YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED to Compare Starfield & Baldur's Gate 3

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Are we allowed to compare Starfield and Baldur's Gate 3? They're totally different games after all... OF COURSE WE ARE...and that's exactly what I'm doing here; comparing how different games incorporate various elements of game design to different levels of effect, and because these elements transcend genre, art style, mechanics, platform, etc., it's perfectly fair and actually quite fruitful to have discussions comparing how well, or poorly, they each go about accomplishing their game design goals. Including mentions/examples from other games including Outer Wilds, Cyberpunk, Skyrim, No Man's Sky, and more.
0:00 Why we can and should compare different games
4:16 Attention to Detail & Environmental Storytelling
12:28 Rewarding Creativity, Curiosity & Exploration
15:36 Wasting Time w/ Pointless & Boring Dialogue
17:27 Contrived Plots & Omniscient Companions
21:05 Roleplaying & Meaningful Choice
31:49 Hand Holding, Player Agency & Interesting Outcomes
44:18 Voice Acting & Dialogue
49:41 More Dialogue…
52:43 The worst quest in Starfield
1:00:26 Cyberpunk Makes Starfield Look BAD
1:03:35 Is Starfield Really an Open World Game?
1:07:58 Starfield refuses to shut up
1:10:09 Mars made me hate the game single handedly
1:21:57 Bethesda forgot how to make quests
1:25:21 The best quest in Starfield
1:27:18 Starfield’s complete and utter inability to elicit a single emotion
1:34:02 Baldur’s Gate 3 makes me feel all the things constantly
1:37:48 Bethesda isn’t even trying at this point
1:40:39 You don’t need incredible voice acting, music, or graphics to tell a story
1:42:18 How does Starfield tell the story of the biggest tragedy in the universe?
1:49:20 How does Starfield handle the final epic boss showdown?
1:50:13 Final Thoughts
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[@FuncleChuck]

People have a very hard time separating “I had fun playing this game” and not taking it personally when you point out the flaws, because they were able to ignore or overlook them so they assume you’re just being a dick… who can say who’s right and wrong.

[@moose8337]

I swear it's because they end up feeling dumb for not seeing the obvious flaws right in front of them and that makes them feel inferior.

[@BillClinton228]

It's just a video game... you can live the rest of your life not playing this specific video game and you wouldn't have missed anything🤣🤣🤣

[@Battleneter]

All I know is, I was playing BG3 as Starfield launched and about 60 hrs in great game. I am now 170hrs deep into Starfield and have no desire to return to BG3 any time soon. Is BG3 a technically better game, I think so and I plan to get back to it, but I am simply finding Starfield more fun as I slowly chip away at it.

[@BrickDaniels-qu7bz]

@@Battleneter I think you're a liar.

[@hitman-mq1wk]

​@@BrickDaniels-qu7bzI think you've never played starfield

[@danoeel3909]

For BG3, my 10 yr old walked in and saw me playing and pointed to astarion and asked “who’s that vampire?” And I asked what makes her think he’s a vampire, her response “because I have eyes” 😂😅

[@Stforv]

Well, he's pale, red eyes, fangs, and a bite on his neck, pretty obvious actually)))

[@Grummar]

Congrats on a genre-savvy 10-year old, heh!

[@crimsonstride5457]

Literally me too except it was who's that twink vampire

[@gerhardadler3418]

I thought he is gay, the vampire thing came only later into my mind.

[@Stforv]

@@gerhardadler3418 That was a first thought about every male companion)

[@ItsShatter]

A voice actor wins an award for best performance of the year, and BG3 just gives you the opportunity to kill them off almost immediately. That is amazing freedom of choice.

[@ionicafardefrica]

though, in all fairness, I think Ketheric Thorme's actor did much better. As well as the guy who voiced Minsc. But hey, what do I know, I'm not a critic

[@ItsShatter]

@@ionicafardefrica you can kill both of them basically as soon as you meet them too! Though, yeah, Matthew Mercer did a great job voicing Minsc!

[@fepethepenguin8287]

Hoo won voice actor? Astarion??

[@ItsShatter]

@@fepethepenguin8287 yes Astarion

[@fepethepenguin8287]

@@ItsShatter oh cool.. I thot he did great.

[@OuterRimPride]

I like that you’re comparing some of the most mild and unimportant interactions in BG3 to some of the most central quests in Starfield but they’re still more thought out

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

Doesn't take much with Bethesda's awful writing. Fact is that Larian's writing is fucking atrocious as well, just in a different way. Play Divinity OS1 or OS2 and you'll see what I mean.

[@teeman7137]

⁠@@Molotov_MilkshakeI see what you mean but at the same time, they have great moment too. It really sucks to point only the weakness. At least Larian writing is eloquent and fun to read in comparaison with Bethesda

[@ProjectMalywix]

@@Molotov_Milkshake Oooh, so you're just kind of down here spreading L takes as a bait on every comment. Gotcha, keep at it bud.

[@christophstangl9706]

@@ProjectMalywix its not bait, hes just a narcissist who thinks that everyone but himself got bad taste

[@schwany6703]

​@@Molotov_Milkshakesure maybe larian writing isn't the greatest thing of all time, but "fucking atrocious" is ridiculous to say

[@bananaana1860]

I can't help but also mention, if you fail a dice roll, Larian actually has scenes of you failing. If you fail a deception check, enemies obviously aggro. But if you fail a strength or dex check, you see your character failing. If you fail an Intelligence or Arcana check, the narrator actually says it in a "dumb" way, where you as the player don't get further clues. If you fail an insight check, you don't notice other's lying to you. I have endless praise for this game, and I will not shutup about it

[@gageriddle1681]

Oh the best part eoth the insight thing. That reminds me about the emerald Grove kids. Forgot her name but she's the pink tiefling kid that Mattis was using to pick people's pockets. Well anyways I passed my insight check that told me her tears were real and she was actually stressed out. Bear in mind I would've actually smacked the shit out of her if I failed that check. That's something I can't say I've ever had in a game before and that's just a mundane example

[@flatline-timer]

Oh yes! I LOVE it when games 'reward' failures like this, making it a legitimate choice/option instead of just something to avoid.

[@VaellinTheBard]

Or legitimately having certain spells on that change interactions. Speak with Animals is obvious, but there's also Detect Thoughts and I am willing to bet others. I'm only on Act 2 atm but holy cow.

[@xuanathan]

Have you seen what happens when you fail the performance check to skip the queue in the house of healing? Genuinely hilarious

[@chicken4090]

Shut up

[@JoeNoshow27]

Starfield is pretty impressive looking for a 2010 game. I'd love to know what it would look like if it'd been released in 2023.

[@EstariaValens]

This is my thought exactly. Well except for the impressive part. It would be a good game in 2010. That's about it.

[@JohnnySkrimblo]

​@@EstariaValens I disagree, it pales in comparison to its peers, Fallout New Vegas, Halo Reach, BioShock 2 and Mass Effect 2... Star Wars Force Unleashed... Red Dead Redemption....

[@j85grim4]

This is no joke, the facial animations look worse than in Fallout 4. No one moves their eyebrows up and down constantly for no apparent reason when they talk like that and the lips moving look just strange, unnatural and spongy. How can more money result in worse animators being hired?

[@nocturnal101ravenous6]

Its a modders paradise game, I personally see it as a Tabla Rasa of sorts, Its a bunch of minigames put together and none of it particularly does anything above an average rating, its the most unremarkable game I have ever played. Its a game I would say wait 5 years before you touch it, You want all the patches expansions DLC and most of all the access to the Mods that would make the game into actually something.

[@Hellaluyeah]

Yeah, except like other have said, it actually looks worse. Compare that space bar at 19:23 to the bars in Mass Effect 2 (2010) and I would pick the Citadel every time. It is also so immersion breaking having the NPC models carrying bags and suit cases....in a bar. What were they thinking?

[@braedenhaeck7030]

My baldurs gate moment was when my entire party failed a strength check on a statue, so I randomly decided to throw grease at it, and it suddenly moved. Maybe it’s kinda silly but that just felt so cool.

[@shadowwolfkan9358]

I... I feel dumb. I didn't even think of that.

[@nickhutton9216]

Because that's a real life experience

[@itsmenoname2247]

these little things make gaming fun.

[@kiwa_1]

Same for me, but in my case I just got angry that they all failed and decided to hit it. This also made it move. They thought of everything!

[@ChrisMorray]

I know the exact statue you're talking about too. One of the two statues in Lathander's monastery that hides the legendary weapon. I failed them all too and just whacked it out of anger with Karlach, and then it moved and I just went "Wait WHAT?!"

[@alphgeek]

The cats in BG3 have more personality than the Starfield NPCs.

[@vindicator879]

HISSS.... I say HISSS!!!

[@TheParagonIsDead]

Nahh

[@CMDRunematti]

The single one time when Victor tells V that there's nothing anyone can do in the beginning of cp77 is more impactful than anything starfield

[@chloewebb5526]

Oh god I know. And the female voice actress reallly hits those emotional notes in parts like that. Hell, I cried my eyes out hearing her and johnny's talk in the new ending... Hell, Phantom Liberty had me crying like 6 times as I played through it for the different endings... great stuff

[@sydhamelin1265]

Yeah that was a really strong scene, scary, sad, crazy. Then the follow up with Misty, really made you feel the weight of the story.

[@NeonPixels81]

This is an interesting take because so many times during Starfield, I actually found myself wishing I was playing Cyberpunk 2077, oddly, which six months ago I would have thought was crazy. The story in CP2077 took a dive at the end, but there were some very, very good moments along the way that were extremely memorable. The only memorable quest I can think of in Starfield is the choice between the UC or The Fleet, and even then it was only memorable because it was so looooong. It actually made me nostalgic for Fallout 4 and how quirky and interesting a lot of the side quests were. Remember the one where the Ghoul kid was trapped in a fridge for like 100 years or something? Even that silly ass quest was more memorable than 90% of Starfield.

