You Won't Believe the Ray Tracing Capabilities of RTX 4070 SUPER

[@theivadim]

What should we test next?

[@ahmedhany-un4ex]

rx 7800 xt

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Rtx 4080 dlss performance 8K Yes that wasn't a typo, 8K!!!💪💪💪

[@theivadim]

​@@Gustaviustwinkelberry I'll keep that in mind🙂 I like this idea. I don't have this GPU but I'll do my best to get my hands on the 4080 or the 4080 SUPER.

[@BroddieBlocks93]

Do a budget card like RX 6600 its a good 1080p card you can buy used for like $150 not too bad ;]

[@tcfyz5081]

if I get the i5-13600k instead of the i7 you used is it better or not ?

[@dauntae24]

I couldn’t believe them either. That why I now own a 4090.

[@theivadim]

Enjoy!🙂

[@metalface_villain]

upscaling the image down to hell, adding fake frames, lowering the base setting just to see some clouds reflecting realistically on a lake. is the artefacts from all those settings, running out of vram, getting stutters, blurry and washed out image, low fps and lag a fair trade just to be able to enable path tracing?

[@theivadim]

It’s not as bad as you make it sound. Personally, I play with ray tracing disabled, but it’s still interesting to see what the ray tracing experience is like. Some people might actually prefer it.

[@metalface_villain]

​@@theivadim imo ray tracing just isn't it yet and there is a reason you don't enable it, one being that it's extremely hard to run properly even with very expensive gpus and the other being that in about 7 years, only the three games u tested have ray tracing that makes a real and big difference in the visuals.

[@Mystic_Chizu]

I tried modded cyberpunk hacked to allow amd framegen on a used 2070 and was getting 40fps. now i have a 4070S. One thing that I did notice is that DLSS is a pretty good anti-aliasing solution. And that DLSS becomes a blurry mess the less framerate it has to work with.

[@xovgamer]

u don't even used a nvidia rtx gpu 😂, fake frames ?? u don't even know wtf you are yapping about

[@metalface_villain]

@xovgamer they are though, they are fake frames the gpu guesses and puts in between real ones. the name is a scam, it's not frame gen but more like frame smoothening and the lower your original frames the worse the result. frame gen also produces artefacts and gives a washed look. i see ppl use it all the time thinking it will give them frames and save them when the tech isn't for that, it's just to get higher refresh when you already got enough frames.

[@tradix3570]

I couldn't believe that either. That's why i have an RTX 3070.

[@Qammar97]

hows your 3070 performing when you play Black Myth?

[@hamzamursleen]

also have the same gpu, made my mind to buy the 4070s but that vram is not enough :( , i' wait for next gen, what about u?

[@MrSpud9000]

like fucking shit if he's using raytracing my 3070ti couldn't handle it ​@@Qammar97

[@dumbstonks]

Instantly subscribed! Your videos are incredibly detailed and perfect for buyers who want to know exactly what they're getting before spending a lot of money on a GPU. Thanks, and keep up the great work, dude!

[@theivadim]

Welcome aboard! That’s exactly my mission.🙂

[@west5385]

First time watcher of your channel and this is amazing. You are doing benchmarks like a real person who is willing to make compromises and not just showing ultra settings figures. Subscribed. Yes I know why benchmarks are done like that I am just saying your video is actually what I was looking for. Also your camera setup is sooo good

[@theivadim]

I’m glad you like it.🤝🙂 I’ll keep making videos like this.

[@georgepuie3914]

If I was to buy a gpu for ray tracing an affordable one,I would get the 4070 ti super

[@AshRaf-to5gu]

This is some fun settings experimentation. Keep it up!

[@theivadim]

Thanks! More to come!🙂

[@vasilispapageorgiou777]

Which software do you use to output CPU/GPU stats on the screen? Thank you

[@theivadim]

CapFrameX

[@Sp3cialk304]

Try this again with a +1500 memory overclock on the 4070 Super. Its limited by memory bandwidth more than rt core performance. All the super cards are. The 4070 Super overclocked to the same memory bandwidth as a stock 4070 ti super shows this really well. As with the same memory bandwidth they perform the same.

