The Troubled History of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

[@snarkus63]

I'm under the impression that, in the 1971 version, the reason Veruca doesn't meet her fate at the hands of hundreds of nut-sorting squirrels (as she did in the book) was because there was no way to depict such a thing convincingly onscreen with the visual effects of the early 70s. I was hoping this would either confirm or deny that.

[@CreativeWM_Personal]

That's technically speaking is the reason they couldn't do that scene originally

[@MsDudette21]

@@CreativeWM_Personal ya also the fact the new version could show a giant chocolate mountain and all those insane visual aspects...they couldnt do those in the original film cuz they didnt have the technology!

[@john-hughboyd233]

@@MsDudette21 or budget.....there is very little film cut from the original

[@fozziebean]

It would have been very diffucult and limiting to use puppets for the squirrels, and they wouldn't have been able to combine cartoons and real footage yet. Training real squirrels was probably not considered.

[@JasonLugauskas]

@@fozziebean combining animation and live action had already been done for decades before Willie Wonka. Disney had been doing it since the 1920’s. And Mary Poppins, which had the most advanced combination of animation and live action of its time had already been out for 6 years when Willie Wonka was made. (Now if you’re referring to CG animation, well then yes that would have to wait a few more decades)

[@sirusbones]

I cannot, for the life of me, imagine that movie without the song Pure Imagination. I mean, it's not just iconic from the movie. The song kinda took on a life of its own and became an anthem for imagination in general. They absolutely made the right choice by putting in songs.

[@TheBluestflamingos]

On the flip side, I can imagine the movie without 'Cheer Up Charlie'. Roald Dahl *was* right when he said it drags the film to a screeching halt. You could sing that song in your sleep and be pitch accurate

[@sirusbones]

@@TheBluestflamingos aww, see, I actually really like that song. It honestly gets me kind of emotional.

[@matrix91234]

I do agree on Roald Dahl`s criticism of Gene Wilders, he gave a more pretentious vibe to it. The actor whom Dahl wanted was Spike Milligan. Which gives me that Oliver Twist atmosphere to the character

[@theposthumanpodcast]

"Come with me and you'll see.."

[@RaineStudio]

It's the "Over the Rainbow" of this film and it is a gorgeous song. I give you that.

[@deyedrah]

One of my very favorite anecdotes about the movie: Gene Wilder insisted on coming out of the factory slowly, leaning on a cane, and then springing into a somersault at the end of the path, so that “from that time on no one would know if I was lying or telling the truth.”

[@brycepeddicord6763]

I always find this both inspired and odd😅 the intersection of genius perhaps?

[@whuuuut2035]

I've always thought that was an outright lie on his part, but he has stories about little anecdotes of things from every movie that he said if he couldn't do he would walk off set. They can't all be lies, I assume

[@CosplayingwithChad]

He also told the director that if he didn’t let him do that somersault then he wouldn’t do the movie, it was that important to him. Mad props Gene!👍

[@SUCHMISH]

Weirdly enough... For some reason, a thought popped into my head with these two movies. It's kinda funny how "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" is focused on Charlie as a character, and "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" was focused on Willy Wonka.

[@iMusikkForeva]

Good catch!

[@Toadtoes]

I think Willy wonka and the chocolate factory was named that to promote a candy under the same name coming out. Or something like that :)

[@TomJones-op9nj]

Great point …..says a few things on more than one level….well observed my friend

[@wintergirll]

🤯

[@TELEVISIONARCHIVES]

The Johnny Depp version was awful

[@ThreeDosIchi]

My father was actually an usher at a movie theater when this film came out. He always told me and my sisters that the Wonka Bar got delivered to the theater like a week before the film release to be sold at the snack counter but they had some issue where it would effectively melt at room temperature, so almost every bar sold got returned to the counter as a puddle in the wrapper.

[@InvaderGIR98]

Did an Indian Prince order those 😂

[@Themaoriraccoon]

i actually agree even the smaller sized re released (from Hershey ) ones you sometimes see in some stores now melt quickly as if its ice cream or something.

[@makinganegg-tempt1986]

@@Themaoriraccoon at this rate they should sell it as wonka chocolate jam or smth

[@WaverBoy]

The chicken head chopping bit is absolutely still in the film, one of the most unforgettable moments of any children’s film.

[@sandymckee6958]

Yep fully remember the chopping of chicken head ,even as a child I was horrified that was in a children's movie.

[@nerdyworld938]

@@sandymckee6958 I didn’t even know it was a chicken getting its head chopped off until I was watching a YT video of someone talking about the movie

[@runlarryrun77]

At no point did he say that footage was removed. What he said was that there was even more disturbing stuff besides that which was edited out. Ergo, the chicken decapitation is still in it. We all know that because we all saw it. Do you understand words, their meanings & how they relate to each other to create sentences? Fkn hell...

[@ron-paulsartre]

​@@runlarryrun77 relax bud, it's going to be ok

[@sandymckee6958]

@@runlarryrun77 not sure who you having a spasm at, but wow breath deep, stay calm. Remember it's not the end of world if something is miscommunicated or misunderstood.

[@Score_Magala]

I understand how frustrating it must be for your go to picks to be shoved aside for some nobody at the time, but this is one of the few times where I think the Hollywood choice was for the best. Gene Wilder was perfect for Willy Wonka. His performance is absolutely stellar and he steals the show whenever he's on screen. And, come on, Pure Imagination is just too good It was a sad day when he passed away

[@malinachainey1564]

It really was. I've always loved everything about Gene Wilder. I remember telling my mom years ago that I wished either Gene Wilder or Vincent Price were my grandfather. Not because they were rich and famous I just really liked them, loved all their movies, and both had these amazing voices that I could listen to for hours.

[@BrewmasterAdaryn]

He was fantastic and was a great Willy Wonka.

[@lumos2230]

Really? I've always thought he looked like was bored the whole time

[@watchforever1724]

@@lumos2230 I guess we all have different opinions when I watched original film he really fit the role

[@ladiorange]

Peter sellers would have been interesting though. I imagine it would have ended up far more English.

[@douglaskurtz8357]

I remember growing up with Nestle's Wonka brand...and when I realized the candies dropped the "Wonka" label a little part of my childhood died, because that label made that wonderful fantastic factory "real" to me, in my heart, in that "yes Virginia" sort of way...My wife got a Wonka-bar mold and specially made a bar for me...it was the sweetest thing in the world...The book was also one of the only books I read more than once as a kid...

[@caradanellemcclintock8178]

Im not sure if it happened anywhere else but here in South Africa they released Wonka products again I think when the Tim Burton movie came out and I think they still sell a few even now

[@douglaskurtz8357]

@@caradanellemcclintock8178 Yeah I remember when the Burton film came out...I think there was some sort of golden ticket contest where you could win trips to the places where the characters were supposed to be from...Nestle recently came out with "Giant Chewy Nerds" and when I got them, my wife said "I didn't know you liked nerds" then I didn't say ANYTHING but just LOOKED at her and she said "YOU ARE SO MEAN!!!"🤣🤣

[@birdboy16]

Yeah, it made me think Wonka was a real candy company back in the day

[@ashleygibson2342]

I read something a few years ago about nestle selling that portion of the company to Ferraro. That might be why they dropped the name.

[@thejamescorwin]

I remember being super disappointed that the Wonka bars didn't taste as good as they looked in the movie, and they didn't look as good either

[@MagicPlants]

I can say that I have watched KZbin since it's inception around 2007 and these are some of my favorite videos to watch of all time. You did an incredibly excellent job telling the story and documenting all the interesting parts WITH NO FILLER! Great work and keep up the fantastic job.

[@illaysanimationandstuff]

Good to hear that not everyone who saw the 2005 movie despises it beyond belief. As someone who read the book and saw both version, it’s really a matter of pick your poison. If you like the more whimsical side of the book, go with the 71 version, but if you prefer the more quirky and strange side of the book, go with the Burton version. I personally enjoy both equally.

