COMPLETE Monk Job Breakdown from DAWNTRAIL Media Tour!

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[@DrakGamestein]

Thank you, Happy! The ruminations are actually exactly what I wanted. I also don't know about the 2-minute implications, I'm glad we can hang onto them since they're ranged abilities and we won't have to worry about downtime quite as much while we're doing mechanics. Granted, experienced monk players have already figured out ways of minimizing downtime as it is, but it's really nice to have more flexibility away from the boss without losing DPS. Again, it might still be a loss if they're used outside 2-minute windows, but they're exactly what I've been wanting for the job for a long time and they fit the bill perfectly for me regardless. I'll try and be out there with you guys next time! Thanks again for the coverage.

[@Shizukanexen]

MNK felt like it was reworked a lot more than DRG lmao.

[@SilverVibes]

It was lmao. DRG basically didn't change. Not even the things that needed to change were changed.

[@PH03NIX96]

Pretty much every single job was reworked more than Dragoon. 😂

[@Nihonguy]

Mnk mains are just used to that at this point feels like every other update they change the job a good bit

[@Xilivian]

@@PH03NIX96 Lets not go THAT far lol. DRG was changed significantly more-so than both SMN or SCH, just to name a couple

[@sweepingtime]

DRGs should be glad that it's left mostly the same. The good should stay the same. Constant changes are not always a good thing.

[@SapphireDragon357]

Something neither he, nor any comment I've seen so far, has mentioned: PB becomes Masterful Blitz when you get 3 Beast stickers. Reduced button bloat, yaaaay!

[@TsuchiGamer06]

The new gauge is really cool and I'm glad they kept the sort of weaving in and out feel of their combo

[@tbz709]

Yeah, this sounds like it slaps. Can't wait to try it myself.

[@Its_an_Eze]

Hell yeah !

[@CulturedDegenerate]

The new 1,2,3 animations after the trait upgrade look awesome

[@Dusk471]

new riddle of Wind just seems similar to Ninja Bushin now interms of usage and CD

[@ek9750]

Loving all of these changes, new skills and upgrades. Monk has been eating so good since Endwalker, unlike some other jobs.

[@NannatheNanna]

Well I had already decided I was going to play monk for the expansion, and this just made me want to play it even more lmao

[@LainLain7]

The new dotted lines for the fury stacks should make the job much easier to play, since you won’t be needing to check the Raptor/Demolish durations

[@Frostbyte115]

Funny enough I think the whole change gives more damage than twin snakes did. I think it's 100 potency higher for each? So instead of a 10 or 15% buff it's a lot higher for the buffed up skills. Which math wise should end up being 30% higher DPS while making your management be about the animal buffs instead of keeping the Dot and damage increase buff? At least it seems, not 100%

[@xL0stKIlah]

@@Frostbyte115 nah the dot buff dragon kick was better

[@jameji_phd]

New animations are looking sick, but I do think I'm gonna miss seeing Bootshine. I kinda love having my 1 button be me just absolutely pummeling the other guy.

[@StriderZessei]

At least we'll still have it when we level sync down for older content, or if you use the skill without the Beast Chakra buff.

[@mooxart64]

Monk is looking terrific. All the jobs I love are getting amazing changes and additions to their kits. I can't wait *0*

[@kitsunehanyou09]

This and Bard were some of the vids I was looking forward the most from you, and I'm excited to give Monk a go when DT comes

[@anthonydelfino6171]

riddle of wind + wind's reply I see already looking identical to Bunshin and Phantom Kamatachi. Currently ninja uses Bunshin on cooldown and gets the Phantom Kamatachi ready buff that lasts for 45 seconds, then they hold the use of Phantom Kamatachi until their next trick attack window for the added potency. but man the new main rotation.... feel like it's going to be a LOT of work to unlearn the same base rotation that monk has been using for 11 years now, especially since it's not even new skills. I'm pretty trained to always use twin snakes after dragon kick and then only watch the demolish timer to know if I'm using snap punch or not, so I see a lot of us monks messing that up a lot at least for a little while.

[@RoyWirapati]

The difference is that Wind's Reply duration is only 15s, so most likely can't hold it for burst window if RoW is used on cooldown.

