"You Only Have 18 Viewers..." | Vtuber Berates Small Streamer, Lies and Gets Called Out

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[@N4g4r1d3r]

"He looks very privileged." "The way he talks, tells a lot about how much privilege he has" The fuck does that even mean?!

[@TimaeusShinryu]

it means "I am a racist, but by insulting a white guy, it helps hide my racism of a certain ethnic group cuz its cool to hate/attack them in todays age"

[@JordanWheeler1999]

twitch streamers talk the samething mostly

[@TimaeusShinryu]

oh i guess youtube didnt like my comment calling it "Ra**ist!"

[@JordanWheeler1999]

@@TimaeusShinryu lol

[@Atmatan]

This is what happens when someone holds up a mirror in front of themselves but still thinks they're talking to the person on the other side. More people should've taken the 'black Mirror' metaphor more literally.

[@hoppy8008]

Meanwhile bub only had 50 CCV: Her ego flew not even too close to sun but into the solar core itself.

[@selenang2006]

Imagine what she is like if its 5k ccv 😂

[@gachagamer536]

​@@selenang2006probably deplatforms anyone they don't like till she gets outed 🙄

[@jimmytsunami5275]

@@selenang2006 she would already be cooked and died

[@ProvectusNova]

She probably saw that "Congrats! you're Top 0.xx% on Twitch" message and then her ego skyrocketed lol

[@zenovia1004]

​@@selenang2006she mocking Pewd probably seem pewd being everyone punching bag when they pissed off.

[@gintanga4002]

Even her "apology" tries to deflect the blame on other people instead of owning up to it

[@Ruzkiel]

Can't wait for the edit of that clip with an overlay of a ukulele and song.

[@StochasticUniverse]

It's darkly hilarious that she had the gall to call OTHER people privileged when she has such an entitled attitude, herself.

[@xxxvyaasas7999]

She isn't just trying to deflect blame, she is also using her apology to hide her insecurities and her inherent racism.

[@JoCaTen]

If you're being a VTuber but resort to such acts, I don't think you're fit to be a VTuber let alone a streamer...

[@HyattHyatt3179]

Right? If you're a big streamer, especially Vtuber shouldn't you want to make a smaller streamer's stream better rather than annoy them? Also why is it always the partnered vtubers that very few people know?

[@JACQUEZJOHNSON23]

yup once she resort to I got more money and more views than u she already lost

[@JoCaTen]

@@HyattHyatt3179 rewatch the video and think, that'll answer your question. Basically, they're partnered, sure but they haven't really done much to be known like many other VTubers we know. Charity streams, donothons, sponsors, merch, you get the idea

[@digivagrant]

Sounds pretty standard to being trashy Twitch Streamer

[@chaudspieler]

Bub and Anntan are a disgrace to all VTubers!

[@akiraguy]

> get banned. > Surprised Pikachu face > Whine on X > Get destroyed with community notes > More surprised Pikachu face

[@kelpopunch5923]

I know everyone got their own past trauma , but using past trauma as an excuse is getting old and meaningless because, usually, they don't mean it and only use it as a shield or to gather sympathy. Don't miss understanding. I'm not saying their past trauma is fake or anything.

[@HyattHyatt3179]

Real or not this isn't even trauma correlated. It's not "I was rude to xyz vtuber because I was about to have a panic attack or intermittent explosive disorder" or any crap like that. It was deciding to be toxic and rude for no reason to a small streamer. She didn't even do it by mistake because she got nervous or tired and defaulted to bad jokes, she admitted herself in the clip that she wanted to go annoy him. Blaming trauma is 1. Never actually an excuse just a reason. 2. Only a reason when it's actually connected to your trauma and at least kind of makes sense. You can't go "I got robbed at a circus, so now I'm racist online" like it makes no sense. As for this specific example, bringing up past trauma or having had racist remarks directed at them isn't really relevant information. Simply saying "Sorry I'm not fluent in English and didn't realize how bad of a word it was." Would be way better, as now it sounds like they want people to feel sorry for them because they can relate to this horrible thing. It comes off a bit more like wanting to save face rather than genuinely feeling sorry. Obviously she shouldn't get harassed either. She got called out, faced the consequences, so now all we can really do is hope she learns from it, and gets better from whatever reason she was in the Hospital for.

[@NormalCardBoardBoxes]

No you’re right and I agree with what you’re saying.

[@r4ijin1994]

Not only that but also using past trauma is NOT an excuse. The fact that someone did something to you thus it is ok to do the same is wrong on so many levels. Excuse me your honor someone in the past stabbed me so I stabbed someone in return. Or excuse me your honor because I was bullied in kindergarten so I bullied the quiet kid and they hung themselves but it is not my fault because I was also bullied. STOP. BEING. VICTIMS. AND. BE. NORMAL. HUMAN. BEINGS.

[@varnix1006]

Trauma only explains present behavior, it does not excuse present behavior.

