"You're a WEAK Leftist..." Debating Bernie or Bust

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[@klip8726]

If you're mad at Bernie for opposing the election of an open fascist, I don't think you understood what he did this for in the first place.

[@kx7500]

afrolefty bingo! Leftists have disappointed me heavily recently.

[@plasmicats2000]

afrolefty Yo I remember u from instagram, weren’t u the one who said imperialism is fine if used for good or something?

[@billbutton8468]

@@plasmicats2000 i mean.... are they wrong?

[@kx7500]

Comrade Pepe got any arguments for that?

[@ben5154]

@Comrade Pepe I don't like Biden, but he is absolutely not. He will have a better cabinet, appoint better supreme court nominees, and have better policies towards global warming (even if they won't be 'good'). This is just objectively untrue that he is 'just as bad' as Trump. I can understand justifying not voting for Biden, but it's just a fact that he's not as bad as Trump.

[@bryanarchy5824]

jesus Vaush you just conceded so quickly you didn't even try to call Bernie up and tell him not to drop out

[@Hubert_Cumberdale_]

He should have used his magic powers

[@dontsubscribe7175]

Magic phone

[@TheAsyouwysh]

Just start calling numbers until Bernie answers

[@bryanarchy5824]

@Ryan Rose do you know why it wasn't made clear last time? think hard

[@cpt.gwyndolin8665]

Mississippian here. Can confirm, your average person didnt know who bernie was where I canvassed, and the only thing they cared about was getting orange man out so when I told them that "Bernie has the best chance to get the mean orange guy out because polls" They responded to that heavily. People dont even imagine that they deserve something like healthcare but they can imagine not having to see trump on the telley everyday.

[@tigeroix9759]

Those polls had almost everyone beating Trump. Bernie couldn’t even beat Biden in states he previously won.

[@marla79]

@@tigeroix9759 kzbin.info/aero/PLlDX6beZ49oyjBMro5vsFH9D2a6ZnS7uW

[@tigeroix9759]

marla79 this literally proves nothing outside of being proganda

[@marla79]

@@tigeroix9759 the exit polls in the 2016 republican primary were spot on those same democratic exit poll primary results were way off! The dems decided not to use exit polling in a lot of states after that and didn't really rely on them this time

[@kbolternorris2676]

Why would a prisoner want freedom when he's lived his entire life as a prisoner from birth to where he stand now? Same shit, american capitalism is so fucking bizarro a majority of americans can't even fathom good health being a human right. The average american's ignorance is so stupidly large even bernie, a center-right leaning guy in most civilized countries, couldn't win.

[@justrobin8155]

"Alliances are for the weak" - people who were crushed by united opposition

[@SLRok]

when have the democrats been reliable ally in any alliance?

[@justrobin8155]

@@SLRok They don't need to do anything but support their own interests in this case. They want their man in office, and we prefer him over the alternative. If one side I disagree with is going to be holding the reigns either way, I'd rather it not be the ones who want a theocracy

[@LordOdio]

@@justrobin8155 but they didn't care who was the nominee as long as it wasn't biden. Did you forget the Bloomberg fiasco? Why ally with a person that doesn't want to see your goals realized?

[@LordOdio]

@@justrobin8155 biden is and has supported policies that lead to children being separated from their families

[@justrobin8155]

@@LordOdio yeah. Trump has too, but to a hugely greater extent. Are you suggesting that Biden is *worse* for the world than Trump?

[@eliasE989]

Leftists shouldn't be fighting over this too much. Either way some will vote for Biden and some will not. The more important thing is to make sure there is a growing left wing movement.

[@kjdunne8683]

Agreed.

[@claymusicoff5663]

it's hard to when u realize a good swath of your guys are openly just egoist

[@Yakub943]

Yes and a major component of a growing left wing movement is the optics. Allowing Trump to win out of some delusion that the DNC is going to cater to the left will undo what has already been achieved.

[@harpoonlobotomy]

Surely if you think one option is less damaging to the country than the other, you would want to encourage them to vote for that person, though? In addition to the political actions outside elections, I strongly agree with you there.

[@euso2008]

@@claymusicoff5663 Yeah, and a good swath of your guys are spooks.

[@kx7500]

Busty: 😍 Buster: 😡

[@jameshauck9148]

Rule 63 bernie vs autopodectomy (I think I said that right?)

[@RapidBlindfolds]

Bernie or Bussy 🍑😳

[@GhettoNBA]

Sorry but as a leftist claiming you can get positive coverage from corporate media just goes against so many things we've witnessed against Bernie in the last 4 years

[@harpoonlobotomy]

It's a difference of degrees - some positive coverage is better than none, like a less awful president is better than a more awful one. Substantial change isn't going to suddenly appear at the presidency, so until there's actually a foundation for populous revolution we don't have the power to fix corporate media power structures in a more meaningful way than that..

[@kjdunne8683]

This is where I started to take issue. I think Vaush's outlook here is to rosey. It gives them too much credit.

[@tijuanaforeplay8232]

​ HarpoonLobotomy The only reason Bernie didn't get swamped with endless negative coverage the way Jeremy Corbyn did was because the media ignored him for the majority of the primary. It wasn't because Bernie in his infinite wisdom played nice with CNN and MSNBC. HA what a ridiculous notion. Vaush is an idiot. He is obviously taking his cues from Destiny, the big brain master of geopolitics It is preferable for a campaign to get a load of dismissive contempt rather than slanderous hate 24/7, especially since are mush-liver Bernie is weak and can't figure out how to use it for his advantage. He prefers to avoid any confrontation instead of taking it head on like Trump did.

[@ascii_9727]

I think you guys really don't understand how much worse it can get, its not about the media giving a good image from our perspective its to not give them a free pass of giving horrible optics. Additionally the media part is only a fraction of why bernie or bust is a terrible idea

[@kjdunne8683]

@@ascii_9727 what's the other portion?

[@redlightmax]

7:57 imyourblueberry: "Do you think those people give a fuck who killed 250,000 or 350,000?" Vaush: "Yes, I think 100,000 people would care very much." That's as good as it gets.

[@andretorres8452]

You should debate Jimmy Dore or Kyle Kulinski sometime

[@CorporateShill66]

Jimmy Dore is a dummy. Watch his 2016 debate with Sam Seder

[@spicylemon6255]

He doesn’t want to since he feels like he’ll just alienate the socdems. What would he debate about anyway?

[@andretorres8452]

Spicy Lemon What I mean is, a discussion format in which he talks about Biden and Trump in the same manner as this discussion format.

[@cloudkitthemailman7282]

Andre Torres PLEASE GOD I hate them so fucking much that would be so nice

[@klip8726]

Jimmy Dore has the smoothest brain

[@MagisterMalleus]

"I would vote for the second Hitler" Vaush c2020

[@Nina-cd2eh]

I think we can all agree that Strasser would be much more preferable to actual Hitler. Anyone that disagrees with this is a nazi.

