Yeah, It's Still Bad - Die Another Day (2002) || From Rewatch with Love Ep22

[@Legitcar117]

My brain”huh they didn’t put a prop on the table this time...” Sees Aston Martin silhouette “Ohhh”

[@anthyman1]

Took me a solid 40 minutes to notice 🤣

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

ill be honest it was about the 40:00 mark i noticed it.

[@featherweight]

I can be sneaky when I want.

[@YayapLives]

@@featherweight I kinda wish it was just tire tracks. But then again, like they said, that would have been better in the movie too.

[@TheOrksebozz]

Tecknicly the one in Licence to kill wasn´t on the table ;) it was on Matt

[@LightOfZeon]

Only four more Bonds left in the podcast. Noooo!! This podcast has made my 2020. Thank you for providing such a consistent source of entertainment this year.

[@blofeld39]

@Tim Hands Along with Iron Man.

[@Panquernic]

The movie should have ended with John Cleese saying "Stop this film. It is too silly." And covering the camera with his hand

[@NCR5309]

He should of just stopped the film. No requirement for it to reach an ending.

[@JLProPhoto]

In the first scene with Raul, that book "Birds of the West Indies" was actually an Easter Egg. The name "James Bond" was taken by Ian Fleming from the name of the author of a book that Ian Fleming owned, called "Birds of the West Indies". So, in a way, the next scene, when Bond says he's an ornithologist is kinda true. The real, original person called James Bond was an ornithologist whose name sounded good.

[@KingOfDoma]

I was literally swiping at the screen trying to catch the opportunity they dropped to refer to that...

[@Gamingnstuff131]

It is one of few things about the movie that work. If more things about it worked as well as that Easter egg did then it would’ve been at least a decent movie. As is, the movie is a disaster that still haunts the series. Not as much as before with the passage of time but still one that hasn’t been completely forgiven.

[@kuznickic1]

Actually it wasn’t that the name sounded good, it was the name was very boring and ‘regular’ sounding...sort of a joke by Ian Fleming

[@MrDalevich]

That's why the name is all scratched out, I guess. I knew this Trivia nug at the time but I never actually noticed the name was obscured until now.

[@Gamingnstuff131]

@@kuznickic1 yes. He wanted the most plain sounding name he could find. To go with how the character is an uninteresting person who has interesting things happen around him.

[@SiukiAegis]

Mildly sad this wasn't titled "As Bad As You Remember" to bookend the Brosnan films

[@rockyradical]

They can still change it. There's still time. No time to die, though.

[@blofeld39]

@@rockyradical There's no hurry, you see... they have all the time in the world.

[@rockyradical]

@@blofeld39 The world is not enough.

[@blofeld39]

@@rockyradical Non sufficit!

[@mrphlip]

Fun fact: this podcast, at 2:49:51 in length, is 28% longer than the movie it's covering - a new record, beating the previous high score of 21% for Live and Let Die.

[@Voidhawk42]

"If I had a nickel for every time I fought a villain with a solar death ray... I'd have three nickels. Which isn't alot, but it's weird that it's happened three times right?"

[@thewonderdoc2999]

Ah a very Unexpected Doof

[@edoris9021]

Diamonds are forever, man with golden gun goldeneye and die another day is 4?

[@user-ul6mm9bz5g]

@@edoris9021 Goldeneye was a nuke.

[@tealeafandco]

@@user-ul6mm9bz5g EMP

[@kuznickic1]

Does Moonraker count?

[@wendigo2064ify]

When "Die Another Day" came out, a friend of mine who saw it in theaters described to me what happens in this movie. I thought he was making it up, or at least exaggerating. Nope... he was not.

[@patrickbarry6273]

I quite enjoy it .

[@CountZeroOr]

For those who are interested - the birdwatching thing is an in-joke. Ian Fleming got the name "James Bond" because while he was living at the Goldeneye estate, he was a frequent birdwatcher, and got the name for James Bond from a bird book he had - "Field Guide to Birds of the West Indes" by James Bond. The title is spectacularly dated, but the content was really good, and - IIRC - the bird book 007 picks up is the latest edition of that book, with the name of the author obscured.

[@CountZeroOr]

One other in-joke, I believe the "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead" line was a shout-out to Warren Zevon. Zevon had commented in an interview prior to the release of this film that he wanted to be around long enough for the next Bond film to come out. In which case - whuff. Also, maybe using "Werewolves of London" when flying into London might have been a better choice.

[@Gamingnstuff131]

A great Easter egg that’s almost immediately ruined by an extremely on the nose sex joke and an even more dire sex scene.

[@blofeld39]

@@CountZeroOr Also, the author of the article of the interview with Gustav Graves in Bond's in-flight magazine is... Gregg Wilson. That's Michael G. Wilson's son.

[@judyhopps9380]

Gosh I was having a miserable day and saw this drop. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

[@johnpotts8308]

I'm reminded of crack theory I came up with about this film: that this (other than the opening sequence) depicts the fantasy of Bond after he takes his cyanide pill, which fails. He eventually escapes and seeks his revenge on the spymaster who left him for dead. He is ultimately killed by his replacement, but not before he kills M (as shown in Skyfall).

[@rockyradical]

The backstory for Raul Silva is somewhat different, which would kill that theory. But the idea that Brosnan's Bond is having a hallucinatory journey as he dies in a North Korean prison makes so much more sense than this Willy Wonka wackadoo story.

