You Can't Buy a Ticket From Catford to Catford Bridge

Why does Catford have two stations? And I discovered that you can't buy a paper ticket between them ... because obviously it's quicker to walk.
Except, you CAN take the train - going the long way round, and if you pay for it on Oyster. But how long does it take? And how much does it cost?
Catford to Catford Bridge is shown as a 'walking route' on the the new London Rail Map, and is also (as you would expect) an official OSI, so you can change between the two stations and not be charged twice - it counts as one journey.

[@geofftech2]

Crofton Park - Catford - Bellingham, OBVIOUSLY. (Just making sure you're all paying attention!)

[@dsintel6652]

I was going to say strange location to call a station Ladywell haha

[@nathanw9770]

Geoff Marshall I have another video idea! Just down the road from Catford in Bellingham there are two bus stops which are just 80 metres apart from each other. They are called Catford bus garage (BN) and Bellingham Road (BQ) and I believe it's the shortest payable journey in London. You should try it for yourself.

[@ryangordon3011]

New Cross To New Cross Gate No Fares

[@highpath4776]

@@nathanw9770 I think I have a close one for the buses near me, I will have to check the distance as I can walk it it cannot be much over 100 yards.

[@adansegura3751]

Of course! But one thing I live in New York City and I Know the whole system but I still like to watch the TFL videos plus I have never been to the uk

[@29brendus]

We're much smarter in Ireland. At Rosslare the boat arrives from France each day at 14h00 after an epic 18hr journey. The train leaves Rosslare Harbour for Dublin at 13h50. Well it's nice to watch the train pull out as you come over the horizon. Very scenic.

[@erikgag]

You should file a complaint to the train company

[@AlexS-oj8qf]

Imagine booking said train, not realizing how long it takes for the boat to dock lmao

[@TEAKUKAMBASSADOR]

Classic!

[@29brendus]

@@TEAKUKAMBASSADOR Oh yes classic, but they have solved the problem now. They have closed the rail line to the port. Instead you can watch the train departing from the nearest town 13 miles away.

[@xander1052]

@@29brendus hey at least its not pulling out at the port and therefore you don't feel as shafted by the train, but instead the rail owner.

[@andrewwebb3431]

I'd love to meet the TfL statistician that has to somehow integrate your very strange journeys into the overall data. You must be the cause of many, many anomalies. "Dave, Dave, come over here. (Don't know why their colleague's called Dave, but there you go) This bloke has gone from Catford to Catford Bridge by train! And then a few months ago he spent a whole morning going backwards and forwards from Earl's Court to Kensington Olympia. And before that he went and spent hours going round and round on the trams. He's clearly mad..."

[@ponkyponk86]

Love to be a fly on the wall 😂😂😂

[@hikaru-live]

@@ponkyponk86 Can Oyster cards be linked to someone's identity (which is usually required if you want to apply TfL discounts from Railcards) and reveal that the specific Oyster card belongs to Geoff? Especially if Geoff has a 26-30 Railcard that comes with a TfL discount that can be linked.

[@andrewwebb3431]

@@hikaru-live Yes, they are linked. Like Geoff said in the video you can login online, enter your details and all your recent journeys show up. I would have thought that the data analysts have access to the same information with notable redactions like name, contact details, date of birth, etc. They can just see that the Oyster card serial number 1234567 has made certain journeys. Wow, that was a longer comment than I intended!

[@hikaru-live]

@@andrewwebb3431 Well if personal information are being redacted, the Oyster card ID will also be redacted since it can be used to identify someone. It is possible to read those type of cards using an NFC-enabled smartphone.

[@tomsmith5584]

Can you imagine what it was like when he did his 24 busses in an hour trick?

[@clasifiedman2000]

I love the dedication you have to take the train for 40 minutes instead of simply tapping in at catford, walking over to catford bridge and tapping out there

[@Beatlefan67]

I wonder if the machine would go into meltdown as the journey took 37 seconds and not 42 minutes? Kablammo!!

[@joesos]

if youre paying for the train ride u might as well use it lol

[@darylcheshire1618]

@@Beatlefan67 It will probably deduct the fare.

[@AlonsoRules]

"single from catford to catford bridge please" "I'm sorry sir, but its faster to walk" "I don't want to walk sir, get me a damn ticket"

[@oz_jones]

"Did I stutter?"

[@b00108982]

Guy who sells the tickets: NO

[@woutervanr]

Lol. Ofcourse not taking into account the distance you actually walk in stations and in the train.

[@ccityplanner1217]

@@woutervanr If you go at the back of the second train, the walk between the platforms at Lewisham is shorter, but this means leaving Catford at the front of the first train & arriving at Catford Bridge at the back of the third, which are the ends furthest away from the exit. So total walking distance is probably longer.

[@glennmcintosh9232]

Osmosis Jones Stanley

[@ParthaDey97]

Geoff Marshall, proudly answering questions that no body has ever asked 🎉

[@jojoray]

Partha Dey no replies to this comment yet 159 likes. Hmm

[@foomer5943]

Jojo ;P 2 answers 173 likes

[@Vxllain]

Make that 192*

[@garethaethwy]

Make that 194 likes, 4 comments...

[@manoo9088]

Gareth Williams make that 224 likes and 5 comments

[@ManicEngine]

RIP the Master Ticketing Mainframe as it explodes trying to calculate another one of Geoffs adventures

[@DoctorWhom]

If its a real mainframe it'll fail safely.

