How 𝘍𝘈𝘚𝘛 can we make a PS5 Pro?

[@hehashivemind6111]

Bob saying “Ice cream so good” was not on my bingo card

[@TheIndulgers]

10:30 The fact that Sony shipped the PSPortal with only wifi 5 shows how much they care about their customer's experience. DF showed that BEST case they got +80ms of additional input latency on top of system latency. That is atrocious.

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

That's not a wifi issue. The wifi part of that is maybe 4 ms. The rest is Sony's God awful codecs

[@AwesomeNbeastMo]

5:06 bob what u doing there lol😂

[@docproof26]

😂 😂 😂 Getting the most out of it 🤷‍♂️

[@GamerDadJer]

Came here for this comment. Thanks for making it for me.

[@Joshua_Bee]

DB Bob is a great reoccurring character

[@staticfade08]

The portal isn't a Wifi 7 device right? So I guess the benefit would be the max "output" from the PS 5 PRO would saturate what the PS Portal can receive on wifi 6.

[@efad3215]

Portal is wifi 5 iirc, looking at other comments

[@staticfade08]

@@efad3215 thanks for the catch. That makes the theoretical max speed even less than what I thought. Which again, similar to having a 10mb/sec ethernet network device when your router can send 1 gb/sec still wont make your 10mb/sec card "faster" ;)

[@yochrisnelson]

Legitimately incredible video, you’re too damn funny and you consistently break my brain with some of these edits

[@MysteryMii]

13:31 I should probably note that if you're crazy enough to have 10 gig (or really anything faster than gigabit) internet, you will not get 10 gig speeds on your PS5 Pro if you plug it in to that, as it only has a Gigabit Ethernet port. If you have faster than gigabit internet and want to take advantage of those speeds, you're pretty much limited to Wi-Fi in order to do so.

[@chrislamp]

inb4 they release a new patch and start selling ps5 branded usb 10gig cards.

[@dantex2812]

It's kinda crazy to me how my technically 3rd world country has such easy and cheap access to high speed internet. I pay under 20$ per month and I get a solid 600 mb/s experience. Now, Wolf has an insane setup and sure his stuff runs much more stable. But still, with me doing next to nothing we get rather similar results

[@michaela831]

This reminds me of my uncle, posting images of his mount everest trip directly on facebook while at the base camp. Meanwhile in germany you have connectivity issues sometimes even in populated areas 😄

[@dannonyogurt98]

Understand that he is in New York. The more people you have to service the slower the network. If I had to guess the amount of Wi-Fi congestion around him is going to be substantially higher than you. Where I am in the US I pay $80 for 1,200 Mb/s (1.2Gb/s) and only goes down a few times a year for scheduled maintenance.

[@Phoenix_1991]

​@@dannonyogurt98 Nice! I pay roughly $60 (€55) for 2 Gbps here in the Netherlands. It's been rough upgrading everything to support 1+ Gbps speeds though. Kinda regret upgrading from 1 to 2 last month. Oh well.

[@pabl0sauced0]

​@@dannonyogurt98 I live about 50 minutes from Houston in a suburb of about 35k people and the only option here is Xfinity and they are charging me like $140 for gigabit internet. Monopoly internet system sucks.

[@NowOnAFM]

The PS5 Pro’s Ethernet port is only the regular 1 GB so that 10 GB port on the router is practically useless to connect on the PS5 Pro. You can, however, use that router 10 GB port if the modem supports 2.5 GB or more Ethernet so the router would extract a better connection for the network from the modem, resulting in better speeds overall. And if you want a hardwired mesh network, then the 2.5 GB-10 GB Ethernet will definitely help. Although I rarely see devices supporting 10 GB currently. 2.5 GB is starting to trend, however. Another thing to keep in mind that you should’ve covered here is that you must set the Wifi on the PS5 Pro to 6 GHz so that it takes advantage of the full speeds. Also from the router’s end, programming the device to receiving 6 GHz is recommended. As mentioned, however, the ping might be worse on 6 GHz if the PS5 Pro is not literally next to the router due to poor penetration. And ping in online gaming is a bit more important than bandwidth and speed so 5 GHz might be more optimal.

[@chriskim5535]

In todays world of WIFI, bandwidth is almost never the problem. Its latency.

[@chriswright8074]

6 6e has good latency plus it depends on your connection

[@mresab1997]

And 7?

[@Punisher9419]

Powerline adapters work really well, at least they do in the UK. You get ethernet reliability and wifi convenience.

