Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 Problem Update!

17,000 miles in and Houston we've got a problem..
I went in for a simple rotate and balance and came out with a terrible vibration. Three tries and the tires would not balance correctly. In this video I take you through some before and after, and give you my thoughts on the matter. Discount Tire ended up giving me a full set of 4 new tires under warranty! Not bad!
My Yokohama Saga:
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The tires I have:
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Music:
"Switch It Up" by Silent Partner
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[@RocketScientist]

I started a new series on the Goodyear Duratrac! Check it out! kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYi3mWWXppZ9aLs

[@christophermarsden9386]

That is why I go to Discount tire. Their service is awesome. I had an old set of Geolandar A/Ts on my '04 Liberty got them in '08 and drove them for 10 yrs with no serious issues. Had a tread depth of around 4/5. Traded them in with the Liberty when I got my '15 Cherokee Trailhawk and will be getting the Yokahama's to replace the Firestone's that came with it when they wear out. Of course using Discount Tire.

[@KTporsche]

Christopher Marsden ya some of these techs are out of high school and think they know everything.

[@RoyFJ65]

I switched from Nitto Terra Grappler G2 to Yokohama GO15, I have always used GO12 on my previous vehicles. Difference between ride, noise, wet grip and off road performance is significantly better.

[@kylerkline3980]

I ran a set on my 04 toyota sequoia, loved them. Never had any issues. Was in the Massachusetts/New York border mountains for December. They did amazing on snow covered dirt roads. Never even had to put it in 4x4.

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

I have a Sequoia also 275-65-18 how did they perform in heavy rains???

[@lyfhntr6562]

This is why I just bought a set at Discount Tire today. Great reviews man, thanks.

[@devo8544]

Shaking at 55mph which is 88kmph is exactly when balance related problems kick in. You’d probably find it would decrease slightly if you accelerate and increase again once you hit about 65. Definitely indicates a problem with the balance. It’s a relief to see someone who doesn’t automatically blame the tyre as soon as there’s an issue and say I’m never buying that brand again. These tyres go through such quality control at the factory that most of the time problems are due to external factors.

[@RocketScientist]

My thoughts exactly. I like to find the cause of a problem rather than simply washing my hands of it. The replacement set has a few thousand miles now and still perfect.

[@devo8544]

Rocket Scientist I work for yokohama and have seen the QA and testing first hand. Not saying a fault could never get through but our checks are pretty rigorous.

[@RocketScientist]

@@devo8544 Nice! I value your input on this! At this point, I'm going with the tire shop doesn't know how to balance. Still very happy with them.

[@numnutz4317]

I have these on my 2014 Ram 1500. Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 275x65x20 and have aprox 15,000 miles. I have rotated them with every oil change (5000 miles) and actually had them re-balanced about 2 weeks ago without issue. I love these tires and recommend to anyone looking for this type of tire. The reason I had them re-balanced is because I was never very happy with the job Mavis did originally, I had some shake at like 85 mph. Had high speed balance done at the dealer and couldn't be happier.

[@RocketScientist]

I wonder if a high speed balance would be better. I do have a bit of a lead foot

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

How are they in the rain and snow???

[@michaelmadsen1778]

You have to “Road force” the tires and it will tell you weather the tire has a flat spot or a heavy spot on it causing the shaking.

[@gordjohnson70]

You wouldn't have to move over, if you weren't PLUGGING up the passing lane in the first place.

[@peterengland4745]

Thanks for these videos. I can appreciate it takes time and effort to do them. Based on your experiences I purchased a set for my Ford Ranger. On the drive home today I was blown away by how quiet they are and the solid feel on the road (it was dry but I expect the same on wet from your videos). Thanks again.

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

How are they in the rain and snow and any vibrations????

[@peterengland4745]

@@mercedesbenzs600bash I have not had any problems although the snow experience has been limited - rain is a breeze.

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

@@peterengland4745 Much appreciated...

[@RGDwarq]

Also have G012 in my Mitsubishi L200 for 129.000 km (80.000 miles). Perfect tyres and still rolling . Changing to G015.

[@Rumpole1000]

Ordered a set of these yesterday (29 Aug 18) and should have them fitted by Tuesday. I was using the G012 and was VERY happy with those so thought I'd go with the GO15's this time. Your previous reviews kinda just re-enforced what I suspected was a very good tyre. I'm not concerned about my purchase but definitely interested in hearing an update on what caused your vibrations. Cheers mate and happy motoring (From Australia).

[@RocketScientist]

I had the same feeling. Still a plus an far as I can tell! Thanks!

[@Stay-vigilant]

I have a set of G015s on our Jeep. They are fantastic in all conditions. They owned the recent winter storm in the PNW. Even did very well in the mud after the melt. I think you may have a bad batch of tires.

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

Pretty impressive,I'll be getting them for my 08 Sequoia Limited 5.7L 275-65-18 here in New Jersey,im sure I'll be more than happy....

