You've NEVER seen an ITX Case like this - ROG Z11 Review

[@7DegreesOfFreedom]

“Mini-ITX” Bigger than a lot of ATX cases

[@azeriusfrost]

Well i mean rog usually makes stuff alot thiccer but Y e s

[@bradyharr3483]

Dawid! Love the videos man!

[@Stetrain]

I think that's fine. I want ITX because it's all I need. One m.2 drive, one GPU, no other PCI slots. A roomy case with good airflow that's easy to build in is still useful, it's why I got an NZXT H200.

[@7DegreesOfFreedom]

@@Stetrain A lot of Micro-ATX motherboards are actually cheaper than Mini-ITX, and you can get smaller and cheaper cases than this. So, if you aren’t prepared to pay $150+ dollars on a case, I would recommend Micro-ATX because extra slots don’t hurt.

[@cagencagen473]

@@Stetrain that is such an awfully designed case.

[@chrisgraham6031]

That top fan arrangement enclosing the motherboard I/O is insane. This case looks like the summation of every compromise an ITX case can have, without any of the advantages

[@Lazirus951]

The case costs $279, is huge, but can't fit many high end GPUs. Asus why?

[@sqlevolicious]

The most premium case there is, the lian li 011 dynamic, is only $130, lmao. Asus is gone full-retard.

[@TTks124]

@@sqlevolicious Asus it's almost always gone full retard. It's nothing new.

[@Matpermad]

@@sqlevolicious actionly is the Formd t1. 200 dollars. Full cnc. 9.8 liters

[@toxicturkeyy]

@@sqlevolicious the o11d looks so much better too 🤣🤣

[@Unhonoured-Samurai]

its 100 dollars in egpyt idk why

[@mrrgb4954]

Me: where does the air come from Asus: idk

[@e2rqey]

Air comes from the Republic of Gamers 🤣

[@7DegreesOfFreedom]

@@e2rqey What?

[@xygnal]

GN Steve: The fourth dimension.

[@mylordass8120]

@@e2rqey Yeah, Gamers Nexus said that too, directly to ASUS ROG department when it was on show at computex lol basically calling them idiots and that they need to change the design.... obviously they have blind ears 🤣

[@kevadu]

Meeting at Asus, probably: "How can we make our small form factor case unique?" "What if we made it gigantic?" "Wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose of going ITX?" "Which is why it's never been done before!" "Brilliant!"

[@benbaer3525]

“But don’t forget to put ultra aggressive angles and RGB lighting of course.” “Get on it”

[@rustolamite9506]

"You've NEVER seen an ITX Case like this" Cause that is not an ITX size case.

[@HardwareCanucks]

You sir, win.

[@rebelpoxy]

Touche

[@pihermoso11]

maybe somebody from TEXAS designed the case, everything's BIG in Texas....

[@xitisyeracoon8009]

sure razer antec cube

[@floaton3]

@@pihermoso11 texas is small compared to Alaska

[@simoSLJ89]

This is just an ATX case with bad layout and bad ventilation. I think I'd like a rog/spaceship-asus theme of the Lian Li TU150.

[@racerex340]

Holy shit, if you look at it that way, you're quite right! It's a shame, because the quality is clearly so top notch. I'm willing to bet that someone in Asus marketing looked at the data and noticed ITX Mobo sales were up by X percent and told engineering that they needed something over the top while clearly being an ROG product, and alas, we get this. LOL

[@storms13]

Dude, i love my TU150. If they merged the layout of the TU150 with the styling of this case, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I crammed a 3800X with a NH-D15 and gonna be putting a 3080FE in it.

[@aroncaseneqvist9074]

@@storms13 How are you gonna fit that FE 3080? are you gonna run no bottom fans or will it fit? Fellow TU-150 owner here.

[@simoSLJ89]

@@aroncaseneqvist9074 3080fe is 28.5 cm x 11.2 cm (2 slots): TU150 supports 32cm gpu (3 slots), so it should fit. I'm not sure if you will have to replace the bottom fans with slim 15mm ones.

[@spektrumB]

"How to build the biggest itx case in the world." Lesson from Asus.

[@odinsplaygrounds]

It’s like they can’t help themselves but just HAVE to waste space. Optimized space? That’s forbidden!!

[@HardwareCanucks]

Guinness Book Of World records material right there!

