Wyatt Earp Was A Gun Grabber

[@williams3711]

unequal enforcement if you were friends with law enforcement sounds like "may issue" CCW permits

[@jimtreebob2096]

Ding ding ding

[@stochinblockin]

Ironically, AZ has now become a Constitutional Carry state. The state has the authority to override any local ordinance such as Tombstones #9, although private businesses and property owners can still ban firearms.

[@miller8097]

@@HockeyFan430 some of the values changed sure but the general republican and democrat parties are somewhat the same.

[@kingrama2727]

@@HockeyFan430 That myth has been debunked many, many times... Do some research dummy

[@kingrama2727]

@@miller8097 nothing changed, that “party switch” myth has been debunked many times over. The Republicans stand for freedom and the Democrats are racist fascists... nothing has changed

[@davidgasiorek4134]

@@kingrama2727 As a European I can't tell if this is satire. Poe's Law in full effect right now.

[@kingrama2727]

@@davidgasiorek4134 nothing i said is “satirical”... The myth that the racist democrats became Republicans and Republicans are now the old racist Democrats is pure BS... that myth was debunked numerous times yet dummies like you obviously still believe it. The fact you’re a European too boot is hilarious...

[@Meeko1010100112]

Moral of the story, Selectively enforcing laws and rules to work in your own advantage to the detriment of others is kinda unfair, and really likely to stir up even more bad feelings.

[@DeviantOllam]

an outstanding video and one that makes a terrific point about urban vs rural safety. it always irked me that at the opening of the otherwise-marvelous film "Tombstone" we hear the narrator utter the following... Cattle drovers turn cow towns into armed camps... with murder rates higher than those of modern-day New York or Los Angeles. When, of course, these towns were remarkably safe, at least as far as violent crime was concerned. Thievery and dishonest dealing was of course a problem (and a natural result of a system far-removed from the "organized" nature of mainstream society, wherein bad actors could often travel between towns more nimbly than their bad reputations) but violence was rare. The very fact that we still talk about incidents like the "Shootout by the O.K. Corral" is due to the fact that they were so remarkable, even back then. To quote Bill Bryson, "In the ten years that Dodge City was the biggest, rowdiest cow town in the world, only thirty-four people were buried in the infamous Boot Hill Cemetery, and almost all of them had died of natural causes."

[@AGS363]

And the moral of the story: Do not hire criminals or semi-criminals as law enforcement.

[@CountArtha]

Easier said than done when nobody else wants the job.

[@FakeSchrodingersCat]

I can't remember did any of the Wyatt Earp movies use the tagline "based on a true story?"

[@det.bullock4461]

@@FakeSchrodingersCat Keep in mind that most sources about Earp were commissioned by the man himself, most people when doing a movie just use his autobiographies without checking in documents of the time the parts he neglected to mention to his ghost writers so even if they say that chances are that the movie will be very skewed in Earp's favour.

[@billbrasky6827]

Very pertinent with what is going on today.

[@moldyskittle]

Bill Brasky was about to say... it’s sad nothing has changed.

[@Psyconaut116]

I think Ian's trying to send us a message with all those pant slaps in the end.

[@mikemarion19]

LPH is he slapping his Glock

[@woodedroger2728]

LPH he's telling us to check out his patreon in Morse code

[@LUR1FAX]

Mike Marion You mean his gl*ck?

[@TwilightsChapter13]

Is it just me or does Ian look really uncomfortable in that cowboy getup. He looks much more natural when marching to war in 1918 with the USMC.

[@Sunfade38]

give him some time, he'll grow into it.

[@brabhamfreaman166]

Anyone else notice up to 7:00, Karl describing the 'victimisation' of the cow-boys in a *single take* whilst *walking steadily backwards* the entire time! Awesome video guys from a recently recruited (UK-based) Patreon supporter - and it was largely to ensure continuation of this kind of straightforward historical content that tipped the scales for me.

