Yamamoto VS Ichibei- Who Would Win?

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Yamamoto VS Ichibei- Who Would Win? Within the Soul Society in the world of Bleach, there are two ancient powerhouses known as Genryusai Yamamoto and Ichibei Hyosube. Both of these gods amongst the Shinigami faction faced off against the overpowered Yhwach, the mightiest Quincy in existence and Sosuke Aizen, the transcendent and cunning former captain of the Soul Society. With their insanely powerful zanpakutos, abilities, and experience, who would come out on top if they were to fight?
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[@Chuck]

Use Code "CHUCK" to get $5 off for your first #Sakuraco box through this link: bit.ly/sakuraco-chuck. Who do you think wins?? Doomslayer video coming up next, thanks very much for watching!!

[@missyummy1040]

Medaka Box pwease

[@awaisahmed9418]

Ichebei has the ability to re Wright a zanpackto by changing its name . He could nullify all of yamas abilities rendering them useless .

[@amajordavid]

Tell Clyde to release the Yamamoto video. He has been talking about it for months now argubaly years. Yet no video in sight.

[@Flooberjobby]

Could Ichibei even use his abilities against Yamamoto? Because as soon as he goes Bankai, Ichibei would no longer have ink.

[@j.k.1239]

It's not even a question.Ichibei stomps.

[@jackferdinger4180]

The "no shinigami BORN IN THE PAST 1000 YEARS" statement was not a good example of why Yamamoto scales higher than Ichibei. Because Ichibei wasn't born within those 1000 years, he was born before that

[@chrisblanc663]

So true. Ichibei simply exists outside the parameters of the story until after Yama’s death. I think Yama has more offensive abilities. But he isn’t really a tactical fighter. He just tries to overwhelm his opponent. That simply won’t work against ichibei. He would just turn Yama’s flames into a match. Turn Yama’s strength to a kitten. And then smash him.

[@slipkid1267]

@@chrisblanc663 Cap

[@zenraloc]

@@chrisblanc663 I mean you can say the same for Kenpachi, but at a way higher level. He really doesnt consider better approaches than face first. It took him way too long to remember the Rudimentary lesson yamamoto taught him about kendo. I don't think you're giving yamamoto enough credit when it comes to tactician though. We just haven't seen him ever in a position where he needed to be. But he is quite resourceful. And usually finds a better approach alot of the time. And he is always limited. The entire time he is involved he is either benched or his power is stolen from him. And the one time he actually was able to use his sword his arm was missing and couldn't use all his bankai nor could he use all the kido and hakudo, not to mention he in a state of rage. Hard to focus on tactician that way. His best approach is to pressure his opponent and that works very very well. Ichibei is just really good at controlling an aggressive fighter and redirection. I think you underestimate yamamoto. But ichibei is really the perfect counter versus All shinigami

[@zenraloc]

They Never said Ichibei was born after Yamamoto. For the record

[@jackferdinger4180]

@@zenraloc I didn't ask

[@ClydeYouTuber]

Thanks for having me on, Chuck! Appreciate all the support for our collabs, and how many of you are subbing to me. Got 2 videos on the way!

[@hannahjoan5388]

Hi clyde

[@bonkhhfr]

Awesome collab video with Chuck my guy!

[@turnerbrawley4715]

I noticed bare handed yama did better in his fight against wonderweiss than bankai kensei who may or may not have used his hollow mask

[@romanfrancis1232]

@@turnerbrawley4715 he didn’t against Mask, so it’s probably safe to say he didn’t vs Wonderweiss

[@turnerbrawley4715]

@@romanfrancis1232 true but its cool to think Yamamoto could give kensei the business with just his bare hands

[@saiyanobe23g6]

Ichibei’s hax is crazy as hell, True Name is one of the most powerful abilities right behind Almighty. It will be a good fight but I got Ichibei taking this 7/10.

[@kodoqbesar4301]

Definitely in top 5 hax in Bleach alongside The Almighty, The Visionary, The Miracle, and The Balance.

[@dimensionvisitor7689]

@@kodoqbesar4301 i think you forgot KS

[@cypherbrittainnethegodofsl4988]

@@dimensionvisitor7689 Yes KS is broken but not as broken as the four the person mentioned.

[@sauce_ee1754]

Nah Yama wins bro

[@thund3r682]

I think miracle and visionary can rival almighty or atleast closer in power than the others because they both practically make you unkillabe unless the user intentionally nerfs themselves.

[@aliveandwellinisrael2507]

I think Ichibei would win. We haven't seen anything to suggest his ink could be erased by Yama's bankai on contact, since nobody has outright destroyed the ink that way. Not sure Yama has higher reiatsu either, so the thing Aizen mentioned to Soi Fon isn't an escape. Neither is Yama's statement about no stronger shinigami being born in 2000 years, obviously since Ichibei is much older. Ichibei also showed hidden kidou abilities that we hadn't seen before, so considering regular kidou contains things like literally stopping time, who knows what the secret ones can do.

[@badrzouggagh]

To be fair Yama's bankai's sword is black So ichibei kinda already touched him

[@louisrobitaille5810]

Wait, what Kidō stops time? Aizen's fully chanted kuro histugi doesn't stop time, it deforms spacetime. Idk which other you could be referencing 🧐?

[@Kingmeir814]

I think I’m going 6/4 genryusai because he beat a fully powered yhwach back in the day so if you think about it that in itself might just outright scale him above ichibei

[@iSpEcKz--]

@@louisrobitaille5810 When kisuke and tessai were trying to save the visored tessai being the kido Commander used forbidden kido to stop time and also used a teleportation kido to move them to the 12th division building.

[@ammarahmedshaikh5445]

Technically if ichibei sealed his bankai he would win but if he cannot seal my man Yamamoto has literally sun and is sun in bankai no one can touch him nothing can touch him

[@danielmason4014]

The trick to this fight is that both combatants are immeasurably powerful, but in very different ways: Ichibe’s powers are vast - not on a physical level but a conceptual one. It’s unlikely that he’s a very dominant melee fighter, but his absolute authority over names and the very concept of ‘Black’ gives him a transcendent and god-like degree of influence over his reality. If the ink of his brush touches you, you’re whatever he wants you to be. Yamamoto is the pinnacle of fighting power in a more straightforward sense. If Ichibe can be thought of as a god of creation then that makes Old Man Yama a god of destruction. There’s nobody who can compete with his offensive power - this man’s Shikai is enough to incinerate cities and the mere activation of his Bankai threatens to destroy a plane of existence. A great testament to Yama’s strength that shouldn’t be ignored - neither Aizen or Yhwach wanted a direct confrontation with him without first having a means of sealing his zanpakuto’s power. The difference in the nature of their abilities aside, both Yama and Ichibe are very well rounded fighters and have a mastery of all soul-reaper combat disciplines. Whoever wins is a simple question - who can land the first decisive blow?

[@Chuck]

Great explanation!

[@loneli_]

I agree completely with this beautiful statement.

[@michaelrodney7898]

👌🏾

[@arcturus4295]

I disagree to an extent. In the war arc Yamamotos power is so nerfed to the ground for story that Yhwach hasn't even put him into the potential list and one shots him

[@CryptoNews2]

@@arcturus4295 That's Because Yhwach stole his power.

[@Zero-ef4sc]

Yamamoto didn't defeat Yhwach who had the Almighty 1000 years ago. Nimaya specifically mentions that he has data about Yhwach from the battle he just had against Yama and his battle from 1000 years ago, meaning Ichibei would know about Yhwach's Almighty if he used it 1000 years ago. But when Ichibei fights Yhwach, he is surprised by the Almighty, meaning Yhwach didn't use it before.

[@damaniherrington4170]

That makes sense. Since how would you beat an almighty yhwach without his powers somehow being deactivated temporarily? Unless yhwach saw no altered reality where he could defeat yama in his bankai. But this would also make no sense since he went back and broke ichigos bankai before he could even use it. So why wouldn’t he be able to do it against yama in the past? The only explanation to this is that he didn’t have the almighty in the past.

