You don't deserve privacy if you're not important.

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[@rafael_np]

"If you have nothing to hide, then why are you hiding?" My reply: so, please write down here your e-mail address and password. Nobody ever did write down his/her password...

[@TimpBizkit]

I mean I don't want to be on live TV taking a shit or having a wank.

[@jamesbrendan5170]

eh.... quite a lot of people in real life would reveal their own passwords to strangers in public when they're asked about their passwords, so.....

[@rafael_np]

@@jamesbrendan5170 But they gladly allow governments and companies harvest all their data and online activity, with automated tools to track and analyse his/her life, habits, behaviour, preferences, relationships, professional connections, and so on. Quite a contradiction, to say the least. Based on what you wrote, you did not get at all, what is being discussed here and its consequences.

[@jamesbrendan5170]

@@rafael_np and actually, what's wrong with not getting it? I don't see how this will have a major impact on my life...

[@rafael_np]

@@jamesbrendan5170 Does your opinion change what happens around you?

[@ronondex6]

There is a quote from Edward Snowden that summarises this perfectly: "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say."

[@CamcorderHomeVideos]

First time hearing this quote, and I love it!

[@minekush1138]

thats a quote right there

[@JackPorter]

or rather "i don't care about free speech because i have nothing illegal to say" either way the analogy kinda falls apart, just because someone personally don't have an issue doesn't mean you can just generate that issue for everyone else. minorities being ruled by majorities and all of that.

[@233kosta]

They're saying that too

[@JonathanSchrock]

The problem here is assuming that not caring about the right to privacy is referring to the right to privacy for everyone. Obviously you can't throw out others' privacy because you personally have nothing to hide, just like you can't throw out free speech because you personally have nothing to say. However, if I say I don't care about the right to privacy, I am talking only about my own privacy, which is arguably less important than my own right to free speech.

[@enigmabloom]

"If you have nothing to hide, then why are you hiding?" Bro, can I have your home address and have total control of your locks for free, so I can take food from your fridge whenever I damn well pleased? And take a fat dump in your toilet while I'm at it? No? Congratulations, you just realized the importance of privacy.

[@thesorehead]

"Do you close the door when you use the toilet?" I get through to people very quickly with this.

[@m3talh3ad18]

They're using my information to sell ads more relevant to me. I get it. I don't mind personalized ads. Is there anything else I should be concerned? Because I'm a law abiding citizen and not worried about being monitored on my daily activities. Sorry, if I sound naive. I really want to understand that issues at hand.

[@blinded6502]

@@m3talh3ad18 They manipulate politics and society using gathered statistical and personalized data

[@hendrikheim5665]

@@m3talh3ad18 Luis did make an interesting video talking about it where google reported something to the authorities and the guy on the other end got into quite a bit of trouble for a none-issue. Besides it's not just ads, if you live in a country that is china/usa/uk or their puppet/colonial possessions abroad you have to keep in mind that governments do not always have your best interest at heart and also by law companies under their territorial borders/ operations must hand out whatever they have without warrant. It's always nice to be a sheeple until it happens to you because some agent got bored, or they decide to do one of those "examples" just to mess with someone's life.

[@amokriinprolgiid3409]

@@m3talh3ad18 something you believe is harmless can look extremely suspicious to other people. Lois Rossmann posted another video in regards to a case where a man was arrested for pedophilia because he used his phone to take pictures of his infant son and send them to his doctor for medical purposes. Needless to say, even though you may think you have nothing to hide, being fully exposed to the Google overlords leaves you vulnerable to another mistake in the algorithm to screw you over. It's not super likely, but possible. And it also means that these big tech companies have algorithms set up specifically to spy on their users. Even though these algorithms may be well intentioned, they can still harm innocent people. Some of the worst things in history were done with good intentions. And while these algorithms aren't harming a large number of people right now (that we know of), over time, they're sure to get smarter. And as we all know, there's things that you can do in your own home harmlessly that if caught doing it, could get you into legal trouble. For instance, while marijuana is legal on the state level in some states, it's illegal nationally still in the United States. Which means, if whatever algorithms they use to watch people (as evidenced by the father being arrested for medical pictures) were to be modified to watch for ANY illegal activities, then people committing little crimes like that could be caught and fined for what they do in their own homes. I recognize that that sounds like a leap in logic, to guess at what might come in the future, but if people willingly give up their privacy today, who's to say what'll come tomorrow?

[@PoutingTrevor]

I can't remember if it was Louis or Muta from SomeOrdinaryGamers that said if someone was looking through your window with binoculars, no matter what you're doing, you'd draw the blinds.

[@defiantheroes6275]

Muta, recent video of his

[@ImmoderateThesis]

This wins comment of the decade.

[@milesfarber]

No, you'd call the police. In front of them. Drawing the blinds only makes them try harder. Showing yourself at the window calling the police makes them stop immediately. Shit analogy

[@Blu3P0rc3l41n]

@@milesfarber I think you've gone too deep into the analogy. It's really not that deep lol.

[@233kosta]

Sounds like a Muta thing to say

[@GlyphZero]

if someone's making money off your info and you're not getting a cut, you're important enough

[@nybrand]

capitalism

[@Grosserracker]

But what if you agreed to it, via a classic "terms of use" form? The service you are using owes you nothing. Nobody made you use it.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

@@nybrand theft

[@dimman3607]

@@Grosserracker you are detached from reality

[@MeAMoose]

@@dimman3607 Not really, its their business model. You "pay" for the service through data.

[@joshua7551]

Cyberops and NSE certified cyber security professional here. I didnt even make it past the first clip entirely and I already know his argument is "nobody wants your data". That is a dangerously naive way to look at this problem. As a cybersec professional, it is always assumed that team red wants everything and is always at least 2 steps ahead of you.

[@niteriderevo9179]

freaking agreed, i'm no cybersec specialist here, but yeah, even i know i want to kill my attack-surface as much as possible on my stuff, hence barely into that first clip, i'm like "really, dude? come on! you're being a freaking idiot.

[@erlendse]

The red team is one thing. The green team is reckness, and they got a lot of access.

[@julianl5967]

A close one is "nobody wants to hack you" and then botnets and cryptolockers, which don't care who you are, hit

[@joshua7551]

@@julianl5967 I have personally witnessed my ISP and all of their customers get collateralled by a botnet that I believe was targetting a local prison. ISPs block for the town is only 12 addresses off from the prison's known block. Ended up helping them with the traffic logs off of my fortigate firewall. Red team might not be after you, but if they're after your neighbor, you're fucked.

[@joshua7551]

@@erlendse aint that the truth

[@6581punk]

It's not paranoia to use a degoogled phone, I doubt this guy in the clip understands the problem. It is because you do not want Google and others to have your data to be sold and abused. Also, the battery drain of all this telemetry is not insignificant, plus it can use up some of your data allocation. Your phone is not supposed to be a gadget to help Google build their services and products.

[@androiduberalles]

@@bobbybologna3029 he sounds like a typical... person... that thinks they know way more than you do and thinks you should listen to them.

[@itchykami]

If you want a good measure of how much your battery is being drained by nonsense, delete facebook and instagram for a week and see the difference.

[@tali3san337]

"Your phone is not supposed to be a gadget to help Google.... " that's the only reason Google bought and continues to invest in Android. The big thing I will say in their favour is they keep a good portion of the Android eco system open source, so things like Graphene OS can exist. Without Android to build on and Pixel phones to work on something like Graphene OS would be nearly impossible to pull off. This is coming from someone who's an Android developer and has compiled and run AOSP on Pixels, so take my opinion for what it is. I still use a Pixel with the stock Google O/S day to day.... and I know I feed the beast information with every interaction... even this very comment...

[@cfilorvyls457]

Abused to do.. what exactly?

