You Think It's Just Canon That Hates 3rd Party Lenses?

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[@hotfootrabbit]

Say whatever about other systems but Tamron and Sigma lenses are life savers for me on Sony e-mount.

[@hostmeto]

The Best Intro on KZbin period! 😂

[@gfxmaniac]

Sigma 56mm 1.4. All I need.

[@MikeC2K10]

Imagine if a karaoke company bought Canon and renamed the brand EF System.

[@LTPottenger]

Let's hope Mitsubishi allows it lol

[@njbmods]

FF sigma lenses are coming for RF system, got some insider knowledge. Its just going to take a bit longer..

[@Panotaker]

You got just as much Toneh in your videos, as the guy you made fun of when you came up with the Toneh term!

[@PneumaticTube]

I love the 24mm 13x wildlife zoom 😂

[@OneOldManRiding]

To be fair, the RF APSC cameras really need Sigmas help! - Frank

[@kanyorb45]

What camera are you using in this video? osmo pocket 3?

[@jakubwasowicz1533]

Off topic … Do you think that using Pro Mist filters makes sense or is it better to "soften" the image with software?

[@pedrova8058]

just buy a vintage prime, from 60, 70s

[@tornike550]

You never miss a beat on skits. Keep them coming ❤

[@znhatgan8782]

Nikon Komodo will soon release some native glasses that looks like repainted Tamron and Sigma

[@DestinationFawked]

As an EOS M user I appreciate was sigma did even though the lenses sometimes were not all that great

[@BeeShutter]

Man the skits are 🔥🔥🔥

[@JohnDrummondPhoto]

I look at it this way. Canon launched at least 4 APS-C bodies over the last couple of years, without lenses to support them. So at least that's addressed for now. How many Sigma lenses with AF do they make for Nikon Z? None. Tamron? 3. Sigma make a bunch of crop lenses for Nikon, though. So it's the same deal. I predict Canon will team with Tamron and Sigma for a few FF lenses down the road. Maybe a year.

[@chrisbrown8748]

Hello Kasey, I’m a citizen of a nearby country by the name of the United States of America and I’ll be coming to Toronto for a one day little weekend getaway and I was curious if Toronto was anything like Hollywood where you can take a tour where they take you past the homes of various celebrities and if so is your apartment on that tour?

[@sh8736]

The Tamron lenses for Sony are fine for me. Don’t need 20fps on a 20mm lens for landscape, and if doing wildlife where high frame rate can be helpful the A7R5 body doesn’t shoot at 20fps so it matters not if the speed is constrained. Don’t shoot video except by mistake hitting the record button so breathing is not a concern, and Sony don’t make a 35-150 which is perfect when you can’t switch between 24-70 and 70-200 even with 2 bodies gives extra choice

[@Greggie_D]

R7 owner. Feels like Christmas morning for me and nobody else got any toys except me. Suckers! Finally a win.

[@willcarter7079]

Let's be honest there's a lot of third party camera lens companies that make me drool over the first party lenses. Obviously Sigma is knocking it out of the park. But there's quite a few other companies that make lenses that look like poop

[@TheArneSaknussemm]

Hey...a FF lens works on APSC right? So if you sell lenses with a FF circle...nawmsayin Sigma

[@henrysteadman963]

Hey Mister K'... an initial restriction to aps-c seems like a reasonable approach, in a business sense anyway. Canon are just looking to protect their own interests and still want a bit more time to flesh out their own line of RF lenses (which is already pretty decent) ahead of opening the door fully to 3rd party manufacturers so this is a good toe-in-the-water step. I was a big fan of Sigma Art lenses back when I used the EF system, and I'd like to see some of their 'classics' adapted to RF full-frame too now that I've swapped to that platform. But even when they do there'll likely be some crippling as there was with EF mount ones... not big sacrifices but not absolutely perfect to balance the cost savings. Anyway, a sign of things to come I'd hope and imagine :) ------------ By the way, don't forget there's a bunch of older Canon and 3rd party EF mount glass, often faster than the equivalent RF lenses, but that we just need the adpapter for... simples!!

[@hbp_]

They are only allowing this because consumers were pissed off and the sales took an unexpected hit for too long.

[@PJ-om2wq]

I can't even use Nikon lenses on Nikon. 😢 I have lots of AF-D lenses.