[@udiin6518]

@@damaniherrington4170 the problem with the whole feat is, as impressive as yama's full arsenal is, there still should just have been no way he'd even come close to defeating yhwach - the almighty was beaten only by a combination of EXTREMELY contrived plot devices and nearly-as-broken hax abilities which yama definitely does not have. I think Kubo potentially realised the same (that he'd made a character and ability that was way too broken) and thus opted NOT to go for the 1000 year flashback everybody wanted - zero way to explain how yhwach is defeated (though i head-canon one of the original gotei 13 captains must have had a counter of sorts and yama sacrificed them and the others besides Unohana in a combined assault, thus "defeating" yhwach)

[@crimansizers5840]

Very good point! It makes sense too, I can’t imagine the Almighty being defeated without a very plot convenient arrow.

[@superthorc6894]

I am from the future and it’s true Ichibei seal the almighty away so Yammamoto never fought Yhwach at his best

[@ReiKurai]

He wasn’t surprised idiot he already knew he had almighty he knows he’s the son of the soul king idiot he also knows the soul kings ability’s bc he fought beside him

[@tmo_0]

Honestly I got ichibe winning, Ichibe has too much hax and has a vast amount of more abilities he could use than yama

[@zombiewolf3244]

Agreed

[@TheTonytone77]

Nah bruh... Bankai Yama erases everything even ink.

[@nightzephyr248]

@@TheTonytone77 Stop with the NLF. Yhwach almost died fighting Ichibei, as opposed to Yamamoto.

[@logandelaharpe6362]

Yamamoto did kill juha in the past Juha won because he stole Yamamotos bankai A thing juha didn’t bother with for ichibei

[@joaquincortescasas8114]

@@logandelaharpe6362 No Juha won because Yamamoto got weaker. He had 1 arm and he was blinded with rage, so much so he didn't realize he was fighting a fake yhwach. If he knew, he would've caught on and become more wary of some trick to be pulled.

[@alphalimacharlie3489]

Ichibei’s ink isn’t an actual ink. It’s literally a metaphysical property. I don’t even think Yamamoto’s flames would have any effect on the ink. If anything the ink would just null the flames. Ichibei would stomp in my opinion. Most of the royal guard were weak but Ichibei was not.

[@Toa_13]

Finally a person who understands the concept of ichibes power, idk why they keep saying his yama will evaporate his ink as if it’s just water 😭😭

[@source324]

Yeah it's probably not ink literally black itself

[@Gowofowokv2]

Oetsu was strong too

[@raiden3013]

not to mention now that the anime is released. yamaoto actually didnt defeat ywach on his own. he had 12 other captains and chojiro. ywach didnt have almighty. chojiro coudl even back stab him./ so ywach was not all seeing back then at all if chojiro could sneak up on him and stab him in the back giving yama the chance to defeat him.

[@Frstypwngaming]

Oetsu definitely is a beast who would stomp most of the Quincy and Shinigami lmao.

[@Starkk-ic9cj]

The fact I was thinking to myself why hasn’t ppl rlly gone in depth abt this topic like it’s so interesting due to the lore,narrative between both characters and even there actual feats!! Bless u chuck for answering my prayer. 😂 now I’m still waiting on that saskue,Ulquiorra gauntlet💪

[@demigodking2334]

Personally, I think this comes down to 1 question. Can Yamamoto's flames evaporate Ichibei's ink. If so than Yamamoto wins if not Ichibei wins.

[@marcuswilliams2910]

Exactly that's the only question that matters, they say his flames can erase things from existence so its clearly not just super hot fire it seems to work on a conceptual level. If it applies to Ichibe's ink it cancels most of his OP hax, both at full power I take Yamamoto if Ichibe can seal some of it than I'd take him. Yhwach purposely avoids Yamamoto & waits til he's weakened to show up implying he feared him, he fights Ichibe head on even tho he could've used his elites to wear him down some implying he had no issues handling him alone

[@khulmach9662]

Its not Ink, its Blackness. So no

[@demigodking2334]

@@khulmach9662 That's just his shikai, his bankai uses ink.

[@khulmach9662]

@@demigodking2334 Blackness all the same, just in the visual of liquid

[@dw3134]

@@khulmach9662 just like me.

[@Amikas117]

This video made me realize that the strongest Yamamoto we have ever seen wasn’t just nerfed, but holding back *because he didn’t want to vaporize the Seretei.* I’d still give it to Ichibe via hax, but I would buy the idea that two handed, full power Bankai Yamamoto could out brawl the 0 Division head captain.

[@Chuck]

Interesting take!

[@footy743]

He used all of his bankai moves 1 after 1 he didnt have a single reason to hold back in speed against Yhwach's clone lol

[@marcuswilliams2910]

@@footy743 Yes he did if his bankai is active to long he'd destroy the seretei so he finished the fight as quickly as possible

[@Avg_nightwalker]

The seritei can be rebuilt he knows it was gonna be destroyed by yhwach anyway so... Ichibe is far from being defeated by Yamamoto

[@footy743]

@@Avg_nightwalker W

[@superthorc6894]

15:53 Expect he didn’t Ichibei seal that up and Yama never fought him with the Almighty

[@okita_souji_alter]

I honestly think Ichibei wins pretty easily since his hax would directly effect Yama's power output being able to rewrite his zanpaktou and all

[@oghaze9318]

Everyone forgets Ichibei nerfed Ichigo by keeping Zangetsu's real name from being revealed... He can block a zanpakuto's potential

[@Vezuls]

@@oghaze9318 where was this stated?

[@udiin6518]

@@Vezuls i believe Tite Kubo himself confirmed it in a Q&A not too long ago

[@Vezuls]

@@udiin6518 ok makes sense. I knew it was not in the manga. If you have a link could i see? That’d actually make a lot of sense so i hope it’s true

[@udiin6518]

@@Vezuls so i don't as i'm not a member myself, but i had a peek and it comes from "Klub Outside" (site where Kubo occasionally responds to subscriber questions) and its Question 117. Questioner asks whether Zangetsu's blacked out name in Chapter 61 (i think) was the work of Ichibei to which Kubo simply responded "yes".

[@chrisburns9898]

The Yamamoto vs yhwach fight is seriously going to break the internet. I’m so goddamned hype for it

[@Chuck]

Yeah, its gonna be amazing!

[@noobbuddycantdragmedown2607]

wait is this anime or manga...what chapter the last anime episode in manga

[@fiontathomas1574]

@@noobbuddycantdragmedown2607 480

[@llamathecooldude691]

Well about that…

[@supermanprime9596]

@@llamathecooldude691 What?

[@HebiSaru21]

I put my money on Yamamoto Yhwach stole his Bankai, and Yamma only had 1 arm (which implies he's weaker...? Yhwach made a comment about Yamma only having 1 arm) Ichibie only stood that long because his ability couldn't be stolen. Ichibie vs Yhwach was a hacker vs hacker While Yamma was so OP he was killed with his ability being stolen and by surprise (assuming his Bankai couldn't be stolen, believing a Bankai that has it's limits reached can be stolen, when Yhwach just instructed nobody else steal his Bankai because logic)

[@pipewataent1374]

agreed yamamoto got this

[@Zeno1781]

Ichibe almost beat ywatch if he didn’t have the almighty. Yamamoto on the other hand lost to an arguably weaker ywatch

[@HebiSaru21]

@@Zeno1781 I wanna see Yhwach vs Yamma, no stealing Bankai Ichibie had that bs where his Bankai can't be stolen, which gave him the advantage to have a fair fight against Yhwach (Also Ichibie's purpose was to show how The Almighty worked, it was a set up to show Yhwach is a broken hax character) What chance did Yamma have against Yhwach without Bankai Though Ichibie vs Yamma, both with Bankai, Yamma's South and East gives him a massive advantage via range attacks, not saying he'll sweep but he definitely has an upper hand against Ichibie

[@jaheim_the_omnipotent4875]

@@HebiSaru21 it couldn’t be stolen cause its technically not even a zanpakuto and doesn’t even have spiritual pressure cause yhwach stated that he doesn’t even feel anything at all from ichimonji and ichibe has arguably conceptual erasure cause he can controll and erase the identity that makes u up thats why he called yhwach the one once know as yhwach caude hes identity got erased

[@otislloyd-zollinger2579]

Yhwach => Bankai Yama or at the very least they are relative. Ichibei negs Yhwach. Ichibei > Yama

[@-Verycardhock]

Yamamoto didn't defeat the Almighty. YHWHACH didn't use it in the past

[@CrackHardy]

Thank you.

[@mcpics4448]

Thanks to Ichibei for the nerf

[@monkeydtony5848]

Love your content man, keep it coming. What about Barrigan vs Coyote Starkk?

