better than most of the true crime channels out there. Definitely worth the subscribe for this case. Hello from San Francisco! 👋

[@Steely_Fran]

I agree. I'm glad I found this channel. I made the mistake of clicking on a Nancy Grace video about this case, and that won't happen again. I coukd only take about 4 minutes before I had to tap out.

[@gmcontractorsllc7592]

@@Steely_FranShe talks too much. It’s repetitive.

[@RobbieJayOne]

@@Steely_FranI made the same mistake a few days ago. I clicked on Grace’s channel and couldn't understand how or why she was stating what she was stating as fact. She is loud, cuts off her guests, and comes to subjective conclusions. No more Nancy G for me.

[@Unicornfarmonstrawberryisland]

If that would be the case, they would have also mentioned, that ALL the witnesses identified 'Bridge Guy' as the person they saw that day.

[@bambinaforever1402]

They should talk TO THE CAMERA, not each other

[@cheezy3181]

Incredibly disappointed with the decision to not allow cameras in court. Thanks for covering.

[@mgibson5181]

Investigation was botched, I think. Lots of political, personal and local influences made impartial and thorough police work impossible. Justice for Abby and Libby.

[@cheezy3181]

@@mgibson5181absolutely botched! That is exactly why cameras are so important for this case in particular. Our tax dollars are paying for this trial. We deserve transparency!

[@autumnishotterthansummer]

I understand it now, I used to wonder if the judge was part of Odinism (I know I know) but now I think she's just protecting her buddies from embarrassment. Is it possible for a judge to tell a district attorney that they can't bring charges?

[@marvinhunt8276]

I now think Allen is not guilty by "reasonable doubt." But cameras are not permitted in Indiana courtrooms unless permitted by the judge. It is illegal and Indiana is not the only state that does this.

[@grogsmashrock7240]

@@autumnishotterthansummer what a stupid conspiracy. that entire thing being ran with by internet idiots is part of why the case was looked at so strangely

[@davidbushong9152]

You know what this tells me the state doesn't have any evidence

[@mdsupreme1776]

State has more evidence

[@jimnasium7700]

After today, the only thing they seem to have is the confessions, and I feel like those might be as easily dismissed as the bullet comparison.

[@bunnyluver2176]

Yeah the state usually brings their strongest evidence at the beginning and end. It’s not looking good so far. Weak case. There’s way too much reasonable doubt.

[@Cayman23q]

It's circumstantial but common sense tells you it's Richard allen

[@starmom4497]

Stop and think though....Other people were there that day that described what Richard Allen was wearing - which he admitted to wearing. And it just so happened that Libby recorded THE MURDERER who was wearing that exact same outfit??? He admitted to being there because he KNEW people had SEEN him. At the time...he didn't REALIZE THAT LIBBY HAD RECORDED HIM! Plus, the woman who clearly SAW him covered with mud (and possibly blood) making his way back to his car - but NOT on the REGULAR TRAIL. When you consider that multiple People SAW HIM And HE ADMITS to being there AND WEARING the exact Same outfit that The KILLER was wearing. Not to MENTION his SIXTY OBE CONFESSIONS. There is REALLY NO DOUBT.

[@StellaKnights]

its crazy that a witness testified for 7 hours and proved nothing

[@MissWinters1980]

Yep!! 👏🙄

[@henriettasmith2618]

Your legal expert is beyond prime-time, major-network worthy. She is fabulous!Thanks for the great reporting!

[@redmanrm1]

The black chick? She’s truly a dumb B. Are you that stupid as well? She’s only there because she’d black. She’s not qualified. She’s the latest welfare for blacks

[@AuthenticLifeMatters]

Agree

[@mythoughtsnotyours.8140]

Wow, I love this reporters, they discuss this case on a way that make us feel like if we attended the trial. They mentioned every important thing. Discuss the legal part, the jury impression, the prosecution and defense lawyer actions, awesome coverage!!

[@sheilamiller181]

I agree with you, the reporters are very good.

[@mistrjt9213]

I don’t even know where these reporters are based out of but I had to subscribe. Hello from San Francisco! 👋

[@Derricktaco]

@@mistrjt9213WTHR is the NBC affiliate in Indianapolis, Indiana. The murders happened about an hour north of Indy, so they are our hometown reporters.

[@selinatilaver7821]

​@mistrjt9213 these are some of our local news people out of Indianapolis!! They are very good!

[@Envy28496]

@@mistrjt9213They’re in Indiana. Central Indiana/Indianapolis specifically. I feel local reporters will always have the best coverage.

[@Cat_Stealer-1]

Wow. This seems to be the very definition of Guilty until Proven Innocent. Now I understand why so many people say if you are innocent do not offer any information to law enforcement.

[@ikapatino3214]

If you're guilty too

[@autumnishotterthansummer]

Yep! I used to think there was no harm in an innocent person talking, not anymore! He literally is only being charged because of him self reporting being at the bridge in order to not be a suspect.

[@DANKY-LEAF]

The dude literally admitted to it at one point, dont even start with that

[@StephanieDickinson-ig9ju]

@@DANKY-LEAFafter he was placed in PRISON, not a county jail like every other Hoosier is before conviction. He was in SOLITARY confinement for over a year. Even the United Nations has cruel punishment for even war criminals and terroists. And he was being giving high doses of Haldol, which is an extremely strong medication. Even psychologists won’t evaluate a patient while on this medication. It’s often used in emergencies rooms for quickly calm a violent mentally ill patient. The sleep and take in a state of delirium. I’m a on the fence person, when it comes to this case. But I want to hear the context of his confessions before I make an assumption. As a truly fair individual, I can’t place guilt just on hearing one side of the story at the point. I won’t give my opinion until the case is over. Just as I would hope my fellow Hoosiers would do for me if I was ever accused of a crime.

