You don't need the Mavic 3 Cine!

[@knowmacdonaldmedia]

ProRes is awesome for creators and video production companies. All that pros goodness comes at a cost. It would help if you bought a NAS .

[@memcrew1]

Prores is an editing codec and h.264/265 are deliverable codecs.

[@glazmin9143]

Good video and quite refreshing to listen to a man's man articulate. FWIW, one slightly overlooked item is that the smart controller is incuded in the Cine version for the xtra $2K and not included in the lesser two packages. I'm going to pickup the Cine just so I can play around with 422 in Premiere Pro. Up til now I have only worked with 264.

[@Michael_Galgano]

With drones it's hard to find anything other than say the inspire series that shoots something other than h2.64 and h2.65. You really need to look at dynamic range and color bit depth as h2.64 and 2.65 have come a long, long way in what they can handle.

[@51Drones]

Very well done man! 🤛🏻

[@jamesalexanderbarnettdp9479]

ProRes is an Intra frame (every frame is it’s own entity) codec and H.265 is an inter frame codec (has key frames every so many frames and only calculates the changes in between) so in theory the ProRes should hold up the fine detail in trees quite a bit better, it should also grade better due to the higher bit rate.

[@OriginaldoBo]

Once uploaded to KZbin or streaming services it’s negligible to the “average joe pilot” I use ProRes on my Cinelifters just for the reason that capturing more information allows me to reduce the jello.

[@jamesalexanderbarnettdp9479]

@@OriginaldoBo Yeah man I agree for most people ProRes and the more hefty price tag of the Cine Version probably isn't worth it, that being said why not just grab the Air2s, I have one and the video from it as you know is pretty damn good.

[@mpcaz]

My Air2s and MA2 will do me just fine!

[@nes.torfernandez]

I see myself and many people using ProRes with the cine Version for more flexibility in postproduction but being honest is overkill for most people. I’ve been using the 2 pro and it still does what I need it to do, I’m upgrading only cause I know technology improves user experience as well. Let’s just hope for DJI not limiting the base model to make us go for the expensive version lol

[@dominykaszakrys3373]

I dont need cine but i'll have to get it over standard because stupid DJI Fly app is not compatible with most android smartphones

[@pixelprovideo3586]

I'm looking for a review on the "DNG photos" as a real estate photographer coming from a Phantom 4. I can't find anything.

[@Kovaction]

Completely agree Ken. In fact, unless the Mavic 3 has some really awesome feature that I must have, I'm gonna just keep flying the Mavic 2 Pro until my skills demand I upgrade. Thanks for doing this video! It's really informative.

[@SkonrokkenTV]

In the same boat, pretty happy withy mavic 2 pro. But the bigger sensor for low light is tempting.

[@aaron6516]

Always the truth!! Can't wait to see your review on the M3.... I hope you got your hands on one!!

[@solgoode1]

Not really interested in the Mavic 3. 48 mph would be kind of cool, but the Mavic 2 handles everything just fine, when you can actually take off without interference from the DJI geofencing overlords. I couldn't take off the other day with the mavic 2 so I just used the evo II. There are just too many hoops to jump through with DJI.

[@shb7772000if]

I think it's strange, that no one is allowing you to preorder the mavic 3, just a few days before it's release. Don't they usally do that?

[@truthseeker6804]

Dji isn’t just going to make the difference pro res, they’re going to make that package appealing. Just like how they make their combos appealing.

[@OriginaldoBo]

we will see Friday

[@kentao4]

I felt that last statement about knowing how to leverage your own equipment. I bought a mavic 2 pro a few years ago and was so excited to fly it but didn’t invest in filters and didn’t take the time to really hone in on my settings. I have some video from Sorrento, Italy that would’ve been mind blowing but is noisy as all hell! Even got some blurry stills! I say this to say, Ill bet there will be a lot of people going to the Cine, but still get blown out by people still using their mavic 2 pro. I am sitting on my hands to upgrade to the regular model but until I run into an actual limitation, I can’t justify the jump Thanks again for the info!

[@OriginaldoBo]

Sometimes it takes some time to really hone things in. I get obsessive over things and focus more than I should sometimes

[@kentao4]

@@OriginaldoBo right but you gotta know the basics!

[@charlesnetzler2262]

Only ProRes HD but not regular ProRes right?

[@JoseTheRover]

What people also forget to mention is that a big portion of the $4,999 is the $1,199 remote that it comes with so when you deduct that we're at an $800 difference and for that you get an extra set of ND filters, 1TB of SSD and ProRes.... The question is "are those three things worth $800 for my workflow? I think for 99% the answer is no. We've been making more than due with shitty DJI H265 files.

