You Can Never Cast a Spell or Attack Again | Much Abrew

The combo of Orim's Chant and Isochron Scepter was a real thing in Extended 20 years ago thanks to its ability to lock opponents out of playing Magic forever by casting Chant every turn, but can it work in Modern? Let's find out!
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0:00 Start
5:50 Match 1
22:00 Match 2
31:19 Match 3
39:17 Match 4
50:38 Match 5

[@Canuyerdome]

Did Seths story about his friend just low key reveal his villain origin story :P hahaha

[@AlienValkyrie]

Yeah honestly; learning that Seth learned magic from a prison deck explains so much xD

[@MTGGoldfish]

Lol, probably :)

[@DylanRibb]

“I suffered through this deck when I first started” also explains so much about the later comments about how Seth likes to play control.

[@number4497]

@@DylanRibbit’s the cycle of abuse continuing :P

[@DonovanJones-eh5rh]

Combo fully shut down by one leyline of sanctity

[@fiercedeitylink2019]

Seth forgetting about birds of paradise, ledger shredder, slickshot, yorion, glint hawk, gilded goose, mindcensor, and, most importantly, storm crow

[@michaelburt9888]

Baleful Strix too

[@BraydenCobb-lg3nc]

Im sure aarakocra sneak deserves a mention from pauper

[@zackestin1368]

If yorion is so good why doesn’t it see play in modern anymore smh my head

[@rejektppc]

​@@zackestin1368 I mean it being banned could have something to do with it being in modern. But who knows.

[@jesselaplante1040]

Lol you beat me to it.

[@brennanruiz1803]

"We did it, we broke Isochron Scepter", etc, etc

[@DocShotsPhotography]

It’s always a good day when you break it thus always making it a good day lol

[@alaraplatt8104]

slowly becoming my least favorite comment on every single combo deck video

[@atypicaloddity]

80 minute video. "What's our win condition? Elixir of Immortality" Yeah, that tracks

[@anaphysik]

Seth PBKASO: Learns to play from ScepterChant and Stasis. Seth PBKASO: "So anyway, I started Blood Moon 3-Balling."

[@MrKhorn]

To me, control deck without commentary is boring. But as you usually go through your thought process as you go, I think it's entertaining and it's also interesting to know the process and the reason why you did what you did.

[@TrashGnome]

This! Seth, your commentary is the BIGGEST reason I love your videos. I can listen to them podcast-style and know everything that’s going on.

[@KarmicMishap]

I do like watching control mirrors, yes. It's amazing to see the little decisions that matter so much.

[@wvanhuss4190]

29:41 Seth the fact you forgot about Birds of Paradise the Bird that coined the term "Bolt the Bird"pioe how could you 😂

[@lukasloetscher1037]

also yorion is worth a mention here

[@THEpuy]

Slick shot showoff is a bird

[@laurentrobitaille2204]

@@lukasloetscher1037 you can’t bolt Yorion because it’s a 4/5

[@dustindavis3537]

I think that the control play, and specifically the control mirrors are enjoyable enough to watch with you at the helm. You explain your reasoning, and fill what would be called empty turns with interesting and enjoyable commentary. Heck, one of my favorite decks recently, and one I built, was a control style deck with your 'exile everything' deck. That was incredibly enjoyable to watch, and it is hard to play, but so, so fun.

[@MrRockguy84]

most disgusting thing have done in commander: turn 1- land sol ring pass turn 2- land, tap sol ring for iso scepter, imprint silence, silence the upkeep of the player that threatened to win on their turn turn 3- drew unwinding clock, cast unwinding clock, proceed to silence on every opponent's upkeep.

[@englishrobin96]

I really enjoy the occasional control content. They make for slower videos, but hearing you reason out all the point counterpoint and mind games that go on during them helps keep them engaging.

[@stonerainproductions]

I couldn't click any faster! I LOVE scepter chant and I love Goldfish and Seth. Thanks for the awesome content! You could also run the Teferi creature as a backup if you wanted.