[@QJHKI]

If the dimension is like this, why not just get an ATX instead?

[@SMNSWPS]

Ppl want the slightly bigger case sometimes

[@funknugget6334]

Watch_Doge you completely missed the point. Why would you pay the premium for ITX parts when it’s the size of an ATX case.

[@mattevans1643]

@@SMNSWPS the point is, why would you not just buy an ATX case at that point, and save $200.

[@jaysanchez4407]

@@mattevans1643 some people don't really care to save money

[@MrDutch1e]

@@jaysanchez4407 n those people would just by an ncase m1 or something proper itx and not a massive hunk of shit. The atx rog case they have is prob similar in size to this lol.

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Holy Crap! It's huge. This case has 15 year old Epeen written all over it. 😂

[@HardwareCanucks]

But 6cm is all you need - Dmitry, 2020.

[@anhiirr]

@Alistair and their 200$ premium after taxes on the 3080 STrix.....smdh

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

@@HardwareCanucks Hahaha!

[@racerex340]

@@HardwareCanucks My wife disagrees, says 12cm is absolute minimum in 2020, unless you're removing all anti-vibration, increase reliability and remove all power limits.

[@GabbyTech]

So chimney design

[@CMDRSloma]

Steve from GN is going to complain about that AIO orientation.

[@M.Nguyen29]

CMDR Sloma nah, our tech jesus gonna roast the shit out of this even more than CM H500 Lol

[@jamescompo]

he roasted it hard at CES 2020. ASUS changed nothing it seems

[@rangz69]

7:04 :3

[@HardwareCanucks]

Then Steve didn't watch is own AIO video. People need to stop assuming what Steve said in that video because a lot of people are putting words in his mouth. ;)

[@fabiokelm]

As pointed, Steve already said to people to stop playing patrol on other creators on this topic. That was not the point of the video, it was aiming at manufacturers making bad marketing and for people to understand the consequences of tube/rad orientation in AIO. Please stop doing this.

[@therevanchist1123]

Asus Project Lead: Hey guys we need a new showroom case. Design Team: Who’s our market? Project Lead: Exactly 👍

[@Akshay.Awaghade]

Asus Project Lead: Hey guys we need a new showroom case. Design Team: What should be the size or the form-factor? Project Lead: Yes! 👍

[@Dragon228833]

I just bought this for 50 bucks on newegg. It’s gonna be my first ever pc build. Wish me luck!

[@adamwilliams3597]

I love that it has been on clearance for $50 with free shipping for months in 2023.

[@cyberlocc]

I just got one for 50 today. I was wacthing other MITX case reviews, and it was on the best temps list for CPU and GPU. It gets such hate for poor temps, but all these ITX cases have bad temps? I got a new desk to hold my 3 monitors, and it has weird shelves, that are oddly small. They are also wire grate shelves. So I will solve the vertical issue (Which is clearly the fan is being blocked... Put on feet hello) and it will fit my shelve. Use extensions for the IO, and you could put a second rad up there. It presents challenges, but there is solutions to end up with a really neat build imo. For 50, cant go wrong.

[@DudeWazap103]

I love the aesthetics of the case. If it was just an ATX case I would buy it.

[@En_Joshi-Godrez]

if it was atx it would be the size of a car. And why do you need atx anymore anyway? What else are you putting in those extra pci slots?

[@DudeWazap103]

@@En_Joshi-Godrez A 10Gbps LAN card a streaming capture card? There is alot of stuff you can add to a PCI Express slot that you probably won't use hit alot of other people will.

[@Adargi]

You don't care much for looks then...

[@rowdful]

Dude, that intro is flawless

[@BoxBoxBoxGaming]

would love to see more products like this in a larger form factor. feels like the case market is a bit stale at the moment, lots of minor variations to a predefined template. cost is a BIT much, but can be forgiven for being unique.

[@brysonm6864]

Just got mine for $50. Hoping for an easy swap w/ a new motherboard from my Pavilion setup.

[@Foster450]

Failed attempt at ASUS RoG trying to be Lian-Li

[@Jousten16]

Ye, Lian Li is useless garbage lmao.

[@SteveL11]

@@Jousten16 Another EDGE LORD has been found!

[@r3mxd]

Steve L no he is right. overrated cases. corsair cases far superior.