[@essjaydoublejew6499]

@@Nina-cd2eh Personally I'd find the person who killed Hitler preferable.

[@robertknoll9641]

@@essjaydoublejew6499 I see what you did there.

[@davidgn40]

SOMEONE CALL I;HYPOCRITE TO CLIP

[@KFro9k]

@nordic bear In contrast with Trump, with over a dozen of women coming forth with sexual allegations against him. Also, dementia = marxism? What?

[@vincentlytle2810]

I’m getting in to politics because of you. Thank you

[@cormacwdoherty01]

Get out before it's too late or face the misery

[@kx7500]

Me specifically? Wow thank you!

[@KentuckyFriedKitten666]

Good to have you on the left (hopefully?)

[@comradeluigi8631]

@@KentuckyFriedKitten666 "watching vaush made me realize that we need to save the white race from the Jewish globalists" lmao

[@fatlittlekid1982]

hahahaha, I actually literally laughed out loud reading this. You are killing me.

[@Theblackprogressive1911]

As another black guy from Ohio, I don’t know what this dude was talking bout, survivors bias bruh

[@jameshughes7946]

His first point was painful "Can I passively turn off the light!?" No but if you don't make the effort to go flip the switch it won't turn off.

[@griggerykimothy4865]

And also if someone else turns it off and you do nothing, you passively allowed it

[@tijuanaforeplay8232]

Won't make a difference when they shut off the electricity.

[@NageekNoohac]

That made me cringe so hard lmao in his analogy the light is currently off and by not voting you're sitting there while your friends are asking you to please turn on the light but you don't think the light is bright enough so you refuse to touch the switch

[@rage2904]

@@NageekNoohac If we concede to this light bulb they'll change it to a dimmer one in four years. I'd rather sit in the dark than have a measly 20 watt light bulb! Fuck that! 40 watt or pitch black darkness!

[@Hubert_Cumberdale_]

The bulb will burn out

[@ShabazzTBL]

“How dare you write us off as being emotional?” Proceeds to talk about how pissed he is and rage at Vaushs comments.

[@vallarieastman3519]

How are never-Biden's not bringing up his policy on Central America and imperialism at the forefront of this man's campaign??

[@BenReillySpydr1962]

Also wants to use imperialism in China for some reason.

[@Head_Turnah]

It’s hard to get people to care about foreign policy tbh.

[@joshadamson6874]

@Marks Madmarktigan pretty sure she was talking about the call in?

[@zombiejoe326]

Sadly the days of conquest are over, it would be stupid right now to start putting armed forces in other countries like mexico or china, it would basically start world war 3

[@boyo-shook3891]

Americans don't care about american policy :/

[@kpcinema8955]

He is saying that a passive vote for Trump is not a thing? OMG not voting for Biden increases Trumps chances of winning! End of story.

[@muntu1221]

It mathematically doesn't increase the chance of anything happening, especially when it's Biden's job to appeal to the so-call centrists he's supposedly able to bring over.

[@kx7500]

muntu1221 false

[@billbutton8468]

@@muntu1221 that was a really dumb comment. You should feel embarrassed. There's too much data shoring that lower voter turnout helps republicans for you to ignore that on purpose.

[@muntu1221]

@@billbutton8468 Not voting for Biden =/= not voting

[@muntu1221]

@@kx7500 Don't tell me, tell all the Biden supporters. They're the ones who claimed what I said then immediately demanded progressives vote for them.

[@fireandblood2919]

The type of Twitter leftist who will call you a “corporate Dem shill” for voting for Jon Ossoff in fucking Georgia!

[@issaccoltman6249]

"I would vote for Hitler" -Vaush

[@DementedMalice]

Also said that Bernie did more for progressives than Frederick Douglass, lmao

[@lucybell37]

The second*

[@willfoley6758]

Raoul Ghoul he has single handedly made socialism an accepted word lmao that’s pretty fucking important. More democrats now say they’re support socialism over capitalism. That’s pretty fucking important

[@LunaticTheCat]

Just more reductionist garbage.

[@curioussoul6059]

In the context provided, wouldn't you?

[@txikitofandango]

Politics is about me, my beautiful soul, how I appear from a perspective that I imagined. It's not about the kind of world I want, it's about the kind of ego I wish to construct.

[@txikitofandango]

"I want to be able to say..."

[@henriquepacheco7473]

@Comrade Pepe Accurately represents most of "Bernie or Bust" types.

[@tibbygaycat]

But muh feela

[@Hubert_Cumberdale_]

@@fishlove693 Your utopia will never exist but then again I'm a doomer so you shouldn't listen to me.

[@ListlessLion]

I'm starting to think being beholden to your own ego is what people mean about a lot of atheists still inherently believing in God. Nobody HAS to vote, but it's incredible how people can delude themselves into thinking they're morally superior for doing nothing.

[@nikolaig1]

This guy is literally regurgitating secular talk talking pionts verbatim. Think for your own. Kyle has no naunce in gaining political power. "Bernie lost becuase he folded." Literally its way more complicated than that.

[@10003159]

Kyle was incredibly disappointing when Bernie dropped out, and he still is to this day.

[@j3dr905]

@@10003159 Kyle has slowly become more and more of a braindead populist

[@iamdamosuzuki_]

I cringe at the fact that I was a Bernie or Buster not too long ago. It’s like cutting your nose off despite your face.

[@pogo8050]

Hey king we live and learn

[@lf4692]

@@pogo8050 we’re all Fettes-pilled now

[@starkcontrast8480]

"I don't adjust the Overton Window" He refuses to adjust his judgment of historical actions and policies 🤦‍♂️ So facilitating a more nuanced approach and more accurate assessment of those historical actions is irrelevant to him? 🤦‍♂️

[@samlogan-warshaw300]

Why be apologetic towards historical figures.

[@harpoonlobotomy]

If all bad things are the same, then when faced with the choice between 99% slavery and 1% slavery, stay home and refuse to participate in the decision-making.

[@Botkilla2K12]

Exactly. Social progress has been made incrementally over centuries for a reason. If you tried to implement every single progressive policy of 2020 in 1920, you would fail miserably and earn the ire of the populace. Gains had to be made based on what could get passed and what you could convince enough people to support. If we operated like this guy, slavery might still exist in the west.

[@starkcontrast8480]

@@samlogan-warshaw300 Who's being apologetic? Like my comment spelled out, applying nuance and historical context is important in understanding history and historical events/figures. You can't just waltz around your whole life dogmatically clinging to a regressive and overly narrow Essentialist worldview and expect to have a proper understanding of history or perform proper historical analysis.

