You're Telling Me This Is Natty? 6 Year Transformation || Alex Eubank

[@officialalexeubank]

Almost through the video and Greg brings up great points here. My defense for my first year not gaining as much as my second is as follows. I had no idea what I was doing in the gym the first year, I ate in a deficit, low carb, lots of cardio. Second year (late 16-late 17 years old) I went through a huge bulk eating probably around 3500-4500 calories a day and trained 2 hours a day every single day and made lifting the only priority in my life. From 18-19 years old I was never in a gaining phase if any of you have seen my life story video I literally had crippling anxiety and depression that made it hard for me to do literally anything I had to try and force feed without throwing up but God saved me from that.. later on had a short 6 month bulk before turning 20 from fall of 2019 to spring of 2020 then since then I’ve been relatively lean not going through a legit bulk. As of now I’m getting ready for this show naturally to see how I stand against NPC competitors and to see if I enjoy the process of competing. After this show I plan on going through a slow lean bulk for 6-8 months focusing on nutrition and training over social media for the first time. I plan on staying natural for now and depending on how I do this show I might look towards possibly hopping on which I would be 100% transparent about. And I think whenever I do hop on everyone will see how much I gain from being natural and then maybe people will believe me haha. Love you Greg keep up the good work. I know you think I took stuff before and if there’s a way to prove it I would love too. Maybe whenever we collaborate in Canada we can make some videos on that. Still waiting on that cookbook code Alex 🔥

[@officialalexeubank]

I’ll make a response video for Fridays KZbin video on my channel to address some of the points 🙏🏼

[@jasperzx2725]

Natty god

[@tyler64360]

Natty king

[@julianbecker160]

Props for having the balls to respond like this.

[@bersus3725]

Alex do you consider your genetics above average as a coach Greg said?

[@jackson12802]

You have to take into consideration growth spurt. Boys can have their last major growth between 16-18 and continue to “fill” out up to 21. Girls is more dependent on when they start their cycle. Their major skeletal growth spurt 14-16.

[@oscarsierra1234]

Girls growth spurt is around 12 years of age. After age 13 they'll be lucky to gain 5% or more in height. Men are still developing by age 25.

[@itsbeyxnd]

@@oscarsierra1234 this is true. My friend maya was 5’11 in 8th and taller then most of the guys. By senior year though she was still 5’11 and didn’t grow at all height wise. A 5’11 8th grade male is at least growing to 6’3 most likely by the times he 18

[@drshin9893]

Dude his bone structure didn’t change… therefore it wasn’t a “spurt” you can’t justify nearly 45 pounds of muscle in a year for anyone at anytime naturally

[@AkashTheChillGuy]

@@PapiAndrey can you write your height with agestamp between 17 18 19... They don't need to be accurate just roughly

[@I_am_Dad_Son]

16 as a Freshman? No wonder he's so strong.

[@shaunmaples6975]

i’m 16 as a freshman😅

[@Yoyoyoyo77johnny77]

@@shaunmaples6975I’m 14 as a freshman

[@austin4777]

The years of training is related but I think that applies more to mature adults. 14-16 you usually get taller and 17-19 you usually fill in with more muscle after getting taller.

[@hakanakbasoglu2390]

Exactly I was looking for a comment like this

[@xitaris5981]

FR. My height plateaued at 17 yo, but I always worked out pretty regularly until I was 25, but it was pretty hard to put on muscle I took a hiatus from the gym for ~5 years, but now I've been back in the gym for the last 4 months. Now my bench 1RM is 60lb heavier than it's ever been in my life, my squat and deadlift 1RMs are both 100lb heavier than they've ever been. I think I just bloomed late?

[@Channel-gd4jb]

yeah, I think people underestimate the effects puberty can have on your muscle growth

[@rockyevans1584]

​@xitaris5981 were you in a surplus during those years when it was hard to put on muscle?

[@King_Luke_999]

You can't escape Coach Greg, he knows the facts 🤣. Big ups 🙌

[@100kie]

You are stupid

[@lokey4213]

hearing coach Greg's words made me proud of the 50 pounds i gained through my first 2 years of training, thank you coach Greg

[@-Jozef]

I’m 16 and I’ve put on 30 pounds in 8 months. I used to weigh 125 and now I am 155 pounds. My goal is to get 180 pounds by next year hopefully. Wish me luck 👍🏻

[@calvincalvin3132]

Gl

[@icecoldbrd]

Good luck mate.

[@gregdoucette]

Take your time. Give it 2-3 yrs

[@suryareddy9870]

@@icecoldbrd Wish You a very Good Luck brother. But remember, clean bulking and putting on weight may not be same at all times. And our muscle always abide to law of diminishing return as mentioned in the video. Don't get tempted to using PEDs and anabolics. Stay natural and stay healthy.

[@icecoldbrd]

@@suryareddy9870 i am now trying to lose some weight to get to around 70kg. Currently at around 75kg. And later I will go on slow bulk untill I get back to 75kg. I calisthenics so it could take sometime to get there. I won't do any PED btw. And I am 15 yo.

