Yamaha Aircraft Engines? STOL - Steve Henry

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@jpwhite8377
@jpwhite8377 4 жыл бұрын
I love seeing alternative engines that are successful. More excellent content! Thanks!
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 4 жыл бұрын
@JP White... You keep showing up! Thank you! Thank you for watching and supporting here. I appreciate You!
@michaelz6870
@michaelz6870 4 жыл бұрын
Amen, it puts the experimental in experimental aviation!
@hpijeep
@hpijeep 4 жыл бұрын
after watching him compete at arkanstol I can say these things perform. The sound this thing makes is amazing!
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 4 жыл бұрын
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@randallharmsen5802
@randallharmsen5802 4 жыл бұрын
Thrust from Steve Henry engine is amazing. Power to weight ratio is nuts! Had a Yamaha 650 4 cylinder that redlined at 10,000 rpms in early 80’s in a motorcycle. R and D has been working overtime for sled engines though Yamaha in the later years. All about speed and weight! Hats off to Steve Henry for test piloting this project that so many want to acquire now for an airplane. Great question and answer session. Well done video.
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Very much appreciate your feedback. Thank you for watching and supporting here. I appreciate You!
@Errol.C-nz
@Errol.C-nz 4 жыл бұрын
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel you NEED to seriously look at the 300hp supercharged jetski engines...theyre marine quality engines with jetted oil cooled pistons for continuous high rpm...really torquey engines out of the crate
@lowtech81
@lowtech81 4 жыл бұрын
this seems to be the old engine used in VX jetskis. it had about 140-180hp and a redline above 10k. the newer engines are much better and more powerful.
@valuedhumanoid6574
@valuedhumanoid6574 4 жыл бұрын
I had a Yamaha snow machine for 4 years before I sold it when I moved to a non-winter state and that whole time I never had one mechanical stoppage or any issues for that matter. My riding buddies with SkiDoo's, CanAm's, Polaris....none of them can claim that. I carried a strap and D shackles to pull them when they broke down lol Yamaha is KING of the snow machines!
@dwarden3
@dwarden3 4 жыл бұрын
Kinda related, I've got a 07 Yamaha Rhino 450 on the farm and use it every day still runs like a champ. The Polaris Ranger I bought in 09 is usually broken in the barn waiting on parts. They do the same job, same loads.
@janetyeoman1544
@janetyeoman1544 4 жыл бұрын
dwarden3 , same here in Ontario. Our ATV group always ends up having to repair or tow a Polaris back to camp. Yamaha , Honda and Can Am never seems to break down.
@brent1041
@brent1041 4 жыл бұрын
I’m putting a yamaha Apex in my zenith 601xlb project. It should be a blast when it’s all done
@ctsteve1967
@ctsteve1967 4 жыл бұрын
post videos greg cfi
@machinesandthings7121
@machinesandthings7121 4 жыл бұрын
Need vid!
@budsbustbi6339
@budsbustbi6339 4 жыл бұрын
that sounds fun!!!
@Forty5Kimber
@Forty5Kimber 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Bryan! Been waiting to see what Steve Henry was putting together for this year. Exciting stuff
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It was a long ride from Florida and back but....apparently worth it! Thank you for your feedback! Thank you for watching and supporting here. I appreciate You!
@thehaze1972
@thehaze1972 4 жыл бұрын
Well my experiences from snowmobiles would make me very comfortable flying with an Apex engine, not that Rotax is bad in any way but Yamahas engines is a little bit better. Besides the yearly or every 4000km oil change I'm still waiting for the first service on the engine in my Apex, valve clerance check at 40000km or 24860 miles. :-) When the clutches are set and work correctly it should rev about 10700 at WOT, the revlimiter kicks in at 11000.
@LeftSeatAdventures
@LeftSeatAdventures 4 жыл бұрын
Just can't get enough of these Yamaha engines... "New sponsor acquired." Congrats! 👍
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent! YES... Sponsorship is needed as it costs quite a bit to travel and keep bringing you NEW content each week! Thank you for watching and supporting here. I appreciate You!
@TheTerrypcurtin
@TheTerrypcurtin 3 жыл бұрын
We are using one in out Avid.
@bikesbees9392
@bikesbees9392 4 жыл бұрын
It’s about time we realize that air cooled carbureted engine with magnetos is old music. High performance motorcycles and cars abandoned that long time ago....
@joshmoore6165
@joshmoore6165 4 жыл бұрын
Carb rebuilding kits, and tuning talents are few and far between also. Motorcycle dealerships won't this old tech anymore.
@joshmoore6165
@joshmoore6165 4 жыл бұрын
dealerships won't touch
@amraceway
@amraceway 4 жыл бұрын
Magnetos are still used in top level motorsport.
