PRO NUKEM SHOVELWARE SHOWDOWN

[@dogbusonline]

Fun story: I was 14 when two of my Duke levels were picked up by 'Duke Assault'. They were trash, but I was blown away and assumed I was now a game designer. The clever thing they did was write and offer to sell as many copies as we wanted to give out to friends and families. My Dad was so proud he bought 10 and passed them out. Honestly, I respect the hustle. Good little business (make money on proud parents) if you can wing it.

[@Slimurgical]

Well, you're a level designer for just making levels, official or not, doesn't make a difference.

[@dogbusonline]

@@Slimurgical Well, thank you. I'm putting that on my CV now.

[@shrinocri]

they've had 1500 maps so some had to be trash

[@computerpastiche]

that's really cool of your dad ha

[@jdbarker32]

Do you remember which levels they were? I'm curious.

[@DaedalusRaistlin]

On Bonzai the thing that killed you was most likely the fact that the sectors are not the same shape. They put a lot of warnings in the docs about making sure the above sector is the same size and shape as the below sector, and this death is what happens when that's not followed. The game is trying to teleport you to a corresponding area underwater when you crouch, but there is none because the sector above is a different shape than the one below. I suspect it gave you the previous death screen because there was nothing to render at the location you ended up, and thus whatever was still in the death screen buffer is shown, plus the "float upside down to the surface" death effect spinning the view around.

[@liebkraft9950]

i actually think they used the wrong sector id and it teleported into a different room altogether.

[@DaedalusRaistlin]

@@liebkraft9950 Hard to tell from the footage, though it looks to me that Civvie, after going above water, moves left towards what would be a wall underwater, and tries to go back down. They don't show going into the water, but I suspect there are places you can go underwater without issue elsewhere, but having gone above the water and over to the left, trying to go back down places you inside the wall that was to the left underwater.

[@cassiopeia36]

I think what Civvie was referring to was the fact it teleported to a still version of another room where he died before. That was weird.

[@DaedalusRaistlin]

@@cassiopeia36 But it can't teleport him to the place he died in the previous level, which is why I think Civvie was so confused. But it's not, it's what was left in the death screen buffer. You might notice that when you die the screen is much lower resolution, and sometimes spins around. I don't think he got teleported to the previous level somehow, that wouldn't be possible, but Duke and Doom both have that really weird rendering when you're not in a valid sector where sometimes nothing is drawn and all you can see is the previous frames and a whole mess on the screen - nothing was rendered to overwrite them. That's what I think happened here too, he was placed outside of a sector and the game wasn't able to render anything, so it just showed what was in that buffer from the last level.

[@GenericHero888]

Came here to post this, I made this mistake when making a duke3d map ages ago. The screen effect is usually known as a hall of mirrors

[@MarphitimusBlackimus]

The final map of Plug 'N' Pray, "Ministry of Fear", is of course a reference to Ministry of Sound, the nightclub in London, and the final Battlelord-like boss "CyberKeef" is a reference to the late Keith Flint, lead singer of The Prodigy, naturally identifiable in the game in CyberKeef's visual appearance by the familiar two-point Firestarter hairdo (but _not_ by the large clock he wears around his neck seen at 30:46, which I'm sure you're already aware is actually instead a reference to Flavor Flav).

[@redead-ita]

Wait, THAT WAS A FUCKING PRODIGY REFERENCE?

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

RIP Keith Flint

[@alexeyeliseev6322]

Hi Marph, you're like an elder keeper of knowledge with these old games

[@GoodOleDFT]

Damn. If it wasn't for a Civvie video on shoddy Duke "releases" I would have not known for a good while that Keith Flint is no longer alive.

[@gryzew]

@@GoodOleDFT I was very sad when the news broke that Keith Flint took his own life. Watching this I can only hope he lived his life without knowing that this thing existed.

[@MikeStavola]

Many years ago, I made a lot of Duke 3D levels. Custom textures and sounds, too. Put em on my geocities, got a few thousand downloads. I was really proud of myself for like 20 minutes, and forgot all about it. Then, around 2004 or 5, I checked out a small computer store near me that was going out of business, and they were selling "junk games" on floppy for $.05 a piece. They were mostly Duke 3D and Doom levels, and really bad shareware titles. So I bought all of them. First disk I pop in is just one of my D3D levels (it was supposed to be a cold war stealth level with spy textures and russian speech bits) without the textures or sounds, and the person who tried repackaging it for sale tried changing the level around so it would fit on the floppy. It played so weird. You now started with the rpg so you could clear out the laser tripwire hallway without trying to get through it. I also figured out how to make the lasers invisible unless you used night vision goggles, which... the user.con file wasn't in there, so that didn't work. It took me a week of spare time to get that hallway just right, too. I couldn't tell if I was offended over having a good level ruined, or proud that someone liked it enough to try and sell it.