[@Gamer-q7v]

The biggest problems with RT are noise and artefacts. Because current generation hardware isn't powerful enough to run games at a high ray count, denoisers have to be used to fill in the missing pixels where rays weren't able to properly get to. Denoisers blend the sampled rays together, leading to low-quality and inaccurate RT effects. Current ray-traced games use a low ray count, which causes a noisy image with artefacts. More rays and bounces mean higher image quality, more accurate RT effects, and less noise and artefacts. Increasing the number of rays and bounces is the most effective way to make RT/PT look substantially better. The problem is that the higher the ray count, the more demanding it becomes, which is why it's not a viable solution yet. Video games still haven't unlocked the full potential of RT graphics. Once hardware is powerful enough to run games at a high ray count, ray tracing will look absolutely phenomenal without all the horrible noise and artefacts. RT is the future of gaming graphics, at least for single-player games.

[@theivadim]

The overall presentation looked fine to me, but I understand what you’re saying. Higher quality is always a plus. I’m confident that as ray tracing hardware continues to mature, we’ll see improvements in image quality. I’m looking forward to that future!

[@Gamer-q7v]

​@@theivadim For that to happen, though, GPUs need a massive performance increase in ray-traced games. Also, with a bunch of new high-end gaming monitors said to release in 2025, more powerful GPUs are definitely needed to utilise them properly.

[@theivadim]

​@@Gamer-q7v The RTX 5090 can't arrive soon enough😀

[@Gamer-q7v]

@@theivadim Yeah, that GPU should be a monster. Judging from the leaked specs, I expect the 5090 to be around 75% faster than the 4090 at 4K raster.

[@theivadim]

@@Gamer-q7v My bet is on 50-60% uplift.

[@theandroids]

Have you tried it with the ultra + ray tracing mod?

[@grannysgrass]

So what cpu would you recommend for this card? I was thinking a 7600x but will that be a bottleneck?

[@theivadim]

I'd go for the Ryzen 7 7700X. Of course, if it's not too expensive in your region. But the 7600X will get the job done in most cases. But you have to make sure that you're not using CPU intensive settings in some games. Like the highest level of crowd density in Cyberpunk. The 7600X won't be able to deliver a smooth experience if you enable that.

[@grannysgrass]

@@theivadim Ok thanks 👍

[@sev8608]

Even a 7600 would not bottleneck the 4090 if you went for it so no it wont bottleneck a 4070 super

[@bosssauce1045]

this is SUPER weird i used to run wukong ON VERY HIGH on a 4060 ti got 60fps no issues 1440p 144htz

[@aaronwilson2745]

"It's an ocean. Not a lake." 😊

[@petez_23]

Warwick get bored and bought a sword to fight Wu 😂😂

[@JP-cb9sh]

I have a question. Which one is better? 32" 4K or 27" 4K?

[@Shubham-7]

27 inch 4k. Is best because 32 is too big for desk setup

[@theivadim]

I prefer 32 inch. That's what I'm using right now to work as well as enjoy games.

[@JP-cb9sh]

@@Shubham-7 Yea. I've omitted the space. Thanks for the input.

[@JP-cb9sh]

@@theivadim Thanks. I can see you're enjoying bigger screen. 😎

[@sev8608]

27 inch 1440p oled at most, but 27 inch 1440p is the best sweet spot

[@CRock2016]

Do the test in 3440X1440

[@kuzzzzzzzzzzzz7511]

What can you recommend for 1440p 480hz monitor?

[@theivadim]

The Ryzen 7 9800X3D with the best GPU that fits your budget.

[@kuzzzzzzzzzzzz7511]

@theivadim what if the fps cant go up to 480 fps to meet my 480hz it will adjust automatically???