[@inyrui]

Yeah I actually like both equally for different reasons. My only complaint about the 2005 version was Johnny Depp looks very odd haha

[@kellydavis1837]

I also love them both equally, each has their own wonderful aspects.

[@illaysanimationandstuff]

Though, as much as I love Johnny Depp, Geen Wilder absolutly KILLED IT as Wonka.

[@gracekim1998]

Well um looking back 🤔 I guess I was mostly confused by it after a while….also Elanimation, you used here (for a location) and not Hear for hearing with ears😅

[@Speedstreak]

I absolutely love both versions! Both of them have different styles and I both enjoyed Gene Wilder and Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka.

[@Captain-Cosmo]

My father played the '71 version in his theatre on first release. In fact, I went to the exhibitor's screening prior to the release as a 4-year old boy. I loved the film instantly, and was drawn to the music, especially. The studio gave us some of the candy-making kits (and I might still have a mold). And the theatre sold the Super Scrunch bars (still probably my favorite candy bar ever). It played for two weeks with moderate business. I was disappointed it didn't do well enough for a third. But these were the days before multi-plexes, and slow pictures had to make way. I still have an original movie poster. And it's still one of my favorite childhood movies.

[@hlhs42]

I was also 4 when the movie was released & I've grown up loving it. How neat that you were given the candy kit, my older brother had one. I remember the candy wrappers that came with it. I loved the Ooompas candy. Back then, we could just ride our bikes to the store around the corner to buy some.

[@erinloveswendy]

@@hlhs42 18:01 This Chocolate River in "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" looks like Chocolate Milk to me.

[@audreywade826]

Cool

[@markshaw270]

Mould.

[@markshaw270]

I see the word mold and think of that black or green stuff that will make you seriously sick.

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

Gene Wilder was certainly an unexpected casting choice, though I recall my grandfather thought he was terrific when we first watched it together at home. As a kid having read the book, Wilder didn't much seem like the character described in Dahl's novel, but I still found him sort of interesting. Still, I remain curious about the enticing possibilities of Peter Sellers in the role and what invention he might have brought to it. My guess is Sellers, at that point a big star, wasn't hired because he would have cost a mint whereas Wilder's salary was better suited to the budget limitations of the film. One other intriguing possibility, which no one mentioned, was Ron Moody, the exceptionally nimble English actor who played Fagin in the '68 musical adaptation of Oliver. He would have made a fascinating Willie Wonka, and with the right make-up and hair, also bringing the English Music Hall element along with a light touch of comic menace, would probably come closest to embodying the character as described in the story.

[@AFluidRealiTea]

Three months after your comment, but this just popped up in my reccos. In his book, "Kiss Me Like a Stranger," Wilder goes into the casting, production, and reception (or lack thereof). It was a troublesome time to have several "flops" in a row for him. For as many times as I watched the VHS in the white, puffy case, then the DVD, and now on streaming, I always had a hard time believing it was a flop, but then again I was born in the 80s. Anyway, I recommend the audio book version of "Kiss Me..." so you hear it in Gene's own voice. Phenomenal autobiography.

[@jackmonaghan8477]

And as Sellers and Spike Milligan were considered, maybe Harry Secombe (another 'Oliver' cast member) too could have been an option given he was the most musically trained of the Goons.

[@tay7366]

This film was the single most magical movie of my childhood. I still watch it every time I see it shown. I'm 52 but 5 when it's on TV.

[@bresams2917]

Right! 💯❤️❤️

[@karmina9984]

Me too I’m 47 now and I totally agree , the most magical movie of my childhood 🌟

[@frankbenham1745]

Did you ever find it creepy? I thought it was kind of a creepy movie as a kid. After seeing the factory, I don't know if I want to win a golden ticket.

[@KittyStarlight]

Honestly I found the newer movie slightly creepy. There are some things in it that remind me more of a gothic novel than a children's book. Admittedly the book was slightly creepy in some ways and admittedly certain parts of it probably don't translate very well to the screen, but that wasn't the only problem. The older movie had enough comedy to be able to leave out a lot of the creepiness.

[@KittyStarlight]

Well, it sort of depended actually on were you a good kid at heart or not. If you were basically a nice kid and you confessed your mistakes, then there wasn't a lot for you to worry about.

[@hamjohn8737]

I fast forward through "Cheer up, Charlie" every time the movie shows. Road Dahl has it correct, but "Pure Imagination" was perfect for the beginning of the journey in Wonka's factory

[@hamjohn8737]

@joe neid lol.....well put

[@ShadowLinkxMaster]

I once did the same, every time. Then one night I was way too tired and the remote was on the table and away from my bed and I didn't bother to get up and grab it. So I just sat through the whole scene. Honestly, the music itself was pretty nice, almost like a lullaby. The commentary from the child actors really describe just how necessary the scene was. Charlie's determined to get the ticket, but realizes he has no chance, due to his poverty. To which is mom tries to keep his head up and not to give in to hopelessness.

[@Tinyman12]

@@ShadowLinkxMaster I always start crying during Cheer Up Charlie. I dont know why but I do. Another thing is when I was down for some reason I played this song anyways. Since my name is Charlie I always pretended she was singing to me.

[@tonijlynch8724]

I do the exact same thing. Sometimes I skip the beginning entirely and start the movie with Pure Imagination. At this point I've been watching it over 30 years and that's where I feel it begins LOL

[@laurarhodes4150]

I thought I was the only person who did this!!!! I'm so happy to see this comment!!!

[@gustyko8668]

Finally, a video on the Willy Wonka film that DOESN'T trash on the Tim Burton's adaptation.... because I'm sooo sick of seeing Burton's version in your typical "top 10 worst remakes" and stuff. I believe the only other video of a fan of the Gene Wilder version that doesn't hate on the 05 movie, was the one by that Minty guy (sorry I forgot his name).

[@TheMarshmelloKing]

The 71 movie is a miracle. Everything was working against it, and in the end, it turned out to be a timeless classic, a very special movie. Probably one of the few cases where the film surpasses the book and becomes a work of art in it's own right.

[@stephennicholas1590]

Well said. I consider the original film as close to a masterpiece as any film ever made. Only the spiritually-dead could have contempt for such a lovely film.

[@agriperma]

@@stephennicholas1590 You mention spirit, and this is what I felt lacked in the remake, it lacked soul. I like Johnny Depp and I wanted to like the new version, i am not one of those that always says the original is better, but in this case, the 1971 version is a masterpiece, it had humor for both adults and children alike, a message (although not everyone agreed with it at the time) that the parents are responsible for how children come out. and the music, pure imagination, and the Candy man, great songs. a lot of people remember the scary boat ride, it was these weird things out of left field that made this such a great movie, you really didn't know if Wonka was a crazy psycho, or just trolling his guest.

[@ianashby6294]

The Wonka themed candy is quite popular in newzealad I had nerds candy quite a few times

[@americangirl6654]

Agreed!

[@michaelpacinus242]

@@ianashby6294 what the

[@Jessesgirl2013]

I had no idea the original movie was a flop! That’s definitely the favorite for me. Not only because it’s the version of my childhood, but because of Gene Wilder’s insanely magnetic (or magnetically insane?) performance.

[@RemoWilliams1227]

I grew up in the 80s and by then it was definitely considered a classic. In fact my Dad likes it as well. I would have never guessed it was a bust either.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@RemoWilliams1227 Disney's Alice in Wonderland has the same problem. When arrived in Theaters in was a failure, but thanks to Television it became more Successful.

[@burnbabylonburn78]

I’ll go with “magnetically insane.”🤣

[@john-hughboyd233]

and Judy Garland's The Wizard of Oz was a box office loss until it was re-released 10 years later.

[@davidl570]

Another one that comes to mind is It's A Wonderful Life (yep, it was a big flop originally but eventually became a much-loved classic).

