Yes... Tekken Is A Very Hard Game To Learn

[@XiaoGege]

TMM has been pondering about this since he fought the special style Jin player.

[@coutiya2007]

He actually lost a matxh😂....CHESTO!!!🤣🤣

[@flyingfrogofdeath9616]

I was there. Too funny 😂😂😂

[@Ambience31]

😂😂😂

[@Omega_Star_]

"he's gonna do a low," eats a mid "time for heatsmash", eats a low TMM: WHAT IS THIS GUY DOING !!

[@isaacmoore1616]

LMAOOOO

[@specter_of_thestars2500]

When someone side stepped my electric in T7 I felt so helpless.

[@dazenzei]

Real

[@3quivox]

Real

[@Panamaniax507]

I can’t even pull off an electric consistently and I’ve been practicing since launch

[@kickass2733]

@@Panamaniax507and you probably won’t be able for a few months. Maybe even years

[@pho3n1xr1sing]

In a way i kinda miss the later days of T7 like i was genbu and nobody really mashed at those ranks it wasnt pros but it waa more about knowledge now im red rank and getting mashed into oblivion by azucena players who just never seem to be minus

[@BorkBigFrighten2]

One thing that FrameWhisperer said in a video that really stuck with me was, "If you're working on improving your punishment, and in a match you duck/block and properly punish an attack, as far as you're concerned, you won that match." Really helped improve my patience, not just in Tekken, but in other fighting games, too.

[@DemonSaine]

it’s those small goal achievements mid match that really keep me going. setting a goal for yourself each match is too helpful not to be a part of the game itself with like daily challenges in fps games

[@tranceaddict11]

I heard this alot as a technique to improve, my problem is for whatever reason, when the game gets going, I get caught up more on winning than my personal goals. Idk how to shake that off lol, I maybe need to lower the objectives and write them down, my brain just defaults to "oh nah he did what? youre getting these hands now"

[@ThiefofCrystals]

This is sincerely such a fantastic way of putting it, I never really thought of it like that. Hopefully this can improve my own patience too! Seriously enjoying this game but I've been a little scatterbrained and burned out with fighting games lately. Lots of questioning if I'm really cut out to improve with them.

[@ThiefofCrystals]

@@tranceaddict11 I really feel this lol, I find it fairly difficult to avoid just focusing on winning and taking it poorly when I don't. I try to remember that I'm missing several building blocks to reach the point that I reliably win, and that winning itself is more a result and not the goal. Here's hoping we can both keep at it and push through!

[@sLasHeRxXx07]

Quickly punishing how your enemy plays seems easier said in my case 😅

[@TheFightingGame_Network]

I’m green and was winning all the time until last night. I was fighting a hwang that kept high kicking until I ducked. Once I ducked he mixed up his strings. Kudos to that guy because he taught me more then I have learned since the launch

[@coolkid350]

That's a great mentality to have, win or lose there is something to learn about. You're gonna get far with this game with that kind of attitude 🙏

[@rapschised]

It really is the best feeling and I’m glad you have that perspective! You’re on the right path. Long time tekken player and I remember learning SF6 as my first street fighter matching with a high rank player just jumping and exposing my inability to anti-air. I lost 40 in a row but wow it was so fun to see myself improve after that and focus on anti-airing much more consistently after that.

[@NYG5]

I like when players surprise you by adapting to your game and flipping you on your head. Even after 14 years of playing this game online, guys will lock down what worked for me in this first game and force me to learn.

[@alistairblaire6001]

Reminds me of the Aris video where he teaches someone in ranked how to block punish lows

[@zet4533]

There s dogshit degenerate kids who only use 4 moves on Law in Garyu that have 0 clue about game, no movement at all stand at yall face I just mash mid jab and D4 or grab to stop his powercrush to dead

[@Vospi]

07:19 I confirm the 1000hrs vs 100 hrs argument. For sure.

[@cherryboywriter6299]

I got into Tekken 7 super late with my friend and as I improved I also got really confused on just how exactly that was even possible. I was being some people with hundreds of wins until it started making sense that they just didn't study the game.

[@nnagara7127]

​@@cherryboywriter6299 every rank division there's that one guy with 5k wins lol

[@holyother1]

@@nnagara7127Tekken 7 I ran into a katarina in suzaku with 23k wins

[@Squidward-jv7go]

Throwback to tekken 7 with 5000 win players in high ranks that literally repeated the exact same flowcharts and never punished or used any movement

[@steviegreenthumb4720]

@@Squidward-jv7go the fucking katarina mains filling green and yellow with 3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3 and never getting out lmao. Or maybe it was her 4 idk one of them, never played her lol

[@sheeeeeeesh6021]

My 30% wr green rank kazuya main ass needed to hear this.

[@lasanga3822]

😂 same boat man, just had to take a break from getting my ass handed to me.

[@cbimz]

Keep going and you will improve

[@sheeeeeeesh6021]

I'm dominator now 💪

[@Tigertamer01]

Red yet?​@@sheeeeeeesh6021

[@Moath_j]

What about now

[@dubuious]

i love tekken because i don't even need to win to have fun. as long as i do something small that i set myself to do like duck a string that i was looking for, i'm immediately happy

[@HellCat_Kenny]

Based small victories mindset 😌

[@anarchicnerd666]

Maining Leo, it's my first Tekken game and first fighting game, made it to Combatant rank. It's brutal dealing with mashers, and it's definitely a struggle to learn execution, matchups, throw breaks AND learning to deal with mashers. My loss rate is honestly 70% or higher... but I'm not giving up :) Learning is a mega challenge, but seeing yourself improve over time is an adrenaline rush like nothing else. And when you don't find a masher, matches are incredible XD It's those moments that make T8 unbelievably addictive, it's a rush worth chasing. But yeah, make no mistake - it's damn hard.

