You Do Not Own The Games You Bought | Castle Super Beast 294 Clip

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

The MINUTE steam goes out of business or gets shut down, literally millions of people are going to be working to crack those files away from the DRM. As long as you have the steam files and it's not multiplayer, you should be able to play those games for a long time

[@acceptablecasualty5319]

If Steam ever shuts down, you bet it'll be supplanted immediately by a Community Project that does the same thing. Steam has given so much to PC gaming that it or an entity like it will always exist as a cultural fixture.

[@kaijuultimax9407]

Also Steam's DRM is really easy to crack and is virtually unchanged from when Steam launched. The death of Steam will only remove access to games you don't have the storage to install.

[@iller3]

..the real hazard ahead for steam is Gabe's health and whoever gets the company after him possibly letting Shareholders buy it

[@sleepawoken]

Valve has been pretty open and blunt about the fact that, if the company ever goes under, they have a global killswitch for instantly disabling Steam DRM on every game on the platform. Basically, letting people download and preserve as much of their library as they can before the servers go offline. And you'd better believe that the day that that happens, it's going to shake the industry to it's core. Even then, more games than you'd think on Steam already don't have DRM, especially older games and indie games. As the other commenter said, the only real threat is a change in leadership that doesn't see the moral value in having that kind of dead man's switch.

[@nexter4202]

@@sleepawoken this is plain false, they've never said this, cause they can't legally do that. This false narrative pushed by redditors has no actual basis in fact.

[@ApexGale]

We once again point to the sign: "If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing

[@MrFox-ox2ze]

Yar har it is

[@Garl_Vinland]

I mean, they did this because of the pirates, so…

[@ApexGale]

@@Garl_Vinland they didn't do this because of the pirates lol, they just don't want you to own anything so they can take it away from you at any given point and make you pay for it again. you literally cannot play the older version of wc3 or dark souls for PC unless you either buy an old console and a physical copy of the old versions, or by pirating it.

[@MrFox-ox2ze]

@@Garl_Vinland punishing consumers for the actions of pirates only make stronger pirates

[@Dasaltwarrior]

​@MrFox-ox2ze Also, the majority of people who pirate stuff are typically people who would buy if they had the money on hand Meanwhile, to get the "complete" edition of AC Shadows, you need to fork up like 250$ usd

[@theotherjared9824]

Imagine the manager of a store breaks into your house, takes everything you purchased from that store, and promises to sue you if you try to get those items back through any method.

[@MrDanlancelot]

companies never follow the "you just purchased a license to access the game" to its logical conclusion. because if that's the arrangement that was entered into when I gave them money, then surely their side of that deal is an agreement to provide access to the game. if they now say "after X date you will no longer have access", then they're going back on the exact thing I paid them money for. this would be like a cinema selling me a ticket and then turning the screen off halfway through the movie and offering no refund or any way to see the rest of the movie

[@kaijuultimax9407]

That would require license agreements to be regulated but they're not and never will be since tech oligarchs control congress.

[@thatguyintheconments]

I'm not rooting for Ubisoft and I'm actively against "killing" games. I gotta say your analogy is terrible... you're comparing a game license to a movie ticket, Something that has a defined start and end time. If you're late, go to the restroom or sleep through the movie it's on you. The movie is still going to end at 6:30 and you still paid your 10$ even if you didn't watch a single second. It's the same energy as a homeless dude getting mad because McDonald's staff won't let him use the restroom even though he bought a small fry 3 hours ago. Seriously though if a game requires access to servers for more than 50% of the content, it should legally be forced to be F2P or subscription based. So games like the crew or 2k are physically banned from charging for a base game that's basically useless after 2 years.

