Young Christopher Hitchens on Israel's Right to Exist

A young Christopher Hitchens answers a CSPAN caller's question on whether he recognizes Israel's right to exist

[@michaelcoward1902]

Didn't agree with everything Hitchens said...but the big difference between him and todays professional gum-flappers is that Hitchens always showed his workings...he was always able to explain within his answers, in simple terms, how and why he came to his conclusions within his answers and that alone is worthy of respect.

[@env0x]

his rhetoric and political discourse was top notch but his philosophy was dog shit

[@OhManTFE]

@@env0x says the nobody on the youtube comments section

[@env0x]

@@OhManTFE but he wasn't even a philosopher, despite how much he pretended to be. he was a journalist, and he wrote books on faith, culture, politics and literature. not philosophy.

[@OhManTFE]

@@env0x he never claimed to be a philoshoper, so what even is your point?

[@jgmediting7770]

He wasn’t a shill or a propagandists for a certain faction of the elite, which is what so many being platformed today are.

[@syedrhaque765]

I have never been a fan of CH but " it would be immense help if Israel tells where its boundaries should be, every other country does that" is a timeless classic.

[@Ghhyuttgg]

How could you not be a fan of this man?

[@syedrhaque765]

@@Ghhyuttgg I have seen him talking about Islam. He and all other noted atheists including Sam Harris and others have a very rudimentary , shallow and heavily biased understanding about Islam. When they talk about Islam it shows and thats what made me less interested. But in this clip he was impressive.

[@GamingEpochs]

​@@syedrhaque765😂

[@pkoven]

it's not a timeless classic,. it was a false argument when he made it, sometime way back then when he was a young man with dark hair [don't know the date of this clip, he died in the meantime] but his comment is certainly obsolete now. israel gave up its occupation of Gaza, and of most of the West Bank, and handed them over. so that's not just a declaration that you seek, but an implementation, of a policy giving up those areas. israel doesn't invade Lebanon or Syria or expressed interest in changing those borders. that's a clear declaration. but the real fake-out and lack of intellectual honesty from CH in the clip, is that THE ARABS HAVE NEVER RECOGNIZED THE STATE OF ISRAEL, MUCH LESS ITS BORDERS. only two bordering States, Egypt and Jordan, have officially recognized the State of Israel and their borders with her,, the latter in 1994 or so, apparently after this clip was made . it's the old double-standard about Israel, but in a new context: why should it declare it borders, when none of its neighbors recognizes it very existence anyway? you're guilty of the same immoral, inconsistent and hypocritical stance when you confirm his comment. it's very nice that CH, from his comfortable intellectual chair in England, was willing to recognize Israel.geez, he's such a great guy. But most of the Arab world still doesn't recognize the State of Israel, much less its borders. and by the way, Hamas would kill him and you too if they could get to you. you are an infidel too. and you added in your comment a totally ignorant, extreme, and untrue statement, which even CH didn't make: all over the world, there are disputed borders between countries, with plenty of argument and lack of clarity. are you really such an expert on World Geography to state that Israel in the ONLY country like that? Anti-Semites come in all shapes and sizes. you don't have to be ignorant, speak like an illiterate, and wear a KKK suit to be an anti-Semite. plenty of intellectuals are. they just make it sound sophisticated with their clipped British accent.

[@Kormac80]

@@syedrhaque765 Shallow and biased view? Because they don't share your irrational beliefs and your primitive arrogant desire to impose them on others? Harris and Hitchens are certainly NOT shallow or rudimentary, and yes they are biased, in the direction of rationalism, especially in policy making. I'm sure they'd all believe that you're perfectly entitled to believe in the tooth fairy if you'd like, just don't try and impose your dogmatic religious beliefs on the rest of us via policy. Distinctions, boundaries. Show some respect to people who are probably far more intelligent and learned than you.

[@roopgill8524]

I know CH was an atheist and highly critical of those with faith such as myself, having said that, I truly miss this man and I feel his absence from political discourse is truly a immense loss for humanity as his insights in this field were incredibly fascinating and truly an amazing contribution.

[@comegetyourretribution]

Big respect to you. 👍

[@FactStorm]

I appreciate reading this comment, and I wish you the best :)

[@roopgill8524]

Thank you so much. Blessing to you for everything in life.@@comegetyourretribution

[@roopgill8524]

Thank you so much. As do I for you in everything.@@FactStorm

[@SagaciousFrank]

I'm agnostic, and he was a pretentious c**t.

[@danieldavid3160]

Well answered Christopher Hitchens. How terribly sad, that you are no longer with us. However, your wise and truthful words remain, immortal. 🤗🥰

[@OCD-GUY]

He chose hell

[@ephemeralenhancement9445]

His words will pass away; but Jesus' words will never pass away.

[@TheAlchemist1089]

​@@ephemeralenhancement9445elaborate please

[@Samael5783]

​@@OCD-GUYHe choose truth, there's no God

[@OCD-GUY]

@@Samael5783 Where did potatoes come from?

[@no-oneman.4140]

A man whose ferocious intellect was matched by his courage. So missed, wish he'd looked after himself.

[@yt.personal.identification]

He wouldn't have wanted to live any other way.

[@soughnymaugh]

@@yt.personal.identification I'm certain he would've if he'd known he was gonna die just when his popularity was about to take off in a big way and gotten another 10 years of life. He did say himself that he wasn't ready to die.

[@yt.personal.identification]

@@soughnymaugh Not wanting to die is very different to wishing you lived differently. They are in no way comparable.

[@danf1862]

Cancer. What more proof does one need beyond cancer for why there isn't a god. Most of the people I've lost to cancer were Jesus lovers. It didn't help

[@nathanlevesque7812]

People don't always know what they want. False positives and false negatives abound either way. @@yt.personal.identification

[@Wazzu07]

Nobody denies or are against Jewish people having their own state called Israel, but that definitely doesn't mean that such a state should come about at the expense of a population already living in the land....the Palestinians! It's like a descendant of your town who hasn't set a foot in your land all of a sudden rocking up, taking over the entire town & renaming, kicking the locals out & massacaring any who try to resist, & then play victim to justify enforcing an occupation on them! Israel's actions & atrocities are absolutely ludicrous!