[@SWLinPHX]

Roald Dahl and the adaptation of is book "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" is a similar situation to Stephen King and the adaptation of his book "The Shining": Both were at first adapted to the screen quite differently from the book but became beloved classics due to the performance of the adult male star, while the authors disliked them -- only to have each book's more faithful adaptations remade much later, with most fans still preferring the first versions a bit more.

[@firestriker3580]

Not most. There are a lot of fans who prefer the 2005 version of the story

[@firestriker3580]

The only difference is that the Charlie and the chocolate factory movie actually did it justice meanwhile the willy Wonka movie was just a cash grab

[@SWLinPHX]

@@firestriker3580 According to you maybe, but stats, polls, most sentiment I've read and box office numbers don't back that up. The original became a beloved classic while few remember or hold the remake in their hearts. It's about the movie, not about how it compares to a book. You are probably very young and grew up on the remake. And even if a lot liked it, that is not what I said. I said "most" preferred the original movie. Which is also why the upcoming prequel totally follows that one and not the remake.

[@SWLinPHX]

@@firestriker3580 According to you maybe, but general polls, sentiment and box office numbers disagree. The original is a beloved classic while the remake pretty much was just another movie that does not stand out as a classic. That is why the prequel went back to the original movie and was based on that. Besides, I said "most" prefer the original, so your response doesn't really make sense. I stand by what I said. You must be very young and grew up on Depp remake.

[@TheDigitalApple]

Gene Wilder truly made the film. I miss him

[@watchforever1724]

I know

[@MarquisDeSang]

Gene Wilder put a constant tension in the movie. He did good things at the end of the movie, but we kind of feel that he had done terrible things in his life.

[@schmoborama]

srsly I got emotional for more than a few minutes when his face was first shown in this video.

[@YochevedDesigns]

He was that perfect combination of manic and slightly threatening . You never knew when his mood would flip, and that's what kept the movie from being sickly sweet.

[@gloriavaldez1560]

He sure did 😔

[@buzztheknight]

When world needed him most he came back

[@misterartist1603]

But he never left in the first place

[@watchforever1724]

Yeah I know

[@JonathanGaeta]

I always love me some Yesterworld along with DefunctLand

[@Robert-tl2vg]

When “THE” world…

[@buzztheknight]

@@Robert-tl2vg ok

[@Gloria-ro4vn]

Wilder's Wonka was creepy, but if Seller had played Wonka it would have been terrifying. Wilder was the right choice.

[@DaMaster012]

Actually, when I first heard Peter Sellers could have been Willy Wonka, it made me wonder with reluctant melancholy for what could have been. Sellers was one of the greatest method actors who ever lived, like a Daniel Day Lewis of dark comedy. We'll never know for certain if Sellers would have been as iconic as Wilder, but there's no doubt in my mind that he would have been great.

[@firestriker3580]

Wilder was not the right choice and if seller played Wonka it would not be anymore terrifying

[@nascar138]

I remember hearing a story how Denise and Julie (Violet and Veruca) kept trying to get Peter's (Charlie) attention because both of them thought he was cute. And also how Denise was so reluctant to do the nose picking scene because she would have to do it in front of Peter. That's why these videos are so good because you never get to hear stories like this anywhere else.

[@heehoopeanut420]

this is why I always loved watching the director's commentaries on DVDs! You get some boring ones, but you get a lot of funny stories about the cast, or they'll point out little things that we might not notice, they're so entertaining

[@brohomo8795]

Peter (Charlie) turned out to be gay I think

[@ciarangleeson2880]

No, he’s straight, just ask his wife!

[@mulemule]

As owner of one of the only known screen-used "Golden Tickets," I really appreciate your candid and detailed piece. FunFact: Wilder insisted upon creating the fake limp-and-pratfall when first appearing. It immediately established things were never what they seemed with Wonka. They agreed only after he trained extensively with a professional acrobat to mitigate risk of injury. FunFact: they also expedited shooting because "Cabaret" needed the same sound stage.

[@Traci_Websinger]

That's quite the head turn, from Willy Wonka to Cabaret.

[@mulemule]

@@Traci_Websinger Right? :)

[@mulemule]

@@electricfishfan Excellent point! (Usually, the Snozzberried wallpaper gives it away.😅)

[@NathanTarantlawriter]

I can imagine every take putting the producers heart in his throat praying for no broken hip.

[@mulemule]

@@NathanTarantlawriter Yes, agreed. (Wilder always struck me as the kind of iconoclast not shy Vs. putting more than a few hearts-in-throats during production.)

[@MidasOfMesses]

I think it’s interesting how so many people (myself included) find things to appreciate about both movies. I find myself liking the first a bit more bc of Gene Wilder’s performance and the music, but I do like how the newer version is almost more positive in a way (the boat ride scene isn’t as terrifying, we actually get to see that the kids are all alive at the end, and Willy Wonka reconciles with his father)

[@Just_jessie_3]

This was my favorite movie and book as a child, it would be an understatement to say I was obsessed. My dad used to read me the movie script as my bedtime story and my 7th birthday party was Willy Wonka themed.

[@ScreamingAllTheTime]

Peter Ostrum is a vet now and works a couple towns over from me. One of my sisters friends had his dog put down by him, and I’ll never forget the story of him getting drunk and finding out about him being Charlie, because it apparently made him have a whole new breakdown unrelated to his dog.

[@SteveCarras]

In Montebello there is/was an Ostrum Chevrolet! and Ostrum used to be a car dealer...just like Violet's dad (agt least for her, Denise Nickerson has had some other iconic roles,notably that 1974 Brady Bunch nerd Pamela Phillips)

[@oliverbrownlow5615]

@@SteveCarras Denise Nickerson also did a stint on ABC's daytime gothic soap opera, *Dark Shadows.*

[@davidl570]

@@SteveCarras .........................not to mention joining the Short Circus (on The Electric Company) in its later seasons! One of my childhood crushes.

[@davidl570]

ScreamingAllTheTime Some ironic trivia: he HATED chocolate.

[@lapislazarus8899]

@@davidl570 Oh! Oh! For some reason your comment triggered a memory, I always watched The Electric Company and I know who you're talking about! I didn't know they were one and the same

[@RoseRose-hp4rq]

I was a little kid in the 80s and we had a teacher from Holland who was quite obsessed with chocolate. One year before Easter she read us the book Charlie and the chocolate factory and then on the day before Easter break we got to watch the movie with a buffet table of all kinds of chocolate treats. We ate so much food and somebody even threw up on the carpet. It was amazing.

[@Matthew-oi6kz]

1. AMAZING video as usual. 2. You should do a series on "The Troubled History of Thomas the Tank Engine" It is a VERY interesting story, full of twists and turns you would find interesting!

[@Mari-sc4mg]

Yes please!

[@PositiveDuality]

I'm going to look this up. It sounds interesting!

[@Mediaright]

The Island of Sodor is a capitalist dystopia. O_o

[@Matthew-oi6kz]

@@Mediaright It is if you look at it from a certain perspective, but not really

[@Matthew-oi6kz]

@@PositiveDuality I suggest The Unlucky Tug's youtube channel, and an in progress fan documentary called "Steaming to Legacy"

[@ntvonline9480]

I saw Willy Wonka in the theaters when it first opened. My father, two sisters, and I arrived ten minutes late for the beginning of the show. The staff let us go in and watch the movie. At the end, the manager let us stay for the next show at no charge. It’s no wonder they only made four million at the box office. 😄

[@rudeman777]

I was also there on first run in LaHarbra Ca. I do remember that the concession stand was only full of Wonka candy and no others. It was a great time being a kid..

[@satyendrandonibanerjee8682]

Willy Wonka and the chocolate Factory is my number one favorite movie of all time, I'm 22 so I didn't have the pleasure of seeing it when it was released in theaters I can only imagine what those first screenings were like or what it was like to see it on the big screen in 1971. Needless to say, I envy you !

[@ntvonline9480]

@@satyendrandonibanerjee8682 The scene with the boat going thru the tunnel scared the cr- out of my sister. She refused to go near any type of boat for decades.