[@stickfurniture02]

The easiest way to tell them is if you shoot in auto save your money. If you how to use manual it may be of benefit.

[@cuuppaajoe]

Thanks man, great video and explanation. I notice with 10bit H265 from the M2Pro I can scrub like butter on the iPad Pro with LumaFusion. For this reason, if I were getting this drone, I would go with the regular version. I don’t generally edit on FCP. I’m also no professional. Bummer about the remote, but it is what it is. I noticed you mentioned prores is 10 bit. The M3 does do 10bit with the h265/h264 right? I’m also concerned with the fact that if I do throw it in LumaFusion, it is compressed a SECOND time. Which would degrade quality. But like you, I simply don’t see the difference. Maybe in low light?

[@PatrickGuerrisi]

what if I am a hobbyist that uploads videos to KZbin but I do color correct and editing in Premiere Pro. I also use proxies for easier and smoother less sluggish editing. But I mostly upload the final exported to KZbin after editing in Premiere Pro. Would I still fall under the standard Mavic 3 category? Would appreciate your input man

[@OriginaldoBo]

It’s honestly going to boil down to whether or not you want to spend that cash on the Cine at that point

[@PatrickGuerrisi]

@@OriginaldoBo yeh but lets say I got the cash. Do you think its worth it if I mainly ( actually only ) edit and colour grade videos in Premiere Pro to upload to youtube? I still have to export it to something like mp4 h.265 to upload to youtube anyway right?

[@OriginaldoBo]

If you got the cash brother shoot your shot get it man.

[@bobwhite3707]

Doesn't the Cini package also come with 1TB of high speed storage, high speed transfer system and the new version of the smart controller?

[@jasonlevi8059]

Absolutely true.

[@TheForgedReality]

Yeah the smart controller is the reason to get the Cine. Are the cameras supposed to be the same though?

[@jasonlevi8059]

@@TheForgedReality the telephoto camera is only 12mp.

[@TheForgedReality]

@@jasonlevi8059 I meant between the models.

[@RonoTron01]

Thanks for this video, very informative on storage space aspect. Something that I’m now struggling with when I got a fast firing high res mirrorless camera this year. I would not want to be scrubbing thru terabytes of video data just to post few travel highlight videos on FB.

[@krolik552]

Mavic 3 + Media Encoder = Mavic 3 Cine

[@TheKSpot]

Great video, glad someone is saying this, 100% agree, unfortunately I think lots i people will still buy it because it’s the most expensive and they have to have the best. Same happens with the pro 2

[@kennyrefaeli50]

will this fit on the 7 inch tab as well ???

[@AerialPixel]

Great video as usual Ken! Another key point for us DaVinci Resolve users, ProRes is not natively supported in Resolve, clips must be converted to DLog by a 3rd party software prior to bringing it in and doing the color grade. I personally will not be getting the Cine version of the M3.

[@lag3432]

I don’t use apple so I’m not able to use prores, correct?

[@OriginaldoBo]

You can, I don’t edit most of my videos on my Mac. Most are done on my windows machine. Premiere and Davinchi can process the files no issues

[@adnan_velic]

I find it pretty difficult to color match the mavic 2 pro to my xt4 in post. I think the regular mavic 3 with the M4/3 sensor will probably get me closer to the xt4 and that’s why I would buy one. The prores is no big deal honestly I rarely use my atomos with my fuji as I don’t see that much more flexibility in post compared to h265. Also the m1 MacBook handles fuji h265 very nicely, heck my iPad Pro eats h265 for breakfast.

[@aqualife88]

Hello! I would appreciate if anyone can help! Can I insert an external SD card to help with the limited 8gb of storage on the mavic 3? If so, say I insert a 64gb card and run out of room for footage during my session, and need to insert a new SD card. Am I able to take out the first SD card and immediately download it onto the computer? Also, when recording, I'm afraid my video will somehow split and some will be saved onto internal storage and some may be on my SD card. Can I make it to where it's all saved on the SD card to avoid getting split? Last question, for footage saved solely on the internal 8gb storage, if I want to upload this onto my laptop I have to have the whole drone plugged into my laptop right? THANK YOU!! !!

[@joelcathey]

Doesn’t mention the extra gear that comes with the cine, but still good info.

[@Mrkck913]

No wonder why these are coming with TB storages... Makes sense now. Thx

[@alsey7]

you hit the nail in the head. Most will never fully use ProRes. and they will be happy with h265. Personally i don't plan on buying a mavic 3 Cine, because i own a Inspire 2 with X7 lens and CinamaDNG license. its better to spend money and upgrade their Computer

[@OriginaldoBo]

I rather see people up the machine processing the image. They will thank me later

[@benverrette669]

Probably the best advice out there. Well said. If you have the cash buy a better computer. I’m curious to know what the difference is between the M2P & M3P.