[@JeremyForTheWin]

Post a link you coward. ❤

[@quarreneverett4767]

Awesome

[@tartrazine5]

Is the level still available?

[@ehhorve857]

huh. if as many of these as i think there would be had custom code as well, that would explain a lot of the problems.

[@imfatkid420]

At the end there, my brain just thought of a the dragon ball z parody when vegeta is like, I don't know what this feeling is pride in someone else or unbridled rage

[@CarelessFoolFallsFlat]

I don't know how, but I have this feeling that one day, Civvie's gonna bring up the Moon Sewer Count again and he'll be overjoyed about it.

[@bahamutbbob]

And I'm sure Katie will complain about it then, too. It'll be glorious!

[@mentfib1906]

Is E1M7 a sewer level? It’s on a moon…

[@lionocyborg6030]

@@CarelessFoolFallsFlat Marathon Redux and Marathon Eternal are good places to start as they have sewer levels inside what used to be a moon.

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

@@CarelessFoolFallsFlat Civvie 11's Moon Sewer Adventure would sell tbh

[@WolfyFancyLads]

To be fair to DNF, it's actually no longer the biggest failure in gaming history. In this year alone, we've seen three games with production costs over 100million and with less than 1% of that made back. Duke, circa August 2024, made about 15% of its cost back, and I think it was 10million? 15 maybe. Point is, DNF can rest easy. It'll always be a disaster, but now it's not the king of disaster so can fade into obscurity at long last.

[@JJNNZone]

Concord needs to be studied

[@josephlikely3849]

Pro Concord when Civvie?

[@ozymandiasramesses1773]

​@JJNNZone Now Sony is buying FromSoftware. God save us.

[@Noisetank007]

i'd argue its still the biggest, just because of the massive letdown it was to fans who had been waiting for years

[@biermacht1664]

Who were the other two games beside Concord?

[@csmadisun]

Worth mentioning these map collections were almost NEVER approved of by the original developers/publishers. For some bizarre reason, Duke 3D was one of the exceptions, which may have been an ominous bit of foreshadowing towards the direction of the franchise going forward. Fun fact: The Kill-A-Ton collection was a massive bundle of the first three Duke Nukem games, a strategy guide, bonus goodies like screensavers and several WizardWorks add-ons like Duke It Out in DC and Duke Xtreme, as well as Duke!Zone 2.

[@MalkavianC]

Oh yeah I always assumed this was just Wild West what even is copyright or licensing stuff

[@youdontneedtoseehisidentif4939]

When Bungie released their official level editing tools (with _Marathon Infinity_ ), it was explicitly stated in the license that you couldn’t sell levels you created - possibly to avoid these kinds of “quality” compilations…

[@csmadisun]

Smart. Very smart.

[@ayyyyph2797]

​@@MalkavianCyeah i always wondered if these things are technically legal or even ethnically sound? Guess we won't know for sure since nowadays since only occasionally do new games come with community content tools

[@1337Shockwav3]

Don't forget the t-shirt ... a friend of mine had that when we were kids and while we never cared about the kill-a-ton levels, that shirt was the shit.

[@Sock66]

Games are great and all but I'm here for the extended Civvie universe lore

[@dankyjoker]

Cancer Mouse doesn't get enough screen time.

[@starkillermarex]

To quote Civvie "the lore will never make sense, it's made to not make sense"

[@Sock66]

​@@starkillermarexthat's just what Katie wants you to believe!

[@JohnnyBurnes]

He should do a Patreon goal to make a movie that he'll never fulfill. 👍

[@pauloricardo-wn6ps]

@@starkillermarex actually fell for the "the lore doesn't make sense" meme

[@seanl7503]

I think it's kinda wholesome that you can read the old text files of the folks who made these levels. I wonder what they're up to now.

[@petrspetsnaz630]

I've read everything they wrote in Master levels for DOOM II. Sometimes they have neat story and sometimes you remember the author and say "not this dude again")

[@AlphaEnt2]

Not exactly the same, but sometimes the tracker music era artists renamed the samples they used in a way to create a mini read-me

[@chris92945]

This is classic Civvie right here: Digging down into the shit-filled, deeply burried septic tank of 90's shovelware garbage that may still haunt the people who got them as a birthday present.

[@TheXell]

I consider these videos Civvie doing his job as The-One-That-Janks in order to safeguard the integrity of reality.

[@007kingifrit]

i duno at 4 i realy liked duke zone. so many levels! and fond memories of some of them

[@parallax8207]

I still do this to this day, but nobody knows me

[@dirtfriend]

civvie is at his best when he's suffering a little bit. as a treat for the viewers.