[@andrelanca2700]

I used to play teferi criature Back in the Day. Being able to flash him EoT surely comes in hand sometimes.

[@matushorvath]

"Is there any other good bird" Birds of Paradise says hi

[@int3r4ct]

While the Scepter lock seems really cool on paper, I feel like it's gunna be tough to pull of in a Modern format as fast as the one we're currently in, but we'll see how it goes! Also Seth what kind of a friend did you have that beat you with Scepter lock and then moved onto a Stasis deck when you were still a new player lol

[@MTGGoldfish]

"friend"

[@Lsone350]

Thats just what magic used to be, it was all about locking someone down first and it was awesome

[@mikeydildos]

​​@@Lsone350back in my day, we played Steel Golem and we were HAPPY to have it!!! You youngins have no idea what this game was once upon a time at a competitive level 😂

[@user-ip7pn3qd7w]

We love the control content Seth! Keep it up.

[@surfinggarchomp2820]

Seth: I don’t play control because I think it’s bad for content. Meanwhile crim: (No hate towards crim btw I love his content just thought your mentalities were funny)

[@zackestin1368]

Crim gets around this by just never talking about his gameplay

[@ZeroIsEven]

Birds of Paradise has held the bird crown for decades, but a bigger bird is roaming the streets these days

[@mattm7798]

Not for long lol

[@ther3aper561]

BoP is content in sitting on its thrown watching all the young guns pretend to be the best

[@davidhansen5067]

I enjoy watching the control gameplay and control mirrors. It's fascinating decision making, and I still go back and rewatch your old Lantern Control Much Abrew playlist to enjoy some intense control gameplay.

[@maximiliangunther9597]

If you had chanted in response to the summoners pact, you could have surveiled for an untapped land then verdict leaves them dead to pact

[@charredhusk]

Or even used the fetch to go for the troime and then used leyline binding on the halfling, and solitude on the wall of roots and left them without the mana that way for a guarantee regardless of top deck.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, I messed that up.

[@SPDeiterman]

27:26 It depends on when he does this, but if he removed mana dorks while Nadu is on the stack he could have possibly shut off enough mana to get them to die to their pact. However, when Nadu resolves they have two more mana untapped to possibly plan another dork and a chord in hand we know about. If you wait longer for them to maybe tap out then you're giving them at least two coiling oracle triggers to maybe find more mana to pay for the pact anyways. There is still the Pendelhaven to get two triggers before paying for pact that might have saved them as well. Finding the right time to interact with Nadu is actually really annoying.

[@charredhusk]

@@SPDeiterman well, the assumption is casting it before Nadu while pact is on the stack, so Nadu can’t be cast that turn

[@charredhusk]

@@MTGGoldfish I’ll be h8nest, playing against Nadu is about as convoluted as playing it, so not like anyone can really blame you there. We all get to say “you missed this” with the benefit of no pressure and time to think it over 😂

[@charliemallonee2792]

I enjoy seeing control decks from you. It’s a very different kind of game, but it adds an extra level of mind games for when to hold counters or not.

[@brianontiveros-kersch2412]

27:24 I like how you talked about using Strand to surveil for another land then proceeded to very much NOT make that play when a land = Supreme Verdict against an opponent with 3 lands in play who had just cast summoner's pact and was relying on creatures to pay for it on their next upkeep.

[@harklept1]

I very much enjoy control decks and would love to see more of them from you!

[@Small_Panda]

The real sad thing about the nadu game is if you had silenced then fetched to help find the land for verdict they couldnt have paid for pact.

[@aidanhorseman4867]

I love watching the control mirror! Especially with your commentary, it is really cool to hear the thoughts behind every play in such a precise match

[@kyussgaming5588]

I like watching Control because of the learning that you provide. You explain your moves well, and its really good.

