Yankum Ropes, DO NOT USE THEM

Since our original video was removed for copyright issues from Casey
We keep getting hundreds of messages and comments daily about a Short video from march, and those people blasting us saying post a video or shut up. So here is a video showing some details with our experience with yankum and their lies repeatedly
along with Casey and his smoke and mirrors
#KZbin
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#offroadrecovery
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#factor55

[@evanburroughs9329]

Do the same set up with what you consider to be the proper gear and show the load cell readings so that we can see the difference, Thank you!

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

We did on the original test video Naturally it got flagged for hate speach as I suspect this one will too shortly

[@brucescott-hf4xd]

@@OffRoadRecoveryLLC what recommended gear did you test on the original video?

[@spectrixx]

@@brucescott-hf4xd in the original Video he demonstrated with both the offset rings and with snatch blocks. The 4-1 using snatch blocks gave 3600 lbs more pulling weight and didn't damage the winch line.

[@woody4u247]

After doing Towing & recovery for 37 years, i kept trying to explain to fellow operators that the numbers they kept pushing on those rings were wrong & there was significantly more frictional resistance using those vs a real snatch block... as a professional, you dont cut corners on equipment when you're hired to do a safety critical job. Same way i kept trying to explain that even on a light duty tow truck with an average 8k-10k winch... they should be using a *Minimum 4t block. *even though that is actually still underrated if it's used for more thann a directional change. They argue the winch will stall @ rated capacity... will it? Either way, if the block is used for mechanical advantage multiplier... the head of the snatch block must be able to withstand the entire load from BOTH LEGS OF THE PULL... not the divided load on each leg. A quality brand snatch block usually has a 4:1 safety rating... but that doesn't mean it should be used in your calculations. The diameter of the sheave is also important on steel cable winch lines.. too small a pully sheave will bend the cable around too tight of an arch & damage it. Its not just a heavier duty bearing...its a larger sheave diameter to protect the cable/wire rope. Thanks for proving you can't just take advertising claims at their word... also.... equipment ratings are when the products are new & in perfect condition.. they deteriorate over time, exposure & use & neglect... excellent video... keep the educational lessons coming...

[@miked19831988]

The winch rating is straight line pull no pullys correct? To me once start adding pully's to the equation you exceed the winch rating, hence asking for failure at some point in the rigging.

[@PRBB25]

You talk a lot. 😂

[@deadbrother5355]

​@@miked19831988adding pulleys multiplies force, not load. Winch ratings are load ratings. You use a pulley to get more pull with the same amount of force. So as long as you only use the winch as a winch ,and not an anchor for the tackle you should be fine.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

@@miked19831988 the winch rating is at the very last wrap where the drum/rope size is the smallest diameter at max voltage and amperage at a stall Once you start adding line into the drum it’s starts to decrease fairly quickly The more rope on the winch the faster it will pull in but pull less weight Adding pulleys into the system decreases line tension Putting less actual weight on the line

[@bobblack3870]

@@miked19831988 - adding pulleys has no impact on the winch itself, or the winch line. As an example to your question, suppose you have two pickup trucks facing away from each other - tailgate-to-tailgate with 10 feet between their rear bumpers. If you attach 3 pulleys to each bumper (total = 6) then thread a rope through the pulleys in a zig-zag pattern between the trucks, repeatedly, you will end up with several (7 to be exact) rope lines between the two trucks. If you stand in the bed of one truck and pretend you are a winch, and pull 100 pounds on the end of the line, the 100 pounds of tension exists on all 7 lines. This creates a force of 700 pounds that is pulling the two trucks together, even though you, the winch, is only pulling 100. You are not exposed to 700 pounds of force.

[@jakebruenderman2481]

I'm a big fan of project farm test videos. He has multiple tests per item. Very informative. I trust his results over all other claims. I'd be curious on how he tests the shackles and rings

[@philip4x4guy]

So everyone with a dog in the fight needs to get together at one location and have Judge Todd from @projectfarm oversee the tests and settle this once and for all! I'm sick of the drama and everybody makes a convincing video

[@surfstarcc1]

Todd would be able to once and for all put all this to rest. 🤣

[@kennethbolton951]

He did do a video, Bubba came out on top.

[@jakebruenderman2481]

@@kennethbolton951 I saw the rope test but I did not see a ring test. Does it show it's safe uses and breaking point?

[@treebrother]

I've been in the Tree Service Industry for the last 20 years. We regularly use Blocks, Rings, Friction lowering devices, varying size ropes, etc. I haven't looked into it for quite a while but there's a lot of great data, tests, reviews on the different types of ropes, blocks, slings, and so on. If I was to do rigging outside of Tree Work I would still feel more comfortable cross using the same gear I use at work rather than the company above. Like Sampson, Yale cordage, Teufelberger, Sterling. They have a full selection of different braids, Sizes, Static, Dynamic, Strands, Materials. Different sizes of Dyneema. All the blocks are regularly used daily in the industry absorbing sometimes up to an 800 pound log falling at freefall speed in able to slow it down from crashing to the lawn or potentially a structure. I'll regularly get my ropes and rigging gear through Sherrill Tree, Tree Stuff, US Rigging, WesSpur, Buckingham. You may pay a premium but at least you know it used daily, Regulated, and companies stand behind their product.

[@stephenlewis8143]

You guys do a good and thorough job, I compliment you. I work for no one & push no products. Three years ago (along with a snatch block) I got a Factor 55 'ring' & have used it in practice and in the field, many times. It's used with the winch line only and if (needed) a rope can be tied to the winch line in a 2/1 set up and the rope would run 'around it'. Casey L, months ago showed the slightly oval (Yankum) ring and had the line (rope) go around it and through it. I don't support the (through it) idea; for a small and light load it might work, but it puts tremendous friction and tension on a rope, under pressure. Both Matt in Hurricane and Rory Irish in Moab (Trail Mater) use the rings in recovery. I've seen Rory use it if he wants a 2/1 set up or a side winch pull off a tree or rock, & he uses the ring with a soft shackle holding it. It's a quick and easy set up & efficiently works. I don't have data on the pull loads of ring vs. a traditional heavier snatch block. Anyway, thanks for your video and information. Beneficial.

[@anan0moose]

If their claimed friction loss is about 8%, and you have it wrapped at three places then the estimated total friction should be 24%. While it is still less than what you measured, It also isn't as great of a difference as you claim.

