XPeng G6 Driven - Makes The Model Y Look Ordinary

[@yyp5799]

I'm thrilled to see my new car here. I use the navigation-assisted driving for about 80% of my daily commute, and it hardly requires any intervention from me. The latest OTA update has significantly enhanced its capabilities. Currently, in China, navigation-assisted driving can be used point-to-point on inner-city roads in 25 cities, and on 90% of the highways, elevated roads, tunnels, and expressways nationwide. There are many videos from car owners on Chinese video platforms demonstrating its use, which is a shame I can't share here.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

It's a great car the G6, I really like it. Feels very easy to get along with, just comfortable right from the start, no fuss, just feels right. Their best car yet 100%. The ADAS is really good too and I keep getting invites to try the updated version so I'll get round to that at some point.

[@Danjon1235]

How is the software? here in Sweden the G9 has had some softwareproblems...

[@yyp5799]

@@Danjon1235 The G6 has been updated to the XOS 5.1.1 system, which offers new features such as AI Driver, split-screen display, and Auto Park. My system version is 5.1.5 Beta, and the top speed for autonomous driving within the city has reached 100 km/h. Using the AI Driver feature, the car can learn my driving habits and use autonomous driving (NGP) on almost all roads, no longer limited to highways or main roads. Upon reaching the destination, with the Auto Park feature, I can simply get out of the car, and it will automatically find a parking spot and park itself. Overall, the new XOS system works well in China. There are a few minor bugs, but they don’t significantly affect usability. I haven’t encountered any major software issues. After using the AI Driver, the coverage of autonomous driving (NGP) during my commute has increased from 75% to approximately 97%. Unfortunately, the current system version only supports 10 AI Driver routes, which is barely enough for my daily use. Compared to the AI Driver, although the success rate of Auto Park is very high, it can be quite awkward if it fails to park. In the new version, I have used Auto Park more than 200 times, but there was one instance where it failed. Confidently, I got out of the car and went home, only to receive a notification on my phone that the parking attempt had failed. Embarrassed, I had to run back to the car to park it manually.

[@lancpudn]

Good review of this Xpeng G6 & with every video you do these Chinese electric car manufacturers just seem to get better & better, What a great looking car it is, 😎 The price for that vehicle is simply amazing.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Thank you very much. There's really some talent out there at the moment. This car's standout for me was just how easy it was to get along with. Comfy, well equipped, talented, spacious, really pleasant performance, like a pair of slippers. Regretted having to say goodbye to it.

[@Gemmy777]

I had this car delivered a month ago, and I'm really enjoying it. The Performance variant is such a joy to drive, so fast and so peaceful. Only concern is that the road noise at the back is more obvious than the front.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

I really enjoyed this car in my week with it. So easy to get on with.

[@flukeylukey7559]

Does the G6 have camping or pet mode, security mode

[@ElvenDeputyGeneral]

Love your videos! If this car comes to Australia it will be my next EV over the Y.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Glad you like them. I like the G6 a lot, it's a very complete car, if you get it, you'll enjoy it I'm sure.

[@MichelHenriTonneau]

Absolutely amazing especially cost compcomparison with other similar cars. Maybe slightly sad for the absence of roof protection (well we all know it's getting hotter wherever we live...) and the passenger individual screen. Some partners may influence a choice that otherwise should6be needed. Xpeng is coming with their 3 car production in the EU market as early as 2024 and very inspired by such products. Aside many thanks for this highly educative video which I watch very pleasure and enthusiasm.

[@networm78]

The roof shades come as a free accessory, at least in China.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Nice!

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Glad you enjoyed it. And yes, even the UK is going to get this end of next year, so I'm pleased about that, more people get the chance to drive these cars.

[@magnatarbeing8749]

If the UK will be getting this car....maybe, just maybe it will eventually be marketed in the US. The big three here in the US are scared that the Chinese electric cars are far superior. From what I have seen....they should be.

[@MichelHenriTonneau]

@@magnatarbeing8749 fully agree

[@scottelkington7661]

But the prices in China NEVER translate to UK / EU pricing, so this would probably end up the same price as a Model Y in UK, certainly not 23k..