[@noonehere0987]

@@SteveL11 Yea, all the people complaining about this case.

[@creyes2625]

Asus rog helios > lian li

[@PalchikVykin]

Nice use of that filter on the intro 👍 Really liked that. Besides PC reviews ; a whole other channel could be made off of HCanucks Bloopers and such!

[@HardwareCanucks]

Oh you have no IDEA!

[@1SoCalFire]

The only thing i hate about this chassis is that the side panel is on the left instead on the right. other than that, it’s a fantastic case. great video too!

[@SpecialyKey]

They are interchangeble.

[@CaptHotah]

The NZXT H1 is still my favourite itx case

[@quickset]

Wish the cooling was a little better on the that case

[@HardwareCanucks]

It might be Case of the Year. BUT the included AIO does get overwhelmed quickly.

[@gamehawk55]

@@HardwareCanucks I disagree. I have the H1 with the stock AIO and fan on a 3900x, overclocked to 4.3ghz @1.2v and it only gets up to 76C under max load (55-60C while gaming). I also have three 40mm Noctua fans modded in to assist in GPU cooling that brings down the GPU temps by 15C

[@ebb632]

@@HardwareCanucks Check out Artesian Builds, they have some really cool H1 mods

[@CaptHotah]

@@ebb632 i bought a walnut front panel from them 👌

[@rossbalch]

Your glamour shots are next level. Oh man, like visual ASMR.

[@gigilibilly]

WoW you rly killed the introducing product im stunned , your doing the best describe most useful explains so far ,GL fr man and thank you GREATLY for this video it just enlighten everything for me.

[@Yona-Ek]

You gotta do more case reviews. It’s what I enjoyed the most of your channel

[@faizanuddin5771]

With every vid the edits keep getting better and I love it 😍😍

[@TommyThousandFaces]

Loved the video and the new wide angle shots are very nicely done, keep using them!

[@rajatbagrecha4523]

Bro I fantasize this type of video composition you guys pull off

[@racerex340]

GOD DAMN GUYS! Production value is INSANE! Those shots, that B-roll, the color, use of the music. Your channel is turned into vid production p0rn and I love it.

[@racerex340]

I know Dmity is behind these beautiful shots, but who did the majority of the editing in this video?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Ha both D and E edit their own videos, so this was all me 🤟 -D.

[@racerex340]

@@HardwareCanucks I know that we're all suffering under Covid, but all of this isolation appears to have allowed you to refine your skills, I'm really impressed! Your production quality is officially rivaling MKBHD, and he not only has a large production team, but generally films in a dedicated controlled studio with $100k worth of lighting along with the absolute best cameras. You did all of this with one person, you have great gear, but this goes to show how much impact that knowledge, skill, attention to detail, commitment to quality and artistry has compared to the size of the team of the amount and cost of equipment. Hey, you're producing content with quality like this and you're not even using a $40,000 Mac Pro (jk). Anyway, I'm impressed and I appreciate the effort that I know goes into these. Are you available for contract work? LOL

[@sonickiller360]

Where does the air come from?

[@johnpark120]

What air? 😂

[@sexyyoda7567]

Asus : I don't know

[@odinsplaygrounds]

Asus ROG - Republic of Grillers.

[@PaulTheFox1988]

The 5th dimension after you turn left at Greenland :D

[@vinyfiny2019]

First thing I thought looking at the thumbnail: "I bet it's 30 liters... " literally defeats the point of ITX.

[@Cartoonman154]

The I/O face looks like the front of an ultra-modern Optiplex.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Very true!

[@matthieuzglurg6015]

you forgot to mention one thing : The maximal amount of cooling you can have is when the case is on the horizontal orientation, but when used that way, you have to put your 240mm rad on the bottom, with the pump on the top of the loop, which can damage the pump in the long run

[@Oble89]

He did. 7:04

[@jorgeandreschagoyagomez5189]

I love how he always put a little plant on top of the PCs, no matter the design of the case

[@WimVlayen]

I have been looking into ITX a lot, I would love to make my next pc a small ITX case, but to me, this does not fit the "small" description, and the price is very steep. Definitely a no for me; would love to see more cool ITX cases in the future though

[@sushimshah2896]

Oh yes, thank you so much👍🏻🙌🏻 I had commented on one of your earlier videos to check this case out!!! Btw, I almost mistook your video to be from Optimum Tech, bcoz of the title/thumbnail & especially that intro 😍👍🏻

[@JonessJack]

the best damn case review channel. great work guys !!! love your content for years now. keep going!