[@HunterSlayer2727]

@@satyendrandonibanerjee8682 Same age, I'd always watch this when I was sick as a child and even now I still do when I'm too sick to get out the house. The ending is just so positive and Gene Wilder's final lines always pull the biggest smile out of me.

[@malinachainey1564]

My mom was lucky enough to be a kid when the original Willy Wonka came out, and it's an experience she still remembers today. She also made sure to pass on her love of the movie to my sister and I. Mu sister and I used to have a lot of fun acting out the movie...especially Veruca's temper tantrum song lol.

[@joedavis6029]

"Pure Imagination" is simply magical. It never fails to well up a tear... *crunch*

[@DoswarePictures]

I don’t really consider Charlie a remake, but rather another adaptation of the book. Most elements of the 1971 film aren’t present like the soundtrack, designs, the Slugworth subplot, or Veruca’s demise. Calling this a remake is like calling the 2019 film Togo a live-action remake of the 1995 animated film Balto. The Tom & Jerry version is the only real remake.

[@motherplayer]

Play the film and then have a small box in the corner playing Tom and Jerry shorts and that's basically the effect of watching that film.

[@JCM-ve5gg]

I'm surprised people call it a remake. The Burton version is another adaptation of Dahl's book which changed and added it's own things, like the Wonka family subplot which wasn't in the book similar to how the Slugworth spy twist was unique to the 1971 version. I know Dahl's widow believed he would've approved of the Burton version and thought the author and director would've gotten along. I prefer the 1971 version and think Gene Wilder is the superior Wonka but the newer version is truer to the book. Generally I think people are harder on Burton's take because they compare it solely to the 1971 film and don't take the source material into account.

[@NostalgiNorden]

I don't really consider this a youtube comment, but rather a giant pretentious shitturd.

[@margogoralski6294]

@@JCM-ve5gg Perfectly said.

[@margogoralski6294]

I agree.

[@josephbrown9685]

Sorry, Mr. Dahl. I know you didn’t like the movie, but I must disagree with your assessment. I think it’s a delightful movie for all ages that really made the most of its budget, and Gene Wilder and the song “Pure Imagination” are two of the best features of the movie.

[@andriygriffin4782]

My guess is Dahl was hoping for a far more lavish production like prior musicals such as Mary Poppins & Sound of Music. Considering the budget, I feel they did an amazing job despite some sets looking small in scale like the invention room.

[@Musicradio77Network]

Lou Rawls did a great version of “Pure Imagination”, and it was from his album “All Things In Time”. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6eonYaEgLqhl7M

[@nicolenewsome4863]

Yeah I would have to agree with you it is one of the very few things that Hollywood actually did right.

[@stinkyjoe4720]

it's just really inaccurate to the book. the 2005 version uses basically the same lyrics as in the book.

[@shenloken2]

It’s hard now to imagine Mr Wonka being as iconic or meme worthy if he was portrayed by Peter Sellers instead of Gene Wilder.

[@babyblue_22]

I've never in my life laughed louder in a movie theater than I did when I went to see the remake. When Depp said "Good morning, Starshine! The earth says hello!" in that adorably odd way, to literally nothing but awkward silence, I laughed SO. FREAKING. HARD. I was 15 at the time, and my best friend looked at me like I was crazy and was embarrassed, but I didn't care, that was the funniest shit I'd ever seen in my life, omg

[@noncatholiccatholicrat6309]

I wish I could've been there! Sadly I was 3 years old LMAO

[@g.l.3124]

I STILL use that quote.

[@jessica23claire]

@@g.l.3124 ME TOO!

[@mulemule]

In the theater I was in, there was a palpable "tightening" in the air amidst audible pain. (As if dozens of Oompa-Loompa voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. 😉)

[@TickleFingers]

I went with a girl to go see the movie Powder. There is a part where the science teacher turns on a Jacobs Ladder and Powder starts wigging out. It was supposed to be a serious scene, but I lost it...... I started laughing so hard because of how it was playing out. The girl looked at me like I was nuts! Still F'd her though!

[@AKoooooooo]

YAY, I love this video. a very small correction, too: the chicken head moment did, in fact, make the boat scene. I remember this as Mike TV's mother responds by saying she *is* going to be sick. That moment + the centipede crawling across the man's face left me dumbfounded when I was a kid. My little brain couldn't process what I was watching, it was a moment of overstimulation lol.

[@taylorm7777]

YES! Its in the DVD version that I own. I knew I wasn't crazy lol

[@elfman1357]

Thank You. I looked to the comments because I was sure that scene was in the movie. I've seen it several times.

[@DreamwalkerFilms]

It is DEFINITELY in at least some versions that were released for home. We ALL remember it lol

[@azadalamiq]

that bit gave me nightmares... hated it.

[@nicolenewsome4863]

Yeah it scared me a little as a kid. I didn't particularly like the boat scene.

[@THX-uo9dm]

I am 44 now and I watch this movie anytime I come across it. There are few things that legitimately take me back to my childhood. The feeling I get, the nostalgia is all there. It's palatable. I absolutely love this movie. Gene Wilder was sheer perfection in that role.

[@doctorshell7118]

This was quite well done. I really miss Gene Wilder and saw Willy Wonka in the theater when it first came out.

[@MsTasha217]

I found myself watching it again lol

[@brycepeddicord6763]

Oh dang! It's time to get a colonoscopy sir 😅

[@cerrida82]

"Cheer Up Charlie puts the brakes on the whole film." Dahl had that one exactly right! I always fast forwarded through that song when I was little and still can't stand it.

[@TheBoardGarage]

Seeing this comment has validated so much of my childhood.

[@KFrost-fx7dt]

I like that song, it's nice. I don't get why people hate on it.

[@allme2547]

@@KFrost-fx7dt I only started becoming partial to it now that I'm an adult. But, I _hated_ that song when I was younger. Most people will agree about there being a magical element to all the other songs in the movie though...so it does makes you think.

[@markray2769]

I still love John Mulaney’s joke about skipping that song

[@eoinm5758]

Me too i always skipped past it and I swear I was literally just thinking I'm going to watch it again and skip that song 🤣🤣🤣 then I seen this comment

[@CaptainRC1]

Love or hate the Tim Burton version, you really have to hand it to Deep Roy for playing (almost) every single individual Oompa Loompa. I mean, seriously... can you imagine how much time and effort it must have taken him in just the song and dance routine in the candy room ALONE... having to do the same song and dance in about 30 different places in the room just for a few minutes of screen time?! That man at LEAST deserves to be in the Guiness Book of World Records for the most individual roles in a single movie.

[@usair1232]

What’s Deep Roy?? That doggo food brand ??

[@RememberThisShow]

Deep Roy is great, as is Tim Burton, and Johnny, But I do not enjoy that film.

[@michaelpacinus242]

No, one does NOT have to hand anything to that disturbing man.

[@yourstepmother8109]

@@michaelpacinus242 ?

[@nicolenewsome4863]

You aren't very smart are you? It's just one person doing some dance moves if you call it dancing then CGI and special effects took care of the rest.

[@robertgraham2656]

I grew up with the original movie in the 70s and loved it and much of the candy associated with it. I also loved the new movie when it came out. They're so different that I don't have any problem enjoying each one for its own merits.

[@Pharoset]

Wow!!! The beauty of the internet is accidentally discovering a brilliant documentary like yours. You packed in tons of information in a little over 30 minutes. Fantastic! I'm subscribing to your channel!

[@YesterworldEntertainment]

Glad you enjoyed the video, welcome aboard!

[@katelynbrown98]

I agree. it's beautiful. sounds like something you'd find on pbs.

[@CinnamonGrrlErin1]

Having read a bio on Roald Dahl not long ago, I don't think he would've liked it even if it had been more faithful to the book. He wasn't a pleasant man.