[@K21_KXW]

Sarcasm is spoiled on you

[@nthglasScotland]

This person who used the word "Mainframe" is of my generation, or x1 of my "uncles". Generation snowflake have no idea, before information could be packaged so small, into their pocket.

[@autumnhd]

ok boomer

[@TehDragonGuy]

I love how it's a longer walk between the two platforms at Lewisham than the two stations in Catford!...

[@mariosphere]

In Switzerland you can't buy a ticket to Sagliains, because it's an "Interchange Only" station: Just an island platform between tracks without any exit.

[@Ritaaw1]

Not even an emergency exit?

[@mariosphere]

​@@Ritaaw1 in case of an emergency I think noone cares when you are crossing the rails. But there ist really no possibility to leave the station legally exept taking another train. There is also no settlement but the next station you can leave legally is just 1km away. Nevertheless, this station is quite busy, because there meet two lines and every hour in both direction many people change trains.

[@Trockenshampooleopard]

Like Manulla Junction in Ireland!

[@mariosphere]

@@Trockenshampooleopard exactly ;)

[@thomppeus]

Something we are clearly lacking in the UK

[@EoRdE6]

Dare I say you could have made this a lot easier by tapping in at one station, walking the 37 seconds and tapping out at the other?

[@hassanalihusseini1717]

What would be the fare? He should try!

[@a.w.abbasi]

@@hassanalihusseini1717 I think it will charge the same? the system wouldn't be able to tell if you walked between the stations or did what Geoff did and traveled by train

[@hassanalihusseini1717]

@@a.w.abbasi That sounds very reasonable. But I like always to proof theory with experiment (I am Physicist :-)). But really I think you are right with a probability of more than 99.9%. :-)

[@GaryCameron780]

Would the system be able to determine a 37 walk versus the time the trains would take based on taps?

[@hassanalihusseini1717]

@@GaryCameron780 That also was my thought.

[@BirbarianHomeGuard]

Just a stone’s throw away! Let’s test it out! *hits BTP on accident, accidentally sparks UK yellow vest revolution*

[@jesusgonzalez6715]

Well they say the Kiel uprising that led to the fall of the Kaiserreich and the establishment of the Weimar Republic was sparked by a sailor urinating and being told off by a superior and his pals saying "We're not gonna take it from you guys any more"

[@jfw0382]

I live in catford so i actually could test it

[@NOWThatsRichy]

It's railway land it'll have to be orange vest! 😁

[@WIRRUZZZ]

I wonder if going by train actually requires you to walk a longer distance than walking directly?

[@janssenmccormick7824]

NownGeoff needs to do another video with a pedometer on screen

[@Septimus_ii]

The way Geoff did it probably does, but I'm sure you could find a combination of trains where the platform changes are very short

[@adamlea6339]

Almost certainly, the time take to get between platforms is probably comparable, unless the platform he needs to get too are next to the platform he arrived at.

[@ccityplanner1217]

At Catford the entrance is at the back of the train. At Nunhead it is an island platform so you can use anywhere but you retrovert so if you arrive at the rear of the first train you end up at the front of the second, & vice-versa. At Lewisham the subway is at the back of the train. At Catford Bridge the exit is at the front of the train. Therefore you have to walk 2 platform lengths.

[@cxarli]

It’s so reassuring to know that if I can’t find a way to make a 37-second journey last 42 minutes, that Geoff is there to show me the way.

[@abootoo956]

What an utterly ridiculous thing to do. Let's see you do another one of these!

[@thomppeus]

"You Can't Buy a Ticket From Catford to Catford Bridge" - that sounds like a song title

[@ih82r8]

Jay Foreman could write that

[@PreNeanderthal]

When you touched out I was waiting for a little wisp of smoke to start rising from the reader before it eventually burst into flames.

[@Kieranbm_]

Wigan Wallgate - Wigan North Western About 40 seconds walk between them, but cant get tickets between

[@philippaboast8866]

Yes my thoughts exactly just now after watching videos

[@kaybrann]

I thought the same, thank you for saving me the trouble of checking. Spot the northerners!

[@rodrigodelprat]

I love these magnificently absurd London transport escapades!

[@AtomicShrimp]

I found this one really interesting - I guess I just assumed that ticket machines used an algorithm to calculate fares between stations and would always come up with something if there was a network path between the two. Can you buy a ticket that goes part of the way, but still traverses the two lines? (e.g.Catford Bridge to Crofton Park)? Do you think there are any cases like this where there is significant geographic separation between stations with no single ticket available, but where there are possible routes?

[@Absolute_Zero7]

I believe the way it works is that it assumes both stations are one in the same, basically like an interchange station. As a result, trying to buy a ticket between the two is like asking the system to buy a ticket from Lewisham to Lewisham. You just can't do it.

[@paulhealy2557]

A nunhead return might actually say catford or catford bridge on the return part

[@acmenipponair]

Well and on the other side you can also go crazy in spending money. I just typed in the Bahn DE system, that I want to go from Hamburg Hbf to Hamburg Dammtor by ICE. ONLY by ICE. You could also use regional trains, suburban trains, Ubahn and the bus and it would mostly be the same travel time (at least with ICE, Regional train, Suburban train, because they use the same tracks/the tracks next to each other). The normal price for a single ticket for the two stations is 3,30 Eur. When you want to go back and forth the stations, you can buy for 6,50 euro a day ticket. But when you want to go all out, you can buy a ticket for 9,40 Euro for the ICE for a trip of 3 minutes! Oh and by the way, when you want to go from Hamburg Hbf to Hamburg Altona via ICE, it literally says "no fares" - but that even one MORE station than just Hbf to Dammtor. (The price for the non-ICE-Train is still the same, 3,30 Euro/single) :D

[@ubergeekian]

@@acmenipponair There used to be first class tickets between Edinburgh Waverley and Edinburgh Haymarket, four minutes away. About £3, as I recall, and allowed you to use the first class lounge at Waverley, with free food and drink, wifi, papers and so on.