[@elbentzo]

Wow. You're so wrong on every single word you said I honestly don't know where to begin. Firstly, yes, there are many millions of people around the world who are opposed to a Jewish state. Zionism is the idea the Jews should have a state. Every anti-zionist you see is opposed to Jews having a sovereign state. Moreover, there are literally hundreds of rallies and demonstrations around the world right now where you can hear people calling for the abolishment of the state of Israel. Most Palestinians, and of course Hamas, have many times very clearly said they believed Jews should live as minorities in other countries, as they did before 1948, and *not* have a state. Your denial of this extremely-easy-to-check fact immediatley shows you're either completely ignorant on the subject, or you're completely dishonest. Secondly, Jews lived in the land called Palestine long before the Arabs who now call themselves Palestinians. Not only did they have a sovereign country (several, in fact) for almost two thousand years before the Arabs even strated coming to the area, but they also never fully left. Your analogy with the town is 100% false, because not all Jews were banished in the diaspora, and there has been a constant Jewish settlement in the area since the Roman empire. In fact, if you look right before the whole controversy started (under British rule), you'll see the number of Jews and Arabs was almost identical (around 40-60 in favor of Arabs). Moreover, these Arabs you try to present as ``natives" *immigrated* to Palestine, most of them in the 20th century. Yes, you heard right -- these people who ``were there before the Jews" were there for 10 or 20 years, immigrating from the neighbouring Arab areas (mostly Jordan) in the last days of the Ottoman empire. Lastly, Arabs have been massacring Jews in the area for centuries. Long, long, long before the division plan, long before 1948, long before any exchange of territories (whether by the UN or through war), Arabs have been committing pogroms and murdering Jews, not for land, but for their ideology. Your description of Jews ``massacring any who try to resist" belongs with claims like ``the English butchered the peaceful Nazis for no reason" or ``the evil Americans erected the twin towers of the World Trade Center so it would collide with innocent Islamist pilots and viciously murder poor Bin Laden's friends".

[@erezsolomon3838]

You surely got educated at a community college, because you don't know a damn about the conflict

[@anirudhdwivedi6673]

Wow. Any rational person would think like this. If only majority of the humans were like this.

[@Sasq420]

That's great and all but I wouldn't be able to memorize the vast number of nuances this man danced with every day. Nor would I or many others have the time and resources to even attempt such a feat. There's a reason to admire people like this, because they are in fact special.

[@iandaniel2153]

@@Sasq420 .... truely well said he is deeply missed.

[@glennhall8665]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@billwhite9703]

Thank you for seeing this. Christopher Hitchens is no fool, but there is generally nothing remarkably insightful in what he says. He simply and concisely says what is obvious and logical. Anyone taking the time to familiarise themselves with the Israeli situation can see and articulate this.

[@iandaniel2153]

@@billwhite9703 ... perhaps you mean to use past tense as CH died in 2011 other content spot on.

[@intelligentpeople6533]

Still relevant now and he will be relevant for a long time to come. A man ahead of his times. CH the man the legend.

[@Zodroo_Tint]

You are really good at parroting words you heard.

[@intelligentpeople6533]

@@Zodroo_Tint we all are from birth onwards.😉

[@zachdave2994]

@@intelligentpeople6533This clip doesn’t take in the full context. That Hitchens would have likely still despised Hamas. He also openly criticized all Muslim nations for their archaic laws, which would certainly include Palestine should it accept any peace offered to them in the past 100 years. 70% isn’t enough, 80%? Still not enough. All the Palestinians want is everything from the river to the sea. To be an Pan-arab state including Jordan, Syria, Israel, Arabia, Yemen, Qatar, and Oman would be even better.

[@christopherthorpe6749]

Chris Hitchens would, ironically, find your obsequiousness to be utterly nauseating. As do I.

[@intelligentpeople6533]

@@christopherthorpe6749 you have no idea what a dead man would think for obvious reasons. Your stupidity knows no bounds. Obsequious , I bet you have been waiting a while to crack that one out .

[@pellelidell007]

I so miss Christopher, his intellect, rationality and insights.

[@jimmymac4778]

We all miss him so much

[@ILoveLuhaidan]

“His intellect” getting refuted by atheists left and right

[@davidbosquette2940]

Spot on. This guy is missed👌

[@jedward5155]

Hitch was so tired, the bags under his eyes had their own bags.

[@kristoffersevillena7657]

If you win a war, you have a right to keep your enemy's land, especially if they started the war. Ask Germany.

[@bobbojones8157]

Before I played this I knew you’d come up with the perfect most logical answer mr Hitchens , long time back though.

[@marcusonesimus3400]

'Hitch' was an arrogant jerk, full of himself as atheists typically are. They tend to misidentify their own unbridled sentiment as Reason and Logic. I do hope that this man, weakened by illness, he discovered the humility that leads to repentance. But it is unwise to leave such issues unresolved when Death could overtake us at any time.

[@jedmiller3015]

​@@marcusonesimus3400Calling Hitchens "arrogant" and then proceeding to act like the most patronizing douchebag is what I would consider comical irony. Your comment is off topic. It's been over a decade since he's passed away, and he's still living rent free inside your head.

[@mobilegamereviewer.1936]

​@@marcusonesimus3400the only one full of themselves here is you. So maybe humility is something you're lacking, along with that evidence for the magic man.

[@christopherpardell4418]

⁠@@marcusonesimus3400 He has nothing for which to repent. And calling reason and logic sentiment simply reveals you have no understanding of all three. That’s okay, there is nothing anyone can do to dissuade you from believing in magical forever, since reason and logic are borne of evidence, the very thing your beliefs entirely lack. And No, Hitch did not find faith in his final hours, he went out nobly without being the kind of arrogant jerk who thinks some celestial being pays attention to him and will reward him with eternal life. The ultimate arrogance is imagining a creator of all time and space in a universe with quadrillions of stars and trillions of galaxies is even remotely concerned with YOU.

[@SmashPhysical]

He's right of course. His brilliance is missed.

[@debeuleneareko6157]

Even today he would have spoken out, the respect we have for Christopher quickly dwindles when we see what we have allowed to happen in Europe.

[@mike.thomas]

I miss this man.

[@alex-7578]

I'm afraid this information is a bit dated. Christopher later in life praises the first president Bush for forcing a peace conference upon Israel-Palestine, the result of this was the Oslo Accord through which both countries declared the borders of their own states, agreeing on the current borders. Should Oslo have been followed by either side or internationally enforced, this would be a much better world

[@SM-fk5or]

Oslo Accords could very well have kept peace, unfortunately Israel continued to occupy more Palestinian land and create more settlements

[@ltmund]

​@@SM-fk5orand Palestinians continued to attack Israel. Don't forget that

[@SM-fk5or]

@@ltmund you mean after Israel kept annexing more land and building more illegal settlements?

