Top 7 Reasons why EV Motorcycles WILL FAIL

[@PaintballShyguy]

Electric won't become a thing until they either charge fast or they swap out batteries at stations. The price is a huge issue as well.

[@CrunchDramaNetwork]

Why they don't focus on hydrogen? I remember a dude that had his Cadillac running on water. They killed him

[@bertsmith5569]

range, weight, cost. lots stacked against the ev world without government assistance.

[@nanaholic01]

@@CrunchDramaNetwork Kawasaki has made a prototype hydrogen fuel cell bike.

[@binodinisahoo9328]

​@@CrunchDramaNetworkhydrogen is very hard to produce its expensive as well

[@CrunchDramaNetwork]

@nanaholic01 I know!! It's expensive as hell lol you would think it would be cheap but nah!! They make hydrogen bikes but only the people who could afford them are "well off"

[@Vinny-rh4rs]

where’s my vroom vroom? I need my vroom vroom

[@draunt7]

IDK... You ever sat in a tesla going down the road at night with no noise? There's something to "silence is golden" when the alternatives can always be straight pipes. There's value to stealth.

[@Mr.Minothaure]

@@draunt7 its also very dangerous to be silent and also my ICE car doesnt make much noise when im driving cuz of good sound deadning

[@FinSane525]

@@draunt7 Except the ride isn't silent cause the road noise is so bad

[@mencibenci]

the electric hum also sounds amazing tbh

[@BatW446]

no more Vroom Vroom

[@logangodofcandy]

If I got $20k for a bike, I'm getting a rocket3 or tiger 900 fully kitted

[@owenhayes7886]

rocket 3's are awesome

[@justinturner4850]

My bike gets 40mpg, and takes $10 to fill up. There’s no need for electric bikes. Let alone the fact that we love the pops and bangs and exhaust notes. We love the smells. We literally rub the used motor oil on our…. Well maybe not ALL of us…. But you get the idea.

[@tedmarakas2626]

Unless you are in some country where the fuel prices are $10 per gallon and the general cost of living is ridiculous, fuel mileage means nothing. Personally speaking, here in the US, I haven't met a single person in 35 years of riding where the MPG was important. Nobody wants MPG, we all want HP and TQ

[@jmackinjersey1]

​@tedmarakas2626 Go talk to the guys in the North West where they ride year 'round, rain or shine. They are a breed of their own though. They are always talking about how they get so.much more out of a gallon of gas compared to cars.

[@fredorico41]

That's one of the joys of owning a motorcycle, the sweet sound the engine makes, if you have an electric bike, in my opinion I may as well ride a electric wheelchair 😂

[@thetowndrunk988]

@@tedmarakas2626Except me. I ride my Busa like an elderly man having an age crisis.

[@tedmarakas2626]

@@jmackinjersey1 Why though? If it is about going the distance where fuel stations are far apart then I can see the point. However, if you spend $30k on a motorcycle a few dollars here and there means nothing.

[@joshuablaz]

A customer at my dealership let me try out a Ninja 7 Hybrid they rode in a couple weeks ago. I'm not running out to buy one, but it was a LOT more interesting than a pure EV bike. You still get an ICE and all it's fun noises, and when paired with a real engine the whine of the electric motor is evocative of a supercharger. The big BOOST button is a little goofy, but in a fun way imo. She'd already had multiple issues within like 2k miles, but Kawi was following through on warrantying anything weird. If Uncle Sam held a gun to my head and made me buy one, I'd take the hybrid over a Livewire any day. Until then though, I think my next bike will be a 2 stroke.

[@kushagraN]

Multiple issues under 2000 miles. 🤔 🤔 So even kawasaki is beta testing with people's vehicles...

[@EvilGav]

How did it handle? I saw them at a bike show earlier this year and my thought was it seemed very heavy for what it was - 227kg and around 70bhp.

[@ABunchOfBusas]

That seems like a lot of kgs

[@oplkfdhgk]

Yeah it's good. Just needs a charging port. Without charging port it doesn't seem to have any lower emissions than regular motorcycle so it's kinda pointless.

[@joshuablaz]

@@EvilGav yeah, it's a bit heavy and unusually long. Felt a bit like a chubby SV650 IMO. No idea what it's like when you push it, but if they iron out the kinks it'd be a fine backroad street bike. Give one a try if you get the opportunity, it's a fun novelty at the very least.

[@Raeodor]

Charging takes longer than you can actually ride it.

[@C0lon0]

Here in Brazil there is a company that makes EV Bikes, they can swap the battery but you need 3 batteries if you don't want to stop for a few hours waiting one to charge.

[@lassebrustad]

​@@C0lon0are you sure it's not one of the chinese brands? we do have a few chinese brands selling EV scooters and "bikes" here in Norway, most of them with batteries easily removed for external charging, none of them seems to be good in any way, as none of the buyers want to keep it for any time, and nobody seems to buy it for 25% reduced price "used" 1 year and 100-500km

[@C0lon0]

@lassebrustad everything is made in China nowadays, but the brand is Brazilian, assembled in Brazil with a "good" quality control, but they are almost bankrupt because EV bikes don't sell.

[@sa4555]

India and I think in Indonesia there are brands doing that but only for scooters and scooters are not real bikes, except for OG Vespas.

[@marqueslittlebits7533]

Wrong

[@jonathanschuler4774]

Yammie pop! I don't think anyone else could have done this breakdown better. That's why I subscribe!