[@YodielandInhabitant710]

@@cfilorvyls457 Data mining affects everything. Google a health problem and your insurance goes way up, say somehting "out of the line" and you lose access to your cloud files, email, 2 factor authentification etc.

[@IXPStaticI]

another thing about getting "targeted" for political, personal or whatever reason is that you can never know in advance when you're going to be targeted, and neglecting your own privacy just cause you think you'll never be important enough for anyone to care is going to backfire immediately the second someone starts to care and everything is right at their fingertips because you didn't take any measures.

[@bonbonpony]

There's another thing about political targeting by companies like Google that nobody seems to be talking about. They don't necessarily have to threat you because of your political views. They might as well just selectively present to you certain informations and hine another ones, in order to manipulate you into certain beliefs or make certain political decisions (e.g. voting). And it's pretty obvious that they do, since they don't hide it particularly well. (Does anyone remember that Google director who bragged at a party about how they rigged the election and how they're gonna do it again, because they can?) You may think that you're not important, but multiply this by millions of such unimportant people, who are also voters, and you can literally rule a country that way.

[@wontcreep]

some people simply don't trust the officials to always catch the guilty, and frankly, there is way too many cases that makes it legitimate. people argue that this mindset is dangerous to society in large scale, they want full power to the authorities because they trust them. as individuals, people shouldn't be accused of trusting themselves before others...

[@Willy_Tepes]

A better strategy would be to have nothing to hide. If you would be ashamed if your secret came out, why the hell are you doing it in the first place?

[@Chrisspru]

@@Willy_Tepes nothing to hide until a bad person makes a law.

[@pratikpramanik7782]

Also, you could become important at any moment. Everyday individuals are thrust into the spotlight, dead or alive, and unexpectedly become political icons (see Mahsa Amini in Iran right now, see George Floyd, women who were forced into pregnancy after the scotus verdict…).

[@Knowbody42]

Al these arguments against privacy are based on one flawed assumption: The assumption that the people who are taking your data can just be implicitly trusted to do the right thing with it. You could be the most boring person in the world doing absolutely nothing wrong. That doesn't mean your data can't find its way into the wrong hands and be used against you. Even something like identity theft is just one example of a way your data can be used against you.

[@Mavendow]

Boring people are the juiciest targets for identity thieves. Imagine, a great credit score, steady income, and very few bills. Whew! Bring on the mortgages!

[@trajectoryunown]

Google location data being used for search warrants is a prime example of that. Theoretically, you could forget your phone in a taxi or walk by a block away from a crime scene and get arrested for murder because of it. That's just insane.

[@engineeringvision9507]

There is no reciprocity and so there can be no trust.

[@macktheripper7454]

@@trajectoryunown that actually did happen in the US and the innocent citizen spent a year or so in jail awaiting trial .. in the end he sued the gov

[@snowleopard9749]

Yes. Real world example - the theft of private data from Optus (Australia) in the last week.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

That guy in the video is not helping. He's part of the issue. Privacy and security is very important. Excellent work Louis

[@flavioa6351]

Of course he’s the issue. He can’t even properly speak his points. Has no idea what he’s saying

[@rustymustard7798]

This is the kind of lying shitbag deplatforming and cancel culture was built for.

[@PvtAnonymous]

he's just one of these guys who think because they're in IT they somehow know it all. I have had talks with IT people who don't know anything about computer hardware but still pretend to do. Software devs who think they understand networking or gamers who think they can repair computer because they built one with the help of a KZbin guide. The field is honestly so broad that no single human can comprehend it all. But some pretend to do. That dude in the video could've just said "I'm sorry, I don't know enough about this to make any recommendations" but instead he kept ranting about how useless degoogled phones are. I don't doubt his cybersecurity knowledge, but I'm sure as heck that he has no idea what he's talking about in terms of privacy or even mobile cybersecurity.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

@@PvtAnonymous there is also people being paid to downplay security and privacy on social media.

[@PvtAnonymous]

@@tacticalcenter8658 oh I don't doubt that. I just don't believe he is a paid actor, he is just delusional from my point of view. But yes, these exist.

[@carlocappello67]

Remember. They want you defenseless because they're not used to any resistance and don't know how to deal with it. Stay safe.

[@Luis-ef2zn]

who’s they? 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@quisqueyanguy120]

@@Luis-ef2zn You know who. The ones that say "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about", the ones that want to atomize society and destroy the concept of privacy.

[@wallylasd]

They are the creatures that have nightmares about little ole me and what I'm doin.

[@generic6099]

@@Luis-ef2zn the people who bioluminescently glow in the dark as described by a deceased person named terry davis.

[@AntiCookieMonster]

@@Luis-ef2zn Predators, cheaters, abusers, freeriders. I pray you are a bot, otherwise you must be quite the sucker.

[@Ultrajamz]

As someone who does data analysis for a living it isn’t about ego to want to protect your data. The algorithms don’t care who you are. That guys comment is valid for 1965 when it took manual human intervention to begin to spy on someone.

[@jodycwilliams]

This. That “expert” is an idiot. China, NK, Russia, hell the NSA…they aren’t using individuals to probe and steal or manipulate data. It is all automated. Is everyone a target? Absolutely. It is much easier to catch fish with a net than a hook.

[@joeschmoe6908]

Based upon the guys general demeanor, I think he's been living in his mom's basement for so long that he just doesn't care about being spied on anymore.

[@Ultrajamz]

@@joeschmoe6908 lel

[@InfernosReaper]

@@joeschmoe6908 He kinda comes off like the tech equivalent of one of those gunshop commandos who try to act like their expertise is far greater than it is, at best.

[@Starscreamious]

@@InfernosReaper He comes off as a fraud to me. He doesn't appear to understand the basic principles of privacy/security.

[@archygrey9093]

I use Linux not to be anonymous or paranoid (I'm literally using my full name here) but to have full control over what my computer actually does, nothing makes me angrier than microsoft forcing me to use edge or not letting me uninstall it, it is my computer, not theirs. It's all about the principle, companies are slowly putting themselves into a position where they can tell you what you can and cannot do with your own product and no one around me seems to notice or care, they just accept whatever happens without question.

[@tao4124]

FreeBSD is better. Microsoft already has some control of Linux, and there is systemD that is growing like a cancer in Linux. Good luck!

[@erlendse]

User's systems should be under users terms. All the centralisation and providers terms stuff is insane. It's very much a thing on end-users devices too!

[@GamerLogicalArt]

@@tao4124 is freebsd good for virtual windows for gaming?

[@bonbonpony]

Don't want to burst your bubble, but many devices in your computer still require proprietary firmware code to run, and the Linux kernel still does use such proprietary code in order to make those devices available for you. Things like graphics cards, but also network devices (Ethernet and WiFi). So at least in these areas, you _don't_ really know what your machine is doing and _don't_ have full control over it. And unless you're using a source code-based distro, like Gentoo, and digging through these sources constantly, I don't think that your statement about the rest of the software that you're running is also true. And if you use Intel's chipset, you might want to do some research about their Management Engine, which is basically an entirely separate computing system hidden inside the regular one, that can circumvent everything, including the operating system itself and the EFI, and can be controlled remotely. So I'm afraid that simply switching to Linux isn't a silver bullet that would magically solve all your privacy concerns. But yeah, it's still better than just using Windows or Android and letting those big tech companies fornicate you all the way through.

[@ibengotvasilforrd4258]

@@tao4124 Ever heard about s6? Its a toolset that can be used as init, service supervision, and system administration. All while being POSIX compliant, and following KISS principles.

[@NeonShores]

If I'm not important then why does Google want every piece of data about my life?

