You're Watching The Fate Series Wrong

[@amongoose1087]

That's right, we're supposed to be reading Fate.

[@Saucenoat]

Reading fate stay night was the best decision of my life

[@Thehollowbankai858]

​@@Saucenoat you need time bro nobody is free

[@saxor96]

​@@Thehollowbankai858if you have time to watch anime, you have, at the least, 25 minutes of your day to play stay night. You don't need to do it in a single setting. Even if you take a few months, the game won't just fade away.

[@terryzhuang4299]

@@Thehollowbankai858But if you really do want to experience the series properly with how the characters were supposed to be represented, frankly starting with the VN is the best option lol. At least experience the first route which really isn’t all that long and decide from there if you want to continue or not.

[@Thehollowbankai858]

@@terryzhuang4299 man I had already watched 2 routes

[@Yusei5ds0707]

The damage Gigguk made to this franchise was imensurable.

[@2SSSR2]

People actually listened to his ironic videos?

[@whateverwhatever4476]

@@2SSSR2yes, do you see how many "don't think about" jokes there are

[@saberbestgirl20]

​​@@whateverwhatever4476 tbh he probably quoted nasu on that, nevertheless not defending him because i seen alot of people (and even me mysel in the past) was guilty for saying this quote unironically and while it may come off as a simple joke it has grown to become a buzzword people use to criticise/slander fate in simple terms

[@Dorrovian]

Gigguk didn't do any damage to the franchise, if anything he helped to increase awareness of it. The video is clearly humorous. He just made satire of how two different characters being called "Red Saber" and "Saber of Red" are confusing for newcomers (because they are) and fandom somehow took umbrage with it. And he is not responsible for people misunderstanding the joke and taking it seriously. If anything, the Fate biggest problem is that fandom itself is ready to kill other parts of fandom on "where" you should start Fate. No other fandom I have ever seen is so toxic and aggressive on that point, making it hard and unnecessarily complicated to even start and giving outsiders perspective of extremely convoluted franchise.

[@Dorrovian]

@@saberbestgirl20 It's not Gigguk fault, but toxic fandom problem. If anything he is far more helpful to fandom growth with his far reaching videos and constant Fate fanboying on podcasts/streams than people who seriously do what he has shown in 5 minute video. In my personal opinion, Fate biggest problem with western growth is that fandom itself is ready to kill other parts of fandom on "where" you should start Fate. No other fandom I have ever seen is so toxic and aggressive on that point, making it hard and unnecessarily complicated to even start and giving ousiders perspective of extremely convoluted franchise. In another words, people are angry at him for showing them how toxic and unhelpful they are in satirical way and instead of improving themselves decided to hate on him.

[@disneyfox5726]

After that I expect PP to explain briefly about the watch order of Monogatari 🙏🏻

[@ziro4073]

I would watch it in novel order

[@heisenberg3206]

since he revealed his face, he's being consistent now. wtf

[@Saucenoat]

Videos are easier to edit with facecam

[@rrbcraftergames3361]

Just as he promised

[@footlong7980]

Ah yes, yet another Fate watch order explained video✨ But this time it's actually just 10 minutes long and straight forward

[@hirensuva56]

Great, I was waiting for someone to make that video.

[@justinseiyanyx6092]

Visual novels are a beautiful medium. Art, writing, voice acting and music is top tier. I was blown away and it set a high standard in both visual novel and writing. Especially writing.

[@Not_DIO_1]

You watch Fate for the story I watch Fate because... We are not the same

[@Kartikey_aditya70613]

Waifus?

[@crytalclear]

​@@Kartikey_aditya70613segs

[@Hyper_101]

H scenes i got ya mate

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

@@Hyper_101 That's like 20 minutes. All combined.

[@GAarcher]

*Emiya Shirou, of course* **Shirou's back muscles's, the only thing that I was looking for in the entire Rin h scene*

[@Aka-Spade]

Started my dive with the Tsukihime remake (still need to finish it though) and now I'm reading Fate/Stay Night. This truly has been the year of visual novels for me.

[@agiaco000]

I agree with you, the vn should be the starting point and then you can watch/read every other media of this franchise

[@stevieveringus3857]

​@Angras_advocate18well I read all of them parallely

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Also another saber fan? Very based. Arcueid and Arturia are my two goats

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

The original Saberface and Saber. lol.

