YOU'RE NOT USING ENOUGH SURFACE!

[@jameslawrence5902]

This is why your channel rocks.

[@jerrypinotti4792]

I just started getting coaching. The very first lesson I had my coach took my ball and added surface.

[@ObjectiveEthics]

Best bowling channel on youtube

[@brunsnick]

Thank you!

[@remington1439]

What a great clinic 12:19 that last shot from 15 to 4 was great. I always carry my pads as Nick said.

[@jcollura6766]

Nick is SO right (of course). As a low Rev player I just hit my favorite ball with 3k grit. Now it saves up it's energy going down the lane so when it hits the dry it jumps at the pocket.

[@doglover74651]

Hands down your best video of 2024!!

[@squidly2112]

I don't play with my surface nearly enough. I do re-surface my bowling balls occasionally, back to box finish, but I really need to better learn how to adjust the surface during play. Perhaps I need to spend a couple of practice sessions playing around with surface so I can get a feel how to dial in my ball reaction. This is a GREAT video! .. Thanks Nick !!!

[@brunsnick]

Couldn’t hurt to see!

[@jcollura6766]

Most serious leagues you can't add surface to a ball mid-game.

[@Denali_Rebel]

Well unless you cheat you’re not allowed to change surface after the first throw in league play.

[@BigB_62]

So once you've changed surface and have the ball dialed in, how long will that new surface last? How many games?

[@brunsnick]

Depends how dull and what kind of ball, but in this scenario, it’ll be good for a few games at least. I don’t need it to last all tournament usually, just enough to get me through the first game or two until I can move in and play with the friction I helped create.

[@ToddKrueger-nt5me]

I resurface balls by hand every 6 games

[@alrickcourten6124]

This one video answered at least 5 of my questions. Thanks!!

[@gordon3576]

Sanded my BW 3.0 and scored my highest game ever. It truly works!

[@Find.list.ship66]

What grit did you use? I need it to not hook so much

[@TheBowlingFool76]

@@Find.list.ship66 I think I sanded it using 1000 and 1500 grit. If its hooking too much I'd go 2500-3000

[@JSBowling2011]

Great job Nick!!

[@donreinholz8121]

Great video. It's surprising to me how many seniors don't wipe or clean their ball after bowling and how many don't use surface. My bowling alley uses such a thin layer of oil that you have to constantly adjust and usually I move back right because of lane burning up even in the first game. I will try a detox and see if that allows me to play longer in the same line to the pocket.

[@dd101dd4]

Thanks for this! I add surface a lot as I like to play straight and keep it in front of me. My game is weak when hooking it. So I do my best to keep all my equipment fresh before league night.

[@quietguy5468]

Of course you have to do this before or during warmups in competition.

[@brunsnick]

Correct.

[@DtKnize]

Thanks again Nick, League night starts tonight, who knows if the lane machine is working properly or not. Last time throwing practice the lanes were dry. I have my new sanding pads in the bag.

[@Caddrel]

You made this video at the exact perfect time for me! I'm a beginner with a Hustle that has a lot of lane shine on it now after 40-50 games, going to hit it with pads tomorrow!

[@jpoconnell999]

I have the Brutal Collision with the box surface. It either sails or is the sharpest thing I've ever thrown, so I'll probably gonna hit it with 2000 here pretty soon.

[@kingsley220]

Greetings from Thailand. Speed dominant and been using lots of surface here too. Quick solution to f...ed up oil machines at my center and sport patterns at tournaments.

[@hammertime6066]

😊😮WOW THIS WAS GREAT 👍 AWESOME VIDEO YOUR THE MAN TY SO MUCH FOR HELPING US WITH THIS

[@brunsnick]

Glad to help!

[@butchcoolidge3261]

Hey Nick, I just wanted to say thank you for your video. It couldn’t have come at a better time for me. I bought a new pearl ball last night, and I couldn’t get it to do anything. I was really frustrated. I used it in league a little and then threw 3 of my worst games ever after practicing. I talked to my pro shop guy, and he suggested hitting it with a 4000 pad to start. It started to get better. I then hit it with a 3000 pad, and game changer. I threw a couple 200 games, and it was strong and controllable and went through the pins hard. I watched your video this morning and it was really helpful. Thanks again.