[@peterwright5311]

I hate to be a pedant, but if you stated that seven days ago, then you must understand that the border Israel claimed seven days ago are not the same as those outlined at Oslo.

[@samakun6461]

@@ltmundand they have every right to do so. Don't forget that

[@laserprawn]

Israel's boundaries are wherever the IDF manages to "defend" itself.

[@user-nx6qr1mt6f]

No county has a “right to exist”. Countries can exist if they don’t steal land and resources from neighboring countries , but Israel doesn’t follow this requirement

[@hermitthefrog8951]

Israel's lack of regard for it's own irresponsibly undefined borders (strategically so, no doubt...) should very likely invalidate it's right to exist. Unless Israel can conduct itself in accordance with established international norms including the rights and sovereignty of it's Palestinian neighbors, rather than than (ironically) emulating 1930s Germany as it's doing now, it should not enjoy international recognition if ITS sovereignty.

[@JohnBaiger]

Meanwhile muslims should stop murdering people across the world for their violent disgusting excuse for a religion

[@davidmc8475]

Palestinian leaders has declared its borders to include all of Israel and have rejected every 2 state solution proposed. At the time of the video Israel had not proposed borders because the Palestinians were not interested in negotiations. In 2008 Israel did propose borders which was rejected. *1947 UN Partition Plan:* The UN proposed the establishment of 2-states, Jewish and Arab. The plan was accepted by the Jews but rejected by the Palestinians. *1993-1994 Oslo Accords:* They were suppose to be the beginning of a peace process. Israel agreed to recognize the Palestinian right to self-governance in Gaza and West Bank in return for Palestinians recognizing Israel's sovereignty. Soon after initiation of the process Palestinians began attacking Israel with suicide bombers. *2000 Israel Offers Peace Deal:* Israel offered another peace deal but was rejected outright by Yasser Arafat. No alternative peace deal was presented by the PLO, instead they initiated terror attacks on Israel leading to 1,184 Israeli deaths. *2005 Israelis evacuate Gaza and the West Bank:* Israel evacuates Gaza and the West Bank, essentially giving land back to the Palestinians in an effort to establish peace. Gaza elects Hamas a known terrorist group who continues to attack Israel. Hamas who governs Gaza, nor Fatah who governs the West Bank have not allowed elections since 2006. *2008 Peace Proposal:* Israel offers another peace deal which is rejected by Mahmoud Abbas. Palestinians were not satisfied with land boundaries because they would not allow them to control Jerusalem's holy sites. *2009 Israel Offers Support for a Palestinian State:* Israel offers conditional support for a demilitarized Palestinian state, which was quickly rejected by the Palestinians. *2020 Trump Peace Plan:* Supported by Netanyahu the plan "Peace to Prosperity" Was a plan to improve the lives of Palestinians and Israeli's as it focused economic activity to repair the Palestinian economy. Palestinians rejected the deal without even seeing it. “We didn't take a foreign land and we didn’t exist on the spoils of other nations, but on the lands of our fathers that through the years was illegally seized by our enemies. We, when we had the opportunity, restored our birthright.” _- Simon Maccabeus (135 AD)_ Simon Maccabeus led a Jewish army to defeat of the Seleucid Empire (Greek). This was prior to the migration of Arabs into Israel from Egypt, Jordan and the surrounding Arab countries in the 7th century AD.

[@hermitthefrog8951]

@@davidmc8475 - the UN doesn't have the authority to grant (stolen) property to a people for the creation of a new country against the wishes of the to-be displaced people on that property. This is pure colonialism with a veneer of "international legality" and it seems we have learned nothing from the ugly history of past colonialism, which has happened all over the world... basically a tribal slug-fest where the victorious, who also write the history, generally invoke some vague moral authority to do so or simply believe that "might makes right" - ie: superior organization, weaponry, and tactics. - Why should the Palestinians allow themselves to be bullied off of the land they were living on in 1946? - Regardless, there is ZERO legal, moral, or ethical justification for the obliteration of all of Gaza and the deaths of countless (25k+ and growing) innocent HUMANS (100% same DNA as Israelis), who ALSO have God--given HUMAN rights, the majority of whom are WOMEN and CHILDREN (do the math... subtract adult men and you still have more than 50% of the population). ZERO. - Israel has lost all credibility and moral standing and I applaud the ICJ's opinion on the matter of genocide.

[@hermitthefrog8951]

@@davidmc8475 - Holocaust Survivor Absolutely DEMOLISHES Israel kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4fQdKqee9BphsU

[@BubblesPothowari]

Basic questions (1) Why Hamas exists? (2) Why youth willingly join Hamas to resist & retaliate? (3) Dont the occupied have a Right to Retaliate? (4). Right to Defend : Is it applicable to the occupier in occupied territories?

[@pandora8478]

👏👏👏 Exactly the questions I’d ask.

[@glennsimonsen8421]

More basic questions: 5. Why don't neighboring Arab countries accept Palestinian refugees, and particularly in the midst of wartime? 6. Is it advantageous for Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Iran and other Arab countries that the war continues without a solution?

[@user-rv2zj8zu5b]

CH does have a knack for cutting through the chaff to get to the root of the matter newfound respect for the guy.

[@inthecouchproductions8103]

The West Bank wasn’t illegally seized or annexed. It was occupied as part of a war and then the country that lost it refused to retake ownership of it because Jordan doesn’t want to deal with Palestinians either. Hitchens loved to talk but never really said anything new, interesting, or helpful.

[@addounsamiyoucef1999]

Jordan refused to deal with the jews actually same as egypt so they use the Palestinians as a sort of buffer if you look at Israel's other border you'll find them to be just as if not more dangerous

[@yajeel]

Uh…. I’m pretty sure Israel was OK with the original borders drawn up before the 6 day war, after which the surrounding Arab nation suddenly demanded backsies…. This seems either uninformed or disingenuous. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@anthonymorris5084]

Agreed. Same with 1948. When your enemies keep invading and have a propensity to lose, it seems rather dangerous to keep handing back the land.

[@sholoy480]

When a nation attacks another nation it loses its own rights because it's violated the rights of another. Never in history has a nation lost territory in a war it started and made demands afterwards to have that territory returned.

[@davehshs651]

*BEFORE the Six Days War, Israelis in their original borders kicked Arabs out of their homes and STOLE those homes.*

[@ericwaller9998]

Nation? It? Started? Rights? Israel was founded on terrorism (Irgun, Haganah, Lehi). I guess Israel should have lost its rights 75 years ago.