[@Chuck]

Appreciate it!

[@kodoqbesar4301]

Starrk wins. He has more reiatsu so he can negate Respira.

[@zelz3011]

@@kodoqbesar4301 Cool.

[@louisrobitaille5810]

6:58 "He does have the strongest, if not the oldest fire Zanpakutou" It's both. The oldest and strongest Fire type.

[@rexlapis1075]

It’s the most powerful offensive zankpaktou

[@blueblade6174]

I feel the hax negation ability was pretty underdeveloped in the story, and if it was fully fleshed out then this discussion would likely have a more definitive answer.

[@swayeddrunk4763]

fax, pure fax

[@lucasalarcon3230]

Well the hax from ichibe comes from the soul king himself you need to reach the soul king tier to negate that

[@aiya5777]

27:51 damn right! Kyoraku's bankai even shook the likes of *Chad*

[@Sam-fq5qu]

From a plot perspective alone, Ichibei should be stronger. The RG were said to be stronger than all of Soul Society and he is regarded as the leader of all Shinigami. He even has the number 1 in his name. I don't think Kubo could have made it more obvious.

[@FireAngelChris]

True but it’s Kubo lol. He did this then got the zero division murked then had the people who beat them get beat by people from the Gotei. All depends on what kubo wants.

[@pride_mitochondria3921]

Then the 0 Division got killed lol. Really disappointing display, except for Ichibe himself.

[@cheesetomeetyou]

that doesn't mean anything. It's clear Yama wasn't interested in being a zero division in the first place. He founded the Gotei 13. Makes perfect sense he'd want to stay as the head captain

[@dustedjotaro3078]

The fight that we don’t deserve but the one Chuck is willing to give

[@YuVen3487]

Great match up and one I'd never thought of before both narratively and in concept 👍 My take? Very dependant on a few factors. It isn't a question of whether or not Yammy's flames could evaporate ichibei's ink. It's shown in the clash with Yuwach that the ink acts like a liquid and is subject to force regardless of if it can be evaporated. The real question here is whether exposure to the ink applies hacks to spiritual pressure. If so Yammy doesn't stand a chance. If not? Yammy has the advantage. Ichibei's hax affect Yammy less than Ywach as both will have advanced Intel on each other and will do everything to prevent exposure from either side's Zanpakuto abilities. Deciding factor for both sides? Ichibei's force palm ability in conjuction with his ink to bypass Yamamoto's flames, or turning Yammy undead servants against him as a distraction. For Old man Yammy? Simple proximity and diversity of techniques. Ichibei doesn't have Blut Vein and trying to keep his distance will only play into Yammy's hand. Shikai flames to entrap and Bankai to apply the killing blow.

[@animewrld7012]

Love the bleach videos Chuck keep it up 💯💯💯

[@Chuck]

Thank you!

[@d0minican0milan0]

I don't really see this being much of a match up...not because I think Yama is weak at all, but simply because Ichibei's ability makes him otherworldly. Ichibei's broken ability beats any bleach character besides Yhwach with The Almighty. You can also make a case for Hogyoku fused Aizen winning as well, if the Hogyoku's evolution powers work against Ichibei's hax.

[@lncontestable]

Ichibes ink doesn't work against Azien because of the hogyoku. The hogyoku has the fingernail of the soul king fused with it and azien is fused with the hogyoku. Ichibes abilities don't work against the soul king.

[@Sxraj]

I can’t wait for the anime to return as Bleach being my all time favorite anime.

[@Ldgarl1]

They kept mentioning the statement by yamamoto that he says that no one born in the last 1000 years is stronger than him. In the novel, ichibei was born after the soul king so ichibei is millions of years old

[@pacmiller7564]

Exactly Ichibei is way older than Yamamoto

[@ultimateapexnep2680]

I haven't watched it yet but I bet it will be great video.

[@cypherbrittainnethegodofsl4988]

I have a question for everyone. Can someone from Naruto survive Shunsui's Bankai or Ichibei's Shirafude Ichimonji?

[@goliathmasters2816]

Bleach world stronger, but prolly Madara

[@okita_souji_alter]

Eh maybe isshiki or manga kawaki but other than than them idk

[@Salmacream]

If we include "Boruto" then like 50 characters. If we only say "Naruto" then Madura, Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi with both eyes, and Kaguya. Those 5 have the best shot of surviving.

[@Lanosplaylist]

Naruto has a very high heat tolerance himself. Since kurama’s chakra could temporarily glob off Amaterasu as a teen. Could argue the much stronger adult version could do it

[@devdatsahadeo4764]

Majority, if not all the god tiers can avoid, counter and/or tank it.

[@NotGahruvey]

Ichibe wins 10/10 times. He is the 2nd oldest being(only Reio is older). He toyed with the same Ywach that defeated Yama. His powers are straight hax, and he cant die. Yama- no soul reaper born in the past 1000 years is stronger than me. Ichibe- no soul reaper born after me is stronger than me(he didnt say this but he wouldnt lead 0 squad if he wasnt the strongest)

[@sinoxi2493]

I really just think it depends on how they act, if ichibe tries to play around he might get turned into ash, if hes bloodlusted then yama cant really do anything coz hax. Good breakdown overall cant wait for that yama vid

[@animestand]

I honestly don't understand the logic behind this matchup. It's a serious mismatch. Ichibei actually stomps. I legit don't see a win con for Yamamoto. Yamamoto's bankai was stated to reiatsu not flames, so superior reiatsu overpowering it is not far fetched, seeing as it's a plot point in the series. Ichibei is basically a primodial being whose powers affect the very concepts of the story. He is over a million years old. He was in the era of the Soul King before the existence of Soul Society. His power of Black clowned on Yhwach who essentially one tapped Genryussai in a much more weaker state. Even if Genryussai happened to have both of his hands, you would be tripping to even think that he could lay a finger on Yhwach who clearly stated and showed that he was capable of holding the power of Yamamoto's bankai and then proceeded to one tap Yamamoto. Ichibei actually really clearly stomps Yamamoto. He has sealed beings that Soul Society couldn't handle like Ikomikidomoe. His power of Black was only defeated by Yhwach's Almighty whose power is to see and change the future. I mean even narratively Ichibei is above Yamamoto. The zero squad is stated to be stronger than the Gotei 13, a statement I believe to be carried by Ichibei. Also concerning the statement Genryussai made, he actually said that no one has been born in a thousand years that is stronger than him... Ichibei is basically the godfather of the shinigami. Yamamoto's statement doesn't apply to Ichibei in any way. Ichibei dogwalks Genryussai. It's basically a no contest.

[@openmindedskeptic9014]

I agree

[@asura3229]

Yammamoto beat Yhwach before with almighty so I’m confused 😐 , also bro had one arm and was still ready to fight yhwach until his banki got stolen, with knowledge of how strong Yhwach was. Ok yes he one tapped him, because he took away his Banki and nerfed him.

[@Theonefrombeyon]

@@asura3229 ichibei was punishing Ywhach in his base. Yama was in his bankai state think about it in that way. Majority of the ichibei vs ywhach fight ichibei wasnt super serious. ichibei the only person ik who got a ability in base with his zanpaktou.

[@asura3229]

@@Theonefrombeyon He was in shikai not base. Yama was in base and only one arm so Yamamoto was only half of his base power vs Yhwach. Yhwach stealing his banki doesn’t mater in this fight, because Yhwach stole ichibeis banki but he had the hax to get it back.

[@Theonefrombeyon]

@@asura3229 Ichibei started the fight in his base lol. He went shikia and wrapped black around ywhach. Him losing and arm doesn't mean his power dropped by half if anything it affected his physical strength. Yama also started in shikia then went to bankai almost immediately.

[@louisrobitaille5810]

8:30 They're not so afraid that they can't stand, they're just aware of the drastic difference in power between them.

[@whippysquire7574]

If you believe that Yhwach had The Almighty 1000 years ago, two armed Yamamoto takes it. Yamamoto defeated Yhwach in the past, therefore defeating The Almighty. The Almighty being a hax that surpasses Ichibe's ink, and his strongest attack. If Yamamoto's power is able to stop The Almighty, then he could stop a lesser hax. Personally I don't think Yhwach had The Almighty in the past. Ichibe was surprised that Yhwach had this ability despite knowing him 1000 years ago.