[@sqrawnee7696]

That's why I posted my Steve videos on KZbin I can clearly see progression from a year to now although I haven't made much vids cus I don't have a system to run T8 but ill be back to posting sooner or later

[@theoblitz3054]

Add me as a tekken friend darkinfinity13, I main Leo as well. I can help you with the game plan,matchups and combos

[@Zippyd00da132]

Here's a tip from one Leo player to another: You dont necessarily need to learn Korean back dash to move around. I'm a Shiryu that uses the poor man's back dash. Back, back, down, back, back, down etc. Its perfectly fine to move around like this. You can learn kbd anytime and apply it whenever. As for moves to use. Down forward 4 is really good for poking. Dont be afriad to throw out Knk 3,4 for the mix up. Lots of new Leo's like to go low so defy that trend. Down back 4,1is great but don't overuse it. You can be launched punished on block. Try going for a safe mid after a sweep, like down forward 1, and go from there. OR you can use down forward 2 for a combo if you see that they don't punish your df2. Down 2 is also great, even on block, as you have lots of plus frames. Try df2 after d2 and if it hits then that means they were blocking low or they were trying to mash out a move that's not fast enough, which most characters don't have after blocking a d2 from Leo. Forward forward 2 is also a great offensive and whiff punish tool, though higher skilled players will punish it. I got one more. Another great thing about Leo is 2,2. It comes out at 11 frames, which is typically the second fastest move of mostly all characters. This move does great damage for what it is, and it's strength is that you can use it a little mindlessly. Don't know if something is punishable? 2,2 for great damage. It's easy to remember and spamabble if your opponent is just throwing out moves. Forward 2,2 is also a great whiff punisher. Don't let them block it though 👀

[@Scum-xi]

definitely go in the replays and rewatch fights it gives you tips that are hard to learn otherwise

[@BigDaddyWes]

Baby steps.

[@acescapereality7892]

Tekken 8 is still a defensive game. If you know how to answer to their offense, thats where the climbing starts. Mashers will plateau easily at a certain point but once you slow it down and block more, duck highs, sidestep, and adapt, thats where Tekken strives. You could literally have a subpar combo but as long as you have a staple combo, a certain wall carry combo, wall combo, and defense, you can easily get to Mighty Ruler. After that is just polishing your skill and more labbing to exceed further beyond. Combos are important too for maximizing damage but poking can mitigate that so easily that you wont have to rely on those big launches that are both unreliable and unsafe in order to win rounds. If you truly want to win more games and climb, play defense. Dont focus too much on offense or else you'll get blown up whenever you are minus frames.

[@shyguy4617]

Honestly its so funny to start learning a matchup and coming to the realization that the person your playing vs only knows like 1 knowledge check, I feel like devil Jin just promotes me to mix up stuff and play a little slower outside of the knock down situations where I can just go for mix

[@sLasHeRxXx07]

Stuck at Tenryu and still struggling on how to adjust to an enemy

[@FlightX101]

Yup in this game do everything you can to AVOID getting launched as those are basically 45-50 percent of your health bar. Take small hits and lows are OK. Just relax and your turn will come to attack

[@boogie8586]

​@@sLasHeRxXx07 try noticing patterns, what moves they have habits for, what strings they rely on, and once you have a (admittedly) small concept of what exactly you're up against you can make micro adjustments in your own game to respond to the common situations you're presented with.

[@boogie8586]

​@sLasHeRxXx07 but personally what helped me get high ranks was spending less time practicing my character and more time practicing all the match ups. Learning punishes against EVERY character will probably push you further than someone who's better than you with your main, but lacks the match up knowledge

[@Silverwind1989]

Tekken can be difficult to learn but it's so rewarding at the same time.

[@harry1178]

Reminds me of myself in Tekken 7 with my 100 hours destroying players with 2 000-3 000 hours all day long lol.

[@Silverwind1989]

​@harry1178 My maximum rank and potential for T7 was tekken king for Paul and Dragunov even when I thought I could never get pass green ranks.

[@steveholt5115]

@@harry1178liar

[@harry1178]

​@@Silverwind1989I don't remember which rank I was, just that I was consistently kicking asses of people with more than 30 times more hours than me.

[@The_Humble_Hurricane]

You speak as if the two subjects aren't literally related. It's extremely rewarding BECAUSE it's so difficult. It's principle. Any and everything you work hard for are most often satisfactory, while things obtained easily are most often taken for granted.

[@Qbone_]

I felt like this was directed literally at me. Totally understand what tmm is saying you can't cheap your way through the game. Now I've reached warrior with kaz I've hit a limit and cannot do shit until I learn the match ups. Thank you tmm if I didn't realise it now I would hated the game without trying to actually learn the game. This is why he is the best tekken content creator even watching his old vids on this stuff really helped aswell.

[@KoufalKoufax]

are you relying on 50/50 too much with kaz?

[@FlightX101]

brah im in the mid ranks and people are good as shit lol. I cant imagine the high and top ranks

[@Gibbidens]

It's pretty evenly distributed from Garyu to Mighty Ruler as I've seen for the time being, which is kinda the middle spot where I'm in right now. One tip: throw more. Not to win specifically, just to frustrate your opponent on opening them a bit. If it so happens that they got a good defence, it wil break them a little and you'll get some relief from their pressure. It just works because no one is perfectly trained to punish everything. Good luck and careful with the ducks 😎

[@mdbr2]

I felt that. I have been playing the game for more than 25 years (only took it seriously 5 years ago), and reached Mighty Ruler in T8. I just came out of a Zafina match where I was completely destroyed by this guy who only started in T7, mainly because I didn't know what to do against her stances. Even if you are not mashing your way to victory, some people think they are better at the game just because they played it longer. Never fall into the trap of overestimating yourself. There's always something new to learn in Tekken. It is what makes this game both frustrating and rewarding.