[@Baratheon.]

That applies to humans, not Nation States. States do what they can get away with.

[@brucetucker4847]

Are you joking? Half the wars in history were countries trying to recover territory they lost earlier, and half the time they lost it in wars of aggression. Ever hear of Alsace-Lorraine? France started a war with Prussia (Germany) in 1870 and lost it, then Germany started a war with France in 1914 and lost it, then Germany started another war against most of Europe in 1939 and tried to get it back. And then let's talk about the Balkan Wars, the Russian-Polish conflicts, shall I go on?

[@sholoy480]

@@brucetucker4847 Maybe I should rephrase "Never in history has a nation lost territory in a war it started and after having been soundly defeated in the war they started, they maintain the expectation for the return of said territory. It's laughable. On what basis should the conquerer cede territory to the aggressing nation. I suppose the defeated aggressor could regather themselves and try again at a later time and that's in fact what the Arabs did in 1974 after the losses of the 1967 war but this time again they lost the war. I think it's pretty clear they don't possess the might to take it back by force which is why they stopped trying. So it's a moral expectation then. In the history of the world never was it suggested that a nation after having been attacked multiple times and securing territories from the aggressor that that nation has a moral duty to return those territories to the aggressor.

[@Frisbieinstein]

No country has a right to exist. They occupy territory then defend it by force of arms. Lately I have not heard this phrase. It's all "Israel's right to defend itself."

[@let_me_explain8572]

With what forces most countries occupy their territory? You know that countries like Belgium stand no chance at all in a potential conflict between them and their neighbors? As humans we agreed to respect the rule of international law, that's what allows for peaceful existence of small nations. Israel, on the other hand, is breaking that law, because it occupies significantly larger territory compared to what it initially agreed upon.

[@Frisbieinstein]

@@let_me_explain8572 Belgium exists because it is between two powers each determined to deny Belgium to its rival. Thailand was never colonized because it was between the British and French empires, same thing. Israel negotiates in bad faith, not respecting its agreements. It is censured by the entire remaining world except the USA, which under the control of Big Money.

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

@@let_me_explain8572international law is just words on paper that anybody can freely ignore if they can get away with and nobody forces them to obey it. The israeli settlements in the west bank violate international law but they keep happening because nobody is willing and capable of stopping them

[@lizd2943]

Countries don't have a "right" to exist. They exist if they have the power to exist.

[@CarmenVeranda]

Or if they have paid the USA for that power, that works as well.

[@creoken8772]

@@CarmenVeranda or if they have blackmailed the US for that power

[@CarmenVeranda]

@@creoken8772 When and how did Israel (I assume you mean Israel) "blackmail" the USA? Or do you mean moral blackmail as in "give us a country to make up for the Holocaust"?

[@creoken8772]

@@CarmenVeranda the Holocaust industry works more efficiently in europe. in the US there is more than that.. read a little

[@scottytc]

November 7, 1983

[@Mikebloke]

Thank you!

[@sail2byzantium]

Thanks! I figured the CSPAN broadcast was of the early 80s, but the broadcast date helps: Hitch @ 34 years old.

[@mortygoldmacher]

Its hard to assess his answer without knowing the date. Jordan ceded sovereignty over the west bank in 1988. Until that date the Israeli government acknowledged that the land was occupied Jordanian territory. Hitchen's answer makes sense if it was after Jordan disclaimed the territory.

[@BoogieDownProduction]

Nope. With the West Bank, its still relevant

[@cisium1184]

Good point, and those cleaving tightly to this answer should remember that Hitchens freely changed his views when circumstances invited it. In all likelihood, his answer would be different today.

[@kylezo]

83.. The west Bank is still under military rule by the occupiers forces.

[@iandaniel2153]

Greater Israel has always been from the Nile to the Euphrates .... something they would never have made public at the time. The world had to wait for Oct 2023 to publicly hear that.

[@watermelonsalesman]

​@@scottytecateWhat do the two blue stripes on the Israel flag represent?

[@scottytecate]

@@watermelonsalesman Yasser Arafat told Playboy magazine that they represented those rivers. According to other sources, the blue and white pattern is meant to invoke the tallit (Jewish prayer shawl), traditionally blue and white.

[@watermelonsalesman]

@@scottytecate It's a makes perfect sense, since that what the torah defines as the promised land.

[@jamestiburon443]

A moment in the shining sun, are we all.

[@HeronCalaris]

Bravo!

[@OCD-GUY]

And a lot of diarrhoea

[@dongilchrist7385]

Bang on, Hitch!

[@erbderbs]

Palestine has always been the real test for any philosopher, Christopher Hitchens was one of the only to pass that test

[@DieFlabbergast]

"... one of the only ..." What? A word or two missing from this, I think.

[@OCD-GUY]

Neo 🤷‍♂️

[@zekinumanoglu3152]

‘Palestine’ has no right exist.

[@stinger4712]

Chris the soothsayer.... Happening exactly as he said.

[@radar0412]

Actually that was the narrative of the day back then. At least it was for those who WEREN'T in elected office, or the lamestream Media.

[@purdysanchez]

Hitchens got it right. Now it's 1984.

[@alexhartman21]

We need him back

[@stevecarter8810]

He would be a bit smelly

[@WJ_McGurk]

Israel made that very clear. Hitchens knew that. He always let his personal feelings get in the wat

[@edwardburroughs1489]

What year was this filmed. I guess the putative Palestinian state has been rejected in favour of war by the PLO since then?

[@patekswiss9521]

This is the essence of Christopher Hitchens and the British wag tradition he carried on - always give an elegantly packaged, pithy answer - whether it's the truth or not.

[@InceyWincey]

He looked a lot more like Peter when he was younger.

[@gerrypolne5671]

Israel can declare it's views of its borders when the Palestinians declare their views on the acceptance of Israel's right to exist, and includes the majority of Palestinians. Until then your words are no more than Kalam Fadi which is Arabic for empty words.