[@hiage66666]

@@chloewebb5526God I cried so hard at the end of Phantom Liberty, I feel you so much

[@Malaclypse_the_Third]

I think it's because bits of Starfield feel like poor quality Cyberpunk? Neon City and the combat movement for example.@@NeonPixels81

[@andreaw2053]

Was playing Bg3 with my partner the other day. We came across a book on a pressure plate and I jokingly said we should try the Indiana Jones trick. Queue us giggling like 10 year olds as my partner moves as far away as possible while I carefully maneuver a pot onto the pressure plate and remove the book, expecting it to be like any other game where I'd instantly explode for trying something so silly... I did not, in fact, explode... The game actually allows you to do the Indiana Jones trick with no prompting, hinting, dialogue options, nothing. BG3 rewards players for thinking, whether it's pure ingenuity or a silly joke idea.

[@theblackoutexplorer2658]

Huh… dam I should of done that, I just used my magic hand too throw the book over the bars. Trap can’t kill Me if i don’t enter the room

[@SolarisKane]

@GodNotReal I wouldn't waste your money on Starfield, at least not for several more years. Wait for the complete edition to be on heavy sale. By then there should be plenty of mods to make the game a little more enjoyable. Baldur's Gate 3 though is worth full price right now. Shit man, I've got 200 hours in the game since full release and I've only barely touched act 2, because I keep making new characters to try new builds and do different stuff in act 1, there's so many things to do in different ways.

[@heftymagic4814]

hah gay

[@queengames8421]

It's funny you mention that, because I had almost the exact opposite experience with a different trap. It was the sarcophagus trap in the temple. In case you missed it, the set up is that when you open the sarcophagus to get a key, gargoyles on the wall start endlessly shooting fireballs, while vents on the floor spew grease. Now, I already knew that you could put objects on the vents to block the grease, but the fireballs were a problem. They exploded when they hit the sarcophagus, so there wasn't really a safe spot. So I backtracked out of the room, and picked up nearby chests (which have very high HP pools) to put in front of a few gargoyles so they'd be blocked on the side my character was picking up the key from. Except it didn't matter. Because the fireballs don't interact with environmental objects, even if they have health. They just *phased right through* the chest. As far as I can tell, there's no mechanical reason why this is the case, considering they did interact with the terrain. Baldur's Gate 3 has a lot of possibilities, but it seemingly only rewards player for thinking of the ideas that the developers also thought of. It's just that the developers DID think of a lot of these solutions. It's just a very weird issue to have, if you even consider it as such.

[@Vulken2000]

@@queengames8421 I thought I was the only one to try blocking fireballs. XD

[@Charsept]

Baldur's Gate 3 and Elden Ring have something in common. They both have a frick ton of content that they don't care whether you see or not. Even after a 100 hour playthrough. You know for a fact that there is another 100 hours of stuff that you missed.

[@marcpaulus6291]

i am 120 hours in Starfield and havent even done 50% of the Game. If you take your time like in all Bethesda games, exploring and doing side content (wich is always better than the main story line) and dont rush the main story and leaving the other 70% of the game aside like veritas did (and we are even not speaking here about the NG+) then yes, Starfiel has as much content as Elden Ring or Baldurs gate.

[@scrublord7922]

​@@marcpaulus6291doing the same procedural cave/outpost kills my immersion. Skyrim and fallout did exploration better.

[@nickrubin7312]

Exactly, one of the few games that don't really care, but reward players if they want to explore and see content, and don't treat player like a mindless drone who needs to be guided all the time

[@maze8974]

@@marcpaulus6291 I did most of side content I could find in starfield. It was fetch quest or kill the same pirates again and again. I found a few quests that was not one of these two options and they were very poorly written and bad....Player almost never have a choice to make. The only choice I remember was with the ship that travel hundreds of years and the choices given are all bad (while all the other guest make u a good guy). U can destroy the ship but u can't kill the CEO ? bullshit... Starfield is ugly and boring...no choice, bad writing, the world is bland and uninspired.

[@bobmcbobbington9220]

Content isn't impressive and never will be impressive. Something BGS and their fans don't understand. You fell into the same trap. Nobody cares how many hours you put into something.

[@bananaana1860]

One thing I haven’t seen people mention about BG3, is the side quests are not all over the place. I don’t have to go back and forth between npc to complete the quest. If I do, it’s near a waypoint, it’s returning once. Or I actually get to meet them at another location, WITHOUT A QUEST MARKER in game world. It’s not a hassle to complete side quests in BG3. And at any moment you can antagonize or attack an npc. And just cast speak with dead. Picking up and completing quests felt natural, I could choose to ignore that quest line or “fail” it. I don’t have to run errands for NPCs, and sometimes you get to choose who you want to side with in a quest. The journey doesn’t have an illusion or choice with the dialogue, as your choices actually matter

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

Oh look, another BG3 fan who has never played Baldur's Gate 1/2 or even played a CRPG before.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

Also BG3's predecessors ( Divinity OS1+OS2 ) were a cluttered mess. There were so many side quests on the tiny maps, that the questlog was an absolute clusterfuck. I gave up on even looking at it and decided to just go around killing everything instead because it was more fun. I kind of expect BG3 to end up the same way since BG3 is actually DOS3 in FR clothing.

[@benwilliams9016]

@@Molotov_Milkshake I mean I wouldn’t be too surprised a lot of people haven’t played 1 or 2, just like a lot of people haven’t played the original fallouts, doesn’t mean we have to gatekeep

[@jdksdj11]

@@benwilliams9016 Look at any random comment under this video praising BG3 and you will see his response. He is prime example of a gatekeeper telling people how their favourite new thing is worse in every way than his childhood memories.

[@cyruscrompton8221]

​@@Molotov_MilkshakeWhat? How is that even remotely relevant? If they praise bg3 why would you point out what bg1/2 does wrong? If you wanna shit on bg3 in the comments you should at least try shitting on bg3

[@TheSabataish]

One thing to add to the early bg3 shrine you were talking about. In a later run, i found a way into the deepest part first, worked my way through all of it, then came out where they are arguing. They noticed and i got the option to pretend to be a monster that they woke, and they took off terrified

[@syyneater]

That’s awesome! I love that there are still little details and tweaks that I haven’t discovered despite multiple play throughs.

[@TheSabataish]

@@syyneater honestly i was surprised they had that and loved it

[@Nikzzza]

I love it that I'm 800 hours into bg3 and haven't seen every interaction possible. Truly something else.

[@j0nnyism]

So cool

[@j0nnyism]

I was able to pretend I was one of them.

[@l7986]

The backlash against BG3 from other developers is because it reminds companies of how games used to be made and makes players question why its not done any more.

[@localhearthian2387]

It's more like the execs will have no idea how BG3 works and tell the devs to do really stupid things to try and replicate it. Mark my words, most triple AAA studios will bankrupt themselves chasing quantity over quality.

[@l7986]

@@localhearthian2387 That's the EA way. Buy a company, take all the credit for games that were already being made and coast on the unearned reputation for a few years, shit out a few reskins of an older game while swearing its a completely new game and eventually throw the shriveled up corpse of a once great company onto the pile of your previous victims.

[@Mikx100]

​@@localhearthian2387bg3 is not quantity of quality, it's just quality. Every other developer is copy pasting content to make world bigger

[@BelimaiSykes]

@@Mikx100 Here Here. It's the best video game ever made. I'm getting older, my game sessions are getting shorter just from anxiety and chest pains. Baldurs Gate 3 kept me up for 48 hours straight. Not even exaggerating. This is my favorite hobby and nothing has ever had this effect on me. It made me realize I've never really played an RPG because everything I did actually mattered. I never got the appeal of DND and table top RPGs despite being table top games being one of my hobbies as well until I played BG3. I'm still no fan of real people, my husband and cat are plenty for me so won't be seeking a D&D group but I get it now.

[@simonsalgueiro6217]

"Used to be made". In that you are not wrong, as Larian released DoS 1 and 2 unfinished too. STOP bootlicking companies boots just because it's trendy in the gaming community. The gaming community is one of the sheepiest communities you can find. Everything is group thinking cause half of the "gamers" have the personality of a brick. Larian released an unfinished game. Yea, Act 1 and 2 are 10/10. Awesome. BUT, Act 3 is a completely different story. Many stories were unfinished in act 3, promised parts never to be seen (like the high city, Karlach's story, Cazador's hold over the rich...). Data miners found all of this, btw, I'm not making things up, and all the big patches we are getting are there to try to hide this, as most people will take a while to reach Act 3. The ending is totally rushed, it felt dissapointing as hell. 2-3 lines per companion, your character looking like an NPC, and one last scene, MCU style, with Withers. That was it. It was LAME. Act 3 is filled with bugs, glitches and confusing moments. Quests go nuts, people were reporting loses of over 40 hours in saves. I had to revert 2 hours cause Act 3 suddenly decided Dame Aylin was dead in the quest log. Many dialogues make no sense, as they speak to you about things you never did. Exactly what they did with DoS 1 and 2: they release finished act 1 and 2, knowing players will make reveiws based on those, then leave the rest to patches. DoS2 was never completed untill the definitive edition. No, Larian is not a good exmaple of "old style companies". Stop simping. They released the game before it was ready to get more sales in case Starfield was as good as some people thought (it wasn't, although I don't think it's as bad as some put it)

[@dranek]

The voice acting done by a single Pigeon in BG3 is better than all of the voice acting in Starfield combined.

[@Aggrofool]

Starfield's VAs are mad talented. But the tepid writing and "my face is tired" blank stare faces just ruin everything.

[@UmVtCg]

Commander Lightfeather is one hell of a pigeon

[@Crazy_Diamond_75]

@@Aggrofool I think the VAs are good, but I don't like the way Bethesda directs their VAs and never have since Oblivion. Their pacing is always off and their delivery way too dramatic to what their engine has ever been able to deliver. There were moments in BG3, on the other hand, where I was genuinely taken aback by line delivery. Every line, and the animation along with it, feels so... intentional.