[@Chocopanda203]

Greg I gotta say your attitude towards these kinds of situations is extremely mature and non-confrontational in a healthy way it’s inspiring. Love from Sri Lanka 🇱🇰❤️ Edit: Thank you so much for the likes guys🙏🏼

[@gregdoucette]

I just call it the way I see it. Just based on the facts presented. I could be wrong. Its my best guess

[@ulindu1234]

Sheesh more Lankans watching Greg

[@Priyanshu.Rajput]

How's everything going these days bro?

[@zenxdy.]

@@ulindu1234 i watch em too :0 im sri lankan btw surprised to see more of u guys here ;v

[@rakhilsuraweera595]

@@ulindu1234 yes

[@Hoezi02]

So let me get this straight: Year 1 of actual training, he gains ~10 lbs mostly muscle Year 2 he gains ~45 lbs, majority muscle Then barely makes gains the next 3 years. Inbetween he lost quite a lot because he developed a fear of eating and then he regained that back with a little bit extra. And also he actually has shitty test levels, which makes building muscle even harder? To be fair...that progression definitely seems kinda suspicious.

[@qauckerman7629]

Yea for sure

[@elka7823]

Not really seems normal

[@doranleung]

Not trying to defend if he's natty or not but it's difficult to compare each year as the same when someone is going through puberty. Body can undergo huge changes through puberty even without training.

[@timmythistle6615]

@@doranleung and sometimes our first year we train like crap because we don't know what we're doing. I made most of my results in my second and third year because I knew how to train and eat right. My first year I was mostly a curl monkey, skipped legs and ate crap food and drank too much alcohol.

[@fdsafsgrgsdg242]

Low test probably from comming off cycle

[@oskarbugaric7085]

Honestly in my own experience I'm currently in my year 2 of training and the gains are still the same if not better then year 1 , because in year 1 I didn't really know what I was doing, It was a lot of trial and error on my part but I have improved my knowledge overtime, but to get triple the amount of muscle in year 2 is simply ridiculous.

[@vik9481]

Totally agree with your point here ,but for his case he looked the best at 19 and after than he really didn't improve his physique and that was just 3 years of trianing if he was natural he would still see solid gains for like 6 to 7 years but nope he didn't change much ,He's Natty now but prolly took something in the process and now is regretting and going back to natural.

[@cgfitnessandarboriculture]

Natural potential is gonna vary for each individual. Just because something may seem “unrealistic” to the average lifter doesn’t necessarily mean impossible.

[@xerces4805]

@@vik9481 nah he stopped working out from depression over that time and then went back to working out :)

[@rychier6994]

Exactly right, it happened to me too....

[@teslaasmr9375]

We are talking about gaining 10lb of (mostly) muscles and then...45lb on the second year. 45, second year, 4.5 times more lol. You claim that you did gain as much or even a bit more muscles, which is totally different. Your gains weren't multiplied by 4.5...

[@Mel_x]

I love how neutral you are! You’re so nice, I can’t believe people say you’re mean or whatever just because you scream 😂❤️

[@NotDeepMotivation]

If someone comes to me "I gained 45lbs in a year bulking!" and I see his physique at 190 and he has like 17-20% body fat sure you bulked most of it is water and fat but that's how it goes. but when an influencer come "I gained 45lbs in a year bulking!" and he has like 12% body fat at 190 bulking a year straight that's where I say nah bruv :D

[@princeamg]

Lol I can just tell your small and weak. Greg doucettes idea of bulking is pretty bad. and he’s brain washed all of you. stop being a pussy and eat dude

[@User11495]

My friend got from 135-235 first year of training😂 around 17-20% bodyfat at 235 lbs

[@adriangrant6954]

It’s good to see you point out these guys that lie. The reason being it’s very misleading and the people that look at their profiles will have unrealistic expectations.

[@markymark1940]

Coach gregg, you are my go to guy now to learn how to grow muscle and train hard. Always a fair assessment in your videos with no nasty judgements. I wish some other people would take a leaf out of your book 👍

[@Baqdoe]

My top favorite NATURAL fitness athletes; Ronnie Coleman Jay Cutler Alex Eubank Greg Doucette IFBB PRO

[@AndrewKabala]

And Kali muscle

[@aliabdelaziz7585]

Mike O'Tren David laid Dylan mcknight Trystan Li Jeff seid List never fucking ends

[@williamprescott6432]

Having Matt Greggo IFBB as a coach and mentor is very telling. You tend to have the average hormones of the 5 closest people you roll with. He’s rolling with people on gear with great access to the stuff and that Is actually what makes it most likely that he is not natural.

[@officialalexeubank]

L comment, I think for myself, anyone can get access to gear lmao just because I’m natural doesn’t mean I’m not allowed to hangout and learn from the pros. If I’m trying to become a successful business owner I’ll hangouts with people who are successful business owners. Doesn’t mean I’m going to copy every single thing they do, just to learn from those who already have the experience before me and it’s my choice if I want to put that knowledge into action.