[@techgamer3007]

I love your videos

[@whaleytim4186]

Well, I tried New Mills Central to New Mills Newtown on Trainline on a weekday. I was offered this itinerary: 06:05 New Mills Central - > Manchester Piccadilly Make my way to Manchester Victoria 07:25 Manchester Victoria to Salford Crescent 07:47 Salford Crescent to Deansgate 08:07 Deansgate to Salford Crescent 08:18 Salford Crescent to Manchester Victoria Make my way to Manchester Piccadilly 09:11 Manchester Piccadilly to New Mills Newtown

[@neilsayle9661]

Why would you go to Victoria when both New Mills trains come from Piccadilly?

[@ilexdiapason]

love the huge amount of unnecessary stops

[@BlackCombeRunnerKarl]

What about Reddish North to Reddish South in suburban Manchester? Reddish North gets a frequent service, whereas Reddish South is served by what I call the Stockport ghost Train. That station only gets one train in each direction per week.

[@j.wellens5660]

Maybe the Tfl way makes sense - I tried the reverse of your route (Newtown to Central), and was surprised that a ticket was available, but for £15.90 - the shortest walking alternative is approx 800m, driving distance 1.2km - a taxi at the local rates would currently only cost less than a fiver. (ps don't follow the google maps plotted route for walking between the stations - it involves jumping off the Union Road bridge onto the path 30m lower!)

[@bigman5125]

Windsor and Eton Central to Windsor and Eton Riverside has no tickets available, unless you specify to go via Slough. The walk will take around 8 mins, or the train (via Slough, Reading and Staines) will take the best part of 2 hours.

[@DanLoudShirts]

I've done it for the sheer fun of it!

[@jopalmer4193]

Realised that when we visited at the end of December. Planning on doing it because it seemed like a nonsense fun thing to do. Glad I’m not alone in having these Geoff inspired mad moments.

[@DanLoudShirts]

Four ways to do it. Riverside to Central via Staines and Reading, via Waterloo and Paddington. Central to Riverside via Reading, via Paddington and Waterloo.

[@jopalmer4193]

Cheers for that 👍

[@ianmcclavin]

You can buy a Staines to Slough ticket specified via the two Windsor stations though, also another funny one is Stevenage to Bishop's Stortford via Hertford North and Hertford East! (walking between the two).

[@MattL3457]

Out of curiosity I just checked between Bradford Forster square and Bradford interchange - a mere 10-15 minute walk and it suggests walking or gives he option of a £7.10 1 hour journey from Bradford Forster to Leeds and Leeds to interchange ...

[@nope.0.]

Tried that in the Northern app and it gave me "No tickets available"

[@MattL3457]

Nope Jpg I my search on national rail ... I find northern a little slow and sometimes doesn’t work on Saturdays due to strike action 😂😂

[@petermichaelgreen]

@@MattL3457 There are no point to point tickets between the stations. However NRE includes some but not all ranger tickets in it's search and if it can't find any ticket at all (including the aforementioned rangers) that covers the whole journey the NRE website (but not the NRE app) will split it and sell multiple tickets.

[@kaijackson724]

Hertford north and hertford east is on, stations are about 15 minutes walk apart, but no trains link the lines as far as I'm aware

[@duncanmccormick6002]

Amazingly, you CAN buy a ticket from Wigan North Western to Wigan Wallgate, for a walk-up single fare of £24.50 and changing at Hindley -- yet it's a bus service because of a "timetable change" at the precise time of writing. Walking time is advertised as being 1 minute, compared to the 33 minute train journey. [According to National Rail Enquiries].

[@petermichaelgreen]

There are no point to point fares defined between Wigan North Western and Wigan Wallgate. However NRE seems to consider some but not all ranger/rover tickets when looking for fares to sell. Specifically in this case I believe it it trying to sell you a Cheshire day ranger.

[@mattbuck4950]

I'm rather disappointed to find out that you CAN buy a ticket from St Pancras to King's Cross. It costs £6.40 (Zone 1/2 to London terminals)

[@ucannotmakeitup]

NRE shows tickets to and from St Pancras and King’s Cross but it also shows a one-minute walking route at the top of the results page. However on the Govia Great Northern/Thameslink websites, you can get a ticket from St Pancras TO King’s Cross for £9.00 (£5.00 on Oyster PAYG) but for the other direction, you may need to change the results page to List view as some times may just say “No results for this search”

[@mrscreamer379]

I can't think of a more beautiful station in all of Britain than St Pancras. Kings Cross ... not so much.

[@callistogarnet]

Mr Screamer Are you talking about outside or inside the station? Kings Cross post-makeover is really nice

[@PatrickMcAsey]

@@mrscreamer379 They're both fabulous stations. Great atmosphere and great planning at St Pancras, while King's Cross is a marvel with that vaulted concourse. Two of the best stations ever, and they're just across the road from each other!