[@rrbcraftergames3361]

Goddamnit you’ve convinced me

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

Good. This side is definitely better.

[@CarryEmiya]

Finally someone who know what he is talking about, iam tired of people who say you should start with Zero

[@hehehe7182]

i started with Zero and somehow still have the enjoyment with Fate series

[@GAarcher]

*Start with the VN, if you have your house bombed or your food poisoned after not playing a 2004 eroge not available in west game...not my fault, happens*

[@CarryEmiya]

@@hehehe7182 i started with zero as well and enjoyed it but the point is that IT IS NOT the correct way to start the series, you should always start with FSN, no one is saying that Fate zero is bad, it is a good show but not a good starting point

[@literalgarbage8014]

@@CarryEmiya Elaborate on what makes it bad

[@CarryEmiya]

@@literalgarbage8014 dude did you even watch the video ?

[@thomasffrench3639]

If you don’t want to read the visual novel, there is other anime aside from Fate that you can watch. That’s what I’ve been doing, but now that the visual novel is official, I’m going to check it out. It’s been a while, but I finally have to ability to get into the series after years of waiting.

[@footlong7980]

I agree with the points about HF anime adaptation. I remember trying to watch it when it came out and finding that a lot of it felt incomplete, yet unnecessarily drawn out. At some point I thought that maybe I only felt this way about it because I had already watched a playthrough of the story on KZbin some years prior, and your point pretty much validates that to an extent.

[@henryogan2017]

Yeah. I haven't read the HF visual novel route yet, but even I could tell that the HF movies had done a lot of condensing and "abridging"

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

I'm not even watching it. I know they gonna butcher it. I know I'm gonna be so pissed because of it. Heaven's Feel is my favorite route. Feels like the adaptation will ruined my experience and memory that I had for that route.

[@rindou97]

I'd say HF movies do a fantastic job worsening every single of HF biggest writing issues, overly focusing on Sakura to the detriment of the rest of the characters. It's almost like the fanfic version of the director.

[@karakavalasajaswanth277]

Bro is just flexing that he watched fate series and understood it by making this video😅

[@GAarcher]

*I mean, he is not watching, and we need to be READING*

[@rindou97]

@@karakavalasajaswanth277 He ks advising people about *reading* it. Watching is a too flawed approach to even consider it.

[@hayond656]

"Fate/Stay Night, everything else" Yeah, I feel like people overblow this "complicated watch order" as if everything after Stay Night even had a "correct order" to begin with, they're just intimidating themselves with the imo non-existent problem of "messing up the order". The way I was introduced to Fate was from the Battle Cats collab. I consumed F/SN media then just went anywhere

[@justsomeannoyingredpanda]

I'm really liking the more varied content you're making. (Comment for the algorithm made, but I'm being truthful)

[@ryquazenamv]

The guy ignored the "ANIMATION" for the first time completely and just talked about reading. "Animation!" . I was mesmerised by the animation, also i broke, cant read

[@Miyabyi_Beyond]

For me the most matters is also Enjoyment and Storyline and I don't care if Animation is bad

[@DYC.Antinorm]

I love how you made this video as I'm in the middle of watching Zero right now. And I thought, since it takes place before Stay Night, and it's been a few years since I watched that one, I would re-watch Stay Night, then finally get to the Heaven's Feel movies. I think I'll still rewatch Stay Night though, it'll give me a good bout of nostalgia.

[@zedsan-g3l]

Solution: Stop watching Fate series and read it.

[@Yusei5ds0707]

I am deeply saddened that *Mahoyo* is getting an anime adaptation by ufotable because most people will no longer experience the visual novel blind, as it was intended. The Mahoyo visual novel is one of the most unique and valuable productions in the entire media. Its presentation is a masterpiece, and the scripting feels like 'magic.' Nasu mentioned in an interview that they aimed to push the medium to the next level with this work, and it was created with the intention of "standing on its own even without an anime adaptation." Adapting it into a single movie seems like a recipe for failure, as the pacing, atmosphere of the slice-of-life scenes, and dialogue are crucial to this work. Additionally, Nasu's narration elevates the rather straightforward story in a way that is difficult to capture in an anime format. People will probably see the pretty colors and battle scenes, and call it a day. Missing the deeper experience that the visual novel offers.

[@Sahil-to4wj]

Did I just see a 9 min ad?