[@chriscroft2376]

I've had two sets of these same yokohama tires on my 2000 dodge dakota and put 50000 miles on each set and had no problems with them.and I rotated them every oil change.back in 2012 and ,2014 hear in virginia we had like 6 snow storms of 24 inches of snow I put 4 tractor trailer tires mounted on wheels witch weighted about 650 lbs and I could go anywhere.

[@PNWLiving1725]

Mercedes calls the vibration a massaging seat. You pay money for that, and with these tires, you get free.

[@jomeldemdayo3636]

Spot on! 😄

[@ElliebotConstruction]

Yeah, and now its a subscription service 🤣

[@davidkaminski615]

I bought a set for my Sequoia three years ago and had to have them replaced pro-rated under warranty because of sidewall cracking. I have 300k+ miles on my rig, so it's hard to tell what's vibrating, but so far the tires have behaved themselves. These tires are great for Kansas winters/weather/dirt and gravel roads. Never had them slip. Quiet and comfortable on the highway too!

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

How are they in the rain and snow and any vibrations???

[@davidkaminski615]

@@mercedesbenzs600bash No issues have come up for me to think about replacing them. They're not dedicated snow tires, but they're better than all-seasons and kept me going when others were slipping, even on hard-pack.

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

@@davidkaminski615 Much appreciated my man,I'm really thinking about buying a set for my Sequoia,they really seem pretty comparable to the KO2s and the Falken Wildpeak AT3W and their a lot less money...

[@davidkaminski615]

@@mercedesbenzs600bash KO2s and Wildpeaks skew more toward the off-road side of things while the Geos skew more toward the on-road side. So gauge the conditions/situations you'll be using them in to guide your decision.

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

@@davidkaminski615 Much appreciated my man...

[@robtaylor9795]

Ordered full set of G015 (265/50/20) for my Lincoln MKX.. Excited! Informative review 🙂 Thank you

[@oldgit5948]

I have a new set of these installed about 8 months ago. Car body oscillates and shakes like in the video. Wheels and tyres rebalanced from zero twice. Front drive shafts replaced (one of them twice). Shaking still there when accelerating, particularly up hill. Lower wishbones replaced. All suspension and steering parts checked for security. The symptoms only started since changing the tyres. I bought from a discount supplier and am not up for an argument with them after 8 months (but not many kilometres). If my mechanic doesn't do road force balancing I may just replace the tyres with the previous brand that worked well. I was hoping the Yokos would be a good upgrade but I'm not convinced right now.

[@Ricky_R]

Thanks for the update bud, still plan on getting these though. Had Yokohama Advan Sport A/S on my Subaru for over 100,000 miles and can't wait to get rid of the POS Goodyears that came on my Ram 1500.

[@mk2mike]

It's been years, but considering the amount of weight I see on the outside of the tire, you may have just gotten a bad one. I had a similar situation with ONE particular Goodyear Wrangler. Luckily i'm a technician myself and quickly discovered the Road Force data was at 65lbs (wayyyyyy beyond a max of 25lbs for a LT tire), I printed the data, emailed tire rack and the sent a new tire, no questions asked.

[@rippenxwhiskey4358]

I've been around this tread pattern first came out, I myself have had it on multiple vehicles several times. Never had I had an issue, they're an excellent tire and prefer them over anything else in their class. I m about to put them on my 3/4 ton diesel. Well see how they do towing

[@conejoperez3213]

What truck do you have?

[@conejoperez3213]

How did it go with the Yokohama tires?

[@rippenxwhiskey4358]

@conejoperez3213 I have a 2019 ram 2500. It went well, the truck rides really well with them. And I've put 14k pounds on my trailer with these tires, as I expected they performed howni anticipated them to. I know this tire well and it's the only tire I put on any of my vehicles that is 4x4. Great warranty. Great milage. Great all around.

[@NDColorado2023]

I have seen this when someone has hit a bad pot hole and broken a steel belt inside the tire. Sometimes it is noticeable to the installer sometimes it takes a very close inspection of the inner tire. Just a thought

[@RocketScientist]

I probably should have mentioned it in the video, but the tire guys swore up and down that it was not a broken belt. I thought that at first too, it's the easiest explanation.

[@NDColorado2023]

Rocket Scientist, either way, I should have my new Geolander G015 225/55/18 installed late next week. On my 2017 Subaru Forester FXT. Can't wait.

[@TheFlR3StOrM]

That is exactly what I was thinking. A busted steal belt or what I call a warped belt from hitting a pot hole. I have had mine on my truck for 7 years now G015 265/70/16 and getting ready to to get a new set. Great tire for the money and even though they generate more road noise the older they get it is hard to beat a tire that has lasted me 7 years. They have paid for themselves lasting that long.

[@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg]

Yep, threw a belt for sure. I had it happen on a set of Michelins and my car was undrivable. Started off as bad vibrations, then felt unstable in corners. Finally got them changed out and everything was perfect again. Only other explanation would be warping due to a defect in the compound, but that's less likely.