[@kitkat9648]

Can you match an unfired bullet to a gun? Other than same caliber it never went threw the weapon? Talk about trying hard.

[@katherines9304]

I wouldnt exactly say witnesses placed Richard Allen on the trails that day. And they sure as hell didnt identify him as "bridge guy". This case is a total train wreck so far

[@robint6913]

I thought about it this way: what if RA had to prove he was on the bridge between 130 and 230 as an alibi? Would the evidence presented prove he was there? I think it if we were looking at the timeline to prove RA was there at 130-230 for his good we would accept it. But we don’t accept it when used to prove a bad act. Maybe it’s just me but if I use that perspective the weight of the evidence changes for me.

[@kgmail7364]

Thank God the jurors were smarter than you are.

[@treborretsnom6186]

" I can't say that his gun is the one above all others...."That's all i need to hear... I'd bet there are 5,000 sig Sauer pistols of that caliber in Indiana alone...

[@kgmail7364]

And I’ll bet you that it’s the only one in Delphi. That Sig is a rather exclusive handgun.

[@noodles5004]

Prosecutors didn’t want to talk about the guns in the river because they were linked to the investigation into Keegan Kline. Who is a very interesting character in this case.

[@lindabishop1402]

Yes, I agree. Weren't these girls supposed to meet a guy named Anthony Shots. Turned out to be Keegan Kline?? Been waiting to hear about him.

[@bongodave13]

He's supposed to testify. Problem is that he's a giant POS, and nothing he says is credible without corroborating evidence.

[@Bye_Good]

@@lindabishop1402hm interesting I didn’t know that

[@bunnyluver2176]

@@lindabishop1402Yeah but the judge seems to be limiting what defenses the defense can claim which I think is a reason itself for a retrial if he’s convicted. In Casey Anthony’s case she was blaming her own dad of disposing of her daughter’s body and SA’ing her with no proof but this judge is limiting the Odin defense? It’s wild…idk a judge could do that.

[@bambinaforever1402]

@@lindabishop1402he does not look like he could operate a big knife, and nobody saw him anywhere. Seems like the whole town was on that bridge that day

[@gillianstapleton8566]

I have a bad feeling they have the wrong guy here .. I don’t normally feel this strong the law has it wrong they normally let a lot of whom seem guilty walk free .. but this dude I’m not convinced he is guilty.. but know he’s a broken man. Idk .. I’d rather they have the right guy than a wrong one. Justice for Libby & abbey. The girls were not shot and he frequented the area so maybe a bullet from his gun could have been randomly anywhere. His dna isn’t at the crime screen. The confession caught on record were when he had been in solitary confinement with deteriorating mental health. No one I’d him from the images and he worked in a shop in full public view. Something is off .. who’s hair is at the scene .. who is the unidentified woman ! Lots and lots of doubt here ..

[@cindybrock1705]

They have plenty of evidence

[@marygoff3332]

​@@cindybrock1705plenty? Please. Use your brain to think logically & critically, instead of emotionally.

[@bunnyluver2176]

Lots of doubt. The hair alone would be reasonable doubt for me to vote not guilty in the jury box.

[@doragreen3887]

Do u watch defense diaries or something. Please know that lawyer bob motta is working for the defense. Wait til end of trial. Every single witness said the guy on the tape was the guy they saw. Allen admits to being there at that time and wearing those clothes. That was before he was even arrested.

[@jaffajenkins]

name 1 ....... Please ...

[@margieramirez9498]

But the bullet doesn't even match. And she didn't test it correctly 🙄

[@flok.8317]

Another outstanding job by the reporters and the legal analyst, who is incredibly articulate and balanced and fair.

[@bunnyluver2176]

How would you tie a bullet that never went through a gun to Allen’s gun?? Use some common sense and critical thinking here ppl!!!

[@chrisruthford4492]

Casing markings, it's more about the marks on the shell casing from extractor and ejector.

[@thegrim_1]

While I don't believe the unspent round is enough. I think you are one of many who does not understand the evidence they claim to have, the firearm in question, or firearms in general.

[@bunnyluver2176]

@@chrisruthford4492I’ve ejected rounds before and they get spit out in different directions. Even the “expert” said she couldn’t said with complete certainty that her testimony is correct.

[@bunnyluver2176]

@@chrisruthford4492Also they’re comparing a spent bullet to an unspent bullet. That’s like comparing apples to oranges.

[@bunnyluver2176]

@@thegrim_1What does that matter? The girls weren’t shot. Lots of Americans have guns. I don’t understand your point. You’re saying his gun collection is evidence against him somehow? There’s thousands of Americans with large gun collections.

[@amityislandchum]

Honestly can't believe this was even allowed to be admitted as evidence.

[@jansimmons8914]

Me either....what a crock!

[@andrewdunn4768]

U can tell 100% tell if a bullet got ejected out of a certain gun totally possible

[@jimnasium7700]

@andrewdunn4768 it may be possible, but the methods this examiner used didn't even really attempt a real experiment. She even admitted that a match couldn't be conclusive and there could be many guns that leave similar marks. She also couldn't get a match from ejecting it and had to fire the bullet to get similar markings on it. Not only was her experiment a failure but she destroyed the evidence in the process.

[@dh4818]

​@@andrewdunn4768 your statement is provably false. I hope you are never a juror on a trial with real consequences

[@karinatrujillo8437]

Is a bullet in the crime scene not important?... whaaaaaat?!!!!! And is 100% tested if it belongs to a certain gun, another thing is a defense tactic in the criminal system. No matter if it was fired.