[@Ephem13]

Stuff like a Suron or Talaria are awesome. Allow em to be street legal in all 50, and they would make a great commuter. As for full sized bikes, you hit all the main points I see.

[@tedmarakas2626]

Most building in NYC and other congested downtowns with high risers won't let you bring them or charge them in the building. Therefore, unless the distance is a few miles and less than the battery range owning one of those is a nightmare. Needless to say, no underground garage will allow you to park. So, what do you do with it?

[@Ephem13]

@tedmarakas2626 in a city setting, a Surron Ultra Bee will do about 75 miles. Outside of your very specific problem set, my comment stands.

[@BBhatt-pi5ob]

I have a SurRon. It's cool for around town or a quick trip to the corner store. I got it plated as a moped in CA.

[@DucatiDiaries]

Fully agree with all of this. Too short range, too heavy, too pricey.

[@hcoppegard]

How heavy is too heavy? A Zero SR/F weighs less than a Ducati Multistrada V4.

[@DucatiDiaries]

@@hcoppegard multi v4 is huge. 😀

[@OG_MuttDog]

Remember seeing a group of factory Live wire riders at the Rock store a few years ago. They look great, but when they took off in a pack all the air came out when all you hear is the electrical sound. It was disappointing. And everybody just laughed at them. Haven't seen them since.

[@bennynortheast1328]

7:43 YES! We really need to talk about the environmental impact of manufacturing an EV as well as their lifecycles!

[@fishman241]

It is very important to do this. That said, generally speaking this research is done and you can find it. How it's interpreted is usually going to be based on the political or economical leanings of the people doing the interpreting. If you take a hard look at it, while this argument doesn't work for cars, most motorcycle enthusiasts ride _so very little_ that the EVs actually won't catch up with the gas equivalent. It would be interesting for someone to do a motorcycle specific comparison though. The tire wear and brake wear differences are somewhat different in my experience, but it is important to understand where the break in mileage is. If you ride 1000 miles a year though, you will probably never hit it.

[@KeVIn-pm7pu]

The Impact cant be worse than oil.

[@bennynortheast1328]

@ it’s actually almost as bad. Even without fossil fuels providing the electricity.

[@stanleypotter6238]

If you put an old battery in the trash, and then landfill, there is containment and recovery for its leaching. It doesn't get into the soil or water. They should be disposed of properly of course, but there are systems in place to abatement contamination.

[@richardwarsinske7064]

An electric Grom would work for me but for a full sized motorcycle I'm just not interested.

[@kushagraN]

Yeah. Here is India, where a lot, LOT, of people own scooters(100-125cc) for general utility, there are some decent electric options. Around 4-5kWh battery packs with 5-7yr warranty, better acceleration than 125cc w/ cvt. 100-120km of range & very close in pricing. Essentially perfect daily commuters for cities, if you have a way to charge at home / office. There's even a mid size bike for like $5000 from a decent local startup Ultraviolette (called F77), but still a bit expensive considering the rest of the market.

[@tedmarakas2626]

That's because you want to use it around town...I can see the point owning one somewhat. Personally speaking, they aren't worth the trouble.

[@tedmarakas2626]

@@kushagraN Sounds very cheap. How do they make good quality batteries and safe at this price point? Government subsidy? or simply unsafe LiFe batteries that can explode and burn down half of Bombay in a day.

[@Immortalbear91]

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[@Godstemplle]

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[@tjxwheel7812]

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[@michaellowery928]

Me too

[@AgentJayZ]

Need more thumbs

[@tuxedocat_art]

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[@iowajojo]

It depends on what you use it for, my Zero SRF is a great commuter in LA. And for fun ride the M1000R!

[@jjk9999]

Batteries lose ability to hold charge the more times you recharge them, so if you buy a 2nd hand ev, you might have to replace the battery, which is expensive (at least on cars), so you could be really paying a lot more than you think for a 2nd hand EV.

[@firun2635]

Having a battery blow up and dramatically catch on fire really sucks in a car. But on a bike, with no real shielding from that fire? You're absolutely cooked. I mean, fuck. Seriously.

[@tedmarakas2626]

Especially when the batteries explode. You cannot put the fire out easily.....and the fire is between your legs just under the family jewels.

[@C0lon0]

​@tedmarakas2626 for an eletric car you need around 5m³ of water to put out the fire, for an normal car it is around 1m³.

[@kamenrob8500]

Had 10+ lithium ion and lifepo4 batteries not one has burst into flames or had any faults , talk to real e riders and see what they have to say and cut the fear mongering bullshit because a gas tank and loose connections can burst into flames on a ice bike no different than a lithium battery... Education is key and if as many in the comments have posted it's severely lacking..

[@tedmarakas2626]

@@kamenrob8500 Chemistry and manufacturing quality must go together. There's a reason why the fire departments in major cities have implemented laws concerning EVs and batteries. It is not fear mongering but reality. In life being practical is more important than acting according to feelings. If you are comfortable with the technology and the quality do as you please. Your choice. However, don't discount other people's knowledge and comfort zone. By the way, I use Lithium batteries on many of bikes, EarthX is a respectable company that has been approved by aeronautics , American made, LiPo4 but even then.....I follow their guidelines on charging, use and safety using the recommended chargers, temperature and balancing. Cheers.

[@drakeb6168]

@@kamenrob8500 in all honesty, e bikes are cool. The range and price are deal breakers. Icing on the cake is lack of character. I ride for the mechanical experience. Not to feel like im in a convertable with handle bars.

[@badshoes]

Think they make a lot of sense in the dirtbike world and for kids right now. Bit bias but electric dirtbike for my child has been a game changer.