[@GThunder_Gaming]

as a guy that started playing in Tekken 7 and started his pro journey at the same game the most underrated thing when learning tekken is labbing every single character in this game. During the pandemic all I did was just play every single character and understand their gameplan and best moves it's one of the best feelings when you've reached peak tekken where it's all about mind games and no longer about knowledge check.

[@foreveruseless1292]

Real

[@Kerps123]

The beginning statement is so true. Watched a dark souls streamer play Victor mashing 2 and he felt so good. He was saying how he was gonna grind the game and become a high level player because, he was climbing the ranks so fast. Then he hit a wall and he doesn't play anymore.

[@samuelebertolotto8169]

Imagine playing souls and quitting Tekken because it's too hard

[@C3l3bi1]

@@samuelebertolotto8169 lol imagine thinking dark souls is hard, it comes down two dodge roll and hit, its super simple. compare that to tekken its not even close playing against people is waaaaaay harder then unfair ai bosses

[@samubertolotto]

​@@C3l3bi1 the joke was exactly what you said, souls lovers think that they play the hardest games in history but then they quit in tekken

[@DjGo99]

@@samubertolottofighting games are the hardest games to master at the highest level.

[@TrueYankeeFan]

​@@samubertolottoI'm a hardcore Souls fanboy who has been in love with Tekken 8... just want to chime in and say that there are Souls players who understand those games aren't THAT hard - in fact one of my favorite things about them is that you can sort of choose your own difficulty (if you're stuck, grind levels, upgrade your gear, etc.). The whole difficulty thing was pushed for marketing purposes and it's been overblown over the years, and unfortunately there's always gonna be elitists who ego trip off their favorite games.

[@PG-20]

As a humble newcomer Jin main, I just mastered my first proper combo. It feels so good to do it. And I’m trying to sidestep and crouch block more.

[@animastudio5776]

Same here! Tekken 8 is my first Tekken game and I main Jin (he’s just so cool). I’m a bit apprehensive about playing ranked matches. I prefer to familiarize myself with the controls first so I don’t end up being the guy who mashes buttons randomly

[@Samura5555]

Keep going brother, this game will be insanely fun as you learn more and more of the depth of it ☺️

[@DiegoXRA]

Good Luck 👍

[@TheFlyingChungus]

I'm glad Diaphone gets more exposure. A gem in the FGC for sure

[@yoshitsune5691]

Frfr

[@GIR177]

Meaningful long term progress > cheap short term victories

[@crisisjack]

Some people develop a cute little strategy and rack up wins. The moment someone with knowledge of the character comes along and counters everything, they don't want to run it back. Tekken 8's learning tools are really good now and capture what players need to improve.

[@SPARTON0Weezy]

I used to get DUSTED by mashers and all of a sudden in T7 I got used to the cheese and then when you encounter a masher you know how to adjust and yer GOOD! Been in Ranked almost in purple with Lee and it’s HILARIOUS to run into one and watch them hard backstep waiting to hit a rage art, not blocking low, etc.

[@BillDaBigChief]

Totally true. Best video, to be brutally honest with the new players. Surface knowledge only takes you so far. There are a lot of ceilings you're going to hit in this game.

[@Mkl-b7t]

It's like marshal law users that think sweep and backflip kicks is a sure win love bursting there bubble 🤣🤣🤣

[@steethecookie4387]

I swear nothing hits like low parry followed by a full combo punish. Feels so rewarding knowing you did it without spaming and completely intentionally.

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

Have you played Tekken 8? Because I've got some bad news for you😂

[@CAPSLOCKING]

Picked victor cause I thought he looked neat. Came from other fighters so was trying to learn and definitely not trying to mash. I was learning optimal combos, paying attention to my own frame data etc. That character still taught me some of the worst bad habits because his tools are so busted and I realized I was learning super bad habits as I was in the red ranks. I was still climbing but the second people started really punishing me my matches were very, very hard. And I really barely understood any matchups, it was truly feeling like I was getting lucky or just had better tools than them. I went to play another character, messed around with Claudio, Leo, Feng and holy SHIT I suck at Tekken. I'm getting smacked by greens.

[@Kreasddjb]

Thats the way, i am getting smacked by jins spamming electric but i feel nice about it. I know i will be there laughing at all these players in a year or so

[@DE4DZONE]

I'm so glad I found this video, I'm a brand new Tekken player and picked up King and noticed I was just stomping people with throws/chain throws at first, but I wasn't LEARNING anything. So I started slowing down and kind of letting my opponents mash on me so I could defend and punish during my green rank journey. Just got to red ranks and I'm feeling good even though the competition is rapidly getting better and better.

[@Diaphone]

Senpai noticed me 😲. Keep up the great content !

[@GramdalfFGC]

Coming from Street fighter I’ve been taking it slowly, trying to learn but you’re right it’s frustrating losing to mashers. I only let it bother me when they use special style, not when they start with it but when they switch to it halfway through .

[@salami155]

Damn they switched mid match? 🤣

[@AceDRenegade]

@@salami155I’ve had it happen to me too! Very frustrating / funny to see

[@DayFul]

TBF drive rush has made SF feel way more unga especially the likes of Ken and Cammy, It's a similar feeling.