[@gaerekxenos]

@@HyattHyatt3179 "I got robbed at a circus, so now I'm racist online"...? That one... actually kinda can be a reason, or a contribution to it =/ It isn't a good one, but it is a contribution that can make some sense But in this particular scenario, I do agree that the racism wasn't necessary at all. It's not particularly prompted in the first place. The reasons used in the so called apology don't really make much sense even if they were the reality... 'I was nervous'...? Yeah, I don't think that's a good reason at all. If that is the 'reason' then it'd seem like whoever you are with behave in that sort of manner and you're 'trying to fit in' which looks worse for everyone else

[@NuclearWintr]

If only that would happen to Uki. Dudes said worse about white people.

[@anon_2614]

uki is such a miserable dude, i remember he told a story of an old couple saying hi to him, and was trying to be nice to him and the guy was just shitting on the couple for no reason and used white as a insult like who hurt this guy

[@bluebird1914]

​@@anon_2614 A lot of people I'd imagine, dude is gay and presumably asian so I wouldn't be surprised if he's had a lot of people be shitty to him because of that. That's no reason to be the way he is, but I can see why he'd become that type of person.

[@TENthe10th]

Same goes for 39daph. Still streaming...

[@techead23]

He's just a meme now to everyone that doesn't watch him

[@maryam-nusa]

⁠@@TENthe10tharen’t 39daph and uki friends?

[@thelastwindwaker7948]

The sheer audacity to outright say "Imma go annoy them" and then turn around and act like they did nothing wrong.

[@JordanWheeler1999]

lmao ikr

[@pianoteddybear]

The going to annoy someone could have been a bit, but then it became racism

[@ZeroCalamityYT]

@@pianoteddybear all 3 of them were in the guy's chat

[@pianoteddybear]

@@ZeroCalamityYT oh yeahhhhhh that is bad. I thought it was teehee going to annoy IN GAME

[@ProvectusNova]

Toxic gaming behaviour at its finest.

[@UncensoredScion]

You know I think we're all sick of seeing "OH NO! Consequences for my actions!!!"

[@cdgonepotatoes4219]

The comedic effect has already come and gone. A joke doesn't last longer than 3 repetitions, 4 with a twist. Now it's just stating matter of fact, all comedy in saying it is dead

[@xxxvyaasas7999]

There is a cycle for these types of people: 1. Finds out their take is bad 2. Double down on take 3. Claim people who disagree are racist 4. Claim drama channels are full of n*zis 5. Claim people who disagree are pdf files 6. Gets exposed to be a person who are one or all of the things they claim others are. Cycle continues.

[@Craze961]

To see her actively deflecting, gaslighting, and manipulating under the guise of past trauma is actual bullshit. In or out of context, all of what was said should have never been said or directed at anyone.

[@8thS1nn]

18 genuine viewers is priceless shout out to those guys and gals.

[@TENthe10th]

Imagine playing video games with 18 other guys just chilling. That's a lot of people in one room.

[@haowig]

18 viewers is like within the top 5% of streamers, its nothing to mock or scoff at, especially by someone who is a streamer and should be empathetic to how difficult it can be to garner that amount of people

[@corncobbob2326]

and quality over quantity, i'd rather have 18 people that are friendly than an entire crowd that allows or even encourage actions as bad as what that streamer and her friends did

[@MisterTBag]

18 viewers is amazing. Any more than 10 is outstanding. I average 2-4 per stream and I'm happy with that and have a good time!

[@GlassesnMouthplates]

He got 200+ viewers in one of his recent streams.

[@GhaniArjuna]

One thing is for sure, the opportunity for her to join Nijisanji will be wide open, Nijisanji is looking for people like her

[@leiderhosen7110]

No, she is much too charismatic, polite, and open minded for Kurosanji, but I think she can get there with a little more effort.

[@EpicBattleToaster]

​@@leiderhosen7110a little less braincells and i think she's good to join niji

[@cdgonepotatoes4219]

I'm not sure, I thought only the male vtubers were allowed to have the run of the show?

[@quantumtwinspark283]

Typical narc behaviour right there. Failing to see how her actions may have impacted somebody and refusing to take responsibility and trying to make excuses between every failed apology.

[@JordanWheeler1999]

yah

[@jimmytsunami5275]

“Of CoUrSe It’S a WhItE mAn” And I thought Uki wasn’t bad enough

[@zulzul-c1r]

I mean, Uki isn't any better.

[@shinyamada488]

​@@zulzul-c1r+ Non cooker and non kisser right here fellas

[@ProvectusNova]

@@zulzul-c1r At least he didn't harass someone in particular (...I think?), he just hates the group in general, which is still bad but at least he doesn't "get personal" you know.

[@EpicBattleToaster]

​@@ProvectusNovain the scale of 1 to bad of racism,i think both of them are in the solid 7

[@NoOneatallworthy]

​@@EpicBattleToasterin their own way, I can see that

[@crackbot]

all i got from this is that bub is an apparently open racist that hangs around other racists.

[@JordanWheeler1999]

yah, twitch/youtubers likes to act high and mighty i talked to @FactFiend in his twitch stream in chat and banned me because i was "talking back" or was having a "disagreeable conversation" and then him and his friends mocked or made fun of me afterwards and i think one of them said "oh he will make another account" like okay buddy

[@pancakification3610]

True!

[@corncobbob2326]

@@JordanWheeler1999 any screenshots of this? that behavior definitely shouldn't be continuing.