[@noahberman6992]

Big fan of you Seth, I actually really like watching control matchups. It usually makes for an interesting slow burn that has very dramatic and exciting end games

[@Savaniel]

Love watching control mirrors! It's great content when you're talking out your decisions, even when there isn't much happening on the board.

[@jemolk8945]

Seth, I love seeing you play control decks. The more, the better.

[@Wernair101]

Love the control content with your commentary!

[@PM-ut6sy]

Control is the only content I watch (and play pretty much), so keep the control videos coming. Also I love control mirrors for the exact same reasons that you mention in the video.

[@0rphio333]

I really enjoy you playing control. It explains a lot.

[@KayZiTV]

Seth I love watching you play control decks! Your commentary makes it very enjoyable to watch

[@TheMCGamer2012]

Seth forgot about Nimble Obstructionist to counter a Scepter activation under the lock

[@aidenmajor8800]

I enjoy watching whatever you play! I love your commentary

[@caleb7882]

Seth, we love watching control decks! Please play more!

[@willdazey7368]

Seth > "Is there another good bird in MTG?" Storm Crow > "Am I a joke to you?"

[@jeremya446]

Enjoyed watching you play control and the mirror!

[@Vince968]

I absolutely love control mirrors, I love playing them and I love watching content creators navigate the matchup

[@DOLOTread]

Yelling at my screen everytime he goes the safe route in clear moment of advantage 😂

[@TheMCGamer2012]

Seth forgot about cycling Resounding Wave to bounce Teferi and Scepter under the lock :)

[@AMassiveHeadache]

I don't particularly enjoy playing as or against control, so i'm unlikely to be in a control mirror; watching is great, i like your commentary, i gain context for what control decks want to do, and how to play around. also the "Oops all board wipes" deck was hilarious. my only complaint, there are lines that i don't understand, especially in modern with cards i don't know what they do. TLDR would like to see more control content

[@ashheilborn]

Control mirrors are very interesting, I think. They're very cerebral. The thing that makes it work is the fact that you're describing all the things you *could* play, and the things your opponent *could* play.

[@Crit20]

i love these control mirrors. im trying to learn the underlining strategies of magic and control is the perfect example of something i have no i have no idea what to do with. control gameplay is super cool to watch

[@Lex_Ender]

Control vs control matchups are the best way to learn how important resource management (including life as a resource), stretching the value of your cards, threat assessment and playing to your outs. I would not mind seeing more games like this.

[@stonerainproductions]

I love watching control decks/control mirrors.

[@jek15origami]

I like watching control mirrors they can lead to some very interesting and sometimes hilarious plays

[@rikleppers4735]

I think these kind of decks are definitely more polarizing. On average more people seem to dislike watching these kind of control decks and control mirrors. I absolutely love it. As a control player myself I love watching you play your control deck here and love it when people play control at tournaments. If there is a control mirror I strap in for the long haul. And as you pointed out, yeah not a lot actually happens, especially in the early turns, but it's a dance. Not a lot happening on the board doesn't mean there isn't a lot happening decision wise. And I love thinking along with the players. But can also understand how that is not for everybody. My personal favorite deck was from a couple of years back where you would win by embleming big Teferi and kept tucking him back in the library. With the Elixer Of Immortality I got similar vibes here. So I loved this. All control all the time would get boring though. But if you manage it switch it up every now and again and play a bit of control I certainly don't mind. I also did not know you are a control player, but because of that you probably don't mind either. But in the end it does depend on all the viewers. If this video tanks that is a clear message. It would suck, but the health of the channel is more important. So if these kind of videos are very unpopular I would understand not getting them in the future.

[@as95ms98]

If Modern wasn't so expensive to get into I would totally build this deck! It looks so funny to me, even if it isn't that good meta wise.

[@djgreeneggsandhampton8680]

I like the controller mirror because you make it enjoyable, I like that you also get happy making people salty it’s light fun.