[@creativitysubs9935]

Google Maps: "I've noticed you've been to [Billy Bob's Shop] How has it been?" Me: "SHUT THE FUCK UP GOOGLE"

[@SeanBotha]

"You don't deserve privacy if you're not important." AKA stalking is fine you don't need privacy? Also, target kid who doesn't need privacy or take photos of women with out their clothes they don't deserve privacy. That is a disgusting statement!!! Privacy is a human right and saying "You don't deserve privacy if you're not important." is a human rights violation!!!

[@wumi2419]

If privacy was a right, it would be stated by law. If law disagrees, it's delusion. And I know for sure it's not going to become a law, because "think of the terrorists, and stalkers, and whoever else"

[@marcodarko6941]

Communism.

[@alifelessrock48]

Amongus.

[@Mavendow]

Saying it isn't a human rights violation but it's certainly an affront to the concept of human rights itself.

[@quisqueyanguy120]

@@Mavendow If a government or private entity were to violate your privacy under the premise that "you're not that important" that would be a HUGE humans rights violation, so huge that it would be actionable under international law (like GDPR).

[@Sanyu-Tumusiime]

"if you have nothing to hide, why are you hiding" some people will never understand the concept of privacy and they need to wake up.

[@havenbastion]

I have everything to hide because i don't trust those companies at all, and no one should. My personal details aren't relevant and the fact that anyone wants them insecure means they don't care Whether they're relevant, they just want it unprotected. And for what reason might that be? I don't need security against hackers, i need security against the companies that make their own decisions about my security.

[@tomlxyz]

I think it's easiest explained to them if you make it about physical privacy from people. Got nothing to hide? Then someone can come over and look at what you're doing at any time of day whatever you do

[@havenbastion]

@@tomlxyz There's a distinct lack of understanding of the difference between privacy and secrecy throughout this issue too.

[@rahulagrawal2381]

It should go both ways lol. Gov wants to spy? sure. I want info on their current secrets ops then

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

I’m sure this discount Shawn Fontanio wouldn’t mind if we upload every single conversation, text message, phone call, internet search and possible webcam footage he has ever made on or near a Google device into a public spreadsheet , he’s got nothing to hide

[@hiftu]

I have a nice quote from a movie called Anon about privacy: "It's not that I have something to hide... I've got nothing I want you to see."

[@bonbonpony]

Isn't that the same thing though? If I have some things that I don't want other people to see, then… well… those are the things that I have to hide, right? :q

[@Prolute]

No it's not the same. It's the difference between not wanting someone to see something and wanting someone to not see something.

[@kartoffelbrei8090]

"I have nothing to hide, i just know that every unnecessary detail might fuck me afterwards for no reason cuz thats how our jurisdiction works." - me Do not listen to these people. Protect your privacy. Eveyone that has been accused wrongly over lack of privacy and ordered to court can sing it to you. If you think you cant be wrongly convicted because you havnt done anything, think again. It is evidence that matters in the end. Evidence you let out in the first place.

[@SepticFuddy]

@@kartoffelbrei8090 I would argue it's narrative that matters in the end, and the prosecutor can more easily spin one from the evidence you've fed him even if you've done nothing wrong. Even without the evidence, narrative won the day in Beria's "trials". All it takes is the consent or apathy of the jury and/or public. Just the same, better to make them work for their corruption.

[@creativitysubs9935]

let's assume I am Honest Heinz and I got nothing to hide. You check my work computer and find business strategies, which you then steal to drive me into bankruptcy. You check my private computer and gind a draft for a book I'm writing, which you then steal to publish yourself. You check my social media and see that I made a post about my concerns in the world - the FBI swats me and I go to jail for inciting violence.

[@hashtagPoundsign]

Neal’s day job is in data collection, his anti-or be apathetic to privacy rant video could be social engineering. If it is, don’t make Neal’s day job easier for him, care about your data and privacy. VPNs work when you have safe browsing habits, they are not a cure all, but they really can help when used properly. The EFF has a lot of useful information protecting data and online privacy.

[@zachariasadams1984]

Let's make the opposite argument: if you're important, i.e. a public servant, especially a high profile one, you should have minimal privacy. To prevent corruption, we should know pretty much everything you are doing, and if you're not comfortable with that, find another job.

[@bonbonpony]

I wouldn't be THAT extreme. I'd rather say, that everything that you do that is even remotely connected to your public service, should be public. But public servants do deserve to have their own private lives too. One doesn't (and shouldn't) exclude the other.

[@Ableten]

The term public servant has lost its meaning over time and I think your idea would absolutely start to reverse that. That is as long the people holding the public servants accountable aren’t public servants themselves.

[@MadCowMusic]

The elections were certainly above board, they wont give any transparency and we can't actually check the results but just know everything was completely fair. You can't check for yourself but it was definitely fair and above board. Thank god for that, every other system in the world has corruption but thank god the u.s. election system has no problems and no possibility of being unfair. We can't really check or have any transparency so we better just be thankful that it's a rock solid system with no possibility of corruption at all.

[@Uffeful]

​@@bonbonpony I think it works fine. In Sweden where I live all mail to the goverment is public if it does not violate privacy of a person.

[@creativitysubs9935]

@@bonbonpony All your financial activies need to be public in real time. No discussion about that.

[@jordanimatedstreaming]

Privacy is not a measure of importance, it is what it is; privacy. Privacy is a basic human right that has been acknowledged and enshrined constitutionally via the 4th amendment. "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects..." Additionally, because of the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", Americans can [and are expected to] express rights in an act of free will, and do not need to provide any reason or show of importance for doing so.

[@dengan699]

"Think about it for one second: you are not important!" FU I ve thought about it for more than a second, and I value my privacy

[@creativitysubs9935]

IT-Idiot makes a classic mistake. He confuses: A) Don't worry about being hacked. Hackers don't target low value targets vs. B) Don't worry about all your data being collected, despite it being literally money to them

[@juances]

He went to the extreme, some 007 secret agent being tracked by an entire government but yeah, anyone can be victim of some random creep stalker or abusive ex you wouldn't want to be following your every move.

[@generic6099]

seeing that he used to be a part of a 3-letter agency with people that glow in the dark, he's probably still employed in secret. oh hey a kurisu pfp.

[@demonking86420]

or asshole managers from your previous workplace tryna sabotage your career happened to my sister, took her more than 2 years to secure a new job

[@ThatKidTony]

If I'm not important than why do they need to collect data on me?

[@albertusvanlubeeck9161]

It's an elitist mindset to say others aren't important enough for privacy. For one, you don't always know who your enemies are. Two you never know when/if you'll become someone "important". You can end up the main focus of a angry mob in a moment in today's world.

[@creativitysubs9935]

The dude in the video has the communication skills of someone with severe autism.

[@10.11.9]

Spot-on.

[@rationalbushcraft]

You don't have to be targeted. Imagine Texas state government getting list from period tracking apps and comparing the list of women who missed periods to the list of airline passengers who flew to cities with abortion clinics.

[@amentco8445]

that would be very funny.

[@creativitysubs9935]

Period tracking apps? Wasn't that in "handmaid's tale"? Anyways, imagine Brandon crippling Texas via cyberattacks or political slander, because they rally against him. Cyber attacks would be ridiculously easy without privacy laws.