[@megadthes8427]

If I had to bet money, your tire had broken radial belt. It’s not super common but it can happen to any radial build tire on the planet. Given you’re driving in Pothole country USA I’m not surprised. I’m from south central Kentucky and drive in Tennessee often. Roads are the same here! Hope the manufacturer warranty was enforced and honored. I’m looking at a set of these next time I’m on the market.

[@werminator372]

I had a similar issues years ago with some eagle ones on my Celica, took em in and had a warranty prorate replacement but the tire shop was dumbfounded as to why they were shuttering so badly after a couple attempts to balance so they took a guess based on what I described as the corner of the car I though the shudder was coming from and they did some sort of inspection and they determined that one of the belts inside had Shifted some which created kind of an uneven high and low spot that was inducing a wobble and thus causing my shutter!

[@jlt7438]

Thanks for being persistent with this review...really helps. Something I don't see for this tire is the Sidewall ply rating or even the tread ply rating. This makes a difference to off--roaders but discussion on this is mysteriously missing. If you wonder why so many people look at the Geolander then but the Goodyear or Goodrich I think it is because the other companies really push this feature...

[@thomascooley2758]

I have bought 3 sets of these tires, I have had no issue with them. I just put on my last set last week, I changed out my other set of geolander go/15's that were at 4/32 in the front and 5/32 in the rear. The older set I still have, going to put them back on when the winter is over. The older set still did well in the snow, but not good enough for Pittsburgh and the hills. I still was able to get around, but not like they do now with the 12/32 of new tire depth. The older ones still gripped the dry pavement and wet pavement, so like I said, when the spring time rolls around I will be putting those back on to get the rest of the life out of them. These tires last me about 14-17 months depending on how much driving I do, I do a lot of driving. Great tires and like most things in life, you get what you pay for.

[@RocketScientist]

Exactly! You get what you pay for! Until now I've had zero complaints. Just rotated these myself and still smooth as silk.

[@ckkrons2338]

I had a set of OEM Goodyears do that once at about 30k with tread left. Tire shop suspected one of the steel belts came loose internally.

[@venelog22]

I have these tires and i get a vibration on the freeway at about 60mph+ when they're cold. After a few miles the vibration goes away. One review video said that he noticed the vibrations as well if he let his car sit for a couple days. I thought it was a balancing issue but it always return to running smooth after a few miles on the freeway

[@somil07]

That must be an issue of flat spots on tires, happens when you park your car for too long. As you move, the tyre warms up and regains it's original shape.

[@sjgoff]

5 years later... Do you remember if they road force balanced the tires or at least broke the tires down and rotated 180 degrees on the wheels?

[@ValientGamingProductions]

Been in the tire game for last 4 years. From what I've seen it's probably in the bands. It was probably coming apart very slowly. Can happen to any tire.

[@EJGentleman]

I had a set of Goodyear tire that had this problem. It was band separation and Goodyear replace all 4 tires stating it was a manufacturing defect. My tire guy said it can happen to any tire and is usually related to an issue to the tires manufacturing of that particular batch.

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

@@EJGentleman I'm wondering if they were replaced under your road hazzard warranty???

[@EJGentleman]

@@mercedesbenzs600bash Yes. Under their guarentee not Road Hazzard. It was a manufacturing defect.

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

@@EJGentleman Oh ok much appreciated...

[@michaelwas8549]

I had a similar problem with a set of General Grabbers. I had them installed on my 2017 4Runner a couple weeks ago. Well on the same day I had to run over to the other side of town and on the way I developed an incredible vibration in the steering wheel that made me think they forgot to tighten the lugnuts! Well I turned around and headed back home but on the way the vibration was gone! Totally smooth ride, really weird, anyway took it back to the tire shop the next day. They said that they thought their might be a problem with one of the front tires so they replaced both sides. I left and it was smooth riding. But then the next day on a trip out to my sons house same vibration, then smooth again! So I called the tire shop and they asked me if I had another tire preference and I said I"d like to try the Geolanders, so they are installing them on Monday. Really strange, kinda sucks because I really like the look of the Grabbers but I can"t get past this on and off again vibration. Good luck with yours!

[@chuckdearman1243]

Long shot but if ambient temp air you could have a puddle inside the air. Some places have switched to inert gas because of this. Dont know how cold it is there but if its water it could freeze into a big chunk.

[@davideddy2321]

Several years ago had a set of four Pirelli Scorpion A/T ..One blew out @120 Kay’s how I didn’t roll over I’ll never know..Took it back to dealer and he said we will look in to it …never heard back .. First and last time for Pirelli..And on further investigation I was not alone ..second set of Michelin ♥️

[@MattMarshall]

I just came home from discount tire. I was supposed to have a new set of these, but before they put them on, they noticed one of them had a defect. It looked like a divet/warped sidewall near the bead. Anyway, they're ordering another one, and I get to do all this over again. About to email Yokohama Customer Service.