[@archez8363]

@PatrickMcasey unless,like me, you find it utterly ridiculous to have a platform 0 !! I went there last year to catch a train to Yorkshire. There were a few cancellations and the departures board was very slow putting the platform numbers up. While it was deciding which platform was allocated to which train, it was flashing on and off. Then my train got the 0 symbol flashing which I thought meant it hadn’t got it’s number yet, but no, there is a platform zero! WHY? If the platform was added/built later than platform 1 why not call it platform 1a or platform A or platform 9 3/4? I don’t understand why you would not start off numbering platforms from 1. Does anyone know?

[@scottlad2768]

You can’t buy a ticket between Southend Central and Southend Victoria

[@DrPepper22222]

true, even though they are a fair good walk apart. To go between them via rail would take a minimum of an hour!

[@scottlad2768]

DrPepper22222 probably the best way would be to go to Upminster, then cross over to Romford and come back again

[@stephendines1936]

@@DrPepper22222 1 hour 48 mins via Romford and Upminster.

[@llux]

ScottLad sounds like home

[@SOSOwner]

Looks like we have another Southend person...

[@lindseycurry8321]

Loved this! I last lived in London in 2008, in Erith and the DLR at Woolwich was still being built, made me miss it!

[@toddhunter3137]

I absolutely love watching your videos Geoff. Top stuff!! 😉

[@clickrick]

You're mad, Mr Marshall, utterly stark-raving lost-it mad.

[@carolinegreenwell9086]

Agreed. Totally whacky thing to do. But then, that's why we love you Geoff.

[@ianmoseley9910]

No! merely eccentric

[@clickrick]

@@carolinegreenwell9086 True!

[@grahamlea2160]

YES, HE WRONGLY GOT LOTS OF FREE MONEY FOR A FREE HOLIDAY AROUND BRITAIN, BUT HAD NOT RESERACHED THE HISTORY AND DATES OF STATIONS ON THIS SO CALLED ALL STATIONS, WHICH REALLY ONLY INVOLVED ACTUALLY VISITING CIRCA A THIRD OF OR LESS THAN ALL STATIONS ON NETWORK RAIL. PAY BACK THE MONEY GEOF. THEN HE GOT AN AWARD, FOR WHAT I ASK, HES DONE NOTHING TO HELP PASSENGERS GET A BETTER RAIL SERVICE. GEOFF IS UP HIMSELF AND A PRIVILEDGED PUBLICITY SEEKER. WHEN I WS MOBILE I WORKED AT DLR.. L/U L/U AND N/R STATIONS AND ON BUS STATIONS DOING LONG HOURS FROM EARLY MORNING AND LATE AT NIGHT, HELPING THE PUBLIC AT RAIL UPGRADE CLOSURES. I WENT FAR FROM MY LINE OF DUTY TO ENSURE THE PUBLIC GOT THE FIRST CLASS SERVICE THEY DESERVED, SORTING OUT MANY PROBLEMS DIRECT WITH STAFF INVOLVED, BUT NOT MY ACTUAL RESPONSIBILITY. I HAD RAIL BUSES FOR BOSTON MANOR COME TO OSTERLY. I TOLD BUS CONTROLLER&STATION SUPERVISOR AND IT WAS SORTED QUICKLY. I HAD A REPUTATION,`GIVING AN EXCELLENT SERVICE ALL OVER GREATER LONDON AND GOT COMMENDAIONS FOM PUBLIC AND BUS AND RAIL STAFFROM BOTTOM TO THE TOP. I WAS CALLED AN EXPERT & A LEGEND, BUT NO AWARDS. THOSE WHO DO LITTLE GET AWARDS,BUT THOSE WHO DO LOTS GET NOWT.

[@maplady572]

He is, but we watch because we would like to do these things ourselves 😎 I know I would! (I ride up and down tram routes without getting off. Family think I need a check-up from the neck up 😉)

[@TylerFurrison]

The Tom Scott of the railroad

[@danknight7431]

Only a year late but there are no tickets available between Dorchester South and Dorchester West

[@guysimpson9420]

This is important customer advice, and I'm glad that someone it taking it seriously!

[@lucysomers]

I'm loving the eccentric bin shots!

[@DoubleDeckerAnton]

I never thought about it driving thru their on my bus! 🤔➡️👍😂

[@imtiazrahman1977]

*this has to be said Hello anton!

[@imtiazrahman1977]

@Eric Mugisha haha

[@oforid2227]

Wahey its anton how are you

[@nathanw9770]

I must've seen you at least once I'm local to Catford.

[@leomorris1773]

In the US there’s a situation sorta like this. In the northern section of the North East Corridor (between Providence RI and Boston MA) you can not buy an Amtrak ticket between stations with in that area, as in, southbound (Providence) trains only pick up and northbound (Boston) trains only drop off. This due to an agreement with the MBTA, the state commuter rail in the area to prevent competition of their service along the route. (Boston is a terminus for both routes but the MBTA only goes as far as Providence, where as Amtrak continues on)

[@ylpea5170]

Brave new world,it is Saturday morning, im am sitting here in southern Finland watching a video about buying tickets between two UK train stations. I like!

[@ianmcclavin]

One journey you CAN buy tickets between is Worcester Foregate Street to Worcester Shrub Hill, but there was an article in one of the railway magazines a few years' ago about someone finding a discarded SEAT RESERVATION ticket just between those two!!