[@TheOptimistDelusion]

@@RoyWirapati You're not holding riddle of wind. You're holding the 30sec wind's rumination proc you get from it

[@RoyWirapati]

@@TheOptimistDelusion that's what I mean. Wind's rumination is only 15s, right? That's what I saw from the tooltip.

[@RoyWirapati]

Interesting, the tooltip in Happy's video and Xeems tooltip list video seems different.

[@TheOptimistDelusion]

@@RoyWirapati Oh wtf you're right! The trait says rumination is 30 seconds but the actual skill says it's 15 seconds! I guess we'll have to wait and see on full release :3c

[@Bamboozle65]

yaaaay no more spinning plates! like that they got rid of the buffs from moves and dots

[@raarasunai4896]

I’ve already got an opener in mind that actually makes use of the Formless Fist from Fire’s reply and fits Wind’s Reply and both Blitzes under Brotherhood and RoF(or for those like me who cannot double weave on Monk because bad hardware, a blitz panda outside Brotherhood and inside RoF) Granted the theory crafting used 0 skill speed, so maybe with some, even the single weave opener could catch the last blitz in Brotherhood If you’re familiar with the Lunar Solar opener, I used that as a framework. DK -> tincture, TwS -> Forbidden Chakra, Demolish -> brotherhood, Bootshine -> RoF, Fire’s Reply-> RoW, DK -> PB, Boot, DK, Boot, Elixir Field-> PB, DK, TrS, SP, Wind’s Reply, Rising Phoenix. If you are able to double weave with monk, unlike me, you would leave the weave spot after Demolish open and weave both RoF and Brotherhood after the Bootshine with RoF being first to allow time for it to become Fire’s Reply Any weave slot not taken up by something else could be Forbidden Chakra

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

Yoshi: We're completely reworking DRG. *reworks MNK instead*

[@maruhto3508]

the new animations look so good

[@antoniomarchese4293]

Oh yes i love these changes

[@hamptonwooster]

IT"S CONTENT TIME BABY

[@blazingfir3z]

Isn’t the new Wind’s reply essentially Phantom Kamaitachi for MNK? So we still use it off CD and in burst whenever available

[@anthonydelfino6171]

that's exactly what it looks like, but with the potential ability to be a ranged DPS skill if needed. Math nerds will surely figure out if it's more of a DPS gain to hold it always for buff windows and meditate if you have to disengage, or if it should be used if you're forced to disconnect from a boss.

[@AxillaryPower2]

My only concern is a third job gauge cluttering the screen. It would be nice to see some unified UI element for the light/dark job gauge and the new one.

[@raarasunai4896]

Predicted opener: Dragon Kick -> Tincture Twin snakes -> Forbidden Chakra Demolish -> Brotherhood Bootshine -> RoF Fire’s Reply -> RoW Dragon Kick -> PB Boot -> Kick -> Boot Elixir Burst-> PB Dragon Kick -> True strike -> Snap Punch Rising Phoenix/Wind’s Reply The opposite of the previous GCD It remains to be seen if Wind’s Reply will be equal strength to the blitzes. With some skill speed, this opener should allow the last GCD to sneak in with less than 1 second until Brotherhood falls off, and any weave after RoW can be Forbidden Chakra. It may also be damage positive to add Six Sided star after Brotherhood falls off to snapshot it under RoF, but I don’t know for sure

[@FhtagnCthulhu]

Was between MNK and NIN, and while both look great I am leaning to MNK. The aesthetic is really good.

[@mana-azir6808]

rip antman

[@Gemini_Godhand]

Monks be healing now

[@JordansoBASED]

Anatman was best when Monk used Greased Lightening stacks anyways (Shadowbringers)

[@VideogamesPang]

I notice that you don't even need to look at the fury gauge, because the correct button you should push just lights up, even during perfect balance. If you have no couerl orbs then demolish lights up in couerl form, if you do have couerl orbs, snap punch (pouncing couerl) lights up instead. So the job is basically just follow the glowing button now.