@Mrcaffinebean
@Mrcaffinebean 4 жыл бұрын
Bill Hollingsworth are they? Wear? I though mags didn’t let you change timing so they wouldn’t work with FADEC systems.
@cageordie
@cageordie 4 жыл бұрын
@@joshmoore6165 You know you can edit comments. Not trying to be difficult, just if you wanted to fix the original comment you can.
@ronaldharris6569
@ronaldharris6569 4 жыл бұрын
Rotax,made a huge change in the light airplane world with snowmobile engine's, I look forward to what Yamaha can do
@irvlennert3674
@irvlennert3674 4 жыл бұрын
Wish I could subscribe again! but again I really like these videos with Steve and the Apex!
@raydreamer7566
@raydreamer7566 4 жыл бұрын
About RPM - - - I had a Honda CX 500 motorcycle in 1969 that red lined at 10,000 Rpm and everybody said it was a time bomb because of such high RPM. It was the most reliable Bike ever. I could take it up to 10,000 RPMs every shift and I often drive in a lower gear to maintain the 10,000 RPMs and it was only a 2 cylinder so RPMS mean nothing if the motor was designed to be a high revving and built by a good company Like Yamaha or Honda.
@SVSky
@SVSky 4 жыл бұрын
Don't bikes today rev 20K now?
@GrizzAxxemann
@GrizzAxxemann 4 жыл бұрын
@@SVSky Most of your average sport bikes are topping out between 12-14k. My 19 year old Blackbird redlined at 12.5k. Happy zone was between 6-9k, and best mileage was around 85 mph.
@brucejones2354
@brucejones2354 4 жыл бұрын
@@SVSky many do, but my Goldwing redlines at 6,000.
@yamahale
@yamahale 3 жыл бұрын
the CX500 didnt come out until 1978.
@raydreamer7566
@raydreamer7566 3 жыл бұрын
@@yamahale Thank you Hal you are a better historian than me. But point being that it was a high reviving from a long time ago.
@TimberTramp
@TimberTramp 2 жыл бұрын
Outlaw Motorsports in BC builds some monster yamahammer engines and there was a place in enterprise Oregon that did as well…
@PreeettyKeen
@PreeettyKeen 9 ай бұрын
In Australia so we don't see too many snow mobiles. Are the 1800cc 4cyl engines used in the WaveRunners a similarly usable/ reliable engine package?
@captarmour
@captarmour 4 жыл бұрын
great video! what about the yamaha 1800 from the waverunner gp1800?
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 4 жыл бұрын
Great question! I was looking at those as well. I see Yamaha has a manufacturing center in GA. Maybe I will go visit them one day.
@captarmour
@captarmour 4 жыл бұрын
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel please do these are some awesome motors! for the big experimentals we should see more chevy LT motors, these pushrod engines are light and compact
@WoutervanTiel
@WoutervanTiel 2 жыл бұрын
Great questions and great answers. Fascinating!
@creativityworld6781
@creativityworld6781 3 жыл бұрын
will it be useful to use a reduction belt instead of a gearbox?
@133dave133
@133dave133 4 жыл бұрын
I have a 2009 Apex MTX with 1,800 miles on it. Like new condition. I plan on keeping it, but after hearing the going price for the engine, makes me wonder.
@alisioardiona727
@alisioardiona727 4 жыл бұрын
Apex engines in mid-conditions go for about 2k, that guy just wants to make a huge margin
@133dave133
@133dave133 4 жыл бұрын
I guess that if he can sell them for that, more power to him. The price of aviation anything is why I'll never get involved in it. What makes the sled heavy, is what makes the plane light. Funny how the different applications work.
@allywilkeforsenate
@allywilkeforsenate 2 жыл бұрын
I can buy a while working sled for $3000.The engine harness for aircraft is 125 bucks or so.Test the compression and throw it on.
@GurpreetSingh-he9cq
@GurpreetSingh-he9cq 3 жыл бұрын
How do I start with learning about experimental aircrafts and regulations wrt to them I am based in Ontario canada
@iwalker1985
@iwalker1985 3 жыл бұрын
I found you looking specifically to see if anyone was using yamaha wave runner engines in stol. Fantastic!
@MrWATCHthisWAY
@MrWATCHthisWAY 4 жыл бұрын
Bryan was Mr. Henry’s engine issues the MAPing due to a horse power cure difference in different power needs along the cure? Another great informative video. Love these different approaches to experimental aircraft. You may want to suggest this idea to AGAN aircraft designs because I bet they would love this amount of torque for their designs.
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 4 жыл бұрын
Great idea! These engines could serve many applications and many platforms. I not sure exactly on the mapping for each mode (STOCK and BEASTMODE!) :-) Thank you for watching and also supporting here!