[@youngwolf024]

​@@Crazy_Diamond_75lae'zel legit almost made me cry when the queen betrayed her, they did that scene so well.

[@munchkingod6]

@@Aggrofool^that^ The problem isn’t the VA. If you took the BG3 cast and made them deliver BGS dialogue over the Bethesda faced stares they’d sound like shit too. This is all bad writing.

[@RafdyGonzalez]

My peak moment in bg3 was when I could not reach a goblin with a melee attack with karlack so I threw a rat that was next to her, RIP soldier, your sacrifice will be remembered forever 😢

[@Larathen]

The one thing in BG3 has made me repeatedly do was literally think the implications of any choice or dialogue that made me question if I was making the right choice. Cause real actual consequences can happen depending on choices. Starfield was just a tourism guide that was like "hey look at this thing that happened, move onto the next." with no coherence.

[@GamerRMT]

There was a core difference in design philosophy in BG3 compared to most other games, including Starfield. Where other games ask, "how can we funnel the player into the outcome we need for the story", BG3 asks "how can we make the narrative work no matter how the player decides to approach it?"

[@haihuynh8337]

All depends on the writer. It's like reading books. There are books that send the reader to the outcome that the author want. There are books that narrate the story and let the reader fantasize. To be honest, BG3 is nothing special. It's just one of its kind. Many people got hyped because they like BG3's kind. And to be honest, there haven't been many games of such kind recently. That's what makes BG3 seem special.

[@Mikeyboy779]

@@haihuynh8337if it’s one of its kind that means it’s special dude and if the story your trying to lead the reader to is shit then that invalidates the whole thing

[@haihuynh8337]

@@Mikeyboy779 Everything relies on the author/writer, not the game itself. A game is not special, the story and universe it attempts to depict is. In term of game mechanism, BG3 is not special nor new. The mechanism of Star Citizen is special and new, not BG3. Baldur's Gate has been my favorite because of its universe and story. And it dated since Baldur's Gate 1, 2, Icewind Dale, etc. So BG3 is just another one with a more traditional table top turn-based combat - which I don't like because it breaks the immersion too much for me. Starfield is different than BG3 because it's a mix of fast pace 1st/3rd person ground and space combat and the traditional storytelling RPG (which is not really good due to the writer). Instead of BG3 that only focuses on the story and the safe approach of table-top turn-based combat (which is used by so many games recently due to its easiness to implement compared to real time combat), Starfield spreads across many gameplay mechanisms and ends up not being the best of many of them. But at least in Starfield, if I can't enjoy the deep and logical story like in Baldur's Gate series, I can still enjoy the fast paced combats, collecting and customizing gears, designing spaceships and having fun with them, or simply building an outpost on a weird planet and enjoying the view. I doubt that BG3 would bring such mechanisms on the table. For me, BG3 might be interesting for a few times but once the story is through, I'll get bored, especially by the turn-based combat.

[@R3TR0J4N]

true, starting with the writing and environmental design, to notably its genre as its identity. heard BG3 as a crpg is even considered as an immersive sim.

[@suburbanindie]

The term you're looking for is "railroading"

[@innocentsmith6091]

They made planets barren wastelands but still put the undiscovered macguffins 20 feet from the human settlements. Todd is an absolute madman.

[@Alic4444]

muahaha

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

They had no design document or even a writer Let alone a team. This is actually shocking, and should really be a bigger deal. By one source the budget should be around 400 million before advertising. Thats nearly twice the cost of Star Citizen, an MMO that does all the same stuff but without the loading screens Just seems like a really cynical deception, especially when you look at the language todd used It really feels like he's doing the whole "well its your fault for believing me" Its incredibly dubious ethically speaking, when you shit out a copy paste of previous games with a reskin and minimal effort Where the fuck did all the money go?????

[@TessaTickle]

Todd is not a madman, he's a corporate drone milking the user base.

[@barahng]

@@Uncanny_Mountain To be fair, if you take Todd at face value at this point, when "sweet little lies" has been a meme for over a decade, it kind of is your fault. In the BEST case, he's an overpromising exaggerater, in the worst case he's cynically lying to market the game. Either way anything Todd touches should be a day 1 pirate and then MAYBE buy if the game is fixed with mods a year later.

[@Gnarfendorf]

​@@Uncanny_Mountain im not sure where you get your numbers from, but im pretty sure star citizen has eaten more than 200 mil at this point. Also, while i find sc far superior when it comes to gameplay, i wouldnt compare them at any level currently, with sc being at least 10 years away from beta stage and them being different genres outside of the space setting.

[@floppyj.burger5402]

Turning down wyll was so heart breaking that. Even tho I planned on playing the game again anyways. My biggest motivation was to play it again just so I can dance with wyll and romance him. I am a straight married man. Baddies gate 3 is really something else

[@angelicastern2385]

My MC danced with Wyll but turned away at the kiss suggestion afterward. The pain in his face and voice broke me up, ngl

[@Fenrirthewolfking66]

So my first play through of Baldur's Gate was composed of me wandering around for hours trying to figure out how to get to the Goblin Camp. I found myself in battles that I was totally under leveled for, missing various story beats, and just losing myself in the game. I has been years since I have had so much gun in a video game.

[@j0nnyism]

Yea that’s what I love. U don’t even have to complete mainline quests if u don’t want to. Just do what u like and u still have fun

[@misterghoul9457]

As much as missing a questline sucks, I love it more when the option exists. Its such a weird thing to like that you can miss a quest or scene because of your actions

[@DovahTheHero]

I still haven't gotten past the beginning of the game after u crash the game is confusing as hell and even on the normal difficulty I lose a fight in a well I jumped into :/

[@ZeallustImmortal]

In my first playthrough I couldnt find the road to the goblin camp, eventually found a cliff overlooking it and just jumped down the cliff rather than using the giant open main entrance.

[@vsr1994]

400 hours in CP77, 250 hours in BG3 and I still want to play. 56 hours in SF felt punishing.

[@akbblessed1415]

🧢

[@fluke7506]

@@akbblessed1415 Nah i played 2077 recently. blew me away. honestly its crazy. i love it. Cant wait for bg3 on xbox. starfield bores me

[@mugendono23]

It's almost like Bethesda put all their skill points into persuasion. 🤣

[@enlightendbel]

"But with mods it'll be great!"

[@Lyudo]

​@@mugendono23i wish i was able to persuade steam to refund my copy of the game :(((

[@qualifiedarmchaircritic]

I love how Larian exposed the lie so many game developers fall back on, being "sadly, that mechanic is impossible to implement 😢😢". It exposes that games being badly designed or shallow is not a technical limitation but a conscious decision by developers/shareholders for which consumers have a right to hold them accountable.

[@Windchanter420]

impossible to implement often means we dont want to throw time/money at it

[@Cyb3rHusky]

I'll be honest, I was doubting some features that would be difficult for Larian to implement due to how the engine worked, like reactions and flight. And fuck me, they did it anyway. Shows how conditioned I've been by mainstream game development.

[@irrellevents]

Impossible for US to implement. They're unskilled. Also, their engine sucks, and it would be exceedingly difficult to implement that feature in that engine. Larian put years into making this engine actually work for this game, instead of either using a bandaided 20 year old engine, or trying to shoehorn an FPS engine into their game

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

Ironic, considering that Larian refuse to implement simple mechanics like drag+drop character selection and instead choose to keep using retarded mechanics like 'character chaining' instead. They refuse to implement day/night cycles too. Pathetic. Let's not pretend Larian are great. They are fucking terrible.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

@@irrellevents Pure delusion. Larian are amateurs and can't even implement features that were present in BG1 and BG2 20+ years ago. They are comparatively more competent than Bethesda, but that doesn't take much. Larian's games are SHIT too. More fun than the cancer Bethesda produces, but still shit.

[@j0nnyism]

A lift is the perfect place to hide a loading screen but they couldn’t even be bothered to do that. Such laziness yet they expected to be game of the year. I’m pleased Todd was stuck to his seat during the game awards

[@steel8231]

It still gets me that BG3 managed to get optimized so well that one build used 30% less ram than the initial release, and AAA devs were pissed because they couldn't figure out how they did it.

[@threestars2164]

6+ years of development + being the top 15 most expensive game by development cost helps.

[@steel8231]

@@threestars2164 Starfield had double BG3's budget and about 1.4x more time in development. Want to try a more valid excuse?

[@Markus-8Muireg]

​@@threestars2164 Where did you get that top 15 most expensive game by development cost from? I couldn't find any list of most expensive games with baldurs gate 3 on it, and the numbers I found were ~100 million Dollars for Baldurs gate 3 and ~200 million Dollars for Starfield.

[@vikram5491]

People who rated Starfield 9 or 10 have totally disrespected games that legitimately deserved a 9.

[@fuzztsimmers3415]

Almost no games deserve even 7 out of 10. Most games at most are 4 or 5 out of 10.

[@ZaklnGritch]

Yeah anyone that rated it that high is really risking their legitimacy

[@Kura-Kekoa]

I feel it’s a solid 6.5, 7 tops. I enjoyed the game but it absolutely deserves every scrap of criticism it’s getting.

[@V2ULTRAKill]

Considering Starfield on par with Planescape Torment is actual sacrilege

[@codyvandal2860]

@@Kura-Kekoa My thoughts precisely.

[@Dreckmal01]

If you drop that rock on the halfling in BG3, you can follow the rock, into the dungeon. And the other half of the 'enemy' party will come into that room to check out what happened. Or you can pick the lock into the temple, and kill the other half of that party first. That's only two vastly different ways to get through that optional encounter

[@minyaksayur]

that was suprising to me as well, I wasn't expecting I could jump into the hole to the crypt. bg3 is very open ended when it's comes to decision.

[@ZeallustImmortal]

You can also send 1 or 2 people into the main door, and have them lure all the bandits to where the rock falls, then have a party member outside knock the rock down to crush them.

[@LinweAifhyl]

I haven't finished BG3 yet but what I love about it is that even when you warned us about spoilers, my first thought was "As long as it's not the main quest I don't really care" because the game is so rich I may never encounter the same NPC as you or I'll meet them in a totally different stage of the game and the interaction will be different ! Then I'm not really getting spoiled.