[@Fidel_Castbro]

I actually think the 2 minute burst is going to feel really comfortable doing even with WInd's and Fire's Reply also acting as GCD because lets assume you're going to continue with 1.94 monk you need to fit in at least the 8 GCDs between your double PB and then the two replys thats 15.52 of your 20 second buffs and lets push it to 9 GCDs when using the first formless fist to say refill one of the beast chakras if needed before the second PB that's still 17.46 seconds and assuming they keep Six Sided Star potency the same with no longer having to keep up the buff and dot timer I think its actually worth using as a finisher during the burst window because with just 1 chakra expenditure on it, it'll do more potency than the two GCDs you'll miss out on doing

[@Halikyon]

Apparently I was the only one using anatman to keep my form up during breaks in action in ex and svg I guess? Also how else am I supposed to be a large column of light at will?

[@errinfrancis743]

Yea they should've found a way to repurpose it...sad times.

[@MidoriGrey]

It'd be redundant but making it activate all your beast fury stacks woulda been neat and actually match the name for once. But yeah anatman in endwalker only saves you one or two gcd's from maintaining buff and form, because form shift just did its job better sadly.

[@dnawulf3212]

o7 Twin Snakes buff and Demolish Dot, it's been a good run That said, won't miss Anatman (as much as I liked the Anatman Mnk in 5.0) lol. Looks as expected, 2 extra gcds in the window and maybe holding Wind's Reply for buffs like Nin's Phantom Kamaitachi would make the bursts a bit more interesting imo. (just looked at tooltips, you can't hold it more than 15s :() GCD upgrades are nice, tho I'll miss Bootshine (and will prob look to forbidden ways to restore the better vfx with giant spectral fists). Found it funny how the animation for Elixir Burst looks almost like Perfect Balance tho, even if the more optimal route is to have an Opo gcd between the PBs, unless the potencies have changed. Also we get a pure AoE heal on Earth's Reply? Goddamn, we get to be more helpful now, unless Mantra is removed, idk But yep, still maining my beloved Melee dps. Tyvm for the footage and commentary Haps

[@CaptnMarvelous]

Is Mantra gone? I didn't see it on your hotbar.

[@howardwood9515]

I was asking myself the same question, the role actions are missing too, I imagine he just didn't throw it out because it was unchanged? Maybe? Hopefully?

[@tamarjaeger]

According to Xeno's all Ability Tooltips video it is still there.

[@oxdaman1]

Damn, I had to sit down for a minute to figure out what the opener would look like, but after a bit of brainstorming, it'd be: Formless -> Thunder -> Twin -> PoT -> Demo -> FC -> DK -> PB -> Boot -> RoW -> DK -> RoF -> Boot -> BH -> Elixir -> DK -> FR -> Boot -> WR -> PB -> True -> Snap -> DK -> PR -> Boot. Freakin' brainbender of a rotation, but it manages to fit in the three Bootshines (or Rising Opos) as well as the two new moves and everything else. Can't wait to play, looks fun af. Also, wow. That AoE heal made MNK stocks go way up, lmao!

[@OilFreeFeathers]

You're really overthinking this.

[@MidoriGrey]

Sorta agree you're overthinking it. Plus it'd be better to pop perfect balance sooner now and pop rof before the first blitz so you can dump all your strongest gcd attacks from row and rof comfortably, and maybe end it with an effectively 2k potency sss maybe. Really, just wait for the expac to come out and play it by ear.

[@zachc4451]

New skills look nice and it's about time MNK GCDs got improved.

[@xL0stKIlah]

We need ogcds. . .

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

Oh they made Earth's Reply into a PvE thing. Neat.

[@Zoeila]

I will hella miss anatman it was one of the coolest animations

[@pbkillstrike]

6 monk meta is back. Where my brothers @?

[@johnnydrama3829]

Respected, respectfully

[@jonathanweeds]

I liked anatman. Sure was fairly useless but the animation was cool and I was hoping it would become like samurai meditation.

[@KumiChan2004]

I'll have to wait and see for myself how monk plays now. I do think the current version of monk is the best version we had so far. But there is still faults in it. I hope this will be even better.

[@James-kv3ll]

Still wish they just turned riddle of wind into some sort of party utility. It still seems like such an awkward and underwhelming DPS ability even with the follow up.