[@Riqq44]

Bingo there’s a reason ywach did not chose to invade unless he could steal Yamamotos bankai. The bleach fans can sometimes be so stupid 😭 bankai Yamamoto clearly is the strongest character in bleach besides of course soul king and ywach soul king absorbed

[@raiden3013]

@@Riqq44 ichbei is obviously stronger he literally gave bankais thier pwoer lol. also ywach clearly stated he could take yamas pwoers because he was stronger than him. ywach than powers up and gets his ass kicked by ichbei until his almighty returned. and thats only when he could defeat ichbei. also kisi moto confirmed in teh anime that ywach didnt sue almighty back then. so no yama would never beat ichbei in a fight. who has shown hes much stronger lol

[@Riqq44]

@@raiden3013 ywach said he was the only one to that could handle his power not that he was stronger and ichibe gets smoked by bankai yama no attack can touch him ywach didn’t even want to fight yama staright up at all he waited until he knew he could neutralize his bankai to invade the soul society. Yama clears mid dif at best

[@raidenesp1096]

@@Riqq44 again ichbei can beat yama bankai. Yama is made out of black. Ywach didn’t need to steal yams bankai. He was out to embarrass yama. Also Ywach straight up says ichbei is the strongest shinigami anyways so idk why you would think yama is anyways? Especially when he wouldn’t even have a bankai to begin with if ichbei hadn’t given the soul reapers the ability to have bankai in the first place lol.

[@Riqq44]

@@raidenesp1096 literally not one of ichibes attacks would land 😂 you can deny it all you want there’s a reason ywach didn’t want to fight yama staright up but was perfectly fine fighting ichibe. Once again kiddo no one is beating bankai Yamamoto in a staright up fight

[@trehubb6144]

Crazy how I've been looking at vids about this matchup lately... Sidenote: Since I don't read the novels I didn't know Ichibe was like a million years old😂

[@Chuck]

Yep, mad experience!

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

I think Yamamoto would win whether or not you use the aizen statemt of spiritual pressure negating hax/abilities by the fact Yamamoto defeated Yhwach while he had the almighty and like you guys said Yamamoto getting old did little to affect his strength and since he has both arms in this scenario and isn't enraged. The Almighty is outright shown to be more powerful than ichibe's hax and other abilities so by that logic the Yamamoto in this scenario would be able to beat ichibe who has hax inferior to the almighty obviously not casually it will be a close match I'd say Yamamoto would win 7/10 times.

[@ClydeYouTuber]

His sword also "evolved" and he said he kept his swords full ability a secret in the past, which is even more fascinating. His old age really had no effect!

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

@@ClydeKZbinr OK you saying Yamamoto's sword evolved and he possiy held back in the past now I don't even think ichibe would win at all lmao or at least 9/10. Wish Yamamoto wasn't stubborn and got healed by orihime I hope you do him justice in your video bro.

[@thatoneguy9816]

Just because the flash can beat Superman doesn’t mean he can move a planet from the sun

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

@@thatoneguy9816 I mean he can run fast enough to threaten the universe so moving a planet is nothing

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

@Blueray I mean you don't even explain why ichibe's abilities being at a disadvantage against the almighty matters or how they are but ok. I mean it isn't an assumption Yamamoto defeated yhwach a thousand years ago thats just a fact also you pointing out that zanpakuto didn't exist back then just makes my point stronger now this means Yamamoto wasn't at full strength before meaning in this video scenario he's at his absolute peak.

[@corruptangel6793]

Aizen is never surprised by Yamamoto's power, he's suprised by Yamamoto's methods. The kido for example, Aizen explicitly states that he didn't think Yamamoto would use such a technique at a moment's notice, without even the faintest hint of hesitation. Ichibe wins I think. I don't think Yamamoto is strong enough to negate the ink, or the mausoleum of night.

[@TheTonytone77]

Zanka no tachi north is faster then mosulem... Both are one shots

[@Morrowind4732]

This should be very interesting. Pre watch I'm going with Ichibe.

[@zelz3011]

Let's see what post is...

[@michaelgarcia5680]

I would honestly love to see some more Bleach content on this channel.

[@Chuck]

Gotchu!!

[@MrGoodCompany]

Great video and analysis. I'd favor Ichibei more often than not.

[@Chuck]

You and me both!

[@Azazel_88]

I will go with Ichibei. Can't wait to see him fight in the Anime.

[@gamerzone1853]

Facts

[@Chuck]

It'll be amazing!!

[@aliddda328]

It's mentioned that he is the one who can beat Yamamoto Ina fair 1 on 1

[@gamerzone1853]

@@aliddda328 Wait rlly? Was it from one of the light novels cuz I don’t remember that from the manga and CFYOW 1

[@dragoon45293]

So hyped for the anime

[@oppositedaylogicallydoesnt8226]

The fire wouldn't affect ichibei's ink because ichibei doesn't manipulate ink, he manipulates black and everything black. It's more of a concept than a physical attack. Scenarios: 1. Ichibei uses the black of yamas clothes to cover him and therefore erase his name rendering him useless and ichibei then kills him. 2. Ichibei uses the black of yamas shadow to erase the name of his zanpakuto rendering it useless and then he can effectively fight and overpower yama

[@xCeLLeR]

Saving this to watch later

[@KuroRyoka]

Ichibei's ability has been stated to affect all black in the universe while yamamoto is only limited to soul society

[@residentevil2928]

Yama isn't limited to soul society. He will destroy the universe(s)

[@Vagabond824]

And yammamoto emits light. It engulfs his body. Darkness cant touch him.

[@sangun123]

@@Vagabond824 anything emitting light creates shadows lol

[@wes3793]

@@sangun123 light everywhere = no shadows 😉

[@DaniloChef-ug4xj]

@@wes3793 Ichibes reaitsu >>> yamamotos reaitsu accept it

[@Matthew_Webster]

I believe it is Yamamoto who's more powerful. Aizen believed as a transcendent he could beat the Zero Squad and Yamamoto in just Shikai was stated as a transcendent by Ukitake. I also believe 1,000 years ago Bankai Yamamoto beat Yhwach with Almighty, I think Yhwach couldn't see a future where he actually beats Yamamoto at the time and instead took the future where he returns 1,000 years later and has medallions to steal bankai's. Imo Zanka no Tachi simply has too much raw power that it over powers Ichibei's hax, I mean if simply left active too long it can destroy the Soul Society completely and that could be any size.

[@maia3420]

CAP. He didn’t even use the Almighty against Yamamoto. It took Ichibe for him to bring it out. Sorry for the late response.

[@somerandomperson5473]

@@maia3420 when was it stated that yhwatch didn't use it in their battle 1000 years ago?

[@maia3420]

@@somerandomperson5473 I didn’t say 1000 years ago. However we know for a fact neither Yhwach nor Yamamoto were as powerful 1000 years ago as they were in the current story.

[@swimmingmide]

@@maia3420 He didn't have access to Almighty when he fought Yamato at the start of the TYBA, that is why he made several people fight and tire out Yamato who was weaker than he was in his prime. Yhwach was weaker than Yamato at regular power so he forced him to spend a lot of power to weaken Yamato then gloat about being able to beat a one armed old man who just killed a copy of himself. It was like gloating about beating up Mike Tyson after he ran a marathon... not much of an achievement when you signed him up for the marathon in the first place.

[@tigerchuu2148]

I have to disagree. No matter how strong Yamamotos bankai is we have seen people take it on. It is not destructive in the sense that it immediately kills everything, if so, Yamamoto vs fake Ywach wouldn't even have been a fight. Not to mention, the only thing we have seen get rid of Ichibei's hax/ink is even more broken hax, not raw power, especially when said power can be decreased or removed by Ichibei. Ichibei was the person to give the name shikai and bankai and the name of all Zanpakutos and everything in the Soul Society so he would definitely know about Yamamotos powers.

[@Rampage-Sama]

I think its a matter of who gets the first strike but I agree with the 4/10 and 6/10 statement. I remember watching one of the vs battles from Aizen’s World and he states that Ichibe's ink can be interpreted metaphorically and not literally that's why he thought Ichibe would always win this battle. That's a pretty interesting discussion on its own. Great video as always.