[@MrDanlancelot]

​@@thatguyintheconments but in your analogy about the cinema, you are talk about being "late, go to the restroom or sleep through the movie". but that's not what's happening with these games; the cinema is kicking you out or revoking access. your examples are all the fault of the consumer. and yes, I feel comfortable comparing a game purchase to a movie ticket. in the same way I'd compare buying a DVD of a movie. when I buy a movie, I don't expect 20th Century Fox to be able to switch off a server and suddenly my DVD of Home Alone 2 stops working. game licenses are wrong to begin with (and that was the whole reason for my analogy; to point out the absurdity of "you're only paying for a license to access it"). I do agree with you about laws to make companies take actions that mean a game isn't useless 2 years after release based on the whims of a company. I would also push for a legal requirement to provide an 'offline' mode where possible (whether that be turning off any DRM or allowing local/peer-to-peer servers made by fans or whatever else)

[@thatguyintheconments]

@@MrDanlancelot i get what you're saying but shutting servers off for a game is the equivalent of the movie ending. You can't just sit in a movie theater forever, you're gonna get kicked out eventually... Some people extend this by camping in a lobby until their console shuts off or they lose connection. You can't expect the company to support servers after a "reasonable" amount of time has passed since the game was released.

[@MrDanlancelot]

@@thatguyintheconments where in my comment did I say companies are obligated to support servers until the heat death of the universe? I believe my point was "offline modes" and allowing players to maintain access after the company has left it behind and turned everything off. and i will say again, shutting off servers is not the movie ending. shutting off servers is the cinema employees turning off the screen or kicking you out. you paid for a thing and now the people who sold you the thing are stopping you from accessing the thing you bought. it has nothing to do with sitting in the theatre past the end time. I will use the DVD analogy; what is the "cinema end time" for a DVD I buy? how can you say that me playing my game past when the company loses interest is me refusing to leave the theatre? point me to the end date printed clearly on the video game case (or on the Steam store page or wherever) at point of sale and I'll happily accept that I bought a product that said it would end on a given date. but if they sold it to me the same way I buy DVDs and cars and clothes, then they don't get to decide when I lose access to it

[@ReiDuran]

REALLY surprised that they didn't mention Ross Scott's Stop Killing Games initiative.

[@4Wilko]

It was actually cited in the lawsuit and Ross did a video update talking about it as well.

[@shadowrobot7708]

They really should have it needs all the attention it can get.

[@SeruraRenge11]

The Crew is most infuriating by the fact that people found an actual offline mode in The Crew, but it's DEEP in several layers of DRM and they absolutely refuse to release it to the public.

[@GELTONZ]

Thiiiiiiiiiiiiis. I've never PLAYED The Crew but I knew there was some other kind of second part to this that made it a special case. It HAVING a single player that you're just NOT allowed to play is it.

[@Extra.Medium]

It warms my heart to hear that Ubisoft is struggling. People say they're going to stop buying from certain companies then sales don't meaningfully go down so often that it's nice to see people actually doing it for once.

[@RedStar_N7]

Because more often than not, those people are a vocal minority. A company can trudge along so far as they have satisfied casual players, but when those markets dry up, there is no war cry. No open declaration. They just lose interest and move on. That is the real nail in the coffin

[@TheItachikiller]

hilariously, one of their manuals said that their code was good until 2099, so they are uber effed

[@tubeminer1325]

I got Fallout New Vegas for free on the Epic Games store over a year ago, enjoyed the game so much that I bought it, at full price, on Steam just because I preferred the launcher.

[@platypuspracticus2]

3:55 and that's where I made a GoG account and started taking the platform seriously.

[@platypuspracticus2]

Also the GOG version of Dragon Age doesn't require the launcher or something?

[@SRN_RL]

Unfortunately GOG Galaxy downloading a game takes out my entire network and it's now been like two months since I sent in a support ticket with no response.

[@friendlyypyp1997]

​@@SRN_RLcant you just download the exe? Hell, its a better way to preserve the game.

[@SRN_RL]

@@friendlyypyp1997 It's split into like 100 different zip files that are each 2 gigs. I mean I could do it. But I do not want to. I would prefer to be able to use GoG but receiving one email asking for logs, providing them, and then getting totally ghosted are the biggest nonstarter for me. It's a shame.

[@lilwyvern4]

@@friendlyypyp1997 You CAN, but the installer is split into multiple parts for most games (and also slightly obscured). Cyberpunk is in like 30 parts of a few gigs each which you must download manually one at a time.

