Young Justice S4 E11 Origin of Dr Fate

[@joaovictor_of]

I love how you can hear Zatara reciting the prayer _first_ in Italian and then in English. Any bilingual can tell you that we always reserve our native language for praying and other forms of introspection (and also for cursing hahaha)

[@garybrown2039]

Obrigada irmão

[@derekrulez390527]

So true. My mom would only speak at home in our native language so we would have constant practice and not forget as kids.

[@angelmunoz4152]

Facts

[@kid.hudson_]

My ass thought I heard Spanish cause the grammar is so similar

[@ATEG8374]

Can confirm. It's especially true in the Latin family of nations (Spain, Portugal and all their former satellites)

[@JosephDutra]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard an actual prayer in an animated show before…

[@knightoflight8249]

Then you haven’t seen X Men 97 I assume. Where Wolverine finds his faith and prays in a Cathedral alone.

[@gogetathestrongestfusion]

We got two in one episode first time for me too

[@saptarshihoare2850]

Wolverine did it from the 90s

[@Seek1878]

Wolverine once prayed in the original X-Men series. You also see Nightcrawler reading a bible.

[@feralbigdog]

@@knightoflight8249 from the episode "nightcrawler" wasnt it? first he says " we're mutants, God gave up on us a long time ago"(which i have as a ring tone for an one of moms brothers who is a pastor, but i think not much of one) and at the end learned a lesson, something we all can do from time to time

[@vernonhampton5863]

Scenes like this and Superman explaining death to his infant sun are Weismen and company punching us right in the feelings. Man I love this show.

[@vernonhampton5863]

@Mullerornis okay, you and spellchecker got me, BUT All Star Superman did have him housing and feeding a baby sun eater.

[@stefandorobantu4420]

@@vernonhampton5863 haha, I actually thought about All Star Superman first as well

[@TeddTalivai]

Man to think hes been in the helmet 10 years but aged quite quickly is pretty sad.. but ngl, I was happy to see Zatara again, he was on of my fave DC characters.

[@dannyfenlon2476]

Stress can do a fucking lot

[@TeddTalivai]

@@dannyfenlon2476 tell me about it haha!!!🤣

[@nyxi7889]

He was no spring chicken when he got the helmet

[@mathieubordeleau150]

Because Nabu is leaching his life.

[@TeddTalivai]

@@mathieubordeleau150 yes i know that.

[@ericsander3620]

It's awesome seeing Zatara putting Nabu in his place by pointing out the truth that Nabu refused to acknowledge, that no one's ever accomplished anything without the help of friends and loved ones, especially not Doctor Fate. I hope this arc ends with Nabu finally releasing Zatara, and by extension, allowing his next host (most likely Khalid) free time to be themselves.

[@mathieubordeleau150]

I personally think Nabu is evil and far form a hero, How he basically enslave his host at all time, reduce their lifespan and essentially force someone to make his deal to help make him a selfish monster. If you consider the lords of chaos to be "Chaotic Evil", he is "Lawful Evil"

[@bgill6623]

@@mathieubordeleau150 order and chaos are forces that predate the concepts of good and evil. Order is not always good and chaos is not always evil because they are simply states of being. Nabu isn't evil, he simply lives by this concept. His only fault being that he has forgotten that he was once a man.

[@shadowclaw7210]

@@bgill6623 yeah it like forest ecosystem. Wolf keep rabbits in check so they don’t overpopulate forest.

[@bgill6623]

@@shadowclaw7210 or to a much larger scale, a sun begins to die and goes supernova. Wiping out a galaxy and several populated worlds, its just the way things are.

[@shadowclaw7210]

@@bgill6623 yeah that too.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

*Zatara:* _starts praying_ *Pale Man with Green Hood and Cape:* _takes notice_

[@deathstrokeclanrules8562]

You mean The Spectre?

[@DartLuke]

@@deathstrokeclanrules8562 Green Arrow )

[@deathstrokeclanrules8562]

@@DartLuke Green Arrow doesn't have a cape.

[@DartLuke]

@@deathstrokeclanrules8562 Green Arrow became Spector in arrowwerse

[@matheussandbakk9959]

@@DartLuke Yeah and only that. Arrowverse is most often than not taken as canon to any other DC media

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

That moment when you remember God is not only canon in the DC Universe but generally is the most powerful being period, even more than Lords of Order.

[@nInOwarrior0312]

I guess we could say that he is always in our *Presence*

[@15jinxed]

Honestly they don't use God enough for me to remember that he's freaking canon

[@KalebKing88]

Even The Spectre and The Phantom Stranger recognize that God is the most powerful being of all!