[@millionshadesofdarkness2165]

Abstract abilities > raw power. Ichibei's ability ONLY counter IS almighty(and maybe Uryuu's Antithesis)

[@TheTonytone77]

It's not raw power bruh... He wipes things out of existence with his bankai.

[@openmindedskeptic9014]

Well in the bleach verse raw power>hax, Aizen proved this when he negged Soifon's shikai.

[@Vagabond824]

@@openmindedskeptic9014 damn u shut his ass up

[@fg009letyrds8]

@@openmindedskeptic9014 Ichibei also has raw power lol

[@cheesetomeetyou]

@@fg009letyrds8 Nowhere even close to Yama

[@jrk_3453]

I appreciate the content, the collabs are legendary! Yama scolds him by saying “No Bankai!”. Gg!😂😂😂😂 But in all seriousness, I do believe Yama with both arms and being serious would beat Ichibei. I like them both quite a bit. I’d say Yama beats him 8/10 times high difficulty. (In my opinion)

[@joshima7]

I think the "Strongest Zanpakuto" title is more of the traditional sense of strength. Yammamoto when he fights with just his shikai its felt all over the seretei. You know he is fighting even wen you are even remotely close and thats just the shikai. While Ichibei is strong in the hax side of power.

[@corruptangel6793]

Yeah, Yamamoto has the "Ultimate Fire/Combat type Zanpakuto" while Ichibe clearly uses a Kido/Support type Zanpakuto.

[@corruptangel6793]

@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 doesn't matter if it's conceptual. His Zanpakuto isn't a combat type, it doesn't deal damage, it debuffs/alters his opponent and anything else it paints over. That means it would be classified as a support type. Same as Urahara's Bankai, Unohana's Shikai, Aizen's Shikai, etc.

[@montesoul]

I think this comes down to two things: If Ichibe's hax goes over Zanka no Taichi Or if you think (hypothetically) a fully healed two armed Yama could take Juha Bach assuming he couldn't steal his bankai since he didn't(couldn't) steal ichibie who fairs FAR better in their battle. Love the vid!

[@synysterpain]

Yeah I agree tho the fact we've never seen a fair fight against a full power Yama, kinda says something to me about how strong he was, tho it could also just be a strategy of yuha cause I mean, if you have the option to fight someone not at full power, then why not. Yuha doesn't seem into fighting strong people just for the sake of fighting so it makes sense.

[@wanted2657]

Let us not forget that yama has canonically already beaten yuha b4 the tybw take. that as you will

[@lucasalarcon3230]

Ichibe hax is a power that was granted to him and only him by the soul king of course will work

[@manigaultdeante]

This is a good one I've been waiting for someone to talk about this

[@blksteel14]

Shikai Yamamoto was still susceptible to Aizens hypnosis despite having "transcendent" spiritual pressure (yama, not aizen at that moment) during FKT, no? So even with Aizen's spiritual pressure statement holding true, hax seems to work still. Idk if there's a threshold for how much stronger than your opponent you have to be but if Ichibei and Yama aren't too far apart then Ichimonji's ink should be able to power neg

[@turnerbrawley4715]

Chuck coming in clutch and finally the doomslayer video yeah boy!

[@turnerbrawley4715]

@@thorshammer7883 chuck said it in the comments

[@turnerbrawley4715]

@@thorshammer7883 ive played 2016 and eternal idk much scaling on the series but I'm a fan and chucks been wanting to do a scale since eternal released in 2020 but had to wait for the dlcs and new info to drop before he scaled doomguy

[@Chuck]

Thanks for watching!

[@chupapi630]

I deserve my heart chuck🥺

[@souljaboydun]

Ichibei is the only guardian soul king for a reason.. hands down stronger

[@kenpachizaraki5237]

Bruh, this has been on my mind for ages. I can't believe you made this video. Awesome.

[@Chuck]

Glad to hear it!

[@Ny333OST]

Both times Yamamoto lost was because he was caught off guard by some sort of hax, so he would probably also be caught off guard here too. Strength wins in the long run however. If they were to fight 10 times in sequence and they got to know each other's abilities more and more for subsequent fights, Yamamoto would have a decent chance of taking the majority.

[@raiden3013]

no. ichbei would never lose to yama. theres clearly a massive difference in thier their power. the fact that ichbei could be so transcnded that even ywach could abrely sense him in thier fight. i mean how could anyone see the man who gave power to bankais etc and automatically knows everything about all bankai etc lose to yama. not to mention ichibei is immortal and controls all black which is what everyone is amde of. ywach is the only reason ichbei could lsoe since the almighty hax> ichbeis control all black hax.

[@akechi088]

Yamamoto would lose because he vowed to never use his Bankai ever again and that if he did, he would not be able to return, meaning, he meant to die in combat or he would retire as the Head Captain. This goes to show how much this vow means to Yamamoto, and honestly... I somehow doubt that Yamamoto would even consider to use his Bankai against Ichibei. Yamamoto is actually incredibly ashamed of himself and regrets the use of his bankai, when he used it 1000 years ago to fight Ywach. As in Yamamoto's own words, "That is a monster that appeared in Soul Society a long time ago. It appeared when Soul Society was facing a difficult situation, only to make the situation worse." Yamamoto's sheer strength killed friends and foe alike as large area of affect of his Bankai indiscriminately killed anyone close enough or anyone who got caught up in an attack. I would also assume that in his original fight 1000 years ago against Ywach, the fight was a long drawn out fight, and the sheer heat of his bankai ended up killing numerous innocents and also his comrades. Yamamoto only decided to use his Bankai again when facing Ywach because of the immense stress and emotional turmoil he had from having so many people he cared about, die left and right, so he felt the need to end the battle as soon as possible. If we are talking about a Yamamoto who would not hesitate to use his Bankai, then I think he has a decent chance against Ichibei, but in a fight without his bankai, Yamamoto has a very slim to no-chance.

[@bigmeme6409]

genuine question: why does everyone assume yama has more reiatsu than ichibei when ichibei is much much older (like before the beginning of the current universe/universes) and has large enough range to be able to peer across multiple worlds and dimensions

[@udiin6518]

its interesting, isn't it. I think it boils down to the way they've been portrayed really: Yama's won a lot of very public fights - he's been demolishing everything thrown his way for years, and almost always has several or many observers to his fights that give us (the audience) all kinds of comments and statements about how powerful he is. While in practice most of these observers likely in reality aren't in a position to judge how yama would fare against any of the other top tiers in the bleach universe, to us readers he has always just seemed like the pinnacle of strength everyone else aspires to be, and indeed he was exactly that for most of the story. His power of fire enhances this even more - at least outwardly, its the most awe-inspiring power to have and for us to see on the page/screen. by contrast, NOBODY has seen Ichibei in battle - his one fight against Yhwach was a loss and had no third party observers (so no superlative comments from, e.g. Oetsu to fall back on), and due to the way the plot had to move at that point he ended up being used mainly to show how powerful Yhwach was - consider for a second how many other characters in the story would be able to even recover any of the 50% power casually stolen by SEALED ichimonji, let alone anything that came after. It just so happens yhwach was basically the only character in the series that could possibly have countered Ichibei's power-nulling, but because the only time we've seen ichibei's powers used they were countered, to the reader it makes them seem a lot more easily counterable ("Aizen would defo just negate with Reiatsu", "yama wouldn't be touched i'm sure he'd just burn the ink off before it reached him"...etc) I can almost guarantee had Ichibei been shown a few feats BEFORE fighting his perfect plot-protected counter in Yhwach - perhaps something like low-diffing or nullifying a character on the level of, say, Byakuya - you'd get way, way less of this.

[@shihoblade]

Yamamoto got edged out of the higher tiers because alot of HAX abilities introduced towards the end. Pretending that Yamamoto is still a threat to people who negate causality and/or existence is an act of desperation. Shikai Aizen's illusions affect Yamamoto just fine. All late Bleach HAX abilities except Shunsuis bankai are on the table still.

[@asura3229]

@@shihoblade no Aizen whole thing was that he has a lot of spiritual pressure and everyone else doesn’t have that so the hacks wouldn’t work. Also most of them would die from one hit of anyway.