[@andrewpawelkiewicz3182]

Maybe one of the tires slipped a belt. When that happens you can't get it to balance out

[@kevinflaherty3936]

Broken steel belt in tire or one tire in front had a Ware spot from a bad frontend part and it wore just enough that when you rotated them even with the balance it caused the vibration

[@wim0104]

yup, structural damage inside the tire. Were these run offroad at low psi?

[@simonbroddle754]

Interesting video, I'm looking at the GO15's for my Forester. I'm currently using Yokohama which came with the car. It's now got 50,000 miles and I think it will do another 10k. I've not turned the tyres at all, the drive system on the Subaru means that all four are wearing equally. The rear if anything are slightly more worn than the front. Probably due to towing. I've looked at all your reviews and think I'll go with them before we get into Autumn and Winter. I do quite a lot off road but mostly it's wet roads in the UK that are the issue. No worries with snow.

[@rotorspin6127]

A great update, we bought a set for a Freelander following your first impressions and we're still very happy, no problems at all. Lets hope your replacement set don't give you any trouble. We'll be looking out for more of your write ups :) Cheers.

[@RocketScientist]

Thanks so much! So far so good!

[@j301j]

Not sure what model they were originally, but the replacements I got were Yokohama YK HTX (plain-jane truck tires for my work truck). I had two Yokohamas do to me what you are describing, vibration then way worse after "balancing," the first time I couldn't even make it out of parking lot of Discount! Turns out the tread had separated leaving a bubble. They replaced the first one, but for some reason got me for like $275 on the second around 8 mos. later. I have since gone back to Michelin on that truck. Looking for tires for our new '19 Forester Sport and thought I'd look at the GEO15's. But seeing this I don't think they are in the running any more. Too bad, they have that balance between on and off road I was looking for.

[@Packer1290]

I was seriously looking at these but when I found out they weren't 3 peak mountain rated it was a Deal breaker. Especially in the midwest. Went with Mickey Thompson Baja Bosses. Getting them put on next week.

[@mackeycharli256]

Same thing happened with a set of Coopers I had on my GC. Couldn’t balance them no matter what after 25,000kms. Had to get rid of them.

[@Dj_Caribe]

Did you verify your alignment is on point? If not I would get one and eliminate that factor. Why? Because as we know this issue can happen to any tire. I took my Michelins defenders to the shop and they discovered that the tires were cupping. I could physically feel and see the bumps through out the tire. This could be cause by either defective tire from manufacturing, road force or bad alignment. Improper alignment will cause unbalanced wear or cupping on your tires. Google symptoms of bad wheel alignment on tires. The reason for cupping on my tires was because of bad wheel alignment. Around 70mph to 80 mph my steering wheel would vibrate like crazy. I got the wheel alignment done now im going to purchase the Geolandars now and give them a try since everyone has been giving it great reviews.

[@RoyFJ65]

LT version might have issue with vibration due to its weight but of all LT E rated tires Geolandars balance out best.

[@johnviera3884]

A rocket scientist would not let that problem go unsolved

[@damacknificent151]

I have falken wildpeak at3w. They are awesome tires and yes i take them wheeling, not rock crawling. Its weird about the flat spots. I left my truck sittting for 2 months and no flat spots.

[@alegabi1434]

There is a high chance it was the road force on the tires, described by high and low spots in the tire from the factory. Next time you have a issue like that have discount tire write down the road force readout on the receipt. anything over 35 pounds is a issue most of the time this can be fixed by rotating the tire onto a different spot on the wheel. if the road-force is not fixable then there is no way of fixing the vibration, the balance can be perfect on it and if there is a high road-force you will still see vibration - Discount tire employee

[@RocketScientist]

Hey thanks!

[@rapa2464]

I had a similar problem once many years ago. It was a small internal layer separation. Essentially a mfg defect that either got past QC or was considered "within spec". It was purchased from a "discount retailer". One of the tire mechanics hinted that if quality was a concern for me I should buy tires from a "non-discount" retailer. LIke any mass produced product, there are manufacturing batches that don't quite measure up to spec. They are still usable, and may never be problematic, but it's possible. These batches may be sold at a discount, which ripples down to the consumer. The mfg'r knows which batches are "A" quality and which are "B". It's too costly to throw out a batch of tires that are perfectly usable, albeit not up to spec. I'd wager this is the discount retailer realm. I know this to be true with many other mass produced products. It's a matter of economic necessity, and most people wouldn't know the difference. If you do a little polite and discrete inquiring, you may be able to get a company representative to point you in the direction of which batch code you would be "most happy" with... If that information is available, and if you can cajole someone into "suggesting" a "preferred batch code", you may be able to run an end around future problems and headaches. Tirerack.com is very concerned with customer satisfaction. Their entire interface reflects this. In 20+ years I've never had a problem. Partnered tire stores seem to like the business model as it means they don't have to sit on expensive inventory they can't move. I think the actual tires may be a loss-leader for them. www.tireamerica.com/resource/tire-date-code

[@eumghvao3468]

Were they Yokohama tires?