[@Archdeco]

Please mention the Stop Killing Games campaign!

[@krodmandoon3479]

It's not *all* bad news. "Fuck You, Namco!" A VALVe vs Tekken 8 Tale was great to hear.

[@add8402]

Just a quick clarification to the "If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing" crowd: You're right, its not theft they'll come after you for, it's Copyright Infringement. The redistribution of game files (ie. downloading, sending or moving game files by any digital means) creates "new" copies of a copyrighted work (the files). So they'll go after you for making illegal copies of those files as part of a copyright infringement suit. Also, shout-out to the related terrible precedent that prevents non-copy-limited digital libraries from existing (whenever you move a file on any computer, the move function is actually a cut/paste because of how storage functions. It's been successfully argued in US court that a cut/paste function is still copyright infringement because it makes a "new" copy of a work despite the total number of existing copies remaining the same. This basically makes digital distribution or storage of any copyrighted work an act of copyright infringement unless you have the express permission of the rights-holder.) To be fair, you'd be unlikely to actually be attacked with this argument however, since it stands on questionable logic at best.

[@PS1-Hagrid]

Every day our moral obligation to pirate stuff gets stronger.

[@RippahRooJizah]

I am not anti-piracy but I'm not really for trying to moraly justify piracy with righteous undertones. I'd rather just not give them my time than fall to FOMO.

[@hillbillypowpow]

If buying isn't owning then the other thing isn't that other thing

[@leithaziz2716]

@@RippahRooJizah I very much appreciate your humillity and honesty. In worst case scenarios, devs have actually stated that they would rather you pirate their game if you had so that they can get some revenue at least. However as I said, those are extremes.

[@RippahRooJizah]

@@leithaziz2716 Cases where a dev is okay with their games getting pirated is another case for me. That said, I'm uncertain how pirating a game would get them revenue unless they bought it at some point. Am I missing something?

[@LoneGh0ste]

@@RippahRooJizahcoward

[@blaiseoffury4866]

Please please please bring up Ross Scott’s stop killing games campaign

[@kaijuultimax9407]

I'm surprised they haven't because Pat and Paige have said before that they watch Game Dungeon so it's not like they're unaware of who Ross is.

[@Blagno4]

Please do not. He doesn't give a rat's ass about it succeeding and it's way too amateurish in its approach to be of any use.

[@blaiseoffury4866]

@ I don’t understand your doomer attitude towards the only thing that’s trying to help out this situation.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

@@blaiseoffury4866 you're not very bright, are ya?

[@DemonFireRain]

gaming is way too fucking expensive as a hobby to tell the consumer they don't actually own what they're spending hundreds to thousands of dollars on. There is not enough outrage over this.

[@Garl_Vinland]

It’s too expensive to create videogames unless we’re going back to the 8 bit era

[@DemonFireRain]

@@Garl_Vinland somehow the movie industry figured it out. I can buy a bluray of a new $400+ million dollar movie for $25 and that one bluray will work forever on a bluray player.

[@funaccount7665]

"the is not enough outrage over this" consoomer brain is to deeply ingrained at this point.

[@rikowolfin4984]

@@Garl_Vinland it is not actually that expensive as you claim to make good video games that literally millions of people will buy and enjoy, usually the most expensive parts of making games are extremely unneeded things like graphics that barely look any better than games 5 years ago and feature creep for things that might just get scraped. Given that most triple A games sell a majority of their games digitally that has cut down a lot on costs for creating and shipping physical copies while expanding their player bases, and add ontop of the fact no game being released recently has ever been feature complete and requires more money to buy things for the complete experience, video games have never been more profitable. The problem is that the people running things that feed you the bs line of "Videogames are too expensive to make" are the ones running off the idea that if you don't maintain massive amounts of profits with each release than you failed and are also not the developers who work on these games, they are the people trying to sell you the reason why you need to buy their game at 200+ dollars and not own it so they can kill the game and sell you the next product at 300+ dollars next time while improving nothing.