[@hexlukas]

And yet again - as is almost always the case - the most historically accurate version of events known is FAR more interesting, dramatic, and compelling than any movies made on the subject. Whether it's ancient Rome, WWI, or 'The Old West', I've always found this the case (at least in every instance I can recall.) Why do Hollywood types (in most any role) have to get their grubby little fingers all over every story and muck it up - or like they would say, make it "better." I'd pay good money to see this version of history, with all of it's grey areas, complex characters, and nastiness on both sides. Telling this tale from the point of view of the 'cow-boys' would be a notably novel take on it. I think it might be better though to not let the lens choose a side, just show the characters dispationately as they were, and leave the audience to deal with the moral ambiguities. (The Cohen brothers come to mind for being able to pull that off sufficiently well.) -- Hey Ian & Karl, you guys spin a mean yarn. Maybe it's time to bust out a script! Or even produce an indie film yourselves. (I'd happily volunteer my services.) Movie star $$ > Patreon $$ ;-)

[@Nguroa]

It is always good to be reminded that there is ALWAYS nuance to a story, that one side is not The Bad Guys and the other is not The Good Guys. Thanks guys for posting.

[@CrysResan]

In the old west it seems to be if there is some sort of trouble then both sides are being dickheads.

[@VFRSTREETFIGHTER]

These Old West Vignettes are fantastic. Thought provoking and educational. Keep up the good work, guys.

[@elektro3000]

I really love seeing you guys filming historical videos on location!

[@drtm1718]

This was fascinating. And relevant! Will we be seeing more?

[@peterbenson2185]

In Britain we still refer to unscrupulous building contractors as "Cowboy Builders" :-)

[@buggs9950]

Hence the tagline for Patels Builders; You've had the cowboys, now try the Indians..

[@sierrabravo7368]

We call unscrupulous or unprofessional people as cowboys

[@thebigone545]

I love these tales. They are one of the best additions you guys have made to your channel. As a Canadian of the young generation, I never got exposed to these tales of the old west. It makes my day when you upload one of these videos.

[@billstevens5277]

I remember shooting combat matches there in the 1980's, they would always remind us at the end that the city had a no-carry ordinance. The rest of the state allowed open carry.

[@jringo45acp]

I realized long ago that the Earps were the villains in that story (at least the way Tombstone told it). They couldn't stop the Cowboys in the commission of a real crime, so they had to make up the crime to enforce on them....

[@planeflyer21]

Great vignette, thanks! This reminds me I should head up to Tombstone for lunch at Teodoro's.

[@axelc8801]

During the gunfight show at the O.K Corral you had to cheer when the Earps came in to the stage and boo when the cowboys came in. Poor Cowboys.

[@pilgrimm23]

Thanks Karl. I like your take on history. Speaking as a former New Mexico resident for 20 + years.... you are spot on.... I salute you and your channel

[@DuaneThomas1963]

It has always amazed me that, even today, there are still ardent proponents of either the Earp faction or the Cowboys as being the "good guys" in this one. The more I learned about the Gunfight Around the Corner From the O.K. Corral, the more I came to realize there were no good guys, this was a conflict between two groups of lowlifes.

[@MrSmith336]

I enjoy History, as I am a buff. One thing I have learned over time is that, I never judge past events by todays standards or norms. Thanks Ian and Karl, I look forward to these types of videos.

[@Trancefreakeh]

Wonderfully brought, this video. I'd like more of this, if possible!

[@CommaV9414]

I really like this style of video. And not just because I'm fascinated by old West history

[@Seouldrift7]

Keep in mind Democrat Sheriff Behan who was not too fond of the Earps. He was friends with some of the Cowboys like Wyatt was friends with Doc Holiday. Just saying.

[@noahjackl2240]

That largely makes sense though. The largest group of the electorate would have been rural Democrats, so most elected local officials would have been Democrats, at least I would think

[@Seouldrift7]

@@noahjackl2240 Yes it seem the democrats had the rural vote and the republicans had the town vote.

[@rogerduke5341]

This is a great video series guys. I didn't know what to expect with the first one, but have enjoyed everyone of them. I know you've stated this take more time than other videos, but I for one appreciate the effort.

[@baryonyxwalkeri3957]

Interesting. I have heard not too long ago that in the european middle ages (in some areas), weapon laws were similar in that you were allowed to carry weapons coming into town and when leaving town, but not when going around inside the town.

[@1TruNub]

Absolutely love your old West vignettes please keep it up

[@sd09gfh8sfgjmsf9yhkm]

I am a direct descendant of the mclaury brothers, my grandmother used to tell us every year.