[@bertsmith5569]

They're great for short commutes or niche sports like Trials and motocross.

[@timandnatd]

The failing of EV's is the government push to replace and force choice. Make a good product and we will buy it and love it because it's fun and makes sense. EV's should be a good option, not a replacement.

[@fdub301]

God forbid the government invest in new technology

[@cujoedaman]

@@fdub301 Yes, invest in good technology that doesn't work. EV's are not the solution to gas engines. We do not have the technology or the know-how to make them sustainable. The idea that EV's being good for the environment is a complete lie. The farming of lithium and the fact that it can't be recycled makes it far more toxic to the environment than car exhaust. You get that energy to charge your car from mostly coal/gas plants, maybe a few nuclear sources. We do not have the infrastructure to mass-charge millions of EV's as we have gas stations for regular cars. Charging a car takes hours, unless you get a fast charge which still takes 30-60mins. The power grid cannot sustain the sheer amount of energy to power the amount of EV's that would replace all gas cars on the road. Replacement batteries cost more than the car is worth, making it so you can't drive it more than a few years before the battery is dead and needs replaced, but why would you spend $60k on a battery for a $50k car? The range of EV's is only a couple hundred miles and that's if you're barely touching the pedal and not always in stop and go traffic. We should have been pushing for more hybirds, but because of activists and lobbyists, they're pushing for a technology that only the rich can afford while they make anything gas illegal, which is 99% of the population. It's not about saving the environment, it's about control.

[@fdub301]

@@cujoedaman 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@YouWhatMate28]

Yes that has been my point its not that i dislike EV vehicles. It is just that i do not think they are ready yet. They have been rushed due to politics pushed on the population and because of that the companies have put the prices really high because they can. The EVs will be good and worth buying in the future but not in this political climate.

[@KeVIn-pm7pu]

​@@cujoedamansorry but your talkingpoints are Out Date. Or were myths even then

[@diwandanajib1941]

Electric sportsbike, naked bike, cruiser, or dirtbike won't sell, I'm agree But i i think it might work on scooters or moped

[@mencibenci]

electric scooters are already huge, they’re super practical too so it tracks

[@user-gm4kv2my4u]

​@@mencibenciI think that shows the issue. Electric bikes dont have a practical use that others dont do better. They cant compete with ice when it comes to longer distance. And when you get to them being an urban commuter - electric scooters are just better. Smaller, cheaper, and easier to use.

[@monmaker]

@@user-gm4kv2my4u So, as someone that has been using escooters for a couple of years, currently ride my P100S 16 miles one way to commute to work, there's a number of limiting factors. The battery can only be so big to fit in the scooter formfactor, I have to use a rechargeable battery generator to top it off while I work. The tire size on escooters makes even minor imperfections on the road dangerous if your not careful. Standing for the entire commute is also extremely exhausting. And riding it in cold weather has a number of issues, but the biggest one specific to escooters is the fact that you don't really have anything to block, or even mitigate, the wind.

[@lonniecross4698]

An electric vehicle making engine noises? That seems like a frivolous waste of energy...

[@oplkfdhgk]

5-15kw on a motor and like 0.05kw on fake sound. So it's not too bad. Still much More efficient that gasoline powered vehicle.

[@lonniecross4698]

@@oplkfdhgk still wasteful. Why consume more than necessary? Be as “green” as possible.

[@TheHuskyK9]

@@lonniecross4698 Because a silent motorcycle is literally a death sentence.

[@lonniecross4698]

@@TheHuskyK9 ha. Don’t give me that “loud bikes” nonsense. I have 30 years and half a million miles on quiet bikes. Living is a death sentence. Stop worrying.

[@oplkfdhgk]

@@lonniecross4698 haha yeah i don't feel like defending that point more because i also think it's stupid. 😀

[@megaquacksalver]

Love my Zero SR/F. Hate from KZbin influencers only makes it stronger. Keep up the good work Yammie!

[@ibewscott69]

Hate is such a strong word that gets thrown around way to much these days. Yammie is not hating your bike, but pointing out the problems with it. He does that with every motorcycle. It is time to have a real discussion, a rational discussion, on facts. Just about everything has pros and cons. Just because someones preference is on the pro or con side does not mean they are hating. I pray that the country can heal from all the divisions and red lines people are making. I hope that one day we can rationally come together to make the best choices for the future.

[@nathanfisher7264]

For me it's all about the DollHairs. I have a short work commute and could see an EV being practical. But for the price of any of the ones that are remotely practical you can just about get into bagger/touring bike kind of money. If all it's good for us relatively short commutes, then it should be priced cheaper than a Grom or a Royal Enfield Hunter. But they're not, and aren't going to be any time soon. My current bike cost me $1500 used. I've got a couple hundred more in repairs and time, but I have a bike that I'd happily ride across the country if my boss would give me the time of work. And I could do it in a fraction of the time of even the highest end electric because refueling only takes a couple of minutes and I can go fast without instantly draining the tank.

[@dahveed284]

100%. Electrification makes sense for some usage. Daily driver cars for example. Local delivery of mail and lightweight packages too. But motorcycles, boats, trucks, motorhomes, etc are still so much better on traditional fuels that EVs simply don't even remotely make any sense for those applications. The performance characteristics of an EV would be great on a bike, but everything else about the experience would suck.

[@kupalisky3553]

Yeah I think we are 15 to 20 years away from EV superbikes that are viable

[@josephdavis823]

As someone working at honda, electric cars are failing too. 85-90% of those wanting an electric vehicle have already bought it.