[@torinriley7569]

@@DemonFireRain that's in part thanks to the fact that movies all technically (on paper, wink wink) lose money, and therefore can be written off in taxes and also the people who worked on it can be stiffed from ever seeing royalties unless they negotiated the right sort of contract.

[@KikiMofo]

Woolie I gotta say, the lighting on your face with your setup has become so sharp between halves that its starting to look like you are trying to do a Vivec cosplay. I love it. A straight line of light and dark lighting right down the middle of your face.

[@Sweetestsadist]

My biggest wonder is "Why did it take this long for people to realize that digital isn't owning?" I figured that out during PS3 era. Anyone who's ever bought a game that was taken off the store later should have figured that out. And to add to that, "You can't drive your car" comment: A lot of people are unknowingly falling into that exact trap, as well.

[@ChildeofShade]

The Overton window shifted and people got lazy. I'm technically in this camp, as 95% game purchases are on steam nowadays, but it just became way too convenient to purchase a new game digitally and have it a part of your library forever. Now that consoles are out of style and people are heavily invested into digital libraries due to steam sales, people are starting to realize the money pit that is their library could disappear at the snap of a finger. The moment Gabe Newell dies is the moment that Valve really starts to go to shit, and I wouldn't be surprised if something like a subscription service is needed to keep games older than 10 years old. As with all things, backup the stuff your care about.

[@GELTONZ]

I figured that out with Zeebo Double Dragon which is now FINALLY emulated and VERY worth it. I'd SAY that was the first major loss from digital games but no...we have the Satellaview library and also I seem to recall the Atari 2600 having a digital download service and people celebrating when Save the Whales was found and rescued...I wonder what other 2600 games we lost...

[@Rathial]

Physical>>>>>>>>>Digital. Honestly the gaming industry phasing out physical sales so much is such a wild huge scam. They saved so much money on that conversion on sales distribution etc. Like I just sold my old gaming collection from when I was little and got about 5-6 grand. Mostly old pokemon games etc were over 100 bucks and a few others. But if that all was just digital titles then not only would the have not been supported/playable anymore, and I wouldn't have been able to resell my games decades later.

[@FelipePalha66]

You are aware they can still lock you up with a single patch right? This isnt 2003. Digital or physical, bc of online no game is ever safe

[@crowman9511]

Unfortunately physical games arent physical games. they are physical licenses you have to have in the console to access the game. lots of them dont even house the game

[@TrashFireChaos]

Ubisoft: "Actually, no. You don't own the food you just bought, give it back"

[@acceptablecasualty5319]

Worse. "Those nutrients in that food you bought? We are going to block your access." And then they hack off one of your fingers.

[@RippahRooJizah]

As far as the Crew goes, it was playable for a long while before it was taken away. So Ubisoft shouldn't go for the person, they should look for decade old pieces of crap, hair, skin, etc and take those away.

[@krazmaster2581]

Throw it back up now.

[@DominicRyanVinceCruz]

"Oh bet" Sticks finger in mouth and vomits it all over their suit.

[@mikekazz5353]

If they're saying that we're buying a license then it should be cheaper if I buy a physical copy are they gonna send someone to steal it back. I digital should be way cheaper than buy physical maybe the judge should audit them to see where exactly the company is hurting.

[@SeruraRenge11]

Ya Har matey, well if buyin means not ownin...

[@KeroKaminaX]

the good thing about Prince of Persia Lost Crown: On Console you can completely sidestep the stupid uplay Ubi bullshit so you don't need to worry about it

[@sirlenemodesto2665]

Ubisoft is so burnt ou of my mind that besides AssAssCreed I don't even remember what their full list of games is like.

[@kitestar]

Ass sass in pee

[@TheSaltyRice]

its funny for sure and Ubisoft sucks but its also funny that the people still use this quote still without knowing that it was ripped out of context.