[@AaronWOfficial]

@@kuzzzzzzzzzzzz7511 If you get a VRR (Variable Refresh Rate\Gsync\Freesync) display, the only part of FPS you need to worry about is if the FPS goes higher than your refresh rate (easy fix, just cap your fps with rivatuner). As long as the fps is under your refresh rate, you have nothing to worry about other than "is my fps bad". I just turn gsync + vsync on in nvidia cp, and cap my fps at 144 in rivatuner on a 240hz monitor tbh. I think anything over 144 fps is overkill unless you are ultra competitive doing esports\tournaments and stuff. The reason I use a 240hz monitor for 144 fps, is gsync doesn't play nice when capping at your monitor's refresh rate and it is generally recommended to cap fps slightly below your refresh rate so I wouldn't be able to cap at 144 fps if I had a 144hz monitor. Plus it is nice to have more hz than you need, for future proofing. Maybe some day 240hz will become standard, and I will be all set when that happens.

[@theivadim]

​@@kuzzzzzzzzzzzz7511 I don't think I understand the question.

[@smoove7932]

Vadim my friend, will you be having videos for the 5090 once it is released?

[@theivadim]

Hi! That's the plan🙂 Judging by the leaked specs the 5090 will be epic.

[@LordmonkeyTRM]

Mad that a $700(PS5 Pro money) GPU can't power through anything.

[@Czarhi]

U mean it's not worth ?

[@blackdragon4254]

U really have a monkey brain, the ps5 pro will use very heavy ups calling feature called the(pssr) to deliver the performance if you want that performance use dlss ultra performance and frame gen then you’ll get the fps you want

[@shavy9655]

to be fair, it is available for as low as 550€ in europe for a while now

[@caliginousmoira8565]

even the gawked 4090 has RT issues..... we ain't there yet

[@yukaweed]

Amazing fps lock at the end for CyberPunk!!!! :)

[@swagdaddy1242]

I have a rtx 4070ti and I can’t run ultra ray tracing without any stutters :( and I’m not sure how to fix it, I have a i5-13600k oc to 5.1ghz , 32gigs of 3600mghz ram ddr and a 750watt gold rated psu so I’m wondering if now I have to upgrade

[@theivadim]

Some games are just stuttery. Try locking FPS at a value that your PC can consistently deliver. Like a 60 FPS lock if you are getting 70-80 FPS. If that doesn't get rid of stuttering then something might be wrong with your hardware or system stability. Sometimes an unstable overclock can cause all sorts of trouble. Even the official out of the box overclock for Intel CPUs can cause this kind of instability. I had to update BIOS and lower power preset on my i7 14700K to get rid of stutters in some games. Try that as well. Set Intel base power limit in BIOS after updating to the latest version.

[@swagdaddy1242]

@ I will try this thank you I basically went with ultra ray tracing and set it to dlss quality like wat you did and for some reason cyberpunk is a lot smoother now

[@CaptainScorpio24]

yuh hv Vram pblm bro

[@CaptainScorpio24]

always use dlss quality rather native or dlaa for a 12gb card

[@swagdaddy1242]

@@CaptainScorpio24 alright

[@Czarhi]

Why u didn't tested in 4k with those settings I really want to see if i can get 40 fps with 4070 super in 4k dlss , so that i can decide.

[@AaronWOfficial]

4070 super is not a 4k card that is why he didn't do it. Just unrealistic to expect 4k from this card. I have a 4070 super myself, and I always turn ray tracing off so I can play in native 1440p at good framerates. Ray tracing is just not worth the image quality drop you get from DLSS.

[@Czarhi]

@AaronWOfficial man I'm so confused what should I get PS5 pro or build ?