[@Malrottian]

"An era that will never happen again" . . . NO ONE introduce Civvie to asset flips. The man has suffered enough.

[@Chozo_Ghost]

To be fair, he's already played through a few of those in some past Christmas videos, like X-mas Zombie Rampage :P

[@robertlee2092]

The proper time to cover those was 2022 when they were all the exact same Unity arena shooter tutorial with NFTs stapled to them

[@ArnieMcStranglehold]

Asset flips aren't the same thing. They're not taking an already fully functional game and just making bad levels and possibly bad additional content, they're taking pre-made assets, often barely funtional in the first place, and making entirely bad base games with them. They're **worse**, honestly. Most never had a good starting point to decline from, they started bad and got worse.

[@KingLich451]

@@Chozo_Ghost i think his memories about them are repressed

[@RadikAlice]

Introduce him implies he wouldn't know about them already, which is a silly thought

[@jonbourgoin182]

9:57 that one enemy was the kid designer's mom. Or sister. Or dad. Definitely an immediate family member.

[@blocking94]

One thing I suspect is the case is that most if not all of the creators of these custom maps weren't asked for permission for them to be included in these map bundles. Most of these teenage creators are now probably close to 40 years old with jobs who don't know their rubbish maps they made as a silly teenager were sold to folks in America lol.

[@VandalDecaProductions]

Can confirm. I made my first Doom map at age 14. It was crap. Later on, I bought the first D!Zone disc and found my level on it, among others. So I…paid for my own map I guess. Of course the publisher never asked me or anyone else. They just scraped the WashU FTP archive where we all uploaded our Doom junk and burned it onto a disc. In contrast, Apogee actually reached out to Wolfenstein 3D mapmakers earlier in the 1990s and paid them for including their maps in the Wolf Super Upgrades pack. I had a set of 60 of my levels in that pack.

[@Worse_Is_To_Come]

@@VandalDecaProductions How much did this earn you back then?

[@JeffreyPiatt]

​@@VandalDecaProductionsApogee was the original kickstarter

[@BladeTwinSwords]

I cannot deny that the 5000-in-1 shovelware/shareware CDs were how I found some of my favorite games of all time.

[@insoporous9978]

I got a shareware disc in a thrift store for $2 when I was young. Wolfenstien, Doom, Commander Keen, Duke Nukem 1 and 2, Bio Menace, the list goes on, there were ~300 games on there and a decent amount of good ones. All on DOS baybeee. I'd only heard of Doom at that point, but got introduced to a ton of classics.

[@InternetHydra]

I’m still hunting down full releases of games I randomly remember playing demos/sharewares of to this day.

[@doomhmmr40k]

Thise share ware compilations always remind me of nitemare 3d. Around '04 - '05 I got a complete copy from the dev himself off of his website. Came with a hint guide I have since lost. Maybe I should try and beat that game one of these days.

[@ShadowOfTheBand]

... and how young me discovered Operation Bodycount. Since I wasn't allowed to play violent video games at the time, it was cool just to be able to shoot things, and I didn't find out until later that all the jank actually wasn't supposed to be that way in shooters.

[@yusukeelric]

Thats how i discovered some too Twinsen City of the Lost Children Dungeon Keeper Alone in the dark Lord of the rings (long before the movies, strictly related to the books) Battle Chess Paganitzu Commander Keel Pharaohs tomb Secret Agent Metal Fatigue Wilkanoid Duke nukUm Out of this world And thats not mentioning the ones in windows CDs or Blood 2 CD (honestly the best part about blood 2 its that it came WITH REALLY FUN DEMOS) Windows 95 CD had age of empires, Close Combat, Magic Schoolbus, 3dmovie maker, Urban assault, Motocross and Monster Truck madness and HELLBENDER it was the best demo disk i ever seen. Blood 2 had Shogo, Claw and Get medieval demos... Claw and Get medieval ROCKED , I got most of these games on GOG. The ones available atleast, Claw unfortunately is still not.

[@reidhanson4755]

Hey Civvie, thanks for this. I was born in 94 and my dad was a HUGE Duke Nukem fan. He passed years ago and watching this made me smile knowing my dad likely bought one of these discs and spent hours playing and searching for a decent level.

[@Zogger568]

The notes left by the level creators are like the graffiti at Pompeii. Historically significant and showing how little humanity has changed.

[@EddieSpaghetti69]

"We two dear men, friends forever, were here. If you want to know our names, they are Gaius and Aulus."

[@ReepEnTeer]

Can't wait for Pro Maximum Doom next.

[@atifarshad7624]

Lol Civvie would die before he gets through all of the maps.