[@VanBui-vk5cy]

He looks natty or the gear he’s on is trash

[@thaveshpatil]

@@officialalexeubank just admit bro ,don't lie to people it's coach Greg he is been in this shit from when we are not even born

[@lucho1limte]

@@officialalexeubank trust me bro I hit my peak at 20 even whit depression anxiety and average genetics

[@mrloqqe1610]

​@@officialalexeubank bro stop, we're not idiots. it's pretty clear just from the rollercoaster of physique changes, while in your best years and in a short timespan. i don't see that happening for a natural at your age with your genetics, it's pretty unlikely. throughout your pictures you can identify two distinctive looks, on stuff (bigger, fuller, 3D) and off stuff (smaller, less full, 2D), which you like to call "on/off bulk" instead, i guess. sure, not all are that clear and distinct, sometimes the 2 looks melt together somewhat, but it's still there. i don't believe these kind of changes, pretty much transformations, are explained by being on and off bulking, that's just bs. and that's just one sus aspect of your story btw.

[@CoachSamGlenn]

Greg nailed it 😂 totally right about everything

[@thomasmarsh1916]

he oversimplified the shit out of this and was way off. So many reasons why someone can gain more in their second year training. For someone who is knowledgeable this was shite

[@valerioscharer4676]

@@thomasmarsh1916 more yes but not that much more

[@thomasmarsh1916]

@Valerio Schärer watch the guys videos, he's not even that big, he's natty as fuck. Just good lighting, a pump and being lean. Greg has since changed his opinion too.

[@nateroska8509]

You know What Greg, I will in fact buy your cook book

[@fdsafsgrgsdg242]

Just buy a regular cook book and add whey to every recipe. There you go, just saved you a bunch of money.

[@Tennisencyclopia900]

I gain almost no muscle in my first year or training. But when I started eating good and training better with progressive weight increase I gained an amazing amount of muscle and strength very fast.

[@mosesggs579]

The fact I have coach Greg's videos notifications as my wake up alarm! lml. thanks coach for giving me a little boost to start the morning with ur videos🙏

[@jamesr124]

How so?

[@obamama4632]

@@jamesr124 🤦‍♂️

[@jamesr124]

@@obamama4632 great answer

[@claimdud3104]

@@jamesr124 fucking true how are we supposed to understand something from a facepalm, like ffs dude if you know explain, don't be a pussy

[@obamama4632]

@@jamesr124 why thank you!

[@alecpedigree8134]

He definitely took something. I took something at that age and immediately looked suspiciously similar to how all these guys do in their “transformations.” The skinny, popping look of a lean physique after a first cycle taken too early is unmistakable.

[@shannonhargis3445]

Def took something I’m with you Greg

[@garrettyocom9475]

Coach really brings such a fresh air of thinking processes and mindset

[@dsandwich12]

Well I don't know how tall he was at 16 vs 19. I got 4 inches taller myself, 5'11'' to 6'3'' and I gained a lot of weight ONLY swimming.

[@jackson12802]

Exactly. Boys have their last major growth spurt around that age. I’ve always been tall. In school I was taller than most boys. Between 8 and 9th grade I was shocked at how many boys were as tall as me. By 10th grade most boys were a couple inches taller than me.

[@maalikserebryakov]

@@jackson12802meanwhile me who has not grown since age 13. Sigh

[@AC-mp7cx]

@@jackson12802 girls get taller first

[@qbird3713]

@@maalikserebryakov How old are you now?

[@fishfan2]

@@maalikserebryakov same

[@Chronicle_Blaze]

getting a "He is not a natural" from coach greg is a big compliment imo Edit:HOLY SHI youtube is weird man, I randomly get so many likes, THNX

[@pokil615]

nah if coach greg says he is not natty then he is not

[@calvincalvin3132]

pokil well it means he looks good

[@SG-lu4uj]

nah if he says he aint, he aint

[@obamama4632]

@@pokil615 if Alex isnt on roids it definitely is a complement

[@elias6113]

Not if its true

[@FlyinTonite]

If someone says "I'm natural," without really being prompted they enjoy cycling. Also sometimes riding bikes.

[@rabbin7898]

just love they these kids responds, they dont watch the whole video to understand but just that part where Greg said i dont believe he is natural and they be on their feelings. just wait you will see the respond

[@EduardoPresswell]

Finally the video we all wanted

[@peteclarke]

I have stayed natural my whole life and at 45 am in the best shape of my life. Thank you for all your inspiration brother. Even though I could never get above 195lbs on stage, I enjoy just living in this body and being proud of who I am.

[@silverwerewolf975]

Mmmm those traps

[@peteclarke]

@@silverwerewolf975 i'll take that as a compliment haha! I can flare my traps in the most muscular pose but if you look at my videos, traps are one of my weak parts

[@aidanlong8869]

I don't think it's that unreasonable to get more gains in your second year. For me personally I was "working out" my first year but by my second year I took it way more seriously, supplementing, nutrition, focusing on form etc... and I think I noticed more growth in the second year

[@vivelafrance8400]

Greg is full of shit anyway. Not saying the kid in the video is natty though.

[@DaneManGames]

@Richard Davila 45lbs of lean muscle though in one year? 10lbs, maybe 15 lean, with "dirty Bulk" as he did...45 lbs hell no.... but his legs lead me to believe his genetics aren't that great to do this naturally.