[@LSmallCatL]

I have to admit.. BG3 made me realize what a lazy/ stupid gamer I had become as 99% of games lead you by your nose to everywhere. I simply cannot remember the last time I’ve come across a game that rewards exploration/ curiosity the way BG3 does. BG3 would be the best current RPG with just a good/ bad ending but the fact that you can play a completely different game, time and time again is what makes this the very best game I’ve ever come across. It’s a part 3 in a series that is everything and much much more than its predecessors.

[@kaelinvoker8331]

play souls games

[@kaelinvoker8331]

play souls games

[@LSmallCatL]

@@kaelinvoker8331 it's better than most but not nearly up to that level

[@LarsaXL]

Oh hell yeah I agree. Was playing through Raft and got to the same conclusion. That game has a few easy puzzles that stumped me and made me consider looking up a walkthrough guide. Then I remembered that id exactly what I wanted out of a game and how they used to be. I had so much fun solving the puzzles after that, even brought out pen and paper for the Tangaroa one. The puzzles aren't even that hard, it's just that the game doesn't keep throwing additional clues at you or solve it for you. You either figure it out yourself or you're stuck. Don't think I've felt as smart or had as fun playing a game since Kerbal Space Program.

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

Try Divinity original sin 2, the game Larian made before BG3

[@joseffus5432]

"If starfield is an open world game, then so is super mario." Damn that one hit hard

[@Krocxigor]

Is it bad I completely agreed with him on that?

[@shinybearevidra]

Some super Mario games are even more open world than this.

[@Krocxigor]

@@shinybearevidra Some? I thought most were after the 64 came out.

[@ritzkola2302]

Difference between open world and sandbox is the thing.

[@Dead_Goat]

That argument makes no sense whatsoever. Even more so when in the same breath people claim BG3 is an open world when it is the most linear crpg on the planet.

[@cheungyan9987]

Imagine going to a restaurant and ordering a dish, a dish that critics say its quite good. When it arrives you see it looks like shit and is quite smelly While being suspicious, critics wouldnt enjoy eating shit plus some people you know enjoyed the dish So you take the first bite, it tastes like shit In disbelief you ask the waiter to call the chef You say to the chef "It looks like shit, smells like shit and tastes like shit. You served me shit" In defense of the chef, your friend on the other side of the table reprimends you "You cant be certain its shit, you havent even finished the dish"

[@vindicator879]

I'm curious what kind of dishes would be considered that bad 😂😂😂

[@dylhas1]

Killing the owl bear mom while speaking to animals is active was one of the saddest things I’ve witnessed in a game. I genuinely felt horrible and had to reload a save and walk away. The voice acting for the cub was so perfect and sad, along with the superb animation of the eyes to really add to the sadness and desperation of the cub. BG3 is one of my favorite games ever and I haven’t passed act 1 yet. It’s an incredibly dynamic game in terms of both combat and story telling. An incredible feat of gaming and hopefully it will influence more games to have immersive sim mechanics. That dynamic type of gameplay is what can make a game infinitely replayable and starfield has zero of that. Starfield was fun but doesn’t compare to Skyrim, nevermind Baldurs Gate 3

[@scullyy]

Maybe you reloaded your save before the owl cub started eating his mom!

[@3XZDgg]

​@@scullyythe mom also ate the cub's older bro. nature is metal af.

[@BleakNote]

Threw the Spectator that was in that jar into the Gith patrol where you can meet Laezel (if you turned her away initially). Not even kidding, they killed it in TWO TURNS. Luckily I rolled a few crits and managed to finish them off by pushing them off the bridge (a few times) but Laezel, Astarion and my character all died and needed to be revived for it to actually work. Gith patrol is cracked man, I didn't know what else to do to get through it 😅

[@Tazazak]

The mom ate her own son, and the cub ate it’s mom after it died, if that helps lol. I felt the same until it started eating her 😯😳

[@Svoorhout85]

​​@@3XZDggGotta recycle those nutrients. Thats also why stressed out animals eat their young. If a predator threatens to eat your babies, you're better off eating them yourself and denying them the meal so you stay strong and start a new nest. Its brutal but strangely pragmatic.

[@thekillingtomat]

what i find amazing about BG3 is that i have 350h in baldurs gate atm and almost every clip you've shown from the game you show me something that ive either entirely missed or did in a different way. its honestly insane how much depth this game has.

[@OrcBro]

919 hours. (granted 500 of them was in Early Access) but still... SAME lol

[@kelleren4840]

Agreed. 350 hours in between me and my wife and we just hit act 3. Neither of us feels like we're even past the "beginner" stage and we LOVE it. Game is an absolute masterpiece.

[@ChrisWebberN7]

200 hours over two playthroughs here and I STILL have at least 5 different playthroughs (minus origin playthroughs) before I've seen ALMOST everything. Not even different story decision combos, but I mean EVERYTHING. Durge playthroughs, race playthroughs, missed content, etc

[@blisterfingers8169]

That's not depth. It's breadth.

[@JohnDoe-ou7mq]

3 years of early access can do that it's quite surprising huh

[@the_effect_de]

Both games give you the urge to reload after dialogue to test the other options. The only minor difference is, that you'll only do that once or twice with Starfield because you'll learn that it's completely irrelevant.

[@LadyAstarionAncunin]

"Both games give you the urge to reload after dialogue to test the other options." That's how I've ended up with 80+ GB of recorded footage.

[@threestars2164]

Just another argument against bg3. The entire game is linear, just with heaps of worthless extra dialogue to make it seem like it isn't.

[@the_effect_de]

@@threestars2164 You are pretty much completely wrong but whatever

[@shrunkenderp]

Seeing “babies first stealth mission” made me so glad I never made it past the first city in this tragic release

[@sharlockshacolmes9381]

Starfield "No I'm not willing to kill someone over a business deal, it's not worth it, nothing is" BG3: "Yhea I know you're the one who gave me this super secret chest given to you by the fantasy mafia because I saved your life an threatened you afterward. But now I'm the one working for the fantasy mafia so no hard feeling over me killing you to prove they can trust me right?"

[@C.L.Stinnett]

My eye opener moment in BG3 was traveling through the UnderDark my friend and I came across a pile of skeletons and my character commented saying "looks like they fell" and we were both like huh thats interesting I wonder where from, fast forward 20 hours later and we backtracked to the Blighted Village to fight the spider mother for the necromancy book, when my character mentioned feeling a breeze, as my friend was attending to the book I misty stepped into the green glowing pit before going into a cutscene of her falling to her death and landing beside the skeletons 😅 suffice to say I was both impressed cause such a small detail became really important and upset cause she died thankfully my friend found me and resurrected my character. BG3 makes even small details stand out later on when you realize why they exist

[@kostiskarianakis5570]

Fun fact: if you use feather fall, you can use that pit to enter the underdark properly.

[@kittydaddy2023]

Fun fact: if you knock the spider queen down there you can use Glut to raise her as a spore zombie and fight for you.

[@cool2314]

@@kittydaddy2023 lol i did not know that, thanks for the tip

[@snwbrdr191]

Oh BG3 is polished AF! I hope it makes our gamer consumer bar so high that we expect that level of detail. Now we need Microsoft/Activision/Blizzard/ + Every one else! To jump on board....

[@R3TR0J4N]

​@@kostiskarianakis5570 @kittydaddy2023 holy how dynamic and reactive the world is, no wonder its considered as an immersive sim. wild they've manage to anticipate players next move based from the amount of things offered on screen and even based on players decisions

[@sioandel6248]

The story of Starfield feels like it just tell you "You should feel sad" "You should be impressed" while trying nothing to make you feel so.

[@Dead_Goat]

So literally the same as bg3.

[@gownerjones]

@@Dead_Goat How old are you, 12? I reckon you've never read a book in your life.

[@87axal]

​@@Dead_GoatCope

[@CreativeUsernameEh]

@@Dead_Goat you have got to be kidding me

[@maddasher8471]

@@Dead_Goat cry some more

[@bananaana1860]

This video gave me my first impression of Starfield. After 300 hours on BG3, the dialogue is soulless. It felt like it was written by an AI just to hit the over 200,000 dialogues. Quality over quantity! The banter between BG3 companions make them feel alive, and it changes depending where your party is and who is in the party with you. It actually feels like you’re in a group of adventurers

[@threestars2164]

Dragon age origins did it before, why is it praiseworthy?

[@XieronDraxin]

I know it was just a showcase of how much freedom the player is given in BG3, but seeing Astarion get staked genuinely hurt my heart T_T

[@Svoorhout85]

Gotta admit though, its a perfectly reasonable reaction to a vampire attempting to feed on you. But I keep my party members alive to see their stories unfold for the sake of more content.

[@WalkerRileyMC]

hurt his, too.

[@R3TR0J4N]

like OG rpg and crpg before, but reactivity and interactivity in this scale i havent seen before till BG3. also the voice work w/ the scale of dialogues of the game

[@vindicator879]

this... but for me it's that horrifying Gale/Dark urge interaction

[@thomashightower7881]

​@@Svoorhout85sick pfp.

[@desdenova1]

Starfield is impressive in the way that it somehow manages to be less than the sum of its parts.

[@macccu]

Yeah no. People like Starfield because it's a "Bethesda game" and they are riding on Skyrim nostalgia. Calling it impressive in a slap in face of people who made games like BG3 or even Cyberpunk. Fallout 4 came out same year as Witcher 3. Yet when you play Cyberpunk you don't feel like its reskinned Witcher with graphic tweaks. Cyberpunk is completely different new thing. Meanwhile Starfield feels like Fallout 3 (which felt just like Skyrim with guns) in space.

[@EmperorDude1990]

@@macccu I wish Starfield felt like Fallout 4 in space to me. I'd have enjoyed playing it then.

[@desdenova1]

@@macccu I wasn't using the word "impressive" in a positive sense...