[@slitheen3]

@@creativitysubs9935 period tracking apps are a much more convenient way to track ones menstrual cycle than using a physical calender. There's many reasons people use them, not just tracking their fertile periods. I just don't like getting caught off gaurd by the blood and ruining my underwear/sheets 😆 It is scary though. Many women have irregular periods, and it's not uncommon for someone whose cycle is usually normal to just.... skip a month for whatever reason. If a woman from Texas traveled to a big city with an abortion clinic (& probably EVERY big city in progressive states have at least one clinic) coincidentally around the same time she had missed that period (or had one so light she didn't notice, or just simply forgot/neglected to track it that month, ive done that a couple times before) she could get in trouble for something she didn't do, based off something that commonly happens even without pregnancy being the cause. Teens & young women can have VERY irregular cycles too, it usually becomes pretty regular in one's early to mid 20s barring health conditions like PCOS or endometriosis but it's a gradual process that can take several years from the start of menses for those hormones to sort themselves all out and come on time, every time. It can also take a long time for some to get diagnosed with the aforementioned health conditions, so if they miss a period and don't have an official diagnosis to point to as proof of a 'legitmate' reason they missed their period..... 😬 right after roe v wade was overturned I saw a LOT of people telling others to wipe and delete their tracking apps for this very reason. Thankfully the one I use isn't based in the US so I'm fairly certain I don't have to worry about them being strong armed into handing my data over...... not that it would really make a difference if I was making 'suspicious' searches online about reproductive health that they could point to instead :/ there was a woman who Facebook (I think?) knew was pregnant before she even did & was sending her adverts for baby stuff before she found out. THAT is terrifying shit right there *I'm saying month but menstrual cycles aren't actually monthly. Healthy cycles can range from as little as 21 days or as long as 40 days, so theyd have their period every 3 weeks-every 5 weeks(ish). The bleeding period itself can be anywhere from just 2 or 3 days up to 6 or 7 days. It just really depends on the person & can vary from period to period too. It's easier to say 'monthly' because it's about the average, but it's not actually on the dot monthly for the vast majority of people

[@xNaxdy]

10:25 "if you're listening to me now, you're already on Twitch!" -> said to Louis, as he's watching the clip on Streamable I couldn't imagine a more perfect unforeseen self-own if I tried

[@asakayosapro]

People who have and / or maintain hidden identity profiles will most definitely not even be caught streaming it on KZbin for all to see. Louis does it because his name is already out there and thus pointless to obfuscate, but the whole point he is making is that he doesn't want these dataminer greedcorps and agencies getting all this data without his consent or knowledge, on a device he has outright purchased and thus owns. Heck, for all we know , he might be moonlighting as some l337 h4x0R off the clearnet under some really obscure handle completely seperate from his public identitiy shown on youtube, and we're all none the wiser... And he prefers to keep it that way. The fact that no one knows of it is the proof that the security measures undertaken by that handle is working. The good ole Schrodinger's hackerman, or whatever.

[@NorthernChimp]

@@Robbie-mw5uu can you comment from Invidious?

[@mr1bienvenu1]

One day soon we're going to wish we had privacy and we'll understand why they are collecting all this data.

[@heperfectirl9470]

Typical people don't care unless it affects *them*.

[@PaperBagMan884]

The question isn’t “what are they using this data for,” it’s “what aren’t they using it for?” There’s a multitude of reasons why companies and governments collectively spy on everybody. The non exhaustive list includes training AI for good or nefarious reasons, spying on people for any reason, abusing or manipulating people to affect their beliefs or behavior, archiving data to later blackmail a person or group of people if they get out of line, exclude you from certain privileges based on your beliefs and behaviors (such as a social credit system), researching people, and so on, I mean the list goes on and on. They even collect data on people when they currently don’t know what they’ll be using the data for, because why not? You never know when it’ll come in handy. You don’t have to pretend you’re James Bond and do every bit of online activity in an anonymized TAILS instance routing all your traffic through several proxies and VPNs on the TOR network and paying for everything with bitcoin and cash, but taking some common sense measures and addressing your actual threat model is the best thing everyone can do to minimize the harm these companies and governments can do to you.

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

Be quiet before someone adds you to the list of NSF casualties

[@whitelion61]

It‘s never a bad idea to minimize the data others have about you. The data collected might not seem relevant now, but data that others don’t even have cannot be misused. Just because there is no way to have both perfect privacy does not mean its a bad idea to try having decent digital hygiene. With that in mind, sending a lot of data to Google voluntarily just because it won‘t get you killed is kind of stupid. Staying in control of data is ALWAYS a good idea.

[@PvtAnonymous]

people just can't grasp at the idea that everything that goes through the cable is collected, FORVER. The NSA has emails and texts from at least 2007, that's 15 years, 4 different presidents. Between then and now you could be in quite some danger without even remembering it. Now imagine Snowden's leaks. That was in 2013, 9 years ago. We had the iPhone 5s at that point. Processors were slow and hard drives were still expensive. The amount of data collected was minimal, due to hardware restraints. Now we have AI that can process data on our phones and upload it in compressed format (like uploading audio from dictation to servers and processing it offsite vs. having it processed on our phones and upload small chunks of byte-sized text files). It's really scary because we haven't had Snowden 2.0 since then and we have no idea how bad it is now.

[@Tjalve70]

That's why I don't want targeted ads. As long as I see that the ads I get do not seem to be targeted, then I know that they don't know enough about me to give me targeted ads. And that pleases me.

[@Mavendow]

​@@PvtAnonymous That's not true. A decent third-party VPN* will outright prevent non-targeted hardware MITM. With this roadblock an attacker must possess your crypt key or a backdoor. If you use AES and modern updated OpenSSL they almost certainly do not possess a reliable attack vector. Side note: if you use one of those so-called 'personal VPNs', get rekt. You just agglomerated all your data in one place and so made it as easy as possible to track. * A third-party VPN whose place of incorpration does not reside in a nation which has a data sharing agreement with the NSA.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

Exactly. I don't remember which YT channel I heard it from, but one of the channels I follow reported on this guy who got flagged for CP by his phone. His young son had a rash or something. They were talking to a doctor remotely (probably during COVID lockdowns) who asked them to send a photo. The phone/service analyzed the photo and reported it as CP. All of the persons Google accounts were locked out and I believe they were reported to law enforcement. Yikes.

[@PvtAnonymous]

@@Mavendow uhh I don't exactly get where you disagree with my above statement. A VPN doesn't even run on a root privilege layer (just the user layer) and can't prevent sharing or transmitting of information that's running on kernel level. Yes, it can prevent MITM, BUT not from the NSA or any other entities that use FISA court orders or backdoors to retrieve information. I was just talking about govt agencies doing their shickyshack to gather data, not private entities.

[@fdfd4739]

The biggest defence against stalkers, identity thieves, etc... is simply to not provide information to the public. No mentioning locations, at least regularly visited ones, no comments on family/friends, or anything that can tie your online identity with you. Taking away options to reserve your private information is absolutely asisine because it's when your information gets leaked/bought, not if when it comes to corporations storing it. People also forget that you may not be the target, but your assets are, so while you may be okay along with your physical belongings, your online accounts be it PayPal or even your Gmail could be completely hijacked from information originally taken by these corporations.

[@creativitysubs9935]

Imagine mr. IT-Idiot's world: "You don't need privacy. Paypal can sell your home adress to george soros so he can send antifa thugs to firebomb your house"

[@hex3n]

I'm a penetration tester. I disagree with everything he said. Privacy and security go hand in hand. You never know how that data can be used against you or how it might be used to breach a company. Also, it doesn't take an NSO group to find a vulnerabilities for phone hardware and software. I assume within the next few years we'll start seeing large smartphone botnets. This is due manufactures not updating their operating systems, users not realizing the OS is vulnerable, and publicly available exploits. I wonder if he tells his clients not to encrypt data on their laptops, use strong passwords, or use MFA. It's just data and they're not special haha.

[@MisterBrickalew]

Everyone alive or ever lived is essential and integral to humanity and society. You are important to the human experience. Don't let someone who is not important "TO YOU" tell you otherwise. Without you, there is no we. You deserve the same as any other human being. Don't devalue yourself.

