YF-23 Black Widow II Vs F-15C Eagle | Technological Gap | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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[@vasilisbill]

YF-23 vs SU-57 next please!

[@leeproffitt69]

GS has it feel to be that Goodyear blimp😝😝😝😂😂😂😂

[@DChrls]

More XF23!!!

[@satcom6]

so far this thing seems scarier than the f22, and i didnt think id say that until the NGAD was fully developed. (seriously, dodging lightning and AMRAAMs while hunting an nearly invisible and fast "ghost" that even your patriot cover cant find). Stealth definetely has its limits but, dang this thing is like "you want stealth? Hold my beer bro. GS hold this AMRAAM". He was playing with his food, that last kill was so disrespectful.

[@keithhoss4990]

Great channel. Always great

[@C0N72]

YF23 pilot must have been laughing his ass off as he rolled up behind you while you're firing AMRAAMs into the void

[@SwazzoTV]

😂😂😂

[@QAjimine1]

😂

[@keithwendl8328]

Just 3-4 million in missles before it blew!

[@larsgottlieb]

@@keithwendl8328 They would have burned with the plane anyway, so, might as well, for the one in a million chance ...

[@usntestjumpr360]

🤣😂🤣🤣

[@yulpiy]

The yf23 is the kind of plane that would send you a pick of you sitting in front of your monitor and would ask "this you?".

[@user-xl6yo5dr6p]

Lol don't be silly

[@heathb4319]

That is hilarious!! And sounds true as anything.

[@ashhawk2346]

Pick?

[@jhonfloibelmiculob6581]

​@@ashhawk2346I think he means is picture.

[@ashhawk2346]

@@jhonfloibelmiculob6581 Yes i know what he meant, i was pointing out his error.

[@AetherialAustin]

Against the YF-23 the SAM site was more there for emotional support than any tactical advantage

[@aztec0112]

I think the Patriot is generally a "there, there" system. It helps you relaxed before you get an AMRAAM proctoscopy

[@dakflyer]

I've always loved the YF-23. I am an engineer and worked in aerospace for 25 years. I was visiting a Northrop Grumman facility in SoCal once for work and at the end of some meetings the prog manager asked if I'd like a tour of the F-/A-18 production line. Ummm, yes please. as we walked down the line and I gawked at everything he could see the excitement in my eyes. He said, "you want to see something really cool?" Um, double yes please. He took me out back behind the building and sitting in a rear parking lot was one of the YF-23 prototype birds. I almost cried. Such a beautiful machine. This was a few years after the ATF fly off and she had been effectively mothballed, engines removed, canopy was coated, etc., just sitting in the CA sun.

[@technobabble_]

There's a bunch of sites in SoCal, which one was the YF at?

[@avd1697]

@@technobabble_western museum of flight in Torrance. F/A-18 line is in el segundo.

[@travisvanalst4698]

I’ll take “things that never happened” for 600 Alex.

[@avd1697]

@@travisvanalst4698 yeah, the pretty inaccurate that the YF-23 is at the back of the F18 production line, it’s in the western museum of flight a few miles down the road.

[@robbabcock_]

"Grey Ghost" was a great nickname for the YF-23; it just pops in and out of existence during a fight!

[@W1ckedRcL]

There were 2 prototypes. The one painted charcoal was the Black Widow. It also briefly had a red hourglass painted on the belly. You're talking about the 2nd prototype, which was painted a lighter gray and was nicknamed Grey Ghost. Both incredible aircraft. I'm a fanboy.

[@F23GreyGhost]

I agree

[@Void_Dragon]

@@W1ckedRcL I prefer Black Widow just because of the chilling name

[@W1ckedRcL]

@@Void_Dragon Black Widow would've been the official name if it were adopted as a call back to the Northrop P61 Black Widow.

[@ralphyboy3636]

By all accounts it was political. The F23 was superior in every way. But the financial kick backs won the contract.

[@rncm86]

The whole entire time I was thinking; "what if the YF23 did the same sneeky thing to GS like the F22 did?"