[@KillahMate]

@@macccuDid you stop reading three words in?

[@LinksRoyal]

as Angry Joe once said " As wide as an ocean, but has the depth of a puddle "

[@Hugo74390]

In BG3 you come across Necromancers slavers in the Underdark, if you run up to them and refuse to help it triggers a fight, they have the high ground and raise a group of undead that surrounds you turn 1. I wiped three or four times in this fight, then decided to try a different approach. Climed the structure undetected, and when the dialogue triggered as I was coming in the back of the boss he was basically saying "WTF how did you get here ??", as the fight started I just pushed him off and he died from fall damage. That's when I truly realized this game was a real masterpiece.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

the combat is good. But the RP elements are trash and the story pacing and writing are pure cancer. If this was just a TB strategy game then maybe it would be a masterpiece, but as a CRPG it's a fuckin joke.

[@ivandankob7112]

It’s a true dilemma On one hand we love to see people into the chasm, but their loot flies with them :(

[@ProjectMalywix]

@@Molotov_Milkshake Kek, sure buddy.

[@cottoncandiez8872]

? What slavers in the understand? I've clearly missed them. The dark dwarves?

[@ProjectMalywix]

@@cottoncandiez8872 yep, the dark dwarves, or duergar, are a raiding and enslaving sort of kind

[@chavezchavo]

The thing with Baldur's Gate 3 is that the writers and devs have thought of as many possibilities as they could about what kind of actions the player could and would do. They wanted to cover as many possibilities as humanly possible. Starfield, (or most Bethesda games) basically only want the plot to end in a certain way the devs want it to end.

[@KtfoMustang]

The "you reject my blood so I will reclaim it" has the same energy as "I brought you into this world I'll take you back out" KEKW

[@Chumppi]

What's crazy is that I've played through BG3 twice and a lot of these scenes I haven't even seen yet I recognized every single one from Starfield!

[@kathrynck]

If you did bg3 in 80 hours, you missed half of it. And to be honest, even if you are meticulous about exploring every detail (down to and including reading all the books and notes) which would take at least 150 hours, you _cannot_ explore all of it in a single playthrough. Perhaps not even in two or three playthroughs. Because choices have consequences, and when you make one, hours of content disappears into the ether, so you can explore the content which does result from your choice. And some of the details are so subtle that it's possible to be the only non-dev to have figured some of the minor bits of storytelling out. There are expertly researched playthrough guides which missed details, story, dialogue options, possible solutions, surprising loot, etc.

[@holdeenyo8914]

there's like 17,000 endings for baldurs gate, its literally impossible to do everything in the game.@@kathrynck

[@fartloudYT]

I dread playing Starfield for 10 playthroughs as per devs intention. There isn't enough content and dynamic systems in it compared even to other bethesda games.

[@ikeduno7973]

I was waiting for somebody to show the starborn ships, landed and unscannable, even on the first play. I've seen five and I'm only lvl 37. Companions don't even react.

[@sethael1741]

yeah, and here is me. 200h into starfield and finding still something new.. and now?

[@Praenuntium]

People giving Starfield a 10 are completely insane. I can't even begin to comprehend that.

[@chrismichaelis7259]

I’ve talked to multiple who told me it was their favorite RPG, and even in their top 3 games. I’d put it in my top 5, below Elden Ring, but definitely better than fallout 3. I honestly have no clue what people are talking about. If you look for bugs, you find them, so stop trying to and actually play it normally

[@MrRizz1]

cool to know you missed the entire point of this and the other vids@@chrismichaelis7259

[@MrNoot39449]

​@@chrismichaelis7259 Pigs also think slop is good, does that mean that we should all eat slop instead of proper food? A boring uninspired game like this charging you 70$ has no business having a personal army of fanboys, but because it has the Bethesda name attached to it, this cash grab gets special treatment

[@ashamahee]

@@MrNoot39449 or perhaps entertain this crazy idea, I know its insane but perhaps there is a bunch of people who actually like it? I mean could it possibly be that Bethesda scratches an itch that others dont and a lot of people have?

[@robcampion9917]

I've been playing games for 30 plus years and I've never played a 10/10 game, I've played a few 8 or 9s, plenty of 7, but most fall in the 4-6 bracket, most games in my mind are just ok.

[@zk0rned]

You're partially right about the dialogue writers and quest designers, they don't know what each other are doing, but also nobody working on the game is ever up to date on what each other are doing due to Emil Pagliarulo the head writer not wanting to put in the work to keep design documents up to date and hasn't used them since he became head writer back when Fallout 3 was being worked on and it really shows

[@Aymungoos]

29:00 Another great thing about BG3 is that if you end an encounter peacefully you still get the same xp as if you killed them so you dont fall too far behind while being peaceful

[@Secretsofsociety]

If you want to railroad conversations to have less branches because branches aren't what your game is about, do it the way cyberpunk does it. Have an orange one that moves the conversation forward and white options for when you want to hear more of the lore. That way you are never wasting your time because if you want to hear the lore you hear the lore.

[@CheekiTiki]

Honestly we'd be here all day if we broke down everything CP does better than SF.

[@HappyLarry.]

Previous games have done that years ago

[@AEWLEE]

How about dialogue that actually changes the outcome of the quest? Its not like its 2023 or anything

[@HierophanticRose]

Yes, Cyberpunk 2077 tried to be a full life sim RPG, couldn't in the end, but at least it doesnt hide its depth behind illusory texts that have same replies.

[@CheekiTiki]

@@HierophanticRose tbh I feel like only the marketing department made CP2077 to be some sort of SIM. The core design of the game itself seems to have very little trace of this notion.

[@0ptimuscrime]

It took me 3 play throughs of BG3 to realise the extent to which other modern games had taught me to turn off my brain. I think back to Elden Ring and how, at the time, I regarded the lack of direct information as a misstep. "I understand that they're trying to make me pay attention, but in reality I just sit with the wiki open on my phone." No, I had just learned to turn my brain off.

[@WhaleDisease]

In saying, "No, I had just learned to turn my brain off," the person suggests a self-realization: they had become accustomed to not thinking critically or actively engaging while gaming, instead relying on external resources like game guides or wikis to provide straightforward answers. The person does not explicitly take a "side" in the gaming debate, but their reflection seems to critique the trend in some modern games that guide players too explicitly, preventing them from fully engaging with or appreciating the gaming experience. They seem to favor a gaming experience that encourages or requires more active thought and engagement, as with the design of "Elden Ring" and "BG3". The person seems to advocate for a gaming experience where players need to think and engage more actively, which they believe enhances the overall experience.

[@thedoomslayer5863]

Same with me. I even did the no brain thing with BG3 in the beginning until little details like the Astarion no reflection thing came up among others and I was like "wait, me checking things out and getting information to predict future events is rewarded? The game lets me do stuff on my own?" And I felt like the cogs long filled with cobwebs not turning finally began to be used. It was at first even slightly annoying to think so much on every quest but over time I realized "wait this is how I used to enjoy media or anything really" and never looked back. Now when I play a brain dead game like starfield I have to just make up stories in my head just to keep the ol brain engine warm since the game isn't gonna let me figure things out on my own.

[@hah-vj7hc]

Same here. And I still shut it off by accident lol

[@0ptimuscrime]

@@thedoomslayer5863 It was Raphael in bg3 that woke me up. I had to really think about whether or not to take his deal because it also implied that I could have taken a drastically different path with regard to the guardian character. I had to ask myself what he knew, why he was asking at this point in time, and what this meant for the motives of the guardian.

[@EverythingWasGreat]

Try playing Tunic.

[@cgkase6210]

I saw the Wyll dance scene and just I had to break his heart too and it devastated me I was already in a romance with Lae'zel, but it didnt make me feel any better to see how sad he looked.

[@themudpit621]

Right? HIs broken hearted face! Still haunts me!!! And bloody Asstarion dumped me anyway for being too much of a folk hero... what a fool I was to reject Wyll!

[@user-ym7ev3xc5y]

I didn’t really like Wyll until I encountered his dance scene. It was so on point. I danced for 15 years in folk group, it was my life for 2/3 of my years. The way he danced was so realistic and passionate. I was really sad that I had to broke his heart, because I already romanced Shadowheart

[@Tazazak]

I’ve been *hardcore* focused on romancing Gale since I got the game. I was so focused on it that I ended up getting Wyll in my party wayyyy later than I should have. Like way way later than I should have lol. (I did the entirety of Act 1 in painstaking detail, besides the creche, before I even went into the Druid area in the grove. So I recruited wyll after pretty much all of act one 😬) I had a total of 2 conversations with him, and knew absolutely nothing about him or his backstory. Somehow he still tried to jump my bones at the tiefling party, and he was so darn sweet and smooth I just about abandoned Gale right then and there! Which I never would have thought possible. Man’s got that gentleman rizz and his voice is like honey. 🫠

[@LadyAstarionAncunin]

His eyes when you turn him down are the saddest puppy dog eyes I've ever seen! 🥺

[@ambrosiogiovanni6952]

I didn't care... I mean the dude should have known better. My character was pretty much in the Shadowheart train from day one, so if he tried that thinking he had a shot, he already failed. I actually like Wyll as a character, but that just didn't move me.

[@utopianemblem5271]

I love how in Baldur's Gate, there are a ton of different choices that are given to you based on your races and classes. It feels so funny that if I play a Barbarian, there are a surprising amount of encounters you can avoid by screaming really loud. There's an encounter with an extremely powerful group of Gith somewhat early on that I got through because I happened to play a Berserker Barbarian and was allowed to just roar really loud to get through.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

wow lol, sounds like you've never played a CRPG before. Wait til you play a real one with some depth (unlike Larian's trash).

[@kelvinrichardson5324]

@@Molotov_Milkshakebro. I get you’re keen to improve engagement on this video, but you’re literally talking rubbish to do so.

[@Sketchblopp]

You can scream that group of Gith away?! Woah. I have to remember this for later... So far I talked my way out or had to fight with tooth and nail and the help of three helpful ogres. xD

[@utopianemblem5271]

@@Sketchblopp Yeah! With Barbarian, you can just pull your best Eustace Bags impression out and go "Ooga booga booga!!!" and they leave you alone.