[@brunsnick]

@@butchcoolidge3261 great to hear! Don’t be afraid to freshen it up often!

[@normanstubbins8382]

Excellent video! This helps a lot because I am more speed dominant and have seen these situations you’ve just shown. Thanks a lot!

[@matthewberwald1691]

Pearls I knock the shine off of, nice 3k then 4k pad. Solids I usually set to 3k, and one at 2k just in case unless I know what I'm bowling on

[@darylgould8923]

Fantastic video.. learnt a lot . Thank you.

[@garyloomis4961]

That's some great information nick , thank you bro for your video...

[@edisonnarvaez8388]

Thank you, lots of good information. I'm always afraid of using surface, thanks

[@neilfrank2198]

Thanks Nick . I've been thinking a lot about this topic with my Hazmat . . I think I will drop it to 1500 just to see what happens

[@charlessmith8474]

Just now getting back into leagues. Glad to get more information on these things as before I only really knew about how to throw a ball/moving boards to help.

[@frisbeefrolf]

Cannot wait for a Vaporize video, man! Maybe you can compare it with the Theorem, Beyond, or Effect?? Super excited to see that one!

[@sriley064]

Yeah i hit my proton with surface the other night,burnt up instantly and i didn't know until i pulled out a shiny,it barely hooked

[@b.r.fowler785]

14:00 Best part of any BrunsNick video. 😂🤣

[@brunsnick]

I was so in the moment too, still rears its ugly head 😂

[@larrylacroix3944]

Very good video. Interesting

[@brunsnick]

Thanks Larry! Hope it helps!

[@commentary1]

Thank you for the breakdown! This is super informative and you broke it down perfectly!

[@petermilder1912]

Nick, or should I say King of the 8 Pin, great video about surface. I know I don't use it nearly enough although I'm getting better. This video just encourages me keep adjusting it to help shape a shot I'm comfortable playing.

[@duncanakana7865]

Great learning video. So how long does the change in surface last? 3 games? 9 games? and to reverse the process? I assume polishing or take it to your pro shop?

[@brunsnick]

Depends how dull you go really but yes, should get you through the games you need. And yes, to go back up to polish or compound correctly will require a spinner. Hard to do by hand.

[@paulmaffeo2835]

Good video.Learned something from it.

[@glajah6380]

Thank you very much for the info! How many times can a surfacing pad be used? I am new and don't know but I will be using this forever more!

[@brunsnick]

With SiaAir, pads will last anywhere between 10-30 uses before degrading

[@septembertwenty-nine9989]

Thank you..... Abalon pads lose some of their grit after each use. Doesn't a 1000 act more like a 2000 pad after a few uses? How many uses at the assigned grit can I expect before reassigning the grit?

[@JamesCFelty3]

I always try out of box first then adjust the surface to my preference.

[@brunsnick]

@@JamesCFelty3 perfect 👍🏻

[@JamesCFelty3]

@@brunsnick works like a charm.

[@dongarnerjr.1055]

Thanks all of your tips and reviews has helped me to improve my game!!!!

[@brunsnick]

You’re welcome 👍🏻

[@Breaking_bogey]

I usually keep most of my solids at 1500. Pearls I knock the shine off with 2000.

[@Denali_Rebel]

Our house shot varies drastically week to week. Also difficult to find the surface needed when you get maybe 4 shots during warmup since everyone wants to wait for every other bowler to throw their practice shots.

[@coryholloway3605]

Great video! Thank you

[@HaroldJackson]

Love this video. My problem is my ball needs to be sanded again after the first game. So this Friday night I'm going to prepare 2 balls. 😂🎳 My TNT and my Hammer Scorpion!😮

[@CaponeSlays]

Wow this video is perfect. This was my exact problem lol

[@willieyoung7070]

I’ve recently begun to experiment with surface and it’s definitely a game changer. I took my purple hammer down to 500 and I definitely had to bring it back up ASAP. I am more rev than speed, and my purple hammer took off. I also brought my Hazmat Hybrid down to a 1000 and I actually somewhat like how it turned out. I am still playing with it, but that is an area where I can see myself leaving my Hazmat Hybrid at. I am curious about my other two balls, which are the Nu blue and the Black widow 2.0. So if anyone in the comments have experience with changing the surface on those two balls, please feel free to let me know. Another great video like always Nick 👊👊👊

[@brunsnick]

Thanks Willie! Keep experimenting!