[@farmermike9262]

its called "run out" i had the same issue with one tire when i bought a used truck wasnt bad enough to warrant buying a whole new set

[@whalehands]

You just need to start doing tyre reviews on every single tyre you can do. Your reviews are just real world. Only way I can explain it. Plus you got a hell of a humor. “RegularTyresreviews?” 🤔

[@RocketScientist]

I would, but I'd go broke real quick!

[@Surf_Salt]

Separated belt in one or two of the tires. Often there are no visual clues. When the tire expands at high speeds so does the belt separation and itbstarts to shake. It's not uncommon from any of the tire manufacturers and certainly 'not' exclusive to Yokohama. The tire shop did the right thing, although they could have tried swapping out 1 or 2 replacement test tires and find the bad tire/tires to save themselves from having to replace all 4.

[@RocketScientist]

It's a full time 4x4, so they all have to be equal or it'll burn up my transfer case. Kind of an all or nothing deal.

[@cberown146]

I would love to hear what the issue was. I put about 25k on my set no issues or vibration above the normal.

[@gorewhore1000]

Might be a busted belt hard to see. I had a set on a 15 cherokee and they were awesome. About to put some on my 15 silverado.

[@kyles.3514]

I had the same issue with the OE tires on my '18 GMC Canyon, Goodyear Fortitude HTs.. Dealership tried re-balancing them and claimed they "fixed" it, but the vibration was still there. Had them try again and still no luck. They finally said it was a road force issue and that there wasn't anything they could do about it, which come to find out later is BS.. They just didn't want to do it. I would guess that's the same issue you had. I've done some researching on road force and tire balance issues and as others have mentioned here, I've seen quite a few people say that these technicians who mount and balance tires should know better than to cram a bunch of weights on one side. It will only make a road force problem worse. I have also seen many people mention that the techs should remove the tire and re-mount it with the heavy spot rotated 180° from where it previously was so they don't need 2-3 ounces of weights on one side to balance it. But again, so many of these companies are more worried about speed and cramming in as many customers as possible in a day than taking their time and getting it right the first time. It's sad, but true. All that being said, I finally rid myself of the Goodyears and had a set of these Yokohama Geolandar G015s mounted yesterday. I actually just came across your channel, but all of the research I did before purchase very much matches everything you've said about them. They are the closest thing you'll find to a "best of both worlds" A/T tire. It performs and has the comfort of a highway all-season tire on asphalt, does very well in wet conditions and is fairly good in the snow. It's not meant for serious off-roading, climbing rocks or bogging through mud pits, but it will perform just fine on gravel and semi-rugged off road terrain. My first impression of them was very similar to yours, except I got to test them on wet roads right off the bat, as it was rainy all day up here in SW Michigan. I felt grip on the wet roads like no other tire I've had before.. Road noise is very low and the ride is smoother and more comfortable than the Goodyear Fortitude HTs they replaced. I think I'm going to love these tires over the next few years!

[@RocketScientist]

Thanks man! I'm about 35k on the 2nd set with no issues! Never did hear back about whatever the problem was. Didn't really expect to. You're totally right, and me being the quality-over-quanitity guy I am, the way these places do business irritates me to an immeasurable degree. Best of luck with em!

[@kyles.3514]

@@RocketScientist I was pretty curious how far along you were on the second set, since you hadn't posted another video in three years. Good to know the second set have been great for you. Whatever the issue was, I think it's pretty safe to say it was a manufacturer defect on the first set. Whether it was actually fixable or not, who knows. It's a very distinct possibility that they could have done more to try and figure it out, but giving you four new ones under warranty and having you buy four new certificates on them was probably the better option for them financially. I'm pretty excited about them nonetheless. Today I get to drive them on the highway about an hour and a half over to East Lansing for the football game, so we'll see how they do. I-69 up here is pretty rough, but these already feel much smoother on the road than the Goodyears. Can't say I have ever been impressed with that brand.. Not for truck tires anyway.

[@lambertsaldi1550]

Broken Belt ??? Thank you the Vermonter

[@mikethompson7406]

@2:45 in, I see the problem. You bought them from Discount Tire. They cannot balance a wheel to save their lives. They tried twice on one of my vehicles and then the third time I took it somewhere else because the car was still vibrating like crazy. The next company balanced the wheels and the car ran perfectly.

[@kingstonsean]

I just ordered a set of 4 for my Frontier.

[@lisab3396]

It's now July 2023 and I have the Geolandars A/T GO15's on my SUV since late 2018. Very loud road noise👎. Great traction on dry roads but lousy on snow covered roads! After 4 plus years, there is still plenty of tread as I don't drive a lot anymore.

[@canyonero2050]

This happens to ALL tires, especially A/T tires. They will all lose traction with age regardless of tread depth, and they will all become louder regarding road noise. The rubber compound wears out with age and decreases performance even of you have plenty of tread left.

[@Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy]

I've had this happen with some Mexican made Continentals before. I tend to think, the bigger and heavier the tires, the worse a factory tire imbalance can get. From what I've ready anyway, Yokohama seems to be one of the best at making a tire balanced from the factory. Japanese build stuff well usually. It doesn't mean there won't be a dudd out there though.