[@creoken8772]

Israel has no right to exist in the first place. it's a western colonial project based on an old story about a super-human entity given realestate so some bedouin in the middle east. for some reason this bedouin descendent are white, blods Polish now

[@orc_gunslinger]

The problem for Israel is they have no strategic depth, and they view every war as an existential war. Unless Israel's security is guaranteed by neighboring states, they will keep expanding their borders because from a strategic perspective it is an obvious win. While there is still Hezbollah and Hamas on the borders, we will see a militant Israel. Just as people say "Hamas are forced to be extremists/terrorists because of Israeli aggression" (paraphrasing), you can also say Israelis are forced to be extremist because of Arab aggression. The intifadas of the 90's pushed Israel towards an even more extremist militant stance, and allowed right wingers like Netanyahu to come to power. My point is that there needs to be concessions on all sides for there to be peace, and trust needs to be built between peoples. The problem is that there is no benefit for the people in power to have peace. They stay in power because people are afraid, and they want strongman militant leaders. So yea, that's why I have stopped caring about the whole thing to be honest, I don't see a path to peace in the near future.

[@kendallandrews8691]

Israeli militancy leads to more enemies and support for those enemies. Their militant actions are a huge loss to peace and their own stability

[@scottytecate]

That doesn't seem entirely fair. Hamas has launched rockets nearly non-stop since 2005. Iran funds Hizbollah on their northern border despite Israel posing no threat to Lebanon (aside from when they retaliate for rocket attacks by Hizbollah or kidnappings of their soldiers)@@kendallandrews8691

[@cisium1184]

@@kendallandrews8691 Just as Hamas's refusal to acknowledge Israel's right to exist in some form or other is a huge loss to peace and to any stability for Palestine and Gaza.

[@kendallandrews8691]

@@cisium1184 Hamas would have little support if Israel would quit terrorizing and killing Palestinians. Hamas wasn't created out of nothing.

[@fighthighlights2201]

​@@kendallandrews8691That's only the leftist rethoric but don't stop reading, I'll explain why: Every 1st world country gives free access to Israelis but no country on the planet welcomes palestinian refugees. Not even 1 single muslim country. Now you see what kind of support that rethoric gets?

[@viennapalace]

Interesting place to end the video. It's almost as if his full answer wasn't going to suit your message...

[@ptv8113]

And of course you can see into the future....and know what he was going to say? Very impressive.

[@viennapalace]

@@ptv8113 If you're asking if I've seen the full interview, yes, I have.

[@ptv8113]

@@viennapalace where is that available?

[@viennapalace]

@@ptv8113 I saw it on television many years ago but I'm sure it will be on the internet somewhere.

[@ptv8113]

@@viennapalace you have quite the memory. What is it he said that contradicts the clip?

[@PaulBCohen]

Wrong, Christopher. Israel was not illegally occupying Judea/Samaria. But right they should formally annex it and be done with the ambiguity of winning wars and having to constantly fight the same wars again in different forms because they are being attacked on the border of their country and rightly won territory.

[@Getoffmycloud53]

This right to exist should be reevaluated. As an international community we did NOT accept the right of South Africa to continue to exist as a racist Apartheid state. That same stance can be applied today. YES, Israel has a right to exist, but only as a multiethnic state, with equal rights for all its citizens, recognizing the right of return of all refugees and their compensation for or return of lost property. Anyone who defends the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish State, is in principle a racist and should be identified as such.

[@TheSupaman98]

Israel is literally a multi ethnic state! Over a quarter of the people who live there are NOT even Jewish! It has over 20% percent Arabs! Why do you people never get your facts right?! Anyone who thinks that a Jewish state shouldn’t exist due to the ridiculous reasons you have mentioned, is a racist and should be called out as such. Also, let me ask you this: Are arab countries multiethnic? Do they even allow Jews? No? Then why are they allowed to exist?

[@redman1249]

Israel treats it's minorities better than it's neighbours, you can say something about the West Bank. Like Syrian & Iraqi treatment of the Kurds, the Al akhdam in Yemen, Nubians in Egypt, the Avzahi Arabs in Iran. The Syrian Arab Republic is racist as Syria is not an Arab country - the Kurds & Turkmen were denied their linguistic rights.

[@surfertango]

IMHO I think you should post the complete comment. Missing the last part of his answer. Miss The Hitch

[@user-ox6hj6bm3t]

Who did Israel annexe the West Bank From? Jordan’s occupation was never recognised Internationally. No sovereign state laid claim to the West Bank so it remains contested not occupied. It is co administered by Israel and the PLO

[@theschwartzawakens9021]

Well, now we know it’s all of it.

[@Gredddfe]

Caller: Do you support Israel's right to exist? CH: Define "Israel"

[@davidwell686]

Actually, the "West Bank" was captured in the 1967 war. Prior to that Jordan had it. But like in all wars, winners decide borders in many cases and has we have seen for the last 60 years since Israel won the "West Bank" it was better for Israel to expand their borders and take over that land. Jordan was warned not to attack Israel in 1967 and ignored that warning and lost.

[@mrtee3988]

Was that before or after the attack against the USS Liberty?

[@conors4430]

Yes, and under international law, you cannot keep land you attained by war. Which is a stipulation that existed several decades before 1967. Israel doesn’t want peace, because then it wouldn’t have a justification for what it is doing to the Palestinians.

[@mustaphamaouhoub7680]

winners, there is something called international law f&*cking savage

[@draoi99]

Many countries around the world have disputed borders. It's a bit disingenuous to single out Israel as the only country in this position.

[@creoken8772]

Israel is the single entity in this position because it wants the entire region from Euphrates to the Nile... the world is not able to accept that so they keep the story loose, just listen to their media in Hebrew or their check their maps ... they are a colonial project. don't be fool

[@ilanklinger2573]

How that guy could be so ignoramus till the point he did not know Israel has never annexed Judea and Samaria? Intriguing - Hitchens had right to exist and is dead - Israel will exist forever.

[@Proton47]

Nothing lasts forever hunny ... But truth and justice will always have the last word

[@ilanklinger2573]

@@Proton47 Do you want truth and justice,"hunny"? Read 1920 "San Remo Conference" and 1923 "Lausanne and Sevres Treaty".All the justice and truth is there.

[@Proton47]

@@ilanklinger2573 man ain't nobody got time for that all I know is Israel will exist as long as it stops annihilating kids

[@erikk8629]

Today he would say Palestine has the right to exist.

[@spanishflea634]

He did say that. He said it in this clip.

[@erikk8629]

@spanishflea634 no, I was being sarcastic. He was wrong in all his assertions.

[@feonor26]

@@erikk8629 What was he wrong about?

[@user-vd1wc4eb6x]

Palestine always exists, whereas Israel, lol.

[@feonor26]

@@erikk8629 He actually said that too in the clip if you listen carefully.

[@Lupinicus1664]

One can only imagine what Hitchens' views of the current situation in Gaza might have been.