[@creativitysubs9935]

The IT-Idiot in this video lacks the very basics in... just about anything. He can't even communicate. He meant to say "high value targets", not "individuals which are valuable, unlike you"

[@Jagi125]

I can see two likely reasons why is he arguing against using de-googled software: - He's making money form the data collection himself. - He tries to justify himself, why he isn't using them as a "security expert".

[@kipter]

Hes prolly a glowie, how many bald people do you know who arent cops?

[@torinireland6526]

@@kipter Lots. Also, his water bottle says "fuck cancer", so maybe he lost his hair to chemo or something? I don't like the guy because he behaves like a complete ass, but that doesn't mean I think he's a cop lol

[@jordansherard1155]

@@torinireland6526 he is former nsa, and actually does have cancer

[@MadCowMusic]

Security and Privacy are two opposite things. Cyber Security for companies involves taking away the privacy of all employees and tracking everything they do.... Nothing is further from Privacy than the profession of Cyber Security.

[@tseikkisnelkytkaks9013]

He's just stupid and hasn't thought things through. So many people would use Google anyway that anything he says would have zero effect on his income. He'd make more money as a security expert scaring people and selling perceived solutions. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

[@linuxdragon57]

"I get out a pen. I write down my email address. I say, 'Here's my email address. What I want you to do when you get home is email me the passwords to all of your email accounts, not just the nice, respectable work one in your name, but all of them, because I just want to be able to just troll through what it is you're doing online, read what I want to read and publish whatever I find interesting. After all, if you're not a bad person, if you're not doing anything wrong, you should have nothing to hide.' Not a single person has taken me up on that offer." ~Glenn Greenwald

[@Mavendow]

That was a great lecture btw.

[@linuxdragon57]

@@Mavendow I know. I used Newpipe to download it to my phone.

[@richard127gm]

In the UK, our welfare organisations can demand to see your smartphone data to see where you've been and can also look at your bank details. You could say "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear"! From years of experience however, being the victim of Government (both local and national) mistakes, I absolutely worry about misuse of data and pure ineptitude. In the UK, local councils were trialling the use of spy cameras on refuse bins, so they could fine you if you didn't close the lid fully or recycled the wrong things. Irrespective of the fact that our bins are in front of our houses, on the street, and any passer-by could dump what they want as they pass your property. Spying on the public is bad enough without all my personal movements and shopping history being available. And the angry gentleman in the video is also forgetting about hacking. I have had at least 5 alerts this year to tell me a given organisation I deal with, has been hacked. Plus, at the end of the day, what business of his is it?

[@MadCowMusic]

Y'all blokes should get a 4th amendment going around there.... And a proper constitution for that matter. Otherwise your people are not people they're just dogs with no human rights. Btw why the f*** do you nerds still have a monarchy? Too weak to stop them??

[@hi117117]

Hi, I am a cybersecurity expert. I studied cybersecurity in college before it was even a degree and have been working in the industry since. your assessment actually perfectly encapsulates what I see wrong and a lot of the security industry. particularly your comments about threat assessment and about security not being binary. there is a paper that I reference quite a bit titled Gray security. this paper goes over basically exactly what you described, that viewing security as a black and white, binary one or zero, really gets in the way of actually achieving security over your selected threats. I think the other thing that is missed almost especially by people in the security industry is threat modeling. at least when I was studying this back in school, I don't think it was mentioned a single time. The most basic part of designing security literally wasn't mentioned even once. this has since bred a culture in the security industry of x thing is secure, y thing is not secure, to the detriment of actual usability and in a lot of times security against your actual threat actors. it's even to the point where I have seen document proposals from the NIST and NSA that seem to address this usability and actual security gap. The specific thing in reference is around password rotations, which might actually make things less secure for the standard user.

[@Mavendow]

@zai jian Threat *modelling.* It's a very common technique that in other fields is known as "risk analysis" which you may have heard before. Threat modelling is a very specific type of risk analysis which focuses only on risks borne from possible attack vectors.

[@SepticFuddy]

A very good explanation of what I've noticed from the outside. So many "security" pushes onto the everyman to whom they are functionally irrelevant, because they're not looking much outside their own professional use-cases. On top of that, they prioritize their idea of security to the exclusion of functionality, control over one's device, privacy, etc. for these hypothetical threat vectors that the average user need not worry about. Everyone has their own personal security and privacy needs because we are all individuals, but God forbid an "expert" catches wind of one of us deviating from the one-size-fits-all. That's just ignorant heresy! Password rotations are absolutely less secure when you force people to create mnemonic aids outside of their own heads. That also applies to password character rules, and especially randomly generated passwords. We have tools now that warn about compromised passwords. Even if you're actually in a position particularly vulnerable to cyber warfare... the chances somebody is going to try to brute force your password are real damn slim compared to them socially engineering their way into accessing your credentials.

[@TheMaximus359]

I requested all the information google has of me, and received it this morning. The second excel sheet has nearly 30000 rows of info about me from the last month alone. Google also kept every single email ive received ever including junk and deleted emails. Like bro youre seriously storing junk mail i received like a decade ago? what?

[@cameronmaher2209]

When I did my Google takeout of my data it was like 20gb. Small yes. But with google your the product. I moved all my emails to protonmail. Dumped all my photos to my nas and been using KZbin Vanced. The original app still works. Now I've got a pixel 6 running graphene os. I was on Apple. But there like csam alao on device so I was like fuck that.

[@nybrand]

it's their terms of service

[@PvtAnonymous]

yes, but they only give you the data that you already had insight to. All the other telemetry is not in that takeout (for obvious reasons). Like when your phone made connection to which cell tower, Wi-Fi AP, Bluetooth device XY, when you gripped your phone, when you tapped your screen, when you locked and unlocked it, the battery levels and how often and at what speed you charge it, when you opened which app, which hand you used to type on your keyboard, if someone else typed on your keyboard, OK Google - activations and so on and so forth. That data is much more valuable than all the mails and photos and you'll never know how much and what is stored on their servers - forever.

[@excalligator5529]

Even if there is no direct harm to you (which I believe there is) it’s still creepy to be spied on, if you are being watched most of your day, in your home, at work etc. that’s not something you want because being stalked Isn’t fun who would’ve thought, so if you’re being watched you probably will try and do something to put a stop to it in some way. But also, it’s my data and if I don’t want someone to have it then I will do everything I can to stop them from getting it

[@sergioav7278]

As said by others, if they make money of your data, you're important enough. I really hope grapheneOS and similar OS is able to be installed in most phones, or at least in budget ones with microsd slot.

[@williamlloyd3769]

Consider the poor Australian consumer that was thrown under the bus by their cell phone provider not encrypting their personal private data while it was at rest. Total corporate incompetence by Optus

[@deltacx1059]

security is required for privacy. there is a reason secret government buildings are made of opaque materials and have guards, this makes them private. if it was made of glass it obviously wouldn't be private, works the same with digital security. security is about risk MITIGATION not total prevention, and security expert should be well aware of this. if Google can see what you are doing so can anyone who gets access to their network, which is common.

[@TruthDoesNotExist]

or any third party google sells the data too or it just may be flat out stolen by some random hack along with thousands of others data and sold to your stalker or abusive ex or future identity theif

[@radornkeldam]

"BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, BLAH-BLAH-BLAH... BLAH!" A "cyber security expert" on the topic of privacy

[@Rodolfo17987]

Imagine this logic with everyother type of security and privacy? Guys the moment someone makes fun of or less of you to convince you of something, that's the moment You know You are talking to an abusive POS .

[@nemodot]

Privacy is more important each day for multiple new reasons, including stuff as basic as economics. You can get you money seized from you fairly easily nowadays. If someone links your bank account with something the goverment dislikes, then you could be unable to withdraw. I use privacy to make sure my income doesn't get tracked, I use bills to pay and don't ask for receipts. And I am not a criminal. It's just that I don't want to lose more than half of what I earn.

