X4 Foundations: 6.0 - Another demonstration of the boron fleet, anti S spacecraft capability

Hello everybody,
In this I show another demostration of the boron fleet anti spacecraft capability.
Also, towards the end, I show a glimse of how things would be if I would have to relly on my dimwit destroyers for anti capital ships engagements.
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I like to share my X4 Foundations experiences, some because they are really amazing, some because they are really anoying.
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[@DrKartoffelsalat]

There is something supremely satisfying about the hailstorm of ion gatling fire from all those Makos.

[@dusk1947]

Personally, I think these ships are amazing as a compliment to a mixed fleet. The fast carrier (Guppy), Thresher, and Hydra in particular were great additions to my own mainly Terran & Split battle groups. I also found the Ray to be great at static defense positions like guarding defense stations next to gates. But I would not want to run Boron as a pure fleet comp.

[@ragnos28]

I can make the boron fleet work as far as fleet combat is concern. But the borons are screwed in regards of station demolition. 🤔Guess this goes along with their defensive doctrine. Never made mixed race fleets, always race specific, also the tech must be race specific.

[@egoaut]

​​@@ragnos28 , is this why we have not seen Shiths fleets in action? It is funny to see their pikes getting smaller when they land😂.

[@ragnos28]

@@egoaut No...you did not see Shiths fleets in action, because I did not get ToA, reasons being: - ugly ass ships - I have zero interest in piracy - I really did not want more pirate factions harassing my traders - scraping economy only work acceptably in Avarice sectors, otherwise is not a good alternative to normal economy - I've seen plenty topics of players complaining about the Tide mechanics, and decided I don't want to deal with that - ugly arse sectors (the one that looks like a purple tunnel, don't remember the name). I've only liked the Astrid, because it gave us a bed for us to sleep 😋, but I would not go through the things I've mention above, just for one ship. Coincidently, I would buy a DLC, that have just the Astrid, and none of that other shit. 😅

[@egoaut]

@@ragnos28 , 😀 I thought the same in the beginning. But i like them more and more. Nice people for my ships, a little bit like borg, and belly showing woman. Erlking rules, i dont need TER OP dreadnoughts anymore. Barbarossas, and the L miner are best trade ships you can get. Astrid is a nice afk/sinza ship, and OP with multiverse missions in KI hands (ugly decelaration). I always build complexes the old way, dont need these scrap things. Maybe when i use HQ as deathstar jumping in Xenon Sectors.....

[@ragnos28]

@@egoaut Yeah...but I'm the one that still wait for an Andromeda Ascendant mod for X4...and you give me the Erlking....yeah, nope. And like I said....there are too many players on egosoft forums that pretty much curse the day they bought ToA...

[@bagalas87]

The thumbnail is epic. Best clickbait I've seen in a while.

[@ragnos28]

Was not me, man...good ol' random 😁

[@TheShootist]

For the Queen!

[@Sonny22888]

Does the high missile capacity of the Thresher fill any niche?

[@ragnos28]

Maybe 🤔Don't use missiles on M ships turrets. They runout too fast, and against S/M ships. I don't mind rearming torpedoes, because those are used only against capital ships, so they last for a while. Rearming for missiles, would not be worth it, imo.

[@HyperXcube]

28:25 god that must have been rage inducing

[@ragnos28]

Why, what happened? 🤔

[@bg3841]

IMO the boron anti station/ cap strategy is to rely on Barracudas with Dumbfire or torps. You strip the shields then send in an unholy amount of bombers to finish the job.

[@ragnos28]

I have fond memories of my Barracuda wing not being able to catch a xenon K they were ordered to engage, and after a few minutes of frustration having to send the interceptor Mako to kill the engines. 😅That was the last time I've used Barracudas as bombers (or any role for that matter).😐 In fact, Barracudas are so slow that I'm half convinced that even a defence station would be able to run away from them...🤔🤪

[@bg3841]

​@@ragnos28hahaha. Well I suppose that is a point

[@ragnos28]

@@bg3841 The image of that K going in to the distance with the Baracudas after it, like a hen with its babies, is forever stuck in my mind. 😅Peak X4 gameplay. 😜

[@nicolasletellier6162]

My test of the Boron is pretty disappointing at the end. They are good at skirmish fighting S and M ships (who is not good at that) but anything bigger and it's a struggle. You can make it work against L and XL but you will have to spend more resources than any other factions. And for station demolition, it's not doable unless you invest heavily in missiles. And forget the auxiliary ship for that, they can't resupply 12 Hydra fit with 4 torpedo launchers, or even one Guppy/Ray with 3 dumb fire. As for the defensive argument, I read a lot of the comments doesn't fit. If you want to be defensive you don't rely on mass fighters (defensive avoid casualty), but you use heavy protection and armed ships. And here the L and XL ship has a really little amount of turrets. That's sad because I really like the look of the ships and the weapons. But it missing something in the Boron fleet it can't be complete. And Ray was the biggest disappointment. The main weapon is more of a gimmick than anything else. And it's poorly armed. But the worse is most of the time the "AI" don't even use the main weapon. I really hope they will do something for the Boron in future patches because I really love ships like the Guppy I enjoy a light and fast carrier.