[@jvt3888]

I love watching control mirrors, CGB got me into magic and gave me an appreciation for a good control mirror

[@andrewsigrist9981]

I like watching very good control players who describe their thought processes so I can learn.

[@Shimatzu95]

Seth: plays a full lockdown deck Also Seth: it feels bad when they miss landdrops Me: 😅

[@TheDewbolt]

Loved the control mirror

[@dumediat_]

As a control player, I enjoy the control content with commentary, lots of interesting decisions. Agree with others that the content isn’t as good without commentary/thought process though.

[@gretchling5012]

for what it's worth, seth, i think control decks make for way better content than combo decks

[@user-kw7jg2wn4v]

this was dope, so cool to see seth playing control games, more control >:D

[@mitchhak2]

Love watching control decks when you are the pilot. You should brew more of them

[@FlawlessRythym]

Seth: "Is there any other good birds?" Paradise and Mindcensor: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@johnlancaster2841]

Personally love watching control decks and control mirrors. It's very interesting seeing the perspective of the person playing and I think it's valuable information for people learning how to play control and what to expect playing it.

[@cordell4920]

liked and comment to tell you all content from you is good. even control!

[@wheresmy10mm]

I love watching control games. It's always interesting game play to see how you get out of tough situations. Combo decks can get a bit dull after you know what the combo is. Control games are like watching chess.

[@acdcguy18]

In response to 53:50 As a control player, I'd really enjoy watching more control games from you.

[@bkwilcox07]

Sounds like that friend & Crim would get along great.

[@EL1991_]

I started playing magic right at the time isochron scepter came out in Mirrodin. Super nostalgic watching this video!

[@JR-zd7ns]

My favorite. I played on deployment. It took my friend 2 turns to realize...

[@TrashGnome]

Fellow controller player here, but I LOVE watching control for the exact reasons you said: the choices are EXTREMELY important.

[@blabik]

We had similar friends when starting Magic. While he had scepter chant deck (back then fire//ice still worked), he didn't use it when we played for fun. His fun card of choice was Capsize:)

[@greysonmiller9407]

Seth broke free from Scepter Chant, and ever since, he refused to be restricted by locks, Stax, and cost paying affects. Some say that to this day, if you're extra lucky on a warm summer's night in the woods, Seth will come lumbering out from the tree line and let you draw cards from your Rhystic Study.

[@dustyfox6511]

So weird when Seth complains about needing an answer to flute when he has Karn and two creature removal spells in hand :| Just turn flute into critter and exile it!

[@MrBurrito]

Waaaaaaaay back when Extended aka Type 1.x was a thing, I played a Scepter Chant deck that was not really that good, but it cleaned up at the kitchen table. This is awesome.

[@pjaxy]

That control match up was super interesting to watch. I enjoy winning and making opponents miserable. Especially with commentary on down each and every intricate decision that you make. But if you lost that last game after punting with the Orim's Chant kicker I wouldn't have forgiven you.

[@ethanmaples8893]

YES! control is very fun to watch

[@Red-Tower]

The early turns of the control mirror are just expected to not be super interested in general, after the first 3-4 turns is when it gets interesting. Deciding what to run out, what to counter, etc. are some of the most fascinating choices and plays in Magic.

[@wardog995]

That starting story was me like 20 years ago. Iso Lock was my second ever deck. Good memories

[@narstotzka1152]

Love watching control gameplay a lot more than any other aggro

[@joshuajordan6632]

the second game vs nadu when they pact'd, it would have been hilarious to watch you draw a land, verdict and they lose to their pact.

[@shawnbecker6913]

If he had just Solituded the halfling they lose to pact

[@jakecollin5499]

When the Isochron Scepter deck appears and the first cards I see are 4xKarn and 4x3feri, my first thought is I bet this is loads of fun to play against.