[@MegaBaellchen]

The guy from the US Cyber Team is also acting completely oblivious about what people might become and how their tracked, traced and databased past can be used as ransom long into the future.

[@Bboyduck]

it's not about being "important" or not, it's about feeding them data more knowledge = more power

[@WiscoDbo]

I love how you've moved across the country and somehow have a home video setup thats nearly identical. Consistency.

[@profet1385]

Or conspiracy. Lol

[@artemissian]

"There is a difference between privacy and security" is a pervasive view in corporate IT bc from their perspective it looks that way. For an individual privacy and security are the two sides of the same wall which keeps inside what is inside and keeps out what is outside and wasn't invited. Security is how privacy looks like from the outside, privacy is how security looks like from the inside.

[@bufordmaddogtannen]

And yet they are still different. Privacy as a right is about keeping what's on my phone out of reach from Google and app developers, since they can look at my data and behaviour by design. Security is about preventing the compromise of the phone by third parties, through unpatched vulnerabilities. The latter will allow third parties to commandeer the phone AND access data in a way that is not there by design. Given that a droid rarely gets security patches in time, if ever, the use of an alternate OS fulfills both aspects up to a certain point (if Qualcomm decides you don't get patches after 3 years, you don't get them regardless of the OS).

[@erlendse]

There is clearly a difference. If the information was never collected, there won't be a need to protect it!

[@PvtAnonymous]

it's not a corporate IT view, it's reality. There is actually the three pillars of threats: Privacy - Security - Anonymity. You can be private, but at the same time easily hacked and not anonymous (which means someone can't see your data, but know who you are). You can be secure, but neither private or anonymous. Where you're hard to hack but everyone and their grandma knows what you're doing and who you are. And you can be anonymous, but not secure or private. Where someone can not say who you are, but what data is passed and easy to hack. These need to always be addressed from an individual point of view - your threat model. And then there's usually 3 (4) sides to that: private hackers, domestic (foreign govt) and corporate. These combinations make up your threat model in 99% of use cases.

[@stalememe3305]

You've gotta remember, these companies are legally required to keep all of the data they track for decades. It's not just about what they'll do with it today (which is already bad), it's about what could happen between now and when it MIGHT get deleted, if that day ever comes. Considering that Amazon, Microsoft, Google and Apple all built their cloud storage services off the back of their internal infrastructure, they clearly don't have any plans to delete their records anytime soon.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

That is absolutely false. There is no legal requirement for them to collect or retain such information. They want to keep it so that they can monetize it, they are not required to keep it legally.

[@Mavendow]

​@@Me__Myself__and__I Until the Patriot Act expired there was such a requirement. Today, many still keep data regardless because the NSA set up a program to buy their stored data.

[@Snoop_Dugg]

In Australia, the telecoms provider Optus got hacked and everyone’s drivers licenses, passports address and personal information got leaked. We may not be politically important but I’m sure we have the right to keep our information safe. Not everyone has a big hassle to request new Ids etc.

[@MrJohnnyseven]

"you're not that important".. Really then why do "unimportant" people keep getting hauled off by the police for wrong think...

[@ekim4926]

It’s just as simple as I don’t want someone to know my porn history and I think that I’m entitled to that

[@VileJackie]

Dudes?

[@PvtAnonymous]

Louis, as a long time viewer, I was wondering when you'd get into the privacy game. And finally, here you are. I'm so glad you finally talk about all of the shady Google spying tactics and how to mitigate these risks. I think your work with FUTO really helped here. And I'd love hearing more about this, since it's an even bigger issue than right to repair in my opinion, although it's connected to some extent. Keep up the great work, you have a strong voice and people listen to you. You're doing a service for all of us!

[@erlendse]

I recall hearing mentions a lot earlier. FUTO was probably giving a very good opertunity to follow up on it!

[@miguelrmusic]

Agreed

[@iamtheiconoclast3]

You pretty much nailed it here man. Privacy is an end in itself. It doesn't require justification. Telling people they shouldn't want privacy _does_ require justification.

[@paulregener7016]

Hell yeah Louis glad you constantly making videos for us and appreciate your point of view. Really helps me understand the depth of lot of different topics.

[@Solidst8dad2112]

I am not a privacy nut, but I am also do not need every detail of my life and every conversation recorded and stored. Last week, I was talking with my daughters about taking a trip to Europe in a few years. When I opened up my American Airlines App to get a general idea of cost for flights, IT CAME UP PRE POPULATED with The Destination City we were discussing and 4 travelers!!! This is not a city I have cached or would have ever visited. That is a bit too much for me.

[@subtledemisefox]

Right! It's one thing to show you ads based on stuff you've actually looked at and searched up, but to record conversations and possibly even video is just going way too far.

[@sam9067-p8s]

It's been abused in the recent past. Look up the NY times where medical photos were flagged triggering a police investigation. There was also the one where a man was arrested for murder because his gps placed him at the scene. 6:00 They're going to do what they're going to do just like right to repair. If you're concerned about your phone tracking your routine just get a phone with a replaceable battery. Slip a piece of paper between the contacts. It's now an on/off phone! yay. :D

[@guycomputer829]

Man that first guy, expert or not, is absolutely awful. Yikes. Edit: Realized the entire video only featured him. Just skipped through and listened to you Louis, great takes on everything as always man.

[@darkdudironaji]

Anybody else notice he didn't give a single reason to not get one? His entire answer was, "Don't get it. You don't need it." I don't need new showerheads either. But I sure would like some.

[@sarcasticpanda84]

I hate these arguments against privacy. It's not that I think I'm important that I want to not be tracked, have my files and photos scanned w/o my permission or have my messages read. It's because those are MY files and photos, MY messages and I don't want a company to know where I'm at 24/7. And the BS argument of, "If you don't have anything to hide/aren't doing anything illegal, why do you care?" the reason I care is because it's not ME that says what is and isn't illegal. What's legal today could be illegal tomorrow. In addition, if a government becomes tyrannical and decides to start cracking down on citizens, the less data they have, the better. Also, if they have all that information, they can make it look like you've committed a crime and silence you. And before anyone thinks that could never happen in a developed nation, look at what's happening in Australia, New Zealand and Canada. In Australia, you were forced to download an app and respond to random messages and prove you were in your quarantine zone. You really want that kind of government to have access to all your data so they can spin it however they want? I'll pass.

[@Alexbl100]

>You don't need privacy unless someone wants to hack you into pieces The reason they were able to do that is because he had a very similar stance too. You're not important until you become important and you become a threat.

[@Generik97]

If anyone thinks there is a problem with wanting to keep your life, personal information and data private from a private corporation or a government agency then they are entitled to that opinion but that opinion is wrong. Boot licking doesn't make the boot go away, simple as.

[@FursonaNonGrata]

When the name of the game is "big data" the idea of individual importance is beyond moot

[@SuperSmashDolls]

"The area I live in has an HOA..." ...Man, the next season of Rossman Realty is going to make New York City look like a perfectly ethical business

[@tactileslut]

HOAs don't feel compatible with Louis at all.

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

Privacy and security is a choice everyone have, dont need a special permit or reason. I have picked a semi safe way to go, i block the majority of the bad apples and i dont use social accounts except for twitch, youtube and discord at times. For the simple reason that microsoft have gone a bit rotten in the way they treat their customers i have blocked them completly from destroying and crashing my computer.

[@chrisjeanneret5091]

Finally someone said it out loud. Although all us ordinary people already know that we don't matter, our money does.

[@TruthDoesNotExist]

or our identity to an identitiy theif

[@andrewb9409]

You never know what random event can make you that “important.”