@MrWATCHthisWAY
@MrWATCHthisWAY 4 жыл бұрын
Experimental Aircraft Channel I would be interested in his fuel consumption on max range? If you get a chance to ask him? I was thinking KitFox but after hearing your interview I’m now rethinking my thoughts. I wouldn’t be in and STOL competitions but with that much horsepower at your fingertip! WOW. Nice to have it and not need it and if the gearboxes can take the TBO times then why not!!
@wynnfpv
@wynnfpv 4 жыл бұрын
I’m looking to build an Van’s RV7.. thanks for the video! Keep up the great work!
@mastermoarman
@mastermoarman 4 жыл бұрын
What's the fuel burn rate at cruse?
@user-ut7cj8do6k
@user-ut7cj8do6k 2 жыл бұрын
Интересно блок двигателя дюраль, как он противостоит нештатным нагрузкам?
@J1I9M7M4Y
@J1I9M7M4Y 4 жыл бұрын
Why not the 3 cylinder engine from Yamaha Nytro? Lighter and very reliable. 130hp stock but MC Xpress from Sweden pulls 340hp from it very easily.
@CommieCat
@CommieCat 4 жыл бұрын
270 degree phase in power pulses gives propellers some funky behavior.
@J1I9M7M4Y
@J1I9M7M4Y 4 жыл бұрын
@@CommieCat Aah. Thank you for the info. I have absolutely no experience in aircraft engines. 😁
@geoh7349
@geoh7349 4 жыл бұрын
Ive made 350hp turboing the apex.
@fregs8122
@fregs8122 4 жыл бұрын
where's the best place to buy all the apex gear, hardware, turbo's etc...
@joshwolff2386
@joshwolff2386 4 жыл бұрын
From what I'm hearing about price points and the technology in each motor, why not use the 3 cylinder Genesis factory turbo motor from a sidewinder and just do some mods for reliability with high boost
@keithfreeman5204
@keithfreeman5204 4 жыл бұрын
With that kind of RPMs what comes to mind is a system based on a Multi Fan Blade Ducted Fan. A Cold Ducted Fan with Direct Drive. In a Duct, the wing tip vortex's from the prop tip, are eliminated thus gaining efficiency , about 20 %. In my Mind's Eye, I see the engine and impeller enclosed in a Venturi Shaped Duct. An air cooled 2 cyc engine behind the impeller in the slipstream would handle the engine cooling. Side note..... I've been building and flying Model airplanes since 1959. Got my 1st Radio in 1976, been designing, building and flying R/C ever since. Build in the winter and fly in the Summer. I get an idea, draw a sketch, cut, glue, assemble, fly, break, rebuild, fly. This Yamaha Engine in a Ducted Fan with the High RPMs should be Mega Thrust. From Ionia KEITH
@tinolino58
@tinolino58 Жыл бұрын
If your ducted fan gains 20% efficiency than you are above 100%🤩
@Jack-ne8vm
@Jack-ne8vm 4 жыл бұрын
Can you replace RX1 carburetors with APEX fuel injection system?
@shawnk7807
@shawnk7807 4 жыл бұрын
Why such a price increase for the turbo version? +$20,000? ....I have done a bunch of different turbo installations on everything from motorcycle to V8s and just can't see that much of a price increase on a snowmobile engine.
@desertfox3860
@desertfox3860 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks. Have you thought about a visit with Mike Patey to see what he is doing with carbon fiber?
@specforged5651
@specforged5651 4 жыл бұрын
Shouldn’t even be a second thought between carbs or fuel injection. I mean absolutely ZERO thought really. Also, you shouldn’t even really have to develop and R&D a turbo system for the Apex, the snowmobile guys have been doing it for years and years. I completely understand a few tweaks and bugs here and there, like exhaust manifold/collector, charge pipe/induction manifold routing and intercooler maybe if your using one. However, the fuel mapping, computer, proper turbo, etc.....there are many many guys who have that down perfectly. Certainly shouldn’t be necessary to start from scratch just because it is going in an aircraft right?
@vumba1331
@vumba1331 4 жыл бұрын
The mapping for an aircraft is completely different from a car. I've done it and the maps that were provided with the ECU were completely inappropriate and I had to start from scratch. Been flying with my setup since 2009.
@WishingForSerenity
@WishingForSerenity 4 жыл бұрын
Something used on a snowmobile doesn't necessarily fit or work on an airplane. As he explains in the video, he had to come up with his own exhaust system because it can't be fitted the same. And with different gearboxes and ways the power is used at a higher band of altitude changes comes the need for different mapping and adjustments.