[@Bill14886]

Great video Ken, you made it as clear as possible to understand. I certainly would have no Need for cine version of the Mavic 3 . My air 2 S does everything I’d want with my 5 batteries

[@albas4923]

For this price (more than 4000$) does a inspire 2 (or 1) may not be better for professional footage 🤔?

[@managerofthenewportplumses301]

Thank you for sharing and the simplicity in your explanation for us non-neophytes who are tech savvy but not to the point of understanding the differences in the codecs! Thank you.

[@OriginaldoBo]

Anytime

[@managerofthenewportplumses301]

@@OriginaldoBo Forgot to ask but what is your view on whether if we have a Mavic 2 Pro already on what the advantages will be in actual footage quality of getting a 3? I see fly time will be longer which is an obvious plus. Also what about our controllers if we already have a DJI controller for the 2 will it work with the 3? From what I have seen and heard - sounds like it won't . . .

[@speedball10169]

@@managerofthenewportplumses301 I doubt the controllers would work if they're advertising a brand new version for the cine. They even changed the normal controllers for the A2S and the Mini 2 so I would assume a regular controller would look similar to those.

[@managerofthenewportplumses301]

@@speedball10169 - I assumed so

[@Dpixtion]

Do you think someone will develop a LUT that could make other drones look like the pro Cine style? You hit the nail on the head at 9:30.

[@ThinLineMedia]

Need ProRes ? Just convert your H.265 to ProRes and enjoy!

[@medialegend]

Thanks for the explanation of ProRes. That makes complete sense. My aim is to buy the flymore combo with the smart controller. I don't need ProRes or the extra onboard capacity. I'm hoping that combination won't be too much more than 3 grand.

[@jasonlevi8059]

Absolutely agree. Regarding the rest of the super hyped Mavic3 all the features are available in the Autel Evo2 Pro at $1800. The Evo 2 Pro is 6K video drone with one Sony 20 mp 8x zoom camera. 40 minutes flying time and an sd card up to 1 tetrabyte.

[@will1977a]

Meh, I picked up an E2P 6 months ago after years of flying DJI stuff. It’s okay for stills, but it just doesn’t fly like a DJI drone. Very difficult to get smooth footage. Image transmission isn’t nearly as good as Ocusync either. I like how quiet it is, and the interface is easy to use.

[@RonaldBrown59]

Thanks for explaining it so well, and I agree that most of us don't need ProRes. And even more great advice about updating your computer for these large video files coming out of the Mavic 3. See you at SpinUp.

[@KAPOPRO]

Agree with you, we don’t need ProRes for KZbin videos at all. This m3 cine is way too expensive if you not making movies or profesional work, even for music videos M2 pro is enough or air 2s

[@robertcallaway3821]

Ken, I love this vid. Very clear and concise. No fluff, but done very professionally

[@prskyviews]

I dont feel safe with 4,500$ flying

[@ChristiaanRoest79]

More than 4500$

[@whitham1961]

The fact is, I was so hyped into buying the Cine version but after watching this video a few times you put the reality of the Cine purchase is not for me at all. So, what am I going to do? Buy the Mavic 3 combo version with a Tripletec pro tablet and I honestly believe that would be the best decision. Original, thank you for clarifying what ProRes is intended for and it’s not intended for me. Plus I save a few bucks at that.

[@unclebuck5957]

I am looking at the M1 which one did you buy you are much more up on this than I . Thanks for the great videos

[@jakestyles002]

Nice job. I really appreciate the "no nonsense" approach of your content. Thank you for your work.

[@OriginaldoBo]

I appreciate you taking the time to watch the stuff I put out

[@SkonrokkenTV]

Good video! Makes it understandable. Will be going from Mavic 2 pro to Mavic 3 regular fly more combo. And this was posted before the launch, but prices are a bit steeper! Unless you really really need prores 422 hq (gigantic file sizes), can't see too many people buying the cine version. For 5k vs 3k USD for the fly more combo of the regular version. To be honest editing and grading in h.265 on Resolve from my mavic 2 pro, and nearly obsolete computer does fine. Ok older dual cpu 36 core workstation, so not your average pc. But old now. Mostly upgrading for better resolution and 4/3 sensor and low light. Still not happy with remote controller, wish they had retained led from mavic 2 pro with flight info.