[@maryevelyn3059]

Absolutely superb reporting! Thank you for the unbiased and well presented trial dailies! 🎉

[@lc285]

The bullet cycled through a gun. The bullet was not fired. How can the bullet fired from RA gun match perfectly the bullet that was not fired? That is comparing apple to oranges. Both unfired bullets should match cycled. That is comparing apples to apples. What a magic show.

[@GibboFrank]

Go and look it up its easy to explain

[@bunnyluver2176]

Exactly this is unbelievable! Complete junk science!

[@Bubba__Sawyer]

@@GibboFrank It's junk science.

[@jimnasium7700]

Not only that, but she also inspected 5 other guns that were suspected in this case, ones found in water, one of which cant be ruled out. Why is discussion of them barred?

[@lc285]

@jimnasium7700 - Only the judge can answer why this information is barred.

[@loraine4606]

So, the bullets that were cycled through the gun couldn't be matched to the bullet at the crime scene, only the ones that were fired? And it's subjective, meaning there's not an objective measure through which you can tell whether the gun actually matches the bullet in this scenario. And the method used is heavily disputed by other experts. This is not evidence. At all.

[@bunnyluver2176]

It’s ridiculous junk science. It makes no sense even to a layperson.

[@user-di8hm2jl2u]

Exactly and at one point in the trial, she said that she couldn’t say definitively, whether or not it came from his gun and couldn’t exclude all other guns in the world. The only guns that she could exclude were the ones that were found in the creek, how are those relevant if you’re saying it’s Richard Allen gun? Furthermore, if they were rusted then how in the hell could they be related to this crime?

[@amac6483]

Did she conduct the samectest with 2 other guns of the same make too see if its just the characteristics of that type of Sig ?

[@bambinaforever1402]

But i mean where are the odds the same jacket, the same time on the bridge, people saw him and no other men, and he admitted seeing the same people, and now the same gun? Can not be so many coincidences

[@bambinaforever1402]

@@amac6483most probably she did not. Otherwise wouldnt need to talk for 8 hours about nothing

[@j.roberts6601]

I think they have the wrong man

[@matydrum]

Before the video of bridge guy was released he testified being on the trail (because he knew he was seen) the clothing he described having exactly fits bridge guy's clothing (blue/dark Carhartt jacket, a hoody, blue jeans and some kind of head covering, this are his words). He also has the same silhouette. He's bridge guy.

[@bambinaforever1402]

No they do not

[@bambinaforever1402]

@@matydrumyes, and the girls saw him and he admitted he saw them. And the girls did not see anyone else

[@jasonpearcy9787]

My hope and trust in the justice of law officials is not very high with that being said this case is making it even lower

[@HicksNSticks]

​@@bambinaforever1402exactly I think if they seen anyone else they would have recorded them also.

[@marksolum1794]

A day of junk science.

[@GibboFrank]

That's convicted everyone it's come against

[@MandyWaller-xw9wj]

Yep and molds.

[@rb5078]

Defense attorneys always question the science. It’s a common tactic. Their job is to create reasonable doubt in the jury any way they can.

[@marksolum1794]

@@GibboFrank Bite marks have convicted a lot of innocent people, this is just like that.

[@Catherine-gt3cr]

@marksolum1794 ABSOLUTELY!!!! And it could be ANY of us up there on trial like this with junk science being used against us. Corrupt town is framing this guy. JUDGE IS CROOKED AF!

[@brutallyhonest9218]

Never heard such ridiculousness by comparing an unspent round to a spent round just to make your narrative fit Richard Allen's gun 🤡

[@bunnyluver2176]

Yeah the usually present their strongest evidence at the beginning and end. If this is the best they got then they’re trying to railroad him.

[@Report_RA_And_BK_Fanboys]

I pray your bf won’t win this case. Justice for Libby and Abby. 🙏

[@grogsmashrock7240]

why are you defending him so hard??? u think odinism is involved here too ?? good god

[@KarazolaX]

@@grogsmashrock7240 Why do you think it's ok that they matched a FIRED round to an UNFIRED round? They could NOT match an unfired round to RA's gun. They literally could not.

[@Report_RA_And_BK_Fanboys]

@@brutallyhonest9218 Time for you to go cry in a corner. Your bf has been found guilty today. 🤡

[@Staceypotterphotography]

How did this even going to trial? All the “evidence” they presented in the beginning and NONE of it is holding up? Super sketchy that this went to trail. Hope to see some real evidence.

[@cristinajaime361]

Omg yasss someone that i can agree with! I need concrete evidence period!!!

[@MetalMiIIs]

What do you mean? Why do you all completely ignore that he admitted to being there and then confessed to the killings over 60 times?

[@KyleTMcN]

@@MetalMiIIs he also confessed to killing his family (they’re still alive) and killing his grandchildren (he doesn’t have grandchildren). Should he be charged with those murders as well since he confessed to them?

[@KyleTMcN]

Weak case indeed. If they have a credible confession that includes information that only the killer would know why are they waiting so long to present it? They could’ve explicitly detailed the confession in opening but they just said “he confessed to details on the killer would know!” So what details? Talk about burying the lead.

[@MetalMiIIs]

@@KyleTMcN For all we know he changed his mind after talking to his attorneys and then started making up details of his confession to make himself look crazy, you know, since the claim is he was 'tortured' in an Indiana Prison. 😂 I think he was honest at first and then his attorneys told him about reasonable doubt and they flooded the case with absolute nonsense. He went with it and started making up BS.

[@nomopms1]

I don't think he did it. So far, the prosecution has nothing.

[@Catherine-gt3cr]

NO evidence whatsoever!

[@LSmith-cu8kv]

Thanks! I’m not impressed with prosecution here!

[@artisticknots3247]

Same.

[@Newjerseyblows]

Sorry to tell you Karen's but he did it. The Vikings didn't set him up or whatever conspiracy you guys are regurgitating up.

