Yamaha R7 vs a REAL SUPERSPORT ON TRACK! (Full Analysis)

[@jonathandavies6862]

This is a really good video and just goes to show what a versatile and credible channel this has come to be. Pappa Yam from across the pond I'm impressed!!

[@Stratocasterhead51]

How refreshing it is to see someone actually crunch some numbers on a motorcycle channel and provide laptimes and data to support their comparison. It is so dissapointing when you see massive moto channels do comparisons at a circuit and all they give you is their "impressions", which are usually biased anyway. Never any numbers, data, laptimes... just feelings. Massive props to yammie for doing it the right way!

[@yonniboy1]

I totally agree about low down power being important at track days, in October at a track day I was amazed to see a guy on the new Ducati monster lapping faster than the best supersports bikes, I recently got the Monster demonstrator on test for the day and its low and mid range is amazing.

[@Stratocasterhead51]

Lets not forget that as much as low down power helps on smaller, tighter tracks, as soon as the going gets really fast (im talking Mugello, Dijon, Silverstone, COTA... etc) the low down power becomes negligeable. On a small, twisty circuit, a 400 will get frighteningly close to 600 or 1000 simply because the power advantage is irrelevant.

[@yonniboy1]

@@Stratocasterhead51 You've nailed it, as they say horses for courses.

[@NA-nc5dg]

It's great for beginner riders on track. Forces the carrying of cornwr speed to stay close on straights. Everyone wants to jump straight to an R6 for some reason. Like their testicles are in question. I did it, I built a zx6r for track, I am the limiting factor. Moving to twins to get better.

[@leanit5756]

One of my funnest track days was on a KTM 690 Supermoto in the Intermediate group. Don't have to have a super fast bike to go pretty fast or have fun on track.

[@jasong546]

This is really cool yammie I haven’t really seen a breakdown like this before. Nice job!

[@defaultuser3410]

So basically, Yamaha knew exactly what they were doing when they came up with the R7 as a "Supersport" for the street.

[@chrishart8548]

Well there is no such thing as a super sport for the street. So yes they made the most perfect pointless bike. If it suits what someone wants that's fine.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

@@chrishart8548 Right, they just made a good sportsbike

[@pravesh736]

@@davidabad173 it's called R6, so really pointless for r7 😁

[@tubejorrit]

@@pravesh736 except the r6 isnt sold anymore new from Yamaha

[@chrishart8548]

@@davidabad173 makes more sense on a track than on the road. But how far does 73hp go on a track ( probably quite well actually)

[@flip_moto]

not just a good review of the two bikes, but some great track day advice too. Intermediate track days on 600SS can be real challenge in more ways than just mentioned here. As pointed out between the two bikes, usable torque is big factor to lap times, and riders with less than average corner speeds, but gobs of torque out of the exits - they not only hurt thier own progress, but slow down the riders on less HP machines too (in the corners and braking). If I could wish one thing for TX track day hosts, please put the liter bike intermeidate as thier own class (instead of using experience to split the group). If I could do it my way, 4 groups of riders, 35 minutes sessions. A: beginners - B900: Intermediates with less than 899cc - B1000: Intermediates with more than 900cc - C: advanced. 25 minutes seesions are too short to get clean laps, 50-60 minutes requires some serious endurance. 30-35 minutes would be perfect.

[@NA-nc5dg]

That's only 5 seconds of difference on two massively different setups. I'd love to see the times for a track prepped R7, there are some juicy mods for suspension as well as power adds now like wider throttle bodies, intakes, exhaust, milled generator, sprockets, etc... I wouldn't be surprised if that 5 seconds drops to 2 or 3.

[@ethanleno5259]

“only 5 seconds”

[@palonmar9490]

How much that bike would cost with all that modifications you mentioned? I guess it will cost more than a new r6...if you can get one

[@ethanleno5259]

@@palonmar9490 used r6s are unbelievably cheap

[@uofmemphis11]

@@palonmar9490 But how much does the nearly fully built Daytona 675 in this video cost? Everybody is missing the OP’s point. ( @N A ) He’s just saying he would like to see a built R7 vs a built “super sport” bike. I agree comparing a race bike to a stock bike is very apples to oranges. And yes, for a race prepped bike vs a stock street bike, 5 seconds is a smaller gap than I would’ve imagined. (Also, an exhaust with no tune/flash doesn’t make this a non-stock bike. Power gain with no ECU reflash will be negligible at best.)