[@Tele52ful]

I recently did a test drive on a Zero Fx while the dealer was checking my Scout. It was awesome!!! The torque was crazy for that size of a bike. I also went to a parking lot to try some 8-turns: dead easy. You could throw it around like a moped. If my job would be within a 30km range, this would definitely be my choice. Just gas and brakes, ton of torque, no noise, low maintenance. It would never replace my Scout but for that purpose, (commuting within 30km) I think it’s awesome.

[@JoseLgamer05]

TLDR: It's unthinkable to have an EV charge as quickly as pump gas into an ICE vehicle, If you want the long and nerdy version, continue reading. I once ran some quick math to figure out what kind of power would be needed to charge an EV in the time it takes to get gas. For a 40kWh battery, to charge in like 5 min you need to feed it 480kWh, that would demand (in a 400v 3 phase system, the kind used in Europe) around 700amps per phase. Most houses in my country only have a single phase 230v 50Hz supply at their disposal. Also that feed is limited to somewhere from 5 and 45 amps depending on your needs (most have 15 to 30 amps at their disposal here). You can get 3 phase in your home here but it's not that common, and ranges from 10 to 60 amps per phase (230v live to neutral and 400v between phases).

[@jolieriskin4446]

Maybe not at home (unless you have a battery), but telsa v4 chargers are 250kw and the newer ones coming out are 350kw... so its not that unthinkable...

[@kushagraN]

​@@jolieriskin4446yeah that 350kW charger is peak, achievable only under perfect conditions for a fraction of second. Just like phones - that advertise 65 & 100W chargers but most trickle down to 5-10W once battery reaches a certain charge & temperature to maintain battery health. The bike's small battery can only charge at peak for a few seconds and would average arnd 10-20% of the peak. Most homes are only wired upto 5kW load on single phase. You need to request fresh meters & wiring for 3 phase.

[@Drakelett]

It's just a matter of time and technological development. Don't remember the current system involves shipping dead dinosaurs thousands of miles, then piping it or trucking it, then storing it underground, then you as a consumer have to drive to a special building to fill up. Alternatively, electricity is already pretty much everywhere.

[@EvilGav]

Level 3 "ultra fast" and level 4 chargers are up to 900kw and > 900kw respectively (thought the latter might as well not exist at the moment, there are so few). However, cars can get away with that sort of power load, as they have the space for all the electronics needed to step it down to what's needed to charge the battery. Bikes don't have that sort of space, so tend to be limited to the ~44kWh of a level 2 charger at most.

[@EvilGav]

@@Drakelett technological development doesn't trump physics. And in the US most homes cant draw more than 2kw from the 120v supply, so either you need house batteries or a specialist supply.

[@kidlatazul]

I took a test ride once on a Zero. The advantages of electric motorcycles were obvious. For starters, the acceleration is mind-boggling, and I didn't even have it in the most aggressive riding mode. Handling was also excellent, because most of the mass of the bike from the motor and batteries is down low. But the thing I like the most about it was that it was dead quiet. Instead of the drone of the engine, which after a while gets annoying, all I heard was the wind rushing past my helmet and the crickets. It was blissful. I didn’t buy one for reasons that you state: I couldn’t afford it and I need something with longer range. These problems will be overcome and we’ll be the better for it.

[@paz2wheels]

The reason all EV sales tanked last year was because everyone who would have bought one got one and everyone on the fence learnt a valuable lesson in patience and logical thinking.

[@colinnr123]

The Tesla Plaid is a game changer in the car world for acceleration. how long until the 2 wheeled "Plaid" ?

[@raptormonkey253]

batteries could charge in 2 seconds flat, with a range of 10,000km and cost a dime and I would STILL refuse to give up the striple, the feeling and sounds the engine makes is just perfection.

[@cameronbrown8757]

I own a Zero DSR/X, have owned several ICE bikes. Getting ready to take it on the CA BDR next week. It will be an adventure on the charging. Many of your points are valid, but fail to acknowledge the advantages of EV bikes: Being able to focus on bike handling skills instead of clutch work. Being able to enjoy better connection with your surroundings. Lower maintenance. Instant torque. Regen braking. It is definitely a different kind of motorcycling, but not too different than, say bagger vs. sport bike.

[@user-gm4kv2my4u]

So on these advantages. Instant torque. Motorcycles are already extremely quick. You have bikes that can easily wheelie right from under an unskilled. Adding even more torque is probably not the best idea. So I fail to see how thats a boon. Ditto for regen breaking. Thats solution to a problem caused by beimg an ev to begin with. If its about preserving breaks - well thats what engine breaking is for. I'll admit to the shifting issue but even then ‐ dct's are probably going to be common place in the near future.

[@ibewscott69]

You acknowledged the valid points. Is your adventure on the charging worth the environmental impact and child labor? Yeah ICE have some too but with regulation and tech they have brought ICE's emissions considerably down. As far as bikes are concerned, those emissions that are engineered are often undone with exhaust mods. Personally, I will be so glad when this debacle of ev's come to an end. Maybe in the future they can invent a better form of energy and they would be great. For the foreseeable future, no EV'S will be in my life. GAS power all the way. Drill baby drill.

[@cameronbrown8757]

@@ibewscott69 I don't know what debacle you are referring to. And if you prefer gas, go for it. I've had a lot of fun on gas bikes too. Cobalt mining impacts everything with a battery in it, including your phone. Most companies are trying to do it in a more ethical way. We need all energy sources, so yes, drill baby drill, but also: Take a ride on a modern powerful electric vehicle and experience the technical superiority.