[@robertboyer6466]

@1:48 let's discuss how bottom mount aio is a design flaw. Any air, which exists in all aio coolers, will sit within the pump for any asetek pump. Looks like there is an alternative mounting location at the back for this orientation which will easily allow it to be mounted barbs down to solve this.

[@Hack3r_Dapp]

really want to do a build with it as one recently came up 2nd hand for £80, but the price of a decent itx mobo is insane

[@perdomot]

I think Dmitri's opening comment about it being a show piece pretty much sums it up. These kinds of cases aren't meant to be easy to use, they are for folks who want to have a little challenge. It being an ITX case is irrelevant because most people these days only use the PCI slot for the video card so anything bigger than ITX is likely not needed. As for the cable issue, I've said it before but reviewers tend to forget than folks who build their PCs aren't usually disconnecting cables once things are set up, especially a show piece like this. If a builder is looking for an easy to work with case, I agree this ain't it but for folks who love RGB and that sick sci-fi look, its a killer.

[@medcrumbs5940]

Hi at 6:28 saw the aio radiator mounted at the bottom of the case with the cpu cooler being placed higher.... Wonder if that's compromising the cooling, after a recent video by hexus net explaining how air traps into the cooler when AIOs are mounted below. Would love to hear your thoughts on that!

[@Pallidus_Rider]

Visually appealing photography 😎 👍

[@e2rqey]

Asus entering the SFF market with the Z11 is like going to a sophisticated gala dressed as a Megazord from Power Rangers.

[@immortallogic]

Hey dude! I just wanted to tell you that it looks like auto correct messed your description up. Second to last sentence “even though the its is.” Love the review btw!!

[@DJHEADPHONENINJA]

cringey design and asus tax like always. No thank you.

[@vintyprod]

Was looking for this comment. Hard agree.

[@josipstivic]

8 mins in video and I still can't wrap my head around what goes where inside. :D

[@YouBetterCallSaul]

Dang video quality looks amazing💪🏼👌🏼

[@m_adi]

Oh boii the B-ROLLS are absolutely sick🔥

[@PlaCrown]

With custom loop, pump does not have to be above the radiator. Pump just has to feed from the reservoir, That's the only thing. 7:12

[@zer0_5um]

it's kinda ugly honestly.

[@ZioComposite]

If you close your eyes it looks muuuuuch better.

[@benbaer3525]

Yeah, the aggressive angles are too edgy for my liking. Nothing new in terms of ROG aesthetics though, I’m sure somebody will love it.

[@Vaxovillion]

It's god awful looking and what is funny, is that is the only thing this case is built for.

[@qxezwcs]

If you put the radiator below, air bubbles inside AIO liquid cooler will go upwards(cpu block with pump) which will make it mostly run on dry thereby making the AIO less effective and more prone to breakage.

[@DaPoets]

Well done video my man! You're correct about the AIO placement with the pump being above the radiator causing issues, but when it comes to custom water cooling a pump/rez combo unit placement doesn't matter. A custom water cooled pump/reservoir can be above the radiator with no issues at all.

[@Arsonloke]

I just bought one on newegg on sale for 50 bucks lol

[@rileyEJ257]

Okay whaaaat, I seriously thought this was an official video from Asus themself based on the quality, until I saw Dmitri and remembered its another great hardware canucks video

[@brawmedia]

Excellent video . A case I will want to buy soon

[@3lgring0]

I was just on amazon looking at O11's then the notification for this popped up. Meanwhile went back to amazon and concluded my Lian-Li O11 purchase.

[@fernandohg225]

Im still rocking an Antec 12000 from 2008, fans still working. 4 Fans intake front, 3 Fans out

[@Goodjuiced]

I remember gamersnexus looking at this case and saying the airflow looks terrible so im interested to see how it does. Interesting to see this is one of the few ITX cases that is large enough to fit a 3080 lol

[@DreamofanObssesion]

It is indeed terrible, my Asus Strix 3080 is in constant pain at 60c at idle and 88c under load inside this case.

[@jeffvillasis1189]

Forget the case. That Hardware Canucks shirt is dope!