[@JordanWheeler1999]

@corncobbob2326 the twitch name is karlswood. All I gotta say is watch his behavior, he talks about anything but seems like an aggressive type.

[@gandalfwisdom]

​@JordanWheeler1999 YES dude I've had such a huge issue with fact fiend because I used to be a huge fan of him but the way he treats people is insanely arrogant and entitled. He belittles other people's viewpoints and bans/blocks anyone with an opinion he doesn't like.

[@TamagoSenshi]

"My trauma" Trauma? He was just upset at playing DBD with someone that didn't play the way he wanted, there's no relation to any trauma. "I'm not here to defend myself" my ass

[@13-bit-kitten]

11:48 "we all act a certain way when our past tra-" NO. No amount of trauma justifies being a butthole.

[@SeanStrife]

Also, that's a load of bullshit. I've got plenty of trauma myself... I don't take it out on other people. People process trauma different ways... trauma can EXPLAIN someone's behavior, but it never justifies it.

[@Amir_404]

​@@SeanStrife That is going to far. Clearly trauma can justify some behaviors. Would you fault a vet for skipping an important social event because there are fireworks? I am not defending them. I am just saying don't throw actual trauma victims under the same bus as liars and bullies.

[@mr.bitches6263]

​@@Amir_404 thanks for the nothing burger brodie. I think we all know that that's a completely different level of trauma separate from whatever their b.s. is, doesn't really need to be said.

[@Valentina-kf3mm]

@@Amir_404trauma never justifies bullying people. That is what they’re trying to say

[@luminatrixfanfiction]

@@Amir_404 No amount of trauma justifies bullying. What are you smoking?

[@Shadow_Fox71]

She would get along great with uki

[@pancakification3610]

Best comment goes to you.

[@EpicBattleToaster]

​@@RubyD683 being racist

[@xxxvyaasas7999]

@@RubyD683 Uki is a well known racist against white people. There was one incident which stood out (not the only one mind you there are a lot you can check it out) where an elderly couple said hello and smiled at him which made him so angry to the point where he went on an hour long rant on how white people are shit.

[@AgentVector13]

@@RubyD683he talk a lot of racist stuff toward white people and literally nijisanji did not punish him for that cuz you know favoritism

[@pancakification3610]

@@RubyD683 Uki has made many racist remarks as well about whites.

[@KeebeThePlush]

She tired to hide her doings

[@ivyproductions7097]

She really called her racist remarks “harmless” and blamed it on people being sensitive. What a joke

[@JordanWheeler1999]

lol

[@azrienstewartenasen1508]

also weaponizing trauma. what a complete joke.

[@skyrimlover777]

No matter what kind of racist people are, its always the same excuse lmao

[@FloppyFiona]

How does Ann expect me to believe that "Of course he's a white man" was just a description of his lighter skin tone, and definitely not racist at all? She was clearly insulting him, and even what she said afterwards proved her racism. It's not an "I was racist by accident" type of situation

[@_Skylaa]

For me, speaking french, that sound juste like a bullshit excuse

[@ProvectusNova]

Imaging saying "of course he's a black man" and thinking "it was just a description of his lighter skin tone", c'mon, even though english isn't my native language, I can clearly infer that there was something *really* wrong about their statement.

[@DogKacique]

Her point is kinda moot when hours latter (crazy how much time time they spent talking about it) she said that he "should be SHOT" Her bullying this random guy was intentional, definitely not a mistake by being ESL

[@kreatorkeon4478]

Bub’s apology is more fake than Patrick and SpongeBob’s mustaches from the first movie.

[@MadManwithaSpoon]

Those mustaches gave them the confidence to make it all the way to shell city. Infinitely more of a positive force than anything that group could possibly be.

[@mr.bitches6263]

"apology" 😭

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

​@@MadManwithaSpoonTechnically they're gaslighted by Mindy but yeah it did serve something positive lol

[@BioMatic2]

I love when people say "Im sorry..." and then they keep talking like fucking idiots "Im sorry that you felt way" "Im sorry that people felt hurted" "Im sorry that my actions were interpreted that way" the second person actually showed that is not that hard to pull a decent apology( even if it comes after throwing a tantrum) "Im sorry let met to explain myself but know that this is in no way a justification " and more importantly "Im sorry FOR MY ACTIONS" the second one is not perfect but at least its a fucking apology. Thats why people should not let go of worms that try to scurry away with half assed apologies, because is not that hard.

[@matrielle]

The second piece of garbage is deflecting hard, using "cultural differences" as a shield. In no way "privilege White boy" is the equivalent of "blondinet riche" which is by the way, still used in a very racist way by a very specific "minority" in the country that POS resides.

[@ProvectusNova]

I know that's probably a formality but when they do that (saying things like "Im sorry that *_my actions were interpreted that way_* ") they sound so disingenuous and oblivious about the subject that they're supposed to directly address.

[@Koshzyl]

First spookn's video, then THIS???!!? Welp.... She's cooked.... And her friend as well

[@lordhezen5626]

Bub is so disingenuous. Claiming she has proof of the smaller streamers wrong doing despite her clearly being the bad person. Anntan at least apologised but the switch up is insane. And I watched the clips… what past trauma was triggered exactly? Getting ganked in a video game?