[@gravityissues5210]

Yeah, I always found his books incredibly mean-spirited and petty. I loved the 1971 movie when I saw it as a kid on TV in the mid-70s. Then I read the book and thought it was an ugly disappointment. I read a few more of Dahl's books afterwards, and aside from _James and the Giant Peach,_ they just seemed nasty. Having Dahl hate the film for me is a ringing endorsement.

[@rclark777]

Roald Dahl was a drunken, insane, racist, sexist prick, but I can't really blame him since, by all accounts, he had a horrible childhood, his daughter died, and he was a combat pilot and most likely suffered from PTSD.

[@matrix91234]

@@gravityissues5210 Well he wrote "Matilda" which is a movie i like alot

[@YochevedDesigns]

When i was a child I really liked James and the Giant Peach. I wonder if part of why Dahl hated the choice of Gene Wilder was because Wilder was Jewish.

[@matrix91234]

@@YochevedDesigns I read on it. Most of it comes more from the Israel and Palestine conflict. But good question. I dont think so though personally despite his private personal views

[@waithereivegonetogethelp3240]

That was an excellent documentary, full of clips and info I've never seen before and very entertaining throughout, well done to all involved in its creation!

[@beccab8015]

After watching the Burton remake I asked my now ex-husband what he thought. Said he liked them both, but the easiest way to describe the difference: Gene Wilder was on acid, Depp was on Quaaludes. 🤣 He wasn't wrong.

[@theposthumanpodcast]

🤣🤣🤣

[@theposthumanpodcast]

🤣🤣🤣

[@wintergoat6612]

😂😂😂

[@FoxboroPiper]

😂😂😂

[@satyadasgumbyji8956]

Wish Ludes were still around! Maybe I'd b able 2 sit thru more than 10 mins of the abysmal remake?!😔

[@AA-qt1hi]

I definitely enjoyed both for different reasons. I always thought as a child that that boatride in the first movie was so CREEPY and seemed off compared to the movie. I see why now. I appreciate the second movie for its depiction of the weirdness alongside the whimsical.

[@miriadlamentations]

Jesus is the love of your life. Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. John 14:27 ✝🌅 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. Ephesians 6:11 ✝🌅 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 12:48 ✝🌅

[@SwiftSloth]

I also grew up on the 2005 Wonka and I loved it. My sister and I still make references to it to this day lol then I remember watching the original, which was much more unsettling and eerie. Nonetheless, both are strange movies. I was 8 years old in 2005, and I just remember getting the movie from blockbuster and my mom buying us some Hersheys chocolate bars and seeing the opening scene in the 05 version as I was eating my candy was just such a special moment. I’m sure many others had a similar experience with both movies. The point is that we all wanted to be little Charlie bucket.

[@donaldpeterson590]

That was a WONDERFUL way to cover the story of one my MOST BELOVED childhood books! I knew most of the info, but that was terrifically in-depth and interesting. Thank you for sharing this. I read the books, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator, when I was 9. It was 1982, so I grew up with the 1970 film. I was gobsmacked to see they were making another version in 2005. Especially so since Tim Burton was heading the project. I thought the new film was amazing! It took almost 40 years for technology to catch up to Dahl's imagination. The original will always have a special place in my heart because I had just read the books, but, I love that the '05 version stuck so closely to the original story. I'm one of the few that have a great appreciation for both tellings. I used to work in Fernandina Beach, FL and there was a candy store named The Snack Shack. They carried the entire Wonka line of sweets, and when the '05 movie came out, they played both versions in the shop, on a loop! It was pure heaven to me! Too bad for my wallet, this shop was only 2 doors down from my job!

[@tkps]

I adored the latter film & really didn't enjoy the original too much. Didn't hate it. Just didn't like the changes. Gene Wilder being the worst thing about it. I know that's an unpopular opinion but I put it down to being UK born Aussie & not American. He doesn't translate internationally if that makes sense. Yet JD I thought did a marvellous job of a weird wonderful character, including the over the top behaviour masking his knowledge of who was who yet only allowing glimpses of it to show. I will watch them both, the first more for nostalgia as I was those kids age when it came out & the Euro setting reminds me of the UK from that time. The latter because I think it's great.

[@donaldpeterson590]

@@tkps I agree that the 1st film was disappointing. For me, it was the musical aspect, but it was a sign of the times in movies. They were practically FORCED to be musical, like Indian films MUST have that big bollywood number at the end of every flick. I was also sad that they strayed from the book so greatly. Charlie's dad was absent, and Willy was, well, WASN'T Willy. The Tim Burton was closer to the book, and Willy was odd and off-putting as he was written, but Wilder was so creepy and dark. I never understood his appeal. If you ask me, his popularity in America was built on Willy Wonka. His guest performance on Will and Grace even scripted him a repeat of his famous Wonka line, "Wait. Scratch that. Reverse it." It was his last performance that I know of, and it was a bit sad to see him go, but only because he had been ever-present in our entertainment world.

[@wstine79]

I love both Willy Wonka and Charlie movies. Mostly how the kids in each film reflect the children of their respective time periods.

[@FuchsiaNeko]

My mom grew up reading the books (the original along with it's sequel book), and she likes the Tim Burton one better; mostly because it's more accurate, but a major point being that Willy Wonka himself is more accurate. As in, he's eccentric in the way that he's just a weird dude rather than he seems like he genuinely wouldn't give a shit if children die lol I personally have trouble picking a favorite, really depends on my mood at the moment... right now I'm feeling more Charlie than Willy Wonka tho

[@chezperky]

I prefer Charlie and the chocolate factory

[@titoticodorian]

I also like the 2005 adaptation a lot, it was one of my childhood favorites

[@chezperky]

@@titoticodorian same

[@margogoralski6294]

Wow. As a massive Willy Wonka/Charlie and the Chocolate Factory fan, this video was absolutely phenomenal. It was great to learn some new things and hear the perspective and different explanations of what I already knew. Thank you so much for making this. Rest in peace, Roald Dahl, Gene Wilder and many more. You will never be forgotten.

[@fender2551]

As a kid in the mid 70s, a local theatre played the original yearly, making it a must see each time on a Saturday afternoon. So despite a bad box office, at least in my area of the northeast, it ran quite frequently.

[@lynnpayne9519]

We saw it a lot on military bases . They liked to have cartoons, fantasy and sci-fi so it kept us all busy during school break. We loved it.

[@sandal_thong8631]

I remember seeing it in the theater in the late '70s, not on TV or home video. Now I'm curious, how was it marketed poorly? I also wonder with all the re-releases when it started making money?

[@KingOfGaymes]

And that’s why I prefer the 2005 version The whole vibe is just incredible to me. The kind of creepy yet fairytale like vibe. The music by Danny Elfman is some of my favorite movie music scores of all time. Like that opening music.. It sets up the movie PERFECTLY. The Oompa Loompas songs I still listen to now and even remember the dances. Depp as Wonka is so funny and weird too. And the child actors did an amazing job. I just adore it so much, it completely encapsulates the idea of “Dark yet whimsical”

[@tastefreezzmedia5099]

Poor yugiboi 😂

[@BrosBGaming]

Loved it that Willis teeth were perfect still when he whent back to his father. Shows Wonka must have kept caring for the work his father did on his teeth for his whole life as a subtle reference to him loving his father despite their separation. They're both wierd. His dad's practice was in the middle of NOWHERE when willy went again.

[@BrosBGaming]

Also shows his dad became reclusive just like willy after the fallout.

[@DougWIngate]

that father-son relationship subplot is the most Tim Burton-ish part of the film. Dracula hugging Edward Scissorhands.

[@Thespeedrap]

At least Wonka brushed his teeth of course most of us eat junk but not take care of your teeth.

[@melissaschwalk2576]

Yes but he didn't floss. Not once.

[@illumindonnaughty]

It was because he never actually ate any of the sweets or chocolate himself.

[@bartplays3392]

YES! NEW VIDEO! IT’s BEEN FOREVER SINCE YOU LAST UPLOADED! Love this movie one of my favorite childhood movies!