[@AST4EVER]

for me range LITERALLY doesn't matter until they provide 100km worth of charge in 5 minutes. I can wait and stretch for 5 mins every 100km. But they don't provide and i don't buy

[@MrEiniweini]

I am still keen for a work commuter electric bike but it kind of needs to fit a real use model. It has to be capable of sustained 65 MPH for one hour of travel and come in under 10K. My home state in Australia is like Texas. 1/2 hour drives to work at highway speed are commonplace.

[@lukehansford6879]

I think with the current market and battery density, the only real place for e-bikes are track bikes. The Stark Varg makes huge sense in a MX setting. Plus, something like a Surron is amazing for mobbing around locally and practising wheelies without drowning your neighbours in 120dB of 4 stroke exhaust noise

[@thelostandlongforgotten.1287]

I feel like that electric motorcycles (or cars for that matter) wont really become totally 100% viable for general use until we find a way to make the batteries last longer, and charge faster. Range anxiety is scary.

[@davidleatherwood6228]

Not only does mining the metals create damage to the environment, those metals are also an extremely finite resource. EV enthusiasts refuse to think about what designers plan to do when those finite resources run out.

[@tomkloster1251]

I think the most overlooked thing is batteries don't produce electricity. They store it. Fossil fuel power plants burning coal charge the batteries. So what's the point. Especially with many power grids already overburdened.

[@fabianmckenna8197]

The charging infrastructure needs a kick up the derriere to catch up with what's required........ Here in UK, a US friend was talked into hiring an electric car for a tour of Scotland and found huge problems with using it. Lack of chargers. Lack of working chargers. Even apps would say they worked only to arrive and find two out four working with a queue. Lack of superchargers. Unfriendly and uncoordinated payment systems, some wanted apps, some credit cards, some bank cards some required signing in and using specific websites, etc. Range anxiety was foremost on her mind and she actually missed a restaurant booking as finding and using chargers took up so much time. Scotland has 5,000 charging points. 1,200,000 electric cars and 450,000 hybrid cars in UK. At the end of July 2024, there were 66,779 electric vehicle charging points across the UK, across 34,570 charging locations. UK banning all new petrol and diesel cars from 2035 so around ten years to fill the place up with charging facilities. My local built up area six miles out from the city centre has only ten charging points in two service stations out of eight service stations. Gonna need a lot more..........

[@danb6497]

Prices are not that big of a problem. You can get Chinese ebikes with H2, 1000 or R1 fairings, top speed of 120-150kmh and range of around 100 km (or 200 if speeds are under 50). Ofc, those are held together by furniture screws, but they cost under 5000 dollars, so...

[@SplitLaneMoto]

Good arguments and summary yammie! But can you also offer any thought an alternative solution?

[@nblebaron]

Picked up a primo 2007 fjr for 6k last year. Couldn't imagine paying 20k for an ev version

[@friedpork_owl]

I really think hybrid will be where it’s at. When kawi updates the software on the ninja 7 hybrid to let the engine charge the battery while riding it will be a grand tour monster. Cheers

[@TheHuskyK9]

There are too many cons that outweigh the pros for EV motobikes. -Range is bad -Maintenance is expensive (only the dealership can fix it) -MSRP is expensive (You can literally get 3 gas-powered bikes for the price of 1 EV bike) -Depreciates faster due to uncertainty of reliability -Dangerous to ride in busy traffic (this one is a personal gripe. Motorcycles are already tough to drive in traffic because people can't hear the motorcycles coming, hence why the engines are so loud and the bikes are in bright colors. EV bikes make ZERO noise, gee I wonder if drivers can hear them coming in their blind spots now...)

[@MCPowerMagnet]

I hear ya. But as far as cheap EV's go, the Ryvid anthem is around 8k, and they have a cheaper model as well.

[@SDSWrath004]

I purchased a 2008 KTM superduke 990r for $2000. I had to put about $100 in parts to fix. Now it's a great bike. There is absolutely no way I could've done that with an electric motorcycle.

[@glenn-g]

Bought my bike new for $9k last year. I average 60+mpg. That's an awful lot of miles I'll have down before I reach the price of an electric. I do long tours so the range and charging times were already no gos for me.

[@bfairfax8772]

I have a bunch of bikes and the one I ride just around town the most is my 98' Ducati M900 Monster it's not the fastest most comfortable or best handling but the sound especially on the downshift, is just intoxicating . The old 2v air cooled Ducati motors make the sound bikes should make at least until you hear the dry clutch at idle (then most people think it's broken LOL). All of that is to say why would I spend Harley money on a bike that I need to trailer to get serviced because it doesn't have the range to make the trip to and from the city 130 miles round trip.

[@carolinayamadawg8706]

i love the sound of my tripple fz09 reving to the moon before quick shifting through gears ..those e-bikes will never replicate that thrill or experience

[@z33tanner]

Great video yam, lots of points that are left out in the mainstream news of EV's.

[@erich.4305]

not real excited about electric motorcycles, but Maeving in England is making some interesting bikes that are not outrageously expensive. They seem promising for a 50-60 mile roundtrip commute.

[@nextgen89]

I was at an EV Tradeshow here in Phoenix AZ, and they had LAND cycles for test drives. Intest rode a LAND District and it was pretty awesome.