[@haydenschultz7461]

Last season in MotoAmerica, at tracks that were more technical and didn’t have as many long straights, the Twins cup bikes (R7, RS660, SV650) were within 3 seconds or so of the leaders in Supersport. That gap would be bigger at tracks with long straights though

[@ZoeyCarey]

The 675 wins on sound alone

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

Yes, but the r/ does sound good as well, here maybe too loud

[@bebeKoRider]

I'm just amaze how consistent yammie is despite of different bike..nice comparison too...

[@godinminaar9024]

Ok so this is by far my favorite video, I hope you do more with this format! I wish you had done this with the RS660 and MY 390 Duke. It really kind of shows what you would be getting for your money, this entry level bike is a minute slower but $5g cheaper, this bike is 15 seconds faster, but costs $5g more. Great show. Will watch this again while not working.

[@Chris-po5sw]

Simply put, Yam out rides 99.9% of us, no need to add qualifiers man, you got da beans

[@terrystarr4793]

Thank you for confirming my bias with the R7. Curious if all the mods to the Daytona were transferred over to the R7 to see how good it is. To me it seems like it would be a ton of fun.

[@stickybucket1851]

Holy crap that was a THOROUGH comparison. Niiiice vid, guys

[@ajilano7753]

This is why i keep coming back to this channel. Sure you had some bad moments in the past but your content is amazing overall and your humor is great. You really have a passion in motorcycles and I can see how you take it serious sometimes. Keep it up yammie 👍👍

[@azel8rrp169]

Considering the R7 is stock and the Daytona is fully race prepped, R7 performed amazing.

[@NA-nc5dg]

Agreed, people talk shit, but that thing has close to zero mods. There are some great R7 power adds out there now, Milled Generators, Intakes, Widened Throttle Bodies, etc... I bet it would be even closer if properly prepped.

[@coleskh]

You didn't read your chart correctly, you are looking at MPH vs. Distance (not time). That is why they are equivalent in length and allows you to see any differences in speed at the same point on the track. Also allows you to see your acceleration based on the slope of the line. And for what its worth the only thing that moves you forward is torque. But if the engine spins faster then you can have a more advantageous gear ratio at the same speed. So, even if you are making less torque at the crank you have more torque at the rear wheel after it has been transmitted through the transmission. That's why a R7 that makes 50 ft-lbs of torque can be so much slower than a R6 that makes 45 ft-lbs of torque, at the wheel the R6 is putting down a lot more torque at the same speed. Horsepower just kinda approximates that since it is a combination of torque and RPM.

[@asga4rd]

Hey Whats up! Just got my brand new R7 and i love it!!! Just One question what frame sliders are those on the R7? Love your videos bro 😍😍😍

[@theimmortalgriffithdavion1592]

My question is how much of the difference is due to you being far more familiar with the Daytona. Wouldn't that make you more confident ont hat bike and more willing to push?

[@MrRedFox13Photography]

I wonder what a 400cc bike would look like side by side.

[@KJ-nw8ge]

A 400cc can't compete vs an SV 650 on a track like this. A small technical track with many turns can allow for a smaller displacement bike to compete but at a certain straight length, the larger displacement bike will outrun the other. I've seen 2T 85s compete against Ninja 250s on small tracks but struggle on longer tracks.

[@KJ-nw8ge]

@@stevenjackson5541 :: yeah but I can put JC Camacho on a 400 and even a slightly seasoned Novice on an SV will beat him on that track just due to the HP and length of track. Hell I've even asked him about the 400 vs the 500cc class and even tho he is in the top 5, those 500 bikes rigged right can still beat him even while he has the #1 plate. There is no replacement for displacement and anyone with experience knows that.

[@KJ-nw8ge]

@@stevenjackson5541 to add to that I have duked it out on a motoard Kawi 2T 85 vs a Motard Kawi KX 500 on a tight technical track and had a ton of fun doing so. Not enough straight for him to run away from me and tight enough turns for me to out brake him. We were both racers but the track favored a light 2 stroke vs a large heavy 500.

[@TheNazradin]

400s have been screwed over since they became learner's bikes. Back in the 90s 400s had 60hp. Now you're looking at 40ish.

[@teddy3967]

@@TheNazradin I hope Kawasaki releases the zx25r in North America or they make a high performance ninja 400 called the zx4r

[@limitlessnrg1818]

Stop trying to make the R7 happen Yammie! It's not gonna happen!