[@LSmith-cu8kv]

@@Newjerseyblows I’m just saying they better be bringing some better info.

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

@@Newjerseyblows I feel like this case is a slam dunk for the prosecution! Richard Allen aka "bridge guy" is the killer. RA puts himself there from 1:30 to 3:30. 3 teenagers see him and he sees them. He said he walked to platform 1 and another witness saw him on platform 1 as she was leaving and she saw Libby and Abby pass her going towards the high bridge on her way out. RA never saw that witness. He would have seen bridge guy though and since he said he didn't see the 2 girls and never mentioned bridge guy, it can only mean one thing, he is bridge guy!

[@heytam7162]

If only we could we hear the case for ourselves. Why is there an issue with transparency?

[@EremiasRanwolf-d6z]

@@heytam7162 Cause it's a screw job

[@bambinaforever1402]

They re ashamed of police work

[@Klaire1223]

They don't want the public to see there corruption in this town

[@Catherine-gt3cr]

@heytam7162 CROOKED JUDGE + LE is protecting one of their own. The killer is indeed hiding in plain sight.

[@Catherine-gt3cr]

​@@Klaire1223Right on!!! Please say it louder for the people in the back!!!

[@SF-eo6xf]

The fact that the bullet didn't match when cycled, creates enough doubt for the evidence

[@dakenny1282]

@@SF-eo6xf there's doubt in everything. It's insane

[@Thebeautiful11]

I agree but I think the guy on the video has a nose like Richard Allen.

[@lindaromero7780]

Only one piece of evidence. There’s so much more. You can’t judge this case based on one day of testimony

[@dakenny1282]

@Thebeautiful11 you can't possibly say that. That image actually has bleed through from graffiti on the tracks. You can see it all over him despite the fact that in the un-altered one it's clearly behind/ below. Also Abby was actually in the view in front of him, and they cut her out further distorting the whole thing.

[@dlbodkins]

Sufficient which means exactly the same as a fingerprint. Same way they use and what they say when they have you're fingerprint. they can't say 100% that nobody else in the world has the same fingerprint as you for sure.They should have explained it to the jury a little better.

[@KyleTMcN]

I’ve never followed a case that had so much reasonable doubt.

[@Newjerseyblows]

I've never seen a case with so much evidence pointing to one man and people being so delusional about it. Half of your argument is literally "the vikings set him up"

[@StuffedBearSus]

Hahaha whatb

[@MartyRabbit]

Only to you.

[@Monakhalidi0513]

​@@StuffedBearSus one of the girls has hair in her hand that doesn't belong to Richard Allen if that doesn't say reasonable doubt I don't know what does

[@Monakhalidi0513]

​@@MartyRabbitone of the girls had human hair in her hand and it doesn't belong to Richard Allen if that doesn't say reasonable doubt what does?

[@bunnyluver2176]

The lawyer that is giving analysis is great. I’d definitely hire her if I was ever on trial 😅

[@Hojiii]

Bullet analysis has way too many variables.

[@NB-ky5ol]

This is what bothers me. RA supposedly lived a quiet unsuspecting life knowing he killed 2 girls for 5 years in the community without giving any weird warning signs to anyone. That would take a psychopath to pull off that kind of facade.. And I don’t believe he is because of how he’s broken down in prison. This has taken a mental toll on him. I think his confessions are due to stress and coercion. A bullet that was not fired and not used to kill the girls? The evidence I hear about the more I think the state is grasping. I think they have put an innocent man through a world of hurt.

[@zanpsimer7685]

7 hours. For that? Weak. For such a contentious, controversial case, Judge Gull’s obvious gatekeeping this trial is appalling. This is EXACTLY the sort of trial that should be held in the light of day and not in the dark of night.

[@marbear4273]

I don't like what the judge has been doing with this trial right from the start anyways. What's the big secret.

[@zanpsimer7685]

@@marbear4273 exactly! Really makes you wonder.

[@marbear4273]

@@zanpsimer7685 there have been so many other trials that were very personal like that too. The suitcase case is so boring I can't believe they can drink something out this long.

[@strawberrykisses7112]

Great coverage. Not buying the bullet comparison though.

[@andreaquinones9103]

how do we not know that the bullet was planted?! its so easy to frame someone in a small town now a days, all the corruption thats coming to light now a days, i have my doubts...

[@bunnyluver2176]

That’s what I’m thinking

[@jimnasium7700]

This is where it would be useful to know Allen's explanation for the bullet being in that keepsake box. He probably has a good explanation for it, but the defense doesn't want to risk him testifying. But I found it interesting that they did break chain of custody on it. The box was unsealed twice without record of who unsealed it, so we can't even safely presume the bullet examined was the one found at his house.

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

@@bunnyluver2176 lol

[@bambinaforever1402]

Yeah, invisible aliens in an invisible saucer came down to earth and planted that to incriminate some CVS worker

[@bambinaforever1402]

@@jimnasium7700😂😂😂yeah. Right. Secret theory

[@RealGrandpaBullFrog]

If that’s all they have..the case should have never been brought against him

[@CodeGrayHere]

The expert "matched" an unfired bullet to a fired bullet. 😂

[@doragreen3887]

Nope, she matched it to many guns they found nearby in the river and none were a match. Then found an exact match to Allen’s gun.

[@bunnyluver2176]

Right! How would they even be able to analyze an unspent bullet??

[@bunnyluver2176]

@@doragreen3887How?? It never went through the gun?? What are they matching on the bullet to tie it to a specific gun when it never went through that gun? Use some common sense!!

[@doragreen3887]

@@bunnyluver2176 yes it was cycled through!

[@doragreen3887]

@@bunnyluver2176 it was a shell casing not a bullet. Lots of misinformation flying around on the internet. It is a real shame it’s not being televised.