[@dillonmackay683]

@Richard Davila I mean yea that’s what happened to me, went from like a 65 lb max at 150lbs to 165 bench in a year at 16, 135 squat to 255 squat and 225 for 3 on DL to 335 deadlift

[@dillonmackay683]

@Richard Davila I mean I was about 125 when I benched 65 only used machines and such, no free weights

[@dillonmackay683]

@Richard Davila bout 40 lbs, and grew like 4 inches in height

[@Miketoomanyhobbies]

You are so right getting bigger and more lean is basically impossible when natural.

[@NPFfumbi]

Lots of “natty” influencers are jacked and shredded

[@Miketoomanyhobbies]

@@NPFfumbi yes they bulk and then lean. But they don’t get more lean and add more at the same time.

[@NPFfumbi]

@@Miketoomanyhobbies notice I said “natty” in quotations. Lots of them are full of shit

[@No-qe6qi]

Not true. You can do a body recomp, but I don’t think you’d get this kind of growth naturally even by doing that

[@RednaxelaExE]

You can add muscle while lean with good genetics, some people are wired to be lean. Its not impossible, most people just don't know how to properly stay lean while gaining muscle and are too focused on bulking/cutting so they don't know you can eat 50-100 calories under maintenance and build while staying lean. People want progress, so everyone thinks "oh, I must eat 500 calories under or over maintenance, because it's the fastest" while you don't need to shed muscle or gain fat to loose fat or gain muscle

[@louthawriter]

I fell out laughing when Greg gave that look and chuckeld lol he was like "natty? yea right kid"

[@Guus115]

Hairline looking solid coach

[@TeamYouphoric]

1:39 That's not a great warmup. Not very specific to weight training.

[@masonbrubaker1952]

Loved this video, and your point about gaining weight from 17 to 18 as opposed to 16-17 is definitely true to a point. I'm 20 now but the most weight gain I had was from 17-18. I think that the male body really starts to mature once you start nearing that 18 mark. At least mine did. As a freshman (15) I weighed like 125, then put on 5 pounds as a sophomore (16), then 5 more as a junior, and then 10 as a senior. I'm just now starting to work out regularly, keeping a good schedule and eating well has gained me 7 pounds since like December. So I see your point for sure but I think if you go through a bulk, which I never did, I think it probably isn't uncommon to put on that much weight if you have the genetics for it.

[@Burnt-Brownies]

You said it the best way possible Greg. I have the same opinion as yours.

[@jonnyjo]

In coach Greg I trust.

[@adam_bbing]

doesnt look like 45 lbs of muscle in that 2nd picture from 17-18, looks like maybe 25 lbs and probably finished puberty. You also don't whether or not he was training properly the 1st year from 16-17.

[@mrmeep5308]

21 years old now, have been training at the gym for 5 years and still below average after watching your last video on the bench, but i come from having been anorectic and what I wanna say is that you can definitely train for several several years and still be far from your genetic limit and thus, you can gain muscle for a significant amount of time without having to resort to peds

[@Noreceipts400]

Below average only compared to the average greg doucette subscriber. You're for sure above the real average when it comes to benching

[@fdsafsgrgsdg242]

@@Noreceipts400 doucette subscriber = real average. Its the same thing. Look at the amount of subs. Every random joe knows who greg is. Just like athleanx or whatever influencer is hot right now. He doesnt even talk about programming. (as far as I know, i dont follow most of his content so correct me if im wrong) 99% of gregs audience is still stuck in novice category, guaranteed.

[@cgfitnessandarboriculture]

Don’t get caught up in the whole natty or not nonsense. The reality is you don’t know what your full natural potential is. It could vary for everyone. Focus on putting in the work and being consistent. Nowadays many people seem to set the bar real low for what they think is attainable naturally.

[@gregoriomiller8241]

Wait what was Greg doucette average bench?

[@ethangaliano760]

that’s your fault. if your below average after working out for 5 years. your not working hard enough or your not eating right. no excuse

[@ersingencer80]

greg you made great points but in first year no one knows what they're doing. I was so clueless how to build muscle. I didnt know training principles, exercise techniques, nutrition. yeah i did gain muscle but i didnt gain anywhere close to my potential. %99 of people who started liftin have been through what i've been. and the other thing he couldn't gain muscle sometimes is that if you dont eat enough how hard you train your body doesnt change your strenght stays the same. I know it because last year i injured my shoulder and i stopped training shoulders and chest. i was bulking when this injury occured and i decided to stop bulking and do maintenance phase until my injury heals. i was doing only back,legs,arms. In that maintenance phase i didnt even gain a gram of muscle my strength was the same i was looking the same. And now i'm in a great state mentally and physically i feel like i know all the things i need to build muscle. i'm doing a proper lean bulk and im gaining so much muscle. I'm not saying he is natural maybe he is maybe not.

[@glennmccoy1746]

100% agree with Greg

[@glennmccoy1746]

Another "bulk", love it

[@sundancemorrow978]

Coach Greg, you have the best laugh and smile 😊

[@oddfuture42O]

Im almost 6ft maybe an inch under and at my lowest i got to 115lbs and decided to finally workout. My whole life i had done every sport there is for many years but never actually worked out or lifted weights. Being under fed and extremely skinny my first year of working out and taking all the supplements and meal replacements i went from 115-150 in a year, i find it really hard he gained more and wasnt as under fed or skinny as i was when started. When i started i did everything right, ive never done cardio either...