[@ricardocantoral7672]

Bond does Point Blank.

[@trans-americanjourney8371]

Matt absolutely kills it with the editing. I'm here for it.

[@bardbratberg6361]

The cgi in this movie somehow makes it feel more dated to me than any of the "old" ones.

[@Gamingnstuff131]

The CGI is painfully bad. It gets even worse starting with the ice palace stuff. I’ve seen better ps2 FMVs than the horrendous way they rendered the exterior of the palace and certainly better than the awful wind surfing scene. Litterally. Final Fantasy X had more impressive graphics for it’s wave centric scenes. Even the in game ice environments looked far more impressive than the Iceland stuff that was rendered in CGI. It came out just 1 year prior to Die Another Day. That windsurfing scene was the one that made it virtually impossible to continue with Pierce Brosnan. Watching him appear suddenly from behind that wave was where you could see how there was a strong chance that he’d have to be let go. He was associated with one of the lowest points in cinematic history. That scene and also this movie which was the lowest the series fell. That part of the movie is ranked high on lists of worst special effects in movies. It’s probably also part of why the producers went with an atypical actor to star in the role. They could’ve pretty easily have went with another actor in the tall dark and handsome model they went with for every actor prior to Daniel Craig but after such a misfire for the reputation of the series they needed to go with an actor not associated with the 20th century series to help move away from DAD and rebuild the reputation of the series so it can be taken seriously again. Which they did. If they went with an actor in the more traditional image now it would go over better. In fact, I have my fingers crossed they go with Henry Cavill. He fits both the traditional image and has the physcality as well so we wouldn’t lose that aspect of Daniel Craig’s movies. He also looks like an almost spitting image of the character from the novels. Even more than Timothy Dalton or Pierce Brosnan. It’d be great to go with him. He also is extremely enthusiastic about the idea. Daniel Craig has been a great thing for the series but his dwindling enthusiasm has definitely become increasingly apparent. With Cavill they could probably show how the character grew in his line of work into the extremely seasoned agent that we saw in the movies. We already saw his backstory be elaborated on but how he got gradually more experienced wasn’t really shown. The jump between Casino Royale/Quantum Of Solace where he’s still a rookie to Skyfall where he’s shown to be an extremely seasoned agent showing the effects of the stressful nature of being a spy was so abrupt.

[@ricardocantoral7672]

The miniature used to simulate the hovercraft plummeting over the falls looks better than that crappy para-sailing sequence !

[@Gamingnstuff131]

@@ricardocantoral7672 that is really surprising.

[@emilcaillaux]

Yup. That and the editing style.

[@futuremovieactor]

The Q scene was particularly interesting because man you could tell Bond struggled hard with the fact that "his" Q was gone. That said, he clearly came around to his successor in the same scene though.

[@andrewmclaughlin9007]

My other favorite thing about Toby Stephens is that his mother is Dame Maggie Smith. They smirk the same way.

[@blofeld39]

You can see his dad, Robert Stephens, in his looks, too -- he played Sherlock Holmes in Billy Wilder's "The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes", and starred alongside his wife in "Travels with My Aunt".

[@astaiannymph]

"smirk the same way" is a great family trait

[@AmicaCream]

Thank you, i was about to comment this 😊

[@benroberts2222]

One of those comments you love: 1:51:15 Hot water is less dense than water at 4 degrees C (which is the temperature of water sitting beneath ice), so you could potentially have hot water sitting on top of it. The key is for the hot water to be elevated above the lake level, then keep the system stratified so the layers don't mix too much; most lakes in the summer are stratified this way with 15-20 degree C water sitting on top of 4 degree C water. Getting it downright hot in that climate would require artificially heating the water above, or perhaps piping it in via an aqueduct from a hot spring elsewhere.

[@WNeal]

It's a personal bigbear of mine: that's not a CG creature in Alien3, it's a rod puppet that was badly lit creating all sorts of problems (in terms of color, highlights, and shadows) trying to comp them in.

[@EffinChat]

Die Another Day was my first Bond film and made me fall in love with the series... It's also probably the reason why I still like Brosnan the most out of all the Bonds so far. The good news of all this is that pretty much every Bond film I've watched since Die Another Day has been better than the first film that introduced me to the series

[@Xondar11223344]

You're lucky, you saw one of the worst, so now it's only uphill from there.

[@DanteTorn]

Your positive attitude is admirable.

[@NCR5309]

My overriding memory of this film is the audience exiting the auditorium in silence/hushed conversation. Never seen such before at a Bond. Not a good sign.

[@Alahmnat]

To answer Graham's question of whether the CGI waveboarding sequence looked better in 2002 and just doesn't hold up to the modern eye, I can confidently say as someone who watched it in the theater at the time that no, it's always looked terrible.

[@WonkyTonkBotty]

That there's a REAL wave/surf scene in the start of the movie makes it...1000* worse.

[@leejones8582]

I agree

[@Aiijuin]

I always thought that M was referring to the 9/11 terrorism attack as well when she stated that “while you were away, the world changed.” (Wow, did it ever though.)

[@Yora21]

Evil Sword Queen will be the villain in my next D&D game.

[@FFKonoko]

Something like AC 14, 100 hp, 3 melee attacks, parry reaction to add 3 AC against an attack that would hit it? +7 to hit, d8+4? High Dex save?