[@idstealth]

LAND owner here. This thing is a great commuter bike. It really puts into perspective how inefficient ICE engines are: I go 40 miles on $0.80 worth of electricity :)

[@matthewduong9462]

Hey Yammie, Can you please make a video on motorcycles that comes with cruise control from factory? And what your recommendations are? Thank you!

[@chaitanyashamanewadikar6032]

If this video can't convert a "electric motorcycle guy" then i don't know what will. This was the most comprehensive breakdown .

[@ibewscott69]

People get locked into an idea and cant remove it from their head. This is so strong and challenging to their identity at times, that you could tell them there is a cliff ahead stop now. They would not believe you and would drive over the cliff. It is one of the worst things about humanity. Its like they are programmed and anything that goes against it is bad. The world is in desperate need for rational talk and debate with facts on every topic. Time to set aside preferences and biases to make the world a better place. If we can not achieve this, the world will be doomed.

[@HCortinas]

Internal combustion, accept no substitutes.

[@carltontweedle5724]

I watch a program I think Singapore. Lots of scooters but the batteries can pull out and another put in. The thing is there are banks of charging stations put yours in take the next out. That is great for city riding no good on the open road.

[@clayman0430]

The battery range issue is getting less and less every day and with zero motorcycles selling extra batteries which are the same as strapping on a gas tank to an ICE car. I think the real problem the charging time. The biggest issue is that you can't do self maintenance.

[@RowanMccole]

I think one big exception to this is dirt bikes. Ev dirt bikes like the stark Varg are fantastic

[@jsinclair39]

Electric motorcycles have their place. It's not a good choice as your only bike but if you have room for more than 1 then it's a great addition to the garage. The lack of noise and shifting means you can focus on your ride and not disturb nature while doing it. I had someone in a truck in the next lane ask me if my bike was electric while my visor was down and I heard him perfectly. Also, I'm never roasting chestnuts at a traffic light. Also, I whiz past cops staked out all the time. They can't hear me coming which means they never look up from their phones or computers There's many benefits!

[@jlrutube1312]

I would like an electric motorcycle but there are some conditions. 1. It has to be a second bike. I need a regular bike for my long trips. 2. I have to have a shed with electricity at least 100 yards away from my house to store it. I can't chance my house burning down at night while I'm asleep. 3. I could maybe spend 9 thousand dollars for a new motorcycle. So someone has to give me 6 or 7 thousand more so I can buy an electric one. So I don't see any of this happening.....so .......

[@Gzopete]

I ❤ my Zero FX. It is a toy and nothing else. Driving in the mountains is awesome. Charge it with my Powerboost.

[@HikerDave57]

Battery depreciation on my 500-watt eBike costs me as much per mile as fuel for my Honda NC750X.

[@jefeestolito6952]

Plus even a performance bike gets near 40 MPG, so while an EV truck might appeal economically benficial to my 10 MPG RAM 2500, an EV bike provides no real ecomony over an ICE.

[@cduronm]

Great comparison and analysis, you tackled everything from every perspective…

[@bjarneberg4802]

Why the hate? I love my Sur Ron, for what it does. And I love my Speed Twin 1200 for everything else.

[@Alex-Rocks]

I'm neither a fan of electric motorcycles or cars ! The one thing I feel that can benefit a lot from the switch however would be scooters ! Not these standing ones that get tossed into every pedestrian area but a proper scooter that would normaly have somewhere between 50 - 125 CCs . They are designed for short range and practicality and they don't see any crazy action like a bigger bike would .

[@markmcintosh7095]

My local dealer that sells E motorcycles along with a major American brand says they can't sell them, period.

[@johnjackson2349]

I enjoy the noise when opening it up, in the uk at least i would say 3/4 of all bikes have an aftermarket exhaust on them, cant do that on an electric bike

[@aries_seira]

Great points all! I've looked at EV motorcycles and they're all pretty much jokes or $$$$$ for junk. They really have to up their game if they want to have any real sort of market. The inexpensive ones are not nearly fast enough to be safe around the speed demon vehicles that rule the roads in my area or cost way too much for the amount of bike you're buying. They don't make any sense unless you have more money than sense. I have a used low mileage EV car I got on the cheap to putter around town and commute in. I've even made a 550 mile a day drive for an unexpected vacation in it. You just have to have the right map apps, know your corridors, and do some research for routing. It definitely helps make sure I get up and stretch my legs more often than I would if I was in an ICE car. Unless the battery market changes a lot more than I expect it will, my plan is to drive it into the dirt and harvest the batteries for a home battery bank. I know it won't be worth much at all to sell as a unit at that point BUT you can't buy that amount of battery for the money I paid for the whole vehicle right now. Even if they lose some capacity that is still a lot of battery to go around.

[@sils4493]

The brand “Fly e-bikes” makes some good affordable emotorcycles. I bought a used RZ(basically ninja 300) for 600$ and with 500$ of crazy fb market deals I upgraded it to go 80mph with 100miles of range. 1,100$, some diy, and you can make a fast bike if you want to. Twist and go for now, I’ll get a real bike soon 😉

[@peterclaydon9782]

Tawain has a good system for their commuter/city bikes .. just like swapping the battery in your battery drill.... the battery type has been standardized so most bike use the same removable batterys...

[@PintoMusic79]

the only companies who have done electric bikes well have been surron and talaria, they make some really fun bikes that go around the city and go on dirt

[@paulcockman930]

Yammie, everything you said is right, except the last statement, the one about bacteria, I'm not sure about that one.