[@frodoringo2381]

This is my favorite version, 1971. Was 13 when it came out. Eating See's Candies as long as I can remember, fell in love with chocolate. One chocolate company came out with the wrapping of the bar was gold. So much fun.

[@Mathmachine]

Can we just take a minute and talk about how amazing the art used for the initial print of the book was?

[@IndyCrewInNYC]

I grew up with the 60s' Joseph Schindelman cross-hatch illustrations which had so much character. Quentin Blake's drawings just did nothing for me although I liked that his Wonka resembled Gene Wilder more. Luckily, a few years ago, I was able to buy the Schindelman versions of both Chocolate Factory and Glass Elevator in oversized hardcover. A treasured part of my library.

[@CaptainKotetsu]

Yesterworld: hasn’t put up a video in a while. Me: “DON’T CARE HOW, I WANT IT NOW!”

[@Princess_-gp3ep]

Nice reference!

[@lokiwiseyt8608]

“Come one we cry the time is right to post a video for us tonight”

[@philipmcdonagh1094]

Yea the good old 70's, when if kids started with I DON’T CARE HOW, I WANT IT NOW you could just take a good old 2 x 4 to them.

[@Harbinger28567]

I couldn't imagine the original movie without Gene Wilder, and even with the mixed opinions on the remake I am thankful that they included the legendary Christopher Lee in the story.

[@whatsanenigma]

I think part of the problem is that people directly compare the two movies. They see the 2005 version as a remake, when it's really not. Tim Burton wasn't trying to recreate the first one, he was making his own adaptation of the source material. That said, I do prefer the Gene Wilder version but I like the Johnny Depp version a lot too. But I think you really have to see them as two separate versions and not compare them if you want to enjoy the most recent one.

[@avereynakama9854]

I feel like anyone that just says that the latter is "just" a remake of the former hasn't read the book at all. I mean, it's pretty in your face that Burton was trying to bring the novel to the screen. I like the imagery and focus on Charlie and Willy's home life in the new one, but I have a soft spot for how crazy regular people went over the contest in the first movie. I always watch the two movies back to back.

[@Ricoxemani]

Yeah. this is why I think the Tim burton version is so much better. It actually does a good job at creating a film out of the original source material. I remember I was once debating with someone about this topic, and in the middle of the conversation I learned that they not only hadn't read the book, BUT THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE BOOK EXISTED.

[@philstrachan]

Well said

[@KittyStarlight]

I think that part of what turns me off about the Tim Burton movie is actually that it's a Tim Burton movie. Although it could be argued that the first movie is possibly too "sweetness and light" (literally) to me the newer movie seems a little too dark and weird, in a Tim Burton way, not a Roald Dahl way. Or as someone said once about the possibility at the time of Tim Burton directing one of the Harry Potter movies, "I love Tim Burton but if he directed a Harry Potter movie it would not be a Harry Potter movie, it would be a Tim Burton movie." Something about the Tim Burton version just has kind of a weird style in some parts of it. And I'm not really sure how people are seeing it as a more faithful adaptation of the book, when it throws in its own slightly bizarre jokes whenever it can, and has a very different presentation style than the book.

[@KittyStarlight]

1. It's really hard not to compare them, especially since the plots are so similar but the styles are so different. 2. People who say how they think the second movie "is so much better" are comparing them too. 3. Can we possibly just settle for, some people, maybe *most* people, just LIKE one movie better than the other? A lot of this is obviously subjective. The *whole topic* is obviously subjective. Comments and topics regarding *any* comparisons of *anything* usually are. (Of course. And that's obvious. Duh. 🙄) 'Nuff said.

[@pcbassoon3892]

They kids weren't really actors. The director wanted kids with genuine reactions. You should watch the pop up video version of this movie, it has tons of interesting info.

[@ralfmaximus4295]

Link please?

[@pcbassoon3892]

@@ralfmaximus4295 I saw it on TV like 20 years ago.

[@ralfmaximus4295]

@@pcbassoon3892 Link please?

[@antipatsy]

SPEAKING OF WHICH, they should still show Pop-up Video, and should make new episodes. So good.

[@stormwatcher1299]

I looooved PopUp Video but had no idea there was a Willy Wonka Popup. Wow I wish I could find it!

[@Seemsayin]

I remember seeing it for the first time in 1975/76. To say the least... it was captivating. When you're 11 years old, you tend to buy into just about anything that includes secret factories, clever camera tricks, and candy. I'm no purist. Both movies are equally entertaining, and worth watching again, and again. Really glad both movies were made.

[@DougWIngate]

this reminds me (in a good way) of those cozy featurette docs that used to be included in DVDs or on entertainment channels. You tell everything concisely without going off on a bunch of tangents or shoehorned humour or personal anecdotes- which a lot of KZbinrs do and can get pretty annoying sometimes. Well done! And I agree with your last point both movies are good in their own ways.

[@Owlzindabarn]

I was 5 when Willy Wonka came out in 1971. You had to be a certain age. To my little generation of kids, this was nothing less than an instant classic.

[@stephennicholas1590]

No it transcends the ages like Wizard Of Oz. Great Art is Timeless.

[@bustedkeaton]

It came back around. it was huge on home video when I was a kid in the late 90s.

[@markshaw270]

My kids born is the mid 2000s watched the 1971 Version constantly 😂

[@williamolsen20]

I wish they would make a movie of Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator. I read both these books over and over again as a child.

[@stevenpipines7773]

I am still waiting for them to do this as well. I thought the glass elevator would make a very good movie

[@CamilleGregory98]

You have no idea how fast I clicked on this. 😂 I absolutely love Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory! I even have a soft spot for the Tim Burton version (the memes are RICH) great video as always, Mark! ☺️☺️☺️

[@reptarkingoftheozone9447]

Same lol

[@TheRokkiephantomlove]

Ditto

[@TyrellDunn]

Same

[@TheAntlionGuard]

I’ll always prefer the original for nostalgia reasons, but both movies are great in their own right.

[@ladiorange]

Same. Finally a video I didn't have to add to save for later. Great great video!

[@rattyeely]

I like both films about equally. I think the original has a better plot resolution and Gene Wilder is the definitive Willy Wonka. But the Tim Burton version has the buget to finally give us an in-depth look at the factory and make it feel like a real place instead of a collection of sets, also I enjoyed the book-accurate songs. Both kinda co-exist in my mind

[@mindyschocolate]

Ditto. I love both versions equally for different reasons.

[@deefuze1151]

I agree one hundred percent. Both great movies. The second is a little creepier, and I prefer the original Oompa Loompas over the new ones - just because it seemed too CGI, but awesome movies both...

[@TechHaris_]

@@deefuze1151 But there was No CGI for the Oompa Loompa's

[@donchoq]

I love the fact that Roald Dahl also wrote the screenplay for the Bond movie "You Only Live Twice". It's great when Tiger Tonaka says: "She is most sexiful Bond-San"!

[@trevormcguire8591]

Some of, if not my favorite content on KZbin. Thank you for your thorough explantations and consistently high quality production 🤝

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

Whether you're like me and you prefer the Gene Wilder version, or you're like other people who prefer the Tim Burton version, I think we can all agree on one thing... The Tom & Jerry version sucked harder than both of them ever could.

[@CinnamonGrrlErin1]

At least we have the Futurama parody to comfort us.

[@watchforever1724]

I definitely agree with you.Surprised to see you here

[@TheRealLumpySpirit]

At least the animators seemed to have fun with it

[@melissacooper8724]

I don't know whose idea it was to put Tom and Jerry in Willy Wonka And The Chcolate Factory but I'll avoid that version at all costs!

[@watchforever1724]

@@melissacooper8724 probably hoping it would sell I mean Tom and Jerry has had a lot of crossover movies

[@SirSmoldham]

David L. Wolper had offices where I worked as an editor near Beverly Hills. I'll never forget how angry he was about the Tim Burton remake. He went through a lot for this but still gave me a book about the making of his version. I wish he had signed it.