[@andrewweltlich9065]

For me, Black Widow 2.0 is best at 2000 grit

[@willieyoung7070]

@@andrewweltlich9065 I was actually thinking about that! I am going to try it, appreciate it

[@douglasbuck8986]

BW 2.0 ...... 1800 grit ........followed by CTD P5000D .........

[@lockedonlaw]

And, there's the issue. If you use too much surface on the ball, you're screwed. You can't fix it mid-game.

[@turtled361]

Something I've been experimenting with lately is how I layer my surface. Going down to 3k is very different from going up to 3k.

[@brunsnick]

Yes, much difference, usually needs a spinner to do properly. Too much elbow grease needed

[@ThatCuddlesGuy]

Here’s a big debate I have with a lot of other bowlers.. I always dry sand my ball, no matter the surface I put I always do it dry.. a lot of other people will use ball cleaner on the pad and then surface.. do you think this really makes a difference wet or dry?? I feel dry gives it a true surface and gives it more teeth

[@brunsnick]

If on a spinner, use water. If by hand, dry.

[@surfboardshack3327]

Adding water on the pad and doing it by hand increases the grit. i.e. 2k pad will turn into a 3k pad.

[@avos5]

Immediate send to my league teammates who are afraid to come near a ball with a pad

[@kevinscarborough9982]

I've never used abralon pads before. I get nervous about not doing right and not getting all the surface properly.

[@MidgetMidget]

After the 2nd game out the box, i hit my Arctic Vibe with 2000 grit, didn't notice much... until I stopped after game 4, thanked my PSO and went home, woke up the next day, and went bowling at my home center, 1st game on their house shot? 299. Guess my inner sanding demon knew something to hit that thing with 2000 after just 2 games with it. I'll add another quick sanding story real quick, my very first tournament that we planned for, my coach and I agreed to hit my reality with 500... and I still had to play dead up 8 throwing it 60%, college shots are NO JOKE.

[@EddieEhret]

I bought the harsh reality like 5 weeks ago and it came out of the box with a 2000 surface on it and i only bowl league 1 night a week but the day before i hit it with a 2000 abralon pad the night before and ive avgd around roughly 650 since from around 195 avg. I know u only do brunswick but besides all that having that 2000 abralon surface has changed my game quite a bit. ( knock on wood). Hopefully i can keep that up remainder of the season.

[@joehoenig7596]

Could you please do a sequel vid about pre-surfacing, or changing surface before bowling for score starts? As we all know, we can't change surface once competition starts. so how do we figure out what surface we need?

[@brunsnick]

Sure, I can do a follow up but a lot of what I will talk about is knowing what you’re about to bowl on, and how you plan to attack the pattern with what you brought. It’ll come down to experience and trusting what your eyes are seeing.

[@joehoenig7596]

@@brunsnick Thank you. You could combine this topic with the broader topic of deciding which balls to bring to an event, when logistics won't allow you to run out to get another ball from your trunk. And then, if you guessed incorrectly, or somewhat incorrectly, how can you use surface to make what you brought usable? That would be helpful to me...

[@azmicrodtdude]

I keep all of my solids at 1,000 and urethanes 360 or lower. I bowl league at a bowlero so if i use it have have to clean it and then a ride on the ball spinner to truly clean it. Im like you and have a ball speed from 16-18 normally. Great video!