[@yoshitsune5691]

@@DayFulmaster rank juri here, u can check the drive rush, I honestly getting sick of people complaining about it, because day one pros was annoyed with it, but stayed silent once they figured out how to beat it. There’s multiple! Ways to beat drive rush, the real issue is, low forward into drive rush short, because u have to eat the mixup.

[@Musmayrelchup01]

Naw dont be mad, just take it as a moral win as you put them through the wringer and they got desperate lol

[@simonrocky2242]

I have like 100 hours in tekken 7 and this is my first tekken game I’ve played since launch. When I started learning the game with my friend he was messing around with steve and hit me with a snake charmer and I screamed so loud cause I thought it was so cool, I didn’t feel confident to learn him in 7 but with 8 coming out I just decided to put in the effort to learn him. I’ve never gotten so crapped on so much in this game and I won’t lie I’ve gotten so freaking angry. But I can see that a lot of these people are just like Mainman says, they’re literally just spammers and it’s a matter of learning the characters. ILL MAKE YOU PROUD MAINMAN. DONT MISS ME WINNIN.

[@Pavidota]

I felt like I truly ascended after having played against 10000 dragunovs and reinas and slowly learning the matchup and feeling confident afterwards, just to be put against a shaheen for the first time in my life and I got sat down real quick

[@nathanman1326]

this video is so real, i’ve been experiencing this a little bit as i get into higher ranks, thanks for making this video if u see this. it motivates me to keep pushing forward

[@NeonTubeGaming]

Love the take. As a brand new spanking player, it is definitely so much fun yet so frustrating to learn and pick-up the game and I can see why it's so easy to develop an unhealthy/bad mindset. I've been bodied so many times online lmao but I still love learning and applying what I've learned (punishes, 'good moves', juggles, etc.) in actual practice. Hell, just yesterday I learned how to literally roll/learn to get up better from the ground and I'm still having trouble quickly processing notations and terminology! I really liked the Jin segment, I think that's literally how I'm approaching the game and hopefully developing good/better habits to become a better player.

[@leewick7561]

Best video. Holy shit. Started off with victor. Realized I wasn’t learning anything, cause the character has combos that play itself. Switched to Claudio of all people, and man was it a wake up call. But damn instead of spamming, I now know WTH is going on most games, and what I can and can’t punish. Spacing is so important. New player here btw. Only fear is Claudio’s future in tekken seems to now be in the gray area. Lol

[@luminuslux]

i mean thats just almost every fighting game in general, ppl use cheese until they meet the person that knows how to counter whatever strategy. at that point u might get frustrated, but having your strategies beaten and being forced to find ways to avoid getting punished hard, is probably the nr1 learning factor. as long as u dont give up and keep adapting u will get better

[@qxpn9220]

It’s easier to pick up a shooting game than a fighting game. Because you really WANT to learn and get good at it by going into training. I told my cousins if y’all don’t like training mode then just don’t get the game unless you’re playing playing for story mode💀 it’s not the combos that are hard it’s the mental stack that you must have after you know your combos by muscle memory.

[@luminuslux]

@@qxpn9220 in my opinion this depends a lot on the type of person you are. besides learning the basic moveset of characters, i didnt use training mode much when i started out ages ago. literally just learned everything by fighting alot of ppl and getting better this way, without any knowledge of frames etc. Combos in all 3D fighters are by far one of the easiest things to learn compared to diverse 2D fighters and anybody who thinks only combos will make them good, will hit a big roadblock at some point. Becoming a fundamentally strong player usually is way superior to a player that just tries some random launchers with a big combo - its also way more demanding to. I also think becoming fundamentally good is way faster and easier to achieve by playing online, instead of just going to practice mode/watch replays.

[@theWIIISEguy]

Big point of focus i think MANY people should REEEEEAALLY take into account. @3:55 TMM talks about short term glory and the cognative dissonance associated with the realization youre not as good as YOU hyed yourself up to be. It DOESNT have to be that way or at the very least it doesn't have to be that bad. You can be the person that works at your own pace, stays humble and genuinely grinds. You can be happy with the small things, instead of obsessing over the Wins and Losses. You dont HAVE to become that person who searches for the easy outs and never applies themselves only to end up frustrated and miserable when things get rough! Thats a LIFE LESSON btw. Fighting games are deep af.

[@knightmareGS]

I got my ass beat for a week straight Around 250 games a day in T7. With all the knowledge i gained from the asswhooping i took it made even the matchups i dont know easier because i can visually see what im getting beat by. Thanks Ernest and J'lon for teaching me such an incredible game!

[@LiLi_mains]

The pure satisfaction when you learn something and apply in an actual match and it works is just next level in tekken

[@SPARTAN_RUS]

No one described my exact feelings about the fighting games as you. Really. Whole point of them is not only wining - no, the real point is get dopamine after doing some cool small things during the match itself. The things, that u have learned after thousands losses, after thousands spammers that left no other way to you exept improving yourself. I love my main, i just love my Yoshimitsu and that's why im playing Tekken 8.

[@BruhMoment-oz9cf]

This is me right now, stuck at fujin rank (I’m a Reina main btw) and im on a bad losing streak and I’m always pondering after every loss “am I bad at this game” slowly starting to realize I’m not and I’m still learning just as much as someone at green rank

[@ericgrose9403]

I find that I prioritized execution over win record. Especially now when losing don’t feel as bad, in this game, as in tekken 7.

[@carloshernandez3177]

This has historically happened to Law, Bryan, Asuka and King Players. Law and bryan get their "50/50" snake edge orbital blocked, asukas parry baited or use elbows knees etc. And king players face players who break every throw on reaction lol

[@pensologohesito]

You basically defined why I like the game so much. The game with how much content it has, it will always feel fresh. Every person plays the characters differently too. As a new player I’m in love with it. I like hard games too (fell in love with the Souls series as well), and Tekken might be right now my favorite FG. To someone who loves to learn new things, Tekken is amazing.