@clarencehopkins7832
@clarencehopkins7832 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff bro
@petruzzovichi
@petruzzovichi 3 жыл бұрын
Remarkable video. Great interview, super products. Well done. (from a Brand New Subscriber!)
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome! And...Thank You!
@hphillips7425
@hphillips7425 4 жыл бұрын
Reading some of the comments below what is the difference in engine fuel injection mapping between a snowmobile and an aircraft application? If the snowmobile fuel injection is wide enough to go from sea level to 10 thousand plus feet why is the aircraft different?
@CFF7327
@CFF7327 4 жыл бұрын
Could someone please explain to me why he couldn’t just put EFI onto that carbureted engine?
@matthewdrehobl2835
@matthewdrehobl2835 4 жыл бұрын
You can depending on the manufacturer. Yamaha is known to have different valve spring ratings between the two. So you would have to re-work the head. Then rebalance the crank. To do all that DOES NOT cost that much.
@leonidfilinkov8933
@leonidfilinkov8933 2 жыл бұрын
Hey! do you have a 3d model of this yamaha motor engine?
@PaulAnthonyDuttonUk
@PaulAnthonyDuttonUk 4 жыл бұрын
Nice vid. Very interesting power plant but wondering if it is noisy in the cabin with such high rpm..
@dickjohnson4268
@dickjohnson4268 4 жыл бұрын
I just love aircraft engines that cruise at 7200rpm. The CTLS at 5200 about put me into 'the nervous hospital.' Franklin had a two-banger in a later model champ in the 70's that thumped along like a V-dub. A little nervous, but not bad on an hour long flight.
@Cropmaster260
@Cropmaster260 4 жыл бұрын
So is it not possible to get a new crate engine from Yamaha. Or is it just more cost effective to get them ex sled. Maybe you need to be talking to Yamaha, could be a deal to be made there. I wish GA aircraft had this option
@ashsmitty2244
@ashsmitty2244 4 жыл бұрын
Fuel burn?
@OleDiaBole
@OleDiaBole 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know aproximate concumption per hour for this Yamaha Apex conversion, at 50% of power?
@joedoakes8307
@joedoakes8307 4 жыл бұрын
IS the $23k price for a non turbo engine include a rebuilt snow mobile engine with fuel injection ?
@craigsanders6925
@craigsanders6925 4 жыл бұрын
That includes the gearbox and prop as well. You're talking about a motor that weighs just over 100 lbs, and rebuilt can easily make more power. My 2008 R1, it's a similar motor, made almost 180 with a full exhaust system and dyno tuning on a stock motor. Match the ECU map for the use, dial in the cams for where you want them and tune it for best power application. Non turbo super bike builds are making well over 200Hp.
@zip7806
@zip7806 3 жыл бұрын
If Your Sponsored by Grip Lock Ties. Could you please make a Behind the scenes video and interview with Mike Patey.
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Coming soon!!! ;-)
@qwiklok
@qwiklok 10 ай бұрын
Mega rpms scares me. It only makes sense that overhaul times are going to be less hours. Besides, the noise would drive me nuts. High power, lower rpms is he ticke to long life, dependability
@ultralightnews
@ultralightnews 4 жыл бұрын
Have an interview on the Skytrax reduction gear system for the Yamaha snowmobile engine, hoping to get your permission to use your video footage of the unit being used, showing it taking off and landing - I will, of course, acknowledge the source. Thanks The Ultralight Flyer
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 4 жыл бұрын
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@DS-bl3cr
@DS-bl3cr 4 жыл бұрын
I am wondering what makes the Yamaha engine competitive compared to a Viking 195 or an aeromomentum engine. Is it the weight? Doesn't seem to be the price.
@dragon2knight
@dragon2knight 4 жыл бұрын
Not a bad engine...but I also don't see too much R&D on these either. I'm not too sure I'd spend that kind of cash on something so unproven. Aeromomentum is doing a far better job on the R&D front (easily the best of all the auto converters out there IMHO) with significantly lower prices. I'd approach this one with caution till a few hundred hours at least are on a few of these. If it works out okay after that, fine. If not....
@machinesandthings7121
@machinesandthings7121 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen the weight for the turbo setup, but it has to be alot lighter than the honda auto conversion. These engines also have a lot of history and testing of turbo setups in the sleed world. They have proven to be super reliable in that application. That doesn't mean I disagree with you about hours of testing on this specific turbo/fuel injection setup. The fact that you are not getting a factory built engine also adds variability that I don't like. And the price... 40k ouch
@craigsanders6925
@craigsanders6925 4 жыл бұрын
About 115-120 lbs, that was his price that included gearbox and prop which I'd guess costs about 6K.