[@gnyrinn]

I'm an Icelander. The fact that this movie was not only partially shot in Iceland, but it would be itself, and not a stand in for Siberia or Kamchatka or whatever, featured heavily in local media in the weeks leading up to the premiere. I was a teenager at the time and remember many people willing the movie to be good. After the first week of screening, this movie has basically never been spoken of again. In fact, as far as I remember, it has never been shown on terrestrial TV here.

[@Xondar11223344]

Oh, poor Icelandic dears . . .

[@SirZapdos]

Some overlooked tidbits: When Bond and Q talk about the holo-simulation, Bond mentions that M only has a flesh wound. That has to be a reference to the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, right? Also, when Q gives Bond his watch, he mentions that it's his 20th. Twentieth official Bond film. Lastly, Bond sleeps with his gun under his pillow at the ice hotel. Teri Hatcher's character in TND mentions this fact as well.

[@loadingreadyrun]

Oh wow, of course it's a Holy Grail reference... I don't know how I missed that.

[@nitehunter91]

Connery admits it in "Thunderball"

[@two_owls]

Can we petition to have the video title changed to "We Have Robocop at Home - Die Another Day (2002)"

[@Gamingnstuff131]

Or “James Bond jumps the shark with frickin laser beams”

[@TheWAYF]

Hey wait a minute, what happened to the table prop that's always - _ohhh, it's the invisible car. Gotcha._

[@judyhopps9380]

the special effects in Die Another Day looked god awful back then too. I went to see it with my whole film school class, and it was considered dire.

[@Xondar11223344]

Yep, I remember talking with people about how bad the CG was at the time.

[@sixdegreesofcrispybacon]

Worked on some of the VFX shots, so remember this pretty well. Yep, the *bad* VFX was bad at the time. Even some of 'our' VFX (which weren't picked on here... phew! 😁) was last-minute change of plan rushed stuff. Weather problems. Reshoots. Pretty severe re-edit and trimming of sections*. All a bit of a shitshow really. *including an extra couple of lines from General Moon at the bell - which I mention since the boys specifically point it out in the video. LOL.

[@judyhopps9380]

@@sixdegreesofcrispybacon what about the extra? :o And thank you for sharing that. Thats an awesome story.

[@sixdegreesofcrispybacon]

@@judyhopps9380 Hehehe. I don't remember what exactly is in the finished film - just my surprise there was a line 'missing' and a bit of an abrupt cut. Nothing major. Something like "My son is dead. " Presumably some running-time problem. Same reason the toilet / landing gear / Heathrow runway scene got axed?

[@empath69]

Yeah, the problem is - and this applies to practical f/x, too - that the CGI wasn't used *subtly* like it was in previous Bond films - there was CGI in Goldeneye, and in many more instances than you think. But instead of using it to -assist- practical effects & miniatures, etc - people started using it to -replace- them, and that's the 'CGI that looks like crap' (both today AND back then, FWIW)

[@0ButterBall]

I'm still just astonished that a main plot of the movie is to literally whitewash the villain.

[@Yora21]

The villain whitewashed himself so that he could... actually, there was no point to it.

[@Gamingnstuff131]

It’s offensively bad. Not only because of how stupid and impossible it is for a NK colonel to become a wealthy British aristocrat in just over a year and have practically everyone not be suspicious of how this happened between the timespan of Bond being captured and in captivity and when he was released but it’s also offensive because they could’ve had him become another Asian with a different identity doing the same thing. There was no need for him to be white in 2002. It felt extremely racist and out of touch and totally out of place with the era that the movie was made and released in.

[@Gamingnstuff131]

@@Yora21 exactly. With how few non white villains are in the series they could’ve made him a Korean aristocrat just as easily. It actually would’ve made more sense. Making a North Korean man in his 30s of an average height into a white British man who’s on the tall side is harder to buy. Face swapping is hard to buy in general but the way they portrayed it makes it even more ridiculous in a movie that’s already jam packed with jump the shark moments. I felt Will Yung Lee was more menacing than Toby Stevens was. Toby Stevens has been in better stuff for sure but in DAD he was terrible. He’s in no way menacing or intimidating. Even Elliot Carver portrayed in an overly hammy self aware way by Jonathan Pryce was more capable of being intimating. It didn’t happen much in TND but on the stealth ship he was shown to be capable of being extremely aggressive. Toby Stevens showed nothing of the sort. Even Dominic Greene was more capable of being intimidating. That’s really saying something about how laughably bad Gustav Graves was as a villain. If 2 of the worst villains who are even more meek in the series are more menacing than Graves who’s at rock bottom because of that you have a problem.

[@snowcookiemedia]

Imagine wanting to be white so you can become a rich British aristocrat so you can... do war on a different nation? As an East Asian myself, I'm reminded of beauty companies who like to push "white is good" on Asian countries but if they were an evil hammy corporation.

[@Xondar11223344]

@@Gamingnstuff131 Haven't you ever seen the documentary Face/Off? It's totally possible to swap faces, and has been since the 90s.

[@KingKool2099]

Not only is "Die Another Day" not a good Bond song, it isn't even a good *Madonna* song! She's made maybe a dozen legitimately great songs. Beautiful Stranger, the song she got on the Austin Powers 2 soundtrack, is legitimately SO much better than this one. I guess at that point, she didn't think she'd ever get in the real Bond, so she went with I Can't Believe It's Not Bond.