[@niteshvishwakarma6709]

😂

[@JCarl-qq8kj]

Agreed!!!

[@yammienoob]

Take it up with Yamaha. Not me lol

[@everettbranscom6536]

The R7 is happening the R6 is dead and the twins class is the fastest growing class in road racing.

[@limitlessnrg1818]

@@everettbranscom6536 ahhh right over your head I see 😆

[@douglas7260]

A full blown race bike vs a stock R7 on non-slicks.... that accounts for a lot. Plus most typical track riders will be able to push harder and be faster on a R7 vs a SS600. This R7 has stock brakes? ABS still active? No SS brake lines? That makes an impact on confidence.... at a minimum the R7 being track configured (fairings, take lights, blinkers, etc. off) sticky tires, and good brakes would probably make up 1-2 seconds.

[@newscootgoofin]

Really enjoyed this video format! Loved the break downs and comparisons. benchmarking different bikes against the Daytona on track could make for a cool series.

[@tjey379]

Fascinating insites and a good honest case for smaller displacement bikes.

[@MSCSphoto]

I would love to see what improvement the R7 would see if you did the slicks and the -1 and +2 sprockets . And the R7 on a diet for weight . I think the -1 and +2 would make a big difference for the lap times . Bring them closer together.

[@SaaduMia]

I think this is my favourite video from Yammie Noob. Please make more videos like this

[@randyvargas-Naiboa]

Thank you for the awesome video. Super excited to see if I get lucky with the sweepstakes! 🤞🏽🙏🏽

[@edgarvega180]

Its very interesting to see these smaller bikes performance

[@Morpheuus88]

I have a slightly modded Svartpilen 401 with Andreani custom set suspension (forks + shock) and took it to a very twisty track. It's surprisingly capable, even on the road it can keep up time wise with my SuperDuke 1290GT unless highways or VERY fast roads are involved

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

Well your Superduke is probably limited by the rider then. If your 401 can hold up with the Duke, or you are a responsible rider and know the limits of a public road.

[@chrisbrown3277]

Let's be fair...you had 100 track days on the Daytona but one on the R7

[@JCrozier1]

Wasn't sure if this video was going to be for me. Turns out, I did learn a few things. Solid.

[@TheMrwilliams2u]

Just ordered the 2022 R7 60the anniversary edition and Sc project CRT exhaust. This will be my first bike, couldn't resist.

[@TheMrwilliams2u]

I picked up the R7; however, it is now in the shop because I did a wheelie from a stoplight by mistake😅; it does have more power than you would think. Thankfully I was in full gear.

[@everettbranscom6536]

I really like this review but I wish Yammie would have been on a CBR600RR or GSXR600 that was street prepped. He just has way too much experience on his Daytona 675 that's fully race prepped for it to be a fair comparison. Even after saying that, it was closer than I thought, I wouldn't expect a super twins bike to compete with a 600 super sport that's why they're in different classes. Yamaha wanted a bike under $10,000 to compete in the super twins. I think it does it better than anything else out there. Can't wait to see what the other brands bring to the table in the next year or two for the twins class.

[@kratsa99]

Okay but no one’s gonna talk about the Death Grips hoodie? I love it

[@dukiemoto8676]

Gentle please because I don’t know much about racing, question though.. if the r7 was set up for racing with a few mods, tires, suspension, brakes and fueling how much of a difference do you think it would make?

[@santiagopbecerra]

Probably one or max 2 seconds... In order to feel those changes more you'd need a much better rider (not saying he's bad or anything, just that you need to be really good to really use that)

[@dukiemoto8676]

Cool thanks. Because looking at his Daytona seems like it’s had a little bit of work done to it, again I don’t know much. Again thank you for replying to my earlier question.

[@porterdallenbach1639]

1% max

[@killerdeviant]

It all came down to top end power on this comparison. Over 100 mph the r7 isn’t gonna keep up.

[@everettbranscom6536]

It definitely would have helped I also think having a rider that doesn't have years and years of experience on a 675 set up exactly for him on the track might have made a bigger difference.