[@ColemakesMADs]

You thought it was about anime but it was me an AD

[@MrInuhanyou123]

The only thing i would disagree is that there are two steps. Fate stay night and then fate hollow ataraxia 🎉

[@alexgarrett4673]

So hyped that they announced the remaster of Hollow Ataraxia is being worked on

[@Yusei5ds0707]

I mostly tried to read one day of the visual novel per day. And was pretty easy to get through.

[@Arsalan_82]

Ufotable wanted to remake the original anime as well but the production committee didn't allow them to do that. So they started with Fate/Zero and as someone who has played/read the VN I say that it is extremely obvious that they treated Fate/Zero-Fate/UBW-Fate/HF as a trilogy. They literally start UBW with the last scene of Zero and it's clear that they were planning to appeal to people who have not and will not watch the original anime. So while I do agree that playing the VN is obviously the best way to experience the story. I think if you want to start with the anime Ufotable made it in a way so that Fate/Zero is your starting point.

[@saxor96]

The huge problem with that is that Zero basically ruins heavens feel. Heavens Feel is made so they present questions to you that are slowly answered with small bits of reveals as you learn about them along with the main characters. But Zero spoils you about all of the important ones in the first and final episodes without the build up, they just drop them to your face as if you already knew about them. *And* makes heavens Feel appear as frustratingly shallow because they give big weight to "questions" the would be watcher already knows.

[@henryogan2017]

​@@saxor96 give me one example of a reveal in Heaven's Feel that was spoiled in fate zero... Because having watched both, I can't recall any. As for UBW, ufotable reworked the supposedly spoiled reveals to instead serve as expansions of the stuff we already learned from FZ. In fact, if you as an anime only watched UBW before Zero, those moments would end up confusing and lack a lot of context, since the anime assumed that you've already seen FZ. Honestly, the only anime that FZ really spoiled was the 2006 Fate anime, which is why it's best to start with that one before proceeding to Zero or any of the others, even if (big IF) it isn't that good of an adaptation

[@terryzhuang4299]

@@henryogan2017That is not the problem with zero though. You can not fully grasp the characters and plot of zero without experiencing stay night prior. Just one example, Kirei’s obsession with the grail after the fuyuki fire and the indications of angra mainyu, I am not very sure how you grasped that but I know many who had no clue what was going on, as angra mainyu was mentioned no more than twice or thrice throughout zero resulting in many confused in Kirei’s sudden interest into the grail and worse misinterpreting it. Zero is supposed to be a treat to those who had finished stay night, and just to defend my statement the author of zero himself Urobuchi had mentioned in an interview himself that zero should only be experienced after stay night.

[@terryzhuang4299]

⁠@@henryogan2017But i do have to say zero is probably the ‘best’ way to enter the fate universe anime wise, as it is no doubt the best adapted and present fate the best out of all the anime adaptations. I mean at this point I would just recommend fate zero -> ubw-> heaven’s feel -> fate zero -> anything else if you are an anime only to appreciate at least zero properly as unfortunately you won’t experience stay night to its full potential.

[@Forsen807]

Except fate/zero was written from the view that you have read the vn

[@majutsushisliceoflife]

Bravo! As someone who played the Visual Novel about 3 years after it came out, I could not agree more that it's better than all it's anime adaptations. I must admit that while Fate/Stay Night's 2006 adaptation was a bit of a mess, I liked it, and were it not for it, I would have never found out about the VN.

[@NamaeGuitar]

Okay, you convinced me, i really liked the animes, but yeah i think i want more and its seems the visual novels its what i need, so... time to spend some money xD thanks for the video, new sub ;)

[@DeadApostleNoel]

For multiple reasons, the Heaven's Feel movie adaptations were meant almost exclusively for people who read the Visual Novel version of the route. In particular, the ending scene of the third movie makes absolutely no sense to anyone who is either an anime-only Fate fan, or is unfamiliar with either Kara no Kyoukai and/or Mahou Tsukai No Yoru (aka, they don't know who Touko Aozaki is based on her appearance alone).

[@chompy_oa4840]

I waited so long to read the visual novel after only watching the anime, and I had originally really enjoyed the anime. I was expecting good things from the VN, and let me just say it didnt just meet expectation it surpassed them, just after reading the first route the ending was absolutely phenomenal and left me aching to read more!