[@just6979]

Super dependent on the home's wiring. I've had good results, shit results, and super inconsistent results, with powerline adapters. Even with the shit results, it was at least nice to not worry about interference from other wifi routers in nearby houses, despite the very slow speeds. but the inconsistent one was the worst: it was sometimes fast, but other times crazy high latency. That latency kept breaking the wired-backhaul setup for my mesh, and I couldn't figure out which appliance was causing the interference. Ended up getting a pair of tri-band routers and doing a dedicated-channel 5Ghz wireless backhaul for the secondary router in bridge mode to get wired ports where I needed them.

[@Punisher9419]

@@just6979 It's nice if you don't want to install a really long ethernet cable outside and the wifi will not reach like in a garage or upstairs behidn thick walls or something. I live in the Uk in a really really old house (400 years old) with 1 meter thick walls. One of them is actually 1.2 meters thick. The electrical wiring is probably some 50 years old and works fine with a powerline adapter but yea I can see and know it can be a problem if you use an extension cord with multiple sockets if even older wiring or something. But I should think if you have any half modern wiring and the fuse box is ont he same system it should be OK. I'm not actually sure my fuse box is on the same as the router because there is a modern ish one in the garage with a solar panel setup but who knows. I would ask an electrician to come out and check it all or re-do all the wiring but he would probably tell me to get lost because of how weird the wiring is here. The good thing is, powerline adapters are cheap and easy to install and try out so I think it's worth the try at least to see if it works well enough. I get like 50 mbps over a powerline adapter which is exactly what I would have if it was direct to the router via ethernet.

[@emerson-biggons7078]

That editing flex right off the rip. Damn

[@Nucleosynthese]

I love it when Bob gets a bit nerdy. It's cool that he is getting these prominent PC brand sponsors. You deserve it Bob 👍

[@JerryMeehanJr]

getting close to having a wulff den logo tattooed on my ass

[@Dracossaint]

Please don't

[@MilanStier]

Please don't (2)

[@WhiteWolfTechGaming]

Please do and post a pic for proof

[@connor-bc1wu]

Please do

[@CheesE_BurgeR_MaN__]

Please do

[@LoganMiller-v9q]

Yay a new WULFF DEN video 🎉

[@TynologyGaming]

I've been waiting for the 0:48 Bob crossover for like a year. Bravo, nailed it 👏

[@drwigglechin]

AI Mesh is pretty dope. So as you upgrade network equipment you can just resuse gear adding more access points around the house

[@GingerBradMan21]

Moonlight and a PC running sunshine and make sunshine open emustation is the absolute best thing i've ever done. i play games through my chrome cast, my phone and my ipad more than i do at my desk now.

[@efad3215]

Right now trying to get Playnite to grab all the metadata and export installed games to Sunshine to combine libraries, but yeah emustation for rom launching is good

[@GingerBradMan21]

​@@efad3215 I actually use emustation to launch all my PC games as well, the ones I use a controller atleast. You just put all the shortcuts to the games in the "desktop" folder or the "steam" folder. My steam and desktop folders were getting cluttered so I moved the shortcuts to Sony marketed games to the PS4 folder. The only thing I have in sunshine is Emustation and it launches to my "Last Played" collection. I have a shortcut on my Chromecast that actually skips opening moonlight and just looks like emustation is built in, it's fantastic and made me start playing games I never would before and actually finish them. Plus has gotten my wife into gaming who never played previously.

[@hrw7978]

THE GAMING PORT 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥

[@goodguyalpha4308]

13:23 You forgot to mention the main feature of Wifi 7, Multi Link Operation (MLO) completely, which is the thing used for higher speeds and more stable connection with distance with your device. Also the gaming port segment for 10 gigabit connection to your ps5 was a lie in this case because ps5 and ps5 pro only support 1 gigabit connectivity on a hardware level. In this case it was only 1 gigabit link with a higher QoS value than other devices. So it was misleading a little. Otherwise interesting review and great production quality as always.

[@Kentman513]

Definition of infomercial. Liked and subscribed.

[@AndIThinkThisIsIt]

Bob has the best clone bits in the community. Hands down.

[@MattKimura]

I have a WiFi 6e router and my steam deck oled and PC are both WiFi 6 compatible. It really helps me stream between both devices.

[@TynologyGaming]

As someone that splits my time between US and Canada with an ASUS router, it was insane to me that I was able to set up a VPN *while in Canada* and access my home network NAS to pull video files off. That feature alone is worth the cost of entry by far.