[@actstuntcam]

Cool vid Yammie. I really enjoyed this. Not sure I agreed with your assessment of where you make up time as a rider though. Rider ability is basically measured in how much corner speed you can carry, how hard you can brake and how early you can accelerate, AND how well you transition between these. If you brake later you make up time, if you have more corner speed you traverse that distance quicker and any speed you make up in corner exit, you keep for the duration of that section. All the serious racers always told me if you come out of the corner carrying 5kph more, then you carry that extra 5kph all the way down the straight. It is always amazing to see how fast some guys are on small bikes. When I was racing, the fast guys in F3 (400 multis and 650 twins) were only 4 seconds a lap slower than the pro guys on their 1000s. (1:02 vs 58secs). AND that was a very fast, flowing track, with top speeds of 315kph, so it suited big fast bikes.

[@leanit5756]

Watching Ken Hill's video with him on a Ninja 400 at The Ridge Motorsports Park makes me think a R7 with the right rider on it could be among the fastest bikes at track day.

[@actstuntcam]

oh, also that R7 looks really cool.

[@truss6282]

Dang good looking bike

[@Delerium04]

Makes me proud of my Mt07

[@emmanuelbabuji5696]

Sportbikes,Watching From Kenya Africa

[@justindivito1279]

I'd love to see the comparison of the R7 vs RS660 since they are both more realistic purchases for everyday people that they would like to take to the track.

[@NinjaKid1985]

Great analysis with the graph and the video comparison. Really nice content here. Would love to see the same comparison with your daytona against a RS660. But I have to say it's not "Much closer than I thought". It's actually exactly as far of as I thought. At the end of the day 6.2 seconds on the track is a huge gap.

[@flip_moto]

As an owner of RS660 and Street Triple R - the whole comparison of anything against an older Daytona 675R is wonky (it was never really competitive against 600 supersports). The new 765RS has significant bump in HP and tuning which puts the new Daytona in class by itself, literally, as the sole motoGP 2 engine. And for the Aprilia, they engineered it to compete in the Twin Cups. It would be interesting to see the RS with a RaceECU, decatted and upgraded suspension go against a 765 Daytona, but still not quite an apple vs apple comparision (Twin vs Triple). Howver, the RS vs R7 vs SV650, all in race trim, will literally be 2022 storyline in Moto America this year.

[@dallasjohnson8109]

Hey! Love this vid! Would love more stuff like this. Quick question for ya papa yam, what stuff and software are you using to get all this data on your lap times? Thanks!

[@JCarl-qq8kj]

I love YN but why the obsession with such an over-rated motorcycle? R7 is a confused bike and I am starting to get confused by video after video pertaining to a bike that is a neither a great sport bike nor a great naked bike… 😒. Sport bikes are meant to be redline screamers, and naked bikes should have relatively comfy ergos-R7 is a unique freak that doesn’t excel at anything. At least the R6 was an unashamed sport bike and the MT 07 is an unashamed naked bike. Can we move on from the R7 already? Would love to see another Yamcast btw (ep 70). I watch Yamcasts from start to finish, they’re great 👍🏼 😊

[@yammienoob]

1. It’s a giveaway bike. YN’s main business model is to promote and discuss our giveaway bikes. 2. The R7 is a very popular motorcycle. Yamaha is selling a bunch of them and so it makes sense to make content about it. 3. I love on-track riding and discussions which is why I made this video,

[@JCarl-qq8kj]

@@yammienoob you didn’t actually need to explain yourself to me. I am some random guy on the internet and you are a successful KZbinr with a million plus subscribers. I love your channel I just really don’t understand the hype with what little old me deems to be an un-special motorcycle. Scrolling through the other comments on this video, I am not alone in my sentiment. Looking forward to Yamcast Ep 70 👍🏼

[@everettbranscom6536]

@@JCarl-qq8kj My guess is there's a lot of hype because it's the first bike from the Big four purpose built for the twins class which is the fastest growing racing class United States and Europe. It also has a bulletproof torque engine for under 9 Grand. The 600 class has been dying for over a decade that's why this bike exists. The bike isn't confused but I think you might be confused as to it's intended purpose. Sales for super sport 600s and 1000s are 80% below what they were in 2008. That's another reason the bike exists super sports got overpriced and over focused very few people need to track machine of that caliber probably less than 1000 in the whole United States. But they R7 works perfect for me and a lot of other people. Enough power to keep me happy but out of jail. Fast enough to keep up with most 600s and 1000s at the track and it's cheap and easy to maintain. Another funny thing about the bike the is the faster the rider the more they seem to like and understand the bike. Average super slow sport bike guy tells me how slow it is and how it only has 74 horsepower and how much faster there R6 is. When I took the bike to the racetrack with a bunch of racers and expert level riders they were all very curious about the bike I let some of them ride it and they all really enjoyed it and thought it was a fun bike. Most constant comparison it feels like a race prepped sv650. A race prepped sv650 can go very fast at the track.