[@crm247]

YF-23 with that second kill. Go take a shower that was dirty 😂😂

[@XTXImperator]

The lightning aptly accentuates the horror element when using 4th gen fighters against 5th gen ones. Especially one so stealthy as the YF-23. Fantastic flying by Golf!

[@OneMoreDesu]

The YF-23 is an inspirational vehicle. The what-if ideas it invokes always excite me

[@SamFBM]

japan might be using something similar soon according to some

[@lordtwiwi6076]

Also they can always still reactivate the program

[@EDCandLace]

NGAD will take all that was learned from the 22 and 23 and turn it in to something we can't even understand! That things gonna be something else!

[@Mkby88]

I sighed thinking the same thing. What a beautiful aircraft

[@keithhoss4990]

25 years ago I know the YF-23 was better. But today’s technology makes those huge verts a liability. For all the naysayers, there is a reason the Air Force is top Brass

[@the_algo_rhythm]

Daaaaaaamn. I was hoping piloting and tactics might win round 2, but then the Widow just comes out of NOWHERE and riddles you with holes. Definitely a blimp.

[@Bulletoc]

It’s not the plane, it’s the pilo…. *shot from behind*

[@johnbrooks6243]

Yf23 is definitely one of the blimps of all time

[@CaptainLegionary]

Well, you were as effective as a Goodyear Blimp sooo....

[@RogueSquidward]

Would this be any different with an AWACS? That's brutal for how good the Eagle's radar is.

[@mphomatela]

Now that was on my mind the whole time he flew over that patriot site. Its an up vote from me.

[@cockatoo010]

On that old Su-27 vs F22, the AWACS didn't help him, so...

[@kaydenchan7093]

@@cockatoo010🤣🤣🤣

[@allenbt11]

To do what? Confirm the kill for the YF-23?

[@heathb4319]

Good idea.

[@ash0man]

The YF-23 wasn't a slouch in maneuverability either, its twin tails were nearly as large as the main wings of an F-5. Maybe a F-22 vs YF-23 dogfight to check?

[@profo4544]

there about the size of an f-35 wing, and theyve done 3v3 f-22s vs yf-23s on another channel and the yf-23 won more than the raptors.

[@wed_ward]

GS did a 22 v 23 and the Raptor came out on top.

[@SonOfAB_tch2ndClass]

More like the ground won with how much they crash like knobs

[@gabrielraveleau1798]

He already did one some time ago you should find it on his chanel

[@IcePhoenix_yt]

@@wed_wardDid he do a dogfight too? I know he did a BVR fight

[@Ifoughtpiranhas]

The lightning is an omen that DCS needs a English Electric Lightning module.

[@heathb4319]

Yes!! And can you imagine the differential thrust weirdness that would be going on :))

[@rpvsashafierce]

I can't get enough of this YF-23 content. GS, can you do us a solid and do a series with you piloting a YF-23?? Also defending against them too is pretty sweet too.

[@kirsankaifat3702]

I believe there is no proper cockpit model for YF-23, so the video wouldn't look authentic

[@octopusmagnificens]

In this case, stealth is invisible. I have never seen anything like the YF-23.

[@sogerc1]

This was a fairy tale, it's exaggerated in DCS, it was flying above the Patriot site and that didn't see it? No way.

[@rodneypayne4827]

​@@sogerc1 yet you wouldn't say the same thing if it was the 22 would you?

[@sogerc1]

@@rodneypayne4827 Well you can get a lock on an F-22 in DCS, even if you lose it quickly. But I don't think GS ever put it against a Patriot, at least I didn't see it, but I wouldn't believe that either.

[@LTKBrns]

*F-22 flying over S-300s flashbacks*

[@johnbean9797]

@@rodneypayne4827 Neither the F-22, YF-23, or any other operational stealth fighter could fly within 10-20km of a patriot and not get shot down, especially not without heavy jamming.

[@Nick-rb1vk]

I see YF-23 I click!

[@ostrich00]

-2 same

[@Ragnaroknrol]

First fight: “gonna troll him by making him die frustrated he never had a chance.” Second fight: “Now he dies in terror.”