[@sergel02]

I’m just sad no Dolphin Kick still :(

[@oscarsaris3183]

Right???? It’s all I’ve wanted from the class since it’s inception

[@YUXKE]

Closest thing to that is celestial revolution, a blitz skill you actively don’t want to use on purpose.

[@drago1uk2000]

This looks massively more confusing than buff maintaining.

[@drago1uk2000]

Nvm played it and the job plays itself now, it's not even remotely funny how bad it is.

[@Xilivian]

One of the DPS I by far loved the most in Shadowbringers, that I felt Endwalker not only entirely missed the mark on, but made me refuse to play it post getting a quick 10 levels in roulettes, is finally becoming not only great again, but arguably better than its ever been by a mile. All these changes and additions both LOOK aesthetically beautiful, while also vastly refreshing&improving the overall sense of flow, speed, and raw impact of the class, matching its identity perfectly. Has to be my favorite class change to the pre-existing 19, bar none. Absolutely cannot wait to try it out for myself!

[@jacobkern2060]

Optidrift bros, it's over Edit: 6 MONKS IS BACK

[@xXarcheniXx]

i cri evry tim. all that work learning optimal drift for a job I wanted to have complexity, and now it's got training wheels on.

[@MidoriGrey]

The training wheels don't matter if you're able to autopilot the job as-is anyway. Skill ceiling is left untouched.

[@jacobkern2060]

@@MidoriGrey The fuck you mean, it's left untouched? There's zero nuance to the job's cadence anymore, it's "do this" or "do it wrong." Then there's the cognitohazard that is the fact that it's looking like Dragon Kick isn't worth pressing anymore

[@lushdontu4015]

The current elixir field looks so much better. I dont like how it looks now

[@AxillaryPower2]

To each their own, but whenever I saw the old Elixir Field, I thought, "that would do so much more damage if you pointed it at the enemy instead of the ground... And it would be ranged." So in my mind, they needed to either change Elixir Field, or give MNK a Hadouken.

[@YUXKE]

I think EF looked good for it’s time when it used to be an oGCD. As a GCD the longer animation visibility makes the attack look a bit more flat. I still like jumping into the air animation better, but the actual blast from EB I think is still slightly more visually appealing

[@lushdontu4015]

@YUXKE the new blast looks weaker and empty. Elixir field has better vfx and more colors, and it sounds better as well

[@Tog4Real]

@@lushdontu4015 thankfully, im sure someone will solve that problem for us as a small free optional dlc. lol

[@Songfulfire1]

Definitely been feeling this playing the current iteration of monk. We went from a big kamehameha like attack to what looks like a little bubble popping. It's not satisfying to use as a Blitz in comparison to Rising Phoenix. I was hoping they would go for more of a Gale Cut blitz which EB could still do if they expanded the visual range and flash on. It just needs a little more oomph I feel.

[@Snopelol]

RIP Ant-Man. Let's have a moment of silence for this ability... Moment over.

[@wadeyyy]

So many spheres o.o

[@Iwinfiltrator]

did fire's reply just do 75k damage

[@user-md1bp1fw6y]

Has mantra been removed?

[@YUXKE]

Others who’ve shared DT monk tooltips still show Mantra being present

[@Raansu]

MNK is new healer.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

have to wait and see how long that cooldown on riddle of earth is.... honestly it's even now ridiculous that it's as long as it is considering how quickly reaper's defensive move and heal comes off cooldown.

[@Raansu]

@@anthonydelfino6171 He shows the tooltip in the video. Its still 120s.

[@stormdrain23]

As a monk Stan since 2.x, I’m genuinely unsure how I feel about these changes. On the one hand I like the changes to the riddles. On the other hand it sounds like leaden fist is gone unless I misunderstood and bootshine with leaden fist was awesome. I also liked the twin snakes buff and demolish dot. I’ll be sad to see them go. I’ll have to play it to see how i feel about it but I’m somewhat torn.

[@Massivecow1337]

Dragon Kick still buffs Bootshine (or Rising Opo-Opo, the new bootshine.) That's the Fury gauge bonus thing for opo stance.

[@Eishikigami]

It's functionally exactly the same: you lead with DK, which empowers Rising Opo-opo (new Bootshine), then DK again

[@JojoDigitalArtist]

@@Eishikigami Yeah all they really did it seems is remove the timer and it's now charges instead.