[@grassytramtracks]

but those are on the same line, so there's no reason you wouldn't be able to buy a ticket between the two

[@pavarottiaardvark3431]

You should go to the village of Tyndrum in Scotland. It has two train stations, each on a different line, and you can buy a ticket between them on most days. But the interesting part is this - Tyndrum only has a population of 167. Catford would need more than 500 stations to match that Person-to-Station ratio.

[@georgeprout42]

Reading General (GWR) and Reading South (originally SE railways) were so close together that they merged in 1965 and it's now just called Reading. If you've ever had to change here for Waterloo or Gatwick, that's why those platforms are set back a bit.

[@Wario512]

beautiful footage inbetween, for example the mirroring station sign, great!

[@deezynar]

This is the practical information that I subscribe to this channel to get. Of course, I live 1/4 of the way around the globe from there, but I'm sure this information will come in handy to me someday.

[@jeffpoppin9837]

I don't know how I got recommended this but I bloody loved it.

[@jyoules9833]

Someone I knew donkey's ago would take the tube from Lancaster Gate to Paddington for several weeks until he found out how close the two stations are.

[@TorreFernand]

almost had that happen to me some ten years ago. Fortunately, my trip to London was cancelled and I've never had another chance to go to London since

[@ajs41]

@@TorreFernand London has lots of interesting things to see, but it isn't a very hospitable place in my experience. I'm from central England.

[@thomasw4422]

This makes me thankful for our centrally planned network, where stations all meet up and there aren't any awkward bits

[@janehigh5279]

Geoff, I love this little trip, you're so wild & crazy 😀

[@stadt-undstraenbahntv4321]

Berlin: Spandau station (Urban Rail Trains, Regional- and far distance trains) to Spandau Underground station.

[@deafyboy86]

Having just watched this. I don't believe you can buy a ticket between Dorking Main station, and Dorking Deepdene station.

[@adamlea6339]

Certainly can't on the national rail website.

[@mysticgamingtv3521]

Here in Germany you can buy a ticket between "Friedrichshafen Stadt" und "Friedrichshafen Hafen". The distance between the stations is about 800 meters and there is a regular train every hour running only at this very small section.

[@grassytramtracks]

well, those stations are on the same line, and there are direct trains, unlike Catford and Catford Bridge

[@davidosilverman900]

5:47 Could you not have just looked at the screen on the card reader as you tapped out at Catford Bridge? It should tell you how much you've just paid for your journey.

[@lonmark1980]

Geoff, try Canterbury East/West in your next story. :-)

[@DanielsPolitics1]

Kentish Town to Kentish Town West it only offers a travel card, for which it charges £13.10, despite the route never leaving zone 2, nor leaving National Rail.

[@thybarofsoap1741]

I watched this video knowing it's close to home and I loved it. Very nice way of thinking. I sorta like the longer way better

[@DoubleACbg]

I rode similar routes between stations on different Underground and rail lines in Greater London back in 2001, and on the New York subway back in 1998. If I ever get back to either of those places I’ll do that again.

[@FramebyFrameanimation]

Bank to Monument comes to mind :p

[@MrJayrenD]

It feels like a payable journey getting through that station though...

[@Gregdotgreg]

Whyteleafe and Upper Warlingham, or Sanderstead and Purley Oaks you cannot buy tickets between. Coulsdon South and Coulsdon Town as well. Riddlesdown and Purley. East Croydon and West Croydon. Edenbridge and Edenbridge Town.. Probably any pair of stations that National Rail considers to be a walkable interchange would be the same. Not dissimilar to what would be an 'out of station interchange' in the Oyster area. Having just checked there are TWO possible fares from Riddlesdown to Purley - one via East Croydon, the other via Whyteleafe. Even though its walkable!

[@caseyedwards2331]

Big up the Oxted Branch Line

[@munkeyweb]

Hilariously, according to BRFares there is a ticket for East Croydon to West Croydon and it costs £3.30

[@1963salvator]

yet you CAN buy a ticket from Wrexham Central to Wrexham General, or from Manchester Piccadilly to Manchester Oxford Road (or Manchester Victoria)

[@Saxshoe]

In Elizabeth NJ there once were two stations just across the street from one another. One was owned by the CRRNJ, the other by PRR. The CRRNJ station operated on a line that ran from Easton PA to Jersey City East-West and the PRR operated on a line that ran from Philadelphia to NYC Southwest-Northeast. At one point in time it was a level railroad crossing, the busiest at the time, until PRR elevated that portion of their line. After the Aldene plan was completed (which redirected all CRRNJ traffic eastbound via a different line onto the PRR line) all stations East of old Aldene were more or less shut down. However one can still see while inside a train stopped at Elizabeth the tower attached to the old CRRNJ station building very close to the modern Elizabeth station.

[@zicron21ck]

When I visit london last month, i like the announcement of the safety reminder... Lucky it not haunted me in the night... Just bad did not found your video before going to london... if not, i also going to explore more on certain line based on your video...

[@timprovost8820]

Geoff!! St Budeaux is in Plymouth. In Devon. Not Cornwall. Next you'll be telling us you put the jam on first...

[@Scotford_Maconochie]

Clotted cream always first! Anyone putting the jam first deserves a death sentence

[@2thinkcritically]

I was going to say the same thing. St Budeaux Victoria Road and St Budeaux Ferry Road. Ferry Road is the main line, while Victoria Road takes you on the Tamar Valley line to Bere Alston.