[@AnalogFlame]

with GOG u still only own a license. the difference is that the installers dont have DRM. so even if u lose the license, they cant just erase the installer from ur drives

[@rajabuta]

Tbh, if I ever really owned a game. I wouldn't have gotten in trouble for copying and selling it 😂

[@spookhyskeleton]

Oh I'm early. Also you guys misspelled Ubisoft in the thumbnail

[@originalscreenname44]

Ubisoft hasn't earned the right to have their name spelled correctly. That's too much respect for that company.

[@DemonFireRain]

@@originalscreenname44 yeah more like poopisoft amirite?

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

@@originalscreenname44 yet you spelled it right. interesting that.

[@DioBrandonZeta]

I built a new PC last year and the Newegg game freebie was Assassin's Creed Mirage, I never even claimed it because they wanted me not only Uplay, but some website i'd never heard of either to claim the code. The game was FREE and I didn't take it. Shame too because that One Republic song they commissioned was a banger.

[@HoChiMints2007]

"CONNECTING TO HITMAN SERVERS...." Oh hello Peacock!

[@InwardSeaward]

I support games not coming to Steam, idk how Canadians feel about Monopolies but I like there being SOME things that the biggest guys can’t do if only for the good of other businesses.

[@bishopspechulure9821]

Then the other platforms need to improve their fucking services if they don't want steam to be a monopoly

[@TheDrCN]

If purchasing isn't ownership, then piracy isn't theft.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

show your work.

[@GameBooAdvancePlus]

The thing is that consoles also allowed you to connect to private servers. Demon Souls (original) has a private server i can connect to on my PS3 TO THIS DAY. Many games let you have an option to play it after support had ended. The Crew's is, apparently, so strict in it's code that it doesn't allow private servers whatsoever. No Servers, game doesn't even start, it's literally a dud product in every way shape and form.

[@mikeuniturtle3722]

The concern I have is that dvds had the same clause. So a lot of arguements have to be made very precise. Otherwise it may have an inverse effect, giving us less ground for ownership of our games.

[@4Wilko]

With all the crashing and fumbling they have been doing, they better get used to the idea of not owning their IPs. 11:33 - Gill colors Woolie: "It's Play-Doh colored."

[@NovaArk-oh2mj]

Pretty sure I do b/c I have them all stored in SD cards, memory cards, external hard drives 😏

[@ice_queen9]

if you use any specific engine or set of tools, absolutely you're going to have a hard time finding work at other places that don't use those specific tools. that's why it's important (if you're a programmer) to make sure you actually understand, in detail, what's going on under the hood in the tools you're using. and also have a solid background knowledge of computer science and c++, obviously.

[@jansenart0]

We can just stop playing Steam single player games that have a launcher. That is an option; LOTS of indie games that don't do that.

[@Khotgor]

Wild that they don't even mention Stop Killing Games during this video. Especially since it is mentioned in Article 35 of the lawsuit.

[@Serahpin]

But I have an entire bookshelf full of games that I own.

[@thepickles8833]

theyre YOURS and no company can reach through the internet and tamper with them.

[@doctordice2doctordice210]

Honestly I don’t know why we don’t take it a step farther, literally let me pay you for the game’s code lol

[@sauzarouge7450]

Yo prince of persia lost crown came out this year. January 18 2024. Get your facts straight pat.

[@SinnerBeta]

I didn't know Woolie played cyberpunk, wonder if he'll ever stream Reggie playing it.

[@Intrepid151]

This is why I'm trying to buy as many old physical copies of games as I can! When Rockstar got rid of the digital version of the original GTA3, VC, and SA and made ONLY the "Definitive" versions available, I finally realized that I need to get all the original physical copies! The same can be said with movies. Preserve old physical media, guys!

[@RippahRooJizah]

Waiting for the person to go "No, physical sucks, digital all the way". Because there's always that guy around.

[@leithaziz2716]

@@RippahRooJizah Funnily enough, I used to consider the positive aspect in terms of resource (from an enviromentalist aspect). Allthough I understand nowadays that companies don't really care about that aspect and just abuse the convenience of digital to take away your access to said product.