[@xXSamir44Xx]

The "wrong doings" of the other streamer was being better at the game than her. DbD is unfortunately a community full of people that genuinely think anyone that doesn't play by their metrics of what's fair is a terrible person.

[@lordhezen5626]

@@xXSamir44Xx I’ve heard the community for DbD was bad but actually seeing it in action, from streamers no less, is so bizarre

[@catta11]

@@lordhezen5626 there are genuinely people in the DBD community who will argue you are a dangerous psychopath IRL if you win a match too quickly without giving the enemy team the chance to come back

[@MisterTBag]

​@@xXSamir44Xx​ playing for memes is the best metric 💪🙃

[@Jonesman64]

"clips that benefits their side of the story" - gurl thats called evidence

[@KinotheHedgehog]

I remember this! She harassed a viewer shamed a streamer because they were playing against her as a first-time Trickster in DBD in a way she didn't like. Absolutely horrible that she'd use racial insults too.

[@bossnonlinonliyoyo]

Bro i'm French and "un blondinet riche" does not sound good lmao, it's still derogatory and someone would get mad at you But at least her apology is better than bub

[@matrielle]

And there is no way in hell that it was what they meant anyway. Pretty sure they thought more like "ce ptain de babtoo bourge" considering the tone. It wasn't playful and there is no excuses.

[@zeroreality4812]

I saw the thumbnail and thought "No way that's Bub!". She was so cool back during the Genshin days, hate that it's come to this but it's good that it did. We need this type if behavior exposed and outed from the community and let it prove a point to other vtubers/streamers who have a similar mindset.

[@JordanWheeler1999]

i guess we need this to teach people like her a lesson

[@mr.bitches6263]

"Damn, you was the man back then"

[@monkeydluffy5054]

It always toxic players that do these sore loser stuff

[@Cortanis001]

That "apology" was weak at best. They're not sorry. They're sorry they were caught. They made it particularly clear that they knew exactly what they were saying and doing in context with the video. Viewers have a right to be mad when the person they've invested their time into rips off a mask like that revealing them to be a genuinely terrible racist person like that. Don't harass them though. Just walk away. They're not worth your time or effort to deal with.

[@SpoiltLittlePrincess]

That streamer is an absolute clown. Going into another chat to talk shit with her friends in front of an audience, but she didn't start drama and doesn't like it? What a complete joke.

[@StefanVeenstra]

That's the most subtle insincere apology I've read in weeks.

[@TurtleChad1]

Twitch should make it indefinite.

[@Pohvi]

and nothing of value would be lost

[@MilesGoudy]

Agreed.

[@darthchewee]

Wasn't covered but the ban ended after just 2 days

[@MilesGoudy]

@@darthchewee Just 2? JUST FUCKING 2?

[@lucky4d725]

@@MilesGoudy honestly....is anyone actually surprised ?

[@wren842]

Why are other people on Twitter accepting the apology? It isn't for them or up to them whether or not the bullies should be forgiven. It should be up to the victim and nobody else.

[@NealCamerlengo]

Look how quickly people forgave Logan Paul. That's why I agree with people who basically says giving second chances is a crapshoot. Either they'll learn from it and actually be a better person or they lie and double downs on continuing to be a jerk.

[@FunyunRob]

“My past trauma allows me to be racist guys! Don’t you get it?!”

[@TENthe10th]

Imagine it: "It's my trauma so I choose the coping mechanism, ni-"

[@aemiliaj-score8000]

Lmao I didn't say it > well i did but it was harmless remarks > it's actually out of context > i actually hate bullying > I don't like drama > i actually didn't start it Bro she's an expert of downplaying and reflecting her own statements lmao

[@KaliStarchaser]

The best thing to come out of this, he was livestreaming earlier and had almost 400 viewers and climbing! Good job community!

[@selenang2006]

1 non apology and 1 fake apology. They really belong together. 😂

[@LichCrypt]

"I'm gonna fling dung at an industrial fan... Wait why am I getting covered in dung?! This is so unfair!"

[@andremorr]

So we have an "apology"(???) and an "apology". The first one is bs and the second one is manipulative. All that stuff like "So I was sick (pity me) and I feel bad that I said that, cause I know how this racist stuff feels (pity me) but you see in french it's okay". Cool. Nice job.

[@EpicBattleToaster]

Notice how the second one starts with "i was sick and just got out of the hospital" yap as if that justifies what she said

[@Lurker144p]

"I'm only human" every back paddler ever

[@HelloKittySGTC]

As a white man I'll forgive them if they arent hypocrites and say the N word.

[@TENthe10th]

Lol imagine

[@jirokure]

Lmao. An "apology" deflecting the blame to the friends, and the friend with the "past trauma" triggering excuse outta nowhere. Doesn't sound like any of them is sorry for what they did.

[@melantharosewood]

I just keep getting more and more reasons why I’m cautious of watching indie v-tubers, because for some reason, other than Nijisanji v-tubers, I’ve only ever seen indie v-tubers act like this, barely any corporate v-tubers do this. And she needs to grow up, she’s way too old to be doing this catty mean girl act.