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Most likely. If you're lucky, it'll come in beneath the Y but without European manufacturing might be a struggle.

[@scottelkington7661]

@@InsideChinaAuto Think it's worth mentioning the price caveats when listing GBP pricing for China EVs.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@@scottelkington7661 Sure. Will make a point of it in future.

[@layseebalsam]

BYD Atto 41k USD and BYD Tang 65k USD in Norway. (Of course in NOK, but USD equivalent.) So yeah, we are being ripped off.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@layseebalsam Good job you're all loaded in Norway (at least that's what we all think must be the case).

[@ergwehgr]

German legacy brands should be absolutely shitting themselves right now because 'brand' isn't going to help them catch up with technology

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Exactly that. They're not ready for this era, falling over themselves to work out what technology means.

[@m.a3914]

Catch up with what technology?

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@@m.a3914 Autonomous driving and infotainment for starters.

[@m.a3914]

@@InsideChinaAuto Autonomous driving is available on many German cars as well. You have android auto and Apple carplay

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@m.a3914 No German cars can do what the XPeng can do in urban settings except maybe the EQS but within a very limited range and under very limited conditions. The OS on the German cars is awful though, Benz is like Windows 98 compared to most modern Chinese cars. CarPlay and Android Auto are very limited and just a manufacturer's way of saying 'we don't know how to do this ourselves'.

[@Fomites]

Opening comments: not everyone thinks about football teams and Lamborghinis when confronted with the colour orange lol 🙂 Great review - thanks!

[@InsideChinaAuto]

What does everyone else think of? Summer ice lollies? Basketballs? 🤔

[@nalakirkwood4425]

Hi Mark, have you heard how the G6 is holding up after being out in the marketplace and having been put through its paces with terrible drivers/owners? Thanks for another great video🙏

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Hi Nala. Well I've certainly not heard anything negative yet. I'll see what I can find but they seem to be doing OK so far.

[@nalakirkwood4425]

@@InsideChinaAuto Thank you🙏🏼

[@toyotaprius79]

I just wish Chinese competitors didn't feel obligued that the only cars to survive in Europe are premium crossovers. It's a scourge at this stage.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Oh don't worry, they've got plenty of alternatives, as you'll find on my channel. Hope more of those make it and a bit less of the SUVs.

[@HuiLi-z3c]

Watched ur vid. from head to toe and a big fan of ur channel as always, keep up the good job. Solid content, thumbs up for ya~

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Thanks very much. Glad you're enjoying them.

[@rcosnett]

Great car, hope it comes to the UK at a comparable price.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

It is coming to the UK, so that's the good news, end of next year roughly. As for price, we'll let's just see on that. Almost certainly it'll cost more sadly.

[@siewwenggygyco3816]

Hello. I reckon with your experience and knowledge of Chinese vehicles, you might have an answer to this. The xpeng G6 was recently introed in South east Asia. Do you happen to know why their PRND stalk @5:54 is taken from the 2000s Mercedes-Benz?TQIA.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Believe it or not, a lot of brands use the same stalk. They're not always made by the brand itself, sometimes a supplier makes them, and they end up finding life in many vehicles after that for whatever reason. Early Teslas also used Mercedes stalks and window buttons, so I suspect this one was just continued and a bunch of brands thought it looked good and did the job.

[@siewwenggygyco3816]

@@InsideChinaAuto thank you for the information ! Yes , there are some first gen Tesla Model S around, and we do notice they are using W212 switchgear ☺️

[@5942yww]

My pure electric car ranged from BYD Yuan EV360 to Leapmoon C11, and then to Xpeng G6. I am really satisfied with this car. It has not fallen out of date for at least half a year. Yes, new cars are phased out very quickly in China, and new technologies are updated too much. He's almost grown, and it would be great if he could survive half a year without being eliminated. The only drawback is that the price drops too quickly

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Price is the risk at the moment, especially with the price war and the speed of improvement, but it'll settle eventually. The G6 is a great car.