[@SolidSonicTH]

All of you are talking about how proud you are of your progress and where you've come from to where you are now and I'm trying to figure out where my enthusiasm has gone. I didn't take any shortcuts and now my execution and skill are so much above where I came from but I also feel tired and detached. I thought I wanted great opponents (win or lose, as long as I had a close fight that made me think and nothing felt certain for either side is the greatest feeling I've had playing Tekken) but even that seems to feel fleeting now. I feel like that masher just chasing their next easy target but for me I don't even know what I'm looking for anymore. The height of my investment in the series seems to have been Tekken Tag 2 but my finest hour came in 7 and I feel like the dissonance between when I had fun and when I got good has affected the enjoyment I get.

[@shiestyworld218]

this is exactly why im sticking with kazuya. This is my first tekken 8. Im winning alot but im losing just as much but im learning alot every game

[@shiestyworld218]

tekken 8 is my first tekken *

[@sO_RoNerY]

Winning because of the character that backs a bit of damage. Haha. Yeah, until they figure out the match up. Which isn’t hard.

[@shiestyworld218]

@@sO_RoNerY What is your point?

[@luxsolis2]

what he means is if you want to win more than lose, pick Mishima. if you want to get destroyed in later ranks, pick Law, because most of his attacks are mids and highs and have ridiculous punish when blocked frames for characters fighting him. only a couple of good lows but most of the combos are easy to block and at this point, they basically ruined the character. of course there are worse characters than him but I can’t seem to beat someone with him once they figure out how to block lows. his special moves are easily interrupted. but hey that’s just what I see. I still win some but it’s so hard when I keep fighting Jun, Reina, Victor, Bryan, pretty much any character that is really good

[@anthonychase6906]

They are talking nonsense. Stay with your favorite character. @@shiestyworld218

[@MegaCityGhost]

Thank you. That was very motivating, actually. This is the exact philosophy I stuck to for the last year since I started playing T7 and, not gonna lie, I was about to give up multiple times. In my mind I understood everything you said in this video, but it's oh SO HARD to stick to it when you continue to lose to laggy Law spammers for months and months on end, not being able to even get into green ranks. It took every bit of resolve I had to go on. But eventually I started having fun, even when I lost. And appreciating the things my opponent did right, and immediately recognizing the things I did wrong. And then I finally started winning. It's an amazing feeling when you finally begin to recognize the situations and react to them accordingly. That moment is exactly when you see the full extent of the road ahead. And it's intimidating. But oh so exciting. And please, don't shut up hella scrupman XD The commentary you've been doing lately during your matches is very informative, sometimes even enlightening. And of course, entertaining. So more of that, please.

[@swage8566]

perfect timing on the video, ive been struggling with all the azucena and lili matchups in green ranks trying to learn but now i feel pumped to keep learning reina and dragunov (will tmm forgive me if i want to learn alisa as well though)

[@ssjmura1654]

I had one of those knowledge check moments the other day. I had been labbing a mixup. Got into a match against a Shinryu, 3 ranks above me. Won the first set, lost the rematch, second rematch was 2-2 and I was feeling the pressure. Then a voice in the back of my head said, "Do the mixup now!" Did the mixup, got the launch and won the match. I rarely pop-off in games but it felt really good to see my labbing pay off.

[@finfen9730]

Solid advice TMM. Listen to him everyone. There are no shortcuts in tekken so take the time and enjoy your path to mastery rather than victory. High level tekken is so so so damn fun and worth the journey.

[@francoGomez111]

There is a shortcut but it leads to dissatisfaction, the slow but painful way leads to years of glory

[@HoopLists]

This explains why I get so amazed whenever I duck punish, sidestep punish. I never knew why I enjoy the game when I lose half of my matches and still keep playing. Wow. I thought it was just all about the win. It's great to have someone like you mainman.

[@sakimiyanaga6251]

"Do you think the mashers are having fun?"- short answer, yes. Mashers, and frame trappers don't play to get good. They come home from work, pick the game up, and go online for a quick fix of dopamine. They're not going to bother rematching anyone who knows the match up. They know they bought a game and a game's fundamental purpose is provide entertainment. What you're saying is obvious. If you spend time learning something then you will inevitably become better at it. But not everyone picked this game up to become the next Knee, or the next Arslan. Some just wanted to dress up as Big Boss on Victor and do easy to perform flashy moves. If that's what's fun for them who are we to tell them that they're wrong? As diaphone said, this game is easy if you just want to have fun, and hard if you actually want to get good.

[@Daemon1233]

And this is applied to any fighting game. For example:Honda spam headbutt or Sheeva stomp spam. Any fg is spammable.

[@sakimiyanaga6251]

@@Daemon1233 Exactly! It's like saying those dolphin spamming Mays aren't having the time of their lives shouting 'Totsugeki' every 5s.

[@darksphere4679]

this was honestly. a video i needed to see. cause i only got into the FGC 3 years ago. and im really inexperienced with tekken cause ive been playing other fighters. and i have really focused on winning and racking up wins not really for an ego boost but as a form of validation. a sign that maybe i have somthing going here however every single loss ive had hurts that much more cause i end up taking it personally and in tekken 8 against mashers it feels even worse cause im in that pit of frustration of trying to learn the game but getting my ass handed to me with just random button mashing in the lower ranks. i think i do probably need to step back and figure out what i want from this game and focus on fun instead of taking every single little thing extra personal.