[@pedrova8058]

There was a time when industries agreed on universal protocols; you could go to the most isolated store in the highlands of Bolivia and buy a fuc#&ing cable that used to communicate 5 devices of different brands, and you could even tie the boots to your backpack with it

[@zswansonu]

Thanks for making me getting a reality check and that Nikon isn't Korean; and getting my life in check. Go 🇨🇦 guy

[@AI3Dorinte]

I seriously dislike the image quality ( think it's the lens) or the stabe. Just do the pocket 3 thingie or the Sony ( the colors suck though). But you are right Canon are assholes, I went with S5II instead of the R8 for making interviews and some fun. PS: the autofocus WAY better for interviews after the update ( the free update that actually did shit we wanted... except for the uncropped 60fps... )

[@SMGJohn]

The sensor in the S5M2 is too slow for 4k60 full frame. Its the same sensor in the Sony A7M3, Nikon Z6 and Z6II

[@AI3Dorinte]

@@SMGJohn I can live with that, the bang for buck is amazing and I alteady have the 24mm f1.8. If anything I would really appreciate them improving the focus peaking, though I doubt we will see another software upgrade on this model.

[@IndyVisuals]

I still believe they will announce Full frame lens later this year or early next year.

[@mikk1332]

Bust out that Pocket 3, more stable than this roller coaster of a ride. Thanks for saving me the ticket price though.

[@charliejg]

Happy Wednesday! We had a huge thunderstorm last night with hail in eastern Pennsylvania. Fun stuff in spring! LOL! Too bad for that Sigma exec. His fault obviously. The lens market is really tough. There are so many choices, but prices are really high. I would love to get the XF50-140 for sports, but just can't justify that price as an amateur. I'm considering renting it in June for the race at Watkins Glen just to see if I actually like it. Your sharing world sounds nice on paper, but don't hold your breath. Don't see it on the horizon any time soon. :-)

[@radiozelaza]

ok, a lifestory. I am an APS-C shooter, with my M50 and a Tamron 18-400 adapted with EF-M adapter. I specifically required that lens because carrying anything above my mirrorless with ONE lens (+a small 1" compact cam) is a hell I don't want to get through ever on any trip I go. I don't care about "pro" image quality or microcontrast voodoo. In fact, using Topaz's Sharpen AI or Lightroom AI Denoise gimmicks, most of this lens's shortcomings are mitigated. The only thing which sucks big time with that M50 camera is its video capabilities. I just can't accept that soft line-skipped nightmare they call video (especially with EIS on). But are there actually any cameras capable of good quality 1080p? I guess it was always a trade-off one way or another. Maybe switching to an R7 and shooting in 4K would mitigate the soft video issue once and for all. But try running Topaz Video AI on a 4K material... sometimes one would like to get rid of noise but it takes ages to process 8mpix video with AI.

[@thebentzenable]

I'm gonna see today's episode twice❤️🤣

[@WilliamTaylor-h4r]

I got the two phone lenses off Fitness Outdoor Travel Store to try on my s24 ultra now I got clean hdmi out; 80X100HD & 10 - 300x Zoom HD. The problem was apexxel had this one 6x, 8cm to infinity, but the admired figure showed it has a port ring, like why man? Expensive lens has the port ring, so I just got both, maybe not 5m focal length. The lowest I saw was 1.2m. What's point of spending money if your PetaPixel?

[@superseries7007]

1:51... 😂😂🤣

[@nicedward7544]

Sony isn't really that crippled with 3rd party unless you are using the a1 or a9s and people using those for sports and bif don't care about third party savings. My Canon 200 from 1989 is fast as shit on Sony third Gen while retaining eye AF. I'm not really sure where actual e mount third party are crippled besides being limited to 15fps and breathing comp oh no lol. Anyone saying that AF sucks with 3rd party that isn't shooting fast subjects professionally is a noob. Most people saying this have been shooting for 10 years or less I'm guessing and have never had to use their camera properly

[@cameraconspiracies]

It's mostly the stabilization, IBIS and Active stabe just don't work the same on 3rd party glass. Even Zeiss.

[@jessejayphotography]

The Zeiss partnership was mostly a branding thing with a few exceptions. Sony’s branding around G-master lenses has grown considerably along with their ability to design lenses. So it’s no wonder they are forging ahead.

[@nicedward7544]

@@cameraconspiracies I gotcha. Content is king though. You could vlog with a 5dii in 1080 24 and I'd still watch. Super seizure mode engaged.