[@mandalorian_guy]

It's still not her worst song though, that honor goes to her inexplicable pop cover of American Pie. It's completely unlistenable.

[@Xondar11223344]

@@mandalorian_guy "American Life" and her godaweful "rapping" is actually her worst song. "I'm drinking a soy latte/I get a double shote/It goes right through my body/And you know I'm satisfied."

[@RoryGlynn]

Aww yeah Beautiful Stranger is great

[@toddmcquiston5997]

In MRI’s, the magnet doesn’t get turned on and off. You can’t EVER go near those things with magnetic metals on you. My friend works in a hospital and got a pair of scissors pulled out of/through his scrubs when he walked into the MRI room. He forgot he had them on him.

[@TheWAYF]

Ohhh man I feel Matt's rant about letting Daniel Craig be James Bond, sooo much. Without wishing to get into it in, ostensibly, NOT a Daniel-Craig-Episode comments section, I always felt that the problem with Craig's Bond films (with the exception of Casino Royale) is that they don't feel like traditional spy movies, and they lose a lot of Bond in that process. If there's one thing I can say in defence of THIS film, it might be ludicrous but it at least feels kinda like a spy movie, with spy movie trappings. (Also yes, Rosamund Pike is fantastic in everything she's in. Really looking forward to seeing her as Moiraine Damodred when the Wheel of Time TV adaptation comes out!)

[@cronoros]

As an aside, an Irish Citizen who accepts a foreign title (such as a knighthood) technically loses their Irish citizenship unless it was preapproved by the Irish govt. In practise nobody asks and the govt doesn't enforce it. Irish people generally wouldn't mind if Bono had this applied to him however.

[@MrLorenzovanmatterho]

God Irish Nationalists are such racist BIGOTS! We Irish Unionists have no such problem. Thank god for the Shamrock Awakening.

[@empath69]

Yeah, my Irish ancestry makes me feel as if my great grandmother's home would gladly wrap him up in a bow and hand him over... ...and then my *English* ancestry reminds me that the land of my father would politely refuse the gift.

[@rodion1056]

I'm always happy when a podcast can tell me exactly what I need to know right in the title.

[@CountZeroOr]

I will just say when Matt was listing off the list of connections of clues ending at 2:04:31, my brain went, at that point, in the direction of Clue: "Col. Moon, in the DMZ, with the Orbital Death Ray."

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

Villain grew up in a mine and models their entire life around the protagonist. What is this? The worst TNG film?

[@ricardocantoral7672]

I'd take Nemesis over Insurrection.

[@JustAnotheNeoSilver]

@@ricardocantoral7672 So would most other Trekkies, honestly.

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

@@ricardocantoral7672 I may be in the minority here but Insurrection is my favourite TNG movie. Don't get me wrong, I think first contact is a better action movie starring the TNG cast, but as a next gen movie I prefer insurrection.

[@ricardocantoral7672]

@@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689 All the TNG movies are bad and I feel that Nemesis is the least offensive.

[@Xondar11223344]

@@ricardocantoral7672 Insurrection is about ten thousand times better than Nemesis.

[@swordfishspike7636]

I saw a documentary on Hulu about the history of the Bond films (I forget the title). At one point Pierce Brosnan about his experience of making the film. When they talk about the "parachute surfing", Brosnan is obviously struggling not to laugh.

[@ricardocantoral7672]

He didn't hold back when he was interviewed for the 50th anniversary special !

[@Kameth]

What got me, rewatching it, is that is was kinda good... For a bit. For the first 30 minutes. Bond actor? Pierce is still great. Opening scene? Passable. Opening credits and song? Eh song, credits okay. Bond being burned and going on low tech revenge and investigation? It works. Then they get to the gene hospital, and from there, it falls off a cliff. As quickly as that silly hovercraft. That's what made it worse, the glimmer of potential. Spycar verses spycar? Not seen before, that can work! A villian with diamonds in his face? You could make it creepy by having him dig out diamonds to bribe or pay minions. The actor playing the swarmy main bad guy? He's fun playing into character, that could work, just drop all the gene stuff, make him his own character. And then redo like the rest of the story... Hmm. It is only a glimmer of potential. Also, this is the first time I ever went: "What the hell is with this editing?" camera speeds up, slow downs, a jet whoosh sound on rapid camera pans... Ugh. Also the invisible car was the stupidist thing ever that annoyed me even seeing it in the cinema. Beyond the 'what, it has cameras on the windows and tyres?" it's pointless. So pointless the film even highlights it's stupid. Being invisible on the road is a danger to yourself (proved by the snow mobile crashing into it), and off road you see it leave tyre tracks (also shown in film.) It is used successfully twice: once to infiltrate a compound (guarded by a fence, eh, Bond could of hit past that) and later to trick a ramming speed enemy to miss (also could of just reversed.)

[@Legitcar117]

By the way, the flight attendant in the plane scene is roger moores daughter

[@Taschenschieber]

How did Bond jump back up the ice shelf, you ask? Well, clearly he exploited a physics glitch in the video game he was stuck in.

[@ILikePi31415926535]

This got a good laugh from me I totally can imagine him just walking face first against the ice shelf for about 10 seconds and the clipping back to the top

[@nikolaiquack8548]

A health goth sports bra 😂 She does look great in it, though.