[@mrbimbim9459]

Sad but same. I want to try new indies but I keep seeing new gen vtubers acting like this and I just resort to the vtubers I already watch/know

[@melantharosewood]

@@mrbimbim9459if there is anything that I learned the hard way with the Tricky situation a month ago, do not get too attached to any indie v-tubers, not even just that, just don’t grow too attached to someone who is fairly popular and always expect the unexpected and brace yourself.

[@melantharosewood]

@@mrbimbim9459if there is anything I learned the hard way with the Tricky situation, don’t get too attached to any indie vtubers you like. Easily applies to any non-vtuber Internet personalities and celebs. Always expect the unexpected. Hence why I’m not even surprised that there is yet another mean girl vtuber with an ego.

[@Bloodstar6078]

I'm more worried about messing up my youtube recommendations if I accidentally watch some bigot but I haven't seen thw bad stuff yet. Half the time youtube tries to push those people anyways. Haven't spent as much time on twitch so idk. Only watch people I know I like. To OP... it shouldn't be that surprising if you read any comment sections. There's some nasty and ignorant people, and yes, a lot of those people are gonna be the same in person/stream.

[@HyattHyatt3179]

Unfortunately it's pretty common in the small-medium, and medium-big indie spheres. A lot of medium indie vtubers try to make it seem like they support all the small creators, but it's mostly done as a way to look better, and at the same time they view themselves as being in the big leagues which causes crap like this. I watch a few indies, but as soon as they start with certain patterns "adopt" or cozy up to much smaller streamers, and start talking about cons and meeting big streamers as if they're close friends, without the bigger vtuber mentioning them, then I usually take a few steps back. You can also sort of discover this behavior by looking at how much and the type of twitter content they post, and how they interact with their chat. You'll also notice a difference between how many people act like this who have been into vtubing for a long time, and who got into it after 2021.

[@97Multiphantom]

Uki 2.0 just dropped!

[@LuckyFoxLin]

The thing I don’t get about Anntan’s apology is like… she’s so ashamed of being racist and using a word she didn’t realize was racist… *BUT CLEARLY RUDELY SAYING THAT SOMEONE IS WHITE AND THEY GOT PRIVILEGE ETC. ISN’T OBVIOUS ENOUGH???* People need to realize that prejudice against someone because of their race, is racist. Period end of story. You’re looking down on them or treating them differently “because they’re white” which is also crazy cause that person might not even be white

[@NealCamerlengo]

And it's even more crazy since her model is white.

[@spencer6736]

Nothing to misunderstand here. It's just the classic backpedalling and throwing someone else under the bus. Ann will likely get away with this because she deflected her part in the scenario even though she was also being racist.

[@technole]

It's the usual weaponizing trauma story, they'll get off easy unfortunately since she was just an include in bub's stream.

[@MrZics]

"This is why you only have 18 viewers" stop acting like you're popular and that everyone else is trash. You are a small time indie streamer who's not making a living wage streaming just like him.

[@Airlinecuisine]

Classic playing the victim card, but being the bully. I think me and others would be more sympathetic if they were just straight up like "Yeah I was mad, and i did/said some shit i wasn't proud of my bad" like if you were a dick just own up to being a dick, everyone is a dick sometimes it's very human especially in competitive games.

[@Feanor1988bis]

Yeah, admit your fault and take responsibility, that's the way to go. It's also the smart one from a PR perspective imo.

[@codyconnor6981]

I love how her excuse is ‘well I have proof that things went down differently,’ but refuses to show it. If you have proof then show it.

[@whatzittooyah9182]

“I didn’t say most of these things, my friends said them!” Well your friends suck and you are the company you keep. Why are they surprised they got banned LMAO

[@michaelhall736]

"I don't appreciate you not being nice to me" Says the one who bullied a smaller streamer and is trying to play the victim when being called out. Anntan's does seem way more genuine. Didn't make a whole bunch of excuses or play victim and wanted to try and make it right with the guy.

[@JordanWheeler1999]

"I don't appreciate you not being nice to me" wow that is disgusting

[@HelloKittySGTC]

Yeah she deserves temporary ban A) because of her fans they will attack them regardless, because of their behavior B) sought out streamers to hate watch

[@MauseDays]

full ban forever. Racists deserve no platform.

[@nahelbeuk]

I'm only 1/4 white and even I'm offended by that.

[@JordanWheeler1999]

lol

[@MauseDays]

Racists deserve no platform.

[@SmokingMan26]

"I don't want me being sick and my past trauma to be a excuse" While using that as a excuse or way to deflect some of the criticism. Also love the sly little "i'm African so i can't be racist" as for the bub person, they knew what they were doing also if these clips that showed more "context" were around that proved they are "innocent" they would have shown them. also can't really use the excuse of deleted/hidden vods because anyone can go download hidden vods if you know where to look or take 2 seconds to google.

[@theself-deprecatinggeek9930]

“Nothing I hate more than bullying” Proceeds to call the guy white/privileged (apparently those can be used interchangeably now) with small pp. “Now I am the one being harassed” The victim mentality is strong with this one.