[@khalatassi3007]

Although I love your channel and reviews, I don’t understand why you couldn’t just let the Audi pass and get back in the left lane. Would have taken you 30 seconds. Left lane is the passing lane

[@RocketScientist]

Dude didn't even give me a chance before he was all the way up my ass. Payback for rudeness.

[@roadtripproductions8047]

Same problem here, 4,000 miles on mine had them balanced 3 time still vibrating at 55 mph plus

[@TheMerlinmk19]

Belt shift which was no doubt caused by straight wall (hard edged pothole) impact. The tire wasnt the problem necessarily, our shit roads were more likely the culprit.

[@markburrell5670]

On larger size tires it is best to use balancing beads inside the tire . They provide superior tire balancing at all speeds by using centrifical force . They are especially good at keeping the tire balanced as the tread wears . However , not even this will work if the tire is severely out of round , has a tread separation defect , or the wheel itself has been damaged .

[@RocketScientist]

They never did tell me what the actual problem was. I wish I knew.

[@TwoWheeledDecaf]

Bro wtf, I found your video searching around. My G15's are doing the same thing!!!! Roughly 50,000km's on them, didn't do it at the start but now at highway speeds it's intolerable

[@RocketScientist]

Before you freak out, go get em road force balanced. Just had to get it done on some brand new Goodyear Duratracs. Smoothest ride ever. Worth every penny.

[@TwoWheeledDecaf]

@@RocketScientist Luckily I have a spare set of OEM wheels and tyres, I'm swapping them over and will see how I go... Basically like clockwork as I hit around 110km/h the steering wheel will begin to vibrate and shake same as you had happening to your car. At slower speeds it seems fine, also I tested it on the same stretch of road at 35PSI and 40PSI, 40 seemed slightly better but it makes me think it's the tyres and not anything else

[@ernster500]

Great video. Sad to hear you had a problem. Hopefully, these do you right. Question for you, did they replace under the standard tire warranty? Or, did you have the replacement certificates that Discount Tire offers?

[@RocketScientist]

They never actually said which one, but they did say they were returning them to Yokohama, and I did have to pay for 4 new certs, so I'm gonna assume it's under the certs.

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

@@RocketScientist Will they replace them under the road hazzard warranty???

[@midnighttacomaman1088]

Probably because they cris crossed mounted them. I’m ny experience You should only put Right rear to right front and left rear to left front. Otherwise you will get creases from the tire turning in the opposite direction that it originally Was turning in other words the directional turning Of the tire was reversed they cris crossed The tires that is most likely where your problem came in

[@rohitsvs1]

You are funny! 😂 In a good way.😁 Post more travel stuff, would love to watch your videos.😍

[@addictedtoarchery5040]

Should have changed 1 tire at a time just to see which tire was causing the issue. I would have started with the back ones first one at a time.

[@RocketScientist]

Can't.. Its full time 4x4. Good way to burn up a transfer case.

[@maxginossi2273]

Nice video and reviews. Going to discount tires to pick up 4 255/65 18.

[@prizzom]

I had a set of Bridgestone AT tires on my Toyota FJ Cruiser and they were doing the same thing. I think it was because I loaded a trailer and the tires where not LT, they were P rated tires. It caused some cupping on the tires.

[@eBikerHowie]

Discount Tire, Discount Service, Discount Quality. Used them for 20 years, never had a great experience with balancing tires. Went to dealership and perfection. Won't be going back to Discount.

[@thefookery3508]

I got some on my audi same issues but there brand new balanced them 7 time road force balance an they same no issues but still vibration

[@JavierLopez-iy8nz]

I’m not a mechanic but from what I understand if your struts are bad it can cause uneven wear or cupping. That’s probably why it took so long for the problem to rear it’s ugly head. Hope this is helpful....

[@RocketScientist]

Thought of that, replaced all 4 original shocks with Bilstein 4600's. Still did it. Odd thing was, there was no uneven wear. Just balance issues. Any other ideas?

[@JavierLopez-iy8nz]

@@RocketScientist Nope, that’s all I got! I’m having Yokohama Geolanders H/T G056 put on a Mitsubishi Raider right now. While waiting I wanted to do a little research and came across your video. Hope I don’t have the same problem.

[@Highqman1974]

Good for Discount Tire!

[@onemanzone727]

If the vibration started after the tire rotation, you have a bent wheel and when you but the bent wheel to the front, you feel the vibration much more. you wont feel it if the bent wheel is on the back because the rear axle is fixed and you wont notice the vibration. you are welcome ;)

[@rec700]

One question, did you rotate them regularly? Vibrations are usually a common issues of uneven wear.

[@bryanbahling2877]

The balance was off the second time too. I guarantee it. Sometimes you have to pull off all the weights and have them do it again or they just try to add more weights and rebalance with the old ones on.Have had this happen to me a few times at different tire installers. Nice you got a brand new set though after that many miles. Discount tire has been good to me too. Belle tire, not so much.