[@mtrithart]

Just making sure everyone knows the rules for USBC leagues: Rule 18 - Bowling Ball - Altering Surface While bowling in USBC competition, a bowling ball cannot: a. Have the surface altered by the use of an abrasive. b. Be cleaned with any liquid substance or cleaning agent. c. Have any foreign material on it including, but not limited to, powder, rosin, marker or paint. All bowling balls so altered or cleaned must be removed from the competition. NOTE: Should a foreign substance appear on the outer surface of a bowling ball which cannot be removed with a dry towel, an approved cleaner may be used with consent from a league or tournament officer

[@AceInTheHole900]

A 2000 and 3000 pad are my best friends most of the time. When bowling on lots of volume, my 1000 pad gets used, and I always hammer my urethane with 500 before each use

[@cmihale]

Nick, you talked about using surface for speed dominant players like yourself (have no trouble creating speed, but sometimes struggle to generate hook). What about the opposite - rev dominant players (like 2H) who generally throw shinier stuff but sometimes run into over/under conditions. Can the same solution apply - add surface to make the ball read earlier and smooth out the back end?

[@brunsnick]

Yes absolutely. Surface will bring the reaction closer to you bleeding more energy allowing the ball to roll off the end of the pattern. More control 👍🏻

[@drakebarefoot5213]

I am total opposite...my problem is always too strong. I am REV dominant and have issues getting enough down lane carry through the breakpoint. Always wind up playing 40 board or even throwing over the left gutter.

[@Find.list.ship66]

Same

[@timothyhaynes5282]

I have a gb5 and always hit ot with a 1000 grit pad after like every 6 games

[@hughramirez7463]

I agree 👍

[@TrandafirRuby]

I carry 500, 1000, 2000. I have to carry around 3 to 5 500 grit pads cuz of all the sport and challenge shots multiple times a week. Tomato ball and black hammer shine up quick xwx

[@shinobiassault2338]

When will get any video of the mesmerize even a sneak peak on the lane? Please and thank you

[@brunsnick]

After 7/30 👍🏻

[@shinobiassault2338]

@@brunsnick thank you for the reply. Can't wait to see it....also but it's so far away lol

[@derekrojoharrington9445]

Great video as usual Nick, thanks. Going on the opposite direction. If I am constantly overhooking and going brooklyn on a 2k grit surface: Should i resurface up to 3k or 4k to allow the ball to travel a bit more? Found myself opening the angle way too much standing on 42 and crossing the entire lane to get the ball to slow down and get into the pocket. Thanks!

[@brunsnick]

Yes, or even go shiny.

[@robertvanepps7779]

If a lane is burnt, can you adjust surface to get ball through the heads easier?

[@brunsnick]

Not as easily, no. You’ll need to a spinner to polish or bring to a smoother finish. This is why your dry lane ball shouldn’t be dull to begin with.

[@LONGBEACH2ARIZONA]

Thanks for all the vids and info. Love the content. Quick question: my layout is 55x4.5x30 and I want more length, would you increase the drill angle or pin-pap?

[@brunsnick]

You could just pick a ball with lower flare potential and cleaner cover if that layout works best for you.

[@LONGBEACH2ARIZONA]

⁠thank you for that advice. An alternative I did not consider . Thanks and keep making great content!

[@allen78331]

I really want to try that ? On my black widow but ? I got feeling I might screw up my ball.

[@brunsnick]

Won’t screw anything up. And if you don’t like it, it can be put back to box surface pretty easily.

[@traviskirk3834]

I carry my trucut pads from 80 to p5000d and the purple wow factor and the polish kit for by hand the ball will be at 6000 grit

[@michaeljamrozy4299]

@@traviskirk3834 80!!!

[@MikeyBrosas]

Can you do a review with these new strong sum solids. GB5 vs Hazmat Solid vs Idol

[@brunsnick]

I have done Hazmat and GB5. They’re on my channel. 👍🏻

[@anthonyglammeyer3606]

What would you do with surface if the lane is already hooking a lot

[@brunsnick]

@@anthonyglammeyer3606 use less or just use shinier equipment. Always let the ball reaction be your guide.

[@StephRenee812]

What a game-changer...

[@leonardwong5968]

Nice one, Mr BrunsNick Sir. To me after when i've seen your this video, 2000 grit pad does not help that much. 1000 and 1500 grit pad are much better pin reactions and strikes.

[@jazzscott4604]

Question: When are they going to release stealth hybrid footage

[@brunsnick]

@@jazzscott4604 later this month

[@levihayes5365]

But it normally smooths out the backend motion correct? Burns up more causing less snap

[@brunsnick]

@@levihayes5365 not everyone will see the same motion because of differences in the way we throw it but the ball needs to slow down in order to strike. Sanding a ball will bring the reaction closer to you, and will smooth it out, but the ball still needs to read the lane pattern.