[@zxe_totinos5267]

Loved the vid but this isn’t really a ps5 video as much as it is a wifi 7 video

[@delecti]

You should look into powerline ethernet. For some obnoxious reason, my fiber comes into my house in the master bathroom's closet, and running a cable to my TV or office would be ridiculous. Instead there's ethernet between the router and a powerline ethernet adapter, and there are also adapters around my house to receive it. Gets around the wall limitation of Wifi without needing cables lying all over.

[@josephking5517]

Curious if you have heard of MoCA. This would potentially allow you to hardwire your consoles there using your existing coaxial connections

[@anderspaulsson]

Its not the wifi 6, its playstation being limited

[@edwardgreenjr167]

I understand the sponsor spots. I personally wouldn't get one since their hardware quality and especially customer service is very hit/miss. But I like that more people are going into the nitty gritty on network discussions. Would love to see more vids around the 3d printing adventures.

[@TheTinyCyclist]

The BCU (Bob Cinematic Universe) continues to grow.

[@davidmulcahy8548]

I use tp link power links to get a hard line into my office/game room. I use a second router and an Ethernet switch then in the office. Impacts the speed but ping and stability are much better. Probably overkill.

[@HaoToDraw69]

that is definitely the drones on the news

[@DaiChurch]

You had me at bossa nova

[@dannymolina5549]

Love the wifi 7 plug. Nobody uses wifi for online gaming lmao

[@204017754]

Great video. Did you ever think you’d get this good at making these videos?

[@ggarcia4114]

Love the chapters!

[@GalactusTheDestroyer]

My PS5 works great on my Wi-Fi 6e router. Plenty of speed and on on the second floor.

[@Xzi-izx]

Excuse me, what did you do to that poor router's antenna?

[@brahyamalmonteruiz9984]

5:20 bandwidth? Dude thats the new channel for the wifi communication

[@TheKingkrash]

This was an awesome video. I am definitely not gonna buy this router because the price is diabolical! but great video! will definitely forward to my rich friends and see if they will buy me one lol!

[@Skywardsaiyan]

Bob learning to use shadow clone jutsu was the best thing to happen to his videos

[@magictriangle6878]

For some reason I assumed this video would be a speed run for building a PS5 pro lmao

[@robbygoodale]

BOB I LOV EYOUR SKITS!

[@Weeble_Warbles]

That router isn't scary. What's scary is the amount of unread messages badges on that Twitch and Discord app.

[@VayaVosi]

The ice cream was so good tho

[@seethruhead7119]

i can't imagine not hard wiring a console

[@Jav-du6in]

I just ordered this router. When it gets delivered am I supposed to get rid of my verizon router and use the Asus as my main router? Or is there another way?

[@boomerps2]

5:06 what did you just do to that "huge" antenna??????

[@timotheus2003]

Ice cream is so good

[@awesomesauce8151]

I use a T-Mobile home Internet default gateway and 4 consoles connected and no problems so "5 PlayStations at the same time" isnt a flex to be proud of lol

[@dannonyogurt98]

I thought it was pretty obvious he's not talking about just five devices connected to the network at the same time. He's talking about five PlayStations being used at the same time at their max theoretical bandwidth.

[@awesomesauce8151]

@dannonyogurt98 U can't use 5 PlayStations or any device for that matter at their "max theoretical bandwidth" for an extended period of time unless u run 5 simultaneous speed tests and at that point ur Internet speed is ur bottleneck. Other than that each one is just sending intermittent data to stream video or play games online

[@dannonyogurt98]

@awesomesauce8151 Yeah obviously the ISP is not going to support that kind of load and he even says as much in the video. But not all data transfer is through the ISP You can also have internetwork transfers. He wasn't trying to lie or flex It was just a visual to show how large of an improvement Wi-Fi 7 is on the hardware side. That it could support five PlayStations on Wi-Fi 6 You wouldn't even see a hit. If you ran five PlayStation 5s on your network and start to transferring games over Wi-Fi could your router support all of that? Obviously you wouldn't do that, It was just an aide to help people understand.

[@KJonesIsMe]

Try running a KZbin stream on another device and also run a PS+ could game on the highest settings. I have the Tmobile home internet gateway and my game stutters on my PS5 when cloud gaming and running a KZbin livestream on my MacBook. It has its limitations in my specific use case scenario. I also live in NYC and it could be that I play during surge hours so idk

[@eywrong]

Have you looked into powerline adapters?