[@IcyHot5525]

@@Massivecow1337 Yeah but Demolish also boosts Pouncing Couerl and they both have higher potency so I think that will be the new lunar Nadi rotation under PB, Demo>>PC>>Demo (1300 potency if hitting positional)

[@MidoriGrey]

The new fury mechanic is literally just leaden fist but for all 3 forms.

[@hasseo195]

Mäh, the new mechanic looks to be more compolex. I liked the monk at the end of shb, because i was able to shut down my brain, while i punched everything before me. And was able to use the combos in more or less 2 lines. The EW monk maked it a little harder. But the new version, doesnt look anymore like, that you allways go between stance 1 top 3. But switch between 1,2,3,1,3,2,3,2 and so one. That make him complex (at last in the first moment)^^.

[@MidoriGrey]

You'll be able to play it by ear just fine.

[@Kong8439]

What? No. You always go in the same order for forms, the buttons even light up for you for what to press. It looks even more brain dead than before

[@hasseo195]

@@Kong8439 Maybe i understand it wrong. The monk is one of the classes, where i need to try it myself, to completly understand it

[@Kong8439]

@@hasseo195 just watch the video, the first and 3rd bars have his main gcd’s which are buttons 1-3 on both bars. Right now both of the next forms would light up after you press one of them, but in Dawn trail only the one that you’re supposed to use is going to light up (generator or spender)

[@itsrin868]

ffs they cannot leave this job alone. no wonder no one plays this

[@xL0stKIlah]

Just got to 59 on monk and then this😡 class is unplayable with level sync. Can't even buff aoe

[@OldManInternet]

Most of this looks cool. However, I have a small gripe with monk. I wish they'd swap the animations for 6 sided star and dragon kick. The downtime on SSS would give the dragon kick animation time to play out. It always looks so silly to be upside-down half way through the dragon kick breakdance, and then snap back to the start of the next animation for the next skill. This is the kind of thing that's probably not important to most people, but unfortunately it annoys me. At least it looks like we don't hit dragon kick as often anymore?

[@Frankthetank302]

They need to make a ability glamour allowing you to keep the original visual effects to the old abilities before they are updated to the new ones. So ppl can keep like the bootshine animation on the new abilities

[@YUXKE]

Will just have to make due with synced content

[@BlakeJp9]

also pug cant use chakra anymore ;p lol

[@maikatase]

Honestly, I'm really looking forward to monk! These changes look great

[@sweepingtime]

SAM: cries about kaiten MNK: good riddance to anatman MNK didn't fully lose all timers, form timers are still there, but at 30s duration it would have to be a really special case to lose it.

[@LonewolfXIII]

I'll miss bootshine ☹️

[@cosmosofinfinity]

I'll miss Snap Punch

[@MidoriGrey]

I'm kinda surprised the new skills aren't just the empowered states of them rather than the full replacement.

[@Frostbyte115]

I won't. I like leaning into the monk aesthetic of full on martial arts type of things

[@LonewolfXIII]

@Frostbyte115 I don't understand what you mean, we're losing bootshine and getting another chi uppercut, a chi tiger and two flavors of ranged projectile. Because when I think monk, I think "ranged combat" /sarcasm

[@kimerusdark]

finnaly a more straight forward rotation, monk was a complete mess in my opinion

[@cosmosofinfinity]

Always thought the animal stances should have been given a job HUD. Is this the first job to have THREE different HUDs?! And they're all circles... That's a lot of circles... I'd rather they have repurposed Anatman and removed Six-sided Star, than repurposed Six-sided Star and repurposed Anatman. I always WANTED Anatman to be good, and have always been perplexed by the insistence on Six-sided Star. Leaping Opo's icon doesn't even look like it belongs in the same game, let alone this job.

[@MidoriGrey]

I'm sure plenty of us wanted an excuse to use anatman. But there's nothing that could be added to it that isn't just a bandaid for something else. Six-Sided star's always been an okay skill, the disconnect from using meditation when disengaging was always a sour spot for using it but now it makes a bit more sense.