@The_Frozen_Canadian.est.1793
@The_Frozen_Canadian.est.1793 2 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 2011 1000cc Apex, operation Yukon is a GO haha
@utahrusty7555
@utahrusty7555 4 жыл бұрын
Question for Steve, Which Wing ( Highlander or Super Stol) Is better for low and slow? Ideally, the Super Stol with the highlander landing gear seems better overall for Stol, but.........................
@maulanamaulana9373
@maulanamaulana9373 3 жыл бұрын
Engine price??
@Mike-01234
@Mike-01234 4 жыл бұрын
Whats the weight of ready to bolt on apex engine with gear box.
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 4 жыл бұрын
I was there when he took deliver of the Turbo version of it. We through everything on it required to run while it was hanging from the hoist. Came in at 199lbs! So the normally aspirated (STOCK) Yamaha should be much less. 185lbs or less I believe. Thank you for watching and supporting here. I appreciate You!
@jamesburleson1916
@jamesburleson1916 4 жыл бұрын
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 200 pounds for 300 horsepower is a hell of a thing.
@yadukrishnan3264
@yadukrishnan3264 4 жыл бұрын
Is that Steve Henry website ...we can brought the Cessna or any aircraft be New one or second hand .....?
@MrHanowski
@MrHanowski 4 жыл бұрын
Nice interview, thanks! Who makes accessories for APEX and PHAZER engines: mounts, gearboxes, airboxes, exhausts, etc. Anyone running these on Powered Parachutes? Thanks!
@flutetubamorg
@flutetubamorg 4 жыл бұрын
Man this gives me an idea to take a look at Yamaha's SHO watercraft engines. Not sure how well they can adapt because they use water from their surroundings to cool
@waynetokarz174
@waynetokarz174 4 жыл бұрын
What does it weigh?
@warrenjbrown4898
@warrenjbrown4898 4 жыл бұрын
What’s the engine life on these 10,000 RPM engines?
@watsisbuttndo829
@watsisbuttndo829 4 жыл бұрын
I know nothing about snowmobiles but that rx1 looks suspiciously like a R1/FZ1 motorcycle engine that i know well, will do 100,000km street miles or a full season road racing no problem . Seemingly built from kryptonite.
@mr-uc4me
@mr-uc4me 4 жыл бұрын
@@watsisbuttndo829 yep, based on R1
@craigsanders6925
@craigsanders6925 4 жыл бұрын
I had an R1 track bike with over 20K track miles and the valves didn't need adjustment at 20K. I had at least another 4-5k put on it to the guy I sold it too until someone crashed it on the track.
@whitetrashgarage8110
@whitetrashgarage8110 4 жыл бұрын
I know people with 20,000km on a yamaha 4 stroke sled motor. Sleds get run hard, harder than in an aircraft. Running lakes, rail beds they are WOT for long periods of time. In the trails they get beat on, 0% throttle to 100% throttle from corner to corner. You will never beat on an aircraft like that.
@GrizzAxxemann
@GrizzAxxemann 3 жыл бұрын
So what would the TBO be for one of these? Rotax has a 2000 hour TBO.
@PDZ1122
@PDZ1122 4 жыл бұрын
I always thought the point of using alternative engines was to lower the cost. Yes, it's a cool engine but damned pricy. And you're basically getting a secondhand engine.
@Carolinacaveman
@Carolinacaveman 4 жыл бұрын
exactly what I was thinking. If im handy enough to build an airplane from a kit then ill find a 2nd hand engine rip it and and install myself. Of course ill buy what i need like the fearbox but holy crap iv seen these engines going for 2-3K.
@Carolinacaveman
@Carolinacaveman 4 жыл бұрын
but let me add that if you have the money to throw around, if your looking at a highlander Id sure throw it Steve Henrys way.
@NathanKeith14
@NathanKeith14 4 жыл бұрын
@Ryan You can buy a used APEX sled for $2000 or less all day long. I know because I have one. Lovely engine, its true. Its as smooth and happy as can be to squeeze 11K rpm all day long and lots of guys have huge miles on the sleds with no engine issues. Maybe I can sell my sled for more money now lol
@realMaverickBuckley
@realMaverickBuckley 4 жыл бұрын
@Ryan You don't need 20k to turbo.an R1 engine (what an Apex essentially is). Maybe 5k.
@thomassaylorrealtorlicense9273
@thomassaylorrealtorlicense9273 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, but what's the TBO. Sure i ride high performance sportbikes, sometimes at high rpm for the thrill. But i don't think it would make any reasonable TBO doing that long term. 20K+ for one of these whizbangs? When it quits on a sled no one thinks about it---it's when your with your kid drivin' over the mountain that you think about it. Nice vid though.