[@BogeyTheBear]

Weapons ordinances go back to antiquity. Were you to enter a medieval city, you were required to store your sword in the residence you were staying in, be it a host or a tavern. You were expected to be armed when you left the city and traveled the countryside, but weapons were prohibited within city limits.

[@chrisE815]

I was convinced that a fake drive by shooting was going to occur at 9:25

[@jimtreebob2096]

Extremely interesting! I’ve always wondered more about Earp’s life as a Well’s Fargo Detective. It’s always seemed to be glosses over in favor of his time in either Wichita, Dodge City, or Tombstone.

[@alexanderorr2528]

Another great video guys, I've been watching a bunch of your historical story-based videos and I can't get enough of them. Keep up the great work!

[@ExUSSailor]

So, the 1993 movie, "Tombstone", is surprisingly historically accurate.

[@drmaudio]

These videos are my favorite content you do. I very much enjoy them.

[@regaeontop6021]

This was great! I was hoping it would be longer. Please do a follow up if possible.

[@zacharyking1489]

your best historical presentation yet

[@the49thline]

would love to see you guys discuss or test a boberg handgun. It always seemed to be an interesting firearm, even if not the most innovative and/or effective

[@whatfor5]

+

[@stonewalljackson6168]

Awesome video! One of the coolest places I've visited is Tombstone, the history is amazing.

[@CaptMikey-vc4ym]

Something just occurred to me, you guys are better than the Myth Busters were! And you all improve every time. Well done!

[@gussie88bunny]

I note a number of commentators bristling at Earp and his gun control. I think there's a well-founded feeling Earp was a dick who used the law as a tool to advance his own interests. Important to remember though, the gun ban was instituted by the town, because numerous other dicks kept getting drunk and shooting their guns all over the place at 2 in the morning. And town folks found this somewhat distracting, had an angry town meeting, knees jerked, and guns got banned. THEN they hired a bunch of dicks to enforce the law, and shit got real.If the hired law had been good fellas with a care for long-term peace, with diplomatic tongues and fair hands, things probably would have been very different. Perhaps after a few years the gun ban would have been lifted, replaced by very heavy punishment for using guns wrongfully in town, but in all other instances guns allowed to be owned and carried peacefully.Regardless, it's dicks like Earp and his 'huckleberry' Doc Holliday that make the old West the fun and often myth-laden awesome that so many of us know and love today.

[@b1laxson]

I mentioned you in a comment I just made for this video. Wanted to thank you for the reference. Whether or not I agree with all you say it is good to bring up related matters, like what was going on before the ban was introduced.

[@gussie88bunny]

Okay, geez, thanks man.

[@clydemarshall8095]

Yeah, I know the movie isn’t fully accurate but it didn’t completely sit right with me when they banned guns in town

[@grendelgrendelsson5493]

Another very,very good video. It always seemed to me that the Earps and the "Cow-Boys" were different sides of the same coin. Thank you very much again!!

[@DigGil3]

The time when men were men, democrats supported gun use and the biggest threat to a gun owner wasn't a paper target.

[@yeoldegunporn]

Good thing Earp moved to Los Angeles and died regaling writers of tales of adventure. Or else we might remember him differently.

[@InrangeTv]

True. Have you read the Flood transcripts? ~Karl

[@yeoldegunporn]

No I have not actually, but I guess now I will.

[@animal0mother]

7:40 $25 (1851) => $830 (2020)

[@willskittles5544]

Like the video guys. Everything changes but, nothing changes.

[@paulmanson253]

Will Siddle The only surprises come from the history you do not know. That is more or less a restatement of what you just wrote,and it is a direct quote from Harry S Truman. A very wise man.

[@CoryA2503]

Hello from Canada. I visited Tombstone about 30 years ago...memory is not my friend, and much is forgotten. One of the things I learned was that cost/rd was huge, and "making someone dance" was incredibly cost prohibitive. ...What were ammo prices for Earp era slingers?

[@brendanh8978]

cops selectively enforcing the law based on their personal biases. I guess some things don't change.

[@RIVERVIEWIAM]

Well, that escalated quickly.

[@MrRoboskippy]

Great video guys, thanks.