[@MarkAtkin]

Are you talking about scuns?

[@vincentalexander2985]

Portsmouth Arms to Portsmouth Harbour? Tee hee only arsing about....

[@Jayfive276]

5:13 - representing the north there is Burscough Bridge and Burscough Junction. 10-15 minute walk apart. The former is on the Southport to Manchester line, the latter is on the Ormskirk to Preston line.

[@johnwebster3224]

When I worked at Burscough Bridge in the late 50's early 60's you could buy a ticket to Burscough Junction but this came to end when the Southport - Ormskirk service was withdrawn in the middle 60's!

[@johnwebster3224]

Another in the North West is Wigan Wallgate to Wigan North Western! Quicker to walk!

[@Speireata4]

Greetings from Germany. Only through this video I noticed that we have a similar situation in my home town. The stations are a short walking distance from each other, but not connected with any line (you have to go to the next city and change there to another line to get there) and if you try to buy a ticket online from one to the other, they tell you, you can't.

[@TheImmortalPwnage]

I moved away from Kent after four years. I miss these train sounds, genuinely getting nostalgia

[@beagleuk3233]

You can't buy a ticket for Wigan (Wallgate) to Wigan (Northwestern)

[@jackmeatsix]

Retro Beagle You beat me to it. It shows the route via Hindley but won’t let you buy the ticket

[@CJonestheSteam72]

It's a 30 run up (or down) the hill

[@garethaethwy]

What about Warrington Central and Warrington Bank Quay...

[@kriss_b]

I came to put this in the comments but you beat me too it, it's just a 21 second walk between the two stations

[@beagleuk3233]

The two Warringtons are a further walk than the two Wigans but probably harder to do train-wise.

[@jontyjago]

Dorchester South & Dorchester West are a 5 minute walk apart, and National Rail will sell you a ticket for the 32 minute journey, changing at Upwey for £7.60

[@timorgano]

Beat me to it. I couldn't find the ticket looking on other sites though. That's amusing

[@jamesbuckley031090]

my local stations

[@Mainline421]

There are no tickets between these stations that's a splitting tickets at Upwey www.brfares.com/#!fares?orig=DCH&dest=DCW

[@andrewthornegeo]

@@Mainline421 It told me to buy a Severn and Solent Rover at £63.00. Seems a bit extreme for a short walk.

[@jontout]

That was my first thought as well. I used to live near Dorch and South West once tried to flog me a ticket between those two stations on a route that took in Southampton Central and Bristol Temple Meads. I didn't take them up on their offer!

[@TheRedPython]

4:45 just telling us about all the connections that aren’t available isn’t enough. I need a mini series showing you making all those journeys!!

[@Protecter117]

Wakefield Westgate and Kirkgate do have a northern rail train that passes between once per hour on the Huddersfield - Kirkgate line, then it waits and cuts onto the mainline Westgate/Leeds/Sheffield line I believe.

[@harryscorah2091]

Canterbury East and Canterbury West = No Fares Available.

[@frglee]

Theres one 'journey' mentioned on the National Rail Network site. A 17 minute walk. No fare is given!

[@RobertyBrownio]

@@frglee I'd much rather get a Train to Dover Priory & Change for a Train to Ramsgate & change for a Train to Canterbury West then try and navigate Canterbury High Street/Whitefriars between Canterbury East&West haha!

[@grahamcutress47]

I had an East to West connection to get to St Pancras, because it didn't allow for a Dover Priory change and I ended up on the bus to West with a suitcase I really couldn't be bothered

[@Teverell]

Canterbury East and West are more than 37 seconds' walk apart, though. Not something I'd want to try if I was in a hurry...

[@Teverell]

@@grahamcutress47 I used to be able to recite all the stations from London Victoria to Ramsgate and Dover Priory - I'd get the train to Gillingham when they still had the eight-car trains that divided at Faversham.

[@onlineamiga]

Scunthorpe to Hull is an interesting one. Just looked on nationalrail and you can buy a ticket. But it would be crazy to take the train. Scunthorpe is south of the river humber and Hull is north. You'd drive over the humber bridge to get between them, journey time of approx 45 minutes. But to do it on the train, you have to go all the way to Doncaster. some 45 miles in the wrong direction, to get another train back east again. Taking up to 2 hours and costing nearly £30 one way for the hassle. For that one, you should take the bus :)

[@Eurobrasil550]

It actually shows a fare of over £40.00 for the even more absurd Barton on Humber to Hull where the frequent Bus would obviously be much quicker and cheaper,(as shown on the National Rail website)

[@seraphina985]

@@Eurobrasil550 Shame we don't live in a sensible country that would have made that a double deck bridge to connect the railway lines on each side of the estuary too but that would have been too sensible for late 1970's UK I guess.

[@TallBoyGareth1]

Nice transition between the window and tv screen 👏🏻

[@c2fish1]

I'd love to see a few more of these! My vote for the next one is West Hampstead ThamesLink to West Hampstead NLL.

[@princegord]

My favourite anomaly is that Clarkston and Williamwood stations in Glasgow are about 15 minutes apart (walking), and you can buy that ticket, but the only interchange point is Glasgow Central. Commuters living between the two have realised that they can buy an Anytime Single (at £3.50) between these stations, which is valid into Glasgow in the morning, break the journey as allowed on this ticket (to go to work), and return after work for less than the cost of an off peak return (£3.60 or £3.70). Nice saving on the £5 Anytime return Scotrail would otherwise charge you to return to the same station you started from. Apparently Scotrail don't like people knowing this though!