[@LeaveMyGun]

Ps5 pro will probably have the equivalent of medium settings and low raytracing, and no frame generation​@@Czarhi

[@AaronWOfficial]

@@Czarhi ps5 pro will not be native 4k, it will basically be a downclocked 4070 (same feature set, slightly less raw power) with worse upscaling. Looking at an internal resolution of 1440p or lower upscaled to 4k in the pro enhanced setting, but DLSS is better quality upscaling than PSSR and you will get better frame stability with the 4070 series cards because of the extra raw power it has on the pro gpu. So if you want higher fidelity without breaking bank go with a 4070 super, and either play native 1440p or use DLSS to get to 4k. If you really want 4k gaming on most games, 4080 super or 4090 is the way to go but good luck finding a 4090 XD. You can still run some games native 4k on the 4070 just some games such as black myth wukong, alan wake 2, cyberpunk for example are extremely demanding so you should expect to have to upscale for these types of games. Personally I would advise against 4k, it is just far too expensive and to keep up with 4k gaming you are going to have to upgrade again in a few years. 1440p is far easier to get + higher framerates are much easier to achieve. And personally I would rather use the money that would be spent on 4k hardware to get a nice 27" QD-OLED 1440p monitor with 240hz. OLED + higher refresh rate and faster response time is a far bigger deal than 4k.

[@Czarhi]

@@AaronWOfficial will I get 40 fps with rt in Alan wake at 4k with dlss? I'll just go today and get the pc then I have the budget of 2500$ but the problem is I don't wanna waste the money if the pro will be good enough !!! In 2500 I'm getting 4080 super build but pretty sure I can get 4070 super build for 1800

[@Ariel_UZ]

my only problem with the 4070 super is the 12gb of vram

[@theivadim]

It’s a smaller issue than you might think. I haven’t played any game in 2024 where 12GB of VRAM wasn’t enough to provide a pleasant experience. I play on a 4K monitor with the 4070 SUPER, using DLSS.

[@AaronWOfficial]

@@theivadim I am tired of this misconception about VRAM. People neglect to mention that the super has GDDR6X which is a higher memory bandwidth than the standard GDDR6 most cards have. VRAM capacity isn't everything, how the VRAM is used matters a lot more. Memory clocks\bandwidth speeds\what bus the memory has etc.

[@shargakun]

It is not so the vram as the bus. the much slower arc A750 has 256 bit and when you play on it it is stable. The 192 bit bus on the 4070 super is the big crash, not the vram

[@AaronWOfficial]

@@shargakun Not 100% correct The bit of a bus can matter, but it depends on what clock the memory has. A card with a lower memory clock with a 256 bit bus will often be outperformed by a card with a higher memory clock and a 192 bit bus. If not outperformed, then they will be about equivalent performance. The only time the 256 bit bus will outperform is when the memory clock is not a significant jump. Memory bandwidth is determined by the bit interface of the GPU and the memory clock. It is not either\or, it is both together. For example, if I have a card with 256-bit bus that is -2000mhz vs a card with a 192-bit bus, the memory bandwidth would be roughly the same between both cards

[@notDroxy]

imagine playing this on full screen size laughs I cant stand the fact the he shows benchmarks with half the sceen with black bars

[@TheKims82]

This is a 1440P 16:9 benchmark. 1440P 21:9 would be harder to run.

[@gambino48]

"USE A MUCH MORE POWERFUL GRAPHICS CARD..." LOLOL BRO THERE AREN'T THAT MANY MORE GPU'S MORE POWERFUL THAN THE 4070 SUPER LOLOL...YOU'VE FOR THE SUPER TI, THE 4080 CARDS, AND FINALLY THE MONSTER 4090...SO IT'S NOT LIKE THERE ARE TONS OF GPU'S THAT ARE STRONGER LOL

[@ItsCristiii]

yeah ofc amd doesn't exist

[@Denis-wk7km1]

Ray Tracing is a bad joke. I had 3 videocards RTX during the last 15 months, and I used RT only in several games. RT good in Ratchet & Clank, Metro Exodus, Cyberpunk, Control. The most games look the same with or without raytracing. Alan Wake 2, Dead Space Remake, Forza Motorsport. And RT is for videocards RTX6000-7000 series. I can't use RT on RTX 4080 Super in 4K, cos I need to use DLSS Performance and DLSS Framegen for it. It costs too much. I prefer to play DLSS Quality without RT. And the same was with 4070, I can't use RT in 2K for the most of games.

