You were right, I was wrong

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[@Trevante32]

Just wanna say i love that you made a follow up video that was focused on you trying something the community giving feedback and you immediately giving it another go. I love to see youtubers listening to their community and i really wish more would but honestly i feel like the Warhammer youtube scene does a good job at doing that

[@MidwinterMinis]

I appreciate that!

[@jc7997aj]

It is good but remember they aren’t our robots or slaves. We watch them because of their perspective and individual talents. Make sure not be apart of the hive mind.

[@Trevante32]

@jc7997aj not what I meant by that but I do 100% agree I more meant that I love seeing content creators interacting with the audience more than just throwing up a poll to decide content

[@carlstanford7607]

Absolutely fantastic follow up and wonderful community interaction. Nice one guy

[@nykrev]

@@Trevante32you are very romantic 🪖🪖🪖🪖🪖

[@halfcrafted]

One of the best parts about this hobby is how we all share and learn from each other. As much as you paint, as much as you try different styles and techniques, it's very likely someone else will have learned through trial and error something that you haven't experimented or realised yet. So thanks guy, for sharing your improvements and admitting when something can be done better. And to all the people in the comments on the last video being snarky, remember that you too will likely cock something up in the future and it'd serve you well to be more humble.

[@R1v0rian]

I was expecting a response to all those comments 🤣 that intro was brilliant!

[@kriswoodpecker]

Yeah lol😂

[@MidwinterMinis]

Haha, thanks

[@MrLukeviolin]

Love that you’re not afraid of being wrong (and that we got an extra video as a result!)

[@hawezy7893]

I think the old contrast one was still really cool, but if you're going for the vibrant effect I think this one is. P e r f e c t. Hyped for Sporktober!

[@euansmith3699]

Hell's Bells, this second try is amazing; so bright and vibrant, and yet still with some subtly in the skin. I would like to see a 2nd Edition 40k Crossover between Midwinter Minis and Minisodes here on KZbin.

[@hammeredshitsteak]

I loved the community feel of this video! Would love to see more stuff like this.

[@chester1882]

This right here is why you are our favourite mini painting guy, Guy

[@battspaints]

Glad you owned up Guy! MWM continues to lead on transparency and accountability

[@MidwinterMinis]

Thanks matey!

[@Choiceof3]

Unfortunately transparency was the problem over the pre-shading.

[@zieg0r]

That (next to the awesome DIY stuff) is one of the many reasons you're my favourite channel. :)

[@catfish552]

I saw one of the comments of the original video, and while I'm not a painter myself, the preshading step being what leads to the more muted, grimdark look made a lot of sense to me. I'm glad you made a followup, it's great to see how well it worked! Both getting closer to the result you wanted, and cutting the already massively improved time from your first attempt in half again.

[@RSOULIER75]

Hello I was part of the dog piling I hope it wasn't too snarky. It is way better for what you were looking for. Have fun with the 29 other minis

[@adamcharman8726]

holy shit the side-by-side of the new bright colours vs your grimdark lad really is something

[@SnakeWorksStudio]

That ork skin tone you did there is spot on. It looks great. Im amazed at what differences a few colour changes makes.

[@moldiworp9143]

Good work, a lot of us thought it, some posted it. You have delivered in more than full. Utmost respect. I hope I can see you sometime in Aus, just to give you a handshake and heartfelt thanks.

[@bobiojimbo]

I like the different skin tones. Makes them look like individuals without having to customize uniforms and equipment.

[@jonathandamattamoreira6324]

Amazing video! And I'm glad to see all three styles of painting of the orks... Guy your videos and content are simply amazing!!!

[@malcolmhoyt6244]

Two midwinter minis videos in less than a week? I'd joke that it must be my birthday but it actually is thanks guy.

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Awesome video. This new style is even better. Please paint more in this style it looks amazing. Love the old school fun and bright era. Keep up the good work.

[@Nigelius]

Big props Guy, you took the community suggestions to heart and came out with a fantastic video response!

[@kristophermelin7160]

I think the new version turned out great. That said, there really is no "wrong" way to approach it (at least in my opinion.) The RIGHT way is the one that gets the results you like. The subtle differences are all a matter of personal preference anyway. I ALWAYS enjoy seeing how other people do things, and take from those tutorials what works for me. Thanks for a great video.