[@Psykomancer]

Somebody should ask Civvie to play TNT

[@magustrigger9195]

What about pro lapse doom?

[@yutavergil]

@@Psykomancer he has already played TNT, it's on the Shorts tab

[@chrisallen9638]

​@@yutavergilsomeone even made a compilation so it almost plays like a normal pro-doom video.

[@LordOfCrabz]

Pro Painkiller on the horizon!? Glad to see more Duke content! Don't let Randy keep the Duke locked away as a negotiation tool.

[@cassiopeia36]

I recall him saying in an earlier video Painkiller is just to boring to make a video of. But then again he did review TNT, so fingers crossed I guess.

[@LordOfCrabz]

And Serious Sam xD ​@@cassiopeia36

[@flooku987]

Y'know, when the mood strikes him

[@kurtis2221]

22:13 - This happened because the underwater area doesn't match the upper area and you got teleported into the void, maybe it couldn't draw any frames there, you can break the water mechanic in even more ways, like forgetting to set the upper part to water and you'll be trapped 22:34 - It happens because that wall is set to bottom orientation

[@Chozo_Ghost]

So, the first part of that "water death" part has been answered... I'm still curious as to why it showed a death screen from an entirely different level. Build had some of the best games ever made on it, but my god is that entire engine held together with bailing wire, duct tape, and bubblegum lol

[@kurtis2221]

@@Chozo_Ghost Maybe the game caches death screens in a different place and it couldn't draw a new frame because of the void.

[@bouncingbluesoul5270]

Nerd

[@helmetfire5973]

To the top with this comment please 🙏

[@Bart_Fuzz]

Oh hello, kurtis :)

[@CaptainRasmot]

I think the best part of this vid, is all of the people who either have made a Duke 3D map or know what is going on behind the scenes speaking up.

[@varulfic]

Hey, I remember Betaone. I have fond memories of that one. It's absolutely huge - if you open it in the editor, you'll see that it uses almost all the available space you could use in a level. I thought it was pretty rad when I played it. Very open, lots to explore, most of the areas were distinct... maybe it doesn't hold up, but I liked it.

[@Tyrranis]

This video reminds me of the Duke Nukem 3D mod Alien Armageddon, as it has what could be called a Roguelike mode which randomly strings together a series of maps to create a basic campaign, often maps made by the community. The main difference being that the mod team actually curate the maps they add to the mod, and while their QA isn't 100% infallible (I found a bug in one of the user maps that crashed the game when used in the roguelike mode, I brought it up on the mods' Discord server and they eventually patched it), the maps are well-made and rather fun to play. The mod also does something rather cool in that it makes Duke It Out in DC actually fun to play, with adjustments to the maps and enemies to add interesting combat encounters.

[@CZpersi]

I love reading through this comment section and see the responses of all the 1990s kids, whose levels were used in this compilation. As somebody, who also played a lot with the Build editor (although never uploaded anything), I feel strong connection to all these creators. None of these levels should be taken too seriously. We just used to screw around with the cool toys we had. There were also very little resources, so we had to learn how to use the map editor by trial and error. To this day, for example, I never figured, how to create the exploding walls or functional trains. Never worked for me. But, boy, was I proud on the things that I managed to get working.

[@Big_Gulps_Huh]

I was 13 when I tried to learn the Build Editor. The UI was so terrible that I just could not figure out a damn thing, even with the accompanying manual from Ken Silverman. Had to give up on that entirely, even though I had an entire series of maps/concepts sketched out on grid paper. I wonder sometimes how things would've gone if only the interface was a bit more user-friendly.

[@adam1984pl]

I learnd a little Build editor by modifying the first level of Shadow warrior

[@franciscobrisolladeoliveir9596]

I forgot how many shovelware map packs these older shooters had and most of them were just user maps that you could've downloaded for free on the 35kbps internet days

[@shuboy05]

If I recall Warcraft and Starcraft also got crappy map packs. Even strategy games got them.

[@MaxUltimata]

The way the underwater system works is exactly as you described, being two different rooms that you are teleporting between, and then the engine going "Okay, this is now under/above water" during the transition and changing the game rules to create that immersion (the blue filter, being able to swim up/down, oxygen, etc). However, the most important thing when creating these underwater zones is that the transition floor between the two sectors *MUST* be the exact same dimensions or else it will instantly kill you if you try to cross it. I have Prima's Build Engine Creation guide book and it lists this exact problem. The last death screen is because you have teleported into Null Space because the game doesn't know where to put you, and the game is loading what it last rendered in that area since it can't render "nothing" (pure black is not "nothing"; this is also what leads to the "Hall of Mirrors" effect that you see in badly textured games from this era) Side note: When you fell through the battleship wall into an abyss during the Shadow Warrior video, that's because that wall and the ocean wall were sharing a vertex, causing you to clip through to the other side, and because you transitioned into an underwater area without first going through the conventional "teleportation" transition, the associated code marking the ocean as an underwater area didn't load, making the game apply above water rules and causing you to fall to your death. That wacky Build Engine.