[@zayacz123]

Epitaph, by Mary Doria Russel is a novel based on the life of Wyatt Earp that’s a fun read. The OK Corral gunfight haunted Earp his whole life. There’s a theory that the fight began when Billy Clanton, who was standing behind his horse, grabbed for his rifle. The horse moved away from him, leaving him exposed, and the shooting began. Billy, supposedly was not the fighting type. He just ended up in the middle of it. Ike Clanton was crazy, having been abused by his father. Coincidentally, Wyatt Earp’s father also abused him, breaking many of his teeth. Russel thinks that may have been the reason for his lifelong devotion to the dentist, Doc Holiday. Interesting stuff! From the Man Who Shot Liberty Valance; “When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.” Great video, guys!

[@florinivan6907]

Long story short Earp had the advantage of outliving most gunslingers and telling his highly doctored version of events to gullible journalists. And only now have people slowly started to realise he was at best shady and at worst a full blown jerk.

[@hpenaranda01]

I believe this is the best one of all your videos @ youtube. This one can be broadcasted at H2...

[@dantemacdonald7672]

I sure hope Karl's middle name doesn't begin with a K for the sake of his initials

[@InrangeTv]

It does not.

[@dantemacdonald7672]

@@InrangeTv ah, well i'm delighted to hear it, thank you for humoring my curiosity

[@damaster77854]

Just because a something has been practiced throughout history doesn't make it right.

[@davidmurphy8364]

This was sooo good, you boys do a most excellent job.

[@terekcossack2]

Awesome thanks guys! Love the vignettes!

[@daveallen007]

That was fascinating and well presented. Thank you.

[@EagleEye88]

Here is what the forefathers thought of "gun control" "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776 "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778 "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787 "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788 “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” - George Mason 1788 “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.” - Richard Henry Lee American Statesman, 1788 “The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” - Alexander Hamilton. The Federalist Papers at 184-8 "The Constitution of most of our states {and the United States} assert that all power is inherent in the people, that they may exercise it by themselves: that is their right and duty to be at all times armed" ~Thomas Jefferson "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms, are laws of such a nature. They disarm those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants: they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." ~Thomas Jefferson "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense" ~Alexander Hamilton

[@bigburd875]

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.” Karl Marx

[@huey13player]

such a cool place I'm very happy to be so close to all this history while stationed here

[@versal339]

One of the best and most accurate descriptions of the causes of the fight at the "OK" Corral." Yes it was political.

[@b1laxson]

Thanks for the history viewpoint. I like that you touched in early on the environments outside of the town. While we will have various opinions based on modern day expectations the laws we have developed because of dealings like this good/bad/ugly. Laws are not a fixed thing and change over time. Hopefully for the better, but better can be subjective.If you compare to other days in other cultures a Samurai could kill someone just for not tilting their head far enough and Western prisons once had prisoners wear masks cranking a number counter that did nothing. I see another commenter +gussie88bunny pointed out that where were random gun firings that were part of the reason for the ordnance law. Before I get to far into the complexities of law just remember it is a process and there are useful and productive ways to change laws or support laws. One of those is to discuss historical events like what they have shown us here.

[@justinbell5696]

Love these videos, guys. Keep'em coming.

[@Th3Pr0digalS0n]

Love the hat. Looks comfortable, fashionable and awesome.

[@glenwad6322]

went to tombstone last year and it was a nice place to visit.

[@petesheppard1709]

Wow. Thanks for the education!!

[@vgamedude12]

super interesting video. subscribed to forgotten weapons but now subscribing here as well.

[@St.FighterZ]

Very cool guys. Thank you.

[@OrangeAmped]

Watching this video again, I think it's funny that Karl is apparently creeping towards Ian with the camera and forcing him to shuffle backeards as he says his closing monologue.

[@kodiakkeith]

Cochise Stronghold is in the Dragoon Mountains, not the Chiricahuas. The Dragoons are visible from Tombstone to the north, so that's probably the range he indicates behind him. The Chiricahuas are well east and I don't think are visible from Tombstone. Both ranges were Apache country.

[@experiment506]

Really this shows that with all laws and rules the one thing that matters most is context. If you tell everyone in japan not to bring firearms around everythings fine, but telling someone not to have guns in the enviornment of the old west and its a serious detriment to people's feeling of personal safety.