[@RealJeep]

24% of 10,000 pounds is 2,400 pounds. 8% of 10,000 lbs is 800 lbs. That's a huge difference.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

No, let me try and explain From winch you can have 10,000-30% around the ring now the line leaving the ring is 7,000 Now you go back to another ring 7000-30% 4900 leaving the second ring and goes back to the first ring 4900-30% 3430 You see how fast you loose power

[@canuckcars]

This is what i was thinking, isnt it friction loss per contact w the ring?? So 8% per contact point??? In that case the numbers arent too far off,

[@archeryhunter86-]

I think what anon0moose is trying to say is they claim an 8% loss per friction point, since there is 3 friction points their expected result would be a 24% loss or 14154lbs pulled instead of what you got at 12348. What was demonstrated in this video comes out to a 34% loss or 8.5% per line, not too far off from their updated claims. The 34% can be calculated either by using the ratio that this system resulted in vs a zero loss sysyem (2.66/4). Or by calculating how much was pulled in total vs what a zero loss would have pulled in theory (12348 / (4×4656). Either way using a normal pulley would have much less loss and not tear up your rope.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

@@archeryhunter86- that’s incorrect We have shown a math to be per contact point not 8% multiplied per point

[@tomlam3680]

I plan to buy a kinetic recovery rope, between Bubba and Factor 55, which one do you recommend? Which is your pick. Thank you

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Bubba rope performs better We liked factor55 because they are also very good and more items to offer that we likes Like winch hooks Recovery rings Fairleads Load distribution plates Splicing tools Ect Where bubba rope has good ropes and soft shackles and that’s about it

[@tomlam3680]

@@OffRoadRecoveryLLC thank you

[@kevbev1524]

No matter what the coating is, It'll have friction, use a regular pulley and everything will be fine, Ropes will need to be replaced after a year or two of jobs, cables up to 5 years depending on usage and abuse of usage in my estimated opinion.

[@coffeeandlifting]

Common sense should tell you that pulling a rope through a fixed hole under thousands of pounds of force will generate an enormous amount of heat. I'm surprised the synthetic line doesn't completely melt while doing this. At the very least, the heat is lowering the breaking strength.

[@Cobian88]

Thanks for this. What brands do you recommend? Just for tow strap, kinetic and soft shackles?

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Factor55 Bubba Rope Monster Rigging (not monster Offroad) All American made all great products

[@anderhutcheson9638]

I have been mud bogging in central FL for 50 years, with many kinds of machines . I have had to put on my scuba gear to go to the bottom of a lake to hook up the cable!!! I don't mud bog any more, but I sure enjoy watching your videos! I have learned more in two weeks from watching them, than the 50 years of driving in places I should not be. You certainly make the best recovery videos on the internet !!!

[@bhshakari]

Thank you for making this video. What ropes do you reccomend?

[@dl3553]

What type of straps do you use? Have you ever had an accident from breakage of either the tow strap or a shackle coming loose? You use the cable that comes with the winch, right? Or do you replace it with a synthetic rope? Do you use a kinetic rope at all? I know I have a lot of questions but I'm trying to learn what and how for the best way for me to get my self unstuck when I go camping. Because I go alone, remote, & off tower service, Ha-ha! I'm not very strong either, to much estrogen. Thank you very much for your demonstrations.

[@woodyholland9865]

was in the fiber optic cable business in the 1970's and 80's. There were minimum bending radius for the cable. This is the same thing. If you bend it to sharply you ruin the product. You are correct. A larger bending radius is kinder to the produvt.

[@farmercraig567]

Just because the manufacturer says it's the same does NOT make it the same.👎

[@SGTMinguez]

Is that a wireless handheld load meter? Where can i get one? Thanks for this video, been looking for a comparison video of pulleys vs "wheels" I i watched years ago and found this one. Nice work!

[@nathanielsouza312]

What recovery ropes/equipment do you recommend ?

[@PurEviLBanditt]

I like your scientific approach vs their "trust us, we know what we're doing" marketing. They themselves should be the ones putting out these kinds of videos not someone having to correct them.

[@RealJeep]

"They" won't do that because they're getting free promo products from the companies in return for positive feedback on their videos.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

@@RealJeep they do typically get 30% commission as well I know when I rejected yankums sponsorship offer it was 30% at the time

[@stevenpederson1645]

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. The heat generated by the friction of the line is spread out over the distance of the line running through the ring. The heat from the ring rotating on the soft shackle stays on that short section of soft shackle.

[@tylermiller9025]

My only question is. Is this a product issue. Or is it an operator issue who doesn’t understand physics and can’t tell what destroys the rope

[@user-gc5rp9ly6t]

Great video. I was about to get a Yankum but decided to research. Can/will you recommend a good kinetic recovery rope? I have a Ram 3500 diesel long bed. I do not tow or recover professionally but live in Colorado and also like to get into the mountains and sand dunes. So IF it get’s used it will be rarely but I like the good RIGHT stuff.

[@gallagher68]

I would add into the mix that these snatch rings and soft shackles have their place. For example the occaisional hobby use, but I would not reccomend them for sport or provessional recovery use. I keep a kinetic recovery rope, a few slings & shackles and a block (for directional change) in my on the road SUV, just like I keep basic tools and HD booster box/cables. 99 out of 100 times, I have used them to help others, but I am prepared to self rescue. Thanks to your videos, people can know the facts/limitations and at least have proper expectations.

[@gallagher68]

@@leglamps you CAN use snatch rings, but you sure as hell don't rig them the way it is in the video plus you use a sleeved soft shackle to save the wear on it while looping the running line around the snatch ring the way it is supposed to be run.

[@seanseoltoir]

Just makes me more convinced to stick with my wire rope winch, steel snatch blocks, and HYDRAULIC winch (100% duty cycle)...

[@richardbadish6990]

Youd think theyd make a ring. That has a bearing/pulley for the outside diameter of the pulley. And have your soft shackle through the center. Id rather sacrifice a soft shackle then my winch line. But if its a frictionless bearing on the OD. The ring should not spin/rub the shackle anyway. Am i missing something here? Has a product like im soeaking of already been made? If so. Why is it not the recommended choice over these friction rings? Just curious...

[@JamesFisherfrilleddragons]

Isn't that a snatch block?

[@Ridesaway24]

Are these set up instead of a traditional pulley? What would be the advantage vs a pulley outside of moving parts?

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

They claimed these replaced traditional pulley blocks and are safer because their aluminum instead of steel We disagree

[@iffykidmn8170]

weight and corrosion resistance.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

@@iffykidmn8170 except these particular ones Are massive so kinda deleted the weight saving part

[@RNP69]

@@iffykidmn8170 aluminum corrodes too !

[@davidroads419]

I actively look through marketing hype, I think it's safer and doing so saves a bunch of money.