[@AaronWOfficial]

Ray Tracing is like 60% placebo. When you are actually playing you don't even notice it. The 50% fps drop is far more noticeable than the ray tracing :P. Everyone I ever spoke to about ray tracing says the same thing "not worth the performance loss" and I agree.

[@Denis-wk7km1]

@@AaronWOfficial It's true. The most of games looks 99% the same with Ray Tracing, but make -20-40% fps. The main problem is that modern consoles and PC can launch real RT. For example Path Tracing looks not bad at all, but it totally kills FPS. I can't play Cyberpunk 2077 in 4K, DLSS Quality and RT without Frane Generation or lower DLSS (that make image not sharp at all). I think that RTX 6000-7000 series will make RT for people, but not now

[@AaronWOfficial]

@@Denis-wk7km1 I think that is a realistic expectation that the 6000 series could do it well. Perhaps even the 5000 series could, but only time will tell on that one. Don't forget leaked specs aren't necessarily going to be accurate.

[@shavy9655]

idk i really like it. Even in games like elden ring, i like the little details and they give me a little chuckle despite knowing it looks still pretty good without RT

[@unik0016]

Amazing Video Sir 🎉 How Are You ❤🎉

[@theivadim]

Thanks! I'm well - working hard😀 And how are you?

[@unik0016]

@theivadim Well I Am Also Good 😊 Thanks For Reply ☺️

[@campnguyen]

I prefer Cyberpunk 2077 to ALAN SLEPT 2 all the time.

[@MostSaneOWPlayer]

Just turn the ray tracing down.

[@ivanpr14]

is it ok if i use 650W power supply?

[@theivadim]

To power the 4070 SUPER? Yes. As long as the power supply is of decent quality.

[@onicEQ]

Ray tracing is waste of electricity. Also, you can play in actual ultrawide on an ultrawide monitor. 😅

[@Lennox032]

Gaytracing is utter trash turn it off for a smoother responsive gameplay! I have a rtx 3090 and i turn that garbage OFF!

[@neti_neti_]

👌👌👏👏

[@hitts8928]

40 series was introduced just to fill the gap, 50 series is gonna be the real deal

[@theivadim]

We'll see in a few months🙂

[@eikbolha5883]

After 1050ti Rtx 2070super Rtx 3070 OC and later Rtx 4070super i dont belive greedia no more well insted i buyed the rx 7900gre and im glad more fps than Rtx 4070super in Basic raster in 1440p and 4k and its just fine over all and yes plus 130eur cheaper that nvidia. What i think about Rtx 4070super its just great fps really great mid range mid range to lIttle higher gpu just Like the rx 7900gre but price i just was too hight when i comparing it to AMD the difference is big and its nôt even funny no more. Over all next tíme im gonna invest to new gpu i Will wait for official bench marks Like this dude Gréta video as always just Best cuz honest True video are Best.

[@gearscole]

Hi @theivadim think the price Will be legendary, i’ve to make a choice between the 4070 super, 4070 ti and the 4070 ti super, i m not playing 4k, just 1080p and 1440p occasionaly, a lot solo game like the witcher, cyber punk, mass effect, wukong, with a lot of ligthroom and photoshop professionnal work, i’m photographer. I mean ... the vram in the 6 or 7 next years Will be a issue that what we thinik but the history show us, the rtx 2080 is usable today, so it’s difficult to predict that, and i don’t want to fa1ll for commercial brainwash

[@AaronWOfficial]

50 series is also gonna need an over 1000w PSU if the leaks are true XD. Your electric bill is gonna be thicc with that.

[@eikbolha5883]

@@gearscole good thinking také Rtx 4070ti super or right away Rtx 4080superr cuz prices of those two are nôt that far away also 16gb is starting to be standart i men 12gb of VRAM y gonna have no issue in games maybe in 2 or 3 games need slightly more but definitelly is y pick gpu with 12gb of VRAM its gonna bé Like y gonna have to use that dlss a lot also frame gen. But with 16gb version y bé fine also you can pick amd 7900xtx but IF you are profesionál photographer i get it nvidia is better in this case.