[@rikachiu]

I NEED THIS NOW.

[@MrBbendiksen]

Seriously? have you looked at anything from Lian Li...

[@rikachiu]

@@MrBbendiksen Why yes, I am looking at my O11 dynamic and now that everybody and their mom has one, I want something that looks great and not common :)

[@rikachiu]

If this can fit my 3080 rog strix, I am buying it as soon as I can!

[@metalsteel5631]

im personally in love with my tt level 20 gt case. beautiful, large, easy to work with, lots of space.

[@jryank22]

Looks like it could fit at least four Ghost S1's inside of it

[@mattwilck182]

You guys gonna post reviews on the new Razer products?

[@abccool1314]

This filming angle is quite cool

[@reijhinru1474]

when is the launch for this case? i really want to buy this!

[@HardwareCanucks]

October!

[@reijhinru1474]

@@HardwareCanucks thank you for the answer!

[@sgtepicspeed3033]

Isn't this the same case that GN dissed that it's a good thing that it's mostly made out of aluminum so it can be easily melted after being stuck in warehouse shelves?

[@BenjaeTV]

Save yourself those $279 and buy an NCase M1, Ghost S1, Formd T1 or NR200 instead.

[@odinsplaygrounds]

Definitely. Get an ACTUAL good ITX case instead. All the ones you said are cheaper / same price and way better optimized.

[@SarenArterius]

Akso, you will save at least 20L of space too

[@axelsalmeron]

I mean you can get 2 of those almost, this case is so stupid

[@MrDutch1e]

Even tu150 is less than half the price and half the size lol. Phanteks shift air is half this things size with a way smaller footprint if you really want that vertical style.

[@lyang238]

What about the Sliger SM580

[@DiJAndy]

14:22 I thought that is the build in hub in back of case

[@stepheneckart1416]

People say air flow sucks but they can't understand that an aluminium case will dissipate heat way better. Plus that's way its water cooled. Water cooling the GPU would help tremendously on heat, ouldnt mind picking one of these up but can't find it for sale anywhere.

[@LeGrandPleb]

I was sold on this case the first time I saw it, but after looking stuff up, Idk… The main issue I have with it is the whole mobo i/o thing… Like, why? You guys really couldn’t think of a better means to address that? I just imagine myself getting insanely frustrated trying to work with this thing if I did get it. Maybe the end result would be satisfying, but I may just look into something else. A truly mind boggling case this is. Bigger than some mid towers, but for mini itx / dtx. Okay, Asus.

[@ericnewton5720]

I bought this on clearance at newegg for $50. After doing a build in it, I can tell why it was on clearance. The mobo rear IO being inside the case really irks me. Not being able to mount AIO into the 2 140mm spot irks me. The AIO tubes barely (with some bending stress) fit next to the mobo rear IO when you mount AIO to the "back". The case looks great... the brushed anodized aluminum, the front panel, the glass... such a beautiful case but the functionality of the design is so far off the mark. Just a few tweaks and it would be a huge winner but it comes up so short. Especially anytime you have to plug something into the rear mobo io... its so fn annoying. Trashing the case for a Cooler Master NR200P max. Seems better thought out.

[@pegasusted2504]

Nice case but I am at 11.58 and you are talking about the difficulty with plugging things into the IO. I am curious as to why you didn't remove the removable fans above there to give you perfectly usable access? I will say having to have the aio pump above the radiator seems stupid.

[@b1_ferg]

0:13 in and love those filters 👌

[@m4r_art]

I expect future cases to provide internal cooling solutions, and solutions that will reduce heat or filter warm air or something like that. The design aspect of an already overly big format is not the real discussion we should be having.

[@okaythisisepic6196]

Damn the visuals in the intro made me coooom

[@Sarcasmka14]

Thanks for suggesting for this case 🙏❤️

[@ashya1]

Beautiful case 😍😍

[@tyrell2695]

Did they review the antecs striker yet

[@redsnake1378]

why you did not toke a shot for the case from the glass side in the low light so we can see the motherbord striks view in the dark ????? you are a professional .

[@behroon4753]

When he said anything 6mm in width I felt that :) ty for accepting me Hardware Canucks

[@DiscipleN2k]

I was just about to pull the trigger on this case until I watched your review. I can handle less-than-ideal build conditions if the end result is going to look awesome, but making the IO such a pain in the butt to access when you're actually using the PC completely kills it for me.