[@GijsInc]

You should do cardio for your health and for better endurance in the gym

[@oddfuture42O]

@@GijsInc ya i just grew to hate cardio as i use to run all the time growing up and was even one of the fastest running backs in my league

[@dimitriosfilippis2655]

I did a bulk too, and did everything right. I only gained like 8lbs in muscle.

[@nooblifter390]

Man....Do you even know How much 8 lb of Muscle is?.....You did excellent.... Probably Couldn't be done better.

[@everyonelovesnoah]

@@nooblifter390 you can always be bigger look better

[@nooblifter390]

@@everyonelovesnoah I don't know your situation....But probably you should look at the point where you just started and Compare yourself and Really feel for a moment how far did you came?

[@TheGreatHeisenberg]

@@everyonelovesnoah Pat Bateman, is that you?

[@dimitriosfilippis2655]

@@nooblifter390 you are right. I think I overestimated the amount of muscle gained during bulk phases are. I can see now it’s going to take a few years of periodic bulk phases before I get to where o want to be, unfortunately. Realistically bulk isn’t like turning into the hulk after 3 months like I initially thought.

[@rs2.7.0]

It makes hella sense what you’re saying Greg! I can learn so much from watching you’re videos bro thanks a lot🦾

[@saintlifter8931]

Hey coach ! I just wanted to say that your videos helped me a lot putting some weight off and while gaining muscles love your pedagogy !

[@unclecarney1526]

Your spot on Greg…

[@kenshi9713]

Love your content Greg I love how honest you are about bodybuilding

[@scyven1]

I’m gonna give the kid the benefit of the doubt on this when I was 16 I was 165 pounds after a hard wrestling season I did nine months between seasons I went from 165 to 195 and was probably leaner around 11 to 12% and I got accused of Roids all the time the only thing I took was creatine for maybe a couple months… I started lifting when I was 13 past the newbie gains But during that nine months I hit the gym hard and I was really dedicated with my eating and I was doing cardio so I could’ve feasibly be put on more… I think what you might be missing is that first year or so his gym routines may not have been nearly as intense or dialed in

[@Xeterian1]

I started my journey at 201. Lost about 30lbs. I said, another 10 and ill be lean. Got down to 158. Still no abs, and enough body fat to still not really see clear definition on other body parts. At 6ft tall, i felt small af, thinking i have to lose another 10 maybe 15lbs to be "lean". The struggle is real.

[@cosmo-selfimprovement225]

Don’t get down to 150. Lean bulk for a couple of years and you’ll be like 160-170 with abs.

[@codenamebogdan8050]

Build more muscle

[@Garage.Philosophy]

You obviously have no muscle , at 6”2 210 pounds can still see my abs

[@theunicornbay4286]

A year and a half in, I lost no weight and went from skinny fat no abs to visible abs

[@mackenroll6914]

My cousin met him at a party before he was famous. He was pretty scrawny then. I always had a feeling he wasn't natty

[@afiqazha2486]

I love coach greg rn. He is less squealing lesser then the last time.LTLT

[@finchplays3725]

Coach Greg has a big point

[@Scotto6977]

I had great genetics too after I did 2 cycles of cyp and deca….gaining 45lbs

[@aliabdelaziz7585]

Holy fuck lmao. What age, How long, dose, gains kept? Thx

[@Scotto6977]

@@aliabdelaziz7585 I was 21 and was working out pretty hard for over a year before I started my cycle. So it was over a 2 summer stretch. First week I did .5cc of both deca and cyp,second week 1cc,third week 1.5cc,fourth and fifth week 2cc,sixth week 1.5cc,seventh week 1cc and eighth week .5cc. Out of the 45lbs I gained,I kept 30lbs. Where you really notice is your strength lose. At my peak,I was throwing up 90lb dumbbells on flat bench,when I was off I was finishing with 70lb dumbbells. That part messes with your head a lot too.

[@theunderscore001]

man i love how honest Greg is, doesn't beat around the bush at all and only talks facts

[@SpaceBoyDanny]

I think Greg makes some good points and it’s definitely possible Alex isn’t natty. One point that may justify the +45 lbs in the second year was a growth spurt because it looks like he got taller. As for getting leaner on a bulk when he was 19 that seems unlikely to have been natural.

[@MindBodyWhole]

Hairline and hair looking strong today Greg

[@Ronaldo.LM10]

Coach Greg fav KZbinr 🤝

[@matthewbrand6580]

I tend to disagree with you Greg on the year 1 theory. I agree that newbie gains are very real and you are going to put on a lot of muscle that first year but I think it is very possible and more likely to gain more quality tissue in the next two years. Most lifters in their first year don’t even know how to train or eat properly. This usually isn’t realized until the second year at the earliest and that’s when I think quality tissue gains begin. And then you can factor in age. A kid who starts lifting at 15 is probably going to see a lot more progress at 17-18 when testosterone is peaking and they are in later stages of puberty. I personally found this was the case for myself. Once I learned how to train properly and dialed in nutrition better, I made significantly more progress. Consistency was a huge factor as well.