[@futuremovieactor]

“You see Mr. Bond, you can’t kill my dreams! But my dreams can kill you! Time to face destiny!” “TIME TO FACE GRAVITY!” That bit’s kind of FTW.

[@Haights]

Andrew Ferguson: "Are we..." [points towards Jinx] [whistles?] "or..." [points towards soldiers] [phhhhbbbt?] "or"..." [points towards where Bond would presumably run off] "...ca-caw?" [theme to The Bond Place plays]

[@Targisvear]

My favourite Matt G editing joke: the repeated "DAMIEN FALCO".

[@JustDiptych]

My favourite - the repeated cutting away from the stills to the Graham-and-Matt screen as they interrupt themselves and Graham is unable to finish his sentence.

[@denistalbot1829]

haven't you heard? Diamonds are for ever! .... Matt trolling them is the best part of these podcasts

[@TheWAYF]

Mine is the "Fallout meme: Everyone disliked that" but instead of Fallout the game it's Fallout Boy, the band. DAMIEN FALCO is a close second though.

[@BackwardRocketStudios]

[ICE JOKE]

[@jeffheaney6771]

I approve of Matt G being willing to acknowledge he made the quip about club music prematurely, but not wanting to go back and change that. As a fellow editor, I am on the exact same page.

[@nitehunter91]

So am I

[@Xondar11223344]

I went to see every Bond film from Goldeneye to Die Another Day with a friend, and we loathed this one. When this movie was coming out, the people involved with making it said "it's a more realistic, gritty Bond movie, he even gets tortured in the opening!" This is because one of the criticisms of the previous Bond movie was that it was too unrealistic. It's like they flipped a switch about 2/3rds of the way through the movie and tried to jack everything up and it just doesn't work. There was a lot of deceptive marketing involved. On rewatch, I didn't loathe it as much as I remember, but it isn't a good movie. I remember being disappointed by how bad the CG was back in the day, and I'm not surprised to see it does not hold up even a little. I think it would have been a middling Bond film if it wasn't for the giant laser satellite and almost all the sequences after that's introduced.

[@jomo999]

FYI I can speak with authority on the Brosnan Beard. It's fake. I have a behind the scenes book on the making of the movie and it contains shots of Brosnan in makeup with people attaching the pieces to his face.

[@christhornycroft3686]

What gets me is that in interviews, Pierce still acts bitter about losing the role and saying, “I thought things were going so well!” Sure, the movie was a big hit, but a lot of awful movies that are embarrassments to franchises are big hits because they came out at the right time and were marketed to the right audience. This is what 13 year old boys wanted to see in 2002, and they don’t care about the bad storyline. They just want “cool” one liners, sex and over the top action. It didn’t have to make sense in any way. That whole scene at the hotel that is played for laughs is so stupid, but it gets a pass because David Arnold is doing the heavy lifting and at this point, Brosnan is so charismatic (to some) that he gets away with it. Everything about this movie is the epitome of why I hated Brosnan as Bond. All the dumb, 13 year old boy quips are dialled up to 11, the plot is borderline racist, or would be if an adult could take it seriously, and nothing about it makes any sense. No joke, I’ve absolutely seen the Halle Berry sex scene online more than I’ve seen the actual movie from start to finish. Judy Dench is made to look like an idiot because she sees nothing suspicious about this, but again, peer groups. It’s for teenage boys, not adults.

[@scarletguard]

Never seen a font to eviscerate a character as the one used in the video for "DAMIEN FALCO". Bravo!

[@futuremovieactor]

The shoe with the blade is there too. Also when the car is first brought out but not visible: “Maybe you’ve been down here too long.”

[@Gamingnstuff131]

They almost made Sean Connery Bond’s dad. That should’ve prompted them to fire Tamahori on the spot. That would’ve opened up a huge can of worms. That should’ve been enough to tell them he wasn’t right for the job. Unfortunately it took hitting rock bottom to prompt a major change.

[@leejones8582]

I laughed at that line

[@finch-island]

A lttle nitpick: The Alien in Alien³ was NOT CGI (only the one single shot where its skull cracks at the very end is). All other Alien shots were actually rod puppets (and/or other conventional effects) just very baaadly shot and composited.

[@justinplayfair4638]

Apparently no one under the age of 40 has ever seen an Alien³ BTS effects featurette. It's really annoying. Thanks for piping up O-punkt Änn!

[@sixdegreesofcrispybacon]

Came here to say much the same. But beat me to it. Can you train me to become a MIGHTY pirate instead then?

[@finch-island]

@@sixdegreesofcrispybacon Well... so there ARE three trials you see ...

[@sixdegreesofcrispybacon]

@@finch-island I can hold my breath for nearly ten-minutes. Will that help at all?

[@shinyphil87]

"What was THAT noise!?" - LOVE the Metal Gear Solid reference sneaked in to this rewatch! Great job as always, fellas.

[@hunterdavis9742]

I used to have a crappy site inspection job in Cornwall Ontario, so seeing Matt accidentally call out Cornwall, ON with the water tower picture made me happier than it should have.

[@johnpotts8308]

Thinking about the "Bond doesn't realise his gun wasn't loaded" makes me wonder why they didn't say Miranda had replaced his bullets with blanks - much less likely that a trained killer would notice that. Then Miranda could go "Shooting blanks again, James?" because they apparently needed to cram in every sexual innuendo they could!