[@harpoonlobotomy]

@@samlogan-warshaw300 Is "he was less racist than most people of the time" apologetic, if it's an accurate description?

[@dallasfavel4817]

There is no incentive for the DNC to favour any economic progressive policies. If the intention of your vote is to see economically progressive policy in action, you will never be satisfied.

[@johnschwartz1641]

Economics aren't the only issue at stake. The federal courts are where Trump has made his biggest impact, stopping that would be huge.

[@dallasfavel4817]

@@johnschwartz1641 I know that. I was saying that it's fruitless to vote with that in mind.

[@stargazingstar3239]

Bish what

[@Kamots]

Just in the first few seconds, the light switch analogy doesn't work for him. The light is on or off before you hit the switch. To not turn it on when it is off would be to "passively turn it off". It isn't just a binary when you are considering its state over time.

[@51gan788]

Perfectly put - what a brain-dead analogy it was anyway

[@griggerykimothy4865]

@@christopherlee9026 if somebody turns it off while you do nothing, your passive inaction makes you complicit in the turning off of the switch

[@pluubooruu]

@@WarningBFG-isHiring Yeah, we get the end of humanity faster. And don't argue with me. That IS a good thing. The best thing.

[@EdgieAlias]

@@pluubooruu Shut up. You added nothing while shitting on everyone just now.

[@51gan788]

@Comrade Pepe Sorry, did you just skip the entire video where vaush dismantled that argument?

[@Scroteydada]

I'm 1:25 minutes in and wondering how tf there's 40 minutes of this

[@stargazingstar3239]

Tbh same

[@Nyanx4]

A lot of the people he's been talking to lately have given me this reaction.

[@julesanne1236]

BAHAHAHAH SAME

[@MMuraseofSandvich]

Credit to Vaush, as exasperated as he sounds, he has the patience of a saint.

[@robertknoll9641]

9:30 Vaush conflates lopsided media coverage of Bernie with 24/7 active undermining of Bernie.

[@lallig8860]

Robert Knoll thanks for these tags, i thought vaush was so off base with this BS

[@xwarrior760]

No he's not conflating. He's saying there were times when the media had the opportunity to undermine his campaign but didn't, which is relatively more salutary.

[@robertknoll9641]

@@xwarrior760 They did by not having him on networks, that is actively undermining. Choosing who to not have on like Glen Greenwald and other people that tell inconvenient truths that they can't easily spin. That is totally active undermining. Vaush gives Legacy Media way to much credit here.

[@tigeroix9759]

What was there to cover? When he won a state he was announced on the news like everyone else. There was nothing to cover and apparently he’s declined to go do interviews with a few members of media.

[@lallig8860]

Gary Ross lmao seriously? a reporter literally sighed when they were announcing his win in arizona, & the coverage for bernie is always "how will he pay for it" whereas all the other candidates get fawning pieces that don't even cover policy. Buttigieg was on the cover of a fucking magazine that was all about how gay he is. all bernie ever got was "your ideas are so crazy, how are they not wrong?"

[@Quarter_Turn]

Never thought I'd see the day when an anarchist calls someone "morally abhorrent" for declining to participate in electoral politics.

[@thetelescreen372]

Sure, but he's right

[@Quarter_Turn]

​@@thetelescreen372 nah

[@evolutiono6527]

Bring a Anarchist doesn't mean that you shouldn't participate in politics to achieve the best results

[@Noone-rl8db]

@@evolutiono6527 an anarchist wouldnt care whether you vote or not. They would recognize that participating in electoralism as a political strategy (not just voting) is giving our power away, and would organize collectively to improve our material conditions.

[@omagaonion613]

@@Noone-rl8db They do if they want to win...

[@IQ2992]

wow Vaush sounds just like destiny when hes mad. lol In fact his mannerisms are like his aswell from what ive seen of him. Must be a similar character trait.

[@Kyle-oo4yn]

Absolutely

[@officialasa]

He watched Destiny for 10 years so it makes sense

[@Mr.Amazing_-xg6xn]

Like father like son

[@Mr.Amazing_-xg6xn]

@James I know 😢.

[@ryancier]

They just lose their cool 'cuz they think it makes'em look tough, but they know they'd get their asses throttled in a real fight.

[@presidenttogekiss635]

This guy is like that meme: "Vote Chtulu! Why settle for the lesser of two evils?".

[@subotnai1]

well.. since I'm out of carrots.. might as well have a Dorritos Pizza burger!!

[@ASymbolicSymbol]

At the end of the day, it's just about feeling special for some people, damn the consequence that comes with such stupidity.

[@SLRok]

@@ASymbolicSymbol In what ways is Biden better than Trump?

[@kylebernadyn2465]

Crime Bill? Patriot Act? Supporting the Hyde Amendment publicly up until last year?

[@presidenttogekiss635]

@@SLRok Well, for one, I assume he is far more pro-immigration and pro-immigrant rights than Trump is. He also does not openly collude with raging homophobes and transphobes.

[@KujakuDM]

Man looking back at this today... 216k people dead thanks to people refusing to vote for someone who wont have that happen.

[@kx7500]

“Oh you’re against evil? Well the best option is STILL evil! Hmmmm interesting! I am very intelligent.”

[@kx7500]

F Glenn it’s based on emotion and aesthetics for the most part.

[@lydia8226]

Okay, I may have failed political science but I find your username very funny. Thanks for the chuckle

[@InherentGem493]

@@kx7500 When the choice will be evil regardless, choosing the less evil is the ethical decision.

[@kx7500]

BoLo Legendary congrats you got the point

[@SakasaHigure]

I love the part where Vaush channels the spirit of Destiny without the smooth brain. Vaush making a better case for political efficacy than Destiny ever will. Or at least ever will again. RIP Destiny RISE Vaush

[@CorporateShill66]

Agree, Vaush is the new better Destiny

[@anthonynonapplicable6045]

So you think rapid firing blatant falsehoods is making a case for efficacy? Lol debate bros.

[@SakasaHigure]

@@anthonynonapplicable6045 What falsehoods? Rem was the one just throwing falsehoods.

[@anthonynonapplicable6045]

@@SakasaHigure What discussion did you watch, Rem?

[@russeljimmies3899]

Vaush sounded a whole lot like Destiny here 😫

[@Anthropomorphic]

His cadence is actually pretty similar to Destiny's.

[@anthonynonapplicable6045]

Copy pasta for sure. Even doing the paragraphs in one breath because he's afraid of actual discussion.

[@Anthropomorphic]

@@anthonynonapplicable6045 I don't think it's a tactic. He gets like that when he's worked up.