[@mickjoebills]

How good is adas on the G6 export models as they will not have lidar. Can they be upgraded to new Hawkeye processing?

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Unsure, but answered the question on other videos you asked on. Will try to find out for you.

[@JianYZhong]

Looks like a great car, always enjoy your reviews. You also have a good community of followers, their comments are interesting to read! I just wish we could get Chinese prices everywhere outside China! All OEMs should just focus on design and outsource manufacturing to China! Forget about trying to compete with China on manufacturing. Focus on design, marketing and after sales support!

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Glad you enjoy the reviews my friend, and indeed, I have a wonderful community, I just don't know how to reward them. This is a great car though, the defining feature being how easy it is to simply get along with and drive. It feels homely, and i love the colour, even if it makes me self-conscious.

[@Robloxtuber-bp7mz]

Mooie auto!

[@InsideChinaAuto]

I like this word mooie. Have no idea what it means but I like it.

[@RichardHilditch]

In your review you mention a rear wiper. Did they take that off for Europe?

[@InsideChinaAuto]

It should be buried under the rear spoiler if it is. Is that not on European models?

[@RichardHilditch]

It is not here in the UK yet. Looking at videos from Australia and Germany/Norway/Sweden I can't see it, but no one actually calls out if it is present or not.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@RichardHilditch It’s only really visible if you look under the spoiler, it's quite well hidden, so that might be why it's not so easy to see. I don't see why they'd take it off. Main issue is the rearward visibility is garbage anyway.

[@MahendraSingh-ry4zd]

Welcome 🤗

[@robocop581]

Did the small rear window affect your driving? Is there another way to view what’s behind the car when checking to switch lanes?

[@InsideChinaAuto]

It is an issue to be honest. I've had another one this week for an article I'm writing and it's quite a handicap looking backwards. You've got your side mirrors of course but it might be worth them installing one of those digital rear view mirrors to counter the window. If it's not a tall car behind or it's too close, you might not know anything is there. Best just staying aware of your surroundings.

[@flukeylukey7559]

​@@InsideChinaAutocan you have the rear view on the big screen while driving.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@@flukeylukey7559 Good question. I didn't see that option but can't say for sure it's not there.

[@flukeylukey7559]

@@InsideChinaAuto if it's not there, hopefully there's an update with this.

[@experimental_av]

@@flukeylukey7559 just checked out this car at a show and it does have some funky menu option regarding this. There is a setting to auto turn on the 360 cam when you drive under 15 km/h and the ultrasound sensors detect any obstacles. Not sure if this helps to deal with the bad rear visibility.

[@kimthorkildsen8456]

Does it have a tow bar? If so, how mutch?

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Not on the Chinese version but I predict there will be one on the European version.

[@nathanwolf5547]

There’s an edge of SAAB about the flanks.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Haha, I see what you mean. Pretty cars those too.

[@Oriental-perspective]

这车明年进入欧洲英国，德国和法国市场。

[@InsideChinaAuto]

It will. Looking forward to seeing these in the UK.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

Looks good but won’t arrive in the UK at sub £30k as the dealers will add on a massive margin…..wonder where the Xpeng chargers are going to be installed and when ?. Also I’m not sure about the Tesla challenger title with its small boot and no frunk, plenty of leg room in a model Y so nope not going to be a challenge to the Y plus as mentioned UK pricing and lack of Xpeng chargers will kill sales

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Very curious to see where they price it. Even at 40k though it's a steal over a Corsa electric. Not sure when they'll expand the charging network though, they'll need more sales first.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

@@InsideChinaAuto quickest way to make sales is do it all online with a few of their own showrooms and keep the price rock bottom, once the sales arrive then prices can be adjusted for future models having chased off the competition. A charging network is a must for brand identification….and customer data collection

[@黄浩森-x8e]

In China this car 22k

[@stevenbarrett7648]

@@黄浩森-x8e so add £500 delivery to the UK then £20% VAT and thats under £25k ….but it won’t be as the dealers will want a larger mark up