[@grahamlea2160]

ALL TRAIN COMPANIES SHOULD BY LAW TRELL PASSENGERS ALL THESE OPTIONS, OR BRE PROSECUTED,

[@catprog]

@@grahamlea2160 All the options? Including ones such as going to all the stations before your entry, going to the ones after your destination and changing trains to go back?

[@paisleybuddie5096]

Likewise Paisley Canal and Paisley Gilmour Street. Distance between the two is 0.6 miles, a single between the two (the only interchange is Glasgow Central) is £4.20 yet a peak return from either to Glasgow is £6.60.

[@michaelocyoung]

Interestingly the exact reverse is true just over the border in Wales...... £2.10 is also the fare for a journey between Severn Tunnel Junction and Caldicot, although due to the topography that is actually a 40 minute walk (2 miles) or a 2 minute train journey. I imagine if it wasn't old diesel units and was electric tram-trains, the journey could be done in 1 minute. £1 per minute; they're about 1200m apart as the crow flies.

[@michaelocyoung]

( I believe this also makes it more expensive per mile than the purported most expensive train fare in the UK - the £25 for the 16 mile 15 minute journey from Paddington to Heathrow T5)

[@escapedlunatic27]

Think the same applies in most places where there are two nearby stations on different lines - you can't buy a ticket from Dorking to Dorking Deepdene, or from Dorchester South to Dorchester West. Interestingly, you *can* buy a ticket from Birmingham New Street to Birmingham Moor Street - it advises you to walk to Snow Hill, then take the train from there to Moor Street. New Street to Snow Hill is further than New Street to Moor Street, so before you've even got on the train at Snow Hill you've already taken longer than you would have done walking directly.

[@timjohnson689]

I just love all this stuff!

[@Cakeyboi4]

0:39 2 stations named ladywell? no wonder both catford stations are right next to eachother, geoff made them seem like rivals but they both secretly had a crush on eachother.

[@itsalpreacher3954]

At night, Matt's voice haunts my dreams.

[@lornova79]

I don't get it. Who's Matt?

[@OneKnifeYeHand]

The person that recorded the automated announcements on Thameslink.

[@enzo1701]

There used to be two separate stations on my train journey to Cardiff called Abercynon North and Abercynon South. I don't think they were competing companies but they were only about one minute apart by foot. You could see the one station from the other and you couldn't buy a ticket between them. Secondly, I used to work for NRES in the late 1990s. On the computer systems we used at the time, if you tried to search for routes or tickets on this sort of journey it would crash the computer. They later upgraded the computer software we used though and amusingly if you then tried to search those routes it would tell you to walk.

[@mariamihailik5310]

Love this south-east London content

[@hairyman1001]

You can't buy a ticket between Maidstone East (Ashford to Victoria line) to Maidstone Barracks (Medway line, Paddock Wood one end and strood the other). It comes up as 'No result for this search'. There's an alley way which runs along the side of the track and over the river Medway and takes less then 5 minutes to walk it depending on how fast you walk.

[@Inkyminkyzizwoz]

*than

[@tommo-vc8kn]

Martin Mayatt you can buy a ticket from Maidstone East to Maidstone West, walking to Barracks then one stop.

[@xizzy966x]

The Cornwall one is actually in Plymouth, Devon and the St. Budeaux ones are just 2 station right next to each other just separated by a bridge. I know that because I have used that station a lot and I live close by to it.

[@Nimmo1492]

St Budeaux is in Devon (Plymouth, to be exact)! I know, because I used to get the train every day from Saltash to Devonport to go to school, which passed through St Budeaux Victoria Road.

[@fuzzygenius]

I'm in the US, and the only example I can think of is in DC, where there is no listed price between the Farragut West and Farragut North stations. There are a ton of NYC subway stations close to each other, but all rides on that system, of any distance between any stations, cost one flat amount, so sadly you can't ask about stations they won't sell tickets between.

[@ianmoseley9910]

When the croslizpurple line opens will they still charge for Liverpool Street to Moorgate, even though they are either end of the new platform?

[@wiggyattheweekend]

Strangely you can get a ticket from Birmingham New Street to Birmingham Moor Street. Costs £2.70 I think it was and you walk from New street to Snowhill 15 minutes all up hill then train 2 minutes. To walk from New street to Moor street about 8 minutes down hill.

[@jacobiscool144]

wiggyattheweekend what about snow hill - moor street

[@PlanetoftheDeaf]

The funny thing is that if you ask for a ticket from New Street to Snow Hill it makes you walk to Moor Street then take the train to Snow Hill! It's determined to charge you a fare :-)

[@stephenreardon2698]

@MissRiaElaine I did that when the line opened. Probably the cheapest train ticket I ever bought

[@Mypurplerocket]

These are my local stations! I hadn’t even crossed my mind why they were so incredibly close!

[@jaksims]

Bicester village to bicester north - surprisingly costs £18 to travel between, despite only being around 15mins apart.. Also when I traveled to bicester, I came in at the north station as it was nearer where I needed to go, but on the return went from bicester village, and I was informed the ticket is valid from either station..

[@jackcpfc]

Bromley North and Bromley South? Its a 14 minute walk, but by train, it would mean a train from Bromley North to Grove Park. Grove Park to Orpington. Then Orpington to Bromley South. That would be 38 mins, £3.30 and 2 changes.