[@JeffreyPiatt]

Apogee and ID Software didn't really have quality control departments just a army of vollenteer beta testers and they missed so many bugs.

[@gabrielpeery]

Civvie , I hope this finds you well. I just want to say that without fail your uploads make my, otherwise dreary day, better. Thank you.

[@ZykovEddy]

7:51 Dukeprox is actually a map that was converted from a Doom WAD, so it's no surprising that it feels like a typical Doom level.

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

"My name is duke nukum, I'm a nuclear shark Ted Turner got high once, wrote this in the park" - Captain Planet and the Planeteers (probably)

[@cassiopeia36]

So much shovelware. Even goddamn Sierra made a shovelware pack for Duke3D back then (which I almost rented thinking it was Duke Nukem: Total Meltdown - instead of just 'Total Meltdown'; but thanks to some bizarre reason, the video store never let us rent it even though it was available. Dodged a bullet there.). Seeing all this stuff makes you appreciate how far we come when it comes to fan Duke Nukem content. We moved from the likes of Duke!Zone to stuff like Shaky Grounds, Alien Armageddon and Blast Radius. One could never imagine that back in 1996. Shame Civvie skipped Aqua 2, the best level of Duke!Zone (though it's easy to find online if you're curious)

[@venomsnekko]

"This episode requires you to play Duke 3D like its Blood." That is... certainly a sentence.

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

"I... bazinga again!"

[@UnderTheSkin13]

Between Halloween and Christmas there's always the wildcard. Keep it up Civs, you'll earn your freedom soon enough.

[@Dark_Jaguar]

3DRealms aren't the only ones guilty of stealing a bunch of fan made maps and selling them back to the public. Meet Maximum Doom. Don't know about it? Well back when "Master Levels for Doom II" came out, the original idea behind that game was to compete with Wizard Works "stealing their lunch" with all those giant map collections, but they were going to curate some fan made maps and only the best of the best made it into... the MAIN part of that game. However, also shoved on that disk was Maximum Doom, a secondary install with the requisite thousands and thousands of random stolen maps. Keep in mind this was back when movie studios and the like didn't really care about shoddy MIDI renditions of music or someone recreating Moe's Tavern or Seinfeld's apartment in a Doom wad, so not only is this stealing fan's work, it's selling countless WADs full of licensed stuff. "Fair use" isn't what it used to be admittedly. These days even the free modding community is under threat from cease and desists, but back then no one cared. Even then, actually selling a game with Barney the dinosaur modded in without a license was definitely frowned upon. Id got away with ALL of that because gaming and the internet were still "wild west" territory that frankly most big IP owners treated like the cheesy dollar store knockoff toys from Mexico or China like "Robert Cop".

[@Panopticon83]

I miss this era of jank. The surprise of finding 500 of the same game but slightly more jankier than the last was always a christmas-esque experience.

[@Darkborn]

Mother- Do you have to upload the moment I start my shift? Now I'll be on edge waiting all day to watch it.

[@WordsmithVG]

I played these. I played ALL of these. I *finished* Duke! Zone 1 and 2. I finished Nuclear Winter, DC, Caribbean. I spent two solid summers of my young life completing Nuke It 1000 without cheats. I'd even open levels in build to check if they had a nuke button sometimes. This video is my trauma in 30 minutes

[@athospomier6989]

and u share the same opinion like civvie or have another? tell me! :O

[@WordsmithVG]

@athospomier6989 Duke DC and Duke Caribbean are good, Duke Nuclear Winter is so bad it's good, and Duke Zone II was forgettable but fine. Some user levels were great and I liked to look around the Dukematch levels for cool architecture and level ideas. But some levels were just awful, no fun, and a mess. Those 500 or so levels were a pain. But like pizza, even bad Duke is still ok-ish. 10/10, would waste youth on it again.

[@tapoemt3995]

Ah CompUSA, how I miss working there. I could've bought a Lamborghini with the money from Extended Warranties I sold on people's PC's. Never bought the Lambo so now I'm just facing Hell.

[@Worse_Is_To_Come]

Brother in Christ, I guess its time for you to go to church much more often.

[@bahamutbbob]

"Something smells rotten around here!" Alright, where ya hiding, Randy?

[@atrocity3010]

90s FPS shovelware packs are right up my alley so seeing Civvie cover them is like Christmas come early.