[@shibolinemress8913]

I wish that the song "The Candyman" had got a bigger mention. I seem to recall Sammy Davis, Jr. making it a big hit. In any case, it was one of my childhood favourites. All in all, a fascinating video!

[@mulemule]

FunFact: Sammy lobbied hard (unsuccessfully) behind the scenes to play Bill, the owner of the candy store. The song became so linked with Davis that fans (unfamiliar w/ the film) often just assumed he'd been in it.

[@shibolinemress8913]

@@mulemule Wow, thanks for the info! 👍

[@mulemule]

@@shibolinemress8913 A pleasure.

[@trudat1498]

My dad worked for Quaker while I was growing up and we got to try all of the candy free. There was in fact a “Wonka Bar” but only the employees and their families got them.

[@eoincampbell1584]

Honestly despite what Dahl felt and the direct things that are the same in the film, the original feels more faithful in tone. In Tim Burton's every bit of whimsy is always undercut with discomfort, there's no pure joy there. And the dentist backstory is a ridiculous addition which demystifies and overly analyses Wonka as a character. All the changes from the book in the original were made simply to make the story work better in film form while not changing the core. The remake on paper changed less but actually shifted the core focus of the story and lost a lot of the heart.

[@theadaptationstationmaster]

I'm not a huge fan of either movie (I just really enjoy the book) but I feel "2005 is technically closer to the letter but 1971 is closer to the overall spirit" is a very fair take. I think Burton's penchant for darkness works against the story. If the factory is so creepy, why should we root for Charlie to go there?

[@CLJlovesmal]

I agree. I appreciate the look of Gene Wilder as Wonka and the feel of the movie. I like how the remake had more from the book but I was very upset by the part with Christopher Lee. Why can't Wonka just be who he is? Please note Christopher Lee is one of my favourite actors. I always felt if you mixed a bit of the Gene Wilder and Johnny Depp portrayals together you'd have Willy Wonka from the books. The Boat ride scene always terrified me and made me motion sick.

[@RobVespa]

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is one of my favorite films. As an aside, every time I saw it, which, throughout my childhood was on public television, it always had the "chicken" (and centipede) scene! Most of the best stories for younger people I know of happen to include frightening passages.

[@tammygant4216]

same! and the copy I own shows the chicken too. I didn't know it wasn't in the original theatrical cut.

[@pacoromes]

Yeah, the mention in this video of a removed "chicken" scene had me pulling out my DVD and playing the scene to see if I hadn't accidentally Mandela effected the scene into existence. But no, there it was in all its disturbing glory.

[@bryanna9458]

i grew up watching the 2005 version and when I discovered people's hate for it I was surprised 😭 I think people just prefer whatever movie they grew up watching because of nostalgia. Edit: I’m not saying that the 2005 one is better than the og i’m just saying i like it for nostalgia reasons, they’re pretty different from each other 😭

[@awg7068]

I didn’t care for the first one that much, but I loved the remake. I grew up with the first one!

[@lucarioknightb7685]

The 2005 one is a TRIP. I didn’t much like a lot of the music, but it was fun.

[@kyleh3615]

Tbf, Nostalgia drives sales. Music, marketing, vehicles, toys, film, food If you grew up with that thing, that name, it's what your first sub conscious thought is

[@WeldonSirloin]

It's not often the case. The first Godzilla film that I watched was the one released in 1998 and I never got into the franchise until the late 2000s. Needless to say but I rarely associate the brand with the American movie and I often forget it exists. I personally don't hate the movie but sometimes nostalgia is not a factor when prior installments of a newer film, regardless if they're less faithful to the source material, simply leave a bigger impact to the general audience. I'm neutral towards the Tim Burton version but arriving to the conclusion that people prefer the original only because, once again, nostalgia is the most powerful force in the universe seems erroneous to me.

[@pocoplease3731]

same

[@DoubleACbg]

I remember seeing a documentary on A&E in the 1990s about the making of the film, and it went into the casting of the Oompa Loompas, including interviews with a couple of the British actors who played them. The narration did say that finding actors locally in Munich proved to be difficult, prompting the production to bring in dwarf actors from the UK. Of course one with an interest in history would be able to see that in the late 1960s/early 1970s there was a slim chance of finding any people with dwarfism living in Munich (or West Germany for that matter) due to events more than a generation earlier.

[@bennymora3086]

I feel bad that Roald Dahl didn't get a chance to finish Charlie in the White House since he only wrote the first chapter which you can see in the Roald Dahl Museum and Story Centre. I wondered how it would've ended like since it could be a final installment of a novel trilogy.

[@skjaldulfr]

It's so refreshing for a remake to actually be MORE faithful to the source material. I really appreciate the Depp movie for that.

[@locoluck777]

I first came across this film by way of a School Sleepover where we watched films before calling it a night. Another film we watched for a book report and film comparison was Michael Ende’s The Neverending Story. And I hope you decide to do another detailed book to film adaption and comparison video on that masterpiece of a book and admittedly flawed but grand cinematic motion picture by Wolfgang Peterson. Thank you for this fantastic retrospective and trip down memory and nostalgia lane!

[@juleespo3243]

I don't know about anyone else but a part that always frustrated me in willy wonka and the chocolate factory was Charlie's birthday scene where grandpa joe gets charlie a "wonka bar" so he can get a golden ticket. But wonka said the tickets are only in wonka bar AND IT WAS NOT A WONKA BAR. Idk what it was but it wasn't a wonka bar. But besides that and a couple small details I love this movie. A personal classic. Great vid yet again yesterworld

[@vianjelos]

Idk how old you are, but I remember during the peak of late 90s pokemania when pokemon cards were all the rage, parents would often buy the anime screen shot cards(litterally just cards with screen shots from the anime) instead of the Pokemon TCG cards that we asked for. Parents often and easily make those mistakes because to them they just see the brand theh dont know the differance..plus there wasnt internet in the same way as today where they could just google it on the fly.

[@UbinTimor]

Yea that always bothered me, I guess the props department got confused or something because grandpa Joe gives Charlie a Wonka Scrumdiddlyumptious bar not a regular Wonka bar- the one that we're told would have the golden tickets. Either that or you could explain it away that Grandpa Joe got confused and bought the wrong candy by accident or something. Still sort of odd nobody caught that.

[@dorothyjosefina]

He bought the wrong one on purpose so he could watch Charlie be disappointed yet again, that evil bastard.

[@pika23]

They meant any wonka bars

[@rallen1449]

Scrumditilyupious bars were mad by wonka candy

[@roseprevost8081]

The story goes that this was also one of the reasons Jon Pertwee left Doctor Who, as he was supposedly under consideration to play Willy, but was still tied to DW. He was losing other roles due to this, and decided to leave.

[@thefonzkiss]

He STARTED Doctor Who in 1970 and LEFT in 1975. The movie came out in 71. So that doesn’t make sense. Pretty sure it’s just a rumour. He was under consideration to play Captain Mainwaring in Dad’s Army, it may be confused with that.

[@lunammoon8503]

im pretty sure that the Jon said that the reason that he left Doctor Who was the death of Roger Delgado

[@GrilloTheFlightless]

@@lunammoon8503 that’s correct. He was heartbroken when Delgado died. John Levine recalls hearing Jon weeping like a child in a toilet cubicle on the day they found out about his death. Katie Manning then left, and UNIT was being gradually phased out and Pertwee just didn’t feel it was the same without his usual ensemble around him so decided to leave.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

As divided as people are surrounding the 2005 version of the film, I love it. The soundtrack was an upgrade imo, I mean Augustus' song is a bop and the musical journey through history they did for Mike Teavee was a nice touch. Whether people like it or not, it remains the most successful book-to-movie Roald Dahl adaptation. And like you said, it was more similar to the book compared to the 1971 version. I mean Wonka is MEANT to be a creepy character and Burton and Depp fit that vibe wonderfully, on top of the other things you said like including the Pondicherry story. Not to mention, it gave Wonka a backstory for why he's so candy-obsessed and the fact the Oompa Loompas were ALL the same person...I respect Deep Roy for doing so much work to perfect his performances (he absolutely deserved his 1-million-dollar salary). While Wilder thought it was a bad idea to make another version, I'm glad they did, it's nice to see a version of the story from a more modern take.