[@pranays]

Great video. This is my advice to new people to 4x4ing, in every town there is a local tow truck company, trucking companies or port, find out who their local suppliers are and by that stuff. It will be local so easy to replace, it will be commercial use rated product and follow higher safety standards and usually much cheaper than boutique 4x4 companies. Also don't be scared of metal shackles and hooks just learn how to use them correctly and never use a tow ball or hitch to winch or snatch.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

There is a huge myth in the 4x4 industry That metal flys when a winch cable or rope fails It’s a lie it’s a sales tactic Nothing flys except your winch rope or cable when it breaks The metal shackles and metal snatch blocks are hooked or attached to a vehicle or attachment point Only way those are flying is if the attachment point breaks or the metal shackles break

[@Airplanefish]

Is that grey stuff coming off the rope and grey stuff on the donut just teflon coating? Or is it actually strands or fiber of the rope? It appears that its a coating that was used on the rope and not actually the fibers themselves?

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Actual fibers

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

We purchased a thermal imaging camera and will be repeating these test under thermal imaging It will show the heat build up during the pull with exact temps

[@cdayejr]

Can I ask what winch rope do you use and the rating?

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Warn spydura 18k mts

[@sgtrhyno]

Love your show. 26years Army H8. I watch mostly because I want to see this new technology and what it can do. I'm stuck in the past using my steel cables and block/tackle. Heavy but it still works. Keep up the good work, and if your ever near Hilliard and need a hand drop me a line!

[@messianichebrewshawnkawcak1550]

I would trust traditional block and tackle with wire rope/cable over someone’s data that is not load proven and tested. Synthetic is good for certain things, and safer if it breaks, but steel cable/wire rope is tried and true.

[@savagenomore]

nothing new about any of this, I was using stable braid ropes 35 years ago with blocks to pull stuck machinery out on the utility right of ways..

[@threeriversforge1997]

I know how you feel! The new fangled stuff seems nice, and I'd like to think the modern materials will get the job done, but I always fall back to what our ancestors have done for the last thousand years. Arborists use those rings a lot, but they're also dealing with relatively light loads. In that field, you see them using pulleys as much as they use the rings, and they always talk about the friction loss even in the best modern pulleys with best modern bearings and teflon coatings.

[@chadbrooker3147]

I think your nitpicking it. And Casey's video he says that white rope don't have the uv protection on the rope plus if push the ropes together it goes back to normal

[@crashedking1931]

So a different rope or block or both what's the fix I have 12k with steel cable in the rear. I have electric in the front with synthetic. What should I do for the rear keep it steel or??

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

A standard spinning pulling block is the best for both steel and synthetic

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Steel last longer and breaks less often But rat nests easier on the winch and likes sto stab your hands from broken wires sticking out While synthetic is easier to handle and dosnt cut your hand The sun kills them and they break more often

[@JohnFL]

Hi Matt, as a Florida Man myself I'm glad KZbin recommended your channel. I'm a big fan of Matt's Off Road but I respect your scientific and investigative approach. It's got to be real frustrating when companies switch up their stories like this. I believe that while Matt W strives for functionality, he's willing to make concessions for sponsors like Yankum and promote their products even when they aren't the best. In fact, before he was popular enough to get sponsors, he was always using Bubba and other brands of kinetic rope that did the job just as well. A lot of his fans did question his use of this ring when he was using it on a recovery too. I hope you can respect that I still intend to support Matt's Off Road through watching his channel, which I do recognize supports Yankum as well. But I value it for entertainment purposes and the humility/honesty to admit mistakes are made. For example, when Yankum soft shackles fail (which they have done!) they are shown breaking and not edited out. While all the companies involved may not be trustworthy, I believe Matt W's content is an example to strive for and is some of the best on KZbin. Bottom line is, be yourself. Sponsorships aren't bad but, if you don't think you can trust the brand, your channel is good enough without it. Keep up the good work and Merry Christmas!

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Thank you, and we hope you and your family have a great Christmas as well

[@peteniemela9900]

Thanks for the testing. When I build my setup. I’ll be using snatch blocks. Those rings just look like another gimmick

[@joseph-mariopelerin7028]

it's a friction ring... yankum changed the colors but its still a friction ring... i don't even understand why there's an argument about it... we use these to slow down falling trees, when the weight first hit the ring, you can actually see it losing at least 40% of it's go... when winching let's say you lose 10% every time you loop, that's huge! might as well loop it around a tree! and i really don't know what happened to the good trustworthy snatch block... maybe they don't want to use them because their dad was...

[@nilz6432]

Out of interest, does the Pullin force increase when you stop winching? Because there should be some "creeping" of the rope on the friction surfaces. As you stopped the video, we cant tell if numbers climbed after stopping to winch. In a Static situation, friction losses should not matter....

[@d.collier_8280]

So who do you recommend using instead?

[@dl3553]

My Question also.

[@cswilliams29]

@@dl3553 Ya'll should read the comments before commenting...

[@IMGreen-xr9ex]

would that mean a roller fairlead would be better suited for a synthetic winch line than the low profile fairleads that everyone is running with no rollers?

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Yes We are going to test a new one designed for synthetic Google “hawse pro” it’s a low profile roller

[@iffykidmn8170]

@@OffRoadRecoveryLLC why not just use a regular profile roller which would have a larger radius bend? new not something that has already been marred using wire rope.

[@troywood7170]

Keep it up. Your 100% right. Never used the exact product but have use'd rope of the same make up. It Melts with friction or enough strech because of heat

[@damonr2233]

Of course there is friction loss! Regular snatch blocks, even when clean and properly greased have friction loss. Friction=heat !

[@TwinShards]

Ironically a big bearing with a 3D print casing with the same outside design would do a better job without damaging the rope.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

A hard shackle actually performed better by almost 10% 🤣

[@aaronwilcox6417]

I worked in underground mines using cable tuggers and slushers for excavation and also worked hooking logs in PNW. This soft shackle and synthetic rope isnt made for high use or friction use. Cable is king as are heavy rated D-rings. The large diameter recoil yank ropes for recovering stuck passenger vehicles are good but synthetic cable gets dirty easy and wears out qyuckly. Its best to get quality cable thsts oversized and heavy d-ring shackles. Its what us used in logging, mining, and real rigging.