[@akmalfahmimdamin-250]

it gimme Macan x AMG GLE Coupe fantasy and im livingg for it!! ❤❤❤

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Looks beast in orange

[@akmalfahmimdamin-250]

in ur personal opinion, sud we go EV now or wait for it? 🚗

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@akmalfahmimdamin-250 Really depends on your circumstances, habits, location, etc. If you can afford one in the first place, and have the chance to home charge or good fast chargers nearby, if your daily commute is manageable with an EV, then go right ahead, but pick one that has some future proofing, like really strong charging, good OTA tech, etc. It'll retain more value over time than something more basic that wasn't too good to start with. Also consider parts and service network. Things shouldn't go wrong but if they do you don't want your car off the road too long waiting for parts. Try and seek some assurances there.

[@akmalfahmimdamin-250]

great, would do just that! 😃

[@giorgioajr]

Tezla counts capacity up to the roof, not the trunk shelf

[@InsideChinaAuto]

I thought so

[@ivo4357]

if you mention the ridiculously cheap price, you HAVE to mention that we'll be paying almost DOUBLE that in Europe or the US. And then it may still be value for money, but cheap it sure isn't anymore.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Sure, I've started to include that caveat in future videos.

[@负零]

However, the European Union feels that Chinese cars are selling too cheaply and is conducting anti-dumping investigations against Chinese cars

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@user-ob6kw2ct1p European Union is trying to buy time because they're falling behind and prefer to invest in wars and weapons and canapés in The Hague

[@I_dont_want_an_at]

fair is fair. This should sell if fair is fair

[@InsideChinaAuto]

It should. Seems to be helping XPeng's numbers anyway.

[@alexhohm]

Funny how everyone mentions the Model Y's self proclaimed 850 litres of trunk space without ever wondering where this additional space - more than 50% more space compared to this one! - are supposed to be. In my opinion Tesla is measuring it wrong, to put it mildly...

[@InsideChinaAuto]

I have heard as much, that they use another method to measure it. Can't verify that, it might be they measure to the glass and others measure to the top of the seats, I don't know, but it is a bit suspicious.

[@Tafsern]

The boot space mentioned in this video for G6 is also wrong. It's in fact a lot more.

[@RichardHilditch]

Always compare banana boxes!!!

[@thyristo]

Nothing about the G9?

[@InsideChinaAuto]

There's a review about G9 elsewhere on the channel, though it's the pre-update version

[@KasperCDK]

Great review, but its X-Peng - Not X-Pong :)

[@InsideChinaAuto]

The correct pronunciation is how I say it, not how it's spelled, which is merely a romanisation of the Chinese character. Thanks for attending today's Chinese class. 😉

[@dxyuan626]

The EU has come up with countermeasures for the rapid development of electric vehicles in China. Announce the launch of a countervailing investigation into China's electric vehicles.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Well it's not come up with anything. It's set up an investigation to find out something they've already decided to be true, neglecting to mention that they're subsidising their own brands on battery production, their brands have been supported heavily in China with local governments helping them pay for factories and offices to be constructed, and some of their brands are even ENDING production in Europe to build their cars in China, all while legislating small, affordable cars out of existence and trying to convince everyone that enormous battery SUVs are the answer instead. Bunch of arrogant fools, and I should know, I've worked with plenty of them.

[@robissonwillard7266]

Nice🇸🇦

[@InsideChinaAuto]

I think so too.

[@myfavoritethings4504]

It's kind of boring, but what modern car isn't.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

You know what, I'd agree in that it's so good at what it does as a family car. For the many people not like me who just want a car that nails the A-B in comfort and peace, this car is so so good at that. Sure it's not a racing car or anything massively exciting, but it's brilliant for families.

[@myfavoritethings4504]

@@InsideChinaAuto that's exactly the thing, capsule on wheels that efficently conveys goods and people from A to B. Cars are becoming trams. I want drama 😂. Great review, thank you.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@myfavoritethings4504 Haha, you're welcome. If you like fun and drama, a Lynk & Co 03 is entertaining, as is the BYD Seagull surprisingly.