[@chiappettamark]

Our house went short oil this Summer, sooo 2000+, even 3000-5000 may be the deal.

[@matthewglaze5398]

Sanded my 20 year old storm xfactor duece with 400 grit sand paper. that shit hooks great now.

[@Filipesun]

can you do this to solid balls too? or just pearls.

[@brunsnick]

@@Filipesun you can do it to any ball. (This is a solid btw)

[@Filipesun]

@@brunsnick its a solid but shiny?

[@brunsnick]

@@Filipesun correct.

[@GrumpaBaggins]

I've been trying surfacing for the first time lately. It's been trial and error, with mostly error 😂. I think I'll get it figured out. Anyone have tips for a good grit on the Perfect Mindset or Theorem? I have CTD pads and conditioner.

[@brunsnick]

@@GrumpaBaggins start high and work your way down is usually the way to go.

[@GrumpaBaggins]

@@brunsnick thanks Nick. I'll give it a go. Always love the videos!

[@GrumpaBaggins]

@brunsnick I dropped the Perfect Mindset to 2000 and slowed my speed. It's starting to finally hook some. I might try 1500, but I thought I'd see how it works for 10 games or so first.

[@surfboardshack3327]

What do you recommend for high friction SPL? Need the surface to get the ball to hook but it burns up and flat 10s all day. Seems like it’s always burning up or too clean.

[@brunsnick]

Maybe a lower flaring ball with surface might be the answer.

[@surfboardshack3327]

@@brunsnick will try that. Thanks for the tip

[@dons2470]

Do you recommend a certain brand of pads?

[@brunsnick]

Siaair

[@dons2470]

@@brunsnick thanks for the info! Love watching your videos, keep up the awesome work!!

[@tramski1275]

If the factory finish is 500/1000/1500 how do adding 2000 make it earlier? Thanks!

[@brunsnick]

It doesn’t. This scenario is with a ball that comes out of the box shiny with compound.

[@staceyroberts3207]

Hey, Brunsnick! I have an off subject question, but going back to to your review of the Dark Web and building a Hammer arsenal...would you still recommend getting the Dark Web or just go with a newer and better ball instead? Thanks

[@brunsnick]

If they’re still available sure! Great ball to control patterns on fresh.

[@marlowhuff5975]

What grits do you recommend for Rev dominate players?

[@Breaking_bogey]

I’m 16 mph at the pins and 450 revs. I keep my solids at 1500 and pearls at 2000 on a house shot. But I also play deeper in the lane and can manipulate hand position

[@brunsnick]

Depends on oil patterns really. There’s no one size fits all.

[@Jordankons123]

Does sand paper work the same for my bowling ball?

[@brunsnick]

Yes

[@taylorkiss4168]

How do you decide this quick enough in warmups? lol

[@brunsnick]

Having an idea of what you’re bowling on helps a great deal and having experience to trust your eyes to make quick decisions.

[@michaeljamrozy4299]

I'm bowling 42' Kegel Autobahn tomorrow. Advice I've found for this pattern is to avoid surface because it will make the shot more difficult. Nick, if the word is not to go nuts on surface, but for sport control is your friend, any wisdom?

[@brunsnick]

Advice is one thing, first hand experience is another. Let your ball reaction be your guide on this one.

[@michaeljamrozy4299]

@@brunsnick Sounds good! I've got 3 weeks on this pattern. I'm going to try the avoid too much surface tomorrow...Perhaps pick a ball for the following week to bring the surface down for fresh just to compare

[@cheynrnye7589]

I've noticed when using something that has polish on it after a few games seems to get lane shine is it true or is it just me I end up hitting my stuff with 5000 grit or even 4000 grit

[@brunsnick]

It’s usually the slightly duller ones that get lane shined, not the polished ones.

[@Filard25]

Maybe a dumb question but what if I need the shine back after I surface it?

[@ericle6984]

Polish

[@brunsnick]

@@Filard25 if you want to bring it back to factory finish, in this case, you’d want to repeat the steps from the beginning. 500, 1000, 1500 Siaair / Factory Compound. Best done on a spinner or resurfacing machine.