[@Wholesome_Fries]

Well i'm quit

[@breadmaster-lee]

laughing cause i never even understood what anatman was for lol

[@Raansu]

Its original intent was to maintain buffs during downtime. It lost its purpose as the job lost a lot of its buffs in every rework.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

back when dropping greased lightning meant you lost over 40% of your damage, Anatman was meant to maintain that during downtimes. But the thing is they changed greased lightning into a passive skill very shortly after adding Anatman

[@splashgaming2143]

6 Monks

[@misterbxiv]

Monk might actually be the easiest melee now. “Press the button that lights up. Press buffs when they’re up. Gg”

[@KG-jd6ok]

Hey now, you also have to spam opos every single time you have formless fist outside of phoenix. Very complex optimization.

[@Kong8439]

That’s what it looks like. Glad I dumped this game in endwalker (former monk main). Got tired of the dumbing down of classes many expansions ago

[@JonHerzogArtist]

Monke

[@abuhurairah6268]

"MNK lost their dot" Sheesh who'd have thunk

[@xL0stKIlah]

It and twin snakes were our only good moves pre lvl 50

[@varmintx0]

I don't play Monk very much because I found keeping its buff and dot up all the time kind of hard. Removing them and all the positionals from before is not going to get me to play the job more and I have serious doubts it's going to convert many others either All it really does is screw over the people who already loved the job because of that difficulty. And yes, I am mostly just channeling my anger over SMN's simplification from last expansion.

[@TheLastLlama]

Converted me for the exact reasons you mentioned

[@anthonydelfino6171]

honestly the job lost me back in shadowbringers when they changed greased lightning to a passive.... the job just feels like it lacks the sense of urgency it used to have. summoner seems to have had a similar issue, so I feel you. they change a core aspect of a job that made you love it and then you feel a bit lost as to what you can play that hits that same feeling

[@BatMan-jd5rc]

Idk, I've been playing it since RR it really gets easier the longer you play. My friend taught me how to play Monk and explained very well how and why my rotations should work. When he showed me Beast Chakra it was amazing because it opened up a whole new world of combos I can pull off. I'm telling you guys if you thoroughly study Monk it's one of the most satisfying and a harder class to master.

[@Kong8439]

You just described my experience with the class. I absolutely loved storm blood monk because of its fast pace and complexity. Fast forward to now and there’s no positionals, basically no ogcd, and the buttons light up in the order you press them. No other class has replaced monk for me and I no longer play the game since it’s just so boring now

[@xL0stKIlah]

@@BatMan-jd5rc these changes ruined lvl sync gameplay

[@whutch1]

Bring back Anatman for gposing! 😭

[@ghozter1]

Damn, they really ruined Elixir Field one of my favourite looking abilities animation wise. Now it's a really dull animation compared to how it was, that's disappointing.

[@ILockhartI]

MNK’s rotation was always super intimidating to me. Does this seem easier to pick up for players new to the job?

[@Poldovico]

The way I understand it, it seems like more or less the same, but now it tells you more clearly what you should be doing.

[@MidoriGrey]

The rotation is mostly the same but the visual indicators it will provide will allow you to play it more by ear.

[@RisqueBisquetz]

some people might be raging over the removal of buff and dot, but f that for me this is a massive QoL lol This new fury system still ties in to the job identity as well, and if anything it actually improves it!

[@Its_an_Eze]

Thank and bless you 🙏🏾 Couldn't have said it better!

[@anthonydelfino6171]

coming from the perspective of a monk player and main since 2.x this job isn't monk. Everything that made me love the job and made it fun for me is gone. This job might be fun too, but I already see a learning stumble trying to unlearn the 11-year base rotation, but it's identity as a buff maintaining job with positionals is gone. I won't be upset if others enjoy this new job, but it's already not the job I loved, and this just takes it further away from what it was.

[@SunrisenStar]

I'm really surprised nobody could make a plugin that only showed combo ants on Dragon kick when LF wasn't active, Twin snakes when DF had 6 or less seconds left, and same for Demolish. that would've solved like half the issue with Monk's GCD combo.

[@clumsyturtle8544]

People that aren't doomers about DT MNK There are literaly a dozen of us!

[@blarghaaa]

I don't care much for the claw animation. While the true strike and snap punch still feel like martial arts, the bootshine replacement feels too special effects reliant. While it is indeed called opo opo stance, it could've been an interesting flurry of punches or kicks, rather than a strange scratch.