[@MeMyselfI_69]

The lightning strike 13:00 before the kill was awesome! Great video we should have built that aircraft.

[@truthseeker9454]

9:54 - The lightening flash behind the Black Widow's AMRAAM -- one of the coolest shots I've seen yet in any DCS video. You keep surpassing yourself as a video creator, GS. 👌 Edit - And then you do it again at 13:00.... 😄

[@JC130676]

Imagine launching a missile that'll almost certainly kill your opponent, only to see it blasted from the sky by lightning... 🤣🤣🤣

[@CRAZYHORSE19682003]

From what I have read the YF-22 was a less risky design, it was much further along in development and the Air Force was wary about giving Northrup contracts for both the B2 and the YF-23. The YF-23 was supposed to be substantially stealthier, faster and the second prototype had advanced GE adaptive cycle engines.

[@davidryder3374]

That's what I read as well, back in the day. Additionally, there was another Northrup project that had just been cancelled, and the government was worried that that cancellation might affect Northrup's ability to bring the -23 to production. I was disappointed that it all came down to politics rather than quantitative measurements.

[@caseychambers2693]

Which is funny because today I now have worries about Lockheed getting too many contracts. It seems like everything with large bids goes to Lockheed. I’m almost certain they’ll win NGAD and FA-XX. And with HIMARS being presumably the dominant artillery system of the 21st century and also winning naval contracts with LCS you get towards a defense company too large for national security quite quickly. At least Grumman got the B-21 but it seems like Boeing is getting pushed out of the military aircraft market. I guess they can get AWACS and refueling aircrafts only. But we seem to be rapidly approaching a two prime contractor environment where Lockheed builds fighters and Northrop builds bombers and that’s it.

[@CRAZYHORSE19682003]

@@caseychambers2693 Lockheed needs to be reigned in. The LCS was possibly the WORST weapons program EVER for the US Military. While the F-35 is AWESOME in a lot of areas the program itself is a total failure in terms of lead time and cost overruns. The Pentagon needs to write into its contracts that if there are manufacturing or design defects the CONTRACTOR is financially responsible for fixing it. Lockheed has a long history of over promising and under delivering.

[@satcom6]

i just read that quote yesterday myself. Of course a plane is only 1/3 of the fight. the missles and pilot make alot of the difference. (though admittedly the Goodyear blimp with hypersoonic missles and maverick in the pilot seat would still not likely be a good candidate for an operation, unless of course your a big fan of the WWI zepplins. If thats the case then enjoy that little idea).

[@Hebdomad7]

I want to see WW1 bomber Zeppelin vs F22 now. F22 being the natural enemy of the balloon.

[@Jerimiah10]

Literally the best tactic Vs. the YF23 is fly high enough to have time to eject. LOL. Great vid.

[@Tenchigumi]

I still have faith in the "wildly shoot AMRAAMs in a circle" tactic.

[@DavekayBSC]

Loving the Widow content!!

[@deathoftheendless8112]

I saw the YF-23 slide in behind in the rear view mirror at 12:06 and 12:11 time mark and immediately thought, "oh no, deja vu".

[@Simoss13]

Shooting Fox 3's YF-23 at your 6, "Well, hello there"

[@thunderboltcougar5626]

GS :"Fox three.. Fox three.. Fox three.." YF23 watching at GS six :"Da frak he doin ova der ?"

[@dwarvensmith80]

I would love to see the tacview for these 2 fights.

[@miranda.cooper]

YES

[@heathb4319]

I second that idea! Hear Here.

[@kaunghtetthar6556]

vote

[@1armstrong607]

Some of the most consistent and good content i've seen in a long time. Keep up the good work Sidewinder!

[@michagysin3082]

i love the splat and abrupt voice stop when the pilot smacks the ground🤣

[@ZedBanana8]

would love to see a whole series on the YF-23: (1) let's redo YF-23 vs F-22 with GS playing YF-23 this time (2) let's do YF-23 vs Su-57 (3) YF-23 vs Eurofighter (4) YF-23 missions, etc.

[@SM-qo9gr]

12:12 "i dont see anything on the horizon" BUT i see something in the rear view mirror LMAO

[@erasmus_locke]

12:06 YF-23 "Eh, what's up doc?"