[@lashlarue7924]

Israel can't ever afford to let go of either Golan Heights of the West Bank. Both areas are too strategically important from a military perspective. Anyone who occupies the West Bank would be able to lay waste to Tel Aviv and quickly cut the country in two with a drive to the sea. So anyone who thinks that Israel will simply go away or give up control over Judea and Samaria is a sophomoric dullard.

[@euphegenia]

I miss him so much

[@marcusonesimus3400]

Get over it. Unlike Jesus, he did not rise on the third day, nor is he coming back as Jesus will.Indeed we should not anticipate enduring peace in the Middle East until Jesus returns. If your hero didn't repent at the last moment, he is regretting what he stood for and cannot rurn back. I do hope that he repented, though I have seen or heard no evidence which suggests that. It says that God does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked; neither should we. I hope that you will not follow in your hero's footsteos, but take more care with regard to your own salvation and have a blessed life. There is enough evidence to trust in Christ, if one is not determined 9jnadvance to kick up dust. All the best.

[@feonor26]

@@marcusonesimus3400 You made me facepalm so hard I almost gave myself a concussion.

[@renzo6490]

When was this interview filmed??

[@kylezo]

November 83

[@renzo6490]

@@kylezo thank you very much.

[@ivanfaught9997]

@@kylezo where are the answers to the other questions?

[@sukhvii]

​@@ivanfaught9997 the full 1-hr interview is available on a different channel.

[@ivanfaught9997]

@@sukhvii I would appreciate if you could share the link or lead me to it.

[@sds9781]

Palestine's also have the right to exsist and not to be occupied by an apartheid regime.

[@121slayer]

We have come full circle now in regards to Israel and the Palestinians being forced in a concentration camp called the West Bank.

[@user-ru5qh8xn4v]

In 1921,the jews and the arabs agreed on a state for the jews in the territory that is now Israel included the west bank, and the arab would receive a large arab state called big syria. they all agreed until the arabs learned of the seis pico agreement in which syria was given to france, and since then the arabs who lived in palestina began to develop a new identity separate from the Syrians and jordanian. When britain received the mandate for palestina, palestina included jordan. Britain divided palestina in two and gave the eastern part to the Hashemite family from Saudi arabia. Most of the residents of jordan are palestinian, and there is bedouins minority.

[@vertugallery7099]

The problem with CH is that he sounded wonderful even when he was wrong

[@ThomasMaldonadoJr]

Totally agree. Wish there was more to this clip, but from just what we can see he was already spouting ideology with the misnomers 'occupation' and 'colonization'. I'm sure his tune would've changed for the better had he lived to see October 7th and I believe he and Edward Said would have become full blown enemies over the whole conflict if they weren't already by the time of Said's demise. Still a great clip to marinate on.

[@creoken8772]

@@ThomasMaldonadoJr Oct 7 was just a normal day .. Israel killed more of its citizens than Hamas did.. if they dare let them open it for an investigation instead of playing the victim card. the world can see now.

[@OmarMohamed-ed7kz]

As George Galloway famously once said: hitchens (God have mercy on him) is the first example of a reverse metamorphosis from a beautiful butterfly into a slug!

[@renevalice3056]

Incredible response. the ancestral land of the Jews, who endured near eastern empires, Romans, and Muslim expansion should be defined and settled with dignity and security. The historic expulsion of the jews and generation of the state of Israel needs academic scrutiny, just as Hitchens performed.

[@Kuko1256]

The question is not whether Israel should exist? But the question is whether dispossessed Palestinians have their land back? Stealing other peoples land and property and holding on to it illegally can not be right. Branding rightful owners wanting their land back as terrorist, Israel wants to steal more land illegally.

[@sacred1827]

We know where they think their boundaries should be. Nowhere.

[@OCD-GUY]

Stupid because we are constantly being attacked by the government trying to put our hard-earned money in their own pockets.

[@ephilippos]

Spoke to an Israeli sometime after Oct 2023 & he mentioned the word “extermination of those people” & by that he didnt mean only Hamas….I barely memtioned that no one could humanly do that & as a nation that suffered by holocaust you shouldnt wish it on anybody else….political must be the solution but there must be willpower to do so….

[@erezsolomon3838]

​@@ephilippos A lot of Israelis have already given up, seeing the failure of the many previous attempts at peace with their Arab neighbors. Others still strive for peace, yet know that peace will not come as long as the other side remains uncooperative. The will of the Arabs is just not present

[@merlebuck]

Can someone fill me in on what Hitchens was thinking he was trying to be "pinned down on"? The clip is cut to where his only direct response is to the first point raised by the caller. I'm curious about the context for the other two points.

[@kylezo]

It's just a sort of a bad faith argument using Zionist talking points of the time regarding Israel's "national" security and whether counter measures for Israeli aggressions were on solid moral standing. Basically like if today someone said "DON'T YOU THINK THE HOUTHIS ARE THE REAL BAD GUYS?" because of their blockade intended to slow the atrocity.

[@johncane4507]

No country has a right to exist. What they have is a right to be acknowledged

[@dannycaplan6614]

In the real world, winners win and losers lose. And Arab countries that attack Israel five times and lose to Israel five times, they lose good! If Jordan did not wish to lose that land, it should not have attacked.

[@ralphbernhard1757]

Wars of conquest have been illegal since 1928.

[@polarbear4612]

I love Hitchens but there are some errors here. Israel showed up to every attempt to negotiate borders but the Arabs never did. Not once. How does anyone expect Israel to unilaterally decide where the borders go in a two state solution?? Also, as to illegally occupying Gaza and the West Bank, those territories were taken in a war started by Arab aggression. That often happens when you attack your neighbors. Germany lost allot of land to Poland at the end of WWII and many Germans were forced to move.. They never got that land back and no one anywhere is demanding that they return it to Germany.

[@philipmulligan4325]

Nicely put.

[@boop8621]

The ivy league presidents shouldve watched this clip in preparation for their congressional hearing.

[@auntiesemite9295]

He became a HYPOCRITE at the end, what a way to go.

[@feonor26]

Let me guess, you're thinking about the war in Iraq?

[@auntiesemite9295]

@@feonor26 He met the Angel of Allah as an Islaamophobe, zionist and warmonger. He F'd around and found out.

[@TheyCallMeGlitchDash]

The right to exist does not include a free machine gun.

[@jfalk35]

Sorry Chris. Israel's boundaries are well defined even with PA. However, the Palestinians have claims to more land that can only be addressed in a land for peace deal. So far, the Palestinians have rejected all land for peace to date. Now the Palestinians support Hamas, which does not recognize any Jewish state or even Jews living in Palestine. Put the blame on the correct party.