[@lallig8860]

Lifragen & it's pretty sad cause it shows he doesn't actually have an argument

[@Anthropomorphic]

​@@lallig8860 I don't think that's really true. Getting angry and talking a lot doesn't mean you don't have any arguments.

[@JEW1995]

This is why I can't stand Bernie or Bust people, and I voted for Bernie in 2016.

[@at5203]

Sometimes I wonder, if you gave these people the choice to loose either a finger or an arm, will they still have this much trouble understanding how the lesser of two evil works?

[@conordrollinger9378]

"Well it sucks to lose either so I'm going to have to let Jack the Arm Collector decide for me"

[@kakaroto311]

Simple. Even if it's going to happen, I would fight and struggle instead of just laying my arm on the chopping block

[@tibbygaycat]

@@kakaroto311 Okay but you still fucking lose your arm lol.

[@lallig8860]

Andres G. Padro YES

[@TheDoomAboveAll]

@Andres G. Padro THANK YOU

[@iammatthewdavid03]

My goodness, the “Bernie or Bust” person arguing with Vaush is such a terrible and shortsighted debater and just being an ideological puritan. Of course, Biden is a thousand times better than Trump.

[@sanctionskillkids3541]

I'm a tankie who's voting for Biden, which is to say against fascism.

[@lf4692]

hey man i’ll take it

[@aakashbaliga1881]

Guys, go to a conservative channel and post a comment that will humor them or follow their beliefs. Then, when you get enough likes, edit it to say something that will trigger them like "If you liked this comment, you're gay." That type of statement won't work on leftist channels, but believe me it will annoy the shit out of conservatives.

[@Slycoomer56]

Good idea

[@asioca1992]

You do know that people can see a comment and know whether it's been edited right? Like this is the kinda b.s. I remember thinking was funny and clever when I was a teenager. Haven't we evolved past the point of thinking that "gay" is a viable insult?

[@aakashbaliga1881]

@@asioca1992 I'm aware, it's just a troll. I said it wouldn't work on leftist channels because we have little to no homophobes, or people who consider gay an insult. It would be a troll on a conservative level.

[@asioca1992]

@@aakashbaliga1881 I think it's problematic that you're willing to make gay people uncomfortable just to stick it to conservatives. I mean, you realize that gay Republicans are a thing right?

[@aakashbaliga1881]

@@asioca1992 you must be fun at parties

[@prizmbreaker]

>calling Bill Clinton progressive lmao

[@eman22017]

For his time he was. The 90s were a much different time. Hell even Bernie Sanders signed the Crime Bill. Things aren’t as simple as they seem.

[@RememberEzio]

This dude is the epitome of the absurdly privileged head-in-the-sand perspective of the Bernie Bros people hate

[@sparksthedaytrader9606]

When will Vowsh debate tankies? Genuinely curious about this.

[@LewdConnoisseur]

There's no point.

[@JohnDoe-sw1sm]

he did earlier in his career. he had an anti-tankie arc

[@user-jx9uo1xy7c]

@@JohnDoe-sw1sm link?

[@sparksthedaytrader9606]

@@LewdConnoisseur Then why argue against actual Nazis but not Tankies?

[@Superman30970]

He debated a trotskyist on class reductionism if that counts

[@IdleWorker]

Vaush became destiny in this debate.

[@KentuckyFriedKitten666]

I don't know, men like Destiny are in SHORT supply.

[@travelerfinder7840]

You're pivoting

[@red-eyessolares1817]

I get why voting for the lesser of the two evils is important, but this cycle needs to stop. We need to promote other parties and stop giving Democrats and Republicans all the coverage. Let’s give the Green Party a fighting chance!

[@BrokenCurtain]

In America's political system, what's the difference between voting for "the lesser of two evils" and voting for "the best realistically available option"?

[@red-eyessolares1817]

BrokenCurtain Well from my perspective. We always go straight for the Democratic nominee. We should try to give another party a chance like the Green Party, and actually give them a shot. We can give the Green Party a chance by giving them actual promotion, instead of thinking of them as an afterthought. If we were able to promote a Senator that not many people knew prior to 2016, I think we can give the Green Party an actual chance. If that doesn’t work, then we can go for Biden.

[@BrokenCurtain]

@@red-eyessolares1817 Look, I'm from Germany and what you're suggesting works in my country because we have proportional representation. But your country doesn't. Instead, you have this thing called "spoiler effect", which is an atrocity in my opinion and it makes me sick to see how it suppresses political change. I'm a big fan of pluralism, and being able to vote for third parties - but in order to make this work in your country, you're going to need to reform your electoral system first and introduce ideas like instant-runoff voting or overhang mandates. Maybe rethink your priorities?

[@red-eyessolares1817]

BrokenCurtain I understand that there is a lot of institutional bias against Third Parties, but I think not trying to do the best we can is not great either. I rather try something that was against us than not to try at all. That doesn’t mean if it would not work I would not vote at all. I’ll vote for him if it comes down to it, but there is still time to try something new.

[@TribeByNoire]

No one is making an argument that shows Biden being better than Trump. Biden has bent the knee to the Republican party his entire political career. Why do people assume that would change. Obama's foreign policy was hawkish af. Do people honestly think Biden would be better? No one has been able to make the argument that Biden is better than trump.

[@robertknoll9641]

14:45 Vaush admits that one administration can indeed lead into another via public reaction to what happens and how things are handled.

[@Anthropomorphic]

I think he's saying that it isn't specific to who's president, but to the party in general. Whether it's president Bernie or president Biden, people would blame Team Blue.

[@robertknoll9641]

That is why I am voting green. Enough people vote third party it becomes relevant. Especially if they find out all the Bernie Busters opted out of the binary dynamic.

[@SeRoAnthem]

@@robertknoll9641 Voting third party in a FPTP system is throwing away your vote.

[@EnDoubleJay3309]

Vaush, have you considered talking to Kyle Kulinski aka Secular Talk on this issue? He is probably one of the most influential leftists, and he is a huge proponent of Bernie or Bust. Because of this, I am incredibly worried of the harm that may cause.

[@Slycoomer56]

He is definitely harming the movement.