[@Captain_Kid]

After watching that progress I agree with Greg. There’s no way he’s been natural his whole life.

[@joshee6385]

I started training at 17 and gained more at 19 and 20 than 17 and 18. Progress isn't always linear there's a lot of variables.

[@gaalwin3774]

especially when you’re young you get that adult bonus plus you exponentially take it more serious

[@joshee6385]

@@gaalwin3774 yeah

[@bednar23]

That was weird! For the first time ever, an ad for your cookbook appeared and it wasn't part of the video 😂😂

[@keithwilson3914]

The way Greg squints at the camera and his voice is hilarious 😂 you gotta love this guy

[@ziedbrahmi4812]

I gained more muscle in my second year than my first year, because I was doing things "wrong" , it's not that weird :)

[@jackrays899]

Also gotta remember he was still going through puberty at 16-18. testosterone in males usually peaks at 18 which would make it easier for him to gain more muscle especially if he is bulking

[@driedpancake]

🤣

[@callam4336]

That is irrelevant when you actually look at his FFMI...

[@j.vulcano3005]

Coach Greg forgets he was like 17 and still growing in general. He like forgot puberty was a thing.

[@thepulp80s]

I definitely don’t think he’s a natty. I think you’re spot on here, Greg.

[@superwardenguy]

Coach Greg, please do Tyler Gram Natty or not. I would love your take. Ps I got the cook book 😳

[@MorningPeacock97]

I played football with a lot of genetically gifted guys like Alex in Jr high, some kids just have gifts

[@dragorn3212]

Ton's of athletes by high school are on PED's, they're not as genetically gifted as their egos want you to believe

[@THEmadmikeismad]

My progression was pretty similar. at 6'2, I was 160ish and sickly lean at 17, starting lifting at 18 and hit 175 by 19, was 220 by 21 but not quite as lean as alex. I feel like i was still in that puberty era testosterone frenzy until I was 21. After that the gains fell significantly even on deployments with nothing to do but eat and work out in off time.

[@VitoScaletta1951]

I’m currently 6’2 as well. About 4 weeks ago I was 162.3 lbs and I always felt like this was super underweight for my height and size because I am skinny. I used to be 185 before I moved and stopped going to the gym for about 2 months. Anyways this month I started “bulking” but not really I just started eating more and now I’m currently 175 lbs. I still think I’m super skinny for my size. I feel like I’m making no progress either. Do you have any advice or anything?

[@EA-ps4wc]

Similar. Was 6'1, 160 lbs at 17. Was 175 at 18 purely from puberty gains. Started lifting at 19 and was 200 lbs by 20.

[@yegor576]

Show us uself guys

[@foxy916]

how's 160 pounds sickly lean?

[@THEmadmikeismad]

@@foxy916 My body fat was incredibly low.

[@blake8731]

i bulked from 170lbs to 210lbs when I was 14 years old I gained large amounts of muscle but to say the least I also got very chubby, so I believe weight gain is plausible but I agree its hard to stay lean in a bulk like that being natural

[@finchplays3725]

Coach Greg ❤️

[@oneolmanbodybuilt5906]

22 his muscles are so still growing. He is not grown,he is growing!!🤪💪

[@kylehackett162]

Keep in mind that his weight gain could be attributed to puberty as well as just growing in general. From 17 to 18 men are still growing, so he could have added body size in height and bone structure.

[@eezzee5152]

The age between 16 and 18 your body is growing like crazy so a lot of skinny guys thats start eating properly and happend to have good muscle building genetics will usually EXPLODE with muscle mass and mass in general, and that could be mistaken for steroids buy inexperienced people.

[@makie3320]

@@eezzee5152 I completely agree. Not to mention when he's bulking I can see a lot of fat. It's all lighting and the camera angle but he got a lot of fat at that point

[@thecatswillplay86]

100%. If he were at a different age/stage in life I'd say he used PEDs for sure but based on his age range I don't think his gains are highly unusual.

[@walker7155]

Bro the fact that Gregg goes "most people gain for 10 plus years." And he goes on to talk about how he grew from age 10 to age 20 should tell you something. No crap he grew from age 10 to 20 because he was a LITERAL CHILD! Some of these anecdotes he takes are just ridiculous, he determines these people are not natural using anecdotes that are easily debunked.

[@fl676]

Yea but the sus part it was mostly muscle and not fat Usually when naturals bulk hard it’s mostly fat and then they cut hard and lose the fat and muscle . Like greg says naturals when they cut usually look small end up 145lbs 160lb especially if u under 6ft. Alex went on a cut and got that 3d look and held on to muscle land at 175lbs. My opinion he took sarms and is natural now and will take stuff soon and will open about but I don’t think he was a life time natty

[@yourstruly2337]

Gained 45 lbs in one year, all natural, of course, while staying completely lean and shredded. If you still believe this shit, i have Turk to sell you.

[@BruceLeroyUK]

🤣😁🤣😁

[@Pieter_Lion]

only, he wasnt lean and shredded after that 45 lbs weight gain....

[@woodenfishes]

Completely natty, only used turk ofcourse

[@yourstruly2337]

@@woodenfishes absolutely.