[@thomasffrench3639]

Thank you for calling out Fate/Zero fanboys. They are almost as annoying as MHA fans, but anime fans give it a pass just because they don’t want to read a VN. Calling it inessential is so satisfying to hear. I have seen toxic Fate/Zero fans read the visual novel just to prove Fat/Stay Night fans that Fate/Zero is better than Fate/Stay Night just to justify being anime elitists.

[@KOFNY]

I’ve never heard of that lol but I don’t doubt it. Elitists are born from any good content and there’s always a group that goes too far and become annoying over it. I’ve only seen the anime versions of everything and not read the visual novel. Zero is def my favourite of them all because the story, characters, and writing really blew me away and every single character felt like they could be the MC. I’ll check out the visual novel when it comes out eventually

[@thomasffrench3639]

@@KOFNY It's coming out tomorrow if you aren't patient, but there's nothing wrong with enjoying Fate/Zero the most. The main issue is certain fans who don't want to read visual novels so are determined to dislike it. As long as you give it an honest shot, I'm fine with it.

[@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem]

​@@KOFNYhonestly theres elitist on both sides but its genuinely more annoying when ppl "read" the visual novel and still come out misintepreting things just to prove a point

[@thomasffrench3639]

@@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem Totally agree. There's a lot of people calling each other "fake fans" for not reading the visual novel, but it seemed to have started as telling people to read the VN, then Zero fans didn't want to read, and it led to a lot of resentment.

[@ketanvirbhadre1634]

Zero isn't even a vn it's a ln. Og FSN is a vn on the other hand

[@Fluskar]

Bro i just binged the 3 routes for the anime like in the past 2 days before I saw the vid 🗿

[@shamanthbondade5183]

If it weren't for the h scenes eroge i probably wouldn't have picked up fate visual novel(gooner for life) So glad i did freaking worth it going blind into it it did something to the bone of my sword

[@hylianfelldragon1308]

I think the main reason why most people went for watching the anime adaptations first was because for the longest time, you had to go through the metric tons of hoops to even get started with the visual novel let alone read it. (Especially if you're in English speaking regions) But now we DO have an official English version of the VN on Steam and Switch so unless you don't have one of those platforms or you're down bad to where you want the h scenes, there's not much of an excuse.

[@SuperRunebell]

Oooo, I actually just started Unlimited Bladeworks. I’m part way through, so I think I’ll finish it out, but I’ll definitely play the VN next. I was looking for watch orders before I started, but mainly found really complicated lists so this is helpful!

[@rindou97]

I'd say that: 1. Fate series as a franchise is 90% reading. If one isn't up to getting into mangas, novels and visual novels then this franchise isn't for you. Animes are mostly complement (also bad complements) and just like three are original productions. Also it doesn't help that fate animes gotten very anti-animeonly. 2. Fate/stay night doesn't work as anime. As a VN many minor issues are solved thanks to bad ends adding dread and extra info. Plus, the first person narration is that way for a reason. Also the VN has a very clear structure where one route gets better after getting over with the rest, letting the reader decide which path they agree the most while also being able to accept the other two. That said: F/SN is a single work, not three works. You can't rate UBW or HF alone without considering the whole package. Granted, people almost never get the novel true message (that any path one may choose as long as fair and makes happy is a legitimate path in life) since they're obsessed with their fav route. PD: sorry, I didn't like Artoria, but that's just me. Her ending is good, tho, but I disliked the romance in her route. I preffer their relationship in any other route. I really like F/SN, almost a 9/10, but due the kinda mixed Fate route and the HORRIBLE HF true ending I give it an almost 9. A 8,8/10.

[@black1blade74]

HF should have cut all the action scenes run time by half

[@wardstudio9474]

I started with zero, I loved zero but I won’t tell people to start with it as we of course have the novel now so I will tell people start with that and then go where you want

[@ziro4073]

Yeah I get it now. I read Witch on the Holy Night earlier this year and it was so fricking good. With the adaptation being multiple movies tho it will probably leave out a lot of slice of life stuff from the VN. I've started reading the fate/stay night remaster also and the tone is very different from the anime.

[@zgoldenpen1078]

Okay, I am convinced.