[@Andrearuch97]

YOU RE MORONIC RADLIBS

[@nolifealan9746]

Vaush has offered to debate him he hasn't responded

[@Andrearuch97]

@@nolifealan9746 NO YOU DUMBASS

[@nolifealan9746]

@@Andrearuch97 what Vaush has

[@ummmmmmmmmmmnmmmm]

At school the teacher was teaching us about businesses. I was excited because my father owned a company which I wanted to take over one day. Then the teacher brought up worker co-ops. I immediately began to get nervous. The teacher singled me out and asked "what's your opinion on worker co-ops" Should I lie? Should I tell her what she wants to hear? No. I mustered up all the courage I could and said "Um I don't think worker co-ops would work. It doesn't make sense for every janitor and waitress to be making important decisions. Also it undermines the important work and innovations great men like my father do." "Oh..." The teacher looked shocked. The atmosphere of the room completely changed. Everyone in the class gave me dirty looks. Should I have lied? On the bus ride home I kept hearing people talk about me behind my back. Saying I'm not a comrade and my father is a capitalist pig. Then a group of students assaulted me on the bus. They stole all my money to "reclaim the value of their parents labour". I screamed out to the bus driver for help. As the bus driver turned around to see what was going on I got a look at his face. It was Karl Marx. "Don't worry", he exclaimed menacingly. "You won't be needing money where we're going." I looked out the windows and saw the bus drive passed my house. "Wait!" I yelled. "You passed my house". I looked out the window again and my heart sunk. There was a sign with an arrow pointing forward that read "GULAG this way" I looked down at my hands and noticed I was in hand cuffs. In a panic I glanced around and realized everyone else was also in chains. Then I noticed who the other passengers on the bus were. Jeff Bezos, Martin Shkreli, Elon Musk. They were all great intelligent men who have been stripped of their humility, integrity and wealth. Then I noticed something I wish I hadn't. I looked at the man sitting next to Mike Bloomberg. It was my father. He was curled up in a ball, muttering to himself about some sociologist that convinced him that worker co-ops were a superior business model. "I never should have believed him" he cried. "Sociology isn't a real science. All the studies he showed me came from San Francisco. Everyone knows San Francisco is a leftist city. What was I thinking" Tears began to well up in my eyes. I looked out my window again and saw Vaush hanging on the edge of the bus. As soon as we made eye contact I knew it was too late. He smashed through the window and started aggressively offering me puberty blockers. I kept saying I didn't want them and that I was too young to make that kind of decision but he wouldn't listen and tried to force feed as I screamed for help. I woke up in a cold sweat. It was all a dream. My father ran into my room and asked if I was okay. "Dad?" I asked nervously. "Yes honey?" He responded with a worried gaze. "Would you ever think of turning your business into a worker cooperative?" I asked. He laughed. "Is that what this is all about? Don't worry. That would never happen. Even if I thought one of my workers was planning on running a union or was asking to compare wages with other workers, I would fire them on the spot." I immediately felt a sense of relief come over me. Then I went back to bed and slept like a baby. God bless capitalism.

[@brandonden795]

what copy pasta is this?

[@lallig8860]

vaush: "you're being reductive" also vaush: "bill clinton was a progressive, so was bernie but just MORE progressive" oh yeah that's not reductionist at all. just put everyone on one "progressive" spectrum 😂😂

[@jcs6387]

The Trolley Problem has a right and a wrong answer.

[@lf4692]

based and J Cspilled

[@kalebsok2947]

Omg that guy was so aggressive and immature

[@KentuckyFriedKitten666]

It's fair for people to be upset re: Bernie dropping out but we need to keep our heads and move forward imho

[@tijuanaforeplay8232]

Yeah Vaush embarrasses himself sometimes.

[@AA-vr8ez]

Chad Dysvick #BIDEN2020

[@dahalofreeek]

I like Vaush a lot but he's kinda aggressive and immature in debates too.

[@blankslate7315]

Chad Dysvick Vaush is a lot of things, but no matter how much you may disagree with in the Bernie or bust thing (I do) he’s not part of the MAGA crowd.

[@KR811]

The Bernie or Bust movement still needs to vote progressives for Senate and Congress. They seem too focused on the presidency when we need to also focus on the Senate and House of Representatives too. Please fucking vote

[@RB3Vids]

Maybe watch one of Secular Talk’s latest vids on this, he definitely makes a better argument than this guy. I still disagree, but it’s better than this lol

[@torkelsvenson6411]

I'd love to see Vaush and Kyle actually have a constructive discussion on this.

[@BenReillySpydr1962]

@@torkelsvenson6411 Vaush would yell 1st so unless there's a moderator it would be chaos.

[@gdo3510]

Marshall J why can’t you you do both? Vote trump out, and also organize? I feel like you’re argument just makes the left more and more fringe.

[@BenReillySpydr1962]

@@gdo3510 Because if you saw from the unity Commission they won't push an agenda that conflicts with what the power structure wants. E.g. They voted down an environmental plan because it would step on Obama's toes. Dr. Cornell West spoke about this. There's many videos on here showing how the DNC and the RNC are promoting adversaries. Evidenced by the aforementioned and how both groups have the exact same donors. It's branding. For example Fox is an arm of the RNC and who's biggest donors are Comcast(Owns MSNBC) and TimeWarnerMedia inc.(Owns CNN) which are arms of the DNC which pushed to give Trump the nomination as shown by WikiLeaks. Think about how this was pushed into action by Bill Clinton who branded himself as a Republican Democrat(a call back to their official name) and created the telecommunications act where now less than 6 MSM companies control our access to information. I could go on but consider it from an economic standpoint. If the RNC & DNC where corporations (they are) how would you try to change the market if you wanted something different? That's what Marshall is talking about here. You may disagree but it's not irrational.

[@cb2818]

@@komlat253 This entire strategy is founded on the idea that the Establishment Dems will learn their lesson or actually take a hard look at themselves if they lose. So your options become choosing Biden with the zero leverage you have over the Democrats, or do nothing.

[@ShabazzTBL]

Im a socialist because of Bernie. I’m willing to beat a lot of people are and a lot more are now open to socialism because of him. A huge mistake that leftists make is that they think our position is a lot more powerful than it is. Im willing to bet that currently he have less people that Republicans do. Our numbers will be blustered by the next wave of young people in 2024 that will be able to vote but in the meantime we should be doing all we can to move other people our age.

[@Nuvizzle]

"I would vote for the second Hitler" --Vaush

[@DoctorJellicle]

Mask off, I guess

[@KZ-xt4hl]

Please tell me both of you are being ironic, cz if not your are both genuinely superficial to a comedic level

[@DoctorJellicle]

@@KZ-xt4hl yes, it was a joke

[@kayleebowens]

Does Vaush not remember that Trump did not win the popular vote last election?

[@waspoppin4784]

Kaylee Bowens yah I don’t think trump is gonna win this election

[@kayleebowens]

@@waspoppin4784 I'm referring to him saying that the blame would still be on those who didn’t vote for the Democratic candidate if Trump were to win. Vote Blue No Matter Who didn’t work in the last election because the Electoral College determined the outcome. If that happens again, who would he blame us for not voting Blue?

[@FranklynMonk]

“Closest we’ve ever gotten to a meaningful leftest presidency”… uhm, FDR.

[@boyo-shook3891]

FDR was actually a bit conservative - economically - for his time! The thing is he moved to the left on quite a few issues because it was good for the country. You know...like a president should.