[@RicardoGonzalez-np6jx]

definitely got up to like 15-18% body fat during that bulk, was not lean at all

[@ronaldo2764]

Wow! Coach Greg ran a mile in 5 minutes!! @1:43 . 5 minute mile is a fast run. I was a middle distance runner in high dchool and college at 155 pounds and 6 ft tall . I ran 4minutes and 36 seconds as a 1500m specialist who ran 4:10 on 1500m.

[@wavegod5130]

Right. He's really moving jeezzz

[@grahamolson8204]

These gains and transformation is crazy

[@slavicobelrus2466]

Get him coach Greg let him have it!! love the vids keep them rolling please hahahaha

[@nostalgiaatitsfinest4108]

Thank you Coach Greg, I lost 5lb from watching this video.

[@vageeshkumar5070]

I've been watching his videos from last few years and now I'm at negative body fat percentage

[@currycel470]

@@vageeshkumar5070 ok Ronnie.

[@VWayyyyyyyy]

😂😂😂

[@KR-bg6zy]

I would like thank Alex for making Greg laugh like that. Lol

[@grtf47]

for me my first year of constant training was basically an experiment year where I basically did pullups/ dips and some leg work without progressive overload. I had no idea what that was and was not eating properly and maybe gained 10 lbs at most. From year one to two, I have gained 25 and onto 30lbs now just by applying progressive overload and eating properly. Thats just my journey and not an implication that Alex is natural.

[@CosmicawarenessCitizen]

Same here in highschool at the age of 14-17 I started working out on my highschool gym but didn't know what I was doing I was just doing exercices for my pectorals and arms and that is it but I lost all my muscle afterwards from 2018-2021 and then I started working out at home and now in 2023 I know what I'm doing I work with my recipe to gain muscle and I'm on a lean bulking I went this year since January from 64kg to 71kg right now but now I'm training all my body parts including neck ans glutes so yeah I can see a radical change in my body know even comparing to when I was training in highschool. Genetics play a hell of a big role in your muscles for sure.

[@grtf47]

@@CosmicawarenessCitizen Nice man. Yea speaking about genetics, it reminds me of Tom Platz saying he could squat like 5 plates at 12 years old. Fricking insane and he said he didnt have the genetics. He had all the genetics needed lol

[@iamgeminijoker]

bummer if he isnt the love for the creator aspect would bother me if dishonest. but ill give him the benefit. greg is A+

[@Doeyyy]

I’ve been waiting for this 🔥🔥🔥 haven’t watched yet but I know the answer

[@matthernandez9513]

Greg, I was 18, 5’3 116 pounds in March 2020. Since then I’ve been on a perma bulk. Doing weighted calisthenics and weight training and bw calisthenics as well as wrestling. Currently I’ve grown to 5’5 and 154 pounds. I’m turning 21 this month. I started weight training when I was 14. I just never took eating seriously enough until the start of quarantine. At 116 I was 5% body fat at the end of my senior season. I’m currently 11%. Also I’ve gone from 145-154 in the mornings in the last 4 months because I’ve been eating an absurd amount of food every day. My pops says this is a type of growth spurt from when you go from teenage boy to young man. My family is a bunch of late bloomers. I plan to continue bulking until I’m around 170 and cut down to about 9/10% bf around 155 or so. Do you think my transformation sounds natty or is it sus

[@byronaustin8179]

Natty but it’s really good progress for a natural, keep it up 🫡

[@GijsInc]

It's extremely unlikely that you had 5 percent bodyfat

[@h.d.5194]

​@@GijsIncexactly. 8% is LEAN. 5 % is literally skin and bone

[@GijsInc]

@@h.d.5194 Yeah I think you'd be almost dead at 5% lol

[@Dannybolio]

I don't think he went on anything to have that weight gain in year 2. His training and nutrition were probably suboptimal in year 1. The affects of puberty also could cause weight gain that wouldn't increase body fat. This could be things like height and bone density. With that said he did gain a decent amount of body fat and it is the heaviest he's ever been

[@Dannybolio]

@Liberty Prime Yes, it's a possible explanation for the later weight gain. Realistically, it is probably due to sub optimization of training and nutrition. However, it's all speculative so I wanted to give a few other reasons

[@arnoldang9508]

@@Dannybolio The kid has obviously been exposed in PEDs. He is an influencer, he is surrounded by people in PEDs, he has a body that looks like someone in PEDs, he has all the financial reasons to take PEDs and so on.

[@Dannybolio]

@@arnoldang9508 You are entitled to your own opinion. I understand your reasoning, however I don't think he looks like a PED user. His physique is naturally obtainable with great genetics, hardwork, and more importantly good lighting a pump and angles

[@mortenlarsen7220]

@@Dannybolio Mate even for someone as big as me my bones only weigh like 14 pounds, and im 6,2 254lbs so what the hell makes you think bone density means F all our bones really do not weigh much.

[@Dannybolio]

@@mortenlarsen7220 Please read my other comments. Thank you!

[@isaac_parker2831]

Greg is a smart guy I think he knows what he’s talking about in this video and gives the facts. Personally I am a fan of Alex and this video throws nothing off from being a fan it’s just the science behind body building and natty or not natural physics.