[@Filard25]

@@brunsnick ahh. Okay. Thanks so much for the reply.

[@Filard25]

@@ericle6984 thank you!! 🙏

[@justinkolodziej5695]

Next time: 10 minutes in the Lustre- King! Will it clog the pores or still absorb oil? (if there's even one that works somewhere in there haha)

[@jasperjones7836]

After I apply surface to my balls, Ive noticed the first shot always bites early. Every shot afterwards they seem to do what I was going for. I wouldnt judge the difference from surface by the results of the first shot afterwards. Roll ya one or two shots after applying surface then make the call 👌

[@elr2141979]

Adding surface to your ball can be like a double-edged sword. This video leaves out a couple of key situations. 1. in most Leagues you only have 10 minutes of warm-ups typically with more than one player on the lane. 2. This means what he's demonstrating is completely unrealistic. Because when other players start throwing the ball it creates a little track area on the lane. 3. the biggest problem with changing surface on your bowling ball once you start competition you cannot alter the ball. If you're bowling in sanction competition* This means in games 2 and 3 when the front part of lanes go away That ball you surfaced is only good for one game. What will eventually happen is your ball will start to use a too much of its energy in the front part of Lane and deflect because there's not enough oil on the lane. I know this is a long comment but I usually leave my bowling balls out of box finish 😊

[@brunsnick]

@@elr2141979 assuming you only have 1 ball, but almost all advanced players have an arsenal they use. In a league situation, it’s completely realistic to touch up a ball in practice to match the conditions you’re seeing that day. Even if you only use the duller ball for a game, it’s better to match up right out of the gate of grinding out shots until it comes to you.

[@elr2141979]

@@brunsnick keep in mind that most League bowlers have a arsenal of bowling balls.

[@manaflala]

Because of how expensive pads can get I use scotch pads I get from work 😂 240, 360, 400, 600, 1000, 1500, 2000, 3000. I know Mo was a big proponent of abrasive pads over sanding pads. I only used sanding pads when I do a resurface on the Haus machine. 🤙🏾

[@brunsnick]

I used scotch brite in the resurfacer for that same reason. But this was before sanding pads really took off.

[@tortoisenight2078]

"No, no, maybe BrunsNick's right, maybe I'm NOT using enough surface" 🤔🤔 - Me with my 1000 grit Purple Hammer

[@brunsnick]

MORRRREEEEEE 😎😂

[@michaeljamrozy4299]

"Those are rookie numbers..."-Matthew McConaughey

[@aznmusicman4999]

Honestly might be taking mine to 500 for nationals tomorrow

[@HollowFaith666]

He is right it should be 500

[@alexanderjacksonbowling300]

I use 500 on my Incognito😂

[@Chadh-e6h]

I like your videos but why is your middle finger and your ring finger on your ball different angles

[@brunsnick]

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[@Craigchessplayer]

This ball migh5 be use for two finger

[@resbuzz]

Why didn't you buy a dull ball

[@arandomcommenter7051]

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[@13menrollingdown]

What I'm wondering is, what happened to the market for dull balls? I feel like every ball I see getting reviewed now is a pearl. Where did the interest go for just buying a strong, dull finish ball? Is EVERYONE a rev-dominant two-hander now?

[@resbuzz]

Why is your ring finger drilled shorter

[@brunsnick]

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[@dougmatteo7359]

Lot of folks use 180 & 360 😳

[@Norsebowling]

I keep my one remix at 1000 and throw it on everything

[@scottwilson6712]

Good video Nick however, typically you have about 10 minutes of practice for a tournament, doesn't seem like much time to get a read, make all these adjustments, and hope you get it right. I understand the need for surface and I use it, just seems like a lot in the short time you have in a tournament situation. You have a great channel.

[@brunsnick]

True, part of it is being prepared ahead of time going in with some knowledge of what you’re bowling on and how you plan to attack the lanes. Then, let your experience decide what you need to do in that short amount of time. If this, then that sort of scenario.

[@scottwilson6712]

@@brunsnick hey Nick, thanks for taking the time to reply. I appreciate it. Keep rollin