[@treeguyable]

Love the ongoing comparisons, seems to cover a lot of stuff most of us wouldn't have a chance to do. Why I like seeing all these tech comparisons, I don't know, just love street riding my R1, and my cruisers.

[@dg8062]

Almost tells me that r7 with comparable hp and slicks might lay down a better time. Hope an r9 is coming!

[@LandonClimbs]

Fr. A r9 would be dope as hell

[@Stratocasterhead51]

No it wouldnt. Because the r7 with that much power would overwhelm the chassis, the brakes, the suspension. Youve got to remember that it is the blending of good brakes, good power, good chassis setup that allows for a faster lap time. Its easier to get close to a bikes potential if you have less horsepower: everything happens slowly. This is why you often see 600s lap faster than 1000s at track days: less power means it is easier to control.

[@TwistedTriggerEnduro]

Great video! Love comparisons and facts with numbers. Much respect!! 💪😃

[@monkmoto1887]

I don’t know that’s a huge gap for that track I bet a ninja 400 would be closer to an R7 than an R7 is to a Daytona

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

You have to keep in mind, that the Daytona is fully race specced. Not only was it running on slicks, it had full brembos on. I am no pro, but if you gvie the R7 the brembo, raceslicks and öhlins which would be around 5k (I'm guessing) the difference between the Daytona and R7 would probably close to 0. And then there is the Ninja400, with almost 50% less power and torque and skinnier tires. I don't think that that would match up well against these two. You could say that the Daytona almost makes double the power than the R7, but it doesn't make double the Torque. And again the Daytona is race specced, it probably doesn't even have stock power.

[@pravesh736]

Track riding = Bike = 20% Rider = 80% 😂

[@monkmoto1887]

Ok it’s a fully race specd bike but it’s not a full race spec rider. The fact he had the same corner speed on wider slicks say it all. It’s not meant as a dis to yammie noob it’s just an observable fact

[@monkmoto1887]

@@pravesh736 exactly my dude.

[@pravesh736]

@@davidabad173 moto3 corner faster becuz of basic science = Less mass. R7 weighs more than R6, it's not the brembos and ohlins, clear noob Common sense ain't so common or its more than meets the eye 😁

[@daandesanders4282]

Yammie with the death grips hoodie, representing the culture

[@AAARREUUUGHHHH]

Yuh!

[@THEREALZENFORCE]

42hp less and yet only 5 seconds behind a race prep 120hp Daytona 675 (30% more power) Would be interesting to see a 119hp stock R9 (if ever released) versus a race prep Daytona 675, or simply take the new 119hp MT-09SP on the same race track for comparison. Yam, well done because you almost made the same lines for both bikes in the video, proven by your race track analytics and video.

[@alexandertoback5553]

“Only 5 seconds”

[@monkmoto1887]

On a short circuit the difference between 140hp supersports and 240 hp superbikes is often 2 seconds..

[@THEREALZENFORCE]

@@alexandertoback5553 5 seconds difference between a 30% weaker hp R7 and a 120hp 675 race prep Daytona is still less than the nearly 7 seconds between the Daytona 675 and the expert laptime shown by Yam in the video. The R7 is a 9k street "beginner" bike (for real world riding) not a nearly 12k R6 (race prep easily over 15k). Hence at 15k (a 2021 inflation price) i see no reason to buy a 600 R6 with 120hp when you can almost get a 1000 sports bike 200hp GSXR-1000 or 12k stock new GSX-S1000 that laugh at the R6. A new R6 at nearly 15k would cost too much for what it is (a mere 600), the older R6 model prices were good for what the bike was. Hence brands are slowly moving to 900 ish bikes (see new upcoming KTM sports bike road legal) instead of R6 and ZX6R. The new 900ish KTM sportsbike will ridicule R6 for nearly the same price. Let me guess you want young beginners on 120hp R6 instead of 78hp R7 bikes (sub 44hp 35kW in A2 in Europe) ???