[@Rynn21]

I honestly wish this job was simpler than it is. I always liked the idea of punching enemies, but EVERY expansion makes me relearn the job and I'm always lost.

[@MidoriGrey]

Ima just out and say it. People who don't like the changes (and I mean viscerally despise to the point of saying "ima kms") are usually severely overreacting. If you're good enough that you can almost autopilot monk and you refer to timer remaining durations to determine what attack to use next, these changes WILL. NOT. AFFECT. YOU. You just don't have to swear to the optimal drift argument anymore and that's it. There's only two motives you could be getting out of being mad about them removing the timers. One is enjoying the thrill and maintaining old job identity. The other motive is despising the idea of others getting close to your level of success with less effort; which is a weirdly gatekeepy motive to have. The skill floor doesn't exist for you once you're so good at it, no reason to complain about it. If you're already playing the job optimally in endwalker, you're going to play it optimally in dawntrail. Be proud of yourself that you mastered maintaining timers while they were a thing and don't use it as an excuse to gatekeep it from others. I've been called hard slurs for telling people they're overreacting and being told I have no idea what I'm talking about when I'm literally the monk trainer and passionate theory crafter of my home world novice network lmfao. You don't get the nickname "the monk guy" for a world server for nothing. And I get it. Maintaining the timers can be fun, I also really sort of miss the old positional requirements. And the sheer amount of ogcd's I had to use in combat. But I focus on the positives in this conversation when it comes to job design. With them making chakra overcap, them expanding the freedom of actions even further, and so on. They can actually allow Monks to get really high skillspeed now (though no dot to benefit from the stat), and start attacking really fast. Let's pray that monk can chunk their gcd down really hard and we'll see how strong monk gets now that the limiters are off. Can you imagine monks with gcd's below 1.80? how about 1.60? it sounds unlikely but still really cool. I'd love to see how extreme we can take this. And all we have to do is wait til release.

[@lexiconprime7211]

Honestly, as someone who liked monk thematically since ARR, these changes to animations and vfx, on top of them removing the strict timers from demolish/twin snakes makes me want to play it even more. I was never good enough to figure it out on my own before, but now it seems to signpost what ability to use next much better than it ever did previously.

[@MidoriGrey]

And I'm glad my favorite job's going to get more attention. The changes only remove the pressure of the timers, but the pattern of attacks do not change much. I'll be in my corner of behemoth practicing and theory crafting my rotations for the fun of it. And I have no problems giving tips and pointers to those that ask. Honestly the only thing I don't like about these changes is apparently at lvl 92 the skills for bootshine, true strike, and snap punch get overrided entirely, instead of being transformed versions of them lmao. But I can live with that because there aint no way we're using an disempowered version of them anyway. However I find that to be a perfectly fine trade-off because I've been begging for monk to get more off-the-wall vfx and animations to make their impact feel more exact. Cause though they attack strong and fast, they feel weak in comparison to other jobs that really want to drive the steel in as hard as they can. Now monk's got more oomph and that's all I could ever want. I can respect not returning positionals, We kept spamming riddle of earth and true north to bypass them in SHB anyway.

[@xL0stKIlah]

You say maintaining timers as if it wasn't the entire crux of the way monk is played. Now there is literally one rotation

[@_banjax_6181]

MNK sucks now

[@novaDF6871]

Monk is back baby!!! this looks fantastic!!! we can have fun with the class rather than helicopter eyes the DOT and the TS buff plus positional plus old garbage rotation.. this Dawn trail looks so FUN to play now.

[@xL0stKIlah]

They might as well make the next move you need to do pop up for you and everything does the same thing. Terrible

[@novaDF6871]

@@xL0stKIlah your opinion is fine. But i disagree. Monk was garbage since the start. Now its just fun to play and as somple as all the other classes. On elitist crybabies that dont feel special anymore will cry about the changes. Considering how mechanica are now in dawntrail i personality dont have the time nor patience to be checking on a dot and a buff every 30 secs. I rather do mech complete savage/extreme them go touch grass like a normal person lmao.