[@Manae.L]

At some point between the posters being printed and the movie being released, I had to do a math project with a classmate. We both enjoyed Bond movies. We titled it "Diagram Another Day" and edited the poster to say that, photoshopped out the guns, and put a TI-89 in his hand. That's my best memory from this movie. The film itself? I couldn't even tell you when or where I saw it.

[@spideylover4105]

NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD

[@empath69]

That's a good memory, and actually better than mine of the one time I watched the film. Thank you!

[@THESP-rz3hg]

1:47:00 Joke spoiler- that is, a joke containing spoiler info, not a spoiler for a joke: For Frost making out the Bond: Frost is just delaying Bond waiting for Mr Kil to get over here and grab Bond so he doesn't escape. But PDAs make Kil uncomfortable, and doesn't come over. So she then needs to sleep with Bond until betraying him the next morning.

[@futuremovieactor]

“Ha! I can read your every move!” Come on, you gotta include the setup to the line too! :D

[@vanzonhl]

re: the helicopter falling @ 2:36:14 yes, that is exactly what would happen.. when you learn to fly a helicopter there is actually a safety drill that you have to do, where you go high up and then shut off the engine. And now, when the heli goes down the blades will start spinning again and you have to do an emergency landing. It's called autorotation.

[@steamcastle]

and it can be a really soft emergency landing if you get the timing right.

[@Winterpandacookies]

Both Graham and Matt are drinking sparkling water, but Graham is drinking from a can and Matt is drinking from a soda stream.

[@lordmanimani-]

The true connoisseur will recognize 2001-2002's hit game James Bond 007: Agent Under Fire as the superior 'Bond vs Evil Super Genetics' plot

[@dexv33]

Re: the helicopter starting up mid air. When a helicopter engine fails for some reason mid flight, if it's high enough, it can pitch the rotors to use the airflow to force them to begin rotating. Not only is it possible, helicopter pilots train to do it. It's called Autorotation. HOWEVER, it's a way of doing either a controlled crash landing by creating an air cushion or, if you're high enough, good enough, and lucky enough, give you time to get the engine restarted. Tl;dr Potentially possible with a trained pilot. Though given the angle it fell out the back of the plane, probably not.

[@sixdegreesofcrispybacon]

Not a CRASH landing. Just a landing! But, basically, can confirm. Yes. 👍

[@KintchD]

Thanks, I was about to comment on that as well, actually! :)

[@grennysohail]

I just realized they did not talk about the part of the initial chase where bond somehow got flipped upside down and started skidding on the side AT SPEED. and with a move straight from Goldfinger, opens the roof, engages the passenger ejector seat, and that NOT ONLY flips the car to being right side up but completely dodges a fired missile. After landing, magically regains traction and continues the chase into the building. Classic Over the Top action scene!

[@robonixon83]

"He's wearing one quarter of a Robocop." That one got me.

[@mikeyj10]

Only made it through hour one so far, but are we to ignore the fact that the actor who plays Gustav Graves is Maggie Smith’s son???

[@Aiijuin]

That’s actually a cool fact that I wasn’t t aware of. Cool! Thanks!

[@blofeld39]

He's also the BBC Radio James Bond!

[@FFKonoko]

@@blofeld39 they mentioned that several times and noted that the character basing himself on bond was funny as a result.

[@blofeld39]

@@FFKonoko Oh, I know; I DID listen to it. :-P

[@AmicaCream]

Thank you for mentionning i was disappointed when they didnt talk about it

[@futuremovieactor]

If they'd just made that final Moneypenny scene not an illusion AND the final scene of the movie, then this could’ve been way more acceptable a conclusion to the series. As is, it’s fine I guess.

[@confracto]

not only are helicopters designed to autorotate to safely land un-powered, I think it's mandatory flight training.

[@sixdegreesofcrispybacon]

It is indeed. You need to performing that maneuver in exam conditions even for just the basic licence. 👍🚁

[@actioncom2748]

54:40 - The hallway in the medical facility was a call back to the mirrors in Scaramonga's fun house in Man with the Golden Gun.

[@fredrikcarlstedt393]

I must say here that like Hugo Drax ( 1979 ) and Alex Trevelyan ( 1995 ) before him, Sir Gustav is another decomposite aspect of Sir Hugo Drax of Ian Flemings Moonraker from 1955 .

[@EricOrang]

I just want to comment that the Picture Matt G uses of Matt W, when he "quotes" him (like @1:17:39 ) is a picture that always makes me laugh.

[@Jabrwock]

2:00:00 There was a Tom Clancy book where they pulled a similar trick to "out" a double agent in the Secret Service, but they knew he was a well trained agent, so when he had his gun go through "decontamination", they swapped out the magazine with one that had bullets with no gunpowder in them, so the weight was very close, and at a glance they were identical, so they just went "pop" when he pulled the trigger during an assassination attempt as the primer went off but there was no gunpowder to ignite.

[@Divertedflight]

1:08:38 Bond is wearing a left handed fencers jacket but is right handed. There's a risk of the opponents sword point slipping through the fabric overlap area (even when closed) as the right hander will naturally be leading with his right side. The dresser probably thought it looked cooler this way as the visual line, reading left to right, leads upwards towards Bond's face.