[@RTeWhaiti]

@@KalebKing88 yep and his only equal is his Grandaughter.

[@icyhot9851]

@@nInOwarrior0312 boooo

[@FloRence-gl8fx]

Hearing Zatara admit that it was his faith in God that kept him going all these years was so heartfelt and beautiful

[@Exl6243]

Except, for me as a Christian, this seemed somewhat disturbing. Consider the fact that the Bible specifically brings up sorcery as abominations. As stated in Deuteronomy 18: "10 There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering,[a] anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer 11 or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, 12 for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you." Magic throughout the Bible is often seen as evil. You can see this also when Saul is condemned by Samuel for disturbing his spirit using necromancy from the Witch of Endor. So for Zatara to bring up his faith while practicing magic doesn't seem right...

[@FloRence-gl8fx]

@@Exl6243 That's why it's important to separate fiction from reality. It's completely fine to enjoy stories involving witches, wizards and dark magic that also intertwine faith, such as Lord of the Rings and Percy Jackson, because they aren't trying to disprove the existence of God - they're building a world where Christian faith is an important part of certain characters' lives as they deal with magic. It's a touch of realism that doesn't take away from the fun of spells and mystic creatures :D

[@MrThegreatPharaoh]

@@Exl6243 even to take that at face value tho. Is it really inherently wrong for a sinner (such as a sorcerer) to have faith in god? Just because someone is a sinner doesn’t mean they are outside of gods grace. That’s kind of the same point brought up with Khalid in this episode with his mom criticizing him for using magic as a Muslim which is obviously a sin in that religion as well.

[@cardinalchaos2278]

@@MrThegreatPharaoh it is even the sinners who are called to God’s grace.

[@Exl6243]

​@@FloRence-gl8fx It's fair that this is fiction, so I can get that viewpoint. However, on the point that other works invoke magic and faith: works like Lord of the Rings and Percy Jackson don't specifically invoke Christianity. Rather, they invoke a separate world completely separate from Christianity. Lord of the Rings, specifically, invokes its own religion with its own beliefs and mythology as a tale that relates to Christianity. Young Justice's point, however, is a specific endorsement that you can be a Christian AND perform magic. Since this is a work of fiction, however, this is why I say that this is my personal viewpoint. If you don't see it as a little off, that's fine by me.

[@ztslovebird]

Kinda cracks me up that a running motif for this portion of the season is someone telling a story, and at the end of the episode we cut to who is hearing the story & the person they’ve been talking to is like “Yeah, I already knew all that. Why are you telling me?” Also, I just realized it’s in a sequence. Phantom Stranger tells a story to Vandal Savage, Vandal Savage tells a story to Dr Fate, Dr Fate tells a story to Zatara. Makes you wonder if the next episode will be either Old Zatara telling a story to Adult Zatanna once everything is said & done, or some sort of flashback of a younger Zatara telling a story to a younger Zatanna.

[@kmshana94]

This is only exclusive to this Arc honestly

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

As a Christian I love how they showed Zatara’s faith in God. Love the symbolism here.

[@rawyld]

Me too as a fellow disciple of Christ as well.

[@TheSimmr001]

not a disciple of christ myself (i have disagreements with his church) but i love the fact he is praying in two languages.

[@rawyld]

@@kp1x Exactly, they don't force you accept it and don't drown you in it.

[@stephenking5852]

@@kp1x Halo is not Muslim. Her former human self, Gabrielle, was a Muslim though. She just continues to wear the hijab.

[@FZresetYT]

@@kp1x yeah not like. Buzzlightyear they forced lgtb and the movie was a failure

[@furionmax7824]

What is honest to God interesting to me in this series is that Vandal Savage is the literal Father of Humanity. This guy has fathered so many children that every single earthling is related to him. Even if they only share at least 1 percent of his lineage. It doesn't change the fact Savage is related to them

[@JohnnyDominion]

Despite how long he is not every human being in modern time is a direct descendant if his. Even he can only spread his seed so much.

[@shadowicedevil]

@@JohnnyDominion yeah it's only every meta human and maybe a few others that are related to him

[@Extinctanimals22]

If the genetics works like it does in the real world everyone of human ancestry is descendant of Vandal Savage. Pretty much everyone of European ancestry is descended from Charlemagne who only lived 1200 years ago.

[@gw7911]

Well not every earthling

[@Extinctanimals22]

@Mullerornis Vandal Savage in Young Justice was born circa 48,000 years ago. Also in the modern day truly isolated groups genetically are incredibly rare. Not saying there aren’t isolated tribes in South America and Southeast Asia/New Guinea, but even they could be descendants of Vandal Savage on Earth-16.