[@chawesspe3]

Why am I not seeing more videos of these failures? I have not seen these types of failures in other videos. I understand the increase in resistance, but is it enough to cause the damage? Have you been in contact with Yankum Ropes? Seems to me they should be aware. If it fails that badly and quickly I would expect there to be alot of backlash and angry customers. If there are other people with same kind of failures please post videos. Thanks, Charles

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Yes we have been in contact with Alan He said any questions about this should be directed to Casey Ladelle Then you go ask Casey he gets mad 😡 And says he’s a movie maker not a professional So good luck Since this video they have stopped all promotions of this ring and went back to promoting the ropes

[@chawesspe3]

@@OffRoadRecoveryLLC Thanks for the response. I went over to the Yankum website and they show the off set ring still being used the way you say and show causing damage. Why would they still sell a product that would cause damage and risk safety? You brought up Casey, so I went over and watched his video and did not see the damage you have demonstrated in you video. How do you think he is faking his video to show no damage? Thank you, Charles

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

@@chawesspe3 it’s very easy to hide stuff for camera sake Especially when the person who made the ring is your best friend I recommend doing your own research and make an educated decision on them before just purchasing them We have contacted Samson ropes Cortland Holloway Houston Aviant Yale cordage JM rigging Certified Slings These are manufacturers that make the winch lines Zero of them approve the use of dyneema rope for any stationary device due to the low heat range of dyneema rope One company said you can do it in an emergency but would require a deduction of rating of 50%

[@Rangerfan41]

Better be 100% certain when you say stuff like that. If you are not 100% correct, you just violated the law and he can come and get you in the legal system. I doubt highly that you are 100% correct. You really should delete this post, and be smarter, you don't need to go after a person, you can show the info and not mention names and just do a review. @@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

[@neilfromclearwaterfl81]

Old School here too. I use to run the old 60's Power Wagons with the Big Spool PTO Winches loaded with 3/4 inch wire rope and can't bring myself to trust the plastic rope for extremely critical stuff either. With the hook your talking over $1,000 to respool those winches with new wire rope today however you do end up with a true 16,560 lb working load and a minimum of 58,800 lbs break strength. Working load has always been Min Break Strength divided by 3.55. Synthetic Rope is fine for your running rigging on a sail boat or to lash your tent but wire is needed for critical applications. Yes Dynema is used in racing to save weight but its a compromise that requires more rigorous and frequent inspection and replacement. Someone gave me an new 8 ton synthetic rope (was about as thick as your wrist) which I tried as an anchor for the truck instead of logging chain and on the first difficult stump pull (cutters didn't listen and cropped one closer to the ground than specified) it shredded like wet spaghetti and the winch wasn't straining at all on a single pull. Winch was 8 ton single/16 ton double pull. I saved that synthetic rope to show people who insisted I was too old fashioned and needed to go with plastic rope, why I wouldn't. We did use some rope as a messenger line to pull the winch cables out over the longer distances. The PTO winch powered by a 383 or 440 would stall theoretically well past the limits of the W200 logging truck it was mounted on. Never saw it stall even when it appeared like it was starting to tear things apart. Pushing things to the Safety Rating means you no longer have any Safety Margins left for wear, tear or human errors. Best!

[@boomupengineering]

In cranes and rigging it is difficult to get anyone to use wire rope any longer, at least in the bigger diameters. Anything bigger than 3/4" and the riggers don't know how to handle it any longer. I'm talking about slings and things. Synthetic rope is gaining popularity, but it has to be the high-end Dyneema or Spectra varieties. These are the 12-strand ropes (smaller diameters) which are stronger than EIPS wire rope for the same diameter. They are tough but I would never buy synthetic rope slings without a protective jacket - something to keep the dirt and rocks out. I bought at least five ø1-1/4" x 30' 2-leg bridles for a project in 2018 and I heard they were still in use. The slings were 1-1/4" Plasma 12 which is Cortland's 12-strand Dyneema rope. They had tight braided polyester jackets to completely cover the sling except where thick urethane coated sleeves protected the eyes. One eye attached directly to an alloy master link and the other went direct to a hook eye. No steel thimbles like you have with wire rope. Surprisingly enough they held up to regular use on a construction site. ø1-1/4" 12-strand Dyneema rope is good for 31,000# @ 5:1 safety factor. Had a bridle for each crane

[@pranays]

Know it alls 🤦🏾‍♂️ The laws of physics don't change because you put yankum or any brand on the rope. Of course that amount of friction is going to damage synthetic rope.

[@aarondhermanson]

Can you do this test on all the other recovery products? I was looking at yankum products, but now I'm kinda worried about other brands too now. Am I better off just using a recovery strap I got at the home improvement store like I have been for years?

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Yes we actually purchased 5 different brands to show the loss and heat of them all. But then Ropers pepper picked up the test He does a better job showing numbers so I’ll put a link for his channel Keep an eye out for the yankum video on his channel youtube.com/@L2SFBC?si=8WLSTMrTT2WZKnO6

[@aarondhermanson]

@offroadrecoveryFL awesome, thank you. I will check out his channel. Also, does the heat still matter in colder weather? Does it heat up as much say when it's like 0F with windchill of -30, compared to 70F?

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

@@aarondhermanson during the summer when it close to 100° out here We can’t use any rings more then like 3 feet During the winter 🥶 we can used them for half a pull at a time before they are too hot So we just use pulley blocks They build no heat and have the best performance

[@UnkyJofus]

No joke, I'm so glad I found this before ordering new recovery gear. My old strap is too worn and sun damaged to safely use. I'm going with Rhino for my kinetic rope and soft shackles. Now to find winch line.

[@gallagher68]

I 100% agreee that standards are not subjective to random changes. In the lifting/hoisting world we are not allowed to rig with straps/blocks/spreaders, etc that does not have the the WLL & safety factor clearly labeled on the item. People who have never witnessed the explosive forces involved in a failure do not have a clue the damage that can occur. As my dad used to say, you cannot just put another quarter in and start over.

[@beyondmiddleagedman7240]

Don't know how you ended up getting recommended on my feed. But you show what I suspected the first time I saw those videos on the rings. I'm too old to be swayed by the new and shiny without real lab testing. I carry only lift rated blocks, shackles, hooks and wire rope in my truck. I know what they are certified and rated for. I know how to maintain them. I know how to do the math when rigging. I cringe at most of what I see online. It is worse what I see in the desert around here. Most people have not the slightest idea of the forces and energies they are dealing with.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

We have argued back and fourth about the testing They said it was lab testing and they could not break it They were trying to pull it apart They did no friction lab test Casey was their testing

[@paulkaufman4901]

This looks a lot like a pissing contest between 2 different recovery equipment companies. I see Factor55 all over your equipment, including the jeep and Casey is all about Yankum stuff. I own stuff from both companies because I like quality and made in USA products. At least Casey doesn't slam Factor55 stuff (other than Warn winches). You don't need to run their stuff down to build Factor55 stuff up.

[@jbandit2044]

Did you uh watch or learn anything from the video ? If yankum is up front about the product that’s one thing but it came out with a bad product and is trying to hide it

[@paulkaufman4901]

Yes, I did watch the video. I also listened pretty carefully to what you said. I'm not interested in starting a debate. I really just wanted to express my disappointment in the very biased presentation. I believe that you could do much better by presenting your favored product well without slamming another. I don't think anyone would argue against your favored product because it too is made in USA and of very high quality.@@jbandit2044

[@karmafarbus160]

Now do Haus Fairlead , rollers and pulleys forever

[@willyw68]

😂😂😂 definitely buying one now

[@fpnbrian]

I bet if you look at some of the marine / sailing low friction rings from companies like Antal or Harken you'll see a bit less friction in the system, simply because they look like they have better low friction coatings on the rings.