[@DanielEbeck]

The single pigment Contrasts like Baal Red are insanely vibrant.

[@minime9990]

11/10 for interaction with the audience and trying suggestions, I'm quote sure that this all comes about as most of us have the 'tism. Big love, Doomfire magenta

[@angus24.7]

Looks epic! Love to see your process and progression - always been such an incredible authentic part of your channel which is so SO valued!

[@grimbostink7607]

We love midwinter minis posting follow up content

[@MakutaDreadscythe]

Really appreciate the follow up, and the results are absolutely bang-on 90’s! Definitely shows the strengths of using both acrylic and contrast together!

[@ThomasMurch]

It takes a big man to admit that he's wrong ... an' da biggest man iz da strongest man, an' da BEST man! Good job, Midwaaaghter Minis!

[@TheBobes]

This is what a good community is all about. Someone somewhere probably already tried the thing you want to do. And you don't have to waste time & money figuring it all out by yourself thanks to the input from strangers.

[@TheThewhatnow]

I made the top comment on the other video, I have to say that the model this time around was just lovely. I wasn’t personally one of the people that suspected you of trying to underhandedly make Contrast paint look worse, but just thinking of you wasting +3 additional hours on each model because of small mistakes in application, felt like such a shame. Good on you for being open to try some of the reccomendations that the other posters made under that video.

[@luckyskaven13]

The less than polite folks can go... Interact with other people like themselves. I for one will continue enjoying your content in the spirit it is given. Thanks for being you, it's a big part of what got me back into painting to begin with

[@diadelospunisher6789]

Love your videos and the way you present yourself as just a normal painter and hobbyist like the rest of us. I have been watching since the beginning and planning to into the future good luck on all you endeavors every time.

[@ViktorBrech]

I have dozens of these and always meant to find a fun way to spend a bit of time with them. Will try this out, LOVE IT. Thanks! Would like to see more stuff like this

[@Wolfineer_]

Damn, halved your time with each new approach and dare I say the skin looks better than 90s paint and I loathe modern GW paints. Nice job!

[@redthecrusadertiktok]

I’m very impressed that you took the constructive criticism and applied it. Most KZbinrs would just ignore the comments and not improve their skills.

[@DragonsHoardOfPlastic]

Oh yeah, that was definitely the right move, looks great 👌 Tbh they all look good in their own way, but this one has the classic 90s look nailed.

[@LinkiePup]

Hey I know you!

[@DragonsHoardOfPlastic]

@@LinkiePup Gasp, it's the funnee dog 😮

[@blakestewart7533]

Two videos in 5 days. We are blessed

[@BigMekDanskull]

Brilliant stuff, that's way closer & quicker than the original effort.

[@handcannonart]

This new color scheme made such a difference! This was a cool follow-up video.

[@Minicornerspace]

Watching the spill Guy had with the black legion contrast paint reminded me that not even a week ago my dad spilled a pot of the same thing. ALSO AMQZING VIDEO GUY

[@rickohanlon3370]

Top man for going back and giving it another go. Turned out great!

[@fireboy312002]

Good on you for admitting and trying.

[@_tensketch]

It's somehow more vibrant. Looks great, excellent follow up.

[@Dsgj]

I found an old starter set with these bad boys and space marines among my old Warhammer figures when I visited my parents last summer. The paint pots were untouched, and the paint was in mint condition. It was such a joy to start painting again! (Although, the 18-year-old screw lid paints were a bit... thick...)

[@JustinUrHead]

Gotta love the community interaction! Keep up the good work!

[@MrCai01]

Wow, what a difference! Looks amazing

[@thejaxter6993]

Oh boy school is about to start but I gotta watch this Edit: wow that turned out amazing, good work as always!

[@MidwinterMinis]

It can wait 8 minutes

[@Dylan-er9ji]

Days later, admits the mistakes with a whole new video. Love to see it

[@dracometeors3010]

It takes a Fool to be wrong. It takes a man to stand up for his Mistakes.

[@MidwinterMinis]

Fortunately I am both.