@johnborton4522
@johnborton4522 4 жыл бұрын
You got my sub simply because you waited until I could watch enough of the video to know if I liked the content before hitting me up for it (smart). Nothing sillier than "Before you watch the video and see if you like it, be sure and hit 'Like'". Of course the content was great too. :)
@bearbergmann2782
@bearbergmann2782 4 жыл бұрын
I think plenty are missing the point. Like saying I want an SUV so trophy trucks are garbage. This engine is one of the best engines this size ever made. You want performance? Usually costs. Also, love this engine in my motorcycle.
@gordonrogers4616
@gordonrogers4616 4 жыл бұрын
what is cruising speed?
@alisioardiona727
@alisioardiona727 4 жыл бұрын
Great to see this engine in a plane, but these prices are just absurd : a mid-condition apex engine goes for 2k, the gearbox is 3k, a turbokit is 3-5k. nowhere near those 43k he's talking about.
@JohnDoe-et3tm
@JohnDoe-et3tm 4 жыл бұрын
That list prices that Cristhopher is showing belows shows why. Everything incredibly overpriced. 750 for removing an engine? 500 for cleaning it? Completely irrational and overpriced. You can get a good used engine for 1K and if you know what you are doing, save thousands.
@Super_64
@Super_64 4 жыл бұрын
09:38 , i was waiting for the money shift.
@lmtada
@lmtada 4 жыл бұрын
How about bombardier 900 ace turbo triple.?
@chekyerego
@chekyerego 4 жыл бұрын
It seems like you should be able to get an engine out of the crate from Yamaha, and not an extracted snowmobile engine.
@Mike-01234
@Mike-01234 4 жыл бұрын
Yamaha doesn't want to get involved in Aircraft engines I can understand why then they can be held responsible all comes down to lawsuits. Even if they sold them to be used in snowmobiles still probably end being sued. Attorney's go after who ever has the deepest pockets eventually someone will crash and end up dead. Families are filled with greed by attorneys who want to make a fast buck on a settlement.
@bearasojrnr
@bearasojrnr 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mike-01234 that's why you can't start or run their cycles in gear with the kickstand down. Some brainiac did, and collected a payout for his own stooopidity. ) :
@SmittySmithsonite
@SmittySmithsonite 4 жыл бұрын
chekyerego - In all the years I’ve been around bikes, I’ve never seen a factory complete engine available. It’s a damn shame, too.
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 4 жыл бұрын
That would be nice. In the early years I was investigating options for engines to build "Reverse Trike" kits. I think the only manufacturer that might sell a crate engine (or maybe just in individual parts) is Kawasaki. Most Reverse Trike kits now use doner bikes be it NEW, Salvage or low miles used. Thank you for watching and supporting here. I appreciate You!
@SmittySmithsonite
@SmittySmithsonite 4 жыл бұрын
Experimental Aircraft Channel - Ahh great info, Bryan. Thanks!👍
@Aninga32
@Aninga32 4 жыл бұрын
How much to turn my RS Venture engine to a plane chassis? And get my small plane licence?
@adrianelliott3126
@adrianelliott3126 4 жыл бұрын
Bryan, great video.
@itllBuffGaming
@itllBuffGaming 4 жыл бұрын
Found a kitfox with an apex 160hp in it... I love Yamaha engines and they’re reliable, but being in the air I’m torn, I feel like I’d rather a Rotax 912uls or something. Still have that just Incase double ignition double spark plug per cylinder. Unless the Apex has this?
@tinolino58
@tinolino58 Жыл бұрын
Get a new brain release 🤣
@TheOutdoorMentors
@TheOutdoorMentors 4 жыл бұрын
AIRBOAT GUY HERE----- im very intrigued. what years of APEX sleds are the best? what does the gear box cost?
@meals24u
@meals24u 4 жыл бұрын
First Vid I watched on this channel! Subbed! I’m a huge fan of the Yamaha engines, in general. Gonna be interesting to see how these fair in the aviation world! I’d love a highlander with a yammi, how much would a complete kit run? Any promo vids on them anywhere? Thanks
@machinesandthings7121
@machinesandthings7121 4 жыл бұрын
Is Steve running Earls waterless coolant?
@gmchristie123
@gmchristie123 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to find out what these engines weigh? Not turbo.
@Mike588
@Mike588 4 жыл бұрын
130 lbs non turbo. Found it out on another guy putting one in his kitfox, he actually weigh it on his channel for everyone to see.
@conantdog
@conantdog 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting video on power plants for ultra-lights thanks 👍
@101sabre
@101sabre 4 жыл бұрын
I have a 2007 Apex for sale , it has 800 miles on it .
@Jkauppa
@Jkauppa 4 жыл бұрын
About those vtol aircraft*, how about folding transforming electric bicopters, running with aluminium/magnesium-air single use batteries?