[@I_dont_want_an_at]

my kids put up with a sedan. keep em grounded. They're not that special

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Sedans are king (after coupes)

[@miskomarkovic3446]

There is no such a thing as middle aged man

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Haha, OK. A 'phase before old age' man.

[@alaznispireli7481]

what is incredible price 28k$?! are you kidding me? china ev car?! with 66kw regular battery 😂 it’s way expensive nowadays

[@InsideChinaAuto]

This car also isn't the same price as it was when this review was filmed, so that's probably why.

[@americannumber2]

how is it possible the Chinese made such a nice car in such a short time? never heard Chinese car 5 years ago

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Their industry has developed in overdrive in the last 6 or so years. Where they used to make pretty bad cars, they've taken the opportunity of electrification and a lot of investment, both government and private, into this space to step up. It's honestly stunning and the intense competition only makes it move faster. They're developing at speed others simply cannot compete with right now.

[@americannumber2]

that's not how CCP works haa?@@InsideChinaAuto

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@americannumber2 Well you might not think so but then I doubt you've ever been here, which means you're basing all you know on what you hear online. If I were to do that, I'd think every US citizen was addicted to fentanyl and roaming the streets like in a zombie movie. Fortunately I don't judge America on that

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@americannumber2 Well you might not think so but then I doubt you've ever been here, which means you're basing all you know on what you hear online. If I were to do that, I'd think every US citizen was addicted to fentanyl and roaming the streets like in a zombie movie. Fortunately I don't judge America on that

[@m.a3914]

They brought in some big names from Germany and around the world. They helped them create cars that can compete with the world's best. On top of that they use parts from other car companies.

[@dr5multimedia]

Unfortunatly X Pung..... Sorry...X Peng... I heard the video and the person saying X Pung.... Anyway... XPeng G6 is great but will not achieve FSD anytine soon unless they joint or lease from Tesla.... So far versio. 12.5.... Is way ahead of everyone.... Soooo Model Y still the best SUV in the world

[@InsideChinaAuto]

X-Pung/Pong is how it's pronounced in China. As for FSD, we'll just have to see what it's capable of when it comes to China and if it can really handle difficult situations. The G6 can in China for the most part, I doubt FSD is ready for all the scooters here but we'll see.

[@alaznispireli7481]

Chinese wants to make money but they haven’t car making experience

[@InsideChinaAuto]

They've got a lot more than you think, but equally they've proven that it's not the most difficult thing in the world. Cars like the G6 are really well made and with some incredible innovation in building methods.

[@cocoaiscool2709]

I describe this car as AN EGG ON WHEELS

[@4literv6]

Same crap said about the tesla model 3&Y then. 😏

[@cocoaiscool2709]

@@4literv6it’s not a bad thing tho😰 and yes 3 and y is literally an egg

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

@@cocoaiscool2709 more like a fish.

[@cocoaiscool2709]

@@johnsmith-cw3woI can see that 😂

[@InsideChinaAuto]

It is quite egg-like, but I also like that.

[@novon04]

Don't compare the trunk space with Tesla model Y´s inflated number. Tesla measures trunk space differently than other brands in Europe and Asia.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Aha, that's good to know. They also measure 0-100 from a rolling start too I believe.

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

@@InsideChinaAuto they also ''fudge'' the range numbers... Tesla sued in federal court for allegedly misrepresenting range of its electric vehicles.

[@30zaleon]

If the reviewer can learn the brand name it would be a lot more enjoyable watching the video than hearing (ex-pung) every couple of seconds..

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Learn Chinese mate then come back to me. It's not X-Peng like one similar reviewer to me says all the time, it's pronounced X-Pung.

[@30zaleon]

@InsideChinaAuto what I was referring to, is pronouncing it like (shao-pung) instead of (ex-pung)

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@@30zaleon I'm not the one who wrote the brand name XPeng. I go with what they created.

[@raligen]

What a funny car. This rear window is ridiculous. 😅😅

[@InsideChinaAuto]

It is quite comical.