[@ratticustheemperor]

@@Molotov_Milkshakey’know most people just leave a bad review and go, don’t have to go mocking other people for their opinions

[@sniperwolfe0361]

I’m perplexed by the amount of times I’ve just stumbled across something in BG3 that I’ve found or unlocked by sheer accident or general curiosity that could have just as easily been missed without technically missing anything really important. Really Makes you wonder how many other things you just simply passed by without knowing your actually missing out on content. It’s astounding how much atmosphere and immersion that Larian created, fully knowing that most players actually won’t experience everything they made

[@bjorn-falkoandreas9472]

I was like, why should I bow to this godlike being? Or be polite? Let's be a bit snotty. What is the worst that could happen. The game did not elaborate on why pissing off a god is a bad idea. Everything else is always played out in great detail. In this case the game was really, really blunt and simply told you that you are dead. Didn't elaborate. Pissed off a god? You are dead. No tentacles. No generic messy explosion in gore and viscera. Just a pissed-off DM who tells you that insulting a god to their face can only go one way and if you want to reload.

[@SaveMeXenu]

@@bjorn-falkoandreas9472 Little bit of a correction, Vlaakith is not a god. She WANTS to be a god, but so far no luck. The way she kills you is by utilizing the Wish spell, which calls to an ACTUAL god to do the work.

[@kathrynck]

@@SaveMeXenu Yeah, she's technically a Demilich. Kinda like a lich which is nudging into demi-god territory.

[@V2ULTRAKill]

​@@bjorn-falkoandreas9472to be fair She isnt a god, and all she did was cast wish Not like the lady of pain

[@ewjiml]

Hahah I did the same thing and wasn’t shocked she turned me into a ton of giblets.

[@BrokenMessiah1]

People only want you to compare it to older Bethesda games but like that's not a conversation I think they really want to have lol

[@Mirthful_Midori]

The fact it's still worse than Bethesda's own previous titles does not bode well for TE6. Although I haven't expected much from Bethesda in a very long time.

[@BrokenMessiah1]

@@Mirthful_Midori they should just not even bother trying to get es6 out this gen and just use that time to switch to a completely different engine and make it a next gen title for like 2030

[@bigboyfinesse8310]

@@BrokenMessiah1i said this back when they announced they‘re working on starfield. It would have been way better from the beginning. But it’s all a money move, otherwise they would have started the work on an actual new engine back when people said that fallout 4 felt dated already.

[@SkintSNIPER262]

it's not@@Mirthful_Midori

[@Shosty]

​@@SkintSNIPER262it is.

[@--ginebra3589]

The thing about people coping and saying Starfield is good, to me feels like. If you like to eat shit, that's your freedom. But don't try to convince others it's chocolate.

[@rileyh5537]

My favorite part about this video containing legitimate criticism between the brilliance of Baldurs's Gate 3 and the sheer mediocrity of Starfield is the subliminal hints towards the absolute perfection that is Outer Wilds. Almost everyone that has played Outer Wilds, fully will agree that it is one of the best gaming experiences available to date and tries to spread it in a cult like fashion, much like I am doing now. Seriously, if you haven't yet play Outer Wilds, buy it and play through it blind, you will not regret it.

[@SahasaV]

I refunded that game like 10 mins in. It wouldn’t let me bind space to jump and that soured my whole experience.

[@ozziethedivine]

I LOVED the Rapheal fight in bg3. Not only cause of the cool music, but cause he seems exactly like the kinda person to sing his own boss music, it was epic!

[@TheDimir]

Also if you silence Raphael in the fight, song would change, cause there wouldn't be Raphael's voice

[@autoingrement]

I love BG3 that all the companions also grow up as people along the story. Once you find out why they behave the way they do you can change them by your choices. You can also just kill them or never even meet them. They all have interesting back stories and feel like actual people with emotions and they can leave your camp if you mistreat them. No other game has made me truly care about the other characters as much as BG3.

[@brichess8227]

For me gale grew from horny and happy wizard to horny for power and not so happy wizard … wait am I a bad influence

[@bl8388]

@@brichess8227 Maybe you need to wear more makeup next time. 😉

[@_laryssa]

You can completely miss them, for example I have no idea who the fuck Gale is lmao

[@Hollowtriangles]

I never met gale because the narrator said it was dangerous to reach into a weird void so I didn’t lol. Didn’t realise until after I beat the game that I missed a major companion

[@gownerjones]

On my first playthrough, I never even found Astarion. On my second playthrough, I cut Gale's hand off when he needed help out of that portal and never saw him again. This type of freedom doesn't exist in any other game.

[@Raienkotetsu]

Point of note to the not being able to go full evil in BG3: If I'm not mistaken (I haven't finished the game myself), you should be able to, especially if you choose the origin character "The Dark Urge." You can choose all the options to just flat out kill whatever NPC, questgiver, .etc that you come across all the way up to just joining the evil faction of the game.

[@anabenskywalker122]

Thank you for mentioning Outer Wilds. That game literally shows an indie studio put more thought and care into a project than a big budget AAA. Everything promised in Starfield that it never delivered on is all things you can do in Outer Wilds. And yes it is fully fair to compare BG3 and Starfield. One is an actual RPG that has real consequences (both positive and negative) based on your choices, and one just creates the illusion of choice

[@Reece_Hart]

I was watching someone play some Cyberpunk recently and he pointed something out that's so little but once noticed stands out like a sore thumb and that's how the NPC's react to the character. In Cyberpunk a lot of the NPC's will be having conversations between each other or doing normal mundane stuff and for the most part will ignore the player unless directly interacted with, as you would expect people to do in reality. In Starfield you can't go any where without some NPC following your every move by staring at you the entire time. Or they outright stop you to lore dump some stupid exposition and it just causes your brain to go "No one talks or acts like this" which instantly breaks all immersion.

[@orbit1894]

I agree. Never played a more gamey game than SF lately. Does BGS even know what immersion is.

[@trogdor8764]

Different tastes, I guess. I get that it's not realistic, but as a player, I want to be able to hear everything, especially any unique conversations that are going on. It drives me nuts when npcs talk over each other. Mars was particularly 'bad' in this way, because you have npcs doing 1-off conversations, plus the constant announcements over the PA, plus screen-shaking explosions, plus chatter from npcs who wander into 'greeting range', plus your companion randomly commenting...

[@Synthia17]

I love how Cyberpunk had that same negotiation for a thing scene and the difference in execution is staggering.

[@ladykryo4592]

I mean, aint this just how bethesda games be?? Like, fallout 4, 3, skyrim?

[@Pomlithe]

@@ladykryo4592On the one hand, yes, absolutely, this is the same problem as it's always been. On the other hand, since Starfield presents us with futuristic, densely-populated settings, we would expect the people there to behave like anyone else in a busy city, right? If Nazeem stops us in the street square, or the people in Freeside stare at the new person in town, we know that's fine enough, because they're medieval or post-apocalyptic fantasies and someone new coming into town is likely a bit deal for some of those locales (maybe some Starfield locations count too). But despite acting in largely the same way they always have, because the context of Starfield is different, cities can feel _especially_ fake and hollow, because in real life, not everyone is watching and following you.

[@Sister_of_Indigo_Fontaineaux]

when i found the boar in BG3, i also noticed the bite marks on astarion's neck and started looking at his teeth every time i saw him in dialogue until he finally tried to bite me. let him feed and trusted him and he actually fucking killed me 😂

[@emackenzie]

Honestly I can't be _too_ mad when I fail my check like that, seeing how that was the first time he'd ever drank from a human (and therefore the first time he ever needed to stop before he killed whatever he's feeding on)

[@Bokmoh]

Wait he kills you if you let him just continue?!? I let him have a taste but pushed him off, didn't know he went full haam 😂

[@emackenzie]

@@Bokmoh He gets absolutely lost in the sauce

[@Sketchblopp]

@@Bokmoh Extra funny: Once you have someone else raise you, he is surprised but happy it didn't went as bad as he expected. And then he tries to be like "let's not make a big thing out of that, you are fine now" or something along these lines. Bro, you killed me, how is this not a big deal! xD

[@LadyAstarionAncunin]

It's obvious he's a vampire from the very first conversation (in which you can see his teeth), but I suspected as much from the marketing art. White hair, pale skin, and red eyes? Maybe it's anime that's prepared me, but 1+1+1=3. Plus, the bite marks were obvious. It didn't even occur to me that vampires in the game wouldn't be able to daywalk.

[@ravenmasters2467]

You could literally replace 90% of your response dialoge options in Starfield with this: Continue (1) Continue (2) Continue (3)

[@Hstudios117]

You probably won’t see this but I think if a game takes more than 5 hours to get fun it’s not fun.

[@dsglogs]

I love how they've written what would be considered an evil character in BG3 (Shadowheart, Astarion, and Lae'zel). Shadowheart is particularly interesting, she is strategically evil (follows evil god, originally wants to kill a planar etc), but she does not know that she is evil, so on tactical level, she is approving of small good acts. Astarion on the other hand, had layers of PTSD over the years of being subjugated by Casador, he feels like doing evil acts, to avoid attention of his master, even when he is away.

[@BigSeth1090]

Also: depending on your choices, they can all change a lot. The one that got me was in Act 3, when Astarion approved when I fed a hungry orphan, and then approved when I let her stay at my camp. “Oh, huh, he’s changed.”

[@josenob1]

Nobody thinks they're evil, no matter how evil they are.

[@BigSeth1090]

@@josenob1 I think Orin might be the one big exception to the rule

[@westenev]

@@josenob1 people fall into malice and depravity, or just hate themselves. I'd say those people would consider themselves "evil".

[@Mayhzon]

"strategically evil" is utilitarian / machiavellian thinking. Unless it is done out of pure joy, rather than tactical advantage.