[@OriginaldoBo]

We will have to see how it all performs , I’m going to be optimistic

[@wakefulonesees]

All I do is mapping, I’m not concerned about the price, should I get the pro res?

[@OriginaldoBo]

Base would be fine

[@wakefulonesees]

@@OriginaldoBo thanks

[@shb7772000if]

Thanks. I'm planning on buying the Mavic 3. Now I know, just to get the regular one. I never want to do any post production anyway.

[@maslaten]

Thank you Ken for that information. Helped a lot. Mavic 2 Pro x2 owner, think my next purchase will be Mavic Enterprise Advanced.

[@LensCaptureOnline]

Clearly explained. Thanks for taking the time.

[@juangarcia1974]

Stone cold! I love it, that being said, the explanation would save people a lot of money, time, space, headaches and much more, good job buddy!

[@dalehoward62]

Ken.............I did watch a few videos of you drinking on set and I agree with Drone Dude. A bit out of character. You are a smart guy. No need for alcohol. Just bought the EVO 2 Pro 6K V.2 and the S.C. V.2............................Love coming your way from Canada.

[@VideographyHG]

Thanks for the info, but do you know if the standard version comes with any other profile to shoot in 4.2.2 10 bit?

[@OriginaldoBo]

Yes you’ll still have 8bit 4.2.0 and 10bit 4.2.0

[@alexandersmith6165]

I have the Z Cam E2-F6 flagship and Atomos Ninja V. Bought an 8 core 2TB 64gb Ram 16" MacBook pro (Intel) in 2020. The set up pretty much bankrupt me. But i don't care, have my gear and am soon to be back able to live adventure and travel, so can hopefully begin to see a return.. I've waited a long time for this drone. Would be awesome to output drone and cinecam Pro Res 422. Final cut user too. Looking forward to seeing the beast reviewed Ken.

[@OriginaldoBo]

Thanks man! I literally crashed the Z cam last night on my cineLifter and the thing came out unscathed lol such a beast camera

[@alexandersmith6165]

@@OriginaldoBo Noooo! Good to hear it survived. Yep, they're built like tanks!

[@dailydrivenH2]

Is all about how and what for you use your drone . here in Los Angeles there's some people I know with quite a few clients that request ProRes . so far I had not jumped on the ProRes train yet but if I can get my hands on something smaller $$$$ than a Inspire 2 that can produce prores I sure will . nice video as always .

[@CoasttoCoastDrones]

yeah ...but they are gonna crap on us with the smart controller ...not give it to us in the standard fly more ..and then make us pay a grand for it seperately ...which blows bro !!

[@danielporterAZ]

If you have to ask “what is ProRes?” Then you don’t need it.

[@DrMacca]

60GB for 5 minutes.....my shithouse computer would explode trying to edit something like that! Great explainer. 👍

[@timelapsega]

Prores is optimized for editing, would edit much smoother than something like H.265.

[@solo8820]

Funny how sometimes editing can mask any camera used. I saw a DJI FPV camera mistaken for one costing tens of thousands more by experts in the cine world. I’m just an average drone guy, but Ken broke this down to where I could understand that I’ll be just fine with the $2000 version. I don’t even need the Fly more combo. One 40 minute battery is usually more then enough time for me to shoot. Let alone (3) 40 minute batteries.

[@PrimalDrones]

Great professional advice. Thank you Dobo!

[@lightexplorer]

Excellent video. Exactly what I was looking for and helped me make a decision.

[@ShotInTheDark]

DaVinci resolve doesn’t handle pro-res.

[@1991jarryd]

Great video, just keeping it simple and easy to understand The cine version is way more than the majority of people will ever need, and then even if they want to use ProRes they will have to go and drop some decent coin on a high quality computer

[@jean-chridrone6026]

I agree. Having such a great pro3 and don’t know how to post prod, it will be sad. Even with the mini2, you can have very good quality after post production. Thanks for you great video 🤩

[@shb7772000if]

Will the non CINE version of the Mavic Pro 3 record HDR?

[@OriginaldoBo]

Technically yes

[@aazerosix]

Off topic but, did the issue you had with the air 2s glitching get resolved with updates or do you still notice severe lag from time to time?

[@OriginaldoBo]

yeah its been solid

[@andychapman9687]

Brilliant, love your way of saying how it is, straight to the point, totally get it.

[@OneOfTheRobs]

Well done Ken. Your making it very understandable. If you didnt have your youtube channel would you buy the Mavic 3 cine for real estate work?

[@PhlytZone]

Awesome explanation of Prores. Makes it easier for me to now to make the decision. I agree in taking the money and upgrading the computer. Thank you.