[@shihoblade]

@@asura3229 BS, You think Gerard, the goddamn heart of god with twice boosted by Yhwach cant use his skill on someone that regular shikai Aizen can? Thats pure BS. Aizen is talented but his spiritual pressure doesnt reach Yamamotos level at all and his illusions still work just fine. And who is Yama oneshotting? He cant oneshot Gremmy, Jugram, Gerard, and Angel form Lile. He has enough firepower to vaporize Pernida except Pernida can easily absorb his flame and evolve. Same with Askin. Hell Askin can make Yamas flames poisonous to Yama and boom Yamas own power melts his owner away.

[@asura3229]

@@shihoblade No he has comparable SP because his power worked on Yamamoto he doesn’t have the output to defend and attack in Shiki to fight Yamamoto even in Banki (which is a five to ten times amp) but in sheer amount of reishi he wins. It was stated by Yhwach they couldn’t steal his banki because they were too weak, Why do you think there haxs would work. Gremmy, gerard, jugram gets no diffed his presence alone was going to destroy the soul society, one banki hit would do it.

[@lord_haven1114]

Ichibe isn’t really a shinigami, he’s more like a Demi-god. I mean he is one, but in the same way yuha is a Quincy. I wouldn’t compare yuha to any Quincy and I wouldn’t compare Ichibe to any shinigami.

[@stonerawks5541]

Love the video, but oddly enough, I was looking into Japanese snack boxes, so I’ll be sure to check out the sponsor lol Gotta support your boy

[@Chuck]

Thanks so much!!

[@chriswhite950]

Y'all overlooked the most important question... If Yamamoto goes bankai, can ichibe's ink touch him without evaporating before touching him. Yamamoto's bankai while nowhere close nerfed toshiro's ability to use his zampakuto so it stands to reason a liquid based ability would never touch him

[@Theonefrombeyon]

Once Ichibei goes Shikia he doesn't need to use ink and can directly use the black on Yama, he specifically did this against ywhach and use the black from his clothes and wrapped it around him.

[@chriswhite950]

@Acnologia and in bankai yamamoto has the flame cloak spirit pressure. If it's literal blackness, it can't exist encased of direct light of flame yamamoto is wrapped in. If it's a substance there's no feats to suggest it could survive the heat effect

[@Theonefrombeyon]

@@chriswhite950 Well it seems like the place Ichibei fought at had sun and light out and it did nothing to his blackness. Just bc Yama emits light from his flames means it's going to overpower Ichibei blackness. We don't know if it's a substance we know it's blackness and wrapped around Ywhach. If they seriously fought I doubt Yama would have time to do anything. Base Ichibei is severely above Yama base judging the ywhach fight he had.

[@chriswhite950]

@Acnologia you misunderstood. Don't think of it as a sun shining down. The light is the sun. You can't cast a shadow while being in the center of a light bulb. Being the light source is way different than having light shined on you. It's not even that I think yamamoto can win, it's more about looking at feats achieved and description through narration. Because they never fought we'll never know if Yamamoto is even beatable in bankai because of the fire cloak defense

[@Theonefrombeyon]

@@chriswhite950 Yama is beatable lol he's just very hot and doesn't negate hax. That's where I think we disagree you think Yama can somehow negate ichibei hax when he can't. Narration only point to Yama being stronger than ppl born after him not before like Ichibei. Also the statement that say squad zeo is superior to gotei and Ichibei being leader of that. Also the fight between ywhach vs both of them. We can judge accurately how both of them do and see who's stronger. Yama needed to go bankai to be a threat while In Base Ichibei literally was slapping him around and only went shikia and bankai to make it known that he was stronger. He got his power stolen and took it back Yama lost his forever then died moments later. Feats goes to Ichibei, hax goes to Ichibei, physical strength goes to Ichibei, reatsu should be relative or lean towards ichibei. Ichibei is superior.

[@TheHaloring7]

Glad to see some Bleach content on the channel, road to 200k subs ayyy

[@Chuck]

Can't wait!

[@DemonSesshyy]

ichibei 's spiritual pressure is comparable to Yhawch. This was stated when they were fighting. Lmao Yamamoto can't get out of Ichibei's hax. Even without hax, ichibei is sooooooo underplayed it's disgusting.

[@ninjadad3769]

I love chuck and Clyde’s co labs amazing work as always my guys.

[@Chuck]

Much appreciated!

[@RP-zl5ix]

16:30 Wrong. They can't steal it due to it being hollowfied. As for Yamomoto's , its potentially dangerous for the user. You need enough power to resist it yourself. It will passively destroy the entire Soul Society and the user himself even with the greatest amount of self control

[@Uso_Wakka]

powerscale ideas? Virgil Akuma ( to get that street fighter 6 hype) Heihachi

[@marcus7984]

I like how it can go both sides but I think I side with Ichibei. His abilities just give him the edge in this type of fight

[@zelz3011]

CIMW... What up?

[@marcus7984]

@@zelz3011 You again? lol

[@murglan2]

I'd say we don't need to go this far as for ichibei to take down yamamoto. Gerard alone would have been more than enough to take down yamamoto as he got no way of dealing with his miracle power.

[@Riqq44]

Bankai Yamamoto and ywach both scale anouce dangai and all aizen forms 😭. Other then that great video first timer you guys actually getting it right for the most part.

[@lordhades598]

I think Yama wins with two hands since its implied he was surpressed since he had only one hand vs the fake Ywach. Also Yamamoto was the head of the gotei since he was formed. So that could also imply maybe at some point some if not all of the Zero division were part of the original gotei 13 and were later promoted into the Zero division. I mean when Ywach said Yama used to be far more ruthless and defeat Ywach in the past maybe this could imply a young Yamamoto was even stronger than the one we saw in the thousand year blood war. Plus Yamamoto basically has four abilities which is like four bankai compared to other characters. I think if I remeber correctly Aizen had to plan for Yamamoto along with the potential of Kenpachi but he seemed to not fear the Zero division at all (even though Kubo didn't come up with their characters yet as far as I know)

[@lordhades598]

@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 I think maybe both characters were part of the original gotei 13 in the first war with the quincies. It seemed like when the Zero Squad saw Ywach try to invade it wasn't the first time they saw him, so could they all have been former captains and later promited besides Hikufune who was promoted after Kisuke became captain of squad 12

[@billerpjc274]

This video was straight fire... Most things I heard here are arguments I've made already on fb.. It's like you guys read my mind

[@Csdabest89]

Honestly. We need to See Yamamoto vs Yuach So we can figure out HOW THE HELL HE BEAT HIM.

[@24kam48]

Does Yamamoto have enough spiritual pressure to negate Ichibei from erasing the concept of fire from his zanpakuto? That's the only answer I need.

[@DemonSesshyy]

No ichibei is comparable to yawach

[@dayday6829]

@@DemonSesshyy yamamoto beat yuha bach tho 😂😂

[@dayday6829]

@@DemonSesshyy he slept him for 1000 years

[@raiden3013]

@@dayday6829 he beat him 1000 years ago. ywach is clearly stronger now. the fact yama thinks a much weaker llyod royd is the same pwoer as the ywach he faced 1000 years ago shows ywach is actually massively stronger now. which also makes sense since he coudl casually take yamas power because hs is stronger than yama.

[@thewarrior8497]

Awesome video guys 🔥🔥

[@Chuck]

Thanks for watching!

[@GreyLeo]

Yama beats Ichibei. Literally had to nerf Yama so Ywatch could beat him. Then the Ichibei fight was just hax vs Hax only purpose Ichibei served was to show how broken the Almighty was. 2 arm Yamato is gonna beat Ichibei with high dif.

[@fg009letyrds8]

Absolutely delusional Shikai Yamamoto got easily slaughtered like a pig by BASE Yhwach in a single hit. Imagine being so fucking weak in Shikai he got 1 hit killed lol, and 1 arm? Smoothbrained take, the point of Yhwach pointing the missing arm out is about how Yamamoto has softened after 1000 years. Shikai Ichibei is already pushing Base Yhwach to his limits just to keep up, then Ichibei used his Bankai which completely dominated Yhwach, pushing him beyond his limits and forced Yhwach to unlock the Almighty. You do the fucking math if you have a brain.