[@MauseDays]

Correct racists deserve no platform. This person should be ban forever. as would a kkk qanon screaming slurs

[@AntonioLopez-z1e]

I see Thanks,Gracias and ありがとうKhyo 👋🏼

[@MessedUpBrainspike]

1:48 "I don't encourage people harassing the guy I'm hanging out here for everyone to see" Massive red flag and one of the biggest lies when it comes to internet drama

[@KeebeThePlush]

The karma

[@drakko95]

The mocking is 100% deserved. It's the social consequences of their actions, plain and simple. When you talk shit about people unwarranted or otherwise get caught being a shitty person, fully expect others to openly make fun of you.

[@Doug00115]

Lol get community noted; W community notes

[@halfheart3290]

Sometimes it isn't what you say, its how you say it and the context around it. Its fine to say someone is white, black, Asian, Mexican, that isn't inherently racist. Using it in a negative way like saying "of course he is a white man" or "He looks very privileged" is clear cut, NOTHING can explain that away. The "english isn't my first language" or "I didn't know" does not saves you from you fully well knowing you are using a word in bad context even if the word by itself isn't racist. The intent was clearly to degrade and mock, the context is abundantly provided and that is not explained away by "I didn't know". Also "past trauma" should NEVER be in any sort of apology, ever. You did something to negatively impact someone, your past trauma didn't do it you did. I have past trauma, does that mean I get to treat everyone with a certain skin color the same way negatively? No because that is called racism and I can understand there is terrible people of all shapes, sizes, colors, and gender. I blame the people who did it to me, not the group.

[@ZeptoZeno]

After all of this, the rational decision would be a permaban. Obviously.

[@MauseDays]

Correct racists deserve no platform.

[@mark-zu1cz]

She should call it quits and give it time, she is making it harder to forgive it

[@phiefer3]

It's clear that a lot of people in the streaming/content creation sphere don't understand that having an audience comes with additional responsibilities. If you pull up somebody's stream and mock/harass them while you are live yourself, you don't get to then turn around and be like "I didn't send my audience over to their stream to harass them", because you most certainly did. They're watching you and what you are doing, so if you're doing something in someone else's chat then chances are they're going to go over to their chat as well, and if you're mocking someone then your viewers are going to join in and echo you. Also, as others have pointed out: "I'm sorry that other people were offended" comes with the additional meaning of "I'm not sorry for what I did". Now there are times when that sort of apology is appropriate. Usually when you did/said something that was important or necessary but had unfortunate consequences. But that doesn't apply to situations like this. This was just a poor attempt at trying to save face without admitting to any wrongdoing. She's not sorry. She's just sorry that she got caught.

[@breezywinter4646]

Honestly I feel like they apologized/ran because they were caught rather than feeling bad due to the fact that both were blaming the guy for them getting banned when it was their own faults.

[@sapphirehoseki]

Ah drama...never takes a vacation😒

[@IchiPopp]

"He'sprivileged" says the person with a thousand dollar vtuber model.

[@Damian_h]

is just me or Vtubers nowadays are becoming a clown show?. This is the problem when something that should be niche goes viral sht gets quickly deprecated more than Unity with Unet system.

[@RaxusXeronos]

Yeah. It's probably more people getting into Vtubing therefor more assholes bleeding in as a result.

[@jakescourage]

Mostly the twitch ones

[@Sham_Seer]

It's been this way almost always in the indie space. People attempting to harass or cancel other VTubers for clout so they can get slightly bigger. You could see it very visibly even as far back as the vtweeter drama Calli was involved with early in her hololive career but it's been a weird crab bucket situation for a while now. Theres a few other dramas this channel even covered that show other examples but the summary is that vtuber scene in the west has unfortunately never been sunshine and hugs outside of the bigger talents (where most viewers will be).

[@selenang2006]

Its always the sub par twitch or twitter ones. Buncha hololive wannabes.

[@sakiamira]

​@@selenang2006 Vtwitters don't even debut or make content

[@napnide]

Hi! I finally have the strength to look into these videos that have been sent to me for days. First things first: I love the video and you seem like an amazing person. I hate that I have to find a cool youtuber like you, through this type of stuff. I can confirm that I have not received any sort of apology from nether of them, and was actually blocked by her immediately everywhere after Spooks tweet and those blocks have stayed. I can also confirm that the co-streamer did say as a "joke" that I am a dangerous individual for reporting their stream for "something they did not do" and that I "should get shot", to which she answered "probably" with laughter followed by more insults. I am actually sad to see all these Twitter posts by her, as I have been avoiding everything connected to her like a plague to not undermine the insane amount of happiness that the support I have received has caused me. I am even a little in shock to see again how disgustingly she is still talking about me and trying to twist everything, as I have literally everything from her name to nicknames blocked by automods, and have been very strict about people talking bad about her in my streams. I have to admit, all the empathy I had for her and her co-streamers situation is gone after seeing just this one video. Disgusting.