[@PaladinDusty]

Taking out drones by standing behind a tombstone slayed me for some reason.

[@zoro4661WasTaken]

Slayed them, too!

[@eltomi.eltomi]

every time this dude uploads dn3d i end up listening manhattan project's theme on loop for like an hour

[@glitchedoom]

Truly is the best Grabbag rendition.

[@Fragrom59]

So about the bug at 21:56 When you go underwater in duke3d, you are teleported to another part of the map (you put on the automap you will clearly that what is happening) because Build can't do rooms over rooms (for simplicity sake, I know it could sort of but I would like not to be too technical as possible). To make it work the surface and the underwater need to match in size and form for this to work, the problem here is when you look at the automap of this level you notice that the surface and the underwater doesn't line up correctly with the surface one teleporting the player into the wall. You see the automap in the video if you don't quite get what I mean by misaligned. Hope this comment was useful to someone.

[@Chozo_Ghost]

Meanwhile I'm still wondering why it showed his death scene from an entirely different level when that happened lol

[@Tokumastu1]

The fact that 3DRealms approved of this really puts into perspective how bad management was even in their golden years. With the benefit of hindsight I feel like Scott Miller must've been one the few hard carrying the company on the management side. Also calling modern 3DRealms "Zombie 3DRealms" is so fitting.

[@Insanabiliter_In_Linea]

I remember seeing ads for the Duke! Zones in some magazines when I was a kid, I thought that was just _the_ coolest shit and it made me wish I had a PC so badly. If I had a PC I could have five _hundred_ new levels for my favorite games? Sign me the hell up, no way those are trash. I had absolutely no idea how any of this stuff worked so I just assumed they were all a part of this absolutely massive single player campaign that would realistically take you weeks to finish, so since I never actually bought any of these I'm only just now finding out that they're all just scraped off the internet and were all essentially just 500 iterations on "My First Map" mostly made by teenagers. That is so entirely unsurprising.

[@TheNewms90]

"It's your happy little tree. You're the artist." Definitely using that Bob Rossism in conversation

[@alfiehicks1]

I can't wait for a future game to feature a level that somehow constitutes as a Moon Sewer, necessitating the return of that graphic.

[@CB66941]

One of my biggest fears as a level designer is playing really bad maps and finding that the terribleness has transferred to my own mapping endeavor, like some sort of infection

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

Like you're just playing some doom, yadda yadda yadda, now somehow all your 3D FPS game maps are infected with Terry Traps

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

"Wait, i am doing this already. I should probably change it".

[@katagonn]

4:05 Rule #5: If you don't know how to make your level hard, just add random enemies.

[@DanielSanchez-fs1nv]

Love it, I really enjoy learning about older FPS stuff like this

[@devin6420]

My first ever experience with Duke Nukum was a 500-in-1 DOS game collection type disc, along with Hugo Harry and the Haunted Mansion. Second would've had to have been that PS1 Total Meltdown port. I think playing some of these levels will be the only other Duke experience I ever allow myself.

[@graphicsgod]

Sadly I can't really remember how I got ahold of Duke3D back in the 90's. Doom on the other hand, I was in my computer typing class and we were working with 486 IBM computers running DOS. And a student who I was kinda friends with came in with a bunch of floppies of Doom, Heretic, and X-Wing. And we played the hell out of it!! I didn't own a computer at home that could play these games, BTW. And later I had a friend whose father just got a computer, that was probably $4,000 back in the day, and had a CD-ROM drive and Windows95! And I remember using it to download levels off BBS sites and came across the beta to Duke3D. But I can't remember wether I played the demo or the beta first. And then they purchased the full version of the game and I played it for hours!! I didn't get a real computer of my own till 1998.

[@dekkarr2873]

Oh that shot of the download speeds brought back some memories. I remember my dad freaking out at how fast the connection was, the first time he saw 100kb/s.

[@Leahi84]

God I miss CompUSA SOOO much! So many good memories from going in there as a kid in the 90s. At least there's MicroCenter now, well if you have one near you, which I thankfully do. Wizardworks weren't all bad. They released the Carnivores series, and the Dirt Track Racing series of games on the PC. I think they released those Deer Hunter games too which were alright.

[@LecterTorus]

Ah, yes, the good old days. The days of Duke 3D shovelware. A reminder that even the finest of games can be made to look like Capstone's.

[@blankfrankie3747]

My first experience with Doom 2 and Duke 3D - not to mention PC shooters - was a bootleg copy of one of these CDs that I "borrowed" from a "friend" and played on my dad's second hand 486. Doom 2 had sound but no music and Duke had music but no sound, but I was in 7th heaven. Christ, that front room was cold. Good times.