[@James-kv3ll]

Gonna miss the old Bootshine. The new one looks silly. Why is there so many “leap into the air and float there while you hit the target” animations in Dawntrail? It lacks weight.

[@IcyHot5525]

Yeah I will be using the VFX changer mod to change them back to their original animations

[@errinfrancis743]

THANK YOU. I almost thought I was the only one who felt this way. "Leaping Opo" looks downright embarrassing..... And the others are fake flashy with no intensity...no impact

[@TheOshinoMeme]

EDIT: I really dislike this iteration of MNK. I should try it before saying anything but man i'm not excited at all.

[@James-kv3ll]

Lol, nothing really changed.

[@bloodybackfat]

@@James-kv3ll youre talking out of your ass, its vastly different, check the writeup on the balance, its very fucked

[@anthonydelfino6171]

@@James-kv3ll the core rotation of the job changed, as well as what little remained of monk's core identity, buff maintenance, is gone.

[@James-kv3ll]

@@anthonydelfino6171 Monk’s “core identity” is not buff maintenance you weirdo. It’s changing forms by using different attacks, and recently they added building up to big beast chakra attacks. That’s all still there. In fact if you actually played monk you’d know that the only buff we maintain is Disciplined Fist, which is essentially a passive because we use twin snakes every other combo without exception. Now we use it every 3rd combo without exception. Why? To buff ourselves. How the Fck is that a massive change? You must be high

[@cosmosofinfinity]

@@James-kv3ll This is one of the most changed jobs in the expansion. If monk didn't really change, then I guess none of them did

[@Asin24]

RIP the fun of MNK optimization. Ruined the fun of the class to me particularly having it being a very stiff and static rotation for their comboing now. At least you still can do the double solar/lunar to line up for fights that might want to hold blitz, though still the changes kill my interest in the job. At least its far more newbie friendly in a way even though I wish they would of kept the skill ceiling rather then dropping it down so much.

[@FireHam]

This is bad. Its reworked into one rules all rotation, theres no variation depending on mob/encounter or what you are doing anymore. And monk was the only class that had variatiable rotation. And anatman was flair, keep that shit in. Also, the 3 stacked earth was way more flair and thematically fit, also made sense with six sides star and the lack of ranged attack. Im pissed that their dev team have no clue what they are doing.

[@zantar04]

Where is my chi blast! Monk needs a ranged attack!

[@loyalkhayal5842]

Bro this ^^^^ lol Dead ass

[@OilFreeFeathers]

You have one. It's called Enlightenment.

[@loyalkhayal5842]

@OilFreeFeathers you have to be up on that ass to use it. No Diddy. And it uses Chakra. I'm good on that. Just lower the potency. Keep the animation, make it a regular range

[@MidoriGrey]

Enlightenment, wind's reply, fire's reply. Otherwise, you're supposed to be using meditation instead of a ranged attack anyway, its part of the job identity powering up on downtime.

[@DrZlow]

Welp. After 7 years of maining monk i think it is time to stop. This is not monk. Monk is dead. Everyone keeps saying that no timers is a good thing...nonsense.

[@xL0stKIlah]

It's the same exact thing but now worse and even more restrictive.

[@Fain255]

SB MNK > ShB MNK 1 >> ShB MNK 2 >>> EW MNK >/= DT MNK :(

[@IsacMH]

god I hate the new boot/true/snap animations

[@tcg2717]

That clawing animation looks sooooooo weird. Not sure what were they thinking by greenlighting that. Punches, kicks, and clawing? Lol.

[@silvergrove8517]

​@@tcg2717oh you know, just channeling the spirit of the beast your stance is named after...

[@tcg2717]

@@silvergrove8517 Yeah because clawing is apparently all monkeys do I guess? Lol.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

@@tcg2717 The icon is absolute shit too. It doesn't even look like it belongs in the same game, let alone this job

[@cosmosofinfinity]

@@silvergrove8517 There would have been less dumb looking ways to do that. All of monk's other attacks exude expertise, this one exudes wild frantic nonsensical thrashing. The other opo-opo/monkey attacks didn't look like that

[@Iwinfiltrator]

rip antman

[@jcduran8428]

Monk feels amazing now it's not boring to start with since I had to restart. Also the new changes I have seen so far are awesome