[@ragnos28]

My conclusions are similar to yours. In regard of spending resources, I've always used S torpedo bombers as my main anti capital solution. Since all my fleets must use race specific tech, only my paranid fleet has S bombers that don't use torpedoes, but Blast Mortars. Agree about station demolition. Encountered the same issues, plus missile turrets would not fire at a distance. For using heavy protection and armed ships for defence...no ship have enough heavy protection and armor to compensate for the inept AI of the L and LX ships. Only way to compensate for that is to deliver enough dmg so that the enemy capital ship is destroyed before destroying your own L/LX ships. And if you can't use (or you choose not to, like I do with terran ships) L plasma turrets, you are screwed on that. Also agree on the Ray. One of the "merits" of the Ray, is that it made a destroyer like the humble Behemoth, look like a "death star" in comparison, when L plasma turrets are used. The Odysseus even more so. So, you have non DLC ships, that don't cost a penny over the base price for the game, to get, moping the floor with a DLC one, in regards of dmg. As someone said about the boron ships, they look like they are design to stop/slow down targets, in expectation of a "heavy hammer", and that "hammer" cannot be obtain outside of using torpedoes. Indeed, as long as the boron will not have station demolition capability, their navy is incomplete, so the faction is incomplete. And that give me the annoying feeling that the Kingdom End is a mediocre DLC, and I'm really sad about that. I'm not optimistic about changes for the Boron in the future...is the devs "baby"...just like the fighter capacity of the Zeus E...is my feeling they are not gona do anything to change their...vision.

[@xzaratulx]

I fully agree.

[@ShinozieChannel]

My frame drop to 30fps when opening map and menu. Im sticking with 5.0 for now.

[@ragnos28]

Yeah, I've heard such issues being reported on tech support forums. Good decision, 6.0 is far from ready. Honestly, what I like about 6.0, and fiind it most usefull, is the fact that torpedoes do dmg OOS. The other inovations, like graphics engine, colissions and the like, are far from working.

[@ronaldwoofer5024]

Hide the asset list

[@AEsir2023]

I was thinking of creating mix squadrons of Kukuri and makos…. I don’t think that ll be necessary after seeing this

[@ragnos28]

Yeah, the borons don't need help in the interceptor department. Now, in the station demolition department on the other hand....🧐

[@AEsir2023]

@@ragnos28 so my thought is with the Rays is to use them as “rapid response cruisers” I used the Paranid Odysseus for that originally the ray I think will do the job better, faster, better defense and the attack fixes the problem in position, that way my syns and osakas can mop up when they arrive. I think the Anti capital anti station role belongs to the Barracuda, armed with a torpedo launcher.

[@ragnos28]

@@AEsir2023 Hmm...Baracuda, top speed 167 m/s, if I'm not mistaken, the slowest heavy fighter in X4...vs defence stations full of almost instant kill M turrets....yeah, I don't like those odds. This a prelude to what is going to happen to your Baracudas: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoGckJSpi8eWjMU

[@AEsir2023]

@@ragnos28 true they are slow but so is the Gladius and a squadron of those loaded with toros can do impressive work although admittedly mainly against capitals not stations. But that’s why my main fleets are build around Asgards 🤷

[@AEsir2023]

@@ragnos28 also comparing the Barracuda’s shields to the Eclipses shown is like comparing Rifle rated bullet proof glass to a repeatedly hard used condom so you have to factor that

[@joshuaphelps789]

Now matter how hard I try I can never keep the xenon from taking that sector

[@ragnos28]

You need to have sufficient forces in place to protect the building site of a defence station. Normally, I would not care about that sector, but is a major passing point for my traders and miners, hence I always keep one of my fleets there. Not to gatekeep, mind you, but to "thin" the swarms from time to time.

[@teinkjr]

I just slowly built a fleet and sat it there for items. Downloaded a mod to level my crew up fast and stole a capital ship with a fleet on it and sat it right there

[@TS-en4ff]

How do you have so much money?? I have like twenty miners and 20 some traders and even a station pumping out stuff to sell and I barely ever have 30 mill

[@TS-en4ff]

Like what’s your secret to building an economy? I must suck lmaoo

[@ragnos28]

Miners and traders will never bring you lots of cash. Now, for things that I did, early game money making had come from escort miner missions that can be done with the starter fighter (maybe upgrade with some cash from loots and missions). The mission symbol are 2 horizontal arows, when you see it, know that are money to be made. There are not dificult, as the Kha'ak will focus on the miner and not you, in some missions, the miner already will have NPC ecorts, you just help, plus, as you get killing enemies reward and the mission reward, and maybe some exterminate Kha'ak missions (ex, kill 10 Kha'ak ships for 600k), can rank up 5kk for 10 minutes work. Something like this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnTWgqp6rt5rbrM After that, I've gone after the free destroyer (google or check youtube videos on how to get it), I've upgrade it with the earnings from escort miner missions, completed the terran plot, got the free Syn. Put paranid plasma on the L turetts of the Syn and take some terran vs xenon, station busting mission, that give about 40kk reward. Also, I did the terran vs xenon, fleet delivery missions, some were/are as simple as delivering 3 katana, you get the value of the ships + 50%. Even if you buy the ships, there is still 50% in profit for you. You can also do what other players do, get an M ship, a L trader packed with marines and start bording (some use the starting fighter to bail out SCA M ships, as a starting money making). Personally, I dont do that, as I suck at it, but there is money to be made. Others, even capture Asgards. So, in short, miner escort missions, deliver fleet missions, and boarding. All this towards the goal of building a shipyard, build ships and sell them manually, as the shipyards profits from default selling of ships, were severely nerfed (still profitable tho).

[@user-ej9zq6ty9w]

почему мако? почему не барракуда?

[@ragnos28]

Because the Baracuda, with its speed of 167 m/s is among the slowest fighters in X4, and as a result the worst fighters in X4, for both interceptor and bomber role.🧐 And the Mako has 315 m/s speed, making it a superior interceptor.🤓

[@bg3841]

Barracuda will survive explosions though. Its the only one you can use as a bomber. I think that is why they made it relatively weak. Nothing else in the boron fleet fills that role.