Yossi Klein Halevi on the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict 12/4/23

In 2018, author Yossi Klein Halevi wanted Palestinians to understand his
story of how Israel came into existence. At the same time, he wanted
Palestinians to tell him their personal and national stories, too, about
the same land. The result was Letters to My Palestinian Neighbor, a
candid, heartfelt book that engaged Jews and Arabs around the world in
conversation. Listen as Klein Halevi talks about his book and the
Palestinian-Israeli conflict with EconTalk's Russ Roberts.
Halevi explains why he believes that dialogue is possible, even when
there are things about which the two sides will never agree. Finally, he
speaks about where he sees Israel headed in the wake of Hamas's brutal
October 7th attack.
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[@izzykhach]

Einat Wilf has in her own way made similar overtures, looking in desperation, for a Palestinian who concedes that we are nation indigenous to the land. She claimed to have found one person - Mohammed Dajani, an Al-Quds University professor who was fired after taking students on a class trip to Auschwitz.

[@dianaroque8458]

As an American this was so informative and I really enjoyed this so much. TY❤😊

[@bell1095]

17:20 - One point is always missed, so here too: Before the 1947 „Partition-plan“ or better „partition-map“ the „arab-state“ out of the British Mandate for Palestine was already established in May 25 1946 as the Kingdom of Jordan on „Trans-Jordan“. In 1946 the arabs did not „take“ Cis-Jordan ! Why ? They left it for the Homeland of the Jews - on what issue they kept beeing sensitve about since 1922 LoN San Remo ruling, to which they then agreed. Between May 1946 an Nov 1947 - they changed their longterm policy, to become hostile against the jewish state, and kept on targeting to anihilate it, until hamas 2023. Mr Klein Halevi misses that fact entirely. He should teach the Arabs on Jordan, as their unilateraly chosen state. The 2-state-solution was fully implemented on the Britsh Mandadate in 1946/1948. In 1967 Israel reconqured its land (West-Bank) from Jordan. If you like, it occupies its own land from 1948. It cannot Annex its own land, but only reunite it.

[@wytrose4602]

Prior to that, in the 1st war, they sent British troops to clear the people, both Jewish/ Muslims and Christians, from the land . twice .. they gen ocided millions..Muslims ruled were the only ones who would take Jewish in ..the European were not excepting the Jewish people who weren't supposed to own a nations/ lands based on their own religion in the original. text.. They were taxed more than others.. Except in the Muslim countries.. .. Palestinian are Muslim and Christians, Jewish . No, there are coins that are collectors coins, it says Palestine 1940s . Bebe has been sabotaging any and all agreements its in the official documents of the state nation..All even before he was in on the assisnation of the leader who was one of the best leaders who wanted peace built a stuffed likeness..he is a very bad guy a f a c sist selfish he is going after anyone of his own who disagrees this is from the other party of the gov..he just turned his back on the hostages. In fact, yesterday he had a couple of them shot as the Palestinian freedom fighters ( they aren't hamas they are young guys who grew up there) they thought they would trade hostages for the kids and ppl who are basically hostages no charges they aren't even called that..they were trying to save them.. you will find that on Muslims' sites and the grayzone Norman finkerstien Katie harper. You could say hey I took the land why are we still going through this the issue is that they were promised that they would get their land back second they have been imprisoned in a C camp . Isreal full control over their entire lives food ( linited to just above starvation, electricity cut off after 3 hrs tops daily. Zero passports control over movement denied prayer..Zero ID zero passports. Occupation has zero right to self-defense. Under international law. The Isreal leader funded this hamas group and was also there Oct 7th with hell fire mistles tanks used Hannibal directive.. killed their own find those facts on same site.. apartide C camp in the 21st century not okay . This new group has written their own needs they never said anything about wanting Jewish out at all ..they want peace and want access to the al asqua mosque that they are being blocked by being beaten killed sprayed with a tank of pepper spray by the truck.. Forget hamas it's an excuse for the mass AI Assinasion factory.

[@kimberlywallace6148]

There’s very few of us that know the historical facts. I’m not Jewish, nor am I a practicing believing Christian, but in my last year of high school I developed a keen interest in Israel, Islam and The Arab Israeli Wars. I wanted to make a career in Middle East Affairs but my family didn’t share my enthusiasm and so I became a Nurse instead. I never gave up my passion for the history of Israel 🇮🇱 and even The Bible. I’ve visited Israel 🇮🇱 several times over the years. Israel is a modern day miracle and to see and hear the Western World calling Israel an “Occupying Force, an Apartheid State, Nazis, Genocidal Zionists who stole the Palestinians land etc” I’m appalled!! Israel made one mistake before and after 1948 and that was not addressing The Palestinian Propaganda War. Now I fear that this David vs Goliath narrative is firmly planted in The Western World’s psyche.