[@hbp_]

​@@jessejayphotographythe sad thing is that they are still all made of toy plastic.

[@rus.t]

The shutter sounds 😂😂

[@jimbruton9482]

Well done! This is the best commentary on the subject of 3rd party lenses and Canon and reality. When will someone (or some troll) demand 3rd party Canon/Nikon/Sony bodies to fit their 3rd party lenses? This is how ridiculous this subject has gotten.

[@PostAtariGeneration]

something tells me you will be the first one putting those sigma aps-c lenses on your ff canon sayiong if you zoom you can't see vinegeting :D

[@eduarddelamettrie7785]

😉Since everything is owned by Mitsu maybe we should only buy used cameras and lenses until Mitsu behaves better?😉 Can you tell us how well the Sony IBIS works with the 7 Artisans EF SE Adapter? (Sorry in case you already have.)

[@subject8123]

I’m debating sooooo hard about jumping ship. Bought an eos r w/ 24-105L at launch. Love that lens, but I’m tired of adapting my crappy old 70-300 usm. All the new canon rf telephotos are so dim… I can’t imagine paying $2700 for a 7.1, 100-400 f5.6-8! gave me issues trying to focus in dim(not dark) light

[@michaelblumfield3933]

The 100-500 is very well reviewed, and you're not going to find a super telephoto zoom with significantly wider apertures. You would need to jump to a very expensive, very heavy prime telephoto to handle low light shooting at distance. Consider upgrading the R body or use good NR software to reduce noise.

[@subject8123]

@@michaelblumfield3933 I bet it is, but it’s still f/7.1 for $2700. Other lenses in its class with 500mm of zooming are 6.3. The old 100-400 L was 5.6. Just seems like they’re intentionally gimping the lenses while their system is closed.

[@robertfontaine3650]

The cinema is happening in this video.

[@Bill-NM]

L-mount alliance. S5ii. Done.

[@Democratiser]

Kasey, re the Sigma / Canon meeting, have you ever done any acting training? This is your best performance yet and objectively an outstanding skit. Well done!

[@SMGJohn]

Did you ask ChatGPT to write that?

[@Democratiser]

@@SMGJohn no but that is a good thought.

[@robertfontaine3650]

the old sigma trio doesn't suck for aps-c sony. don't know if their autofocus actually works on the other guys bodies.

[@chickenpasta7359]

Doesn't suck is an understatement. Sigma are the only ones who seems to care about APS-C outside of Fuji

[@adamadamis]

​@chickenpasta7359 SONY has quite a few fantastic APS-C lenses; 11mm F/1.8, 15mm F/1.4, 70-350mm etc.

[@lepyti]

Tamron 17-70mm f/2.8 is also an amazing aps-c lens. And Viltrox makes great aps-c lenses too.

[@JoeSzilagy]

Great funny bit at the beginning! Hope you always include humour in your videos! Miss the 'angry dad' walk though!

[@3439jc]

Well if Canon isn't gonna open up their Full Frame access then they should at least stop making darker and darker lenses. If a company is gonna restrict their product to 3rd parties then they better be producing better product or the consumer will still move to their competitor.

[@Fessoid]

F-stop is not the same as T-stop. F4 on some lens could be as bright as F2.8 on other or even brighter

[@mattcero1]

DUDE! How about Fuji lenses on other cameras? Anyone doing it?

[@mattcero1]

@@silbay what do you mean?

[@bololollek9245]

I am stupid. I just want a camera with 4k60, suitable for travel not more than 3000€, fine low light, EVF, fair IBIS, long focal length superzoom. No manual input beyond "I want lowest f value + lowest ISO" and adjust shutter myself or even full auto. A6700/A7cii size or Fuji xs20 size. This is the "all I want is the pertfect camera for me. Help.

[@dangerrayy]

I see judge judy and i click

[@jhnfrrguto]

Canon makes an EF to RF lens adaptor.

[@StevenWalker-y8v]

And the only reason why you thought you had to have full frame was because Canon told you so.

[@glennn.3464]

Mmm…let me see now. I’m pretty sure Nikon has let several third parties make lenses for their mount. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Viltrox, Tamron, TTartisan, Meike, Voigtlander, Yongnuo, Sirui, Venus Optics, AstrHori and 7Artisans lenses for Nikon Z, including AF lenses for full frame and crop sensor. I may have even left a few out. There’s even one from Tamron that is the newer version of the 28-75mm T/2.8 that Nikon sells.based on the older G1 version. How did they let that happen?