[@koehlerrk1]

Excellent vid gentlemen!

[@kitchenjail3546]

Sometimes your heroes turn out to be just as bad, if not worse than the villains.

[@atfyoutubedivision955]

Truth is, the game was rigged from the start.

[@jackeyxm8401]

that was a cool episode guys thanks for that info

[@r3771-n2r]

Love this sort of content. More please.

[@everettchris1]

This story sounds remarkably similar to any number of recent events.

[@denniswilson1903]

Pretty good, but you left out sheriff Behan and the other political elements of this item. There is also the question of Mexican relations based on where the cow-boys were appropriating their cattle. I also think that one of the cow-boys had killed a earlier sheriff or town marshal. He was curly Bill Brocius and would figure later in Earp's vendetta ride. You guys are lucky to live and work in this area. It is so much of American history. Thanks.

[@mrd1433]

Karl did a video on Curly Bill already.

[@denniswilson1903]

Thanks.

[@pepperoniexpress7904]

guys, you should have a podcast.

[@stephenandersen4625]

The Democrat/Republican split also reflected some of the regional differences left over from the Civil War. Crime rates typically rise and drop independently of particular laws. I would have to check Arizona. Many states that did allow open carry statrting in the 90s experienced drops in crime but a a rate less than the general national trend so whether is was a help or hinderence is unclear.

[@seanrea550]

crime has less to do with how well armed a population is and rather with how much respect for a community and the laws the population has. you can have two equally well armed communities with very diffrent crime rates because of a diffrent level of respect for the law. this can also be an issue with inconsistent or rediculus laws that overly restrict what a person is capable of doing or carrying with out incident out of either need, habit or both. this can be said of many weapons laws that target tools of common use like box cutters or short bladed knifes along with the weapons they are trying to regulate. these laws do weed out the bad apples that abuse such openings if allowed but hampers those that don't as well. as such more could be done to refine the laws but laws only are effective with enforcement and respect of the law.

[@knutdergroe9757]

You hit the reason New Mexico gun laws are state law only. We are a open carry state, no city or county can inacte a gun law greater then state law. And even private businesses cannot restrict open carry unless the sale of alcohol. By the by, Walmart is not a liquor store. It sells guns or at least ammo, and have employees under 21.

[@WalksWithNoFear]

Those are some fancy horseless carriages passing by.

[@kenhelmers2603]

Thanks guys!

[@mytmousemalibu]

Great job guys!

[@versoarmamentcompany]

Great video as always

[@nokiot9]

Weren’t most old west towns like this? Banning firearms on MainStreet?

[@tolkus53]

You gotta take time and dig into the issue before getting ready to take action. Something to apply to modern life too.

[@Robin6512]

Great video guy's.

[@zed-xr4353]

Interesting as always.

[@ClancyWoodard-yw6tg]

Yes I have heard of this before in these frontier towns cowboys coming in off the range. Would have to turn in their firearms to the sheriff and then get them when they left town

[@G45p3r1337]

Ian smacking his pants like crazy 9:20

[@Bob1942ful]

excellent video. I have read several books on the subject and watched several of the movies. What I found that was not covered interestingly enough by those people was the Democrat and Republican alignment. Funny how things have changed.

[@SmallDisturbedChild]

This was a really good episode thank you, it also gave an insight in to Ians personal life, he appears to enjoy a good thigh/leg slapping at the end there.

[@Dannyn829]

Awesome I love this series!!

[@tuck234]

Hope you guys stop by Texas to do some stuff on Texas Rangers and Outlaws.

[@hexlukas]

tuck234 - What he said. I know folks at Ft Concho and Ft Chadbourne that would love to have you.

[@ceterfo]

Smacks legs "these babies right here these babies right here"

[@sillysad3198]

MOAR!!!!!! of those!

[@matthewurban2091]

You mean to tell me that the movie bent the truth!?!?!? No way!!

[@evilreddog]

in a 2 gun match with bolt action rifles, could you try and get a hold of a norwegian krag? would be awesome to see a 2gm with it vs a swedish mauser or something

[@tulemike6627]

alcohol and gunpowder don't mix.but i don't drink.so.