[@THEREALZENFORCE]

@@e4ee4e9 Yes that would be interesting RS660 vs new Tuono 660 factory laptimes

[@THEREALZENFORCE]

@@monkmoto1887 yes but both race bikes (140 vs 240 hp) would then have near the same good type of race brakes, race suspension and race tires and not the difference of hardware of an R7 to a race prep Daytona 675 (a 9k near stock R7 and a new Daytona 675 would be near 15k nowadays) Apples and Oranges comparisons ;-)

[@mattgr1347]

the thing is there is probably an easy 3 sec just by tuning suspension and just overall owning the R7. Since you run the Daytona a lot, i feel like its not that bad :O

[@yammienoob]

The R7’s suspension was already dialed in for that day. Unless you’re talking about a new rear shock and front forks - but that wouldn’t magically add 3 seconds. It would just improve feel for the rider and allow them to have more confidence. When you’re on a 75HP bike on a larger track rider skill is all that matters. I was out running several liter bikes and 600’s on the R7 this day lol

[@everettbranscom6536]

@@yammienoob I get that but if you would have took a CBR, R6, or a gsxr that was Street prep not a full race bike that you have a lot of experience on you would have been a second or two slower. Even after saying that I don't expect a twins class bike to run with a 4 cylinder super sport bike. That's why they run them in two separate classes.

[@santiagoseven6112]

I just got my R7 so i'm loving all the R7 videos🤣

[@edgarvega180]

Really great video. Very informative.

[@ChadOHara98]

Awesome video yam!

[@Glock_4717]

Awesome vid much love yam

[@jasonanderson261]

Put the hordpower with SC project and tune it then add slicks to a 24 model with brembo stock brakes and see what happens

[@r.i.p2464]

Race tires gives huge advantage. I once lapped my car with street tire vs track slicks. The difference is a little over 4 sec. Granted, my car's suspension wasn't tuned to maximize the use of street tires but still! i doubt I'd make much difference if i did.

[@aries_tottle5551]

Looking for my 2nd bike, my first bike was a 07 GSXr 750. Now looking to own my 2nd bike. Should I go R7, GSXr 750 or 636? I don’t want a liter bike that’s too much for my liking especially because of the city I live in.

[@ChaseN194]

Fun fact, the cbr1000rr SP2 in full track build is 368lbs wet. So sure heavier than the RRR, but not all fireblades are alike.

[@paulrandolph8469]

Did you adjust the suspension on the R7? From the factory it can be way off.

[@whellhem7097]

I'd be interested to see the difference if you installed and used the turbo kit for the R7 for track

[@livingon2wheels]

As an MT rider myself, I think the R7 is an MT-07 with some good components that allow you to be more aggressive and have some fun with that torque monster of an engine. I prefer my MT but I'd love to ride an R7 for fun.

[@wetzel1628]

Yam should compare his Daytona race bike on track with the other 600 super sports out there, like an r6 or zx6r

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

I would assume that they'd play about the same, but the daytona being ahead because he is used to the bike.

[@fullmetalf4i]

To give the R7 a more apples to apples comparison you would be looking at the Aprilia 660 and Suzuki SV650

[@JMKGarage]

Wow, really impressed with the lap time you set with the R7! I'll still take my Daytona 675 any day though.

[@thomasjonsson2587]

But how would that Daytona compare to the RS 660? (Because you loved that bike)

[@josefloresjr1590]

Also take into consideration this is a huge selling point for yammy to prove the worth of the r7 to his 600cc loving viewers.

[@emmmanuel501]

You shoul have a comparation with something like vitpilen 701, who has sabe weight off the daytona and, more torque, so in the apex it is going to came out better but lo se in the straigh

[@ZeroMayhem]

Never really understood why they never made the R7 a “true sport bike” aka built for speed and racing as well as street stuff, but I get it has great low end but just would like to see it be the one up from the R6 or they just bring back the R6 because personally I think the R7 is not what “I’M” looking for in a bike

[@JCarl-qq8kj]

🙏🏼 Amen! Preach!

[@zacharyshipinski7199]

The r7 is a glorified beginner bike

[@phantom_10792]

Because the R7 already existed like that

[@zacharyshipinski7199]

@@phantom_10792 basically only as a homologation race bike though, you’d probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than getting your hands on an original r7

[@lucaric6935]

Google the released price of original R7. Then you understand.

[@aal9207]

You should vlog a typical track day race.

[@Scratch83]

Dont think i didn't see what you guys did with the analysis cut you naughty boys...