[@Comicboy6758]

I mean if you're WATCHING fate instead of reading it that's like the main mistake

[@antont4974]

Fate is a very hard thing for me to get into, but I am almost convinced to give it a try

[@GBlockbreaker]

give it a shot, it's worth it, if you're unsure about spending money on the vn you could watch a playthrough for the Fate route on youtube until you're convinced or follow the old ways and pirate the fan translation (which is more accurate than the official localization anyways)

[@JustOct69]

46 seconds in and bros already cooking

[@aniphoenix9474]

Absolutely based.

[@chinanddip1847]

the timing is crazy cus i started watching the fate series literally a week ago 🤣

[@ketanvirbhadre1634]

I was happy when i saw that its finally getting english translation, but it might be something 2000 rs or 4000 rs so i have to save a lot of money for it.

[@skylarduckky3389]

i watched the entire fate series in choronological order because it presents what fate fans had to go through😂😂😂

[@catlike9444]

Let's hope ufotable next upcoming trilogy won't have as much cut out then heaven's feel, which to be fair won't be as hard since it's a manga adaptation instead of a visual novel.

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

You know what's funny about the differences between anime-only-fans and the VN fans? Anime-only-fans were shitting their pants, freaks out when they saw Oath Under Snow and said it's the best Shirou ever. But for the VN fans, OUS Shirou, is just low-budget version of Heaven's Feel Shirou. See how big that gap is? That's what you been missing from the visual novel.

[@alexgarrett4673]

Interesting perspective, and I definitely get where you're coming from. Personally as a VN fan, I feel like having read the whole of Heaven's Feel actually makes me appreciate OUS Shirou even more, because I can appreciate the contrast between him and HF Shirou more. They're both Shirous who rejected Kiritsugu's ideals and chose to save someone that they love over the greater good, but the differences in how they get to that answer and their circumstances still make me like OUS Shirou more, even though HF Shirou objectively has more character depth.

[@terryzhuang4299]

In conclusion: If you want to properly experience fate stay night: >Read the visual novel (There are no commentary uncensored full walkthrough of the original visual novel on KZbin) If you want to properly experience fate ZERO if you are an anime only (not fate stay night) >start with fate zero -> ubw -> heaven’s feel trilogy -> rewatch fate zero, as fate zero has so many plot points where it was not explained throughout the show until the very end, almost ‘plot holes’ if you didn’t read the vn prior to zero, supported by an interview by the author Urobuchi himself that zero should be a treat to those having read the visual novel. You can still enjoy some of best of the fate verse as an anime only, as to what the universe can offer, but sadly you will be missing out on the best part of fate, being stay night and the actually developed protagonist.

[@GBlockbreaker]

nope, if you want to properly experience Zero you play the Stay Night vn, then the Hollow Ataraxia vn and then watch Fate/Zero

[@terryzhuang4299]

@@GBlockbreaker I forgot to add, anime only for fate zero. If you are willing to read the visual novel, hell yeah vn -> ha -> zero

[@baziworld]

Take my word as just advice, First: Read Fate Stay Night VN, IF You can not really, Then Read Fate route of VN , Then watch UBW and HF Anime(then maybe you want to recheck the VN) Second: after finishing with FSN, you can check Fate Zero, Fate Hollow for a kinda more complete experience (FZ is alternative universe although) Third: After that, don't start fate spin offs , like kalied ,extra, grand order , ... instead finish other Type moon's Main works including: Tsukihime , Mahoyo , Kara no kyoukai Fourth: if you are done that, you can check whatever remained within fate or type moon series , and put your expectation between Low-High , because their qualities can change from good to bad

[@josecuestas7246]

I hope that Ufotable consider eventually makes a Remake from the Fate route, to see more about Saber x Shirou ❤

[@meikisaragi1445]

CJ: Here we go again.

[@karlhungus1431]

I knew the answer before watching this video why? because I play/read the VN way before the anime franchise was made

[@vladimircaelum7465]

The real reason why you would want to start with the visual novel and not Fate/Zero is because the latter shamelessly spoils the former. It was clearly made with the fans of the visual novel in mind since it was the first proper anime adaptation of Fate, but that means it expects you to know the story of Fate/Stay Night already. Starting with Fate/Zero kinda ruins the mystery. I remember back in the day seeing Saber on many PC wallpapers and wondering who that girl was and then played the vn to find out. She was my favourite female character ever since. Shirou became my favourite male character too, though it was probably also because of his voice actor who voices a certain ninja.

[@mintraniz6694]

Mmmmmmmyeeeeees!