[@panzer00]

This is the game that Bethesda has wanted to make for like 20 years and the industry FINALLY had the technology to make it... riiiight Todd.

[@Silentpoppy]

im pretty sure todd is a pathological liar at this point man spews so much BS you would think he ran a farm not a game studio.

[@colinmullally5747]

@@Silentpoppymakes you wonder why Todd is given free passes to this type of promotional deceit; any other figurehead known for consistent overpromising would be treated like Molyneux

[@panzer00]

@colinmullally5747 this is why I no longer buy games at launch. People do themselves a disservice to blindly buy a game based on deceptive, proven time and time again, marketing. No Mans Sky was gamers waking up - it actually red pilled me to the state of modern games development and marketing. Cyberpunk 2077 was gamers fighting back - having played RED, I refunded 2077 after trying to love it. (Which is funny because No Mans Sky is absurdly good now and 2077's 2.0 is how I imagined it could be) but those instances of developers making a come back can not become the trend that developers cling to; their end product must be what developers strive to launch. Bethesda's design philosophy is outdated. They refuse to innovate on their own unique systems that are falling a part - the quirky, janky AI isn't charming anymore. Starfield would've been acceptable 12 years ago, not today. People refuse to accept objective reality when their subjective opinions are affirmed by the developers, the "reviewers," and the echo chambers they call "communities." Subjective fun does not equal objective good.

[@trxsh_oc]

play Icewind Dale 2, Avernum 3, Arcanum and Planescape. they fought so baldurs 3 could jog safe at night.

[@panzer00]

@@Silentpoppy listening to the words he says and his opinion of his own games makes me wonder if he has some inflated understanding of what his games are even capable of achieving because half the shit he says his games can do, they can't. It's quite bizarre.

[@paragonca9736]

J.K. Simmons is SO FUCKING GOOD as Ketheric Thorm. The sheer fucking gravitas of every single word he says... Oh my god.

[@Erlaxis]

The comparisons with Skyrim are interesting, I think. They reveal thay it's not only a case where Bethesda has been surpassed by other studios, but that actually that Bethesda has regressed in some aspects of their game design.

[@sigmanation6957]

If you think Starfield is a regression from Skyrim, look at how much got gutted between Skyrim and Morrowind.

[@Travolta12e]

Not sure if this is mentioned in the video, but one of the coolest moments in BG3 was in Act 3, when I killed the serial killer and then tried to speak with him using the Speak with the Dead spell. That triggered a special dialogue where the dead serial killer declines to speak with his murderers (in this case, my party). So I decided to try again, this time using the Disguise spell first and lol and behold, it worked! I could interrogate the dead serial killer and get some information out of him, that helped progress his quest. BG3 is the closest we ever got to a genuine tabletop experience, and makes games like Starfield feel archaic and outdated.

[@oachkatzlschwoaph]

Learned something new!

[@MegaVirus700]

It's a great interaction, but not unique to that NPC. For anyone who doesn't know, this works for anyone you've killed.

[@Em022]

It really does. It makes you realize that a lot of adventure games are more like amusement park rail rides than actual open world experiences.

[@davidpeterson3147]

Have you ever stopped to think that it’s the closest we have got to a TTRPG because it IS a TTRPG? It’s even got the turn based combat and dice roll probably mechanics. It’s literally just a digital TTRPG in a setting that has existed for almost 40 years.

[@prettieboiswag6659]

@@davidpeterson3147you say that like there's an abundance of games that gives that much freedom in modern games

[@FargosGames]

Side note on the raphael boss music: Raphael actually sings it, if you make him loose control of his body he stops singing

[@Bokmoh]

No fucking way, I need to try this!!!

[@ivandankob7112]

@@Bokmohthere is a spell that can force people into an irresistible dance, so you can make him groove with his own song

[@Thyrfingrulez]

You can silence him to. same effect@@Bokmoh

[@chefren77]

@@Bokmoh He is a bard, so it makes perfect sense. He is also a Disney villain so it makes double sense :)

[@BoleDaPole]

Wow you guys are easily empressed.. baldurs gate doesn't even have 1/1000th of planets to visit. It also doesn't let you create custom space ship. Also no space piretes

[@sachi8483]

1:41:50 I have been debating on Outer Wilds for a while, you have, with this small clip, convinced me about buying it. My god that was beautiful.

[@madjik1979]

I love how this video basically explains how and why BG3 earned game of the year over all other contenders.

[@Evanz111]

What’s infuriating to me about the Entangled quest is that it’s one of the longest in the game, with the most loot you’ll pick up throughout - and yet they stick you in an area without any vendor, ship storage access, and take away your companion from you. I get people will say “just don’t pick up loot then” but there is no indication of just how ridiculously long the quest is. I must have thought “this must be the last room” about five times, so I kept trucking on expecting any moment I’d be able to go back and sell my loot.

[@fnnsjsnnejejdndnxhxjna]

It's also ripped in it's entirety from the Titanfall 2 campaign, but done more poorly. I'm so glad I played Starfield first

[@llehsaderob]

Bethesda games are lootwhore addictive, but lootwhore punishing... I'm gonna use the unencumbered cheat just to finish it...

[@Dassick89]

Right click send to camp... Unless that's also unavailable at the time.

[@XH13]

Speaking of the crypt at the start of BG3's act 1. Last night, I tried to do that sequence backwards : entering the crypt by lock-picking one of the exits, killing the adventurers inside then getting out by the normal "entrance". The dialogue with the NPC outside is completely different, as they acknowledge you came from the crypt.

[@rasidualimage]

Okay, I was listening to this entire show and then you mentioned the damn Barn door, that visualization will never get out of my head. Great video!

[@JudgeNicodemus]

Karlach making fun of them was godly. What a way to dodge a fight.

[@High_Rate136]

I come back to this review at least once or twice a week because it’s well made, and the audio is incredibly clear. Also KZbin recommends it to me every 5 seconds, but I still listen while I’m going about my day either way.

[@wladib8770]

Seeing Cyberpunk after watching parts of Starfield for an entire hour, my mind was absolutely blown away. The difference in quality is astronomical.

[@UmbraWeiss]

People compare Cyberpunk to Starfield in the wrong ways you need to compare the release version to it... not the full paid Update after 3years that makes people pay 2x for the same game or the game they said it will be, and it's still only 50%there so you can expect the rest in another full paid Dlc and you can get the full game for 3x the price.

[@RazzocFTW]

@@UmbraWeiss I don't think you are being fair to the game. I played it at launch on PC and did not experience all the issues people mostly complain about. The story, voice acting, graphics, amazing world - they were there from the start. The broken cop system and glitches were there too, 100%, no argument there. But now the 2.0 release is FREE to owners of the game. Even if you do not buy the DLC and pick up the original game on sale you still get the full original story + revamped leveling and improved vehicle, cop, etc systems. You don't pay twice for it, you can literally have the vastly improved original for 50% or less. Whether you want to buy the DLC afterward is completely separate.

[@munchkingod6]

@@UmbraWeissI call BS. Played it on launch on PC. Certainly had problems but the day it released Cyberpunk was a better game than SF. No contest. Better looking, better written, better designed.

[@SolarisKane]

@@munchkingod6 Exactly. Even Cyberpunk at its worst is better than Starfield at its best.

[@jarosawdylewski9507]

@@UmbraWeiss Sure, starfield has fewer technical difficulties. But Cyberpunk, even on release, had still better: music, side content, exploration, story, dialogues, characters, ambiance and combat. With all the technical buggy jank, Cyberpunk was still superior in almost every single aspect to this turd. Also, the fact that Cyberpunk 2077 became good after almost 3 years still says something. Bethesda never fixes their games, modders do. The only game Bethesda tried to fix was Fallout 76 because it is an online game with no mod support. Starfield in three years will be the same Starfield that we have now. Besides I doubt Bethesda can fix: terrible writing, terrible story, shitty characters, boring as fuck meaningless exploration, bland music and janky combat. Maybe somewhere in 2024 we'll get a DLC with exploration vehicles and 5-hour long side story and that's it. Core game will remain what it is - the midest of mid games 2023.

[@StopItRyan]

The thing with BG3 is that I have played this every day since launch and logged 500 hours in Early Access during the pandemic. I still nightly say "wow I can't believe how great of an experience that was."

[@ReepsWasteOfTime]

BG3 also apparently has 190k lines of dialogue meaning they managed to make 190k GOOD lines of dialogue with a way smaller budget

[@infernoeagles5812]

Enter the trashfield and become the trashborn Unity is just a recycling bin 😂😂😂

[@threestars2164]

Sounds like a waste of time. A few lines from Torquato Tasso outweigh those 19k lines bruh.

[@RomualdFlibustier]

What's funny about negative reviews is you'll never be able to find the sweet spot regarding your playtime to be "legitimate" about giving your opinion. Played 5 hours -> You didn't play enough, invalid Played 100 hours -> You played too much, you cannot say it's bad

[@bdbgh]

My BG3 moment was when I cheesed the fight against the people looking for Karlach, my party was pretty under levelled, but I figured out that I could block all the doors but 1 and bait the enemy to come over to the precarious cliff next to the building, giving me a chance to push them down, over and over again.

[@garyburke6156]

pushing enemies off cliffs is the single best way to win battles in BG3, its hilarious every time

[@Spectral-Spiff]

my BG3 moment was when i killed the drow goblin leader by bitch slapping her with a salami

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

Like Odysseus slaughtering the suitors.

[@OneSpikeyGuy]

I did the EXACT same thing lol

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

Sounds like a really deep, challenging tactical experience.

[@chasesmay7237]

BG3 is so good, and I will compare every rpg to it (as a customer) BG3 simply IS the bar, now (to me) I don’t mean that as a sleight, I mean that companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars on games I am not willing to sink my time into. I am Always happy to sit down and play BG3. BG3 is so special

[@zelestial1681]

Agreed. *Astarion approves* lol 🎉🎉🎉

[@tylerslittlecafe1288]

Watching this video made me realize how much I *rush* through games, even good games with lots of depth, because I've been conditioned that the details don't matter. Hopefully I can learn from that in the future and take it slow next time I get to play something like BG3.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

You should learn it by playing a proper CRPG like Baldur's Gate 1+2 and Pillars of Eternity, Tyranny and others. BG3 is dumbed down and not even a real sequel, nor a real CRPG honestly.