[@namegoeshere197]

I need to stop watching KZbin at 3 am. It took my all way until 8:00 to realize the two people was the same person.

[@ManLikeBon]

What are you doing to those antennas Bob?

[@Dracossaint]

I will point out usually what's the problem with Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi oftentimes could be faster than ethernet. Problem being is there is always a high ping that hits every once in awhile randomly, rather it be from a radio tower, cell phone signal or whatever. That's why sometimes Wi-Fi is not ideal, crosstalk between radio waves. Including Wi-Fi itself interfering

[@CaptainRex332]

My internet speed isn’t even 1 mb a second 🥲

[@BESToftheWEST8]

ur ads are the only ones i watch especially after that one ad w the baby version of u i try lookin 4 tha5 vid w it but 2 no avail help me shiet Gad me lol

[@kingzombie951]

I think Wi-Fi 6 is already pretty fast I'm fine with that. My pc motherboard either has Wi-Fi 6 or Wi-Fi 5 can't rember pretty good x570 board for only $200 dollors. Also Wi-Fi 6 was pretty new when I bought my pc. My Wi-Fi is ass so I don't even fully use it

[@MJosephJr]

Thanks for sharing this video just as I paid $1,000 to upgrade my Orbi mesh router system to 6E 😂

[@moises32123]

Bro finally heard us and changed his router 🤣

[@racingaerials4493]

Ayy my Odin 2 has wifi 7 😁

[@Cream_Sleaze]

funny shit dood Like actually funny and entertaining thank you

[@nasonvillanueva4542]

“Gaming Network”, you mean segment? 🤔

[@hong_kong_phooey]

Someone needs to introduce Mr. Wulff to UniFi.

[@blakerenimu9033]

4:20: Ok HOW???? I've been researching online and ive found nothing and i really need to fix that specifically 😅 Also please don't molest the antenna of Mr Sith Lord?

[@trevorgrover5619]

They already made wifi 7?

[@ibti7mkhan]

Dude chill 5:05

[@FederalBureau_OfInvestigations]

Mm ice cream so good lmao

[@greenprotag]

"This isn't going to make me a PS portal fan, I still rather play it on a dedicated device" Sure...until you realize that streaming to a PS portal OR streaming from a PC to say a G-cloud or other android handheld running arm will mean that the battery for said device will probably last for several hours. I love my steam deck, but streaming to my G-cloud means I can have 2 or 3 long play sessions completely off charger... while my poor steam deck can barely get more than a few hours on an Indy game before screaming for it's charger...

[@Hako_exe]

Oooo. 16min video on wifi 7 Gonna pass but hey bro get the bag ya know 😊

[@Hako_exe]

Correction 17:12 second…. Sorry I’m dumb what can I say

[@daveys_gaming_corner]

Bro just had to grope the antennae

[@KostasKrits]

Sorry to say that but the video is terrible. You are clearly not a networking related channel. Most of the information given are literally useless and mostly marketing terms probably indicated by ASUS. You should stick to what you are doing well and leave networking stuff for people that actually know what they are doing.

[@matthewjbauer1990]

The average gamer doesn't need WiFi 7. Gaming doesn't need it. Downloads, maybe. I can see a congested house maybe needing it as a bandwidth thing but that's where ethernet comes in and even then, you've got bigger problems to worry about (like your internet congestion). Is this video just an ad for the Asus router? Probably.

[@doomy_doomy2225]

How is this better than a mesh network?

[@Kng__Wzrd]

Aye yo @bob 5:06

[@AlexisMarie9511]

i’m starting to think you actually have a twin you’ve been keeping in the basement and only let out for videos

[@soad11dude]

Who would win in a ping test.... a $950CDN router... or a $12CDN cablely boiiii Also, after the warranty claim denials going on at asus earlier this year, public sentiment isn't exactly high with them right now. I know my next PC build won't have a single one of their parts in it. They spend more on sponsoring influencers versus taking care of the paying customer, which is incredibly disingenuous. Just my opinion. Take it or leave it however you want.

[@MoreTechSir]

Still waiting for you to make a ps5😂

[@Map_of_Your_Head]

what actually fully utilizes wifi 7 today lol

[@pfcokelly]

Virtual desktop users 😍🤤

[@trevorgrover5619]

We need people to talk about networks and stuff like this. I don't know why it feels like you're clickbaiting with the PS5 Pro title lol

[@13sonel]

3:40 Not true, I work for an ISP and we Provide all our customers with wifi 7 routers, keep in mind it's fiber and we are the only ISP at the moment that provides that.