[@NismoGs]

Nice echinops background. Flower power ftw

[@191desperado]

Did I miss the horizontal shot of this case???

[@commercio3564]

So many negative comment here lol. I think it looks cool. Has that cyberpunk aesthetic. I'm sure the Asian audience will appreciate this product a bit more than us Westerners. Good stuff ASUS.

[@black.phoenix.]

Props to the HUB solution, that solves the problem with lack of internal IO common from the mITX MB format, but other than that I don't see any redeem features in this case to be even considered a project that could result in profit for Asus, other than the ROG fans that must have everything ROG.

[@abelolsen9656]

All through the video, I tried to figure it out the vertical orientation, like do the case have other feet than those tiny rubbers in front? Will it choke the front fans in vertical and how do they route the cables.

[@peejeybrown]

i like how it's not tied to one orientation, its like having 2 cases. love the idea. question: does combo jack need a splitter? or it only needs 1 jack (either the mic or audio) to plug in?

[@pastiche262]

can u also talk about air cooling vs water cooling?

[@RobbbyRay]

Just picked up 2 of these new on Newegg for 100 total shipee for the pair. Stoked.

[@iComment87]

Love at first sight! Looks sweet.

[@MeltdownDJ]

By using extender i have made this case pretty adequate for daily usage of plug gears unplug it ^^

[@hanyoukimura]

Love the design. Do a vertical-only oriented ATX version with the same design, and I'm sold.

[@robbryan3044]

Honestly, while I admit this "Mini-ITX" case is quite large (for a Mini-IRX case), the ONLY real problem is the connectivity issue (which is worse for those seeing the case in the horizontal position). Had Asus thought about this (obviously, they didn't), there could have been a super-simple solution. Bessie I get into that 'solution', know, in advance, that a few design changes would have been required. In-short, the 'solution' would have been to design the case similar to how Corsair designed their "One" case. First, the ONLY option would have been vertical, which I'll explain. Looking at the Corsair One case, although the motherboards are mounted with the back panel facing up, there's still a panel on the back. Why? Because Corsair was smart enough to design a "daughter panel", which duplicates all the primary connections, placing them on the back. It's (incredibly) sad to know that Asus was 'dumb', as this should have been OBVIOUS. So, why vertical only? This would have to do with the design changes I mentioned earlier. If horizontal, if placing the 'daughter panel' on the back, this would completely eliminate the use of exhaust fans. Also, is wouldn't be possible to place the 'daughter panel' on the bottom, unless taller get were used (although, honestly, that could still have been a possibility). Rotating the case to a smarter/better virtual orientation, you can still have 2x120mm exhaust fans at the top, as well as 1x120mm intake fan art the bottom. As for the back panel, and where to place the 'daughter panel', I see two possibilities. The first would be horizontally, along the top of the back panel, as this would allow the 2x120mm/1x240mm fan/radiator mounts to remain. The second option would have been to have the PSU rotated 90 degree, and then place the 'daughter panel' vertically, among the bottom of the back, next to the PSU. As I'm uncertain an ATX PSU would have still fit, the simple solution to that would be to only have an SFX PSU mount. There...problem solved. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have an "idea" email to send to Asus. Maybe the Z11 v2 will be my design.

[@changliu7346]

If this case has an optimized internal and has the hardware support it should for this size it could help to justify this huge price tag. I don't see any point to use this case over an ATX case at the same price level.

[@dlczar]

Can you talk about positives/negatives if it was lying down like it's being used under a TV?

[@kiwiez7814]

Why I’m i looking at this review even tho I wont buy it 😂

[@JuanCAraujoS]

Even the Evolv Shift looks better for the size. For ITX, I'm still in love with he Dan A4, for something a little bigger, the NCase N1 still the best.

[@jimbothepeacock4008]

You know its *gamer* when it has a Z in the name

[@YouBetterCallSaul]

I wonder how long before the pump starts to get loud, they should have made it with the rad up top and motherboard horizontal to fix the I/O and pump above the rad issue

[@teamextreme86]

Why is you're pump at the top of the loop ? Isn't that orientation bad ?

[@sperma6961]

it is bad

[@louiefriesen]

10:54 I'm kinda having flashbacks to Da Verge