[@Chasmodius]

The thing I have heard about helicopters in freefall (and I think Destin at Smarter Every Day went over this?) is that the falling action itself can impart a rotation to the blades, so as you near the ground, you're supposed to (and this is a thing they train, apparently) reverse the pitch of the blades, turning that rotation into downforce, saving your life (and possibly the helicopter). Whether you could _start_ the engine and get the blades spinning correctly while in freefall, I don't know. How it maintains correct orientation, I also don't know (maybe that's just the way they fall).

[@Chasmodius]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIXUpmyfgs6Df7c It looks like he was up in your neck of the woods (as if BC isn't huge!) at the time. Autorotation. Sounds crazy.

[@empath69]

Yeah, the term is "autorotation" and it's an flight technique with rotary aircraft to 'glide to survivable crash landing' if you lose engine power.

[@hauntedmoose411]

Hey, just a small favor; when we get to Quantum of Solace and have to revisit the bottom of the lists again, could you please scroll the lists so that we can see the movies around where we are looking? while the gag of "arrow pointing off screen to show how far we have fallen" was pretty great the first time, I missed being able to see the revlevent movies for comparison

[@oneuptheextraman]

I am just so amused that Roger Moore gave this movie some shade, and then acknowledged that he was the Bond that went into space. That is just so amusing to me.

[@jamesadamsfl]

Editor Matt: There's actually a reason they don't summon the Megazord at the start of the fight; Zordon forbid them from escalating the fight. Why Kil doesn't just kill Bond is a complete mystery. Matt Wiggins: I object to the description of Brosnan's Bond as a borderline psychopath. Connery's Bond was a full-blown psychopath. Craig's Bond (at least in Casino Royale) was a borderline psychopath. Brosnan seems to be playing his Bond as mostly emotionally healthy. I mean, the guy has damage, but he seems to also have a full working set of emotions and moral guidelines.

[@titanuranus3095]

41:56 Hey, is that the book of birds that Fleming got the name "James Bond" from? I cant tell, because there appear to be a bunch of scratches where the authors name would be.

[@benjamincook8479]

I think it is supposed to be, yes One of the subtler bits of writing in this movie

[@geranium44horse]

big fan of fall out boy showing up for the "fallout meme"

[@mattasmack]

Well done, Matt W, your description of why the water should still be really cold except for where the laser is directly heating it is right on.

[@BlueAster12]

This movie really gives me Batman & Robin vibes. Maybe it's Mr. Freeze.

[@ricardocantoral7672]

I'd still take it over Quantum.

[@torstikinnunen3801]

Bond is basically the English Batman.

[@futuremovieactor]

You can tell that with Die Another Day pertaining to Batman & Robin and also tell that The World is Not Enough is basically the Batman Forever too.

[@vegas_party_animal7737]

You really need to put that thought on ice and chill

[@futuremovieactor]

Thus the original Bond series comes to an abrupt and unexpected conclusion.

[@919ENTERTAINMENTLLC]

Like Snake Plissken...

[@tetsubo57]

The Korean DMZ has become an incredibly important nature preserve.

[@UpNextWithNickLate]

I'm surprised you guys didn't mention that Toby Stephens who plays Gustav Graves is actually the son of Maggie Smith. Incredible acting pedigree

[@CptRed]

On the bullet proof vest thing @~18:50. Being able to walk forward while holding a bullet proof vest that is being shot at is about as hard as walking forward while shooting a gun. The only thing I can think of that would make it harder is that you can't predict the recoil the same way.

[@duckrutt]

Ford owned Jaguar and Aston Martin at the time. Also Volvo but I don't remember if that's relevant and it's not worth watching it again to check.

[@JoaoPessoa86]

And Range Rover. They had an agreement with the franchise I think until Casino Royale or Quantum of Solace. It's why Jinx drives a then new Thunderbird

[@duckrutt]

@@JoaoPessoa86 Oh yeah I forgot about Rover. It's still an odd deal, usually 'the bad guys' drive vehicles from another company. I would have expected Chevrolet although Lamborghini was owned by Chrysler who are now part of the FIAT group so psychic future sight dig at them I guess?

[@JoaoPessoa86]

@@duckrutt it is odd but it looked like the deal must have been exclusivity with Ford because *ALL* the non background cars are Fords. When you realize it, you can't unsee it

[@Spookynoises125]

As always the video editing in these 'podcasts' kick it out of the park. The cut aways really make this podcast (and the other LRR podcasts that do this such as sidewalk slam).

[@chifii]

(not a helicopter expert) There is an emergency maneuver in helicopters that have lost engine power called autorotation, which basically uses the air falling past the blades to generate enough lift to act as a parachute so you don't just plummet into the ground...no clue if you can do it when the rotors are at a standstill (helicopters are weird, man).

[@steamcastle]

you likely could, you pitch the blads down that spins up the rotor and slows you down, then just before hitting the ground, you pitch the blades back up, turning the rotating back in to lift, and makes a soft landing.

[@Bloodn0k]

29:32 Griffiths, I love your work.

[@freman007]

"I'm going to live to die another day" would have been a better lyric.

[@mwmbiermans]

Love the podcast, this movie is... a lot, as you said. Let me weigh in on the band wagon that is 'this movie is not great' by pointing out what this movie gets massively wrong about MRI machines. As you noted: "and then the MRI gets turned on." That is not how an MRI works. You can't just turn an MRI on like that, an MRI is always on, unless it's not, and then you have to go through a meticulous and long startup procedure. An MRI operates at near absolute 0, so that a superconductor is achieved. Basically, an MRI is a massive electromagnet that uses very little power for the massive magnetic field it's generating. No magnetic material can enter an MRI room ever, because it will get stuck to the machine. Also, pulling a gun away from the machine once it's stuck, also not going to happen. Even Bond is not that strong.