[@RugsterClaps]

There's something special about being a kid and struggling to get games to work on your dad's pc that he only bought for emails. Demo disks were a fun memory too

[@allyrivers7236]

Getting to a civvie video within an hour of dropping is rad

[@OnDavidsBrain]

Never thought I'd miss the likes of Duke it out in D.C but here we are.

[@spongebat1235]

this is my favorite channel to watch while grinding monster hunter

[@metusnex]

I remember how I made a huge beautiful level for Duke, and brought it to school on a floppy disk to show my friends, no one believed that I did it ((

[@devonwilliams5738]

Huh, I thought Plug and Pray was nothing but game parodies. You learn something new everyday.

[@BandenIndarys]

There is a GZDoom mod called D3Doom that adds Duke 3D monsters and weapons and physics to Doom.

[@yaboifoglet]

love that civvie just stops ingame when he realizes hes seeing UNDERWATER DRONES

[@NGB1122]

"This level feels like it was generated by an AI" accuratley describes modern 3D Realms at this point. They are monsters.

[@redroverohsix4428]

i know you’re describing everything very negatively (and it’s almost definitely deserved) but i’m transfixed by all of these they are all alien creations that i can’t help but be fascinated by.

[@fun-epersonnproductions4002]

MARATHON WHEN CIVVIE

[@franciscobrisolladeoliveir9596]

I think if Civvie did that, Ax3 would need to bring back the clock test

[@datadavis]

At least he wont have to pay for it with his meat wallet since its free..

[@Haru-spicy]

As entertaining as it might be, there isn't really anything Civvie could say about it that Mandalore hasn't already

[@KingLich451]

@@Haru-spicy meh

[@brandoneichconstante8745]

I remember when I was around 13 and had a Duke 3D pack plus a lot of Zone crap and similars from my uncle who was a fan. Seeing you playing some levels of Duke!Zone, specially the last ones brought me some vague memories of when I mindlessly played them. However, BPDs The Gate was also on the pack and I remember finding it way more polished and interesting in comparison, but maybe its because I played it along with the atrocious Zone compilations.

[@FalcorRedDragon]

I've been missing Pro Nukem for so long... my wish came true

[@diomaiaal]

Absolutely happy to see a good old Duke nuken pro playing video.

[@Razielchan666]

The texture on the door stays in place because it's aligned to the top of the wall, not the bottom. If it was aligned to the bottom, it'd move with the botom edge of the wall/door.

[@conliffeiain]

I thought I'd seen all the misspellings for "definitely" but then along comes "Denifinatly" at 3:36

[@Theribus]

Civvie face reveal at 2:45!!

[@007kingifrit]

i grew up with this, there are other fascinating one of a kind glitches, like the swimming pool where you can go down forever but going up is always the same amount of time

[@bardock7890]

It’s always a good day when Civvie always a good day when Civvie uploads

[@Nyerguds]

A shovelware CD like that for Command & Conquer got me into modding the C&C games, because they actually put some modding and mapping tools onto the disk along with the maps. And while a ton of these maps and missions were indeed absolute garbage, there were in fact a few gems in there. As Sturgeon said, 90% of everything is crap, but this also implies there's the other 10% as well.

[@CaseyMendez-xz3dn]

Thank you for making subtitles for your videos Civvie.

[@CaseyMendez-xz3dn]

9:34 Best part is, people still keep up the tradition of making levels of their homes on Gmod and Left 4 Dead. Its pretty wholesome.

[@cliffjosephs]

I had the pack that these guys put out for Doom2. It was my only experience with doom2 modding so I assumed they were all that bad. One level had replaced all the wall textures with the Dallas Mavericks logo. That was it.

[@ujustgotpwned2008]

May Carmack and Romero be praised, a new Civvie video!

[@Sabrowsky]

I recall I had 2 of those shovelware CDs. They had like 500 flash games from around the intetnet. I recall there being one that was a pinball game with religious hell imagery, an eyeball for a pinball, and constant screaming. Shit was dope

[@GmodPlusWoW]

It sure has been a hot minute since we've last had some DOS trash on the channel, and also a hot minute since we've had Duke stuff too. So this is a pretty safe bet.

[@quetzadrake]

This gave me an uncomfortable flashback to ten years ago when every gaming KZbinr felt the need to do a video on some 5000 in One Game Console nobody's ever heard of that were full of knockoff NES ROMs from thirty different countries and came with ten different random peripherals.

[@walnzell9328]

1:15 Stole fan content and then made people pay for it. And then they were contracted to publish Duke Nuken 3D expansions. Wow.