[@cameraconspiracies]

Almost none of those are AF lenses, which is what we're talking about. Yes, they allowed Tamron's OLDER lens design, not the new one.

[@TheDeltaMoo]

​@@cameraconspiracies Tamron has announced and/or released their 35-150 f2-2.8, 70-300 f4.5-6.3, 150-500 f5-6.7 and 28-75 f2.8 G2 on Z mount. Sigma has released some APS-C lenses and were hinting FF glass a while back. Viltrox has a bunch of great autofocus lenses for Z and that new 10mm from Laowa has AF on Nikon. Then there's some smaller brands that I don't care to look up for this. But the lenses have been coming at a good pace and Nikon doesn't even cripple their cameras when using 3rd party lenses like Sony does. Plus there's an adapter to use any lens from the Sony system.

[@AllThingsFilm1]

Canonigma. Exactly. 🤣🤣😆

[@Beach_vibes_gr]

[@-grey]

Maybe a controversial opinion but, aps-c should be where they focus video and casual compact travel, snap, and doc photography. Neither of those require high mega pixels or high grade lenses. They barely require an EVF. Just a nice wide zoom, one standard 16-80 f4 internal zoom for gimbal people, and a handful of small f2 primes and 2.8 pancakes from 12mm to 90mm. Leave the bokeh and megapixels to full frame, focus on low light performance. Make the options compact like the M6II, M200, or R50. Make ONE mega sized sports and wildlife aps-c a decade and support it with firmware, then let those nerds use full frame tele lenses, since they always want bigger kit. 🌈 Clear Segmentation ✨

[@Bcutter]

using aps-c is like driving a Prius. it will take you from point a to point b but you’re a loser

[@-grey]

@@Bcutter 🤡

[@-grey]

@@Bcutter I can smell the youtube photo influencer kool-aid on your breath as you type this. Peter Mckinnon isn't coming, you can pull your pants up.

[@AprilClayton]

Did you use a sepia picture profile? It looked great.

[@garlic_roast]

Un-fricken-ridiculous

[@thissidetowardscreen4553]

I like all cameras, as for Canon, though, due to it's dominance in the photo market, I have managed not to buy one, old digicams yes, but nothing new! Thanks for re-enforcing my disdain. Words of wisdom of all camera companies limit 3rd party more than we like. The more choice the better! Thanks for sharing!

[@KPAki1Ler]

There's like 5 Tamron branded lenses for Nikon Z. Nikon rebranded a few, not all. Surprised you don't know?

[@cameraconspiracies]

I said that Nikon only allows certain lenses to be made... Tamron isn't allowed to make all their lenses for Z mount, only the ones Nikon approves.

[@KPAki1Ler]

@@cameraconspiracies better than canons approach so far though 👍

[@TheDeltaMoo]

​@@cameraconspiraciesThat's only speculation by people who thought the first lens Tamron announced was odd though

[@cameraconspiracies]

@@TheDeltaMoo Nikon said themselves in a DP Review interview that they will only approve certain focal lengths and designs which compliment their systems.

[@alloaphotographers6513]

These are so funny 😁

[@CO8848_2]

I guess tech is not your thing. They didn't cripple it

[@BryceShamwow]

I guess intelligence isn't your thing. He explained how they did.

[@CO8848_2]

@@BryceShamwow LOL, dumbass, he didn't understand shit. Moron. I make these things.

[@Hodenkat]

When I had a Nikon body with F-mount all I owned were Sigma lenses. The OS/Stab was very good for a DSLR. Canon didn't seem to mind when Sigma made EF mount lenses for their EF cameras. A few years ago they started using the RF mount and all of a sudden they want to protect their lens market share? What's the point? Afraid of competition? Trying to knock a few competitive bucks off their camera bodies to get people into their system is fine, but Canon soaks the heck out of it's customers when it comes to lenses. I have no doubt many enthusiasts have gone over to Sony in the past few years after Canon gave them garbage, or gold. Those are your choices when it comes to Canon lenses. Garbage, or gold.

[@bitspacemusic]

Canon FD lenses are great on my Sony for video.