[@MadAdam93]

that long 'apology' at the end reads very much like Logan Paul's "severe and continuous lapse of judgement" just saying whatever to move forward, not a genuine apology

[@UndeadPandaLegion]

not only racist but profiling, But like i said in stream this won't do anything. They are partner vtubers n we've already seen with UKi that being a big name mAKES YOU IMMUNE TO BEING CANCELLED. Dude still has a platform ppl still interaCT and collab with him sadly. n then she goes onto victim blame lmfao lol

[@JordanWheeler1999]

alr

[@TENthe10th]

Oh and besides she's also - Down playing others achievements - Using her twitch partner status to belittle him - Body shaming Racism is just the tip of her douchebagery.

[@たいやきTaiyaki-q5d]

As a non white person, I was always wondering why some ppl bring up white race as a insult. Can someone tell me?

[@Bloodstar6078]

Are you from the US? It's kind of hard to explain since you need to know the history of race relations. (Edit: nvm she might not be from the US, idk, but the rest is relevant.) But to give you a more global perspective, just think about how US and European imperialism and colonialism has impacted the world. Now consider how the people running those empires were usually white males. It's a valid thing to point out when talking about power imbalances that haven't changed. But stupid people turn it into a stereotype that white=bad. As a white male I'm usually assumed to be racist until proven otherwise (as well as a lot of other things). It's frustrating as heck.

[@ZeptoZeno]

It's kinda trendy in the US right now

[@ivyproductions7097]

Because they’re racist

[@zeroreality4812]

White people are looked down upon on the internet, mainly Twitter (X) and here in the US. When and why it started, I couldn't tell you but it's very frustrating.

[@sirzechs3174]

Victim mentality, it’s been inserted into them. They think they can blame everything on white people for things that happened when most of them weren’t even alive yet.

[@baalshalom]

Damn Minorikyun went nuclear on that post. I love it. Bird brain donuts has me cackling.

[@thrashinuva]

Anntan's apology was pretty good, but "losing a match in a game triggered my trauma so I used racism" is wild

[@CharDhue]

As an asian i dont understand why most Americans think that using "white man" words not as racist as using "black man" words

[@spencer6736]

I had an argument with someone about this before. She claimed that she can't be racist to white people because they haven't been oppressed and racism has always been about black people being oppressed by white people. It's unfortunate that you get those types of people because they're actually doing more harm than good to the cause of equality, tho it always struck me as they never really cared about equality and instead just want to flip the sides so they're the ones punching down instead.

[@ZeroCalamityYT]

she's not American

[@gaerekxenos]

Based on the clip shown... it wasn't the streamer themself who made the worst comments; however, the person still has some responsibility for moderating what is said on stream as well as the general actions done of bringing up the other streamer's stream. A suspension was honestly fair game, though the duration is debatable (whether it was long enough or too short). Can't say I'm a fan of anyone involved

[@okamirosa]

I'm going to use a phrase that a English teacher of mine use to say to us a long time ago. "If you're a public speaker, be it news anchor, politician or even in social media you must be careful with what you say. The wrong comment or action can destroy your reputation to the point of no return." He used to say this in context of grammar but I would like to think he also meant for situations like this. Anger makes you blind and deaf to the trash that spews from your mouth but that should not be an excuse and we, as adults, should control ourselves a little better.

[@Ravensgale]

12:41 I am REALLY getting tired of the whole, "I experienced trauma/racism/medical history" as an excuse for absolutely repugnant behavior.

[@somerando86]

It amazes me no one can just say, "I was wrong and I apologize for my actions". They have to have a bunch of excuses to try and avoid taking real responsibility and making a real apology.

[@acemaison2834]

Most preference my version is punishment like bans not punching but yea . I think mike Tyson said it best “Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it” . Anntan’s apology seems decent but bubs well it’s a shame whining on Twitter can reduce bans from 7 days to 2 . Twitch truly is spineless and I hope they girls learned their lesson well I doubt it but we can hope ig.

[@StochasticUniverse]

(KZbin is automodding the word "r*cism" out of existence on this thread. Kind of insane that you can't even have an academic discussion about a serious topic on KZbin anymore...) 12:17 I don't know if playing the r*ce card after you've done something r*cist is the best strategy, haha. But, sure, their broader point is well-taken: you can do something r*cist without BEING a habitual r*cist, just like you can make a sexist remark in passing but not be defined as a sexist. That said...nobody just makes r*cist remarks without having it inside of them, lurking, somewhere in the pit of their soul. The truth is somewhere in the middle -- the individual making the remark isn't just a purehearted person who momentarily succumbed, nor are they irredeemable monsters. But it's also too facile to just fob it off by saying or implying "everyone does this". That's factually wrong -- NOT everyone makes r*cist remarks -- and dismissing it so cavalierly also serves to normalize it. In fact, you see that with the comments that Bub made to varying degrees when they were in damage-control mode. They essentially said permutations of "this is normal", in one sense or another. And it's not. That's the genuinely sad part. Generally speaking, when someone entertains r*cist views, it's because the people around them think that it's normal. They genuinely don't think there's anything wrong with it. You can see that VERY clearly in the way that Bub reacted to it, saying things like, "This is harmless and some people are just sensitive" -- which is a common trope that gets trotted out by people who engage in anti-White r*cism. I think Bub is an actual r*cist in the classical sense. She was probably raised to think a certain way and never questioned it. She was probably surrounded by people that thought a certain way during her formative years, and natural groupthink did the rest. This might even be the first time in her life that she's even being exposed to the thought that maybe this is bad, which seems likely, given her denialism. She's just profoundly lacking in self-awareness. Hopefully, she wises up and figures her stuff out because the Internet is a large, diverse place, and you won't really survive there longterm if you're antagonizing an entire race of people, lol.