[@williamjarrell8475]

From his looks I'm guessing this was before Hamas became a major player.

[@jfalk35]

@@williamjarrell8475 Israel and the West ignored Hamas. That was a huge mistake. A bunch of hoodlums, right? Not so. A billion dollar enterprise with 300 mi of tunnels, unlimited mobile missiles and launchers, and a charter that decrees a death sentence for every Jew. And they succeeded in murdering 1200+ most at a kid's festival. HAMAS can't be ignored any more.

[@jcou6541]

Hitchens is great, but his historical analysis is misplaced here. The greater Arab population within and outside the british mandate of palestine have continuously called for israel's destruction. This holds true even before there were isreali settlements in WB following 1967. One should see benny morris's take on hitchens in this regards.

[@PlayNiceFolks]

Yeah...wow... Islamic Arabs and Jews... don't get along....OH MY GOSH, WOW! I WISH THEY HAD KNOWN THIS BEFORE PUTTING A BUNCH OF JEWS IN A SMALL AREA SURROUNDED BY LEGIONS OF ARABIC MUSLIMS! If only the international Allies had been aware of this NEW fact that has just come to light.

[@PlayNiceFolks]

You should realize, the more you demonize the Palestinian people, the more you make the case that no Jew should be anywhere near that part of the world. SORRY JEWS, you haven't owned that land since before the Romans forced you to stop sacrificing innocent young animals to your evil evil EVIL God.

[@jcou6541]

@PlayNiceFolks yes since islam is the relgion of peace. And arabs have been liberal and an open minded people. Let's deny the fact that there is a strong Jewish claim to the land. One must not be well researched on the conflict. Do you say the same of southern Spain? India? Europe?

[@creoken8772]

@@jcou6541 A strong jewish claim based on an old story in an old book that European white Jews believe they are descendent from that books writers and for some reason they turned into blonds with freckles and colored eyes when they moved from the middle east. and about the religion of peace... did you read how peaceful the god of the jews was?

[@jcou6541]

@creoken8772 ignorance of history and understanding of the situation at hand. Zionists who created israel were secular socialists. Their leaders were pretty much athiests, "God" is not even mentioned in the declaration of independence. Those "blonds" have been shown to have 50% of their DNA originating from middle east. And israel is "so European" to the extent that 50% of its today's population are Mizrahi or Mizrahi related. "Old story" of jews originating from that land is supported by archeology.

[@fubaralakbar6800]

Illegally occupied? Bullshit. They conquered the West Bank in a war they didn't even start. If you don't want to lose territory, then don't start a war. It's that simple.

[@creoken8772]

They started all the wars.. don't be a sheeple learn history in detail

[@0d1n253]

Wow what a blast from the past. Hitch setting the standard for classical literacy.

[@effinut00bsux]

I wonder if this man would enjoy today’s London 🤔

[@MrReasonabubble]

Couldn't say if he would or not - but I do, as do the vast majority of the other Londoners I know.

[@effinut00bsux]

@@MrReasonabubble before the sun goes down or after?

[@bonjovi1612]

Most countries in history have determined their borders after conflict and conquest. If we insist on using the indigenous people argument then we know that North America, Australia and New Zealand and others including my own birthplace Northern Ireland should be handed back. I personally accept the conquest solution.

[@xyaeiounn]

I need some detail on this 'conquest solution'. Does it allow for those in the process of being conquered to kill and see off those attempting to conquer? Does it expect interminable guerilla war or armed insurgency in 'conquered' territories? I'm not strictly applying this to the Israel-Palestine situation, just wondering how any of us might act when some powerful entity decides to step in and take everything, calling it a 'conquest solution'. It sure does sound like lawless barbarism.

[@burntre1]

@@xyaeiounnof course it does, always has and always will. Yes, fighting wars is usually barbaric.

[@henrylyons6856]

So if China invaded your country and won you’d be fine with that?

[@OCD-GUY]

Israel is the worst country ever

[@magal55]

The big problem is that pre 1967 Israeli borders are impossible to defend when there was sudden attack, as we saw in 1973 and last October. And just to get in proportions, we are talking about tiny peace of land anyway.

[@cobraTate21921]

Ukraine is big country, they should give Jews a land to settle

[@magal55]

@@cobraTate21921 You re 76 years late. Jews already have a country.

[@manbearpig7521]

So cute 😂😂😂😂 he was 'an old man' when I was growing up.

[@LucicPower]

Is his brother any good. Have only seen a few videos

[@PlayNiceFolks]

He's like a bizarro mirror version of Hitch. He's religious and right wing, but he is also a unique thinker who doesn't always go along with whatever the current right wing orthodoxy is. He opposed the Iraq War, while Hitch (the socialist) supported the War. Fascinating blokes.

[@ceejay9627]

No he sucks! He also doesn't believe that addiction is a thing, or real

[@feonor26]

Peter doesn't hold a candle to Christopher unfortunately. He turned into religion as an adult, the story how he got convinced into religion is something of the most bizarre stories I've ever heard. He is very right wing and have some very bigoted views when it comes to drug addicts. Tho I do agree with him on a few issues, I mostly find him insufferable.

[@LucicPower]

@@feonor26 I believe most addiction is a form of culling the herd and no personal experience with others will move me from that objectivity

[@feonor26]

@@LucicPower Well I'd rather listen to the Medical Association on that topic

[@thomasjones9662]

Israel is doing itself no favors by acting as if those around them don't have the same right to exist.

[@Firstname_Surname]

Interesting take considering basically over a century long complete unwillingness from the Arabs to compromise and coexist with gradual improvement over the years such as Egypt and Jordan. Do tell why the Palestinians didn't accept Olmert's peace offer in 2008?

[@jessejojojohnson]

You don’t get it. Israel only attacks when said neighbors do same

[@harrybellingham98]

wow so simple

[@Christmas12]

It's a shame he was so wrong about the War in Iraq, he didn't live to see how that mistake turned out, I suspect he would have had to concede it was an error in judgement

[@HaycravingHorse]

What a handsome young lad

[@OCD-GUY]

He chose hell

[@HaycravingHorse]

@@OCD-GUY well nobody knows. You could be going to hell as well if god turns out to be a scientist and throws religious people into hell for being stupid.

[@feonor26]

@@OCD-GUY There is no heaven, there is no hell! Grow up!

[@loreedavis5988]

I would give anything to have a super brain like he had.