[@benkirby8461]

You tried to hide behind Moms apron but didn't realize he was already behind you . Great video . Keep up the good work . Thank you

[@MegaConrad101]

I like it when the planes you're up against makes it a challenge - well done

[@timsullivan4566]

GS, ngl - that blimp quotation had me REALLY doubting your chances today... ...and then seconds later an out-of-the-blue missile alert! 😄

[@davidsapir3764]

Awesome video GS. Nice flying Golf. I've always been awestruck by the YF23's design and aesthetics. It's truly unlike any other fighter jet ever made.

[@andreabindolini7452]

The production F-23A would have been even more impressive!

[@JAEUFM]

Considering the technological advances since the time the YF-23 prototypes were built, I wonder what one built today might be like?

[@Ifoughtpiranhas]

They would likely have to start from scratch. Usually when a program like the YF-23 doesn't get put into production, all tooling used to build the prototypes are destroyed. It would be hella cool though.

[@drksideofthewal]

We’re beyond that, the 6th gen will follow a completely new paradigm.

[@SonOfAB_tch2ndClass]

A lot different that single large bay would probably be split up between multiple slimmer bays as that was one of the reasons the 23 was not picked. Also be a lot heavier due to adding RAM on the production model.

[@MeerkatADV]

A true 6th generation would be all the technological advantages of the F35 and YF23 and better dogfighting abilities than the F22 and F16. And able to be remote piloted.

[@law-abiding-criminal]

​@@MeerkatADVhigh maneuverability is not a high priority for the NGAD

[@rumannkoch4864]

Lockheed won the ATF contract mainly because it was in the Nation's best interest to spread DOD $ as Northrop already had the lucrative B2 bomber contract

[@westernspy517]

GS, the man with the slowest reaction to eject after being shot down.

[@robertswan742]

Thank you for bringing attention to this weather mod - amazing!

[@abot4694]

The way he falls in behind you after searching the area, was both amazing and terrifying!

[@terrellcole7633]

There has never been a more appropriate time to use the meme "why not both" lol. Seriously, the YF-23 is a beast.... and a very sexy beast at that!

[@danielbrown9368]

Could actually see him in the rear view mirror beforehand. Was like uh-oh, this about to end badly.

[@workingonitsoon576]

Post the time stamp bc I didn’t lol

[@johnbrooks6243]

​​@@workingonitsoon576start watching 12:20

[@dl6519]

Very interesting! Whereas the F-22's superiority over the F-15 is spread out "across the board", the YF-23's superiority is concentrated more in the "low observability" domain. Not that we have a whole lot of real-world data points to go by, but my initial impression after watching your two fights against the YF-23 is that the YF-23 is MORE dominant than the F-22 against 4th generation fighters, but head-to-head against another 5th generation fighter the F-22's superior maneuverability would give it the edge as the fight degrades to within visual range on approximately equal terms. So does that YF-23 now have two blimp silhouettes stenciled below the canopy??

[@5BMN]

Well you did better than a blimp since at least a blimp can't try to dodge and blind fire missiles back in the * suspected * direction of the enemy

[@khoatran-sv7je]

YF23 my beloved fighter, what a pleasant surprise! What a disrespectful kill at the end though😂. Thanks for these recent videos GS! Video suggestion: F23 + F15E combat mission together? Or can you fly the F23? That would be fun to watch!

[@dariuszzukowski5244]

It would be interesting to see how an F15 Silent Eagle (the "stealth" version) would perform against the ATFs.

[@demondoggy1825]

No please, Dont say its name. It may hear you.

[@timgilbert460]

REALLY enjoyed this. Thanks for the content

[@We.lovejets]

I love these new videos and I’d love to see you fly the YF-23 sometime

[@swordmonkey6635]

This reminds me of the NGAD fights you had a while ago. Where the NGAD was basically playing chess while you were playing checkers. lol

[@andreasbaer6496]

Please do more YF23 stuff! 🙏 It's amazing what this plane is capable of 😯

[@Boombi_]

I understand how the F-22 got chosen, it was more of a conventional fighter highly manoeuvrable and stealthy enough, but looking back the YF-23 was probably the one to choose, faster and even stealthier.