[@nicktorea4017]

Rolling friction is always going to be significantly better than sliding friction

[@erikkekkonen2941]

Thank you for the heads up !!!

[@robertyouens7764]

**"Don't Use Factor 55 Recovery Rings*** Robert Pepper's test demonstrates how much efficiency loss the Factor 55 rotating recovery ring had as compared to the Yankum sliding recovery ring. Size matters... Factor 55's rotating recovery ring diameter at line return is tiny as compared to almost every brand including the dime store variety. In the 2 to 1 test there was only 2 percent difference between the Yankum and Factor 55. In the 3 to 1 test they performed exactly the same. That's damn sad when you compare the Factor 55 Rotating Recovery Ring to the Saber Rotating Recovery Ring performing within 1 or 2 percent of standard Steel Snatch Blocks with bearings. Now when we are talking about convenience on 2 and 3 to 1 pulls the Yankum wins hand down with the ability to slide extensions through the ring dramatically speeding up recovery ring recoveries.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Funny you say wins hands down 🤣 When in Roberts video clearly states it’s the lowest performing ring in all test Do a 3-1 with sabers ring or a snatch block Out performs yankums 4-1 Needing less line and less parts of line to have a greater pulling power Would win hands down Trying to say yankums wins hands down because you need 2 extra parts of line and extensions to reach them extra 2 parts of line is just peer and utter nonsense

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Now we will agree on the don’t use f55 rings Because we don’t use them One huge advantage of f55 rings saber rings and Amazon junk tho Is they don’t ruin your winch line So every ring other then yankums wins hands down

[@bigrollinghome2091]

try using a FLIR to see the temperatures on/around the rope near the shackle ring

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Thermal cam will be here tomorrow

[@bigrollinghome2091]

@@OffRoadRecoveryLLC fantastic! gives instant visual ... interesting to see the results!!

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

@@bigrollinghome2091 we will be doing it on factor55 rings a few Amazon options A few snatch blocks And the yankum ring We will also be doing a friction loss test during all of it as well

[@phatboizbackyardkustomz9006]

Hate to say it, i am still traditional... WIRE ROPE! with real snatch blocks. I don't like synthetic stuff. I hear the haters now OMG it might break and kill you... Been messing with this type of stuff for 45 years have only seen 3 wire ropes break in that time and 2 of em' that broke had over 50 tons loaded up only 1 was on a 8000lb 4x4 truck winch and no one get hurt.

[@samdoe5087]

That rope looks like it is made from Dyneema or Spectra material. These are two brand names for the same chemical compound, ultra-high-molecular-weight polyethylene (UHMWPE). They are used in many applications which require zero stretch, but they have a low melting point, which you have discovered. They do not like to be dragged across a fixed surface or they melt. Use a real snatch block or a large sheave with bearings.

[@oldyellah5266]

At the start of your video you are using a Factor 55 ring so not an unbias report, as someone in the comments asks how much are you being paid for this video to badmouth either Yankum Ropes or Casey?

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

$0 And as for the factor55 ring That was a long time ago Fun fact f55 ring and Yankum are both the same material and same anodized aluminum And at the time only the skinny Yankum ring was available so the f55 ring actually had a better radius Then every hater on the internet that don’t know anything Complained so we purchased yankums rings and remade the video Weird tho it got mass reported and taken down 🤣 Casey is a moron that dosnt know much about anything Yankum made a crappy product So thanks for stopping by

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

What else is super weird is you skipped the rest of the video 🤔 Nothing to say about constant lies Or the smoke and mirror games with videos ?? Also super weird Almost like you love them guys even if they do wrong

[@fredbecvar7463]

Friction causes heat..heat causes rope damage. To save your rope the rope needs to roll without causing heat. That's why roller shelves are used on crane blocks. So if you want to prolong the life of your cable use a snatch block that has a roller in it. Roll up your line properly in the drum. Don't crush your rope.

[@MaineOutdoorsChannel]

you can't deny the laws of physics.... unless you are yankum,... About 66% efficient

[@dougaranda6187]

It’s been a while since college, but I believe the multiplication of pulling force only happens between two pulleys. Simply going from one vehicle to another with one pulley is simply called a redirection, and doesn’t increase pulling force. Only between pulleys is force amplified by 25%.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

We would love to educate you on this if you truly want to learn But this is not a redirect in this video and the scales do not lie

[@dugefresh7063]

So your saying ditch the RTT all together and go with traditional snatch blocks that spin????

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Yes

[@dugefresh7063]

May I ask what brand of Traditional Snatchblock you might recommend?@@OffRoadRecoveryLLC

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

We use both Warn And Badlands apex Style blocks both work very well The warn is slightly smaller a slightly better quality But also double the price If you want the best it will be safer x tract but they are not worth the money in our opinion They are $400 ish

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Why are they trying to reinvent the wheel? Friction loss is one thing, but those silly rings are tearing up the winch line leading to a DANGEROUS situation! 😳

[@mikewhite3123]

If it doesnt roll,it has too much friction,period... We used these plasma lines on towboats to replace the big wire rope winch lines,and every place we had a button that they went around and didnt roll,ot melted the lines,and these were like 5k bucks at the time. We also started using sleeves everywhere it touched literally anything, because these ran across the deck and idiots would drag things right over them... They didn't realize how much better it was to have these instead of dragging around 100 foot wire ropes...

[@frankdove4869]

Does little slide pulleys look cool but I still prefer snatch blocks with pulleys in on work better and safer

[@ljprep6250]

Your setup seemed to prove that it's not only a safety problem, single use of a rope due to damage is a =costly= problem to someone using Yankum's advice. Shame on you, Yankum.

[@QRS365]

yakum should be grateful and thankful to you for the findings. they should take this opportunity that you just presented and go back to the drawing board to develop a better product. alot of ppl review products for monetary gains and do not care about the actual performance or safety of a product. i appreciate your time and effort to enlighten us. yakum should really take this opportunity to work with you so as to develope a better and stronger product.

[@RealJeep]

Yankum "Should" but the question is, would they get butt hurt if their products didn't measure up to the hype? They can make these claims and pull numbers and stats out of thin air because nobody holds their feet to the fire. .. Until now.

[@wg5768]

It's so obvious! You can't rub a robe over any hard object without the robe being damaged.

[@dundonrl]

Why would anyone try to slide a rope through a stationary "ring" and think that you're not going to damage your rope?

[@capt.stubing5604]

I’m curious to know if you’ve scrutinized Factor 55 in the same way and what you came up with?