[@destrofraud698]

Reminds me of when I first started playing and my brother was using a weird isocron scepter fog/ mill deck while I was playing the 2021 challenger aggro deck. Had a horrible time until I realized bone crusher giants adventure also says damage cant be prevented, that was a big moment that got me to keep playing because it was so satisfying after losing so much

[@Lsone350]

I love all intricate magic matches, magic was built on non games, the foundation when i started was Armageddons and stasis which is real hard to make exciting if ur not playing, i loved that magic though and content is all about how you convey your thought process, you do that right and it all works. Blindly playing the best pushed carda to win is hardy thought provoking

[@RatRatham]

I would love to see more control content. More modern and more control. :)

[@michaelsparks1571]

23:37 Also another reason the 2-mana Scute Swarm Nantuko gets to see play is that if your opponent has removal, for the same price you can use it Bestow cost to force them to use TWO spells to get rid of it. 23:33 "Is there even another good Bird in magic?" Birds of Paradise, "Am I a joke to you..?"

[@MJPH-ft3lj]

You're taking me back to 2002 :)

[@cannonspectacle5195]

I'm probably an oddity but I actually really like watching control mirrors, particularly when there's a lot of discussion around decisions

[@vividsyntax5301]

I say this every time, but "Gield of Guin" is my favorite Goldfish in-joke.

[@tylersings1849]

Other good birds. Derevi. If it were modern legal, it would have made an archetype.

[@ivan-ky9mk]

Seth, I know, its a bit late, but can you try pairing up Brisle Bill with Kami of whispered House? Basically, Kami taps for a mana dor brisle bill, which makes her tap for even more mana to activate bill even more often. You can cap out the counters limit on like turn 5-7.

[@taylorbruning7287]

To answer your question I love watching control and prison style decks as well as other archetypes

[@megapixzel]

I think the control content is fine. It just moves the commentatable action from mostly your turn to your opponents turn Although I'm an hour in and no one's made you play it out yet. That might be a bit boring Yeah back from match 5. That was loooong. I feel so bad for op. Randomly getting 5 min off your clock in the control mirror with both players at ~10 min. I'd have tilt conceded

[@swampybwoy]

I like watching control, and control mirrors

[@cybrson]

I love the control content, I would really love to see that jeskai miracle phlage deck in much abrew or something

[@Awesomesausages]

53:48 I like watching asymmetrical control matchups. Land-pass isn't the thrilling part no, but the considerations each player takes, when to fetch what and what to counterspell, shit's rad. What makes them more intriguing to watch is hearing the player talk through their decisions here and there, but I feel like you would run out of time talking through everything that goes on in your mind, hahahah. You do a good job though :> I like it.

[@levijaeger4910]

This... This is the video I have been waiting for even since Orim's Chant was revealed in MH3.

[@nikitamiller3207]

id love to see more control gameplay

[@justinjones5034]

Arcane Elitist is Scepter with legs if you want recursion in your deck

[@matushorvath]

Control is fine to watch from time to time, the commentary makes it interesting. If you just silently played it would be boring, but you explain why you're doing what you're doing, and the gameplay of a control deck is interesting as long as you can understand what the player is trying to do.

[@Joebob31100]

I would love to see you play more control style decks, as long as you are narrating your thought process and why you are doing nothing for X turns. I think it'd be very engaging and instructive, especially for Arena Zoomers who might want to learn more about control as a deck type.

[@thecrazycapn]

Hey Seth! Comments here slamming out a pile of powerful birds for you. How about an Against the Odds with Nadu in a Bird Tribal deck? Is Nadu so good it can help Bird Tribal?

[@mcintyre0591]

Too bad it isn't on Arena as this would be a great "teaching zoomers" deck 😂 Always fun to see Seth play a prison deck

[@BrandoCliftDean]

I like control mirrors. I feel like I learn a lot.

[@joegeomancer6978]

Conyrol is great. I would watch you play a deck of 60 basic lands. I could watch any other magic content creator I come here because I like watching you play Magic regardless of what deck it is. Love all your work keep it up.