[@jennygorr2805]

This bullet comparison is ridiculous. This is not how you analyze a bullet and the cycled test bullet did NOT match the magic bullet. This is despicable how the state is railroading this man.

[@dakenny1282]

@@jennygorr2805 I dunno if they're railroading him per se since I wasn't there but they're certainly screwing the family after 7yrs of them fighting.

[@raptorman48]

The bullets markings match dumb arse get over it!

[@OutdoorFanatic365]

Rite! It's a non spent round. There's no rifling on the bullet to compare a bullet to a gun.

[@carrow1057]

It’s not ridiculous it’s just challenging. I’m not sure how you can get to that conclusion but absurd is certainly not in the realm.

[@Ultorvindex]

You don't know what you say dude. It did matched. Do you think Richard Allen would be in this position otherwise? Stay quiet!

[@tracymcdonald8440]

The defense is trying to say he confessed 61 times because he was in squalid conditions in custody. What? No one would confess 61 times because they were given bologne sandwiches instead of commissary food. So what if he lost weight in custody. Guilt stress and scared for your own skin will cause weight loss.

[@sharpe67]

It’s a cartridge. Not a bullet. Not a bullet cartridge. It’s a cartridge. Facts matter.

[@KyleTMcN]

You’re talking about Semantics, not facts.

[@gbart7857]

​@@KyleTMcN a bullet and a cartridge are not the same thing, so it is not semantics. A bullet is the projectile portion of a cartridge, a cartridge is a bullet in a metal case enclosing powder, primer, etc.

[@HerMajesty1]

If they are doing this to him, they'd do it to us. This is a sham

[@lenahale1677]

this is so sad and families are so upset about this and my heart going out to the family ❤❤

[@redmanrm1]

Exactly. So sad they have to go through this and this guy will walk

[@harddobe]

The firearms expert using fired cases to compare to un fired ones is a really stupi decision and really wipes out any credibility of that evidence

[@bunnyluver2176]

It’s unbelievable really

[@user-di8hm2jl2u]

When this expert witness said that she couldn’t exclude all other guns in the world, made me think what the hell is the point of this? All she could say is that maybe it came from his gun.

[@jeni111569]

Love the coverage BUT this is why Indiana and the local media need to start doing what most other states do is getting into the courts and covering trials. It's a right of the public to see transparency as well as the court to show transparency. Law & Crime cannot be at every trial in every state but local media such as WTHR can have cameras in the courtrooms if they push hard enough and follow the law when doing it. Bob & Emily are doing superb but they are not used to all of the terminology in a court room setting.

[@heavymetalrehab]

Where have you been? Judge Gull refused cameras.

[@jeni111569]

@@heavymetalrehab I know that but that's what I am saying that the media should fight like other states and courts to be transparent with the public and if it's not done as much in Indiana then maybe it should.

[@Mimtoes]

This bullet analysis was utter nonsense. They had to fire the bullets to get a match with an unspent bullet.

[@jessicalucas5419]

Unreal that took 7 hrs. That’s crazy

[@janeair3019]

Because it’s very important evidence and need time to explain that every gun is unique and leaves its own unique marks. Like fingerprints.

[@jenniferferguson1517]

They have to waste as much time as possible. The judge says the trial will end by no later than 11/15. The more time the prosecution wastes, the less time the defense has for their case.

[@judyhosey4060]

You can't test a bullet that was found at the scene that had not been fired, to a gun that was found on somebody else's possession. Set most likely is not even a gun related to what the bullet was that they found. That's like finding a bullet on the ground near the scene and finding a gun in Timbuktu California and say oh my we have the murder weapon. Well know you don't because. The girls were not shot, with a gun. Their throats were cut. . That could have been a bullet from Some Hunter. At some time. In the past.! People meander through those woods all the time. Geesh. 😳

[@bunnyluver2176]

Exactly, all you have to do is think about this critically for a minute. You don’t have to be a gun expert. If a bullet never went through a gun (so it doesn’t have any groves, etc.) what are you matching to the gun in question?? It’s unbelievable the judge is allowing this!

[@sethstine4698]

How CONVENIENT and MIRACULOUS that the one cartridge they found and DIDN'T match his gun was found right in between the girls body's. Yeah, ok...

[@denise8791]

Unbelievable. Im heartbroken for the family and friends of these beautiful angels. The girls deserve so much better than the way this whole investigation has been handled and trial is going. The poor jury has such a difficult job.

[@Iamsam-jl5fn]

By current accounts, it should be extremely easy for the jury.

[@HollyLovelace-hv1me]

I agree. There’s not much professionalism in this courtroom with the lawyers, the judge, and some witnesses. Sad.

[@lisaeccles8036]

Great reporting on what I hear was a super dry day

[@elephantfan1958]

It sounds like competent jurors.

[@Beyondfire8]

🤣 This case is a clown show

[@redmanrm1]

Facts

[@bunnyluver2176]

Absolutely!! From the known evidence I’d say there’s a ton of reasonable doubt, any one piece of evidence is enough to say not guilty

[@chacha-Ce83]

These two are so good my new favorite updaters❤

[@artic_dh]

So to sum up, no evidence, you cant match the bullet to the gun like a DNA test. The fired bullet cant be compared to a bullet that was not fired.

[@andrewrobb3689]

Bob and Emily stay asking the right questions, very fair analysis

[@Digitalgems9000]

lmao they showed the jury how firearm is made. what a joke and waste of time

[@jamesmassey356]

An unfired bullet cannot be matched to a gun. No way.

[@MichaelLopez-o3c]

Exacly

[@MichaelLopez-o3c]

Do bullets have serial numbers.