[@tjames22123]

Yammie noob, not so noob. You should now try this on a Harley Davidson for a sparky festive new years break in experience.

[@durim187]

What difference was due to slicks though? I would have thought slicks are worth at least 2-3 seconds. Other than that, i am starting to understand R7 a little bit better. Its Porsche 911 carrera s of the bikes.

[@timothythomas72]

Very good video. I was curious about the R7 vs Daytona 675. The weight distribution of the triple is a lot closer to the CP2 than an i4. I have a ZX6R that I was planning on converting to a track day bike when my 60th Anniversary World GP R7 arrives. Damn the supply chain!!! But during the test rides on the standard R7, it was noticeably easier to tip in on cornering at faster speeds. Wait... this is going to take to long to explain this way. Seeing you turn laps that close(considering setup and familiaity) reinforces my idea that I may want to sell ZX6R and get something like a Daytona 675 for track days. I feel like regularly riding the R7, will negatively impact my track days on the top heavy i4. Or even be dangerous if I don't take enough time adjusting to the change in weight distribution. I know the 675 doesn't have nearly the top end potential of the ZX6R, but I feel like I will be able to adjust quicker and safer from my street ride to my track ride. Great video!!! Keep it up.

[@kestrel3509]

I think what you should do is make your Zx6r fully track oriented, change some of the teeth from front and back to make it quicker and sacrifice some of the top, get full system (if you don't have one) and enjoy. Atleast Zx6r would be more comfortable.

[@timothythomas72]

@@kestrel3509 thanks for the input. I've already done the sprocket changes for better acceleration. But the problem with the i4 and CP2 is the weight distribution, not the top end speed. The best way to describe it is to draw 3 lines on the profile of a bike: 1 top, 1 middle, and 1 bottom. The i4 has more weight in the top half and the parallel twin has more weight in the bottom half. That's why the parallel twin is more "flickable" as they say. That's not a manufacturer or setup thing. That's just the nature of the i4 vs parallel twin. So after the very basics, chasing lap times goes in opposite directions. The i4 requires more braking, as late as possible, and way more body position changes. Even on the twisties near my house, my butt is mostly hanging off to the inside of the turn on the ZX6R. You have to compensate for that extra weight at the top. On the parallel twin you have to brake as little as possible and maintain as much speed as possible through the turn. The parallel twin doesn't have the acceleration or top end. So it's all about maintaining speed. Not how quickly you can get back into the throttle. I know it doesn't sound all that different, but it's actually huge. If you try to attack the track on a parallel twin the way you do with an i4, your going to hurt your lap times. If you try to attack the track on an i4 the way you do with a parallel twin your going to hurt yourself.

[@kestrel3509]

@@timothythomas72 Damn learned a lot bro, thnx for the comment.

[@aldwinlacuesta15]

Please do a similar analysis using R6 and R7

[@NHlocal]

Bikes on the track??? .....I don't have to watch it to know I'm gonna love it. 😃👍❤🏍 I've watched a bunch of videos over the last year or so that at some point say/comment about starting on a "smaller" bike at the track. I bought the original Ninja 900 way back in '85. 35 years later I was once again able to afford to invest in the legendary Ninja, this time a true "liter bike", the ZX10R. It truly is a beast to ride. As much as I would love to "invest" in a smaller bike for the track there is no way I can even think about getting another bike. Last summer I "discovered" track days and have been extremely fortunate to get to 3 track days this past summer and somehow managed to not crash my bike and actually learn a little bit along the way. I admit the ZX10R ain't the ideal bike to learn how to ride at the track but, with no other option I have found it to be the most "fun"/most terrifying/most excitement/biggest rush I have ever had dressed in leather. 😁 Thanks for the great content and keep yourself safe! Randy

[@godinminaar9024]

That Triumph looks amazing.

[@manxman8008]

The Trummy looks great!

[@stevenyerry2209]

What I'm confused about is how the cornering speeds are identical even with the daytona being so much lighter

[@martyeuro1890]

Rider level

[@Pasdee]

the daytona sound is fckn eargasm

[@patrickoneil6817]

Cool but I still wish they made an ACTUAL supersport for the middleweight, R6 is always gonna be the goat

[@coastalhillbilly3419]

Late model R6 prices are stupid high right now, for 5 or 6 grand more you can get a brand new R1

[@walkerfharris]

@@coastalhillbilly3419 I bought a first gen r6 for 900 dollars and im about to buy one from 2010 for 4000 dollars they really are not that expensive compared to other supersports. But you have a point sometimes its hard to justify the horsepower per dollar with supersports.