[@ShalomFreedman]

This a remarkable effort to introduce to those who have not followed it closely what some call the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Yossi Klein Halevi made an original effort to be fair to both sides of the conflict, in my opinion leaving over backwards to present the Palestinian narrative in a way which would be acceptable to the Palestinians themselves. So far as I know no Palestinian, no Arab has ever made an effort to present in a respectful way the Jewish or perhaps more precisely Zionist narrative. Klein-Halevi says the conflict can be best understood by understanding how it all started. I disagree with this completely. I think the real understanding comes from looking closely how the conflict has developed, and how the sides have related to each other through the past one-hundred fifty years. Here we see the asymmetry which has made any kind of peaceful solution impossible. All along the Jews agreed to some form of compromise. No Arab leader ever agreed to recognize any part of the Holy Land as a Jewish state. At the same time and all along there has been violence, terror against Israeli citizens in most cruel ways. Israel has made territorial offers including at least two which would have given Palestinians all that advocates of the so-called two-state solution demand i.e. almost complete control of the West Bank and an Arab capitol in East Jerusalem. I doubt that few followers of the conflict understand that as it is now the Jews are forbidden to pray in their holiest place at which Muslims have exclusive religious rights. This to my mind capsulizes the situation where there is one party whose supreme value is Peace Shalom and another which unfortunately preaches too often for Jihad.

[@manimamanima]

Distortion wont help the truth

[@paulamarsh1]

What has been distorted ?

[@edelsmith1138]

Israel was supposed to get much more land, originally. It included, what is now Jordan, and parts of Syria and Lebanon. When Jordan was created a d given to Arabs, there are 2 states. One Jewish state and one Arab. What also has to be said, is that the demise of the Ottoman Empire, was a time for new nation states to be created. Israel was one of all the other Middle Eastern nation states created during this time. One could argue, if Israel is not legitimate, then all the Arab states are not legitimate either.

[@barbrokjelkerud]

Jag vill bara påminna om Andrei Gromykos tal i FN våren 1947, ett starkt tal som jag har i min.hand. Jag har ALDRIG hört någon nämna det

[@gilleek2]

Around 41 minutes Russ mentiond education and policing of aarabs inside Israel. Why is the education for Arabs inside Israel not the same as the education for Israeli's? Ditto police protection?

[@Marshabar1]

But each side will NOT give up something. Get real.

[@YZPeaceMaker]

Maybe where we are now you are correct, and it is a tragedy in that case, as we will have more of the same for many more years. However, in the past Israel offered a valid 2 state soloution several times. The Palestinian side always declined, and followed with waves of terror.

[@bikerabbi]

Yossi mentions in the last part that Israel, which perceives itself as so strong, has experienced the devastating blow of October 7, "... by the weakest of Israel's enemies..." Is this not somewhat the reverse, ( though qualitatively worlds apart) psychologically, of what some claim is at the heart of Palestinian intransigence against Israel and the Jews - that the weakest of Islam's enemies, the dispersed,disorganized, defenseless Jews, rise from the ash heap of history, and displace, defeat and dishonor the once powerful Muslim nations?

[@barbrokjelkerud]

1882 var det verkligen palestinier där då? Var det inte araber och judar. Kom inte Palestina och palestinier med Yassar Arrafat och PLO. I en intervju med Golda Meir någonstans efter 1967 , hon talar om det Brittiska palestinamandatet och där var det araber och judar, enligt henne.

[@paulamarsh1]

Although no actual state of Palestine existed, Golda Meir is correct on two accounts : there were Jews and Arabs (she if course ignores the Christians, Dhruze and other minorities but that's not the point). And secondly, she admits carrying a Palestinian passport until 1948. This is because the state of Israel didn't formally come into being until 1948. However, there were numerous attempts to create the new country fir the Jewish people, and they did use the term "Palestine" - the Bank of Palestine was founded by Jews, the Palestine Post newspaper, the 1935 Football League of Palestine was all Jewish .. there was even a "Palestinian" flag with a Star of David in the middle!

[@dreamcatchersong]

Bottom line guys, Israel took the land by force, expanded the land by force and unfortunately for Israelis will have to continue to use force to retain the land, unless it's prepared to SHARE the land.

[@norriej9873]

I wonder what was the motivation by Dalfour, the foreign minister of UK to do Dalfour Declaration. Was there any monetary payment or other kickback personally to him or UK at that time? Was it one big conspiracy?

[@sandytatham3592]

Isn't it motivation enough that this was how the Jewish people were granted the chance to reconstitute their ancestral homeland? With all of its occupants having equal civil and religious rights? I'm sure there was money to be made out of the war, but what's new in that? If the Jewish people (and the Hejazi Arabs) had NOT supported the Allied Powers in WWI against the Ottoman Turks, and the Allies had not defeated the Ottoman Caliphate, what do you think the outcome would be now?