[@tracymcdonald8440]

Dont forget this dude confessed 61 times said he was going to rape them but saw a guy and was interripted and said he covered the bodies with branches which They were. He had the same exact clothes shown on the video and 2 witnesses said they saw him and his clothes had mud and what looked like blood on them his car was parked near the bridge area and he developed many pictures of these girls at the pharmacy he worked at. There are NO coincidences.

[@anagomessilva624]

This is so insane. They were not shot.

[@puffyjo]

The real killer (s ) are still out there . Now that's scarey

[@dmars7264]

I said that?

[@JW-28]

The real killer is Dick Allen. Are you guys blind and deaf? Probably just a bunch of libs that thinks everything is fake.

[@Topquark13]

Are you that dimwitted? I'm glad you are not on the jury. Go back to your flat earth propaganda

[@sciencenotsrigma]

@@dmars7264. Well, it’s a thought a lot of people have had.

[@morganmcdonagh2663]

Not nessasarily, they may not have good evidence. Doesn't mean Allen did not do it. Just cannot prove it. Allen was there, where is his 2017 phone? The one he was looking at the stock ticker. That would of cleared everything up but conveniently. It's gone missing

[@Monakhalidi0513]

One of the girls who had hair in her hand that did not belong to Richard Allen! She wasn't walking around holding hair in her hand for an entire day the only way she could have gotten that hair at that point was from the killer so if the hair doesn't belong to him then the killer is still on the loose!!!

[@susanwoodrome4651]

This is the part that makes me doubt he did it. Where did those hairs come from? Definitely reasonable doubt

[@Monakhalidi0513]

​@@susanwoodrome4651 absolutely you are 100% correct where did it come from? I'm thinking it was law enforcement that did it. I hate to say that but how many times have we seen a law enforcement officer do something look at the Golden State killer hate investigated his own crime. I 100% believe that this has law enforcement to do with it and they put this guy on the radar for some reason. He was cleared by the police they lost his video or his interrogation or whatever it was. I 100% believe that he is not guilty of this crime. I mean come on there is hair in her hand that isn't his. I don't know about you but I don't just walk around holding a human hair in my hand all day long. He could have been out there shooting his gun off one day in the middle of the forest we haven't heard anything from him yet we don't know why those bullets were there. I know a lot of people who go shooting and they go shooting in the woods maybe he wasn't supposed to be in the woods with a gun maybe it's some type of state or town land that he's not supposed to shoot in but still you never know why that gun and that bullet were there. And as far as I remember those girls were not shot. The girls were not shot so what does that bullet have anything to do with it? It was an unspent casing that went through his gun. How do you know that if it was never shot? Everybody knows that once a bullet comes out of a gun it goes from the back and is the force makes it go out of the barrel of the gun that's when it gets the marks on it what are they talking about they're trying to railroad this guy I live in New York, I have never set foot in the state of Indiana I don't know anybody that lives there I don't know anyone that knows this guy I just know that this does not sound plausible in my opinion.

[@kmuskrat]

Excellent coverage. Thank you for being thorough for those of us following closely when there are no cameras allowed. Keep up the great reporting

[@heytheremogwai]

I would be curious to see what a casing would look like being thrown from multiple weapons. These pistols are created with such precision, I can't imagine that just racking a bullet out is going to be THAT much different to equate "DNA" of a weapon.

[@heytheremogwai]

The only reason I spelled it the way I did was because KZbin was blocking my comment the way it was worded :/

[@TheGameHHH2000]

Exactly

[@bunnyluver2176]

Yes, this is crazy that the judge is allowing this junk science

[@whatdidijustsee9338]

Stinks of reasonable doubt.

[@jackiehill239]

I have never believed that he killed those girls the picture on the trail the evidence isn’t lining up . My prayers are with the families such a tragic loss.

[@michaelbartley9572]

I can't believe she said that racking the slide with different would change the markings. All it might do is make it a little deeper if anything. Horrible expert. I'm guessing she's more forensic than firearm expert. She should if never fired it at all. Just rack A magazine or 10 rounds through and compare them. The state has bitched this whole thing from not getting his cell phone in 2017 and not having good investigators to extract A confession with details. Garbage. I'm A gun smith and they can match up markings left by the extraction and chamber. They should of also shown rounds from other firearms and showed how much different they are.

[@sunglowginger766]

Completely off topic, but I love this ladies voice. I could listen to her talk all day.

[@carolinecarty1829]

What's bugging me is these two poor girls had their throats sl@shed but they had no defensive wounds on their hands nor any where else. RIP BABYGIRLS.

[@daniel.d2150]

I heard this was an unspent cartridge!??? I hope this man is not being put up as a scape goat.

[@marvinhunt8276]

I was thinking Allen was guilty. But now... There is reasonable doubt. I wouldn't want to be a juror in this trial. Not guilty. Sorry if you don't agree. This is a circus.

[@mariatorres9789]

I thought he was guilty, too! Now, there's 100% NO WAY he could be convicted. There's NO evidence. None. Besides the fact that he walked in the area? Well, all the 'witnesses' walked in the area, too, AND the young guy that was seen, and who knows if anybody ride was out there at that time, laying in wait? They have no shoe prints. The DNA doesn't match him. The 'cycled bulket' testimony is a complete sham. This is a train wreck.

[@markbrown1609]

curious if law enforcement used metal detectors and combed that creek for other unspent rounds?

[@sciencenotsrigma]

Excellent point. Allen went to that park a lot. Do they know it was left there, the same day?

[@mariatorres9789]

​@@sciencenotsrigmaIt could've been left there, AFTER. They couldn't find any evidence at all. Eventually, deep under leaves, there's a bullet tossed there? And, they actually don't even know, if one of the girls had a bullet in their pocket, & carried one around thinking it's cool or something, or left in their pocket after target practicing. My dad took us shooting as kids.