[@billwhite9703]

Christopher Hitchens is no fool, but there is generally nothing remarkably insightful in what he says. He simply and concisely says what is obvious and logical.

[@Kurtlane]

I kinda agree. I think Israel's borders should include Judea and Samaria in the East, and Gaza in the Southwest. As prescribed in the San Remo Resolution. There is bashfulness and fear in Israel that come straight out of the old Schtetl. Unfortunately. "Colonization," "Occupation of the territory of its neighbors." Notice he says "of its neighbors," not "of Palestine," as it would be said today. Pure nonsense. But he was young, he probably didn't know any better.

[@grafxgrl8030]

If Israel took its rightful region back, it would own hundreds of thousands of miles currently occupied by Jordan and I believe Egypt and probably Iran. Israel was their first.

[@haashemmalik6112]

no they weren't

[@grafxgrl8030]

@@haashemmalik6112 lol, yes, for centuries before this, they were. Long before Palestinians even existed. The truth hurts, doesn’t it?

[@haashemmalik6112]

yeh thats just not true at all lmao, ancient israelites were conquerors and even the israeli citizens are still not related to them@@grafxgrl8030

[@AbuTarek1986]

He was better. He turned hateful.

[@edwardj3070]

That is an amzingly prescient response. He seems to be implying that Israel never accepted the 1947 partition of the British mandate.

[@mortygoldmacher]

Israel did accept it. The Arab nations voted against it. I believe this must be after 1988 when Jordan relinquished sovereignty over the west bank. At that point the legal status of the land was unclear, as it remains today.

[@edwardj3070]

@@mortygoldmacher Jordan "relinquished" when Israel occupied in 1967. But Israel never accepted the 1947 partition and even if they had received only passive resistance from displaced Palestinians, they would have increased their provocations and outright terrorism against Palestinians to elicit a violent response in order to justify their own violent ethnic cleansing. . Israel never wanted peace. They wanted everything west of the river, as is shown by their present annexation of the West Bank. . at least now they don't pretend otherwise anymore. Nothing has changed in a century.

[@pikebishop8516]

​@@mortygoldmacher1967 come on you must know that, Jordan lost it in the 6 days war!!! Just like Egypt lost gaza and Syria, the golan heights. The United nations, the Arab league and Israel signed an armistice in 1949,giving a mandate to Egypt and Jordan to administrate gaza and the west bank respectively. Despite the suez crisis and the sinai annexation, it hold until the 6 days war in 1967. The kippour war obsession overlooked the history of the middle east.

[@mortygoldmacher]

@@pikebishop8516 I think you are confusing de facto and de jure matters. Both are important but they should not be mistaken, one for the other. It's like claiming that the UN is a legislative body rather than a diplomatic one.

[@mortygoldmacher]

@@pikebishop8516 League of Nations? The U.N. can't impose anything. It's a diplomatic body. It has no capacity, it provides a forum for nations to resolve international issues. Of course, those nations can act in concert to give effect to resolutions, but only through consesus, not compulsion.

[@kenlyneham4105]

Because CH was an atheist, I find his stance surprising. The ONLY reason Israel exists is because 3,300 years ago, the god the Israelis made up in the holy book they invented, told them they could have that land but, up until 1946, the population of the region they now call Israel, had only 5% jews, mostly living in harmony with Arabic speaking people there.

[@quantumfineartsandfossils2152]

1:21 he looks like an angel

[@dw5523]

Israel has sat down with the Palestinians and other Arab nations MANY times to settle the border dispute and establish firm territorial boundaries. They have always been willing to surrender land for peace. The Arabs and Palestinians always walk away because it’s not about land or borders but the destruction of Israel and her people. This is a very ideological answer from Hitchens, and highlights his implicit bias.

[@ToTheMaxGaming1]

Interesting that you say Palestine is only interested in wiping out Israelis when the exact opposite is happening right now

[@Hunpecked]

Israel traded land for peace with Egypt. So far the peace has held.

[@HamidKhalid369]

@@ToTheMaxGaming1 Yes and Hamas is to blame for all the casualties.

[@dw5523]

@@Hunpecked no it hasn’t. Egypt isn’t directly at war with Israel, anymore than Saudi Arabia is, but the Arab proxy in Gaza is doing their fighting for them. One of the reasons none of the Arab nations will accept Palestinians. The other is that they are wholly unruly and violent people who have been kicked out of every nation they’ve been in. Which is why Egypt built a wall at the Gaza border, and is reinforcing it.

[@ToTheMaxGaming1]

@@HamidKhalid369 you make it obvious that you haven’t learned much about this conflict, it has been going on long before Hamas existed, Hamas retaliated on October 7th, they didn’t start this conflict though, key word being ‘retaliated’, usually when you punish an entire nation, groups like Hamas will show up to fight back, Hamas wouldn’t be fighting if their country wasn’t oppressed

[@6ch6ris6]

no state has a "right to exist". human beings have the "right to exist".

[@flowerfield3468]

Define “rights”. Who and what creates them and how are they issued out?

[@armanGT800]

dammmn - that's deeply smart

[@evansclan4eva49]

He was a clever man. Truly missed.

[@Moonman63]

Actually Israel has said where it’s borders should be, about 4 times , with each proposal for a two state solution. The Palestinian’s have rejected each proposal….

[@SM-fk5or]

Palestinians have accepted the borders drawn before. Said Hammami and the PLO agreed to a two state solution in the mid 1970s, in 1988 the Palestinian leaders accepted it again with official recognition of Israel, and in 1993 they signed the Oslo Accords again agreeing to the two states and defined borders. In every case Israel continued to occupy Palestinian land and annex more land through Israeli settlements.

[@nickdryad]

@@SM-fk5or Yeah you said it, This is a real estate war.

[@fig1115]

as i have said before siting down to share a pie and one of the pie eaters tells you he wants all the pie but is willing to discuss your share of the pie while he eating all the pie . and the amazing thing is he keeps eating the pie while telling the word its your resistance to him eating all the pie is why he has to eat all the pie .

[@khrystree9233]

Well said, then he shoots you..with his mouth very full.

[@andym9571]

About 4 times ? When I was there I did a course on the Jewish diaspora at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. It was universally stated there that the Jewish homeland includes Judea and Samaria....that includes the West Bank

[@dopeydonaldtrump3744]

So why does Israel have a right to exist ?

[@Jesse-B]

It would help if the uploader was responsible enough to state which year this was recorded.

[@cityzens634]

Was this before or after he found out he was 1/64th Jewish? 🤣