[@lgbreeze]

@Molotov_Milkshake I'm gonna be honest I found more entertainment reading your comments of hatred for anyone enjoying BG3 than the video. It might be simpler and more dumbed down compared to the original BG's or Pillars of Eternity but it's brought alot of attention to CRPG's as whole. You need to chill mate.

[@frankjohnson3987]

This is a very in depth breakdown between the 2 games. Great video.

[@Motyogo]

BG3 is mind blowing, game of the year 100% imo.

[@gownerjones]

I'm almost 30 years old and have been a gamer since I was 3. For me, BG3 is the game of my lifetime, not just this year.

[@Dead_Goat]

BG3 is the most overrated garbage game of 2020 to release in 2023 propped up by youtubers and reddit morons.

[@digheanurag]

BG3 changed my definition of a full featured game. It’s crazy well done.

[@alexwtf80]

BG3 feels like it was playtested as a pen and paper campaign by multiple groups. If you want to give people freedom, you will never be able to do so by solving your own puzzle. You have to present the situation, the conflict, the problem to different people and see how they are going to tackle it in their own way.

[@TheKillaShow]

3 years worth of open playtesting by the audience will do that to a game. The open beta and Larians earnest effort to adapt the game to that feedback is how BG3 happened. Why more studios dont do this is beyond me. They form an echo chamber in the studio and just hope the audience will enjoy it. That is Starfield.

[@westenev]

It's funny how you can go into bg3 trying to break the game, only to find the dev's accounted for your mischief (like throwing away a plot mcguffin for a game over, or transmog the group into githyanki in the creche while turning lae'zel into a human). Starfield is very linear and frustrating if you don't play the way the dev's intend (the morally good paragon who has the opportunity to sometimes do evil things for the lols).

[@nickv1212]

@@TheKillaShow There was an interview with an ex-Bethesda dev who said what made Todd special is that he could put himself in the shoes of the average player while the rest of them can't. Is that why every other game on the market it is trouncing it in terms of quality and QOL features? He knows what the player wants but even he admits his favorite mods are the UI mods. Starfield requires completely different buttons to do the same thing in different parts of the many menus you'll shuffle through, is that what players want Todd? If you're unsure of what players want, how can you even be sure Todd knows?

[@nonyabisness6306]

They tested the first chapter. It quickly deteriorates after that.

[@alexwtf80]

@@nonyabisness6306not true

[@ambds1975]

'Do not hide behind your hamster, ranger!' I love that you can take Jaheira totally seriously when she says this.

[@remipennel121]

46:06 I haven't played the game yet but wow, that's awesome they gave Matthew Mercer a character in the game, I think any semi-long term DnD fan can appreciate this, the man has really helped shine a light on DnD.

[@AshAsmodeus]

It happens more often than you think BaerTaffy (look him up on YT) Streams a lot of darkest dungeons.... The Madman you can encounter in that game are voiced by him AmaLee (Monarch) Streams a lot of games too, amongst those is Honkai Starrail for which she voiced a couple of characters same with a close collaborator of hers like CyYu (Disgaea, Persona, Streetfighter 6 Male protag) Gotta say though... I shouldn't have been surprised about Matthew but I was and now it finally clicks where I heard his voice before (the character's I meant; not Matthew's as I watch a lot of his campaign streams)

[@SolarisKane]

28:00 Did you know you can go through the crypt backwards by picklocking the door on the beach? If you do and come out through the front before ever meeting these guys you get a unique encounter. You even have a dialogue option to pretend you're an undead spirit risen from the grave and scare them away! Not only that but if you approach them from the top left where the ranger guy is then still another unique dialogue situation occurs, and if you want to fight them that's a much more favorable position. I haven't yet tried to start the encounter from the right where the mage is to see if there's still another unique conversation starter. This game is so amazing!

[@SudoYETI]

Thats just one encounter in a game full of unique encounters. I understand TBS isn't for everyone or even RP heavy story but man if you are then BG3 is amazing.

[@TheLuftpolsterfolie]

I came from the left and when the fight started I pushed him from the barrel 😂

[@HappyLarry.]

Pretty sure you need a critical success to open the door near the beach.

[@SolarisKane]

@@HappyLarry. Nah. Just get Astarian, get the smuggler's ring, and go back to the door when you're level 3 and preferably with a full party. Remember you can avoid that whole section for as long as you want.

[@Dead_Goat]

Except there is no difference between going that way and any other. Everything is literal the same.

[@KiazaKadaj]

i do love the voice acting so much in BG3. The companions and other characters are also so well written. Ketheric will be a villain i think about for the rest of my life.

[@carlosvalentin7485]

Kethereic was good, but in my opinion he was the worst antagonist in bg3

[@TheCentralScrutinizerAgain]

just wait until you get to a certain * evil * fight later on, now that one i will truly remember for years.

[@drigzmo9419]

I feel like I've seen Ketheric in any fantasy story ever. Good guy loves his daughter, because corrupted and evil, but still good guy kind of.

[@KiazaKadaj]

@@TheCentralScrutinizerAgain yeah i liked the other bosses but something about the events of act 2 and reading the journals, exploring the mausoleum and the tower and going into the oubliette was just so cool to me. I loved that section of the game.

[@trxsh_oc]

play Icewind Dale 2, Avernum 3, Arcanum and Planescape. they fought so baldurs 3 could jog safe at night.

[@Mustang-wt1se]

Another thing about that BG3 crypt is the object you drop opens another way to enter it, or you can knock on the door and talk your way in or lockpick, or you can threaten them and go through the entrance by the beach to find them all waiting by the door, or just sneak past them. And in the crypt there’s undead you fight but you can loot the weapons off their bodies beforehand to make it easier. There’s also an entrance you can lockpick that leads straight into the last room so you can avoid those people entirely and go straight to the undead. This and more in just one location

[@lebrewski3103]

You can totally compare them, but anyone saying otherwise is too deep in the rabbit hole to understand simple logic.

[@thecheck968]

I couldn't tell you the last time I made an evil, even morally dubious, choice in a video game before Baldur's Gate. But Baldur's Gate makes it so easy. You have no idea how the characters around you will react, how even the character you're being awful to will react. Like you said, so many games just scold you for being mean. But in bg3, you can literally blow up a building full of people who potentially had a life saving cure to offer you. Then the only companions who approve are the ones who got crushed under the rubble and one whose people who you buried alive.

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

Sounds like you've never played a fucking CRPG. Typical BG3 fan.

[@PicesQ]

Remember that there are at least 40 ways to escape from prison in BG3, and it all depends on which race, spell, or weapon you are playing. There is a video on KZbin that demonstrates all these different ways.

[@catbert7]

So much time wasted by Larian when they could have just learned from Bethesda that all you need is to have one conversation and the guards let you out to recruit you 🤡

[@PicesQ]

@@catbert7 i don't even know if this is sarcasm or not lol 🤣

[@Vekcrazah]

​@@PicesQlikely sarcasm. Considering that we all are in agreement Bethesda cut some corners a whole damn lot

[@justohird5685]

​@@VekcrazahBethesda cut so many corners they made a circle

[@MrMastrmonstr]

and that circle is very bad@@justohird5685

[@pipmeyer3889]

Boom, and just like that, I'm subscribed. Fantastic breakdown, Veritas!

[@TheDimir]

Cyberpunk had a mission similar to the one with "meaningful options" in Starfielfd. Not only said quest with Maelstrom was directed MUCH better and you could've feel the tension, but you also quite a few outcomes.

[@threestars2164]

scampunk shouldn't even be talked about without being condemned..

[@Demortra]

@@threestars2164 Released buggy got fixed, but you probably accept that No Man's Sky, FO 76, Witcher 3 and such have been "fixed."

[@Kaylakaze]

That's interesting about Astarion. For me, I just talked to him at the camp one day and he was like "Look, I need to tell you something. I'm a vampire." and I responded with something along the lines of "Well, no shit. We all already knew that." (since I could tell from the moment we met) and he was like "Oh, okay then. As long as we're all on the same page."

[@pacattack2586]

So the thing is if you get your companions to approve of you enough times they will willingly tell you their woes before shit hits the fan - get shadowheart to like you? She'll open up, same with Lazeal, same with gale, same with asterion, same with will... the characters in BG3 ct like real people they aren't going to go "Hey player! I have this problem I need you to solve!" they make sure that they can trust you with their problem first (when at all possible)

[@nonyabisness6306]

@@pacattack2586 Well, that's mostly after they fixed the bug where all companions just wanted to hump you after a single positive interaction.

[@joshuakim5240]

What's hilarious is that if you play as Astarion for your Origin character, you have the option to continuously deny everyone's suspicions that you're a vampire. However, everyone knows it because Astarion does a comically bad job at hiding it, so upon reaching act 2 your companions sit you down to have an intervention to stop badly pretending not to be a vampire due how cringe the attempt is. And you can still deny it to mess with them.

[@nullpo2478]

If you barely long rest Astarion do that. I experience the same thing as the video, but after my first run where I don't need to long rest that often, I do get that event instead because astarion never really get to drain the pig since my first long rest is in the underdark.

[@brownranger1797]

I love the aesthetic of CP2077 so much that i opt to not use the fast travel and just drive instead.

[@tmg7866]

forgot you could fast travel till i saw this comment tbh

[@whitebear2]

Great job. Love the long form vids

[@marsh3133]

Really enjoyed the whole video, it's very through and thought out. It seems more than justifying one's impression with logic, but more like genuine and thorough analysis. The way the video incorporatesthe footage from your streams makes you seem effortlessly entertaining! Although I was a bit disappointed when I didn't see more content like this on the channel. Maybe you should consider doing a soft pivot into 'video game essay' side of things. If this video is any indication, you could do well with that type of content!