[@lallig8860]

Boyo-Shook yeah because it is actually a conservative idea to save money through well funded & taken care of govt. programs, just gets lost in the "reee socialism"

[@josephk1342]

Relative to today, Biden is left of FDR.

[@boyo-shook3891]

@@josephk1342 No he is not, not in economic terms. Maybe you could argue that he is socially, but on economic terms the neoliberal austerity is far to the right of FDR's social democratic policies.

[@deviantsemicolon618]

FDR imprisoned Japanese-Americans during WWII

[@RussellReviewerFJV]

I can understand if your left-wing you probably don’t like Biden, but Howie Hawkin at best gets 1%. It’s gonna be Biden or Trump might as well pick between them

[@lf4692]

based and F JVpilled

[@0skim0]

Cannot disagree enough with vaush on this one, being nice only gets you so far , I want malcom x energy rather than bernie energy.

[@dmoneyonair]

Lumping him in with kyle is really unfair to kyle....

[@morgansong2456]

Kyle has had some pretty bad reductionist takes on Bernie’s campaign so not really

[@rhyscampbell3489]

watching kyle advocate for BoB and vaush advocating against it, i’m now realizing that kyle has some glaring issues that people should be aware of

[@hazelgriffin4336]

@@rhyscampbell3489 yes i've had a similar epiphany

[@spongebobsteveocov1769]

I’m starting to think Bernie or busters are just trolls who are trump supporters.

[@roberttheeternal978]

Some are, others are just pea brained

[@8bitkron1k38]

I feel like Vaush started making KZbin money and gave up all his edgy positions. I'm pretty sure his audience in large won't vote for Biden.

[@8bitkron1k38]

The real question is are you a progressive or a centrist? Third party or bust.

[@8bitkron1k38]

I have several studies and pollls that would debunk your entire notion of people not supporting Sanders or being on our side. A majority of the nation supports progressive policies and positions. They were cucked by the media into voting for Biden plain and simple.

[@8bitkron1k38]

@imuglierthanyou nO oNe SuPpOrTs PrOgReSsIvE pOlIcY morningconsult.com/senator-rankings/? - Most popular senators www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/us/politics/bernie-sanders-voters.html - Support amongst working class families and youth mobile.twitter.com/USPoliticsPoll/status/1237934245416439808?fbclid=IwAR0E93Mim6bsk9pKwiR7OLOuxXDzKuG4fIEENtXVg2XjTLqHtoGvIO48oVk - Favorable polling among independents www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/11/20-states-row-majority-democratic-primary-voters-support-medicare-all-over-private - Exit polls support for M4A morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coronavirus-pandemic/ - Increasing support for M4A amid coronavirus www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/02/poll-us-voters-really-do-care-about-climate-change/606907/ - Polling voters on climate change and election match ups Ok Boomer.

[@8bitkron1k38]

@imuglierthanyou news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx [1] www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/4/21164479/super-tuesday-results-exit-polls-turnout-patterns?fbclid=IwAR1L9paM3-qB91h1PU0__cAWC7DVLHML1klIuntOnI5NgiwCQJbwy7k_k6Q [2] - Exit polling from Super Tuesday Independents make up over a third of the electorate. [1] The youth did vote. Older generations outvoted them in larger numbers. [2] "[...]Democrats have a gigantic age gap The Democratic primary is probably best understood as generational warfare. Young voters overwhelmingly want Sanders, and older voters are just as resolutely behind Biden. Look at these exit poll numbers from ABC News/Washington Post: 58 percent of voters ages 18-29 voted for Sanders; just 17 percent picked Biden 41 percent of voters ages 30-44 felt the Bern; 23 percent chose Uncle Joe It flipped with voters ages 45-64 (42 percent for Biden, 25 percent for Bernie) Then the 65-and-over crowd was even more lopsided (48 percent for Biden and 15 percent to Sanders) And if young voters aren’t turning out as much as the Sanders campaign hoped, that’s an advantage for Biden.[...]" Sorry you drank the establishment Kool-Aid. I got cucked once but not twice. You can cosplay like you're making a moral choice for voting for the right corrupt racist rapist. Good luck lmao

[@klip8726]

I got cancelled for being a Vote Blue No Matter Who lefty, lmao.

[@whome3940]

I love you Vaush mate and have learned a lot from you, but Clinton was right wing on economic issues while being centre left on social issues. This is where your favoured one axis Left - Right political spectrum falls massively short, and why the XY political compass is so much better. I saw your video on Shapiro doing the political compass test, and at the end you said the compass is stupid without saying why. While far from perfect, the compass is far more descriptive and easier to explain to people than just Left-Right. Clinton was neoliberal to the core! Neoliberal economics is inarguably right wing.

[@rozzaziobrown6515]

Vaush can I come on and debate you? My bernie or bust position is far more tactical and honestly not to give myself too much credit but I think I'm more articulate than this guy. I understand your position but I have some questions about the tactics of it. I could be persuaded to vote Biden if you convinced me it wouldn't cause the left to cede all power and relevance.

[@waspoppin4784]

Rozzazio Brown please debate Vaush

[@BenReillySpydr1962]

Not everyone is a debater. Look how Ben Shapiro became popular. He debated amateurs not professionals.

[@thegrayghost1786]

@@BenReillySpydr1962 But Shapiro is trying to own the left, so he will stoop to any low to do that. Vaush is, from what I've seen, genuine enough not to do that.

[@BenReillySpydr1962]

@@thegrayghost1786 He wants to "own" the competition so... More like Destiny but more ideological. So like if Destiny and Hasan fused together.

[@joshuasalem5022]

Dude, it won’t cause the left to cede all power and relevance. AOC and Bernie are still going to be pushing for change if Biden wins. We will still be able to push our policies because we have the power to get our voices heard, and this movement is only growing. If you think the progress we are making would receive equal amounts of resistance from both Biden and Trump, I think you’re being incredulously foolish

[@Dafydd4]

OOOOOHHHHH I'M BUUUUUUUUUSTING

[@thebrutusmars]

Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’, Bustin’,

[@kyoungt14]

@@lot2973 COOOOOMMMMMEEERRR

[@robertknoll9641]

All the academic words cannot save Vaush from his terrible take on this. He is so upset that he is being challenged competently. I guess all that time talking to uninformed teens didn't prepare him for talking to an adult.

[@morgansong2456]

Did we watch the same debate? This dude had no arguments whatsoever

[@RisenSlash]

Ah yes, "academic words" as opposed to a simple consequentialist argument anyone with a modicum of selflessness would agree with.