[@disco_falcon1895]

I feel like Graham missed a trick by not saying that John Cleese had joined the "Q Continuum".

[@votekyle3000]

1:59:00 I think in the screenplay, or maybe the book, it’s implied that Miranda sabotaged the firing pin of Bond’s P99, something that would be very hard to observe without disassembling the gun.

[@nitehunter91]

Great idea, lousy execution

[@Yul_Brynner]

@2:16:00 Yes, Zhao will be very cold. The Water will still be 0 degrees once melted, and the fact that it's immediately in contact with ice, means that it is unlikely to have warmed above 0, at all.

[@DeltaDemon1]

For the helicopter, it is definitely possible as long as the blades can be rotated a bit, the air running through the falling chopper makes the blades rotate faster and faster resulting in a less damaging crash. This is as long as the chopper falls from a high enough altitude. This has been done in combat (Vietnam) and has alot of caveats for it to work. It ends in a not so soft landing but survivable.

[@sixdegreesofcrispybacon]

Should end in a *perfectly* soft landing if you're doing it right! (In the real world, civilian aviation, that is. Part of the licence exam.)

[@DeltaDemon1]

@@sixdegreesofcrispybacon Should...Never does

[@sixdegreesofcrispybacon]

@@DeltaDemon1 🙀😆

[@Divertedflight]

Wasn't the name James Bond originally taken from a writer about birds?

[@johnpotts8308]

Yep. Just like Blofeld was named after a friend of his from school (father of Henry Blofeld, the cricket commentator).

[@duncanharrison4994]

That is one of two theories. The other one is that Bond was named after James C. Bond, a Welsh soldier in Fleming's unit during WWII.

[@spyboy1964]

If you look at that scene carefully, you will see that Bond is not only holding a book about birds of the west indies, but holding the book written by the man that Fleming named him after James Bond. The author's name is on the book but it is scratched out, though you still see the name vaguely under the scratches. Interesting that these 2 so-called Bond experts didn't point that out. P.S. - I saw a filmed interview with Ian Fleming from the early sixties where he admitted that he named Bond after that guy.

[@blofeld39]

@@johnpotts8308 Scaramanga was the surname of two brothers he went to school with.

[@spyboy1964]

Sean Connery has played James Bond 8 times if you count the From Russia With Love video game. P.S. - that would be a span of over 40 years

[@benroberts2222]

2:36:30 Matt's right, it's called autorotation. From what little I know about helicopters it sounds plasusible

[@384tp]

The hall of mirrors may have been a call back to Scaramanga's funhouse in 'The Man with the Golden Gun'

[@Gamingnstuff131]

It was. Unfortunately, it didn’t age too well. The mirrors of TMWTGG aged better surprisingly. Probably because you can understand it being appropriate for the period in which it was made. It also worked better with the tone of that movie. The spinning mirrors with DNA helixes in DAD was borderline stupid then and with every year it certainly gets worse. It also feels at odds with the movie. DAD is extremely silly but it also wants to be taken seriously. This works as well as combining water and electricity.

[@ricardocantoral7672]

@@Gamingnstuff131 I know many state that the film falls apart when Bond is in Iceland but I disagree. The moment James discovers that clinic, the film is FUBAR.

[@Gamingnstuff131]

@@ricardocantoral7672 oh that is a good point.

[@Aiijuin]

It’s either that, or the Dr. was a Bruce Lee fan. The mirrors literally looked identical to the mirror scene in “Enter the Dragon.”

[@Xondar11223344]

@@Gamingnstuff131 The mirrors made sense in the context of the film for TMWTGG.

[@darkshadow1416]

Random note I had to post since I noticed it. At 1:02:08 the books on the desk appear to be the Folio Society edition of "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire."

[@adrianjorgensen3750]

Rewatching this episode I think the best way to describe “Die Another Day” is to quote MacBeth. “It is a tale told by an idiot. Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

[@jayharyu927]

Your editor is incredible.

[@Jabrwock]

2:35:00 Helicopter pilots are trained to land a helicopter when the engine stops midair. It's called auto-rotation. 5,000 feet of height supposedly gives you about 6 km of glide distance. At 200 km/h (terminal velocity, hard to tell how fast they're actually falling) that's at least 100 seconds, plenty of time to get the engine started.

[@Bucketroo]

So the reason Die Another Day is all XTREEM and gnarly and stuff is simple. It's because of xXx (2002, starring Vin Diesel). That movie gave the Bond franchise a kick in the ass and basically killed a Bond-alike in the opening scene (white tuxedo at a Rammstein concert? I THINK NOT!) So EON overcorrected and went extreme and it didn't work.

[@ricardocantoral7672]

"Bond is for old people, brah !".

[@nitehunter91]

All they needed to do was expanding his wardrobe.

[@LadyLockwood92]

Ah, xXx aka the movie where Vin Diesel shit talks a boat.

[@ILikePi31415926535]

Man being a young Millennial I managed to have this be my first bond film. In retrospect so many of the movies I liked as a kid were the worst in their series, like This, Terminator 3, Jurassic Park 3, etc.