[@ThatBrickNoob]

Biggest mistake was me watching Fate/zero first (The shocking moments in FSN did not shock me as much cuz I was spoiled 😭)

[@ThEMAgIKaLBEaN]

I started with Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Bladeworks.

[@ExpertContrarian]

1:22 Nope. Goodbye

[@luizkotlewski3749]

Just watch everything and then piece everything together in your mind later. It's just like writting a chapter. Write down the whole shit and then edit everything later, making all the changes. Otherwise you will be stuck at the beginning. It's a good advice that other writers gave me but I still don't use it because my dumbass can't accept my own failures and keep trying to get an impossible perfect start.

[@markandrew287]

With the whole chapter thing how am I even supposed to start if I haven't even figured out the details of what the general story is going to be aside from very basic cliff notes?

[@2SSSR2]

I disagree that 2006 anime is bad, or that Fate route was not adapted. If that was the case Ufotable would have done Fate route remake back in 2014, instead they decided that it is fine after Nasu also agreed that. So please, everyone, give 2006 version a go. It still covers 95% of Fate route as it is in the novel and like author of the video said it is developing Shirou in different light, Saber as a character and their relationship. It also nailed the feeling of a Visual Novel much better than Ufotable anime did and it's OST is one of the best in all of Fate. Speaking as a franchise veteran - if you are not into VN or reading long books then 2006 anime is the best starting point as it only goes better from there.

[@nightlydata2181]

As a VN reader who even did Ataraxia I do agree the best experience is wit the VN but I don't think the Heavens Feel movies R a poor adaptation of that route. I do have a couple large misgivings like not properly givin enough Illya & my fav shirou line in that route at the end(u know the one) but aside from those 2 admittedly large missteps I think they handled the task really well & gave a lot to add to the experience the VN didn't/couldn't. THEY NEED TO ADAPT THAT FATE ROUTE THO LIKE C'MON MAN. (it's my fav route😞)

[@Comicbroe405]

Lol glad you put the hear me out part. Also you should do one for Monogatari, that anime's watch order looks even worse.

[@vriendloos3242]

that one is pretty simple tho, there is a definite watch order, you just need to find the image

[@Comicbroe405]

​​​@@vriendloos3242 Really? I'll look into it EDIT: Found it & thanks.

[@OK-69420]

Bake, Kizu, Nise then the rest

[@Fuckthegovernmenttttt]

Pedogatari

[@vriendloos3242]

@@Comicbroe405 perfect, enjoy!!

[@Rabidconscience]

OG visual novel is of course the best place to start. But I’ll never understand the argument of “don’t watch Zero first, it spoils UBW” as if UBW doesn’t spoil far more of Zero than vice versa. Also, for people who watch UBW first, so much of what happens is an asspull without context given either in the novel or zero.

[@rednaxela5960]

Zero is intended to be seen after viewing ubw. It doesnt matter that ubw "spoils" zero because youre supossed to know that information. But you should just read the vn before either anyway, then you only watch the anime for the fights as theyre still up to par woth the top tiers of todays animation and honestly may be timeless.

[@Rabidconscience]

@@rednaxela5960 You are categorically wrong on your claim of intent. UBW was produced after zero. (2014 vs 2011) And so they could make decisions to not explain or hint at things because they know people already saw zero. “It doesn’t matter that UBW “spoils” zero.” Then why does everyone claim zero spoils UBW as an argument for watching UBW first? make an argument for zero after UBW then. Because zero is a better introduction to the setting and concept. It doesn’t have Gil come out of nowhere with no hint that him existing should be possible, nor is it explained after the fact that he was incarnated. It’s just “yeah there’s two archers for some reason.” Shirou having Avalon is an asspull in UBW if you haven’t seen zero. And how much of

[@MokoES]

@@Rabidconscience the difference here is that the very creator of Zero, Gen urobuchi has said in interviews he wrote the story of Zero with the expectations of people coming to it AFTER finishing Fate stay night. In the first place Zero didnt even exist when Fate stay night first released in 2004 it was always standalone where as zero from its very inception was an extension to fate stay night

[@Rabidconscience]

@@MokoES oh my god you aren’t even listening. We aren’t talking about the visual novel Vs. zero. We are talking about Zero vs. the UBW anime. The writers of the UBW anime wrote it with the understanding people saw the Zero anime. And it shows in the writing. Try, I am begging you, try to actually address my points. Try to THINK.