[@Meltdownlv100]

Got 3-0'd yesterday by Reina. She mashed the same thing over and over again and I had no idea how to beat it. It was upsetting but I kept calm and changed my gameplan. Wound up destroying her in the next two matches. These were green ranks btw

[@futureflora]

this is the way

[@SD-mi2vc]

Always come back to this video

[@masontem7526]

Hi MainMan, thanks for these types of videos. I wanted to learn hwoarang because i found him cool and honestly i feel good that im a slow learner because itll help long term. I may lose a lot now but having fundamentals is way more valuable then winning. To all my fellow low ranks may we all make it someday

[@YMan-zo5kg]

I’m a casual player that comes from mk and sf. For my first Tekken game and barely touching online, I really like a lot of the buttons and combos more in this. I actually feel like a lot of bnb combos and mixups aren’t too hard to execute either as I’ve been practicing. I think it is really the 3D aspect, movement, and matchups that will make playing this game difficult for me. Also I’m usually a player that likes to space people out and punish, but I feel like the punish windows in this game are so much shorter than the others I’ve played.

[@Netami923]

The annoying thing about these mashers is when you face them it's like trying to beat a cpu who keeps doing the same patterns and you don't feel like you've taught them a lesson when you beat them cause they will play the exact same way vs the next guy

[@isaacmendez1529]

Word, that feeling of learning a matchup is so fire

[@Bagszszs]

Can confirm I’ve ended 9+ win streaks against spammer red rank Azu and victor players. Literally all they do is mash 2/3 moves and once you work it out they have no idea what to do

[@aohdakibussubara8820]

Not the only content creator who’s made this type of video, it’s good to see so many people saying the same thing for the new players and even experienced

[@ZolPsyko]

Wanted to take things a little slower in quick match to learn the game a little bit more but I started running into Purple rank players ki charging/teabagging me with Dragunov and Victor. That type of stuff kept me from sticking to most fighting games.

[@jovasmav]

Ranked games are actually better to match you with similar skilled players

[@ImpurestClub]

As someone totally new to Tekken this was the video I needed. Thank you 🙏

[@bitterthenu7278]

This is where im at right now. Im just a fair Kazuya player who cant electric or wave dash. Im losing to Victors, Ravens, Devil Jins, etc who mash and never let off the gas. I practice my mix ups, combos, pokes, but then some dude who just goes sicko mode beats me cuz im overwhelmed. Ill learn how to counter 1 characters mashes but then the next character comes along and then the mashing beats me again.

[@Musmayrelchup01]

Thats fine dude, I cant either, but you can still find success following the gameplan. Being able to get in and force the 50/50 or whiff punishing are skills you dont need wavu or electrics for! :3

[@Terminator-ht3sx]

@abdulkarimelnaas7595gotta use df1 and jabs to check their pressure and create plus frames for yourself if they hit to set up your good slower moves or even using the frames to move away and set up for a whiff punish

[@djibrilr6s]

Do the 112 and while standing punish consistently you'll be alright

[@TruthLoveCourage777]

You hit it right on the head it's the reason fighting games are niche and might never become mainstream but will be better and more fulfilling than other genres because of how satisfying it is to break through and make it feel like you're in a real fight mentally with the other player. If you trained in real life at fighting there are risks and you could hurt each other idk I like when is civilized competition.

[@soltrashman654]

man tekken is hard but i've gotten so much better sense i started playing tekken 7. I was stuck in green for years but now i got red with Bryan, I really had to learn to mix-ups my timing with hatchet kick and droped snake edge i feel so much better but man. started blocking dumb lows and won way more than before. plus started winning MU i could never in 7, thanks mainman your videos really did help improve my gameplay

[@Boom_OH]

Congrats!

[@caution4455]

Just realised I have gotten into Tekken 8, found this channel watched over 20 videos and haven't subscribed. This is such a well earned sub man. You have a new big fan from the UK

[@NICK199855]

Putting your game on VERY HARD and studying all the fighters helped me. Very challenging but if you want to get good at counters and punishes. I recommend

[@TheMegaTronKwam]

I do something similar. Every fighting game that I play, I have a best of 3 matches with every character at every single difficulty. This takes up more playtime for me than matches with actual people.

[@chronology556]

No shit, you learn the game faster exploring the whole cast and you get a general feel of the frame data and hit boxes, instead of just staring at frame data lists and Hitbox viewers.

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

The opponent AI in Tekken is usually brain-dead so IDK if that's a strategy you should be implementing in T8

[@kian26master]

Problem with that is even though you set the Ai to very hard they have a set program. A human player you don't know.

[@waterelementX]

I'm just a low rank scrub new to Tekken but this was great to hear. I'm playing Lili after losing a bet and I have like 3 combos and a list of moves sorted by frame punish under my belt and I'm in a loss streak learning all the match ups while trying to slow myself down and playeven remotely defensively. This was reassuring to hear that I'm doing the right thing learning things now. Thanks!

[@oktanskioktan9372]

The problem with Tekken is that it is complex and requires thinking to some extend, muscle memory and good reflexem. Other games can be hard and rely more on IQ/smartness but nothing on execution. Here we got execution, reflex and some smartness. BTW I play Tekken since T3 and still know some moves from Tekken 3 or 5 and sometimes I think that knowledge is making me problem with learning new combos for which I just don't have enough time. When I got 2 hours for myself with Tekken I just play rankeds and relax.

[@TheMehkey]

I declare with utter certainty this the greatest Tekken advice video of all time!

[@aephyn_]

Let's not talk about this subject so that Yoshimitsu mains don't get angry (they have zero fundamentals)

[@RocXII]

Yoshi mains make me cringe lol .. too much unga bunga for me

[@driatrogenesis]

yoshi is one if the most complicated tekkn char of all time wtf are you smoking?