[@RocketScientist]

Sure was. Terribly. The second try they made it worse and I noticed they had like 3oz. of weights packed together all on one side of one of the rears. Seems like dismounting and spinning the tire 180 on the rim would have been a better option. But hey, got a new set out of it..

[@bryanbahling2877]

@@RocketScientist yeah, my new trick is, every time before I go get my tires rotated and balanced I pull off all the weights myself so they have to start from square 1. The balances have been perfect every time since I started doing that.

[@joebloome2660]

My guess is a broken belt. Is it possible to try the old ones one at a time till you find the bad one? Discount tire may help you out with that. I’m sure they would like an answer too. I haven’t bought a set yet but I’m still leaning towards the same tire in an R20 for my 18 Grand Cherokee. As I said on another of your videos the ones that came on it suck wet dog fur.

[@RocketScientist]

Discount replaced the whole set under warranty. I think i just got a bad batch of something. The second set is doing fine.

[@blaneclark2029]

I bought a set from your updates and love them. Would love to hear how this ends

[@RocketScientist]

Anything else crops up, I will definitely post it!

[@zachl6918]

@@RocketScientist I'm not seeing a video on the new set. Can you please share how they have held up for you now that they are 3.5 years old?

[@RocketScientist]

@@zachl6918 So far so good! Must have been just a messed up set last time. so far about 30k miles and doing great! Yeah been a lot of changes in life over the past few years.. haven't had really any time to do anything new..

[@zachl6918]

@@RocketScientist Thank you for the quick response and I'm glad that the new set has held up well for you so far!

[@jollygoodyo]

You're just about right. TONG TONG TONG TONG TONG!!

[@baine5.7]

I just bought a set of yokohama x-at an i love them , but to the problem, im on few forums, an i heard that the type of rubber if they sit for couple days that could happen, you just drive a little an it stops, with it being uneven.

[@hakwrite]

I just got mine last week. Love em! It does say made in Thailand on the sidewall. I don't care though. Thanks for the videos! How often should I get them rotated?

[@user-ys6my9ib7x]

Rotate every oil change, about 5k miles!

[@alphaomega3766]

How old are your shock absorbers? If their older than 60000 miles they made be the problem. The tires will bounce or vibrate causing tire chop. Will also put undo stress on the springs as they over oscillate.

[@davefrank1967]

I had a problem with Cooper at3 last year started picking up a bad vibration they could not balance the tire they told me the tire was coming apart internally so they put a brand new one on

[@Mr.Beastforpresident]

Nice video, what's up with that white old Skool Honda Prelude? Year, Miles, 4 wheel steering?

[@RocketScientist]

It's a '90, 105k, 5spd manual, No 4WS. Runs like a Swiss watch too! Sadly she's dying of Honda rust. I still drive it around locally just for fun and to save gas.

[@sid-a794]

Based on my experience with Yokohama (M 509A, 539, G012) Yokohama tires should be pumped at least 02, at least more than usual.

[@steves2941]

I'm disappointed in these tires myself. I had Toyota balance the tires 2 times on my Tacoma and they are vibrating at 70 mph. I should have never bought them at the tire rack because now I'm stuck with these sh.. tires. This is a lesson learned, I should have bought from my local tire shop so I could have maybe returned for a better tire.

[@user-jy5dw5ey6z]

Did you take it to pepboys or firestone? If so that might answer your question. Take it somewhere where they specialize in it.

[@brionrjames]

These tyres can distort a little, which causes vibration, sadly not every tyre will do it, so sometimes you may just get one that causes this problem. Typically 4x4 tyre construction is of heavier materials, which when damaged, or distorted will cause bigger problems than with a standard saloon car tyre.

[@RocketScientist]

Yeah seems like a small issue with an LT tire would be felt way more than a regular P-Metric. I still don't know what the actual problem was, but the new set has been problem free so far.

[@brionrjames]

@@RocketScientist I have found continental tyres are prone to uneven wear, and distortion, but not typical for 4x4 tyres, normally caused by impact, or heat, or combination, and rarely faulty production, by is more obvious on bigger tyres, and chunky tyres like the Yokohama tyres you have fitted will be more noticeable at early stages because of weight imbalance within tyre.

[@juliogonzo2718]

It seems like at tires are only good for a while and develop issues later. When they are good though, they are capable of more then you think.

[@SPPTA]

Are you wheels static balanced? (Wheel weights on both sides) or dynamic (one side). I’d be willing to bet someone’s balance machine wasn’t calibrated.

[@SPPTA]

I’ve the same size and set. 20K and still getting after it off-road and on.

[@RocketScientist]

One of them They actually put 4 ounces on one side, covered half the wheel in weights, still didn't balance. My thought was if you're trying that hard, there's a bigger problem.

[@SPPTA]

Rocket Scientist Should have broke the bead on the tire and rotated it 180 degrees. But that’s old school knowledge apparently

[@luisg1653]

Same thing I would think. Of that much weight is on one side it's time to spin the tire and start over.