[@seanocd]

​@@MidwinterMinisBest way to be. ❤

[@asphtherogue]

Hot damn that looks good! Nice work Guy!

[@Gfloresadam]

Good on ya for going through your learning with us!

[@andrewbratchell1715]

Well done on revisiting this! I was like you and "anti" contrast paints until I started using them for my orks. They've come out awesome and more importantly very quick to paint. Just another tool for the tool box.

[@sandaemon]

Gosh, I didn't know you're being haunted by voices from comments. In that case: "Wooo... You're pretty gooood..."

[@GoblinGreen2021]

That looks flippin awesome! The green and red contrasts are mega impressive. Space Wolves vs Greenskins one day? 🙌

[@HeadCannonPrime]

I'm really glad you went back and did a proper contrast try. I was pretty disappointed with that last video. I knew you could achieve the look you were goin for in MUCH less time because I have done pretty much this exact thing on my own.

[@MauriceWijma]

Funny thing with Orks, at least for me, is that it doesn't matter much if they all have a different shade or vibrancy. It is all up to how you want your army to look, but I really like the imperfection you can get away with in an Orks army.

[@multiple_oranges]

i loved the original video and loved this follow up as well!! Awesome to see how well it worked, the new ones look amazing!

[@adamtomlinson918]

contrast paints really are great on these old hand sculpted minis since their details are so exaggerated. Great vid Guy!

[@L3GHO5T]

Just a video I love to see as I’m working on prepping a squad of snotlings for blood bowl!

[@Judgeharm]

Looks great!

[@ben.harnwell]

Great follow up. I’m still not great with contrast but I think you’ve made me re think then.

[@LinkiePup]

Honestly, despite being red green color blind, and the fact that Gutrippa Flesh is so stupidly close to Goblin Green (its slightly more tan, than Gobbo Green.), is so PERFECT! Expect me to do some Orks in that 90s style for Ork-tober!

[@Matkins85]

Huge respect to you for listening to feedback and having another crack at it. I've been finding that speed paints are another learning curve all to themselves, but a little easier to climb due to how quick the iteration loop is.

[@gregmurray4169]

Watercoloryness, that's the description I've been looking for!

[@andydogdad4349]

I think its pretty cool you made a response video to all the comments!

[@Teddybomb]

this is why i love you: humble and not afraid to be humbled.

[@foreshame7370]

I don't bother painting anything properly these days, but I still enjoy your vids and attitude.

[@R0xxo]

Great results. Glad you gave it another go!

[@FreshCoatKustoms]

Always happy to help. We all should never, ever stop learning. Even Vince and Duncan gladly take suggestions from the comments almost as much as they give them. I love how the last one turned out. Gutrippa Flesh seems to be a good alternative to the awesome Ork Skin from Vallejo.

[@MrZippidydoodahh]

Glad to see just the white primer I know a lot of very smart folks say zenithal for contrast, but I have found that only really works if you are going for a high resolution grimdark. Just white or off-white really gets you a very readable comicbook-y look if that's what you are going for.

[@mr.potato2223]

4:35 When you spill a thin paint pot you can soak it up mostly with a sponge and squeeze it back into the pot Saves a little of it

[@jmc7034]

Great vid and love your honesty

[@DaJan1509]

I also regularly need to rip tissues one-handed. Very useful video

[@livanbard]

Priming white is just on everery 90s tutorial ever.

[@Boris945471]

Great work, I like theses old school models so much, not to much detail and some texture (like the axe handle) New GW mins are just to busy, to much detail with little big flat areas and lack of texture. I have been enjoying painting again since I picked up some others games with much simpler, less over detailed mins

[@steev1121]

Love the intro for this, really captured the feeling of reading the comments! Don't let the negativity get you down! 💜

[@benscerri6472]

I definitely knew it could get more retro, but I didn't realise it would be THIS good! Well done on the follow up, and thanks for showing off what can be done!

[@leosierras9643]

Thank you for introducing me to my new favorite ork skin theme, I don't have much in terms of 2nd Edition ork models BUT I am a fan of the 90s colors of 2nd edition and the early scrap team look of Gorkamorka so Gutrippa Flesh will be perfect!

[@benny911]

good work guy, looks like you might have to do a 2nd ed battle report ...