[@gondolagripes1674]

As someone who works in IT, that's total bs lol. Everyone deserves privacy, even from companies like Google that make the majority of their money selling your information. That's their entire profit motive. Privacy and security are linked, everyone deserves both!

[@nybrand]

it's their TOS you are accepting.

[@gondolagripes1674]

@@nybrand does it really matter, though? If you reject the TOS and want to use something else that doesn't have a TOS with those provisions, why does that make you self absorbed or paranoid about things?

[@PvtAnonymous]

technically, they don't sell it - they give it away for free. There's a video called "They're not SELLING your data. It's MUCH worse...", watch that first. Might be a real eyeopener.

[@joegote]

Don't think you need to 'earn' the right to privacy. You may temporarily lose it but should expect to get it back.

[@baratthuj]

Whether it's in IT or in any society/profession you live/work in, everyone is important and everyone matters. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise; they're either lying and/or don't know what they are talking about.

[@RamonInOrlando]

Do you think is Pure Coincidence that when you said something close to a Google or Apple phone, there's advertisement on that later? Appointments are added to calendars sometimes without consent and more... If we don't do something about this, we are allowing it.

[@CamcorderHomeVideos]

I'm actually surprised KZbin isn't taking down videos like yours. I'm happy they aren't though. 😁

[@imdyinginside1919]

KZbin don't really care tbh as lomg as it didn't affect their money

[@nybrand]

why would they pull it. there is nothing of importance here

[@remyronko]

@@bobbybologna3029fellow kenny enjoyer =)

[@id01_01]

The same argument applies to security: "You're not important - and that's why you don't need security. Do you think anyone wants to hack your phone!?"

[@subtledemisefox]

People say that, yet ransomware exists. I'm also sure I'm not the only person whose phone is buzzing throughout the day because some cold caller is attempting the latest scam of the week and wants $1000 worth of gift cards. There are probably a million people who don't care who you are or how important you may be, but they still target the other billions of people looking for anything from their data that they can use to separate them from their money.

[@Mavendow]

@@subtledemisefox You're not important - what do you need money for? Sheesh.

[@Bluuplanet]

Not being important enough doesn't mean you will be left alone. Just the opposite. Collectivists don't like individuals. They're not comfortable until all of humanity is put through a meat grinder and homogenized. That eliminates competition and (they think) drives a peton into the crack in the mountain at their current level of accent so they don't have to keep climbing. For those who are unimportant, they make sure you have no climbing gear and lash you to the end of a rope which they tie off, leaving you dangling far below.

[@MrJohnnyseven]

Exactly

[@TheMetalGryphon]

Jesus fucking christ you are a clown. Unhinged political alt right autists who throw around terms like "collectivist" as if you have any inkling on what it actually means. There are plenty of examples of how people like yourself, get conned into believing conspiracy theories and end up scapegoating groups of people into being this "great unseen enemy". This shit is literally out of the playbook that many dictatorships and nationalist movements have been using since the dawn of populist movements in the 20th century. You dont refer to any specifics, you dont give any clear and concise examples or rhetoric, all you do is regurgitate whatever sociopathic, barely intelligible nonsense that some demagogue on youtube tells you to believe, maybe throws in some out of context tiktok videos or some other bullshit like that, and you consume it without any sort of rational thought or contemplation. People like yourself who have no actual education or experience in political theory, yet spread rampant misinformation and lies about other groups and political parties, are solely responsible for the rampant political division and violence that we are seeing in the west today. You people dont have anything to stand on, no substance in your beliefs. You people dont want to improve things, you dont want to create things that make life better, you dont want to add anything to society that is in anyway meaningful. All sociopaths like yourself want is to enact some weird form of autistic political vengeance on what you perceive as "the enemy". Nothing more. You want to see people that think differently then you suffer, by claiming to want to protect "peoples rights and privacy" and yet consistently voting in people that actually take those rights away from people, completely ignoring this obvious fact all because you disgusting piles of degenerate filth cant discern fact from obvious conspiratorial fiction. Your entire ideology is not based on merit or coming to it organically through research and disciplined learning, your ideology is entirely based on "owning the libs" and thats it. Im an individualist, I am also a liberal and those things are incredibly intertwined, despite the efforts of alt right media and people like yourself that would lead people to believe otherwise. Conservative drones like yourself are more likely to be actual collectivists then most people on the left side of the political spectrum fyi, all delightfully shown by your allies in the religious and fundamentalist right. You actually think you are an individualist yet consistently vote people who want to FORCE other people to adhere to ultra right wing social and cultural principles with no exceptions. Jesus fucking christ the irony.

[@LiveFreeOrDie2A]

I’m not that important- to YOU. But to ME, I’m the MOST important person, and YOU are not that important. So I could give a flying fuck about how important someone who’s not important to me, at all, thinks I am.

[@stephenoden829]

I’d love not being under constant surveillance from every single app and electronic anything, only to be spammed with ads, only to be spammed by bad actors trying to steal my money from my “unimportant”information.

[@noeagosto9231]

I absolutely loved your take. The biggest thing I noticed was the difference in your attitude and tone versus the dude you observed. You gave your points, pointed out things you agreed, and said what you disagreed on. The other man was obnoxious, loud, and it felt like I was listening to some edgy teen or shill blasting his “opinion”. Big difference. Thank you! Much appreciated.

That bald dude is the type that thinks that the louder he talks the more correct he becomes

[@prescribedarmday]

Mr. streamer here is lecturing us about self-importance while using an extremely condescending and, ironically, very self-important tone to shame people into giving up on their privacy. He comes off as a petulant child

[@dnoordink]

I will say though, keeping your phone sitting right on top of your junk all the time is probably good permanent birth control :)

[@Mavendow]

Doesn't have nearly as much effect as eating foods contaminated by plastics. (i.e. just about every edible substance in the western hemisphere)

[@InfernosReaper]

Those avenues for collecting your data are backdoors in your device's security. Anyone claiming otherwise is either being disingenuous or doesn't know what they're talking about. We've already seen this at work before. I'm not important, but my data has value. Everyone's data is at least valuable for youtube, google, and facebook to not charge me to use their services. It's worth something to companies that want active email addresses and personal preferences for marketing. It's worth something to hackers who want gain access to card information. It's worth something to random internet trolls who want to mess with people by hijacking their accounts.

[@jwkmpli]

its my life and data I get to choose who I share it with , if I wish to let people know private things then I will tell them, I don't accept that I should be tracked or accept cookies I always reject cookie settings . I agree that when you post anything on social media you expose your data to potential abuse but I will always try to limit exposure and take reasonable steps to protect my privacy. I don,t use my real name or date of birth I have different email addresses. I may not be important in the eyes of others but I value my self worth and privacy. While I see myself as open and friendly I still have blinds on my windows and locks on my doors to prevent unwelcome visitors, I expect to have the same level of control with my online data.

[@sprtwlf9314]

That clip was pathetic. That guys either a shill or an idiot. Yes individually the every day persons data isn't worth much to the NSA or Google, however, in aggregate when you have a bunch of every day peoples data its very valuable and scary what will be and is being done with it. Not to mention, we have the right to privacy whether we're "important" or not.

[@Melchirobin]

I would love to see a friendly debate between you guys. It feels like it would be great discussion.

[@bonbonpony]

My doubt is about the other dude's ability to such a debate though :q The way he immediately snapped on this particular subject makes me think that he's a corporate shill, and his expertise in security (provided that he really has one, I don't know him) is most likely just from training programs from Google and Microsoft themselves.