[@redmanrm1]

This is hilarious but very sad for the little girls parents. Truly sickening. Idiot police. Can’t believe the family will be drug through this only to watch this guy not be the killer. Wow

[@mgibson5181]

Hilarious?

[@redmanrm1]

@@mgibson5181 dumb F’ing cops

[@lyndseyb4852]

I think they already know it's not him, I saw a interview of them outside the court house and they're still asking people to come forward with information etc, they didn't sound convinced at all and referred to Richard Allen as a gentleman.

[@bettyurban4804]

Talk about reasonable doubt. This trial is screaming reasonable doubt.

[@Pauli1984]

Question: would like to know why the bullet in the “keepsake box” was kept. Why was it special to RA.

[@truecrimefangirlchannel]

Not one of those witnesses identified Richard Allen. They identified Bridge Guy correct?

[@jcwilson4295]

No, none of them..The video quality is very poor and he was looking down.

[@robint6913]

Someone got in and out of those woods, killed 2 little girls, did not leave DNA, and used a knife and on video the word gun and a white man by himself on Libby’s video. I begin with those facts and the evidence seems to show a white man a local with The timeline and witness statements and RA own statement about being in the bridge during those times show that only one male seen at 130-200 and RA said he was there then. RA then changed his statement and said he was there 12-130 but witnesses at that time did not see him until 130. That witness had on a fit bit so it was easy to get a good timeline. For me, setting up the timeline and lack of other males in the trail and RA putting himself there and his car seen in the store camera, along with a lack of any other alibi for RA and his change of timeline …. along with other circumstances…

[@Iamsam-jl5fn]

Correct. Not one person could say BG was Allen. Not. One.

[@Leah_F.]

So if he confessed 60 times, surely LE asked him why he did it. What was the motive?? If there was no SA, I’m wondering if it was for a snuff film. It’s a shame they won’t allow the public to hear any of this. But why not??

[@doragreen3887]

@@Leah_F. there was SA… u don’t consider making children disrobe in front of you SA!? The kit they referenced just looks for truama to certain areas and they didn’t find that… sometimes they get their pleasure from the act of hurting. Libby was target and looks a lot like his daughter. He prob had fantasies and wanted to exert control. I know it’s hard to understand for a normal person but what else if motive of not that when they are found without clothes?

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

The children were abducted at gunpoint and made to disrobe in 47 degree weather. Abby was redressed in Libby's jeans. She had dirt on her bottom so they know she was naked and sitting or lying down at one point. Libby was fully nude. This was about torture and control. I would consider what was done to them to be a SA! Bridge guy, aka Richard Allen got spooked. The prosecutor said in his opening that something interrupted the killer! RA is the killer.

[@ss-wu1vp]

When he confessed he was on psych meds and in solitary confinement. He confessed to killing others who are alive. His confessions of killing the two girls didn't match the way they died. He said he shot them in the head. They died by knife wounds to the neck and throat

[@doragreen3887]

@@ss-wu1vp his confessions were legit at first after he “found Jesus”. But after his family rejected his confessions and told him they didn’t want to hear it- he starting malingering, acting crazy and making up stuff up.

[@ss-wu1vp]

@@doragreen3887 That is factually not true. He kept stated he is innocent, until solitary confinement and psych meds.

[@dianewalton9624]

Katie Jackson-Lindsay is awesome. Her commentary is second to none! I'm so glad I stumbled across this channel. The best coverage by far! Great job everyone!!

[@Usmc0118]

Weak case Ron Logan is a better suspect

[@stacy1025]

After the video was fixed the image shows it was a younger man. I also thought for years he was a better suspect, but he’s beard was completely white.

[@Newjerseyblows]

​​@@stacy1025 uh no it doesn't look like a young man for one, and for 2 it looks exactly like Richard Allen and he even admits to having had those same clothes. I also heard after the video was released his wife went through her facebook and deleted every picture of him with that same jacket on.

[@stacy1025]

@@Newjerseyblows I mean younger than Ron. I know it wasn’t a young man.

[@MizzTracy]

@@stacy1025Your right total difference in their statures. RA has made himself look least like that video by so many different costumes already.

[@Newjerseyblows]

@@stacy1025 sorry so many people trying to defend this guy is thought you were one of them 🤦‍♂️ its unbelievable

[@sasha86868]

Justice for Richard Allen

[@FoundationForFamilyFreedom]

That video was enhanced and that man was literally 1 miles away! PAY ATTENTION TO THIS CASE. THIIS MANS BEING FRAMED. IT'S WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT & COURTS DO.

[@ASHES234]

I was wondering why he would order them down the hill from such a distance away you would expect him to say that when he was about to pass the girls unless I'm missing something the way they describe the video RA is way off in the distance on the bridge

[@-TheJewel-]

"What is hidden in the dark shall be revealed into the light "-God #JusticeforLibbyAndAbby

[@Bye_Good]

I find it bizarre that the accused is solely based on the guy in the video with no evidence whatsoever. Just because this man was captured on video walking on the bridge automatically makes him the murderer? It very well could be him but what if he was just taking a walk that day? I don’t know.. it’s a horrible and tragic crime and I hope they put the right person away behind bars where they belong.