[@RippahRooJizah]

@@leithaziz2716 For me, it's not a matter of "Physical or digital", I do both. While I have considered the environmental aspect of fewer physical copies around as well... honestly, both physical and digital have their pros and cons in which I wouldn't do either one fully.

[@Intrepid151]

In terms of the environment, I don't really worry about it when it comes to physical media. Hypothetically, if all discs, cartridges, and video tapes were to be removed, it would make a negligible impact on the health of the environment because of plastics from all other sources. To me, the benefits of keeping and preserving physical pieces of media far outweigh the negatives. I don't want a corporation or government to have the power to delete games, movies, or books they no longer want us to have access to for whatever reason.

[@FelipePalha66]

Btw they can still lock you out of a game with a single patch thanks to online. It isn't matter of how you get your game but the fact companies are scummy

[@zedc6072]

I gotta say though as good as a platform Steam is, it really baffles me how Valve never gotten nearly as much flak about how Steam also doesn't let you own your games and is more or less the reason Ubisoft and a ton of other companies can do that. Patient zero for DRM games and a ton of other bad practicies (remember lootboxes?)

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

still waiting for the pop remake!

[@cybergeek11235]

Oh, PLAY-DOH colored. Thought he said "Plato" for a second, was very confused.

[@lilwyvern4]

I'm not expecting anything from that lawsuit. Someone pointed out that the brief may be AI written, and even if it isn't, there's a great deal of highly unprofessional language, such as sarcastically referring to customers as "plebeians".

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

plebian is a completely normal word. you're probably unaware of it's real meaning.

[@LinkZ10]

I've never been able to keep Ubisoft logged in since AC3

[@KeroKaminaX]

Guys seriously PLEASE PLAY PRINCE OF PERSIA LOST CROWN. CONSOLE VERSION DOESN’t NEED TO DEAL WITH UBISOFT PLAY

[@mikaelamonsterland]

i have like hundreds of games epic gave out for free and I've literally only turned on 2 of them ever bc some friends asked me to play among us one time and i thought dnf duel might be fun to try out but couldn't afford it on steam

[@gobogoo2329]

forget "if ac shadows doesnt do well the company's dead" i assumed ubi was dead the moment star wars outlaws didnt break even on their budget in the first month because how tf do you make an open world star wars game and NOT make a profit lmao

[@SuperfieldCrUn]

Star Wars is in the absolute shitter now, too, so it wasn't an incredible achievement that it flopped so bad. An achievement to be sure, but not one for the ages.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

@@SuperfieldCrUn Star Wars is doing fine. not GREAT, maybe not even well, but fine. get off the internet for a while.

[@werewolf873]

If i buy something, i should have access to that thing. If you revoke my access, then at the very least i should have my money refunded.

[@arcturus1231]

GoG is the best for this exact reason

[@Lanewreck]

240? You mean 295 or 296?

[@phatomsoul]

Pso named drop in 2024 lets gooo

[@liu3chan]

So Assassin's Creed Shadows will be their Final Fantasy? That's sad.

[@xxtz2007xx]

This isn't just a Ubisoft thing, though. This applies to every digital storefront that isn't GOG.

[@BenLubar]

GOG can't legally claim that you own the games you buy from them because you don't own them either. To put it another way, if you bought a Star Wars DVD, you wouldn't expect Disney to be giving up their rights to the franchise or co-owning it with you. That's what ownership legally refers to. A license to play a game (and possibly also some plastic) is all you have ever been purchasing. The reason Ubisoft shutting down a game they advertised as single-player but which was actually an MMO is shitty is completely unrelated to whether you own a game or not.

[@Ketsuekisan]

@@BenLubar "A license to play a game (and possibly also some plastic) is all you have ever been purchasing." So then why have movie, or even music, companies never tried to send goons to peoples' houses and "revoke those licenses" by physical repossessing your disc, since that's apparently the same thing? Were they just too stupid to think of it before, or is it that that is considered "owning" the thing, and therefore illegal for them to come take what you purchased with your own money?

[@BenLubar]

@@Ketsuekisan because that's not remotely like how a license works in any context?