[@Deathwindgames]

@@driatrogenesisyoshi is a hard character but most yoshi players in low ranks have no fundamentals and try to just cheese you with weird moves.

[@driatrogenesis]

@@Deathwindgames fair enough.

[@SzyszuPL]

Diaphone is super cool, as a tekken player who started playing a lot 2d fighting games at the time when we were waiting for 8, his content is super nice and seems like genuine cool guy

[@Pigmeat01]

To this day, I still remember the time I finally learned how to sidestep whiff punish and it just rose my love for the game. Tekken is really hard to get good but those moments knowing you improved is just amazing

[@ReiPlush_MH]

Challenging part about playing reactive in T8 is that the game mechanics actively work against you. Chip damage and heat smash/heat engagers etc. punish you for playing reactive Then there are people who have refined flowcharts where they intentionally leave gaps in their offense to land counterhits/launchers. This seems especially common with evasive characters like Yoshi/Xiaoyu/etc. Nonsense strings -> duck launcher or nonsense strings -> counterhit launcher or bizarre setups/frame traps that look like you should be able to do something but you really cant

[@fobo3361]

I think my favorite is when they think youre gonna be an easy match up, had a yoshi kick my ass and was thinkin to myself like "fuck idk if i should rematch, this guy's good" cuz i do believe its better to fight a BUNCH of different people in a sitting then to sit there running your face into a wall over and over when they're simply better, but i thought ok, what the hell, I'll give it a go, they had holes it wasn't a complete stomp, our matches were close, and second match i adapted and just ran through them like it was nothing, it felt amazing and of course they decline the rematch and that was that lmao

[@jesty_]

im not particularly experienced in tekken but i have thousands of hours in for honor. One thing I learned and i advice is something that you said. Not the matches themselves, but the small victories like parries, correct low blocks and going like HELL YEAH I PUNISHED THAT SHIT. Makes the learning experience 10 times better. Good luck to everyone on their journey.

[@MrSwaggtastic]

I remember in Injustice 2 I played Flash, he's really good, but some characters would mop the floor with me and it became to where I had to play and think so strategically due to my character just being handicapped in a matchup. In MK11 with Jax too, it's hard to play somebody who actually knows your character from a defensive standpoint,possibly better than you. But man, when it comes together, it really does. This is great advice.

[@UCZ15]

I really needed this video. Just got into Tekken and realised how bad my memory is. But slow is steady and steady means I’m blocking more, even if it hurts and I lose.

[@Babycrazy187]

Last night, I (Vanquisher Rank Devil Jin) went up against a Devil Jin in Garyu rank and got my cheeks handed to me by exceptional Wavu mixups and familiar combos. I felt I was going to lose cause, well he was just better, so I took it upon myself to learn what he was doing and realized that Mourning Crow 1 is great against a post bound opponent as it guarantees a Back 4. I didn’t know that, and after getting dogged on, I sent the user a message saying thanks for the lesson cause I honestly learned a few things other than that MC tech and I’m glad I did so.

[@imjay2118]

I needed to hear this so bad. I block and play very patiently but I lost to mashing so much. To hear that what im doing (trying to actually pay attention to the game) is the right thing, it's great confirmation

[@baileysbugblog6478]

Because Tekken whiffed recovery is more obvious, it's taught me to tighten up whiff punishing...that i'll carry back into SF6 when season 2 comes, and i spend time with both games.

[@cukkucake]

Been playing Tekken 8 nearly every day, one of the best things I’ve found to counter mashers is to knowledge check them, use command throws, power crush, whatever strong move that’s guaranteed damage when your opponent has no idea how to play defensively. Stay defensive and patient, but abuse those particular moves when you get your turns and they fall apart

[@Kreasddjb]

When i first tried fighting games it was mk11 and i started the hard way i sucked some d and got mashed by clowns and the fun part when it was like few years later i found some of those players again and with some of those i was playing throughout these years they still played the same one character and mashed like monkeys. FOR YEARS without any change. And i cant say that they were normies who just chilled after work, they played a lot. And it became such a nice feeling to play with them with no difficulty at all

[@Xengard]

yeah when i bought tekken 7 i was stuck in grandmaster for the longest time. so many hours practicing combos and electrics, reacting to snake edges, labbing characters, going through their movelists, and blocking till death now, after over 2000 hours i block snake edges and deal with certian strings like its nothing, just second nature, and got to a mighty ruler in t8 in just a few hours. tekken is an amazing game, and as you say, most of it is built on the legacy of previous tekkens

[@Dakisan22]

As a Hwoarang main, when I lost 15 ranked matches in row in Tekken 6 after winning almost every match I never wanted to touch Tekken again. But then I picked up T7 and started learning how to move, to block and punish and do proper combos. This was the best gaming experience I ever had

[@Jainko]

Note that the character you play doesn't matter. You can learn to play properly with victor or Alisa or whatever character you like, it's all about what you put your mind into

[@MrElecGrifayn]

11:10 couldn't have said it better, especially as a character like Kazuya its just so satisfying because I've messed it up so many times

[@Omenhachi]

this is by far the best vid youve made

[@halorin]

This video might be what makes me super commit to Tekken.