@Jkauppa
@Jkauppa 4 жыл бұрын
I'm planning to produce these myself, also quad/oct versions, all graphene-aluminium full roll cage with metal air replaceable batteries
@Jkauppa
@Jkauppa 4 жыл бұрын
target price for each is 2000EUR/USD off-the-shelf, ultra-light, fast-cast
@danieldimitri6133
@danieldimitri6133 4 жыл бұрын
I know Rotax makes aviation engines but I would think a Rotax 4tec supercharged 3cyl which are used in seadoo jetskis would be a fantastic experimental aircraft engine. Is anyone doing this?
@matthewdrehobl2835
@matthewdrehobl2835 4 жыл бұрын
These price points are ludacris. I'll go back to machining if this is what people are charging. A turbo kit plus remapping is 5000.00 for a Apex. How the hell can you add more then 5K to the price for bolting a kit on? This is a great Idea, but not practical.
@1lllllllll1
@1lllllllll1 4 жыл бұрын
Matthew Drehobl yea I totally agree, the whole idea was to save money otherwise why not just buy a ULpower, Rotax, etc. used Apex can be had for 2k, but that skytrax gearbox is just robbery.
@GrizzAxxemann
@GrizzAxxemann 3 жыл бұрын
I can pick up a Rotax 915is for $40k CAD. Sure, it's no 300hp monster, but it probably has a longer TBO.
@Poop-nu1so
@Poop-nu1so 3 жыл бұрын
10:56 so you made a helicopter with wings lol
@aeracolombia2061
@aeracolombia2061 3 жыл бұрын
amazing!
@deekamikaze
@deekamikaze 4 жыл бұрын
What are some of the differences in HP loss with air density equal to altitude?(sorry about the terms, not a licensed pilot yet) Sea level, 5k ft, 10k ft with both the Rotax and the Apex?
@olds88371
@olds88371 4 жыл бұрын
deekamikaze there is none all it does is maintain rated hp at alt that’s it
@treylem3
@treylem3 4 жыл бұрын
Nice !
@ailtonbr6418
@ailtonbr6418 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulation Steve!!! Nice job...
@thomassaylorrealtorlicense9273
@thomassaylorrealtorlicense9273 2 жыл бұрын
yes, great job, thanks.
@travisk5589
@travisk5589 4 жыл бұрын
Is that motor going to jonas?
@SomeTechGuy666
@SomeTechGuy666 4 жыл бұрын
Those are crazy prices. You can buy a brand new Yamaha sled for that kind of money. How much is the prop adapter ?
@glasairflier9790
@glasairflier9790 4 жыл бұрын
You can buy almost two sleds for that money and partout the rest this is why the average man cannot afford to fly.
@SomeTechGuy666
@SomeTechGuy666 4 жыл бұрын
@@glasairflier9790 I don't understand why the average man wouldn't just buy a sled with a Turbo Apex engine, bolt on the adapter and part out the rest of the sled. Or buy a used one. The sled channels say it makes over 200HP. I ride Yamaha dirtbikes - 250 and 450s. These engines are bulletproof.
@MrBarbuster
@MrBarbuster 4 жыл бұрын
think 3500 for prop adapter
@mr-uc4me
@mr-uc4me 4 жыл бұрын
If you source your own engine and buy the parts you need assembling it yourself you will be around $8k.
@zachshaha2603
@zachshaha2603 4 жыл бұрын
What is the longevity of these engines (hourwise) as far as using them in airplanes goes? Has there been any long term testing yet where the engines have been run for 1000+ or 2000+ hours?
@thomassaylorrealtorlicense9273
@thomassaylorrealtorlicense9273 2 жыл бұрын
ditto that. No hard #s and big $ is jive-talkin'. how long do the suckers last.
@marcusrussell8660
@marcusrussell8660 4 жыл бұрын
How hard it to get a sonex cowling for these?
@kevinsavas7173
@kevinsavas7173 4 жыл бұрын
Bad ass little screamers. Love it
@gtgodbear6320
@gtgodbear6320 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see the Kawasaki H2-R Supercharged engine in something Built For top Speed. Plane built with carbon fiber. Or a Ducati V4
@paswsr2563
@paswsr2563 4 жыл бұрын
great video
@MariaOrLex
@MariaOrLex 4 жыл бұрын
Dam this changes everything for me I want this engine
@ThinkingOffTheGrid
@ThinkingOffTheGrid 4 жыл бұрын
That price is ridiculous. I can't comprehend how he can justify 20k-40k.....