[@KPW2137]

TO wrap it up: the main problem is the technology. It develops quickly which means that older models become obsolete, but at the same time the issues of range and charging still remain. We're not there yet for the EV motorcycles to be truly competitive, except perhaps the city commuter sector and that's perhaps. Having written that, I really hope the technology moves forward and we will see great machines in the near future. It's always great to have more options, more variety and more brands to choose from PS One bike I would consider buying is, or rather used to be, Energica Ego +. Great range, a lot of issues addressed, great appeal and quality. And the sound - your neighbors would be excused for believing you've got a TIE fighter. However, Energica as the company has just bit the dust, so here we are.

[@MattCrashh]

@Yammie Noob Video idea, why same motorcycle in USA costs 1,5k less than in Europe. Triumph Speed 400 for reference

[@Foodgeek]

Double in Denmark 🤣🥲

[@lajosruhzek2459]

I am not a motorcyclist, at least not yet. I may purchase one someday. With that in mind I think the biggest draws against EV motorcycles are range and price. A swappable battery would fix or at least improve on the range problem, just tack an extra battery like you would the gas can. You could also just make a more aerodynamic bike -- feet forward designs comes to mind, but that may not appeal to the mass market. The price problem though is a little harder to address. I don't think EV motorcycles are going to become cheaper anytime soon.

[@xsdfl4244]

Electric bike will be very hard to design. Normally the Engine on a bike is structural which helps with frame rigidity by being a mandatory big hunk of metal is a good frame material afterall , the battery wont be structural so the frame on electric bike will be much heavier. The recent example of frame problem has been the electric rally bike that broke in half.

[@garrysimmons111]

I'm no fan of EVs on the road, but could see benefits for some dirt riders, mostly due to no noise to annoy neighbors. A buddy that has a couple Altas says it's like cheating on nasty, snotty roots/rocks/ruts single track. If they can get the battery weight down and make it easy to swap batteries back at the truck, then I think we'll see more of them in the woods.

[@RAF238thCdr84]

You forget how the life (not charge) of the battery deteriorates. You end up with half the capacity half way thru battery life. This is made worse if proper charge/discharge cycles arent followed.

[@hcoppegard]

That is not correct. Tesla S and X (which are the only long range EVs with more than 10 years of data) shows an average detoriation of 12% in 200.000 miles. Most of the detoriation happens during the first 15-20.000 miles.

[@RAF238thCdr84]

@@hcoppegard I dont belive motorcycles will be able to use the same battery tech (for size and weight reasons) that a 4 wheeled vehicle can. From experience in battery operated lawn mowers the last couple years the batteries loose a substantial amount of capacity quickly. These are a lot closer to the size of what goes in a motorcycle than a Tesla.

[@errickkitchin36]

1-Ev takes away that visceral feel that us riders want 2-Every little bit helps to make yourself more noticeable on 2 wheels. I'm not saying that we all need obnoxious exhausts, but taking away 95% of the sound component is a horrible idea 3-$6 gets me 130 miles and I'm in and out of the gas station in less than 5 minutes. Try that with a EV 4-If I crash and am trapped under my bike it sucks. Ya wanna know what sucks more? Crash and have the EV battery catch fire while you're trapped under it. 5-Back to range, I mostly do highway miles on the interstate. So that estimated ev range just dropped even more. 6-This is kind of shallow, but looks. Most ev bikes are flat out ugly when when compared to their ICE counterparts, and most riders do care somewhat about looks. I don't care much about how my car looks, but I want to look back and my bike when I get off of it and think "dam she's a beauty" P.s.-idk if anyone here has seen it, but Ford is stopping EV production due to lack of profit on their end.

[@Foodgeek]

My next car will be an EV, my next bike won't 😊 Dane here 🇩🇰

[@jeffwhite9392]

Rolled me electric MXer into the van a couple of weeks back and was feeling so smug cause unlike me ICE critters no fuelling up etc ; then reality hit , forgot to charge it ... Cost the same to purchase as an equivalent 2 - stroke and wears ya out before the battery expires but as a road bike option , nope .

[@Modikie]

The worst part of an ev motorcycle is the weight. For a car, you can deal with the extra weight. For a motorcycle? You now have a motor which isn't light, plus a battery which is heavy. And in a sportbike, weight is way more important than in a car

[@glennpotter8344]

I would like to have an electric just to go to work and around town stuff for sure. And then have an ICE bike for the weekend fun. I have 2 ICE bikes now and I take a car to work because I know how bad it is on engines to do short trips. (Not getting up to operating temp and recharging the battery enough). I think electric bikes would work in the packed urban setting. This doesn't change the fact of the battery construction or recycling that was brought up in the video of course

[@Re1ardedHoon]

Japan has a good system for their electric scooters. Battery swaping stations. The main issue is you need a uniform battery across manufacturers.

[@Fulmynato]

electric scooters makes more sense, because they are mainly intended to be used in the city

[@Re1ardedHoon]

@Fulmynato could pretty easily put a swapping station at a gas station. Easier than you could put in ev charging stations at least. It's a feasible way to power ev motorcycles and gets rid of the downside of all evs and that's charge times.

[@Fulmynato]

@@Re1ardedHoon it can only work if all manufacturers agree on a single type of battery to be used on all their models.

[@Re1ardedHoon]

@@Fulmynato that is what I said in the first comment

[@Atrip111]

Infrastructure is the problem. Need more chargers. Depending on your use case 70 miles is plenty. Still under stating it though. They can go further than that some can. As you said most ice bikes go 150-200. Not much more. Cost is very high though. I had a used Zero. Had no issue w range, but something didnt feel right mesh well with me on front end. So i got the Trk. Second guessing taking second look at kymco ak 550. But i dig this bike.