[@shannonglagola9811]

It's not even necessarily him on camera he never said that's him

[@margieramirez9498]

The judge is allowing the state to say and do anything 🙉🙊🙈

[@ronp-eb9bh]

I have a lot of respect for my LE brothers and sisters, but it appears that the state pushed this case to trial based off of extremely shabby 'evidence'. They are proverbially trying to say that a man stole a hamburger 🍔 , but then show the jury a picture of a random hot dog 🌭 with relish and mustard. This is a pitiful excuse of a trial, and the state should immediately drop their case. The main problem was LEs failure to methodically search the crime scene and the area surrounding it. They never looked at the crime from a criminal behaviorist standpoint. Meaning, for one to identify a sadistic ki11er, an investigator must understand the motive, MO, and mindset of the assailant(s). This was not a drug or roberry related crime. It was a crime of s3xually charged power, worship, idolizatiin, coveting, thirst, and sadistic sadism. These LE guys did not dive off the psychological deep end to develop a play by play narrative of the crime. Hell, they can not even tell the jury the specific phases of the crime itself - and they would have been able to do this if they collected good evidence, alongside solid behavioral analysis of the scene. Hence why the state can not describe the phases of the crime itself, nor are they able to explain the reasons why the assailant(s) did what they did to the victims during each phase of the crime. In other words, the prosecution cannot 'paint a mental picture' of the crime to the jury, that places the defendant at the scene (via real evidence). The state should cancel this show trial, clear the slate, and restart the investigation from square one. That's when they'll find the real killers - yes, it is apparent that there were at least Two assailants, because one of the girls was a fighter and yanked a plug of hair out of one of the guys heads. Also, a person has to ask themselves, 'why would a person watch-on while one sole assailant unalives their best friend?' That does not make Logical sense. Each girl had to have one assailant controlling them each, because if it were just one sole assailant - I belive that the German girl would have tried to put a serious hurting on the dude, no matter his size.

[@iamfree-ce7xd]

Imagine spending time going into all this detail only to admit none of it is conclusive 🤦‍♀️ This is an absolute circus and they need to let this man go. Over a week in the case and there's literally nothing tying him to the crime.

[@jensingalong]

You missed one key thing. You guys are doing a great job but the witness said this is SUBJECTIVE. That blew my mind. I've not heard any of you say that she said those magic words that get you past reasonable doubt. "REASONABLE DEGREE OF SCIENTIFIC CERTAINTY." Did she say that? If not, there's mega room for reasonable doubt.

[@user-di8hm2jl2u]

She said that she could not exclude all other guns in the world. She could only exclude the guns that were found in the river. I don’t understand how any of those guns were relevant. If they’re saying it was Richard Allen’s gun that had the bullet.

[@jensingalong]

​@@user-di8hm2jl2u Exactly! It's like if they had DNA and tested a bunch of guys and they all weren't the guy but then tested a guy that barely matched the DNA but look, he matched more than these other guys that didn't match at all, so he must be the guy. But I can't exclude that other men in the world couldn't also be the guy. Just these guys we tested before are for sure not the guy. Like, WHAT? lol...

[@MonnaRooney]

Excellent coverage!

[@treborretsnom6186]

The ejected Bullet theory is absolutely junk.... Firearms are so precision made, that comparing marks on an ejected round, in order to make a match is madness... She use to be an examiner...USE TO BE

[@simdal3088]

Yes, especially German guns.

[@susanbrooks9317]

This is great coverage of the Delphi case. Best around anywhere!!!

[@magfalcon9347]

i would never let my daughters walk in those woods and that bridge by themselves thats crazy 😢😮😢

[@MovieTicketRecaps]

2 young girls really have no business in the woods alone in this day of age.

[@Bubba__Sawyer]

Let's not forget the way they were sneaking around, trying to meet boys online, factory resetting their phones etc...

[@bambinaforever1402]

Did u see girls’ parents? They would not care less where their children were. Poor girls i cry for them. Libby lived with her grandparents. This is why it is so important that the culprit rots in jail not walks freely

[@bambinaforever1402]

@@Bubba__Sawyerwhat da f u re on about? Victim blaming? Troll. Girls do chat with boys. That is NORMAL

[@hnh2613]

@@Bubba__Sawyerwhat’s that got to do with anything? “Let’s not forget bla bla bla…” like it is their fault this happened to them. Being sneaky and meeting boys is a pretty standard teenage thing to do. Nice victim blaming there.

[@JoTracy]

Great coverage guys Real reporting!

[@artisticknots3247]

My understanding is that the bullet had to be dug out of the dirt, so how did they know it was there. Also, here in Colorado, people target shoot out in the woods all the time, nothing unusual.

[@sciencenotsrigma]

They could have used metal detectors. I was thinking the same thing. I’m from the Midwest, and people do target practice in parks like that all the time. Allen was known (according to his wife, I believe) to go to that park, often. I really hope they have the right guy. I don’t want to hear about this happening again. It’s so unfair.

[@artisticknots3247]

@@sciencenotsrigma And who would commit a crime like that, then go walk in a public place covered in blood without ditching the blood covered clothing first...

[@JoJo-vz5uy]

👏 coverage. Thank you!

[@nicolebaker885]

best coverage so far

[@wilwyman451]

Watching a video on how a gun is made will not help you determine how and why those markings are made on a shell casing or unspent round. You do not need to know how a gun is made to make that kind of determination. This is not the same thing as a firing pin mark on a primer cap. These are mechanical marks on an item cycled through a device that is precision made by a computerized machine so I would expect multiple guns from the same batch of parts to make very similar marks on a shell casing.

[@lydianewman8882]

Wonderful reporting from these two individuals. The regular "alphabet" channels have not come anywhere near to their coverage. TY for your hard work in getting the information out to the public. Much appreciated.

[@sugarspiceandeverythingnice92]

I remember being their age and how much fun I use to have with my friends… I’m so sad this happened to them all they were doing was enjoying their day innocently 😢❤

[@LadyValkyri]

What a bizarre way to prosecute a case... Thanks for the updates.

[@amityislandchum]

Surprisingly great questions from the jury.

[@mariatorres9789]

Subscribing, from CA. Excellent coverage & debate

[@bunnyluver2176]

I’d like to know how the “expert” answered the first juror’s question about the bullet at ground zero being in the same lot as the bullet in the keepsake box.