[@Sandbeard]

Ichibei controls all black in the universe

[@mcpics4448]

and it turn out that Yama never fought an Almighty at all Thanks to Ichibei =>

[@CursedValor]

The strongest fire type zanpaku-to statement is in the first or second data book aswell (I believe the first one) it shows the scene of shikai Yamamoto and states that he has the strongest fire type zanpaku-to

[@zerorequiem526]

If we had a situation were they both had there bankai/awakened zanpakto removed then Yamamoto definitely wins, otherwise True Name would probably prevail but Ichibei would have to speak pretty quickly if he doesn’t want his tongue along with the rest of his body to literally be burned out of of existence

[@udiin6518]

surely its the opposite; Yama's bankai is the only thing giving him the chance here, no? Ichibei is faster (4000 ri feat after he initially palms yhwach away), physically stronger at least not weaker (crushed yhwach's throat, broke Yhwach's own Sankt Alter simply by flexing the muscles in his left arm etc...), better kido (no other character has ever shown even an inkling of the "secret kido" he used, and who knows how many more hidden ones he has up his sleeve), and let's say comparable reiatsu since we have nothing to go on there beyond knowing both will be right near the top. While i don't think it would, you can argue a win for yama if you think ZKT would, ironically, nullify the power-nullifier in ichimonji. Furthermore, Ichibei's bankai is more of a support type in truth so not that helpful to him in a hypothetical 1v1. Without bankai I don't see any argument here for yama, two hands or not

[@B1izzardd]

@@udiin6518 you’re 100% right here. I have no idea what the commenter was thinking. The only possible scenario in which yamamoto wins is if he has his bankai and both arms. Ichibe has massively better kido, bakudo, hado, and hakuda so it’s super weird that he commented this and even weirder that anyone liked it.

[@udiin6518]

@@B1izzardd beats me man, i tend to assume its just because most commenters never actually read through the manga - and especially the actual Ichibe/Yhwach fight - so they just repeat things they've read other people say that support what they want to be true even if factually wrong...

[@B1izzardd]

@@udiin6518 I also think that there’s a factor where they just want one character to win even if that isn’t what’s going to happen in an accurate hypothetical. A form of favoritism can cloud obvious scaling. At least that’s what I expect from these comments.

[@cedriccope178]

It's going to be so dope to see the tybw animated

[@alexanderp.goddard5722]

Why is the hell is this even a thing? Yama had to go bankai against a base FAKE yhwach, while ichibei in BASE was TOYING with yhwach. The only reason why he released with zanpaktou in that fight was to humiliate him even further. Yhwach NEEDED the almighty to kill him.

[@lord_haven1114]

There’s zero reason to believe Yama couldn’t beat yuha (again) if he wasn’t super tired and have his bankai stolen. Almighty would be the deciding factor if those other two things didn’t happen, and it decided the Ichibe fight too. Now I’m not saying Ichibe isn’t stronger than Yama, as I don’t even think they are technically the same thing. Ichibe is to shinigami as yuha is to Quincy, a Demi god type thing…but the reasons you stated are irrelevant to the broader issue. Yama would have beaten yuha just as Ichibe did.

[@manigaultdeante]

I think ichibei seemed stronger than yamamoto as he was whooping base yhwach ass while base yhwach overpowered yamamoto cause yhwach said no one in his army includes the elites can steal yamamoto powers cause he is too powerful you have to be atleast equal or stronger in order to steal his powers and ichibei was beating that yhwach ass until he used the almighty but if you use prime yamamoto then I would say yamamoto cause he beat almighty yhwach along time ago and the statement of 0 division combined being above gotei 13 is probably mostly of ichibei anyways because of his ridiculous feats against base yhwach instead of the others cause they got destroyed by the base elites while kyoraku can speed blitz transformed Lille barro so it's mostly can be referring to ichibei cause he is by faaaaaaar the strongest of the 0 division.

[@mcpics4448]

Got to love how the latest episode reconfirmed any chace that Yama ever face an Almighty Yhwach

[@manigaultdeante]

@@mcpics4448 that cool but ichibei still stronger

[@tbrazy2509]

THIS is a fight I wanted to hear about! Goodsnhit chuckyboy

[@bilalfarrukh1715]

I think Yamamoto takes this 6 out of 10. the reason is his bankai can literally destroy the soul society not the seretei but the whole soul society. It definitely won't be an easy fight but I don't think Ichibe's ink touches him. Yhwach and Aizen both avoided a confrontation with Yama, they both had a contingency plan for him where as they thought they could take on the whole zero division by themselves. We also didn't see Yama's full strength, He was defeated by Yhwach because he stole his bankai and because Yama burned all his energy in rage to kill the fake Yhwach,

[@narutofan4545]

It was some bullshit

[@Denzz2]

I don't think it's that black and white though. Ichibei should logically have counters to that because of how he's narratively implied to be the top dog of the shinigami.

[@sinoxilurk4126]

i waited forever for someone to do a vid on this, gonna watch it b4 bed. subbed just coz u made it

[@Chuck]

Thanks for watching!!

[@Rodiacreed]

Yhwach is stronger when fighting Ichibei than when he fought Yamamoto 1000 years ago. We know this because Fake Yhwach didn't look any weaker to Yamamoto or Yama would have noticed. I have to give this win to Ichibei because his zanpakto even when sealed and is just a brush can halve other people's powers. Yamamoto won't use bankai from the second he sees Ichibei as he is too proud to do that. All Ichibei has to do is land a hit with his brush and should he use his shikai and bankai the fight will truly in his favor. The only thing that can potentially cause him problem is Yama's flame cloak but if those don't stop the ink then its over for Yamamoto.

[@ShinyNumber1]

The new hell arc could drastically change this debate in Yamamoto’s favor since beings in hell get a major power boost like Szayelaporro

[@unclebrayn]

Yamamoto is never stated to have the most powerful zanpaktou. At least not once that I can remember. He's only ever stated to have the strongest "FIRE TYPE" zanpaktou. Plus when Yamamoto says no one has been born in a thousand years. That doesn't include ichibe because he is over a thousand years old.

[@ahmedabozaed7143]

Finally someone is doing this topic

[@Chuck]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@ahmedabozaed7143]

@@Chuck you have no idea for how long I've been waiting for this very vedio...thanks

[@revenantronin8377]

You do realise that Yamamoto can use Kido shields and hado spells and other stuff, plus his shunpo speed rivals Ichigo's. With Yamamoto, power-scaling is VERY subtle and implied. Plus he's really smart and plans well ahead always(except that 1 time that led to his death), he let Aizen go knowing that the Hogyoku would take 6 months(or so) to stabilize, and Yamamoto took that time to plan for the battle and he DID get the better of Aizen a few times before Ichigo showed up. Soul reaper vs Soul reaper battles are different compared to Soul reaper vs Quincy or hollow. You can't just use Yhwach as a good metric to scale Ichibe and Yamamoto. It's like saying Ichibe's control over black means he can negate ALL getsuga tenshou's from Ichigo's Bankai or Mugetsu since it's also a darkness-based hax. Hax is not everything, Barragan would be top 5 if it were. I can see Yamamoto one-shotting Ichibe in a 1v1, he won't leave room for Ichibe to act since he's faster and less talkative(lol) and Ichibe is not durable enough to tank a single hit from "these hands". Obviously, narratively, it would be a high diff fight and Ichibe could win 4 out of 10 battles if he plays his cards right but, a sane level-headed "no fucks given" bankai Yamamoto with no reason to hold back plus the 2-hand multiplier would absolutely demolish Ichibe 10 times out of 10, just like Aizen, Yhwach and Ichigo would at their best. He has a broken hax ability but that's not the only 'stat' that matters when power scaling else, hulk would lose to just about any magic user or reality warper in marvel. Who's to say the ink wouldn't dry up or slow down significantly due to the sun-like heat reiatsu Yamamoto emanates?(which is cannon btw, water/ice based zampakutou were basically shut down once all the moisture in the soul society was dried up) And what range of aoe is the ink anyway, because Yamamoto's aoe is planet levels wide in bankai and city to country levels on the low end in shikai, If Ichibe can't reach him from a distance then why would Yamamoto give up the sniping advantage for cqc instead? Idk, I think you guys skipped certain key legit possibilities and focused way too much on hax. Good for Ichibe I guess, loved the video and the collab, hope to see more of the same.

[@Lzdaman]

Great explanation

[@damifash758]

Bro ichibe literally said his bankai covers the whole world . All the black in the world is under my control Anyone who thinks Yamamoto can one shot ichibie is a striaght up clown Man is the first shinigami And has power over concepts like names Even resisted ywach blut haven with sheer bruto force .and you think Yamamoto one shots 😂😂

[@raiden3013]

anything yama can do ichbei can do 10x better. he even has secret kidos he use vs ywach. ywach one shots> yama. then goes on to get dominated by ichbei after he got stronger vs his fight vs yama. and you think yama could last mroe than a few seconds vs ichbei if he was serious?