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

We have tested many brands and many products and reported back to manufacturers for improvement None and I mean none have been shady lying sacks of crap like this one But yes we have tested factor55 rings and got about 8% friction loss on a rotating recovery ring Which we agree is too high for a multi part line greater then 3 for us So we still use a lot of regular pulley blocks Currently we carry 4 warn blocks and 2 badland apex blocks and we still carry 3 f55 rings They do come in handy on certain things where a block will not Example If we have 400’ of line out using 2 extensions and our full winch line How you connect the winch lines together Either a cow hitch Or Soft shackle Neither option will go through a block So you have to play hot Patato with lengths at connecting points during the pull Where if you use a ring It will hit the ring and and continue to rotatate around it Not falling off not damaging anything And allowing you to continue pulling without having to re rig We spoke with Factor55 and they are designing a new ring as we recommended to make it larger diameter on the outside and keep the same diameter on the inside This will change the torque required to rotate the ring on the soft shackle and decrease the friction loss to 4-5% instead of 8-10% We continue to say a standard pulley block provides the best possible performance With the lowest chance of failure People will argue that the rope has a small chance of squeezing between the pulley and the cheeks But the chance of the rope falling off everyone’s donut 🍩 during a slack is about 99% Except factor55’s ring which has rubber fingers to hold the rope inside the ring groove during slack which works about 75% of the time So are the factor55 the best donut on the market? Yes Performs the same as most other rings But has the best rope retaining ability Causes no damage Are they better then a regular block Absolutely not Hope this helps

[@imchris5000]

@@OffRoadRecoveryLLC really if you go up in sheave size and use a prusik knot you can get the line through a block no problem. learned that trick working on wooden rollercoasters. its nice to have a 2:1 when trying to pull a 20ft 6x6 up 100ft the prusik knot does not increase the line diameter very much so it feeds through nicely.

[@scotthallenberg3575]

Would love to see a straight up test between Factor 55 and Yankum, starting with new line and soft shackles in just a 2:1 configuration. Then do a measured break test of each winch line and each shackle. It’s obvious there is going to be friction and Ff55 puts more fiction in the same spot on the shackle and Yankum puts friction on the winch line in 6 inch increments. It would be great to see how the friction actually translates to durability. Is it a show stopper or is it acceptable for recreation 4x4 use? Might as well do a control test with soft shackle and pulley block and do break test of those. This is the best way to objectively determine performance. Whether or not someone wants to do business with a particular company hinges on product performance and a whole slew of other factors. Both are US / Idaho based companies and would love to see a head to head test.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

@@scotthallenberg3575 we included those tests in the original video that got flagged and removed You would assume that the soft shackle would heat up and burn Mainly because yankum keeps telling you that But during our test that was not the case Was there damage? Yes We did a full 100 foot winch line pull with a 2-1 non stop (way over recommended winch run duty cycle) The shackle was glazed but had less damage then yankums ring provided with a 3 foot pull Why?? The inside radius of the ring moves much slower then the outside of the ring Has a factor The second factor is The aluminum builds the heat not the soft shackle And with the ring rotating it heats up during contact but then quickly moves out of the contact zone while rotating and quickly cools down before making the full rotation So after the full 100’ pull the entire ring is hot 🥵 Where yankums does not move concentrating the heat at the exact spot the rope has to make contact When we did the full 100’ test the rotation ring was at 125 degrees during a 92 degree day While using yankums the contact area reached over 160 degrees in less then 10 feet

[@scotthallenberg3575]

@@OffRoadRecoveryLLC too bad the video was taken down. Would have liked to see it.

[@moustachemike7128]

Commonsense may play a roll here..and I get it If ya don't know ya don't know until its too late. thanks for your channel and sharing hope it will keep some one safe..Peace .. and happy new year..

[@Jeff-rk8hq]

This really is seemingly all factual, I haven’t verified every single sliver of info either however yankum lying about the specs of products is enough to turn me off and any cs that just refers you to a video without the willingness to transfer you or doesn’t walk you thru it wouldn’t get my biz anyhow

[@FunAdventuresImp]

Very good video, informative you did a good job explaining!!

[@RealJeep]

Do you really think any of those west coast know it all's would use a crappy Apex winch if Harbor Freight didn't give them away as promo items? People on here get all butt hurt when you call out their favorite KZbin creators promo product but won't say a thing when @ProjectFarm does a test or Torque test channel trashes their favorite product.

[@darrengray2309]

Sounds like you are also getting some butt hurt there buddy😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@RealJeep]

@@darrengray2309 Just speaking truths groupie. Get over it.

[@CaseyLaDelle]

Actually yes, if you go back through my videos you’ll see that I pulled my warn winches off and replaced them with harbor freight long before they ever knew who I was.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

They don’t get sponsored They motto is use American do not go cheap buy the best thing available (while getting the products for free) Don’t waste your money on the best go with the cheapest and constantly swap them out it’s cheaper (when they have to pay out of their own pockets)

[@M.TTT.]

project farm isn't sponsored so yeah, we know he's actually an honest person.

[@kirkboivin4357]

Can't understand why you would want to drag your rope over or around anything, ever. Just because it makes no sense at all unless you are desperate.

[@TheRoostersGarage]

I've had good luck with the Voodoo dynamic recovery rope. I got a 30' on sale for $60. When it's time to swap my winch lines I'll probably upgrade from my Chinese rope to Voodoo and give them a try.

[@calholli]

At 3018 it showed 7665.. Which is 39%.. So as you add more weight, the percentage was gradually falling. Which is why you made up the arbitrary number of 4500 lbs and stopped there; rather than testing it to the full 12k lbs capacity of the winch that most people use. And yes, it's common to sink a truck in the mud and leave it over night and you come back the next day with the ground frozen and you're absolutely buried and frozen in. It's not uncommon and you would certainly need to add more force than 4500 lbs... And it's very common to need to tie off your tow truck to a tree with your front winch for a stronger anker. All these guys even put winches out each SIDE of their tow trucks for that very reason. So I like that you're trying to go at this scientifically-- but you're just as shady yankoomz's tactics when you're selecting situations to better your argument rather than to show reality........... Also, you just showed that the rings work well for a 4 rope setup and yet you didn't' show the rings then and talk about damage? Why is that??? You can't have it both ways. You winch with low numbers to fudge your percentage numbers-- and then you pull very high weight to burn the rope. Why didn't' you do both tests at the same time? I'd like to see what you were actually winching when you burned your ropes too. I bet you were winching the skid steer or something ridiculous. Why didn't you have the load cells hooked up when you burned the rope?