[@kuro_mori_vt]

it can’t happen. other dude is very clearly stuck in his own head that he’s right and doesn’t care what your argument is. there’s no reason or method to debate with him, if you would look at his tone. not only did some of his early comments show a clear disdain for the average person, but also frankly reeks of xenophobia and a touch of racism too. The way he singled out the UAE as if american companies aren’t the ones gathering and selling your data, followed by his inability to think past the present, are enough to tell me he’s not qualified to participate in the debate. He effectively said “You dont deserve privacy bc you don’t matter.” not only is that a HORRENDOUS take on privacy, but also completely blind to if and when your data WILL matter. The FBI and such may not care about you now, but if they ever DO and you weren’t careful with your data, in a matter of minutes they would know everything you did in the past 5+ years. It’s not that we have something to hide, but nothing we want to show, and everything to lose by being complacent.

[@kingm3llo]

@Louis Rossmann you need to bring to light how schools track the location of devices, even if it is your own device! My school has a program installed called goguardian and I was looking at the permissions it has on MY Chromebook. One of them was that it could see my location. There is no reason the school needs to know where I am especially on my private device.

[@kennethM]

I think this guy has a bad take. Cyber security expert or not. What about the right to be left alone. What about people that just don't want their life tracked by a company to try to market to them or something else all the time?

[@DiscovererAlpha]

Anyone that claims to be an expert but is also a twitch streamer should be pretty much disregarded

[@nybrand]

read the TOS

[@PvtAnonymous]

@@bobbybologna3029 even if not about the money, someone who's actually good at cybersec doesn't waste hours on twitch. They do research in their free time. This is the exact reason why you'll never find actual experts on KZbin or twitch, they have better things to do.

[@Mavendow]

​@@PvtAnonymous Not exactly. You -never- rarely find actual experts on KZbin or Twitch because they understand that engaging in a complex discussion will end with "well, _my opinion_ is superior to your knowledge." I educate myself and so have managed to meet quite a few experts on KZbin, and occasionally, have given them a bit to think about. Though admittedly there's been a few times I've been schooled as well. Accepting that I might be wrong is absolutely critical to having a productive discussion.

[@PvtAnonymous]

@@Mavendow well, that too. But as I said, the knowledgeable people usually just do their stuff and don't waste their time in the first place. All the shiggles that come from being on a video platform are just icing on the cake.

[@ZX3000GT1]

"You're not important" I mean, I'm apparently important enough for Google to use my data to give me targeted ads and get money from those ad providers. Part of their revenue is from my data so I think I'm important enough for their business.

[@mrbane2000]

Now other privacy concern for me is God himself. What i found out is no matter if i use viber, telegram, messenger, Android itself listens and tracks keywords. Like i called my mother, and we were talking about blander and i said i like banana blending, and i got video about bananas blending on tiktok. Now before that my grandmother said that soldiers cook in military and i got youtube video recommendation how they do it without even googling anything. So that 100% specific and confirmed tracking by Android. I turned of ad tracking and ok Google, and still they listen

[@GabrielTobing]

Just a reminder to everyone that people can dig up things in the past, especially if its on the internet, so if you are a running politician or someone important in the future, your security threat level should've been top notch before hand unless you suddenly want your nudes leaked or something

[@dimman3607]

"Stupid paranoia", i want sooo much for someone to leak Neals personal info like his phone number or his wifes phone number his home address and stuff so he can get a firsthand experience why privacy is important. And see him cry online about it 😂😂

[@mkzhero]

When someone thinks they have the right to decide for someone, and also say 'bla bla bla' more than 3 times, you know for sure they're not right in the head.

[@skeetorkiftwon]

You can have all the privacy you want on the phone you build yourself.

[@rod4309]

Is that hard?

[@skeetorkiftwon]

@@rod4309 it was pretty hard. Lol

[@IncredibleMeep]

This is sadly how things always end with human beings. We can't ever just have anything good, it always has to be corrupted in the end.

[@MisterNightfish]

This guy in the clip comes across like such a condescending douchebag. You don't get to decide if I am important enough to deserve privacy.

[@nybrand]

you obviously don't know Louis

[@Qsie]

The question and the answer, I feel, are unrelated. He is asked about it from a cybersecurity standpoint, and he rails on it from a privacy standpoint. These are two different things. (I say as a network-specializing student with an focus on InfoSec and OpSec. I am currently working on two CompSci degrees (finishing AS, working on BS), and have completed CompTIA's Network+ certification. I feel like a de-Googled phone, or an iPhone, etc. are a good idea, but it's not explicitly necessary for cybersecurity. That's not the focus of these devices. However, if your goal is privacy and better control over your device, then that would fall under my list of recommendations. I believe Neal's just using this moment to rant on that, as he feels like the paranoia of being "hacked" (which, to be fair, is real, but overblown) is causing people to seek solutions to problems they don't have. However, privacy and security have some overlap, and you inherently have certain security assurances (and drawbacks) to a privacy-hardened phone; this is the case vice versa as well. Ultimately, this doesn't give any impression to end users other than a sense of haughty self-righteousness they will come to associate with information security professionals. This, IMO, is a bad foot to step on.

[@kennethM]

Gotta love those double unskippable preroll ads

[@nybrand]

get yt premium

[@Mavendow]

@@nybrand Absolutely not; get AdBlock. KZbin is a terrible service and does not deserve to be paid for their idiotic and manipulative crap.

[@kennethM]

@@nybrand you out here paying for KZbin? That's like paying for Twitter. All jokes aside yeah I'd rather get an ad blocker and donate to KZbinrs than pay for KZbin. I support the creators not really the platform. Especially with how their smart algorithm has basically made my feed stale. I don't even see most of the people I'm subbed to posts anymore. I'll watch one video on one very specific thing and now the algorithm only shows me that like it's my whole personality now instead of the things that i says i actually want to see. So no I'm not going to pay for a platform that i kinda hate.

[@nybrand]

They get paid for my views

[@adacPROKYON]

use an adblocker like the owner of this channel suggested 2 days ago

[@cid-chan-2]

The interesting thing about being important, it means you were always important. Even if it has been decided you're important just a second ago, that person might be interested in what you did in the past. Since you don't know when and why your important and to whom, you need privacy, even if you are unimportant to everyone right now, as in the future that might change.

[@calr134]

Thank you Mr. Louis, this does help clarify the argument around this. I have long felt uncomfortable with the casual, everyday data that is collected by companies and have even argued some similar points to your position. However, I think you gave a well thought out and down to earth reasoning on why privacy is important for regular people. Thank you again and have a good day.

[@farchord]

Oh and also, using a VPN and thinking you're completely anonymous is a bit like someone that stops smoking, but gets himself a vape pen with flavor packs containing nicotine.

[@Mavendow]

Most VPNs are compromised because they're incorporated in a nation which has data sharing agreements with either the U.S. or China. The few that don't _are actually anonymous._ I dislike how people nowadays shit on VPNs not understanding that they're literally the only tool that isn't mostly useless for true anonymity. Even TOR has been compromised.

[@JamesSteeleProjectVideos]

Agree 100%. The “you’re not that important” argument reminds me of the folks who dismiss expansion of domestic surveillance with “well, if you haven’t done anything wrong, you don’t have to worry.” That’s not the point.

[@strangereyes9594]

Its all about feeding the AI. They collect as much stuff as detailed as they can to improve their AI models. That means, no person looks at you through your phone, its an AI. The question is, how much do you want this AI to know about you? Its made to predict you, to form a model of you as a database. Now, do you want that somewhere out there is a dataset with your name on it that is so detailed that it can predict your every move down to if you might quit your job next year to go on a world trip? Do you know what this will be used for at some point in the future? Do you know what impact this already has if it comes to services available to you? Its not about privacy for the AI, it is about "the algorithm" and how much food it can digest. Do you want to feed it? Did anyone ever ask for permission to siphon off your data for that purpose?

[@PvtAnonymous]

it's even worse if an AI looks at the data. AI has no conscience and moral limitations.