[@Franku40keks]

22:36 you can use letter "o" (iirc) in the editor, to make the texture move along the wall. For certain cases you don't want the texture to move, so there is an option for this

[@ProfesorWillem]

Like an old alcoholic sage says: ENDLESS TRASH

[@williamsmith666]

Pro Maximum Doom when, Civvie? That at least had the id Software seal of approval...

[@harleyspeedthrust4013]

i died when mr. michael bluth, president of the bluth company, exploded

[@dirtfriend]

i cant believe he bluth up

[@KingPBJames]

I love how tons of commenters are coming forward to claim their stake as one of the 13 year old map developers here :D I of course also made a myhouse level as one of my first. It's a good exercise in learning the map editor.

[@christophe5335]

This channel is Civvie's efforts to gain a six-packs that he would not be able to drink to forget the misery of his detention center.

[@aquawalrus]

This video just unlocked a lost memory. I remember playing through these shovelware maps as a kid but couldnt remember where they all came from, it was the first map pack. Great video as always.

[@jamesdobson4178]

I'M HERE TO ASS BUBBLEGUM AND KICK CHEW

[@datadavis]

Im too

[@Flesh_Wizard]

Kit Shittem

[@markmurgiya9354]

You, my friend, made me remember one of my favorite videos! kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaOzeWOZjK6Da7csi=PMRAgSWV6b9Tu5f6

[@Damian_1989]

AND I'M ALL OUTTA CHEW

[@stealth7225]

And I'm all outta ass

[@ShadesMan]

Nice, it's as though Spectere's channel influenced Civvie. His D!Oned and H!Zones series's in particular. Shoutout to Q!Zone - where they actually made original Quake maps for it in-house... but they used Deathmatch Maker, and the grid size was limited to grid 10. In a game where wall sizes are 64x, 128x, etc. There were two maps named after that fact, tho, so at least they knew....

[@GulfCoastNihilist]

This is about to be a really long restroom break.

[@prossnip42]

Boss makes a dollar you make a dime, so you watch Civvie on company time baby

[@Flesh_Wizard]

"I'm here to shit ass" *grabbag kicks in*

[@KingLich451]

@@Flesh_Wizard hahahhahah

[@gustavobaezrolon999]

Yes Civvie! I'm probably one of the 0.01% of those who have played Plug n Pray with Dualshock for PSone and it's my favorite DN; the DN: Total Meltdown. I get terribly nostalgic and seeing this exclusive episode talked about these days is great. Thanks for taking the trouble to get frustrated with these outdated maps! It's the honest truth! They're horrible but I love them! Duke forever! A+ rating for you

[@rosiemcdamsel]

Donkey Kong: Total Meltdown?

[@gustavobaezrolon999]

@rosiemcdamsel lol thanks

[@vladdura9115]

Babe wake up, Civvie uploaded shovelware

[@greenblooded395]

And it duke nukem

[@DocLizardPHD]

CompUSA was the place that I originally picked up Duke it Out in D.C. and Life's a Beach... haven't thought about that place in probably 10+ years

[@Alloveck]

11:40 Spelling "arctic" correctly like someone who's smart and paying attention instead of accurately wrong? That's not the Civvie quality control I've come to expect.

[@RedRumOnE]

Yeah but then he goes and pronounces it like arc-dick.

[@esmerylan]

So now that you've tackled this, how about giving the unofficial Doom expansions that got similar retail releases a video of their own? I'd love to see you cover Hell to Pay and Perdition's Gate, and I'd especially love to hear your thoughts on Chris Klie's even-more-unhinged-than-his-Master-Levels design for The Lost Episodes of Doom. 😝

[@AlizaAyers-n3j]

Your game so COOL!!!!

[@adammonroeproductions]

I miss my old Duke3D maps. Super proud of the one where I actually managed a room-over-room (multiple stories is a build engine hack). Godspeed to you, wherever you are now, you beautiful bastards!

[@sharkinahat]

"Carefully Hand Selected" yeah, right. You were lucky it it was Doom levels and not a shareware copy of Jazz Jackrabbit.

[@christopherwall2121]

If the disc was made by a time-traveler from the future, it could easily be both at once.

[@Coordinator010]

Shareware Jazz was honestly significantly better than most of this garbage.

[@pgwchaos]

22:23 I remember having a similar issue with one of my maps. It been a few years (decades) but IIRC it happened because above water sector is not the same as the underwater one, so when you dive underwater you get placed in a wall and die. I may be wrong, it been a few years since I made Duke Nukem levels.

[@Daniel-tf4wl]

CIVVIE FUMO ON THE WALL 0:54

[@MrMetal-xe8lg]

2HU MENTION

[@Johncw87]

I made many duke3d maps back in the day. But I had the good sense to not upload them to the internet, because I knew they weren't very good. Still have most of them, sitting in my dropbox folder.