@offlanders
@offlanders 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, im not sure why a person would considered this motor when you can get a new Rotax 915iS fresh out of the box, turbo and fuel injected, (which btw you will get service bulletins should issues be found at the factory) all for $37k. In contrast I'm sure the APEX works well, but seems very expensive for what your getting, a used, secondhand engine. If it was a $6k or even $10k maybe. But $23k? Hard pass.
@mjobmi
@mjobmi 4 жыл бұрын
If you go to his website and check out the price page he is offering the Rotax and Yamaha. The 150HP EFI Apex is (w/firewall forward prop and hub) $23k the 100HP Rotax 912 is $28k (FF inc) the 914 is $40k (FF inc) The Yamaha 300 HP is $43K. There is a rather large difference between the HP and whats included for $43K. In neither case are you buying just the engine. For 300HP ready to mount isn't that ridiculous. Yamaha makes a great engine if they provide the correct modifications seems like a fair price.
@davidpeteriarussi7956
@davidpeteriarussi7956 4 жыл бұрын
One major hesitation with modern auto engines for aircraft is the manner in which sensors may be configured in the power control module - PCM of auto engines. In some instances, should a sensor fail - and mind you, ONLY the sensor fails - crucial functions of the engine are compromised - in some cases, stop functioning or go into a limp mode. Engine in a car rolling on the ground, usually not an issue fraught with possibly fatal consequences. Not good but rarely causing crashes. In the air, dealing with unplanned weather anomalies, air traffic near-misses or other emergencies, a limp-mode can cause a shortage in performance and critically lead to an emergency. All sensors upon failure should default to the most recent optimum performance with only a warning light notification of the sensor that failed. This provides that the sensor alone, and only the sensor, failed and not precipitate a chain-reacting loss of performance in other systems of the engine.
@allywilkeforsenate
@allywilkeforsenate 2 жыл бұрын
These engine get a whole different wire harness and ECM for aircraft.
@Mike588
@Mike588 4 жыл бұрын
So why would anyone pay 23 thousand dollars for the engine and redrive, when you can buy the engine from a Yamaha dealer and components for well under 10 thousand dollars, and then purchase the prop drive separate, and bolt it on. Thousands saved. You can buy the whole sled brand new for 15 thousand or less.
@13coyote13
@13coyote13 4 жыл бұрын
Forty thousand for the turbo version, fat chance.
@srnunan4783
@srnunan4783 4 жыл бұрын
Everything aero is ten times the price of automotive. These planes are one by one hand made, Henry Ford had more production automation 100yr ago than what many airplane manufacturers use today. Its just economy of scale. The comparable hp rotax is more than $23000 and it is an old design with carbs. If you want injection the rotax would be even higher price.
@meals24u
@meals24u 4 жыл бұрын
Scott Nunan crazy! Good point
@budsbustbi6339
@budsbustbi6339 4 жыл бұрын
i agree to a point!! the engine has to be modified, and preped for air!! i have a shop and can do it my self so i would not pay that much but if you cam to may shop had me get one ready its a lot of work now maybe something i dont know as way 20,000 extra for turbo?? maybe 10 at tops?? but maybe i to cheap??
@fz671
@fz671 4 жыл бұрын
Plus you can get it with the right turbo for the engine already attached
@rodriguezmi74
@rodriguezmi74 4 жыл бұрын
Hola saludos desde Chile una consulta conoces a alguien que fabrique trike en tándem, muchas gracias
@enkinibiru1231
@enkinibiru1231 4 жыл бұрын
Hi there I found this video very interesting and I loved it, but The search for power is - in itself - a never ending quest ingrained in american hot rod culture. And there are those who strive for more and more power but In aviation, I believe, it is reliability every pilots main concern. Thus redundancy is mandatory in every mechanism I would find it extremely interesting if you could do a video on Viking Aircraft Engines Here again is a company using automobile engines in aviation But with a different approach That of reliability Power can be achieved but their approach is one step at a time with reliability as first and foremost priority. Please do the video
@nalamobil
@nalamobil 4 жыл бұрын
Whats the song in the beginning?
@yadukrishnan3264
@yadukrishnan3264 4 жыл бұрын
Sir, pls said the price of that both engines and which type vehicles that engines are previous used....? Pls reply.....
@lpainter100
@lpainter100 4 жыл бұрын
Great content here.
@mikewooderson2917
@mikewooderson2917 4 жыл бұрын
Not that it matters, but are these motorcycle or snowmobile engines? Just asking.
@RussellTelker
@RussellTelker 4 жыл бұрын
snowmobile
@flyingmaniac3827
@flyingmaniac3827 4 жыл бұрын
snowmobile for all i know i don't thin it apply to motorcycle
@craigsanders6925
@craigsanders6925 4 жыл бұрын
Snowmobile, similar to Yamaha R1 but no transmission.
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