[@Jamgeoso]

Looks so good! I guess group think has done the job on this one. I love plague bearer flesh but now think that I'll probably pick up gutrippa flush too. Cheers! PS. I still stand by my comment on the last video that you can get a nice in-between with a much heavier white drybrush if anyone's interested in that kinda result.

[@marcuspiristi3043]

You absolute legend for doing a follow up!

[@gregmccormack5709]

Sweet Final result..... with less time! 👍🏻

[@alwoodsmodellingmayhem]

This is just amazing!!! Man this brings back so many great memories, although the paint job is 100 times better than I would have done back then. A great idea showing the different results and I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this for us.. I am already subbed, but a thumbs up is guaranteed.👍👍

[@B__C__]

Of course it takes about three hours to free-hand the checkers on the shoulder pad, so there was some time saved there as well. 😁😉👍👍

[@MrMockigton]

props to you, guy! it must have taken some work to churn out another video so soon after the first one.

[@paulmiller6431]

Honestly, mad respect for being willing to try someone else's suggestion right after you released your video. It would be easy to just move on, but I appreciate that you were willing to try to suggested adjustments to try to better achieve the desired result.

[@DiverDays]

My soul left my body after seeing the black legion spill

[@brianbarrett2487]

I bought this box set off Kijiji like 10 years ago. Someone painted all the space marines up Blood Angels and did half the Gretchen. Im slowly gluing the orcs together

[@PigeonCrash]

That's a fantastic glow-up! You nailed that retro charm on the new one.

[@stephenspackman5573]

The evolution of the use of contrast paint has been interesting to watch. It went from “there's a new technology that does this new thing! It's quick and easy!” to “yeah but I want the old thing? And now I have to use this stupid new tool?” to “oh this new tool is totally awesome, it's quicker and easier and I can still do the old thing!” to “wait, when I use the new tool I just end up getting the old thing?” But I think all we can really take away from it is that habits are surprisingly hard to break, especially when they fall quite close to what you used to do. In any case, you get the full ten points for making this video, Guy. Responsibility and accountability (dare I say transparency?) in painting plastic orks is what this world needs.

[@tambordford3939]

Love the green for the skins so good

[@Sharpevil]

It's pretty wild how, when you showed the two speedpainted orcs next to each other at the 30 minute mark, the old orc looked like the new one in a dark room. And wow, at the end that last contrast version is far and away the best looking retro orc despite the time.

[@gavinboyer4634]

Oh this, this is beautiful.

[@celambor]

First video was great, comments about the preshading were on point and now seeing you listened to the community and tried what was recommended, excellent job

[@alamander4444]

6:15 "And I'm never going to get everything perfect..." He says as Contrast First Try is written over both the first and second try! Great little touch there if intentional or happy accident if not! I love how the skin turned out in this one even more than the original acrylic one, great job!

[@MoodyMallory]

Fair play coming back and recording a follow up, Guy.

[@jackofn0trades29]

A couple of tips that I have personally found. 1. You can use a thumbtack or safety pin to center your hole for gun barrels. 2. Instead of directly painting, on white for the checkerboard, start with a medium gray, then use a mechanical pencil, to sketch the squares before you paint! 3. If you want to keep the vibrancy of your colors when you highlight mix them in with an adjacent hue on the color wheel, mix your base green with Yellow, or your red with Orange. It works to really give a sense of life to the model! (Thanks for that one Louise)

[@Blacknight8850]

For a spill as big as that Black Legion one, it might be worth getting some cheap pipettes for getting some of it back into the pot - I've saved myself a bit of ink that way when I've over-poured into my dry palette.

[@ClearlyInPeril]

Wow, great followup! Love how u listened to every tip for how to improve the vibrancy, as well as using Contrast as a base to then use Acrylics over :) love the second look at what Contrast can really do, and how much a primer can change the paints!

[@HuntersOA]

To be honest, the new version with contrast looks the best :D

[@TheLemonFox]

Ahh classic mistake - being wrong on the internet. Nice job Guy, this looks great. Contrast is a tool just like anything else and has its own learning curve. Lets not pretend the majority of the community used to complain about how bad it was till they learnt how to use it.