[@tedmarakas2626]

Ask Kamala to build them. But you will have to wait a few decades.

[@dylanpierce_]

When battery technology becomes smaller, lighter, & increases range, that's when they'll be viable. Charging is another complete issue all together but that's the core of what'll increase e-moto value.

[@GottHoldNicetomeet]

Quite the rant. Tho I would consider an EV Motorcycle as a secondary as i need a motorcycle for daily commuting to work and back. Right now i just have a mt09 so i can make distance and can have fun, basically all in one. But im not against the idea to have like idk. an electric supermoto for the commute and another one you can do either fun stuff with like stunts or offroad or both or track days, so if you crash it, you do not jeopardize your job. I would consider going on track, or learning a bit of stunts but im too afraid i do too much harm to the vehicle i need for my job, thus i dont. But yeah with an EV filling that gap i could imagine it

[@Krom1hell]

I've tried very nice electric motorcycles......would love them to make sound as a jet engine from a speaker at least..... I'm living in Europe, where driving to a destination is silly close compared to USA, and we can't manage the range..... And from a standpoint of range, I'd rather buy a 155cc that goes 1000km with 2000E and look at the leafs than buy a 20000E EV and ride 130km then wait a quarter of a day to ride another 130 km.... I mean, you can get a S1000 XR or a 1250 GS or GSA at 20000E .....brand new, and a Hayabusa is cheaper .......just to put things into perspective.....

[@naughtyskweet6]

EVs need standardized batteries like ice has all the same gas. Then they need battery stations, where you swap your batteries for fully charged batteries in minutes. Which means they need easy access in and out. Should be able to change a battery in a few minutes

[@25anomaly]

I have an electric motorcycle and I’m 💯 the person he describes as the user (loft apartment a few miles away from organic food store and work labs with lvl 2 charge in mix user space😭) Having said that I’m debating getting a mid sized ice for going out of the city and I disagree with his point on not being able to work on your own electric bike, a lot of people work on their own.

[@caseyjones5145]

Yam coming in hot with the facts on this one. Flaming both sides of the political spectrum & calling out company green washing. I'm proud of you sir

[@S1Z3M]

Battery tech needs to come a long way before E-bikes will become a viable alternative for most. They could also be programmed to have pretend power ranges, which would be interesting as far as the mastery aspect goes.

[@symply_Sym]

As someone who was very interested in EVs for mostly the environmental factor, this summarizes pretty well for me why I still won't look into them as of now. Especially the money and greenwashing are big issues for me. This stuff needs to get both more affordable as well as better, actually sustainable tech that's not based on exploiting whole ass countries.

[@BaldRavenHaired]

I agree with ya but there are few important reasons why ev makes more sense to a whole lotta people 1) Ev bikes may not be sound like a great ideal as enthusiast ,but for commuters esp in developing countries its a boon . Electricity is still cheaper than gas by a huge margin and low to nil maintenance just adds to the perks ! Electric bikes tbh is meh buy electric scooters are hella fun , u get more storage and its faster than gas counterparts which all makes it the perfect city vehicles ! 2 ) Range anxiety can a easy fix with unified battery swapping system . Which not only is faster negates the the battery life issues for the owners . 3 ) Ev and ev battery tech is comparatively much newer tech and give 10-15 years to mature . Currently we have solid state battries which are more energy dense and and there are new battery design doesn't require rare earth metals ! 4)Evs in america are just highly over complicated capitalised bullshit. Just because uses ev power train doesn't mean it should have a fucking tablet for controls with wifi ,netflix and a playstation! And pitifully this also the case now with ice cars as well . Companies just putting gimmicky non repairable garbage as features isn't an ev only issue ! . 5) Evs will get easy to repair as the tech gey more common ! But still ,say u dont see even an enthusiast messing around a Ducati v4 do ya ? 2 stroke hella ya but 4 strokes especially with multi cylinders nahh . Somethings are just too complicated for end users to thinkle with . 6 ) Evs will get more character as the tech matures. The first ice bikes where no fun and all looked the same for good 30 years ! Waiting untill they fit in denser batteries that with superconductors that can be equivalent to forced induction or multu geared bikes , motor tuning by increasing base voltage ! Or heck different presets for different ridding styles just like a ecu tune or riding modes . And evs are way cheaper in other side of world , check out ola or ultraviolette and what they are doing For the price tag !

[@dansepello1101]

I would still like one. But as a 3rd or 4th bike.

[@HansChucrute88]

If the bike had 120 to 140 miles less than 2 hour until 80% and cost max 10k I would by one. The thing is idf it will happened still we have some breakthrough in battery energy density and production.

[@magicalkorok]

I like the idea of ev motorcycles, but I can't let go of my Dino powered engine.

[@romanbednar5917]

I'm afraid that in the end there will definitely be demand in markets that are large in volume or still growing. The two biggest motorcycle markets have to buy and import oil but they can generate their own electricity, it was never just about emissions... The US and Europe may be exclusive markets but they are relatively small and stagnant compared to Asia, and let's not forget Africa which has the potential to grow...

[@AndrewWilsonOz]

Really, for now, there is a place for both types of bikes. Cost and range, due to battery tech to production lagging, is still an issue. Once that is done, and prices drop, then electric bikes look more appealing. I would use both.

[@nitrousninja882]

Kawasaki has the right idea with their hybrid Z7 and Ninja 7. Electric and I.C.E. is the way to go.