[@coastalhillbilly3419]

@@walkerfharris I'm jealous. Been seeing 2015'-2020 listed for 12k, 13k plus here in CA

[@JRico831]

@@coastalhillbilly3419 or you could get a new zx6 for 10 k and actually enjoy your low to mid rpms lol but to each their own.

[@coastalhillbilly3419]

@@JRico831 Right on, ZX6R is the best bang for buck new bike deal out there and you get an extra 36cc

[@EREN-hb7ov]

I love your content I hope I buy a Bike For my self . I'm still struggling but one day I will buy one . Lots of love from IND ❤️🫂

[@ther6ridaa313]

Still have that green and white sticker on the forks of the Daytona?

[@MrRui33333]

it is a considerable difference yes, however, I think that the r7 is not ashamed, having less power almost 50hp, and it could be much better for r7 if it were super equipped with track mods as the dayatona 675, this is a practically prepared machine to the track, and on the r7 what's there? a full exhaust )? nothing more,..I believe that a well-prepared, well-remapped r7,.. for an even faster torque discharge at low and medium rpm,..among other mods and to lower weight if possible,..I think the difference would lower for 3 sg ,..or even less ,.. alias ,.. I even believe that with a well prepared mt 07 I would also make a better lap time ,..I think it was worth trying with a well prepared mt 07 !

[@LilLefty27]

I love your 675 Mr. Yam. Looks spicy and sounds even spicier

[@coulisnosaj]

Love this one, more like please.... 👍

[@purplepancake3566]

Can you please mention the Torque in NM as well please. Thank you 🙏🙏

[@Indarow]

I mean, yea 5 seconds is a lot in the racing world, but the Daytona weighs almost 40lbs less with 50hp more and has race slicks mounted. The r7 held it’s ground pretty damn well considering. Just reinforces my opinion that the people loudly claiming they’d never touch an r7 with a ten foot pole are squids who can only ride in a straight line.

[@mannygsxr]

Cool vid yam 🍠

[@warren010h]

Loving all the R7 content! Partially because I'll have mine within a week once the dealer gives has it ready to go. Have the yoshi R77 exhaust and a few other parts sitting in my place waiting for the bike lol. Looking forward to finally riding the dang thing.

[@Jesusprayerwarriorbw]

Congratulations!

[@johnykryll]

That Tona is gorgeous

[@xiaomiantonisantonis2926]

So, you are saying that expensive ohlins forks and shock doesn't make the bike really any faster?

[@danielgroeneweg3781]

You need the skill to use stuff like that

[@BTrain-is8ch]

The NIX30 cartridges you get in most OEM Ohlins fork setups aren't anything particularly special. Especially not when they're valved for a street bike.

[@charliemaybe]

what you are saying, is that if the r7 had more power, it would be the speed of a Daytona

[@ADobbin1]

what difference would the racing slicks have made to the r7's ability to handle corners at a higher speed?

[@13martin182]

Yammie explained that the corner speed was not an issue and both bikes carried pretty much the same speed through corners unless R7 was unable to reach the same speed on a straight before the corner

[@ADobbin1]

@@13martin182 I didn't suggest corner speed was an issue I'm wondering if it might be able to go faster through corners with slicks since it was close on road tires. That's why I'm asking, I'm curious if anyone has an opinion. I'm new to bikes and I don't really know much about tire differences and such.

[@FinityXD]

@@ADobbin1 it’s cos yammie didn’t have enough skill to fully utilise those slicks. Simple.

[@MrFz1000]

Wow I feel like you had listened to me. That's was what I wanted to se

[@Youtube_Globetrotter]

I wish you could take the KTM Duke 890R and compare it to any 600+ sport bikes on track and se who wins.

[@Rexani_]

that damn Slack notification got me. Felt caught while working

[@yammienoob]

Someone on team Yam needed me!

[@WestyorkshirestRS]

That weight for Daytona at beginning yam, was that with a full tank of fuel?

[@electric2018]

5:19 excuses, excuses

[@yammienoob]

Literally said that

[@markpereira7730]

Yammi! I’m confused with what you really think about the R7 one of your videos you were on track not very impressed with it

[@philipparana9225]

God dammit the r7 content has made it already into 22