[@svenhanson398]

Next year in Jerusalem, a Rabbi says that it refers to the Messia's return to Jerusalem, not the Jewish people.

[@alrosano5786]

Ostriches

[@neooutdamatrix]

is it true DNA tests are illegal in Israel?

[@regant.cameron8237]

Interesting I'd love to know if there's any truth to that.

[@LawOfNonContradiction]

lol No

[@shining18110]

of course it's not true!

[@ipitchford]

Most of Halevi’s narrative is either confused or incorrect. Great Britain decided in 1917 that there would be a Jewish National Home in Palestine and they created it. They also decided in 1948 that there would be no Palestinian state and in February ordered Glubb (the British general in command of Transjordan’s army) to annex the West Bank. These are the facts. It doesn’t matter what the national narratives assert.

[@milton976]

The statement you provided contains a number of inaccuracies and oversimplifications: Claim: "Great Britain decided in 1917 that there would be a Jewish National Home in Palestine and they created it." Refutation: The Balfour Declaration of 1917 expressed British support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine. However, the actual creation of Israel occurred later, with the United Nations' approval of the partition plan in 1947 and the subsequent declaration of the State of Israel in 1948. It wasn't solely a decision by Britain; it involved international processes and negotiations. Of course your statement also ignores 3000 years of Jewish History, Herzel and the zionist movement ect. Claim: "They also decided in 1948 that there would be no Palestinian state." Refutation: The situation leading up to the establishment of Israel in 1948 was complex and involved multiple parties, including the United Nations. The Arab rejection of the UN partition plan played a significant role. They started a war and lost it. The idea that Britain unilaterally decided against a Palestinian state oversimplifies the geopolitical dynamics of the time. Claim: "In February ordered Glubb (the British general in command of Transjordan’s army) to annex the West Bank." Refutation: There is no historical evidence supporting the claim that Britain ordered Glubb Pasha to annex the West Bank in February. The annexation of the West Bank by Jordan took place after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. It was a result of the armistice agreements between Jordan and Israel in 1949, rather than a decision by Britain in 1948.

[@craigb4913]

Britain didn't "decide there would be no Palestinian state." After WW2 they didn't have the power to decide such issues. Britain turned the issue over to the UN, which settled on partition-- a "two state solution." The Arabs rejected partition because they rejected a Jewish state and didn't want to share any land with Jews.

[@FlamingBasketballClub]

The whole two state proposal ignores the fact that colonization lead to Palestinian land being stolen.

[@ipitchford]

@@milton976 I gave up covering this stuff about 15 years ago because it’s just about impossible to get people to look at the sources, but the extent to which Britain determined the creation of Israel is covered thoroughly in Segev’s ‘One Palestine, Complete’. The meeting between Glubb and the British government in February, 1948, during which he was instructed to thwart the creation of Palestine, is covered in Graham Jevon’s ‘Glubb Pasha and the Arab Legion’ and also by Avi Shlaim in ‘The War For Palestine’. Of course there’s nuance and narrative, some of it consequential, but the colonial power had the resources to largely determine the outcome and that’s what they did.

[@milton976]

​@@ipitchford You are deflecting. Are you neglecting the fact that the arab countries did not accept the partition plan and started a war? Or that the UN voted for Israel? nice history lesson. All of the sources you gave are not mainstream. Interesting discussion to have in sterile academic circles, but not connected to the reality of the main parts of the story.

[@monicaalvaradogrijalva8533]

This man Halevi is just saying nonsense

[@1234singer]

Truth hurts

[@Johnnigstomp]

This was like listening to the bully at school saying he was attacked because he was bullying someone who was sick of their shit and they fought back. You’ve had to Zionist on and both have taken me from neutral to sympathetic for the Palestinians.

[@inkipinki8468]

If you believe this. Total biased nonsense!

[@jalemairliha]

Maybe you're the one hung up biased nonsense.

[@danakaleb4882]

As mr. Halevi told you - we’ll never agree.

[@LawOfNonContradiction]

name a single thing that was "nonsense"

[@1234singer]

Well you believe islamofascist narrative.

[@veronikaquinton8447]

sad shameful and barbaric treatment of Palastinians in their land. Atypical attitude of a colonising settlers from Europe.

[@paulamarsh1]

Silly billy ! Have you nit learned your history at school ? Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews are not "European" and Jews have never "colonised" their own land...go back to kindergarten! 🤣

[@1234singer]

HAMAS doesn't treat them well using tgem as live shields. 70 per cent of popukatiin in Israel are brown skinned Jews from Middle East and arabs. Stop with your BS