[@demondoggy1825]

Pretty much. The 23 would also make a better strike aircraft as well.

[@spitfire_flyer5659]

It makes sense to choose it from a capability perspective but the people there chose the F-22 because Grumman was already working on the stealth bombers so they weren’t sure if Grumman can deliver it on time and on budget.

[@tuunaes]

@@spitfire_flyer5659 And the ironic thing is that USAF ended up paying arm, leg and half the internal organs for all cost overruns of Lockheed's F-22 and F-35...

[@JoeKier7]

That was very entertaining! Having seen some DCS videos of F-22 vs F-23, your F-15 had no chance with its RCS.

[@edwardhugus2772]

The old saying of "Sometimes you're the Bear, sometimes the Bea EATS YOU" applies..only now it's "Sometimes you're the F15, sometimes you're the GoodYear blimp." Since you like to play with your food when you're in the F22, you get to see how it feels to be the food! Sort of like the old "It's a Dog eat Dog world....... and I'm wearin' Milk Bone Underwear" Another great vid, thanks!

[@davontewilliams6016]

It was definitely the "Oh no , not again" for me 🤣😂💀. My boy had flashbacks of the other YF project creeping up on him .

[@OldSkoolCarpMan]

I totally understand the business decision to choose the YF22 ahead of the YF23 but the truth is that the Northrop/McDonnell-Douglas plane was EXACTLY what the was asked for in the ATF brief. Truly the best air-superiority fighter the USAF never got.

[@doncalypso]

Dude... can you do vids where you fly the YF-23?

[@Tenchigumi]

I hope that performance convinces him to try. We all know GS loves to punk other jets with stealth.

[@daltonv5206]

Man i cant wait to see what the 2 NGAD lrpgrame produce. Especially since GE just announced their adaptive cycle engine. Speed+ceiling+range+stealth+sensors+

[@LTYTACCT]

Love the lightning effect in the background. It is like an omen of imminent death. It flashes and a few seconds later the F-15 is shot down.

[@Branto123]

F23 looks like a flying squirrel and I can’t unsee it.

[@remain_]

I'd love to see videos using the F-15EX in tandem with the F-35. I'm really curious how tactics might play out.

[@JozMkII]

I actually saw him in the rear view mirror before the red arrow pointed at it. I was practically yelling 'Check your six check your six!!'

[@GreenTea-101]

All that lightning in the air, and a Lightning 2 firing AMRAAMs is such a metaphor.

[@davidmc1489]

I just want to say that you make very enjoyable content....truely enjoy your postings.🎉

[@AnthonyGonsalves-np9vt]

Reminds me of the time you were in the f-22 against a couple of flankers. Laughing while you came up from behind and gun them both. I guess this was payback.

[@skylord213]

The gun scene is beautiful with him coming up behind you like that and than the lightning, looked like a demon coming out of the lightning.

[@jurestormchaser5382]

GS not paying attention to the rear view mirror (again) :)) Only spotted the YF-23 the *fifth* time it appeared in the mirror :)) Spectacular video!

[@robertwood3970]

That roll into the trees is called the blimp maneuver 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MrErictank]

Maximum disrespect on kill #2. I love it. I always preferred the F-23 to the -22 in the ATF program. Watching it appear out of nowhere for the rear-aspect gun kill was just incredible.

[@chadsenate]

The really funny moment when you said "I dont see anything on the horizon either"while that thing just standing there... menacingly... on your rear view mirror.😂😂😂

[@Akumasama]

That was pretty cool I've never seen the insides of a blimp before.

[@user-pw9zm1ig1y]

The Air Force decided to opt for extra maneuverability over extra stealth (and speed). The maneuverability turns out to cost more air-speed than perhaps it's worth. Well, it was all new in those days so "live and learn", I guess. The F-22 is still the most awesome (operational) fighter aircraft the world has seen to date. Can't wait to see the NGAD and see the choices they've made for the future.