[@driedpancake]

He's not a smart guy. He's clearly a dumb guy and you thinking that makes you dumber.

[@valhalla3566]

That's the thing about trying to figure out if someone is natty or not; unless you know what to look for, you're not going to really know unless they tell you or you find some hard evidence. It also kinda sucks being suspected of being on PEDs because, as he brought up in the video, it CAN feel like your actual hard work is being discredited. I get asked all the time if I've cycled or if I'm on anything. And there have been SEVERAL times people have either called me a liar, or have actually gotten upset with me. So when I see a guy like Alex, I'm of two different mindsets: If he IS natural, I definitely feel for him being scrutinized by people who don't believe he is. Having your years of hard work and dedication being boiled down to something you're not doing and discredited is a frustrating feeling a lot of times. On the other hand, if he was lying, I'd be extremely pissed off because, in this day and age, people shouldn't really care as is. I've been lifting for twice as long as he has, and I'd KILL to have his physique and build. So if he got that naturally, I'd have nothing but respect for him. But, if he's lying about how he got there, then I'd just be disappointed and frustrated, not because he's on anything, but because he lied, and that lie has made me question and stress over what I'm probably doing wrong, myself.

[@lilpatrick5291]

The law of diminishing returns only applies with subjects who maintain the same exact consistency year round for both years

[@Edgycoo]

"I went on another bulk" and he comes out leaner than some of his other images and bigger lol. Not impossible to do but im looking at the body of work prior and ...........thats not possible, for him.

[@garyela]

Greg I love your videos! You keep me motivated to be healthy and be better than last time🙏🏻🌻

[@jonahjohnson7247]

Thanks for the videos Greg! I tore my AC joint a few months ago and am finally being able to start working out again. You really motivate me with your great and honest advice. Thank you!

[@brandoncline7727]

Thanks Coach G! This really made me feel better. I was honestly thinking the same as you. You and Derek help me get an idea of a healthy physique as a natural… and learning about gear in case I take a cycle one day

[@jiteshshankhpal3034]

Everyday i learn new things from gred sur

[@schofrenzy]

Well Greg I grew 3 inches after high school and it made me gain quite a bit of weight I left high school at 155-150 range then bulked to 170-185 while growing 3 inches at 20-22 then went to 190 then stopped bulking and lost 15 pounds so went to 175 shredded ! -185 kinda shredded my strength also went up and down so I do think it’s possible he’s not even as strong as me on bench

[@brianodonnell7076]

I was a HS basketball player, and I lifted weights religiously, and finished HS at 6'4" 190. I was thin but muscular. By the end of my freshman year of college, I was 230lbs. This was back in 1989-90. Never touched steroids, just creatine, so it can happen....I was very lean too.

[@RicardoGonzalez-np6jx]

this is me right now, he probably was on creatine as well and just carried on a bunch of water weight

[@maryalesh4887]

Just a thought…Wouldn’t his natural testosterone peak around the time he also made significant gains? Maybe that’s why he grew more after his first year of training?

[@BalkanManic]

Lol puberty is not equivalent to steroid cycle. If it was we would see many more 16 yr olds jacked

[@adelfhipster3936]

@@BalkanManic that's not valid. Do you really think 16 year olds take lifting, fitness, sleep and diet seriously. Only a very few people do this properly.

[@Italianstalionfitness23]

Greg I’m 19 I’ve been lifting for six years. I was a power lifter for 4 years and the 5th year I slacked on lifting and ate like sh*t got up to 360 pounds morbidly obese at this point. This past year i got an active job (literally running around a warehouse for 10hrs 4 days a week) and lost about 100lbs I became a truck tire tech. I then crash dieted, ran, and plyos every day and got down to 172lbs. I ate a lot more and gained about 30lbs that I believe was mainly muscle, and now I’m eating clean on a slight calorie deficit. I’ve been 186 consistently and have gotten way leaner.

[@clownworld360]

same here mad respect for you

[@RicoYT23]

When I see coach Greg say they have good genetics when they are like 16 and stuff I'm like 😭 cus I feel I had wasted potential, hopefully once I finish bulking and I cut I'll see some of the hard work has pay off I started out 130 as a freshman only doing calisthenics and basketball in highschool at 6'0 so very skinny currently at 21 I'm 6'3 and 210 bodyweight but I'm higher in body fat since I didn't train much and recently was finally able to go on a bulk and work out consistently. My goal is 215-220 body weight stay there for a while and once this summer comes cut down to 200 or even 190 just to see how much I have built this year that I've been lifting. If I had to guess imma currently like 20 - 25% body fat I'd like to get to 15ish in the summer to have a 6 pack when not flexing again. It's hard man sometimes you still feel small until you see how far you've come and then other times you wonder if you've gone too far and if you should just cut. Hopefully everything works out and best of luck in your fitness journey to anyone who reads this. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is being the best and healthiest version of ourselves we can be 💪🏽

[@cameroncandies7573]

How did Greg completely miss puberty? I personally believe he’s natural just hit a normal growth spurt.

[@lukebfilms4232]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kevinhedman2314]

I agree he for sure took something. Especially considering how he said how obsessed he was with the gym when he made huge gains. Easy to take something for a boost.