[@TacticalReaper56]

"MUSSSSSTARRRRRRRD"

[@WTFisTingispingis]

I'm never buying another ubisoft game so long as the company lives. I'm pretty sure it wont be long now.

[@hcaelBBleach]

Mannnnnn Ive always wanted to love in the world of Cyberpunk.

[@leithaziz2716]

For anyone who's curious on what to look for incase you want to have full ownership of the product you buy, I've heard very good things about GOG's website. There's even a large push to make older 2000s game to run much more stable on current computers.

[@kaijuultimax9407]

Correct, with GoG you download an installer, not the game. Meaning you can backup that installer and be able to install the game whenever you want.

[@Dragonsmana]

GOG and Itchio and the occasional direct download from the developer are the only way I buy PC games. My 90s PC CDs still work the same as when I bought them, and that is how I buy PC games in a digital environment.

[@kakoytazabar]

Yet again they forgot about EGS.

[@originalscreenname44]

No they didn't. That's what the whole "Kingdom Hearts on PC for the first time" bit was about.

[@ansurarks]

Cyberpunk has a launcher?

[@fien111]

Ross Scott is not a man to be trifled with, it seems.

[@HelFrostKara]

Look, having marketplace competition on PC is good BUT if ye launch a game on Steam, it shouldn't then open another launcher/storefront you've gotta connect to. Just stop please. Also I agree with Uplay or whatev being the worst bc it's the only one that would just close games randomnly (no saving/boot to menu, just close the whole app) bc it THOUGHT I had disconnected from the internet. I hadn't, but even so it was stuff that should have been offline single player stuff....

[@Alferios-]

I don't even play ubi games i have on steam because of uplay or whatever it's called now.

[@thepickles8833]

Please acknowledge Ross Scott, you guys.... c'mon..... he's the one who started this global movement against this and is actually making waves about it.

[@Biodeamon]

we are definitely going to live in a world without this bullshit. As indie developers have shown if there is a demand for something not being shitty, they will flock to that instead just for a moral victory. As a wise man once said "evil feeds upon itself". What we are seeing is just a repeat of the cycle of the first video game crash where companies become too greedy and implode on themselves like E.T.

[@Lampoluke]

Comcord broke a record, Ubi has published flops for more thana year. We are starting to see it happen, and I am looking forward to it

[@JasoTheRed48F2]

May the Great Satan of Ubisoft fall, inshallah 🙏

[@pickledparsleyparty]

We can still own music, though. The industry that got pwned the most by p2p and digital distribution is hilariously the last bastion of ownership in art. I will show my collection to my grandkids and then will learn the way of blegh.

[@Redahoge10]

Again?

[@jonsmith5245]

Morals and missing what video games used to be aside I don't have a particular problem with the concept of selling me a license however there must be consumer protection laws in place. Before purchase a message should pop up explaining this in as few words as possible. Because the real issue is the sneakiness of it all. "WARNING: you are not purchasing a video but a license to play. The developer / publisher reserves the right to shut down the games servers rendering the game unplayable to you"

[@RandgrisAlmark]

Ubi, fighting their customers to the bitter end.

[@CallumDark]

I'll be real, the roguelike PoP game I was put off how it looked like a corporate design thing with the weird purple looking prince. Now it's a real looking character I'm actually gonna get it

[@kingofbel6499]

I just wanna know how Steam will manage this because I have way too many games there and they better not take them away from me.

[@1wayroad935]

Morally, it's reprehensible. Realistically, this doesn't really change anything as far as gaming is concerned. Not with the number of people who buy games. We haven't owned any of the games in our Steam library for over a decade now. Has it actually mattered?

[@RippahRooJizah]

Considering people may half unironically use the term "Lord GabeN", no, it doesn't really matter for the most part.

[@xxtz2007xx]

Two decades, since Steam launched with Half-Life 2 in 2004

[@rajabuta]

Let's be honest. If I ever owned anything since playstation. I woulda mass produced copies and sell them

[@erikferal]

imagine halfway through a game of chess with a set YOU own, the King of England (or Garry Kasparov) runs in and flips the table, because you didn't pay the extra $10/month. that's basically what AAA studios have become.