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

That's it! New favourite real taker 🔥

[@mikehays6526]

What is the difference between H264 and H265?

[@OriginaldoBo]

one is more efficient, H.2655 is slightly smaller on the final export

[@mikehays6526]

Thanks Keep up the good work

[@FlyZoneFpv]

This is perfect. Ken you explained it perfectly. 👍

[@SCAerialsSteveCarpenter]

Hey Ken, excellent presentation and stuffed with a lot of quality information. Your explanations were presented very well and easy to understand for the none tech’s. This will hopefully help the no e tech’s. Well Done

[@SunriseWaterMedia]

I agree with the above comment. 🌞

[@chrishilton6378]

Great summary Ken, thanks. Can you comment on the availability of the new smart controller as an add on to the fly more non-cine version? I'm not a prores fan but I'm sure clients will ask for it even though it isn't all that useful IMO. ROI in 2 months instead of 1 but still.

[@OriginaldoBo]

wont know until Friday

[@chrishilton6378]

@@OriginaldoBo Was that a won't know or a can't say? 😄

[@DestinyCreatesEntertainment]

i use zcam too!

[@HermanLeung909]

That's the review I need! Thanks

[@Lokere]

we are waiting for november 5 in russia the first deliveries of mavic 3

[@janmajnik6889]

Why the hell is there a 2500 usd gap just because of prores? I am confused. Does the cine have more features? It has to, come on. Wouldn't hardcore pros just get the Inspire?

[@OriginaldoBo]

SSD and smart controller, pro res licensing etc

[@ChristiaanRoest79]

@@OriginaldoBo yes and more filters

[@ChristiaanRoest79]

I sold my inspire 2 with x7 camera and 4 lenses for 8k. Dont like to carry the inspire 2 arround anymore and setting it up every time. Annoying. I definitely will buy the cine version.

[@filmyzrajdow]

Yes, agree, saving money for upgrading computer or just pick less gigs and spend more time with the family.

[@henriquemarques3495]

Great explanation. Straight to the point.

[@ChristiaanRoest79]

Nice video. Does the macbook m1 pro sell for 2k? Which one did you buy?

[@OriginaldoBo]

14inch M1 10core 16 core GPU

[@ChristiaanRoest79]

@@OriginaldoBo Thx buddy! I am looking for a fast laptop. I have a 10k pc with fast gpu but would also like to have a fast laptop.

[@sonicpegasus]

Damn your attitude and content has improved big time

[@rstp2001]

Great Info as always!!! 👍👍

[@DroneShowLive]

Thank you very useful information 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@maciejk3348]

Well said Ken. Thanks for the info. Love your channel. Cheers from Ireland 🇮🇪👍

[@Emdrone1]

Mac Mini M1 16gig Ram and just proxy all your files! I shoot with the Sony a7sIII 4K 120 frames and it’s like butter when I’m editing with this set up! Oh M3? I’ll wait Evo II Pro 6k and Air2s is getting the job done! Lol

[@OriginaldoBo]

Got the mini M1 it’s ok but still struggles, M1 pro not a single slow down

[@Emdrone1]

@@OriginaldoBo I heard that M1 Pro is absolutely insane don’t make me do it!!! Lol did you get the iMac or a MacBook?

[@agentspion]

Great explanation. I would honestly have gotten the Cine version if I were to buy it when it releases, but now I'll settle with the lesser version, although with the smart controller :) I did not know about ProRes, so great info! Keep up the good work!

[@jefefpv1695]

I enjoy all of your videos! Thanks. Can’t wait to see the Mavic 3 review.

[@santanat.7206]

Is KZbin considered social media?

[@mixchifius]

just curios Ken, what MacBook did you get?

[@OriginaldoBo]

14 inch M1pro 1tb storage 10 core processor 16 core GPU and 16gigs of ram

[@mixchifius]

@@OriginaldoBo 16 Gigs of RAM are enough?

[@beetlebailey]

I donated the SpinUp ticket 🎟 I had available to a school drone club, fyi

[@mzilec]

Thank you!

[@danmontoya1102]

Thanks for explaining the difference

[@FLYGUYMERRILL]

Great breakdown of the Cine version definitely not the version for me at the moment....flymore combo it is

[@DE-signYourLife]

..even hobbiest needs ProRes cause it makes editing much more easier

[@sbc350]

When will we see a v-copter review? :D

[@OriginaldoBo]

Can’t seem to buy them, but for 1500 fuck that

[@sbc350]

@@OriginaldoBo horrible price for a gimmick. But would be nice to hear you roast it tho 😃

[@hakaiyou4532]

Thnx for explaining