[@LTPottenger]

That must mean they are coming out with yet another new lens mount lol

[@chickenpasta7359]

This is the same vibe as giving your dog your unwanted leftovers. Who's out here seriously investing in APS-C RF cameras?

[@chickenpasta7359]

Outside of the Canon C70 I guess

[@j.m.w.5064]

I'm seriously recommending and selling the R7... (with caveats) There are people for whom it's just right.

[@sarbelv1lo]

I do and will do.. I have r8 and r7 and still perfer to use the r7 for almost everything. Still adapting my ef and works pretty well so far, 50 1.4, 70-200 f2.8 , 24 2.8, and 18-35 1.8.

[@sophustranquillitastv4468]

But why this used to not be this significant problem for any camera company before back in film or DSLR era? Third party lenses used to act the same as first party lenses albeit they have somewhat worse image quality due to cheaper cost which allow them to sell cheaper than the same type of lenses from first parties, and some have worse build quality as well.

[@Qohen]

canon got inspired to employ slaves... good job sigma!

[@pesax1]

Your DOF is encroaching on Toneh territory! Your past criticisms of 'not seeing the lake' now seems like jealousy!!!!!!!!

[@AnthonyGugliotta]

Imagine changing systems because of the third party lenses... oof 😄😄

[@Ichijoe2112]

If Canon, Fuji, Leica, Nikon, Pentax, and S0NY are the First Party, and Sigma, and Tamron are the Third Party.... Who's the Second Party? Parties like Samyang, Walimex, and Yongnuo feel (to me), more like the Third/Fourth Party upstarts. (Again to me.).

[@mikeshuey]

Seriously. Don't walk around in a major US city with that Sony and big-a$$ lens.

[@bubbajones5905]

Canon and Nikon banning third parting lenses has been a huge selling point for Sony.

[@vladibarraza]

You're missing the point and making a straw man argument. Nobody is saying that third-party lenses are equivalent to the brand ones. There are trade-offs that come with lesser pieces, but the point is that the consumer can choose to accept those flaws if he wants to pay less.

[@anteck7goat]

It’s that many of those restrictions are imposed artificially

[@vladibarraza]

@@anteck7goat That may be true, but it is not the point. What Camera Conspiracies does in this video is a false equivalency. Sony and Canon may both dislike third-party lenses, but that does not make them equivalent. In the Sony system, we can enjoy cheaper third-party lenses, albeit of lesser quality. While we can choose that trade-off, Canon users cannot. Nevertheless, I'm very happy with my $120 20mm f/2.8 Viltrox lens. No regrets and nothing like what this video portrays.

[@richardcates8605]

Canon cripple hammer

[@BracaPhoto]

Makes sense - cropped is for poor people 😂😂❤❤

[@dunnymonster]

When Tamron release their own camera system built around their " T " mount, Canon and Nikon will be sorry ..mark my words, you heard it here first 😋😃

[@radiozelaza]

it's the EOS M story all over again lol. Canon is just too busy building medical imaging equipment to focus its R&D and manufacturing divisions on dev and making APS-C lenses for RF-S. Simple as that. That's why they mercifully allowed Sigma to supply us hobos with these inferior level lenses, because Canon is too proud to bother developing any more of those.

[@mattcero1]

Canon may be holding Sigma and the others to performance expectations and letting them "audition" on their APS-C stage before the full frame stage. What say you?

[@Bill-NM]

Sigma is proven to make great lenses. No need for them to audition.

[@Bill-NM]

​@@silbayOf course you are right - so of course avoid those lenses.

[@michaeljkeeney]

Canon = Apple tomato red-face

[@redrocklead]

Cannon lost so many customers by excluding 3rd party lens makers. I love all the options for Fuji. Go back to your mirrors and giant heavy glass.

[@arielshpitzer]

Apperantly using the C70 makes You a "Hobo KZbinr"... that's the most "real" camera Canon produces.

[@liamburke1436]

How is this not anticompetitive?

[@JaredDoyle76]

The joke is on Canon. They are losing customers over this.

[@noneofthatmate]

Canon suck. If they have the best cameras and lenses people will buy them. Restricting competition just proves they don’t

[@AL3XFPV]

boycott Canon!

[@lewcehjitl3282]

Nikon is a sinking boat bad reputation destroyed a perfectly great American company.

[@fares_of_arabia]

They are all conniving, well said .....