[@atl6s]

can you please not quote misleading "theoretical" speeds. real-world speeds for wifi 6 are 800-1200mpbs and for wifi 7 it's 2-4gbps

[@just6979]

Most of those big bandwidth numbers don't matter for something like PS5 to PS Portal. They both need to share same channel, it doesn't matter how big the channel is because they both need to take turns. The turns will be over faster since they can transfer more data in a shorter time thanks to the bandwidth, but each device still has to wait for the other device to finish, and this sequential operation adds latency: -PS5 sends frame A to router -router sends frame A to Portal -PS5 sends frame B to router -router sends frame B to Portal Using that separate 6Ghz network, or a separate 5Ghz network on Wifi6 routers with dual 5Ghz radios, to put the PS5 and the Portal on separate channels would be better: -PS5 sends frame A to router -PS5 sends frame B to router, while router sends frame A to Portal -router sends frame B to Portal, while PS5 sends frame C to router It's not really frame by frame, obvi, but you can see how the independent channels allow for parallelization thus decreasing latency: sharing the same channel takes 4 transmissions for 2 "frames", using different channels takes 3 transmissions for 2.5 frames (the extra half is because frame C is already halfway to the Portal after just 3 tranmissions from the PS5) Seperate channels/networks _should_ be effectively close to wired speeds and latency even with WiFi6, but having one side wired is always going to be best because there is always some latency in Wifi, even if only one device is currently on a channel, because the router always needs to be ready for other devices, and that checking takes time. I did the split network thing myself: one 5Ghz radio on my main tri-radio Wifi6 router is basically dedicated to my Steam Deck or my dinky laptop, on a different 5Ghz channel than the 40 other devices in the house. With my PC hardwired into the main router, Steam Remote Play is practically flawless: device to device latency is 1ms! So that's 1ms for inputs to the big rig plus 1ms for frames back to the Deck or laptop, effectively 1/8th of a 60Hz frame of input lag. That's probably a better response than the screen on the laptop! Hmm, now I'm wondering what the hardware input latency is on a Steam Deck...

[@Tarets]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Neither your console has to use wifi, nor does it need to share a channel or even a wifi network with PS Portal. You also don't need multi-band access points to run multiple networks simultaneously on different channels.

[@JeskidoYT]

yum ice cream so goood

[@-Airwalk1616-]

6:46 beautifully done onion skin image overlay editing there. Second to furthest right PS5, has too much light on it for having a PS5 right in front of it. That's the only tell. PEOPLE GONNA be asking you if they can take 1 of your 5 PS5s of11f your hands for you still, though. Hahahaha!!!

[@flamewave64]

5:06

[@ItsAMeErick]

I can’t believe this router caters to morally amphibious people… Gimme but not at that insane price lol

[@Diehlornodiehl]

$700 for a router?! That can't be worth it.

[@jodiemcclure7854]

bahb called me a nark 😅

[@milkywayxd1803]

Just buyed that router it was good deal 419 XD I have 2,5gb down 1gb up my kabel company gives 8,5gb down 5gb up I dont need it its so expensive 200 a month

[@brokenm4n]

Doesn’t the PS5 have an ethernet port ?

[@lorddeecee]

Did you not watch the video ?

[@nanodrummer]

I'd never use wifi on the host, if I wanted to stream games. Dont care if the Ps5 Super Pro will come with wifi 15.

[@thegodofeyes2712]

The only way to make it fast is to sell it and buy a PC.

[@roninstormYT]

lol while us on pc we can upgrade too wifi 7 lol while ya have too pay 700 for wifi 7 we can cheap upgrade too it on pc we just buy a wifi 7 card adapter lol on pc

[@theultimategamertr2353]

I hope you're not planning on buying a Switch 2. They don't deserve the money. It's less about product and more about the Shittendo themselves. They're literally mafia of gaming.

[@snake098765]

Disappointed. Only 30 gigabits 😢😔. We need at the very least 5 billion terabits to play dorknight

[@memphisreines]

If only Playstation would way overkill on the things really that matter.

[@Kng__Wzrd]

It’s Thursday my dude 🕷️ ahhhhhhhhh

[@fellasplease]

big yoshi at mcdonald’s on the 3DS😭😭💀💀

[@fena0701]

could it be a litle bit uglier?