[@Nellinator23]

I'm loving the YF-23 content. It's my favorite "fighter that never was"

[@4runnerjuan]

I wanna see this from the yf-23 perspective

[@allaltitudeproductions]

12:12: For a moment you can see the Yf-23 in the rear view mirror, when GS starts firing off AMRAAMs. I said that before I saw the arrow point to it for the second time, but it was there before.

[@isayahlogics9579]

Great video! Thanks! Please do F22 vs YF23.

[@firebald2915]

Lightening has a new meaning.; "You can't see me until I'm behind you. " or " by the time you hear the thunder, it's too late." Presentation just gets better and better. 8 hrs compressed in 13+ minutes ? If it was easy, it wouldn't look this good. But damn, yf-23 is sort of surprising. I thought it looked delicate to harsh combat conditions. Raptor is a taunting, muscle flexin' beast.

[@Geto-Dac]

more like this please when you're the under dog. even if you get smoked, even better content. actually great idea, a series " how/why i got killed"

[@richardescobar1971]

That is crazy, he didn’t even know he was there until the bullets hit the plane. 😊

[@jinchoung]

well, they do say that f-15 has an RCS of a tennis court. like they designed it to be a radar return magnet with 90deg surface joins EVERYWHERE.

[@marktisdale7935]

That was one fast Goodyear Blimp that you were flying.

[@TacoFlavoredKisses]

The squish sound gets me every time!

[@1998232v6]

“Try to eject so I’m not.” *splat lol

[@CertifiedDynamite]

At 11:24 you can see a blip on the radar. Tough luck that GS didn't notice. Also, how was the YF-23 shooting AMRAAMs when its own radar never showed up on RWR?

[@chefboyarb]

i said the same thing.. mabey if he pays more attention to the radar :/

[@Ankhobo]

Not that I'm going to say that this is what in fact happened, but they could have just lobbed maddog missiles.

[@ret7army]

​@@gonepostal9101 Like the F14 and some Russians? Quite possibly but what about TWS wouldnt that get the same result?

[@chefboyarb]

@@ret7army yes. You don’t get a notification when being locked or fired on in tws. Only when the middle goes pitbull

[@jonathanpfeffer3716]

@@ret7armyNo. TWS still emits radiation and will be detected by RWRs (if it is an LPI radar this might not happen. modern RWRs might be able to cut through LPI techniques but nobody knows for sure). IRST/EOTS are purely passive and undetectable.

[@raven1485]

I remember as a kid having the GI Joe Storm Eagle toy which was the YF-23.

[@certinho76]

Wow! That's incredible.

[@robertallison9653]

This is an awesome video! Just imagine the Concorde as a heavy bomber!

[@Dos895]

F-22: "Ehhhh. Been there, done that. I snuck up and formed up on GS's left wing before he noticed me. All without firing a shot.😎

[@Avera9eWh1teShark6]

YF-23 pilot: *teleports behind you* "nothing personel, kid, heh."

[@kennethhicks2113]

Excellent videography !

[@jikemenkins7098]

Really sexy the way 2-3 Golf pulled right into the victory roll after the gun kill

[@productamadeus8745]

Yeah he was wholesale slinging missiles into the Myst!😂 Good Fight GS.

[@cmodlin837]

Great Vid Growler! As a DCC on the F-111E and F models, I always wanted this jet YF-23 to win, and it should have won. Try this again with the F35 vs the YF23, ofcourse you need 23 -golf to assist lol, Great kill 23G!!!

[@nyarlatothep666]

Reminds me of the VF-23's description in the Strike Commander manual: "It eats F-15s for breakfast."

[@TheGamingStormTrooper]

Great Video!

[@bucky5869]

Dont worry, GS. We all had flashbacks of the F-22 forming up on you as well.

[@tomdarco2223]

Right On That was fun

[@straitouttahell]

It's great to see some YF-23 action, even if it is a simulation that is guessing the capability of a project that is still largely classified of an aircraft that never made it into production.

[@cshan2313]

The F-22 flash back is real! Now would have been the perfect icing on the cake if the YF-23 actually formed up xD