[@nelisezpasce]

@@Rabidconscience You already said yourself reading the VN is the simplest choice. Do not ever claim you will "never understand" something, bro. At some point you may understand, yet still disagree, that is fine. F/Z is good, but not even in the top 10 Type-Moon entries. Intention means little when the UBW anime is not "peak fiction". To quote Reggie Fils-Aime: "If it's not peak, why bother?" Diehard fans will guarantee quality on the games and novels. Oh, you just want to watch anime? Then you're on your own.

[@Vivek-wy2ji]

Bodied me who started with fate/zero

[@tongansquillium1263]

You're watching the fate series, wrong*

[@SandeepKumar-es2gj]

Bro, where could i get that shady google drive link?

[@sarmad1153]

Have you watched the glassworker anime movie ,I would recommend give it a try

[@doce3609]

I will watch the animes at some point. But not even you can convince me of playing a visual novel.

[@alexgarrett4673]

Facts.

[@Dorrovian]

Reading VN is best option, but there is no right or wrong way to start Fate. You should just go with one that interests you. Telling people to start ONLY with one specific thing is best way for them to lose interest at all.

[@MadelineMysterious]

watch how you want. there's no right away. I did it in a crazy order then rewatched it all in order. It works out fine. These people over think it like the creator of this video. Saber is great, Jeanne is the best!

[@reguluscorneas7296]

I need the VN remaster to come to PS5 as soon as possible

[@O-san4]

This is also wrong, you actually start with the jentai doujins

[@loiscampos4553]

The most important thing, is this version the non R18(Realta Nua -Not porn-) version? if it is , them forget it, i want my weirdly written ecchi scenarios by Kinoko Nasu...

[@Thehollowbankai858]

Bro I learn aloy from your channel

[@TsubasaAnimations]

I watched in the order they were released. At least for the mainline series. Reddit guides on this are always so heated lmao

[@domagojbelic5772]

You are watching The Fate series wrong... Yeah you should obviously start with The Garden of Sinners.

[@user-mf8oy4xd8i]

Wrong, Witch on the Holy Night comes before

[@kojoappiah7088]

Nah start with carnival phantasm

[@eze1196]

Team saber on top 🗿

[@stevieveringus3857]

If you are a seasoned anime watcher who has the experience of well connected lore, character (in)consistency and some authorship knowledge, starting with Fate/Zero won't be a problem. Almost. It's just that it's putting the cart before the horse. The Fate route being ruined by DEEN made Ufotable construct this type of peculiar plan. The Zero LNs actually feel very close to respecting the themes of Fate, while the anime, although being good by itself, is often misleading and indulgent in the oddest of things. UBW anime is a fine job, but it fails during exposition and many delicate moments. All could have been solved with a great adaptation of HF. And, oh dear. The movies are just... pieces of spectacle and epicness. It's so condensed that you are not even given the time to FEEL the little things they are showing. I feel envious for the guys who played the routes and then watched HF as they released in theatres. Looks like the only way for optimal entertainment. Between these confusing state of adaptations which don't carry the charm from the source (which ain't flawless btw), gatekeeping VN readers, toxic F/Z pretentious elitists and Kaleid trolls, the community hates itself the most.

[@milkshrekpasta]

Based video

[@fedewyt]

so when does fate/zero fit in? before or after the visual novel?

[@ProbablyPretentious]

Visual novel first, literally anything else afterwards in any order.

[@henryogan2017]

After visual novel, but after the 2006 anime and before the UBW and HF adaptations.

[@paponvichchattrapronvichia4126]

Ufotable need to make fate route. So we can watch fate sn properly

[@BERFXD-dz2fj]

Now make one about monogatari!!!

[@danishhalder4895]

Hey probably pretentious you said in one your videos that you have read almost every title by TypeMoon, can you please rank them Which one is the best and which one is the worst according to you (And sorry for bad english)

[@GBlockbreaker]

if someone does plan on playing the steam version i would almost recommend waiting for a fan patch that fixes the mediocre localization and replaces it with the fan translation we all know and love also Fate and UBW i would also recommend guides but honestly, HF is so much better without one, by that point you should be familiar enough with Shirou's character to be able to make choices yourself, also why wouldn't you try to get to every bad end anyways? the Taiga Dojos are awesome

[@ColemakesMADs]

The manga is better ahh video. But on a serious note , this is just a recommendation but would you consider doing a video talking about storyboards.