[@RichielaurensIII]

Very much agree. The songs themselves are more accurate to the book as well. Also, Mike teavee was far more aggressive in the 2005 one, which matches more with the book version of him. The 71 version made him to be quite likable

[@crixxxxxxxxx]

2005 version was a disgrace

[@voxpopuli7910]

​@@crixxxxxxxxx womp womp

[@crixxxxxxxxx]

@@voxpopuli7910 Imagine liking that trash movie. 🤣🤣🤣

[@voxpopuli7910]

@@crixxxxxxxxx womp womp

[@CamdenBloke]

My university library had a small children's section, and it included the original version of the book. The new film was *much* closer to the book, like Dahl's original wish. The film is pretty much paragraph-by-paragraph like the book, except with the bits added about family. They even alluded to the original oompa loompas by making them a bit more 'tribal' and paying them in chocolate. All the musical numbers used the lyrics that the oompa loompas sang in the original book. I wonder how Mr Dahl would have liked it? edit: I totally typed that comment before getting to the end of your video.

[@mulemule]

Given Dahl's original and rabidly racist depiction of the Oompa-Loompas (heavily suppressed even 50-years ago), it was a creative--if not interesting--compromise.

[@dansmith1661]

@@mulemule Did you know the creator of the NAACP was Jewish? Why can't the people who the group represents be the ones in control?

[@stewickly9475]

@@dansmith1661 who gives a fuck

[@Pandaxtor]

@@dansmith1661 I remember some black guy on twitter notice this but with a smaller BLM charity (Not the buy large mansion scam charity) and got banned for antisemitic. He never said anything antisemitic.

[@anonamatron]

@@dansmith1661 Uh, yeah... your're kind of not supposed to notice or talk about that there y'see....

[@cooperwesley1536]

I'm 59, and I don't remember the film's initial release, but I did see it on television later... and I fell in love with it instantly. As for the candy... I remember buying a few of the Wonka products, but found the taste to be very disappointing, which is probably why they never became "classics" like Snickers, Hershey Bar, Almond Joy, or Reese's.

[@IAmTheDoctor00]

I remember Wonka bars fondly. Maybe its because I haven't seen them since I was in elementary, maybe because they were sold almost no where. But I liked em.

[@Okkkkkkk-ol5kz]

Pure Imagination is one of the most beautiful songs of all time. So simple, so hopeful, so nostalgic

[@jb888888888]

The film _Charlie..._ changed the ending a lot from the book, namely that Wonka didn't want to let Charlie bring his family to live with him at the factory. IMO a bigger change from the book than the fake Slugworth.

[@bloqk16]

I recall in the 1960s that my grade school teacher [in the US] read aloud "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory," to her students, during the storytelling period of the school day.

[@Powherkrangunch]

Gene Wilder brings so much wonder to the original film! RIP mr. Willy Wonka! I really like how much effort you put into your presentation, research, and display. I also like how you carefully handled talking about how Roald Dahl got upset over the original story changes. For myself those changes definitely helped the story but I'm very respectful towards Dahl for the original story. I hope more wonderful theme park and or classic movie related content is on the way!

[@RubyofTrinity]

LOL I recognize that chocolate stock footage. I must have gone on the Hershey Chocolate World dark ride a million times by now. I love both films for different reasons and honestly, it's a great example of how to do a modern twist on a classic film. The Burton one went in a different direction, while remaining true to the source material and I think that's the best way to go. I know a lot of people didn't like it, but I really enjoyed it. Both films are very different animals, but that is exactly what they SHOULD be.

[@gracekim1998]

Yeah I get it 🙂

[@MsDana-mo9fp]

I saw the Gene Wilder as a young child...never did I ever see the candy in the stores! I so wanted a "gold ticket"! Loved the songs Candy Man & Pure Imagination! This movie seemed to be like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, Dr. Doolittle, & Wizard of Oz - all my favorites.

[@ElFreakinCid]

I absolutely love the 2005 film, and I just want to mention, it makes me happy to see more and more people on this platform speak so positively about it and even defend it.

[@ltchugacast131]

The only wonka bars I’ve ever found have had weed in them. They had golden tickets that read “this ticket entitles you to one trip to The Chronic Zone. You work hard. Give yourself a break.” And honestly it was the best tasting chocolate I’ve ever had also some of the best edibles I’ve had

[@illumindonnaughty]

Now that's what you call a real golden ticket 🎟 lol.

[@greenaum]

Who the heck made them?!

[@yinyangyt8749]

Dang. It’s insane to me of how the process of the movie came to be. The way the characters were, the world, just everything still amazes me. Especially it is insane that it was a failure too and then grew to be something we all knew in love. Man. Hard to believe

[@UltravioletNomad]

Tim Burton's love for cool blue color grading and hard shadows really presents a missed opportunity, as the film is so imaginative but all the wondrous colors are muted and dark. They really could have switched between a grimmer tone and bright uplifting colors. Other than that, I have no real complaints with the film, Depp did a great job a this portrayal thats more or less spot on aside from defining some whimsicality as more quirks of awkward, bordering nuero divergent fancy. On top if that Charlie is just a hell of a lot more endearing. The some of the affects are dated, wouldn't mind a remaster in that sense but we'd more than likely just get another remake in the next 10 years. Its just I realize that when I go back to Willy Wonka its literally just for Gene and the Oompa Loompas, I don't care about any other music numbers or any other characters. And look, as iconic as "I want it now" and the bad egg scene is, having the squirrel knock on her head like its testing a nut and hearing that its hollow... top tier comedy and an amazing scene in terms of effects.

[@accessyourinnerlight971]

Remember, you're talking about a guy whose idea of high fashion is alternating black and white stripes.

[@ZachSMarsh]

I’m so glad I’m not the only one who likes the Tim Burton movie. It’s weird and fun in its own way. You can’t beat the original film, but I do believe the remake still stands on its own.

[@cooperwolfe5478]

I agree with you. As a fan of Tim Burton I really enjoy his version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I like how he just didn’t do a straight up remake of the original film but instead did his own thing.

[@ZachSMarsh]

@@cooperwolfe5478 that’s honestly how all remakes should be IMO. Case in point… Suspiria (2018) Little Shop of Horrors (1986) Cinderella (2015) The Thing (1982)

[@caitlin4786]

Tim Burtons version wasn’t a remake it was just a different take on the source material

[@GrandFunker]

The chicken getting beheaded is and always has been in the riverboat scene...? This is one of my all time favorite movies. I've seen it an obnoxious amount of times

[@nycthinklab966]

Super well Done. Just like reading the book. I can watch this a bunch of times and still be entertained. 👍

[@stevenmccart5455]

One of my fondest memories from elementary school was a third grade te!teacher reading this book to us a chapter everyday to calm everyone down after lunch period. I assumed the book was older than that. It was only a few years old when she read that to us. When she finished she read Charlotte's Web. She had a real talent for reading a story.

[@peteklein630]

At around five minutes when talking about the advent of privately owned theaters I couldn't believe my eyes when a short clip of the, 'Nortown' theater was shown. It was in Chicago Heights, Illinois and I used to go there from the latter 1950's to the 1970's when I moved away. It has to be the same theater because it was basically an overgrown Quonset hut, curved corrugated steel roof and all just as in the video. Brought back a lot of memories for sure. Thanks so much!!!

[@Wildmutationblu]

I was never interested in watching the Tim Burton adaptation but I just ordered the blu ray after watching this. Fantastic mini doc.