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Actually the higher the winch pull the more friction We did have a video posted with yankums rings damaging the rope with load cells it got removed for hate speach 😂 We are redoing the video with a thermal camera soon

[@calholli]

@@OffRoadRecoveryLLC Well again. By your own video footage. When you pull 3k lbs, it's only 2.5x the mechanical advantage.. Yet when you keep pulling to 4500.. it jumps to 2.65x. As you add more weight, the friction becomes a smaller and smaller factor comparatively. Granted you will have more nominal heat-- but the percentage heat loss will be lower and lower. When you do your next test, don't stop at the 4500 lbs... Tie your truck to a tree and pull the 4 rope setup with the max capacity of the winch.. Then lets look at those numbers and see the REAL heat loss. You know you stopped the footage at 4500 lbs for a reason; and that's because it gave you the biased footage that you wanted. But if people are stuck-- they will use their winch to the max capacity-- whatever it takes. So test accordingly next time. I'll sub and look forward to it... and I'll go watch some of your other testing

[@joedunn1109]

@@calholli I suspect the rope was still stretching, which is why the % loss seemed smaller as the winch pulled harder. It's a confounding variable that can only be eliminated by pulling until the rope is fully stretched. So, I agree that he should have put more force on it, but it's not because the friction is less as the force increases.

[@calholli]

@@joedunn1109 He's pulling 4500 lbs.. that rope is full stretched for sure by then. And it's not that the friction goes down; it's just a diminishing return. The surface area is still the same and you're already getting a good bit of friction out of it--- but as you pull a lot more force, the friction isn't increasing anywhere near the same rate. So I agree with you that it will have at least a little more friction as you pull more force. But it's just a relatively smaller percentage of loss as you get up into the higher numbers. If you only pulled 100 lbs of force, the friction would be a huge percentage of your losses, relatively. You could even feel the friction in your hands if you were pulling it. Because the power is barely even overcoming the friction. But as you get into a higher and higher force, the friction becomes less and less relevant; because again, you can only get so much friction out of a small area; there isn't really that much in contact around those rings. There comes a point where the friction is maxed out, and from there and above --- you can only get "wear or destruction of materials; either the rope or the ring. That's why it's called the "coefficient of friction": because of the changing ratio between the force applied and the friction resulting from it. It's not a linear handshake.. It's not directly proportional and varies drastically depending on the type of surface. Like most things in physics, it's on a curve up to a point where it completely changes states. -- Which in this case, would be plasticity: or in other words, the rope melting. Think of it this way-- if you pulled with your hands at 100 lbs of force, we would get X' friction.. If I multiplied that by 10 and pulled at 1000 lbs of force-- do you think it would be 10x the friction? Of course not; It would likely only be 2x the friction at most. Yes they do both increase, just at different rates; and as you multiply the force, the friction falls further and further behind and less and less of a factor as a percentage of the LOSS. Look-- the point is, he stopped it at 4500 lbs on purpose. In the other footage he pulled the rope until it was melting, so he's not afraid to damage the rope for a video. The fact is, the numbers were starting to go against the point he was trying to make-- so he kept it at a lower force to maximize the percentage loss of the friction and make it look worse.. Which is fine, whatever--- you showed your reasoning. I just think we should stick to the facts and show ALL the science, not just the specific situation that gets your point across. cheers

[@harpintn]

I don't 4 wheel, and I don't own a wench, but I do understand friction, and logic. I also know what a damaged synthetic rope looks like. What you are saying makes sense. There is no way I would use that ring instead of a snatch block for anything after seeing what it did to a synthetic rope. There is a reason that pulleys have been used over friction rings for hundreds of years.

[@Jawesome1Shazam]

I wheel and I don't use any recovery gear. I just know the limits of my vehicle and my skills. No winch, no maxtracks or whatever, no snatchblocks, no recovery ropes. I don't do recoveries, either. But now that there's a channel worth watching to learn all those things, I think I'll seriously consider learning a thing or two from here.

[@harpintn]

@@Jawesome1Shazam I grew up using a block and tackle, or come along for things like stretching fence, lifting engines, and pulling stuff up to the barn loft.

[@Jawesome1Shazam]

@@harpintn I did not grow up like that, but I did take some physics classes in high school and understand their value is immense. These friction rings they sell are of course just a waste of money. They're obviously meant for the market of people who put a rooftop tent on their 4Runner that is only set up a couple times of year in the driveway and drive around town using their vehicle like a Honda Civic but it's loaded up with maxtracks and those god awful death machines, high-lift jacks, mounted on the hoods like trophies as they have the solid steel, high clearance bumpers that destroys the safety of their vehicle (I'll admit I am guilty there). These companies like Yankum didn't have to spend money on actual testing or anything because they know their target demographic. Hence how they got caught BSing their numbers, because they just figured out what sounded good at first and then when they got called out the whole house of cards crumbled on 'em.

[@harpintn]

@@Jawesome1Shazam From what I seen the recovery ropes are legit, but they don't snap back to their original size after being used in a hard pull. They are a very limited use item that is only good for a few pulls and should be marketed as such. With all that I am not saying the entire company is a fraud, just the friction ropes.. I do know what you are talking about with those death trap jacks. I am old enough to remember those scary bumper jacks from the 60's and early 70's. No way would I have one of those things on a off road vehicle.

[@ClinttheGreat]

@@harpintn Correct that stretch and snatch type ropes, like Yankum, don't generally go back to their original size. Incorrect that they are only good for a few pulls. Projectfarm on youtube did a great job of reviewing these types of ropes and discussing the elasticity. He measured before and after lengths, which surprisingly varied amongst the manufacturers. He had a Yankum rope in his comparison, but it didn't come out on top, if I remember correctly.

[@imchris5000]

im still a believer in the good old steel cable. they are used in industry everyday doing way harder work than im putting it through. the trick is to know the load limits and keep your gear in good condition. steel cable also can handle way more abuse when dragged across the ground. the synthetic rope stuff has its places but ill stick to good old steel cable and chains. steel got a bad rap because people would overload it and be surprised when it blows apart. as long as you have grade 80 or better chain and you stay within its limits its safe. just look at draglines they use chains to catch the bucket when it dumps. those are shock loaded everyday all day for years on end before wearing out

[@ajaxracing]

Same thoughts here steel cable is better all around

[@gungadinn]

It's called wire rope. The caution I'll remind people of is that wire rope isn't a kinetic devise, so you load it up. It's not designed to use like the kinetic rope is. Secondly, wire rope requires that it be oiled from time to time to reduce the internal friction. The internal rope absorbs the oil to keep the wire strands from corroding. I've never been a fan of using a kinetic rope when you have a winch available. No winch, use the kinetic rope, with caution. Chains aren't to be used as a kinetic devise.

[@imchris5000]

@@gungadinn it works just fine in a shock load same with chains if its actually rated for the forces of said shock load. just watch an old wrecking ball go to work. those old cranes get their ropes and chains shock loaded for 8+ hours a day, day after day smashing up concrete. also those kinetic ropes will kill you dead just as good as a chain ever will. sure in the best case scenario it might slowly stretch and break down but if you rip off the anchor point it will whip right back. its how most people die in these accidents the chain or cable itself does not break the anchor point lets go like a missile

[@gungadinn]

@@imchris5000 i have to disagree. Chains are used to be used in tension. Wire rope is used in tension. I've seen people attempting to use chains as kinetic devises and it doesn't work well when they break. Wire rope in tension has a lot of stored energy. Ropes like the Yankum rope lose their energy quickly.