[@Sonnyblack100]

JackCPFC what about beck Junc to beck hill.

[@nicholasthorn1539]

It takes less than 14 minutes. I would say 10 minutes at the most

[@issyhamukwaya9009]

Also on Southeastern you can't buy a ticket between Bromley North and Bromley South.

[@xellanox]

shotton high and low levels, don't seem to be classed as separate stations for ticketing purposes even though they're a 2-minute walk apart.

[@jacobiscool144]

Iceixia it would automatically class u as shotton on the ticket tho so u could do a round trip

[@thetraincrazykid]

Other stations on our network that are fairly close are Maidstone East - Maidstone Barracks. Couple minutes of walking between them, no tickets available. Canterbury East and West, around a 10 - 15 minute walk, no tickets available as far as I’m concerned. Bromley South and North show as no tickets available also!

[@Thirzahliza]

The National Rail website won't let you buy a ticket for the eleven minute walk between Ash Vale and North Camp, but if you're that desperate to take the train there's also an option to spend 50 minutes and £6.40 to go one stop on to Ash and then back along the other line to North Camp.

[@ianbailey5864]

Strangely the website will sell you a ticket between Farnborough (Main) and Farnborough North going via Woking and Guildford taking 54 minutes costing £11.90 rather than the 17 minutes it says would take to walk

[@stuartneilsmith]

You can buy Ash Vale to Farnborough North routing via North Camp for £2.80 according to National Rail (but is omitted from brfares.com). There are also no valid fares from further up the line from Ash Vale to North Camp. (I wonder what the most distant station pair without a valid ticket is?)

[@LiamS94]

@@stuartneilsmith London Road and Guildford stations are also a 17min walk from each other and a fare is available, but they directly serve each other unlike the two Farnborough stations...

[@binowoo6268]

You can't get a ticket from Birmingham New Street to Birmingham Moor Street online, that one tells you to walk to Birmingham Snow Hill from New Street on trainline, you *may* be able to buy it physically but I would doubt it

[@barnstormer322]

Dorking to Dorking Deepdene - one runs North-South trains, the other East-West 😊

[@leetom5192]

Hong Kong also has some MTR stations that are close enough to be connected yet not considered the same station. Those stations have underground tunnels connecting them together.

[@stephenguk]

Tyndrum Lower and Tyndrum Upper, Helenburgh Central and Helensburgh Upper &c .

[@Grim_Beard]

I was wondering about the Tyndrums.

[@pavarottiaardvark3431]

@@Grim_Beard You can buy a ticket between the two, it takes one train-change. What's interesting is that Tyndrum only has a population of 167

[@AdamantUK2007]

Anyone know of any stations like this where one of the stations has a permit to travel machine? Even if it has a TVM, I imagine you could purchase a permit to travel as it's refusing to sell you a ticket? That way I can legally board and then pay either on-board or at the destination (which will be interesting how they deal with it as they can't actually sell me a ticket for the route)? Anyone know what the procedure would be for the staff when they can't issue a ticket?

[@anthonycopsey5572]

Warrington Central and Warrington Bank Quay is an awkward one. And it's about 20 minutes walk between them. I sometimes have to change there travelling from the south of the country into smaller stations in south Liverpool, and there's usually about 20 minutes between the trains.

[@oscar4292]

Burcough bridge to burscough junction in Lancashire same situation, burscough bridge is on the preston - ormskirk branch line and burscough junction is on the manchester to southport line. Although they used to be connected by 'the burscough curves' which closed in the 70's. Although I read something a while back about the reinstatement of them in the mid 2020's.

[@jameswhite8612]

You can't buy a ticket between upper tyndrum and lower tyndrum in Scotland just down the line from corrour. I believe you've been to those stations though

[@danners4302]

He's been to them all 😂

[@gordon1545]

You can, it's £5.80 single.

[@ianmcclavin]

Yes, they may have been to All the stations, but by my reckoning they didn't ride the line between Crianlarich and Upper Tyndrum!! Am I correct Geoff??

[@brendangarvin7787]

@@gordon1545 Not on the ScotRail app. It is, however two £2.90 single fares to and from Crianlarich so basically the same thing.

[@gordon1545]

@@brendangarvin7787 Yeah, strangely, you can buy it on the National Rail website as one single, but the Scotrail app doesn't allow it. Odd.

[@alsmall689]

Between Southend Central and Southend Victoria there is no fare available

[@GojiraX]

I was going to say that too

[@JesusJuenger]

Funny you mentioned Clock House + Kent House counting together -- actually if you buy a season ticket from Clock House it says on the ticket "Also valid from Beckenham Junction" (the next station along from Kent House on the Orpington line), but you *can* buy a ticket from Clock House to Beckenham Junction.

[@jurgensmit02]

There is an similar thing here in Leiden (Netherlands) with the busses. You have the busstation Leiden Central and you have the bus stop Leiden central west side. And if you try to buy an ticket online is says you can’t buy a ticket the stops are in walking distance of each other. You can buy an ticket in the bus but you pay €2,20 and the is dubbel the prijs that in costs to use an OV-Chipcard (our version of Oyster cards) to go a neighbouring village and back.

[@niiiice1]

If you went via Orpington and Lewisham, would it still charge £2.10 even though you had travelled via zone 6? How could the system know your route?!