[@chero666]

I tried to play the POP demo on Switch but as soon as I saw Uplay I uninstalled

[@Taradoxxi]

YAR HAR FIDDLE DE DEE

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

dont be cute.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Like.

[@TurockX3]

Im of the belief that all games source code should be legally forced to be released to the public 10 years after initial release along with server codes so people can host their own servers and keep the game alive.

[@TGIDante]

Gamers will have to speak with their wallets on a unified level to make this business practice stop. Make studios & publisher hurt for money to the point they have to create only physical media that you fully own.

[@ice_queen9]

sue Take 2 for not letting you access the main single player mode in their basketball games after 2 years. that's the worst

[@son0fgrim]

never Buy ubisoft games.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

i will if i like it.

[@blackmagemasher4031]

I feel like the only idiot who reads those ToS and hate when companies act like the villian and follow thru

[@originalscreenname44]

Considering the only way I'll play an Ubisoft game is for zero dollars, it's good to have permission to do so.

[@Roronoa2zoro]

Praying for Ubisoft to keep releasing boring-looking games I have zero interest in playing so it keeps being easy to not give them any money.

[@SirSqueakStir]

the people who are sue Ubisoft own the dices of "the craw" and can't even play off them. they own the cd dices of the game and no one can get that across.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

uh, wanna try those sentences again?

[@SirSqueakStir]

@@miguelnewmexico8641 basicly they own copies of the game and they don't work anymore. that is what happen to the people of that story. that small fact gets left behind like hell any time someone talks about them suing Ubisoft.

[@JFresh9]

That "gamers should get use to not owning games" made me not get the new Prince of Persia game because screw Ubislop

[@Dragonsmana]

I also appreciate that Ubisoft is the one being hit by this. Remember, anyone who ever tells you "Your disc is meaningless, all games require internet anyway." or any variation thereof, is always been full of crap and is weirdly corporate bootlicking the phrase about not owning your games for absolutely no gain. There are exceptions, like for example *most* recent Ubisoft titles, but it is, and should hopefully continue to be not the standard practice. As long as people keep making their voices heard on it.

[@SeruraRenge11]

For some reason, I don't know why, but videogames are a medium where people will defend the companies when it isn't the case for others. pirate music BASED KEEP DOING IT pirate shows/movies BASED KEEP DOING IT pirate anime BASED KEEP DOING IT pirate comics BASED KEEP DOING IT pirate books BASED KEEP DOING IT pirate video games NOOOOOOOOOO NOT MY HECKEN CORPORATION YOU CAN'T DO THIS IT'S WRONG YOU'RE POOR YOU HAVE TO BUY IT BUY IT BUY IT NOW, THAT'S IT YOU FORCED MY HAND *reports site to Nintendo* HA NOW YOU CAN'T STEAL ANY MORE

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

@@SeruraRenge11thank god people had already saved everything from a certain site before that

[@Biodeamon]

does this mean in the future there will be repo men who will break into your house and steal your xbox? like "oh you bought a licence to our game, not actually a copy of our game". THEN SHOW THE FUCKING RECEIPT UBISOFT! I AIN'T SEEIN NO LEGAL AGREEMENT DOCUMENT ANYWHERE!

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

you need to stop watching so many movies.

[@Rathial]

I despise all those gaming corp shit launchers only ones I have installed rn are steam which is goated, bnet which is tolerable, and riot client which is barely tolerable

[@satellitecannon4717]

Every day when we get crap like this just makes the inevitable triple A gaming crash looks all the more better.

[@Optix149]

I only use Steam and I refuse to play any game through it that causes me to open a separate application or company launcher. It is far too annoying and there are plenty of other games I can rather spend my time with

[@WeaponOfMyDestructio]

Man can't wait for all the griftubers coming out of the mud when shadow fails.

[@Jay-gi6oh]

The only grifting with that game I've seen has come from dirt bags like Mighty Keef and Grummz.