[@prxxnce_]

Yama wins hand down, hot as the sun zanpakuto burns away everything Ichibei writes and its scorching heat and brightness takes away the black and shadows, Ichibei couldn't get close enough to its heat

[@INSIDIUS44]

The answer is SIMPLE. Whoever has the higher spiritual pressure. But a significant margin. Yama could destroy Soul Society. But Ichibei was affecting ALL THREE WORLDS. Ichibei takes this. Because his SP would negate Yamas heat. Which is SP based. Also let's not forget, that Yhwach was NOT at full power when fighting Yamamoto. Also let's not forget Ichibei controls 'DARKNESS'

[@crimansizers5840]

I agree overall, it comes down to Ink and name hax vs Yamma neg factor. That being said I find people tend to overlook a few things about Ichibe so I thought I would add them here: 1. Ichibe is older than Yamma, and is the first Shinigami. I doubt the statement of "no one born in the last 1000 years is stronger than I" applies to him. The head of Royal Guard is a higher position than Captain Commander as we see in CFYOW where Shunsui who is the CC at the time refers to Ichibe as "Your Eminence" while Ichibe speaks casual to him. 2. In CFYOW we learn a lot about Ichibe. He is a primordial being who just kind of poofed into exitance a MILLION year prior to the quincy war, along with the ancestors of the noble houses and the Soul King. 3. Ichibe's famous 1000 Ri feat (or about 2500 miles a second) was in his base form. His Shikai and Bankai speeds are likely faster much faster.

[@anthonyhaye2385]

Lemme debunk these ppl in the comment section 1.yama only beat a weaker yhwach in the past and I doubt he had the almighty 2.its also headcannon to think yama has more reaitsu than ichibei 3.yama had to use bankai against a clone yhwach 5.ichibei fought and crush a stronger yhwach than yama 6.ichibei is going in knowing what yama bankai does 7.ichibei manipulate concept So how does yama win Man was also a war potential

[@asura3229]

1. Bro he had almighty in that fight and how did he get so much stronger, when it was stated he took 9 years to get his ORIGINAL power back. 2 I don't think he needs to have more reaitsu, he could burn the ink before it touches him. Also base Juha can still steal ichibei's banki, but it's hacks prevented from being stolen permanently. So their about even. 3. So? The fake copied all of Juha abilities and spirit pressure, or else Yamamoto would have noticed. Also give my boy some slack he had one arm and it seems you can't put more power in your sword if you only have one arm. 5. because he had ichibei still had his banki and again it said he was gaining his power back, not that he was a stronger version. 6. Ok, will that stop him from getting burnt from the inside out. 7 But he needs to control it through ink which can be burnt.

[@anthonyhaye2385]

@@asura3229 you didn't debunk a single thing all you did was apply headcannon

[@anthonyhaye2385]

@@asura3229 my guy you haven't been paying attention yama can't burn away ichibei ink based on reaitsu law If the fake had copied all of yhwach power then he should of been able to steal yama bankai, since it was base yhwach who stole yama bankai Don't try to use he only has one arm let's say he had both hand can you tell me how strong he would of been without applying headcannon Once again ichibei would easily stop anything yama gonna do your forgetting ichibei is already going into this fight knowing what yama powers are Once again yama can't burn ichibei ink since it's his spiritual energy

[@asura3229]

@@anthonyhaye2385 No it did say it took 9 years to get his power back, Having one arm nerfs your power out put look at kempachi and Yhwach did take ichibei’s banki. So what was head canon.

[@asura3229]

@@anthonyhaye2385 Bro there both even because Yhwach took both of there banki. OK you got me but Yamamoto was bloodlusted so, he just went for the kill. So you want to put a nerfed yama vs ichibei…..that’s fair. Also why not just 2 times his out put of his attacks. No he just needs to use his banki west and the ink won’t touch him. Yamamotos fire is also his spirit energy so a cold enough temperature won’t out his fire?

[@FarawayBrawlHacks]

I'm glad you gave me a spoiler warning, I could avoid being spoiled about those snacks

[@residentevil2928]

I don't think Yama in bankai can be killed. I'm not sure Ichibe's ink would affect Yama's bankai power due to it erasing existence as it does.

[@badrzouggagh]

He can just use the blackness in his clothes and simply touch him from the inside

[@TheTonytone77]

@@badrzouggagh he would be turned ash before that could happen

[@badrzouggagh]

@@TheTonytone77 Why would he ? Do u think the guy who can crush the strongest blut vene with brute force alone will just die from the heat ? If royd's blut can survive so can ichibei Also his speed feats are far greater since he jumped thousands of miles in less than a second after he bitch slapped yhwach

[@TheTonytone77]

@@badrzouggagh he can't do anything vs zanki no tachi west

[@badrzouggagh]

@@TheTonytone77 Sure he can Yamamoto has blackness in his sword Wich means he already touched him

[@deltalord6969]

Still waiting for your scp gods video but for now this will do.

[@Chuck]

It's a long project, but I'll try to get it done for this year!!

[@slayerx2767]

Yamamoto wins as soon as he activates his Bankai, you can't touch him during his Bankai!

[@raiden3013]

ichbei can casually defeat yama with the concept of black. all beings are made of black. also ichbeis so powerful he transcended ywach. yamas bankai would have no affect on transcended ichbei lol

[@slayerx2767]

@@raiden3013 Yhwach was the only one who could steal Yama's Bankai, Ichbeis Bankai didn't even need to be stolen by Yhwach, afterall it was Yamamoto who defeated Yhwach 1000 years ago, Yamamoto had to be nerfed so bad

[@raiden3013]

@@slayerx2767 ywach did try to steal ichbeis bankai? did you not read the manga? ichbei basically said no and went on to smack ywach more the entire fight. also yama didnt defeat ywach alone. the anime confirrmed it wasnt a 1v1 fight but soul reapers vs quincy. the the 13 court guard slaughtered the quincy and sasikibe back stabed ywach. and then yama finished him off. ywach didnt even sue almighty vs yama back then. ywach literally gains yamas powers absorbs other quiny etc and then is easily smacked around by ichbei who also is the only reason yama can even have a bankai. lol

[@ecaJ.666]

I love this channel

[@Riqq44]

Yamamoto claps. No one is beating him in a straight 1v1

[@leenariblta110]

You are absolutely right yama is a beast

[@-Verycardhock]

If yamamoto defeated ywach and almighty then why did oetsu say "we don't have any battle data on him other than the fight with the fake" Or something like that. It's makes more sense to assume that ywach saved that ability for the zero division considering his initial defeat by Yamamoto was prophetic and seemingly meant to happen

[@turnerbrawley4715]

Oetsu said they only had battle data on the fake yhwach fight and the fight that took place in the original blood war between the real yhwach and Yamamoto

[@-Verycardhock]

@@turnerbrawley4715 ok so why didn't they know about the almighty? Still proves my point that Clyde and Chuck are using pure head cannon to assume Yamamoto battled an almighty ywach. Seems to me he didn't use it until the battle with ichibei

[@turnerbrawley4715]

@@-Verycardhock well iirc yhwach and hastchwalth imply he had regained the almighty due to the fact he regained his powers over time due to the whole 9 prophecy yhwach has also didn't chuck and clyde say he might have fought a almighty yhwach in the past

[@-Verycardhock]

@@turnerbrawley4715 the fact they even bring it up when it's not implied to have been used on shinigami before that moment is kinda dubious. Everything that goes on in the soul society and that world the royal guard knows about. It's heavily implied they watch literally everything. Even things like how kenpachi received his false blade. Ichibei seemed rather arrogant in thinking he has no way to lose only for ywach to fight him and use a technique ichibei should apparently be aware of. The way kubo writes stories would have had ichibei say something akin to "I must be careful when he uses his true power like he did against Yamamoto"

[@turnerbrawley4715]

@@-Verycardhock its been a while since I've read the war arc so forgive me if I'm incorrect but squad 0 doesn't watch everything or they would've alerted the gotei on aizen or tokinada immediately and regarding ichibei he thought that his hax would work against yhwach but was caught off guard by yhwach regaining the almighty