[@m.a3914]

I think the main advantage of Model Y is that the price is ok and for it you get massively practical car capable of not just driving 5 people comfortably but also huge boot capacity. It has much bigger luggage space and on top of that it has a frunk. Internally the things does not look great either. G6 looks very claustrophobic on the driver side and it doesn't seems to offer as much space as Tesla Model Y. The Tesla also looks more modern inside due to the more minimalist design and the display on Tesla looks more premium. In fact the material quality of Tesla Model Y looks to be better than the G6. Overall despite having some very nice features it is nothing groundbreaking. It is not better than a Tesla Model Y imo. After all the main purpose of an SUV is to be practicle and Model Y is far more practicale. In terms of the tech it has nothing on Tesla so that's not a turning factor. It definitely looks great from the outside but a dissapointing interior. Very claustrophobic for the driver and doesn't come with more space than a Model Y. The material quality is not on par with Tesla. A lot of plastic is used where Tesla not so much. Xpeng should be smart with the pricing.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

Have you seen a G6 in person or just through video? Genuinely curious.

[@m.a3914]

@@InsideChinaAuto In your video

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@m.a3914 Then you might want to judge a car's feeling on how it is when you sit inside. I definitely wouldn't say the G6 feels claustrophobic or that the materials are worse than a Tesla, quite the opposite in fact. But some people love having a car that looks like it comes with zero options and not even a logo on the steering wheel, that's true, others prefer a more homely feel. I think the G6 does a really nice job on that side. As for space, I do think the Y is bigger in the trunk but also some people mentioned Tesla measure their figures differently so their figures are maybe not quite accurate, much like they measure their 0-100 times with a rolling start.

[@m.a3914]

@@InsideChinaAuto Nope there is no difference in how Tesla measures the space. They measure it in litres. It is just much much much bigger than what G6 offers. Combine that with the frunk and we are close to 2 times more space. Well I see it in the video and has a lot less space on the driver side than a Tesla. The central console is too massive for some reason and by looking at you it looks to be very claustrophobic. Either way regardless of actually being claustrophobic or not the space is simply less given how massive the central console is.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

@m.a3914 And what do you plan to do with it? Sit in the middle of the car? Put a plant pot on your wireless charger? The Model Y doesn't have storage space under the centre console like the G6 so your space argument doesn't quite work. And yes, Tesla measures in litres but how they take the measurements is different. Also they don't have 800-volt so can't charge as fast. And seeing as you're obviously a Tesla shareholder (it's always very obvious) and you now put such value on ambient lighting since the Model 3 got it, the Y doesn't have ambient lighting either.

[@willliamjocz3606]

Nothing special.

[@InsideChinaAuto]

I think that's what makes it good. It does everything you want it to without a fuss.

[@giorgioajr]

tezla, scammers, give me back my money for not delivering the vehicle to me and for scamming me out of the costs of accessories for this scrap metal, I will advertise for you until I get my money back and by the way, this happened in February 2022

[@InsideChinaAuto]

So what did they do exactly?

[@giorgioajr]

@@InsideChinaAuto when placing the order, I had to pay money and I was supposed to pick up the car in July-August 2022. After trying to contact seller several times, I found out that they didn't know when they would have the car and told me to wait or I would lose my money, and I was prepared to pick it up in these months, and in May I bought accessories for the Y model such as a charger, a key, a cover, a tarpaulin for the car, cosmetics, a cable for public chargers, a jack and small items, all about USD 1,200. I waited and in December I received an e-mail that there was a chance, but they were not sure if it would be 100%. I wrote that it would be better if If anything, it's March in the spring, because in the winter I don't know how the batteries work and I'm far from home. And they said they would set it for the 2nd quarter of 2023, I replied that so be it. At the beginning of March, I received a text message asking if I wanted to pick up the car in March. I was surprised and replied that YES. After about a week, I entered my account and saw that my order was not there. I thought it was normal. I'm about to pick it up. I found out from my friend who picked up the car that his car was still on the website even after he picked it up. Miraculously, I managed to contact the seller by phone and after giving the order number, he said that the order had been canceled, I said by whom and he said he doesn't know and tells me to place a new order and pay because the money is gone and wait again. I've had enough after almost 14 months