[@imchris5000]

@@gungadinn chains and cable work just fine in a kinetic pull as long as everything rated for it. yankum ropes will snap back just as hard as a chain or cable will if you break the anchor point. if anything they are worse for when you pull off the anchor point the recoil of the rope slings stuff even harder. the only time they slowly break in in those magical situations where a load is slowly applied and it breaks just strand by strand. there is nothing safe about this kind of stuff if you dont know the ratings of your gear and forces involved dont be blindsided because you followed some marketing. it does not matter what its made of it can still kill you just as good as anything else

[@michigunder1522]

My only disappointment with this video? @5:11 when you started the test I saw two regular snatch blocks on the ground and assumed that you'd show the test with both the rings and the snatch blocks for comparison. I'll have to look back at your old videos and see if you have a comparative test.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Yes Two regular blocks with only 3 parts of line had a greater output Then yankums doing a 4 part of line

[@CaseysOffRoadRecovery]

I would never use this configuration! It is not safe! Safety is top priority. Letting others know to improve safety is commendable. Any professional would take advise to improve safety

[@user-pt7zg3ym8m]

Get over it. He severely smoked you, and your jealous nose is beyond bent. You tried to play in the major leagues and failed. It's ok. Becky accepts you the way you are.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

This is a different Casey Casey ladelle is the product pusher from yankum Not Casey off road

[@chrisgosselin6399]

Hard to argue with this mans logic. Im going to have to agree.

[@WeGoWalk]

Fantastic debunking! Getting to the truth is what is important! Nice work! You are a man of integrity!

[@KB-gs8zi]

Hey Matt !!! Did you do the same testing with ""FACTOR 55 "" Rope & Soft Shackles ??? Can't say enough about whatever products being used & ""SAFETY 1st !!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

We did on the original test video the one that got removed for copyright We melted a winch rope in 2 feet with them not spinning We did a solid non stop 50’ pull overheated a winch And had minor damage on a soft shackle of a spinning f55 ring One thing to note just like the tire on your car The outside moves greater distance them then inside So your tread on the tire will move a greater distance then the axle in the center We also did a friction loss test on the spinning rings They were more then we liked so we continue to use standard pulley blocks most of the time I’ll go back and check I think they were 10-15% loss Where a spinning pulley block is around 6%

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Sorry just reread your comment f55 does not make or have winch rope They only have soft shackles which we use And we use the 1/2” ones most of the time with a 12,000lb WLL

[@jonschneck4559]

@@OffRoadRecoveryLLC would like to see the same pull setup with spinning snatch blocks to see what the true 4 to 1 final pull is

[@KB-gs8zi]

@@OffRoadRecoveryLLC OKs !! Thanks for the info !!🤔🙄

[@KB-gs8zi]

@@OffRoadRecoveryLLC Well that answerers a lot of questions for sure !!!🤔😏

[@DavidMamanakis]

There is some science behind this... Nothing to do with Yankum or their products... It has everything to do with using these things incorrectly, and or, misstating the results. Yankum should talk to someone like me. I'm a professional QA Engineer. After watching your video, I have to say, KUDOS! You did an excellent job! Not much different from what I would do in a lab environment (more controlled elements)... But "real world" testing is good also. "Sure, it does X in the lab, but what does it do in the real world?" Yep, that is one of the questions I ask. And one of the tests I run. So, keep up the good work! Keep these companies honest! I have been designing another "snatch ring" that will put less stress on the rope, but it still shouldn't be used in the center, like they do. Also, using a soft shackle with a nylon outer covering/mesh can help it last longer, but it isn't a complete solution. What I wouldn't give to be able to test these set-ups with a variety of ropes, rings, and more.

[@martinrhoads6168]

No next to nothing about snatch rings, but I would think a ball bearing snatch ring , if made would be a seller, to you guys?

[@NameNaameNameeNaamee]

A good year ago you made a video that is still online, demonstrating a very similar product by Factor 55, that you - as you state in the video - sell at your own online store (you did at that time anyways). In that video you say that this is better than a snatch block in various ways. How is this Yankum product different? The drawbacks mentioned here should be the same in the F55, as far as I can tell anyways. And my conclusion from this current video would be the same as yours: that a snatch block is better than these rings in pretty much every aspect. Also, if you are working with Factor55 - by the looks of your current website it looks like you very much do, it would be good to mention it explicitly in videos like this one, just for transparency. Other than that, great work man!

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Factor 55 rings are much better then Yankum ring But factor55 rings also suck for performance We no longer use any rings We are not sponsored by factor55 we are not affiliated with them we just use their gear Minus the ring

[@justinsane7128]

Your not greasing your stuff with Pam cooking spray? 🤔

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

🤣

[@justinsane7128]

@@OffRoadRecoveryLLC our local HS football coach was busted Pammin Jerseys.... 😆

[@lewy1]

Not a big fan of soft shackles or the ring. The only time I would use a soft shackle is for joining straps. As far as the ring maybe a change of direction, but at the end of the day I will stick with Crosby shackles and steel snatch blocks. I think soft shackles have become the most overrated piece of recovery gear.

[@romanlerma4069]

So what does everyone use, And why?

[@whatitdoson8894]

Than what should I do I’m new to this I need help and this is the best form for me to understand where and how to spend my starting funds.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Use a pulley block also called a snatch block A good one that’s not too expensive is a badlands apex snatch block

[@robakitt4741]

Project Farm did some really good test between Kinetic ropes.

[@OffRoadRecoveryLLC]

Yes they did

[@Qusin111]

I think project farm covered different ropes.

[@user-uv7vj5dl4x]

dont you know that they made winches for 90 years with steel cables because they work

[@hateforall4012]

But when they fail… it’s a mess

[@whychry]

snatch blocks that have a wheel that turns are the only way to go and this video proves it

[@skegbudley4611]

Seems like it's an issue with your winch rope and the factor55 gear. Didn't see any yankum gear used...

[@_JamesBrown]

I think you're missing the point. The ring is a wear point no matter what rope material is used. Yankem ropes are probably fine. Just don't use these friction rings.

[@TwoAMBlacktop]

You didn't see the Yankum rings?

[@scottleggejr]

Magic plasma 😂

[@dylanguay]

I’m not sure of the origination of these rings but they’ve been in the arborist industry for years.(similar version) We use them FOR friction to lower wood instead of using blocks in some instances. When I saw these in a static winching setup I thought it was a joke. Shame on them for marketing these the way they did. Good video 👍🏻

[@bshinn4884]

Great explanation