[@DeepMythos]

What fucking video did you watch tankie? Holy shit if you listened to this guys ramblings and thought yup thats exactly why we shouldn't vote Biden then I'm sorry but you sir are braindead

[@ashlynmiller3000]

So from a consequentialist POV, how do you justify the inevitable shift towards evil that voting for the lesser of two evils provides?

[@nomadicwarmachine7101]

Ashlyn XnylhsA Gadow Advocate against it but acknowledging the less evil is more preferable than the more evil.

[@Anthropomorphic]

He doesn't consider it to be inevitable, and dismisses the idea as unsubstantiated. For the radical, the entire world is mostly shades of evil; and any change that doesn't get you everything you want in an instant is a move from greater to lesser evil.

[@blungus9574]

How is it a shift towards evil exactly? It's inherently a shift away from evil. Is it enough by itself? Certainly not. That's why political change shouldn't end after the election.

[@blungus9574]

Javier Merino Letting the greater evil win is... inherently greater in evil?? Like if you admit that Trump is worse than Biden the obvious choice is Biden. Which does not give Biden a free pass. But fortunately politics doesn’t end after Election Day.

[@blungus9574]

Javier Merino oh sorry I misread you as being Bernie or bust. My bad.

[@pramodmicelli]

Every bernie buster is a 20 something white kid born to liberal parents and educated in the suburbs. Most of them just need is a decent therapist.

[@cfromkc5096]

Dude said he was a 27 year old black guy in Ohio

[@pramodmicelli]

@@cfromkc5096 Yes, I heard that. Let me correct myself by saying the vast majority of them are. I'm taking this guy at his word.

[@Charagrin]

If voting for either Biden or Trump is the option, vote green party instead. Same end result,with the added benefit of the green party getting it's 5% to get on stage for the next cycle.

[@sweetemochung7034]

Lol what a waste of time.

[@pdawg193]

I can tell this guy is drunk on the Kyle Kulinski kool-aid.

[@princessnamine100]

Thing is, I'm not convinced Biden would be better than Trump. At all.

[@janalonso3566]

I don't think so either, the thing that matters is what happens during that presidency. For example a supreme court position opening up. Who would be a better president in that time? One who seems to be at the front of an ideology that doesn't believe in the rights of some people? Or one that makes relatively progressive choices, when compared to other democratic candidates not including Senator Sanders?

[@princessnamine100]

@@janalonso3566 I don't care how "comparatively progressive" Biden is at all, Biden has already express he will veto M4A. And I bet you if congress pulled their heads out of their asses and voted for it, Trump would sign it. He has already expressed being favorable to such a system. Biden will not be any better on climate change, and I'm not convinced he will do anything effective in that regard. And they're equivalent in terms of warmongering tendencies and Biden is worse on gun rights than Trump. Remember Beto? He wants to put him in charge of gun control.

[@janalonso3566]

@@princessnamine100 I agree with all of these points, and I guess it's more my perspective on who wins the presidency that I'm arguing from. If Trump is allowed another presidency, there's a very good chance many minorities will become disenfranchised through a supreme court, whereas Biden, sure he'd probably elect centrist judges who could be convinced of either going for or against the disenfranchisement of minorities. But I'd prefer those types of judges than the possibly far right judges Trump might put in court. The more progressive policies, we can pressure Congress with, in a Biden presidency.

[@radred609]

Imagine being a leftist and not voting for the most progressive candidate

[@impulse123456]

This is my problem with Bernie Bros if it's not Bernie they make no sense. They're the little kid that didn't get what they want so they took their ball and went home.

[@magnus_cockstrong]

Bernie did with a single presidential campaign what no leftist had done in at least 50 years, which is to say he became relevant. Turns out some mild but legitimate left politics became relevant along with him. As someone who was initially upset with Bernie for dropping out, I now realize that the left in America truly owes him everything.

[@frausteiner8615]

Vaush couldn't be more correct here.

[@frausteiner8615]

@BARF Seriously? Do you think things would be no different if Hillary won? The SCOTUS alone shows why we need to vote for the lesser evil every time.

[@saintnicole3209]

vaush looking into the camera like he's on the office KILLED ME lmao

[@aino1010]

"I wanna be ABLE TO SAY I DIDNT HELP THEM" how can he not hear how awful and selfish that sounds

[@deangelocarter9180]

Leftist: we want healthcare Trump: no, I’ll veto Biden: no, I’ll veto Leftist: they are completely different

[@dontsubscribe7175]

Literally 1 issue.

[@deangelocarter9180]

Don't Subscribe I can think of other issues that this apply to like taxes, war, regulations, etc

[@jmanakajosh9354]

Name an issue this doesn't apply to? And don't say the Paris Climate accord. Because that was bullshit anyway, without any change to major poluters. And *can you imagine a worse policy than a carbon tax? or carbon tax credits? you'll never win an election again!*

[@Mr.Amazing_-xg6xn]

Yes???

[@eman22017]

They are vastly different on healthcare alone. Biden wants to expand and strength a public option (Obamacare) while Trump wants to weaken and defund it.

[@lf4692]

this guy was kind of close to getting it, but he just kept digging his heels in at the 1 yard line😭😭😭sooooo so sad

[@AimEe-gv7ye]

Jesus Christ is this the thought process of a Bernie or Buster? How tragic

[@Scroteydada]

Judging by these comments, yes

[@arcarsenal1380]

Yea that totally how it works. This one guy represents everyone that holds that position

[@Landiggy33]

Who is he debating?? The dude has drank all the koolaid.

[@Landiggy33]

@Born2Blaze go back to Russia bot

[@mayayamato7351]

this guy didn't argue very well. I still have major doubts long term about Biden reducing harm save for the supreme court obviously. I guess my personality is just predisposed to thinking about what the worst outcome to each possible action is.

[@theuscivicsnerd7070]

It's more practical to think of the worst possible outcome. For too long people have been overly optimistic and try to not look at things from a worst case scenario possibility. I was heart broken and a never Biden for a bit but even though I don't like him and think he's a weak candidate he has an alright platform with some improvements but he's bad at communicating his platform at the moment. I will vote for him and if he wins we hold his feet to the fire to get him to move towards progressive policies and if he doesn't, elect a Congress that pressures him, if that still doesn't work primary him if he wants to run for reelection.

[@mayayamato7351]

@@theuscivicsnerd7070 its utterly tiring though. I want to be more optimistic because typically the worst possible thing isn't the most immediate. Like I wanna embody "prepare for the worst, hope for the best" because that sounds way less tiring than depression and doomerism.

[@theuscivicsnerd7070]

@@mayayamato7351 I had more optimism going into this year and with Bernie but now we have to think about survival and pressuring the powers at be to push a progressive agenda with the most efficient resources and figure out how to reshape the DNC and state parties.