[@markgraham72]

I just put these on my Toyota Sienna van, By Discount Tire Depot. I also had them do the alignment when I was in there getting tires installed. Unfortunately I have been getting car vibration from the beginning. It seems to really kick in between 65 and 75mph. Have had them rebalance the wheels twice, but I'm still getting the same problem. Not sure what to do now?

[@GunsandGearNetwork]

Did Discount Tire give you a new set? Did they cover anything or did you just buy a new set? What software do you use to edit your videos? Thanks!!

[@RocketScientist]

Yep they gave me a whole new set. The only part I paid for was new warranty certificates (which is what covered the free set) I edit on Adobe Premiere Elements. Thanks!

[@BEA5T5IDE]

Your videos are Awesome ! Very informative. Its about to be winter time here TN hills snow and horrible drivers. I miss Indiana flat snowy roads. Anyways, what warrenty did you have to pay for in the beginning for coverage, i think im going this weekend to put these on my Tahoe. Thanks

[@RocketScientist]

@@BEA5T5IDE I just got the Discount Tire "certificate" www.discounttire.com/customer-service/certificates

[@rorymells3405]

Did you ever find out why the tires were making your Hummer shake? I'm thinking about getting a set of these, size 255 75R 17 for my 2009 Jeep Wrangler...

[@RocketScientist]

Not yet, and I doubt they'll actually get back to me.

[@rorymells3405]

I wonder if when your tires went out of round in the winter when it was very cold caused some internal damage causing vibration? I am going to order these tires, we have cold winters here in Alberta, Canada. I hope these tires do ok and don't turn "square" in the cold...

[@RocketScientist]

@@rorymells3405 I guess it's possible. I did have an unusually cold few weeks last winter, experienced a bit of flat spotting which wore off the first mile or two of driving. Believe me I've been pondering this since I posted it and it's giving me headaches. Haha

[@Dezzylyricz]

Any other updates on the tires? Or about the faulty pair you had.

[@bradmathews9801]

I'm driving a 2018 F150 with all the bells and whistles to haul a travel trailer. Trailer weighs in about 5200 pounds with around 750 tongue weight. My local Ford dealer in Canada has quoted me on these as ideal to haul a trailer in spring and fall when it's snowing up here but nice in the south. Do you think they will take the heat rolling across I-10 in early spring?

[@RocketScientist]

Well, I'm in northern Indiana, so I can only speak to the conditions in my area. I've had no problem pulling my utility trailer full of stuff or my pop-up camper fully loaded for long distances. Made it to and from Minnesota just fine.

[@jimrogers5079]

Brad Mathews I drive a 2013 F-150 s-crew 3.5eb. This week I drove it from FL to GA and back on I-10 in 98• heat pulling a 7k camper at @65-70mph. I have Geolandar AT-S with over 55k miles on 3 tires, and a newer Geolandar G015 on the 3rd where I damaged a tire 2 years ago and replaced it under warranty (discounts tire certificate). They all worked great. I will be getting new G015’s all around next week. Even though the tread is still good on the AT-S, but at just about 56k miles, it’s about time.

[@jefflooking8502]

I had the same thing happen to me on my Silverado bought them had them mounted and balanced and after the third time of rebalancing I started asking the shop when was the last time they had there balancer calibrated. the shop sent me to another shop and they found that one tire was out of round. they replaced that tire and problem was solved.

[@MikeM-ld1rw]

Thanks for doing these Geolander A/T reviews! I'm getting ready to put some 33x12.50R15 on my 1994 YJ Wrangler. It is a summer toy that sees mostly pavement but definitely some light trails too. I'm hoping they are quieter than my current 33's. Sullivan tire is having a buy 3 get one free deal PLUS a $60 mail in rebate right now. I don't think I can pass that up!

[@RocketScientist]

Dude that's a steal!

[@KrackyTheClown]

I saw you today in James Cox live stream and came to give support! #iamacreator

[@mswkt656]

Not to be a smart-ass but it's probably the Hummer. (Really a Hummer) I really like these tires but the tread wear isn't much to great It always pays to at least ask the company sometimes they are fair.(Rarely)

[@alexmoran731]

Nice Honda Prelude 🖒

[@RocketScientist]

Thank you! It's a '90, 106k miles. Wish it wasn't slowly dying of rust, but still runs like a Swiss watch!

[@bengleckl1877]

How did the second set turn out?

[@RocketScientist]

so far so good!

[@bengleckl1877]

@@RocketScientist how many miles on the second set??

[@RocketScientist]

@@bengleckl1877 About 38k so far. Doing good! Way more than the first set.

[@bengleckl1877]

@@RocketScientist im getting a set put on Friday with some new rims on my tacoma..

[@mujjuman]

i wish there was discount tire in new york. i miss chicagoland

[@DowntheWrabbitHole]

Just checking on you - hope you are okay and everything is just busy. Will you be making more videos in 2020?

[@RocketScientist]

Hey! Thank you! Yes I'm still alive. Lots of other stuff had to take priority over video making this year. I'll be back at it soon!