[@Shwerpy]

thats why i love it

[@heroicsquirrel3195]

Great advice. I decided to play yoshimitsu along with dragunov and he’s so fun, I was warrior in T7 a couple years ago and quit after only playing for 200 hours I think, my general fighting game fundamentals and understanding has risen since then as I decided to actually get decent with sf6(I’m high diamond beating masters etc) in 8 I’ve gotten to vanquisher super quick which felt amazing and have beaten a bunch of red ranks so almost fell into the trap of going for ranks and wins but decided to pick up yoshimitsu (always wanted to play him but was intimidated and lazy)take it easy and just try stuff in every match and play more casuals. Diving deeper into technical characters like yoshi has made me go straight to practice every time i turn on the game to just see what works, I could probably be red rank with dragunov now I think but its genuinely more fun to just lab and play casuals atm, practice is like a mini game in itself 😂

[@Smilez91]

Tekken 8 is my first tekken that I really sat down and played with and try to learn it and I like it and I’m doing great. Yoshi is fun and I beat players 3 ranks higher than me. It’s so satisfying 😊

[@RedditHorrorStories-t1s]

i just got to the rank before orange rank, ive had a ton of success simply jabbing. if you block the string and jab at the right time, you take your turn back and most of the time at low ranks they mash to get their turn back too. memorize your low and mid mix ups and youll be golden for a bit

[@Rhyds86]

This is the first Tekken that I've done more than the training room as I always found it so daunting. I'm committed to 8 and I'm having a blast.

[@SSIKBuLLeT]

That special style jin is haunting TMM with these 😭

[@Shadow_Note]

T7 was my first tekken, and T8 is great. I watched your vid on what characters are worth picking up so I can learn the game without using a crutch... I settled for Bryan and oh boy... Comming back to T8 with previous T7 experience on Bryan is a treat. To this day one of my favourite things to do is to block dash to bait out a panic rage art... It feels like you pretend to punch your younger brother and they flinch so hard they fall over. And to be completely fair I like playing vs Viktor. It's exactly how you described it, some of the easiest matches I had were vs Viktor players. Once their 3 best moves used in a seemingly random sequence stop working... They just block walk themselves to a wall to cry. They never rematch me after

[@TheHipHopVlog]

Best advice ever. I’ve just been practicing my fundamentals. Don’t get wrong, sometimes I mash, especially when my anxiety spikes. But I do my best to just work on spacing, defending, and getting in punishes. But yeah, Nothing fancy. And at first, I got my but kick, but today, I won 5 games in a row by simply following the fundamentals. And the mashers are becoming less and less of a problem.

[@GreenC0rdial]

this actually made me feel heaps better as someone who doesnt mash. I lose to mashers all the time and its very disheartening. Great content btw man keep it up.

[@alexandermccalla5098]

It’s easy to mash in this game not because of the number of characters but because it became imperative to design characters to have exclusively 1 button strings since Tekken 7, then with the addition of input reading stylish mode and always being directly in front of someone, it just works. What’s also annoying is that I’m pretty sure that Victor 2 string is a natural combo

[@nikolai9709]

I am doing shortcuts at rank, win win win, mashing too much, doing aggressive pressure etc etc. always praying that I did the right move etc, never pay attention to opponents move etc. but never realize im making a big mistake. now I need to learn this game more before i hit the ranks again. thanks for this.

[@hanshin9339]

As a newcomer to tekken ( I have like 80 hours in tekken7 with lots of that spent mashing) this video made me comfortable in losing games to skill mashers. I am trying to learn how to punish mashers but it can be frustrating, i had over %80 loss rate but now i can deal with some of them and made into Ranger rank. People were saying the learning curve is so steep and i know its hard to climb, but succeeding in this game and improving my skills feels great.

[@MrLuc237]

As a tekken veteran it feels good to surpass all the mashers into the blue ranks.

[@orionfenerty3874]

This video got to me at the right time. I finally got to red and got destroyed 5 times in a row by mashers because I wasn't expecting them that high up and got too comfortable starting to play 'normally'

[@allbies]

This is my first Tekken game, I'm 60 hours in and I probably have 120 hours across all fighting games ever at this point. I decided I was playing Jun since they announced her because I liked the character archetype, and it happens she's really good in the game so that's nice. Though what makes her truly strong I highly doubt I'm utilising at my level so I honestly do not think it matters much yet, I have confidence I'd be at the same point with the majority of the roster. I made Garyu yesterday, I haven't learnt optimal combos yet I just have a couple that I can confidently pull off from a few different launchers that I practiced day one and other than that I've tried to play mostly defensively and try to learn my punishers since I've consumed far more guides and high level streams of them talking about how to approach fighting games than I have ever actually played myself. It's put me in this strange spot where I feel like my knowledge exceeds my ability at the moment. My biggest weakness is stopping the mash characters that always seem plus and getting used to when to crouch and how to use my ws moves properly in that situation. I'm still slow on the draw so even if I do crouch appropriately the opponent throws out a mid before I capitalise quite often. It's probably going to take a little while now to move out of red ranks I assume but I'm trying to stay goal oriented. I've also found it very useful for me personally to learn to take a break when I'm really frustrated to the point I'm not having fun. I then return to the game later or the next day and watch my replays and try to learn something before playing again. Last session before reaching red rank I lost to a Reina spamming fast jabs into me for most of the match. I then made a conscious effort to start using Juns parry way more in those situations and the next Reinas I fought on the way to red I parried multiple times and conditioned them to stop jab spamming me. That felt really good.

[@matex2207]

In regards to knowledge checks, there's even a second layer to them. You show a specialist XIaoyu, Yoshi or hopefully later Lei that you know their gimmicks? Get ready for the advanced gimmicks and the mind games that follow.

[@Shedrick_Goldsmith]

You weren't coming off negative at all. I actually love the message in this video. Great mindset for taking Ls if you play honorably. I had that moment where spam stopped working on me in tekken 7 when I put in the hours with miguel. Still got my ass whooped at high ranks, but it feels good to be outplayed by a better player and learn something.