[@owen3721]

@@theuscivicsnerd7070 *clap clap*

[@cameronthaijohnson]

This is such a ridiculous argument. Millions of people getting access to healthcare, the impact of judge appointments, handling of covid, more progressive tax policy, criminal justice reform, and so many other differences VS. "but voting for Biden feels bad to me personally." Even if a difference in policy is small, the impact is massive on hundreds of millions of people. We can't get caught up by how our vote feels to the material detriment of so many people. Do the right thing.

[@kylebfeye9850]

Chomsky just destroyed this mans species

[@lf4692]

its literally so sad that people couldn’t figure this out for themselves and needed chomsky to slap them back into reality

[@kjez]

I felt what this guy was trying to say at some points. Not the worst takes, just not that great at arguing his points which made him seem really shitty.

[@rickded2860]

Triggered Bernie or Bust people XD

[@sparksthedaytrader9606]

Not as triggered as Hillary stans when she got her cheeks clapped.

[@rickded2860]

@@sparksthedaytrader9606 Hillary sucks but trump barely won.

[@sparksthedaytrader9606]

@@rickded2860 Tell us that when the popular vote actually matters.

[@rickded2860]

@@sparksthedaytrader9606 Wtf are you talking about?

[@sparksthedaytrader9606]

@@rickded2860 Trump 'barely won' through a 74 electoral vote surplus. Just stop.

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

Dude was just ODed on secular talk baby

[@mikealexander1935]

You are wrong about Bernie being the closest we got to a socialist alternative. The New Dealers FDR and Johnson were closer. They managed to create a situation where the REPUBLICANS were promoting stuff further to the left of all but two Democratic candidates in 2020. OTOH, he IS the furthest left we have seen since the Reagan Revolution in 1980.

[@FortuitousOwl]

Sometimes I feel like Bernie or busters aren’t fucking stupid and then I remember this debate

[@kamyab4597]

These Bernie or busters would rather see the millions of people around the world suffer in order to keep their hands clean, rather than making the difficult but obviously correct choice of voting for the more progressive candidate. It's the most childish thing i think I've ever seen and its fucking disgusting.

[@idiot_rat]

Would those millions of people seemingly not suffer under Biden? Lol childish bRo

[@kamyab4597]

'Who cares if the ground is staind with blood. My hand are clean lmao' is what you can boil his argument down to.

[@kamyab4597]

@@idiot_rat Less people would suffer under Biden. You can reduce suffering by voting for Biden.

[@toddpacker4683]

@@idiot_rat more people would suffer under trump and you know it

[@kamyab4597]

Also, how can this dipshit accuse vaush of giving up when he and his ilk have given up voting and are practically handing trump a second term.

[@darkrider962]

I live in a dark blue state (WA) so I have 0 reason to vote for Biden in November. I would most likely vote for him if I lived in ANY swing state though.

[@Slycoomer56]

Bernie or buster proving your point. All emotional and sounding like he is about to cry.

[@azzanine1710]

A better point is that a non vote is a half vote for both candidates. You support both sides as non votes are counted as "Don't care enough to have a say" a non vote is counted as a half vote for bothsides. That's ignoring the fact that not voting gives both candidates no reason to listen to you, you become politically irrelevant. I think this fellow Vaush was arguing with is under the impression that by voting for Biden is in effect rewarding Biden and the center left. Forgetting the consequences of the reality of 4 more years of Trump would bring. If there was killer with a knife going at an innocent person and you had a gun. You have 3 choices; the insane choice would be to shoot the innocent person. The next obvious choice is to shoot the killer. The last potential decision is to not shoot anything. Out of those 3 choices 2 of them are more likely to lead to death of the innocent. Sure, you don't have blood on your hands with the inaction option, but you share a modicum of culpability. Ideally the best way to live morally is to achieve the best outcome you can see, when you see it if you are able.

[@ibringit987]

These Bernie or bust debates are both aggravating and hilarious. At the same time, these people will argue that there's an imperative to what they're doing and that we 'don't have time' to radicalize democratic voters but we *Do* have time to start a socialist party from the ground up to make it more viable than the democratic party and eventually take the white house its astonishing

[@justinakkerman9196]

Oh man Vaush... I just started watching your channel today and you are my favorite hahaha. I fucking loved this video.

[@lf4692]

Based and Akkermanpilled

[@SpiderWick12]

If it weren't for you and Destiny, I might still be listening to Kuliniski today. Not sure, but it's very possible. Thank you for getting me out of that.

[@caseypdx503]

Amen dude.. I've lost a lot of respect for Kyle because of this, tbh

[@SpiderWick12]

@@caseypdx503 It's not just this. I have quite a few issues with him. Most of those issues I've always kinda had, but I never really thought about them until Destiny started going after him. I wish I didn't need someone else to criticize Kyle before I started seriously questioning him, but in this case I apparently did.

[@hazelgriffin4336]

kyle generally has good takes, but some are reductionist, he's terrible on bernie or bust (even when he says he's a "policy guy") and he comes off as a narcissist too.

[@SpiderWick12]

@@hazelgriffin4336 I think he's generally good on the macro-scale, just like I think almost every socdem is generally good on the macro-scale. (He's also charismatic and convincing to many people--notably apolitical people and the populist Trumpists--which is good for socdems.) But in the details, I respectfully think he's quite bad. He's not necessarily any less nuanced than most KZbinrs on the left, but I think most KZbinrs on the left (and everywhere else) tend to lack nuance.

[@yathusanthulasi]

Kyle is good on everything but the never biden issue

[@xwarrior760]

Quite possibly the most satisfying Vaush debate ever.

[@fivestarman5130]

Also back when Vaush was really fucking aggressive in debates. I can't even begin to imagine the scenes if this version of Vaush went up against Charlie Kirk lmao

[@xwarrior760]

@@fivestarman5130 Thanks for reminding me of this cringe comment. I find Vaush reprehensible now

[@xpropriation8505]

@@xwarrior760 lmao L

[@TheVibes101]

​@@xwarrior760what happened lol?

[@ourfatherinthegreen4065]

For me, and I think the big reason why I won't vote for Biden, is because I seriously don't think he'll win. There is so much flak that could be railed against him that would stick, and alot of people in *swing states* would either vote Trump or not vote at all in those states, which is where not voting really matters and actually helps Trump. This "compromise/concessions" conversation is a waste of time, we should never trust the likes of Biden and his ilk, EVER.

[@hoveringvan9961]

Lol

[@heatedwater1087]

If the choice is a broken fire extinguisher vs an arsonist you better believe I'd vote for the broken fire extinguisher

[@theprogresbyterian3634]

I was speechless when imyourblueberry argued that saving 100,000 lives was pointless because the families of the drone strike victims "would hate us either way." If we save 100,000 lives, that's a GOOD thing. It's called harm reduction.