[@RogueIRL23]

You don't get to call others privleged when you play video games for a living.

[@plumwings2644]

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again : it’s a REASON not an EXCUSE. Trauma is never an excuse to bully innocent people.

[@nhuphan4838]

Omg I remember this girl used to stream with OkCode and I really enjoyed their reaction back then. Then they stopped streaming together, I wonder what happened. But now seeing her appears on Khyo channel acting like this smh

[@Kurai_69420]

Dead by Daylight would crash the Roman economy with how much salt it generates.

[@gaurdiangaming4603]

I swear i hate this white hate rhetoric. The denial of racism is irritating. As a Latino a person of color. Hating white people just for their skin color is by definition racism. And to say people of color cannot be racist is just as dumb a take. . Also the assumption of privilege is at best ridiculous and at worst complete disrespect. Theres white people living below the poverty line too. Living in their car living in homeless shelters trailer parks or just out on the streets and in "hoods" just as much as any race. So when by assuming privilege based on assumptions and saying that to the face of someone who has never had any those privileges is like a slap in the face.

[@BoltYT_]

I swear everytime he watched the clips i always said. Hes just standing there and staring....menacingly.

[@GlassesnMouthplates]

I'm surprised not many people brought up that apart from dodging accountability, Bub appeared to be also throwing her friends under the bus by constantly clarifying that she wasn't the one who made the racist remarks. Maybe it's just me, but Annton's change of side in her apology (which admittedly was better than Bub's, despite the trauma dumping, since she at least addressed that she wronged the guy they bullied) may have something to do with Bub trying to save her own ass but not her friends.

[@luckytanuki5449]

I really dont believe the Anntan apology... How can you say "I didnt know it was a derogatory slur" when you are using a persons skin color or physical appearance to make fun of them in a toxic/hate filled situation.... It doesnt matter if you are French and Arabic, you obviously knew what you were saying. Also why would you bring up "Past trauma" when it has nothing to do with anything here, and then say "I dont want that to be an excuse though". Ok so why did you include it in the apology then lol (we all know why, sympathy points).

[@stckNsde]

This the person spooknjukes made a video about?

[@OutrageousQuade]

She just won't take that L

[@NoOneatallworthy]

Bub now "apologized", but I'll be honest, I'm not eating any of their shitty apology as they tried to deflect some of the blame away from them with trauma, saying it only made them human, they were stressed and things like that, but I also won't eat their apology cuz, even though they may say otherwise, they only apologized cuz they were caught. And the fact they claimed themselves as the righteous ones at beginning of this only proves this to me, bc it's not like they were ignorant about their wrong at the beginning, it's just that it didn't have that much traction nor that many ppl holding them accountable for what they did, so it was easier for them to try to lie themselves out of this, but guess what, it got traction, in fact, much more than they could ever get, probably, and at that moment, they had to take an action, bc now they had ppl holding them accountable for what they did, so of course, they had to come out with an apology to try to get themselves out of this mess they put themselves into

[@Imperial4ti]

Thats wild, I feel sorry for the fella, hope he's doing well mentally

[@Eins3467]

Holy this even reached to Khyo?! Very based on bringing up this issue. I hope Mythic Live takes action against Ann.

[@Esai_P]

Knocking someones hustle then comparing and bragging about your own hustle to theirs is insanely ignorant. Never EVER knock someones honest hustle and grind

[@DolFunDolhpinVtuber]

That was a pretty messy situation.

[@chinchillachel]

I love DBD, I absolutely do, but one of the many things I dislike are the toxic players which are 80% of the time the survivors. I'm not a content creator just a casual player but even I get toxic messages on PSN from survivors that either win or lose because I am more of a chill Killer/Survivor player so if I lose hard it's usually because of Dailies or just wanting to test out builds. I would be rich from all of the toxic interactions I've had in the 6 months I started playing, these folks aren't sorry, they're sorry they got caught.

[@bulldowozer5858]

"I could have sent some clips..." But you didn't. Where are they? Evidence not presented DOES NOT EXIST. Never seen, never happened. Could have, could be, should have, should be.... Also Anntan's "apology" reads like a "Apology" Bingo card.

[@Karzakus]

As someone who plays both dead by daylight, and the much superior iteration of the genre identity V, and I can say this about checks out. The DbD community is the most toxic shit I've ever experienced. There is no other game out there where just playing the game optimally, just gets you completely shit on by entitled survivors who think it's their "right" to dunk on the hunter and win every match. The game is unbalanced as hell, the community is a cesspool, and the competitive scene is non-existent. IDV may have a substantially smaller community in NA, but overseas the game is a massive E-sport. Way more balanced, and the best part is "tunneling" or "camping a gen" aren't even concept in the wider community. It's just "what you do" to play optimally