[@arkimpossible]

what about the other "fates"

[@saxor96]

Some "Fates" require you a self contained order, but most of the time is just "if you know everything about stay night, you're good". Grand Order requires mostly every other Fate, then you go: First Order > Camelot 1 and 2 > Babylonia > Temple of Time. But it skips a lot so manga is recommend if you don't want to touch the game.

[@terryzhuang4299]

Yea I agree with what the person above me said. However if you really want to experience the actual good part of grand order while not wanting to touch the game, there are no commentary and no game play versions of grand order. For that, I would say read: Lostbelt prologue -> Lostbelt 1 -> 2-> 3-> 4-> 5.1-> 5.2-> heian (5.5)->Avalon le fae(6) with Avalon le fae being the best of grand order and arguably where you can choose to stop if you are not too keen on waiting for another 4 months before the finale drops.

[@xoradivided7950]

el melloi happens after zero. prisma illya has its own watch order

[@BeaNoodl3]

You're supposed to read it and not start with Zero

[@rrbcraftergames3361]

I’m still confused where I can read it though, I’ve never read a light novel before 😭

[@kodakazu8]

It just released officially on steam and switch.

[@gruglas]

"watch order" telling people to read a visual novel. lol

[@SlumpySauceGod3051]

While on the topic of watching something wrong ( i know this might not be related to the video). I recently started watched Monogatari series. I started with Bakemonogatari. I wanted to ask, is there a specific order to watch it in or do I just watch it in the order of release?

[@thezerothandtheinfinite]

You need to read up on Immanuel Kant first

[@SlumpySauceGod3051]

@@thezerothandtheinfinite you mean his theory that we should act rationally?

[@asmodeusguys4472]

Yeah, u start with that. Or be a heathen like me and watch the kizumonogatari movies first 😂😂

[@SlumpySauceGod3051]

@@asmodeusguys4472 so it is in order of release?

[@heartunderbruh7735]

​@@asmodeusguys4472this works just the same. But in chrono order.

[@adammasterx5854]

WTF MAN!?!? I just finished watching the third heaven's feel movie 5 minutes ago and now i see a video by you saying that im watching it all wrong... also btw i watched it in this order: Fate/Stay Night(2006 anime) ----> Fate Zero ----> Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works ----> Fate/Stay Night: Heaven's Feel And then I'll be watching the Fate Apocrypha

[@hashimalz]

You watched it in mambo jambo way

[@adammasterx5854]

@@hashimalz nah thats the order google told me to watch it in

[@Saucenoat]

​@@adammasterx5854Not everything in google is 100 percent right

[@saxor96]

​@@adammasterx5854Google is garbage nowadays.

[@henryogan2017]

Hold up now... If you're an anime only, then that is actually the BEST order you could watch it in!

[@OdaNobunaga15]

I stared with Grand Order and then I watched/read/played everything else after that (GO is still my favorite Fate story, specifically Lostbelt)

[@fluffyisyermom7631]

trollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[@ankitgaur3496]

Plz read Reverend Insanity once.

[@WarpSonic]

Would read but too horni

[@strahinja9803]

I cant visual novel

[@User_95168]

u can

[@AnimeLover-xf2ld]

​@@User_95168 Can visual novel be read on mobile?

[@OK-69420]

@@AnimeLover-xf2ldYes but not Fate

[@thomasffrench3639]

That’s fine. I would recommend G Gundam or Kamen Rider Ryuki.

[@SamGarcia]

This aged poorly with the release debacle

[@vaidikchauhan4382]

Honestly fate anime never made me much interested for me to keep it watching. When I first watched fate stay night shirou felt to me like a copy paste of ichigo. However the novels of fate might have much and much more to it.

[@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem]

Shirou and ichigo are literally nothing alike wtf😂

[@TohnoShiki17]

Comparing Shirou to Ichigo is wild

[@thomasffrench3639]

@@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem honestly they are both characters with a lot of survivors guilt and too self sacrificing

[@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem]

@@thomasffrench3639 yeah but shirou is far more insane mentally than ichigo is. Thats like the only thing they have in common and its a common trait among protagonist

[@thomasffrench3639]

@@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem I’m not saying they are the same character, but they do have similarities