[@charm3126]

I swear young justice ain't playing this season. What they did to klarion and his reaction truly potrays power (in character)

[@darkanglealover66223]

I loved this episode so much. It's very rare to see religion being displayed on television, nonetheless an animated TV show about superheros. I'm neither Christian nor Muslim, but I found it so beautiful that the writers depicted both religions with such respect and emphasized how important these identities were to their respected characters. I was dead silent whilst Zatana said his prayers and Khalid utilized the Jihad to balance himself. Those scenes were so powerful, intimate, and beautiful, I couldn't even speak whilst watching lol. The writing for this season thus far is spectacular, I hope they keep it up for the rest of the season!!

[@spider-man9118]

If I may, why aren’t you a Christian?

[@victorlarryesmenda2805]

​@@spider-man9118I'm gay 😅

[@spider-man9118]

@@victorlarryesmenda2805 you can be gay and be a Christian. It’s just the remaining celibate part, I think. That’s what I’ve read/heard. Extensive research is required Also, we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if you’re interested

[@vanillabatcave5677]

@@spider-man9118 Well that is the thing, there are those that are okay with becoming celibates in favor of their faith but there are others that would rather live their sexual and romantic interests fully which, if you are gay, cannot do in christianity if you were to remain true to your religion, it's the same thing really.

[@torno99]

That prayer Zatarra said, I used to recite that in church as a kid.

[@endamcnabola]

Me too.

[@jaidenhodges3321]

Kinda surprise so he and zatanna are catholic wizards is that allowed in that religion

[@samthompson5699]

I still do

[@deadpoolrockz6410]

This is ver common and known prayer for those who practice Catholicism and Christianity.

[@pawelm.1583]

This is the only one prayer, Jesus taught in The Holy Bible, so... yeah... accurate

[@The_Notorious_N.O.E.]

Black Widow: "I'd sit this one out, Cap" Cap America: "I don't see how I can" Black Widow: "These guys come from legend, they're basically gods" Cap America: "There's only one God ma'am and I'm pretty sure He doesn't dress like that" - AVENGERS movie

[@benfarrar741]

Love that quote.

[@Beerbottles123]

'One Above All' confirmed

[@pavloszimbrakos4410]

Wrong universe 😂

[@alexsolomon7991]

I also love Joss Whedon's comment on the DVD..."Some may be surprised I put that line in there, as I don't believe in God. But Steve Rogers does...so there you go."

[@patrikbengtsson3883]

There is a difference between a real god and a true god

[@kawaiisugarglider9171]

This is why I love the show. Seeing a person pray a prayer I've said many times before is really amazing since like, besides Nightcrawler, I don't know of many other Catholic fictional characters. Plus, I can only imagine how people of other religions and beliefs would feel to be represented through a show they love too!

[@mrdropkicker1]

Well, there is Daredevil, and I’m glad Netflix did a good job with him in their show, but you’re right

[@horion7271]

but... but the show is in a supernatural world. which religion is obivously a lie in that world. even he can create that miracles. this was a stupid episode, religion has no place in supernatural.

[@kawaiisugarglider9171]

@@horion7271 I suppose, honestly I was just happy to have recognized a big part of my life in a piece of media I enjoy. I hadn't really payed mind to the fact the show and this episode especially had to do with magic and stuff (which I know the entire show is, I was just pointing something out)

[@greekjohn1998]

@@horion7271 Well.... I would like to inform you that the Christian God (A variation of him, but pretty much Yahweh, Allah, God in one) does exist in DC and even Lucifer. It's Marvel I think who doesn't have him but a generic all powerful being (one above all)

[@kordellswoffer1520]

@@horion7271 it does. All kinds of religions exist in the dc universe from Christians to Greek and so on. Your point is stupid.

[@AngryAnimeFan2]

Religious faith Wisdom of kindness This almost make The potential new candidate Khaleed even more sense He too has a faith, and he has a wisdom of character in self Something Nabu forgot. Maybe that will make Nabu a greater and more positive role model

[@ProteusChris]

I agree. Plus he seems to be a direct descendant of Nabu.

[@rawyld]

As a Christian this is amazing how DC Comics talks about faith.

[@jadencoley2177]

I’m a Christian and I will always love and believe in God and Jesus Christ with my heart and soul in the name of God. ❤😊

[@rawyld]

Praise the Lord indeed @@jadencoley2177

[@andreadkins7400]

​@@jadencoley2177🙏🙏🙏

[@castbet9183]

I hear that prayer and say it to myself everytime I feel broken and each time it builds me back together and make me stronger and better. Faith is strong because it draws strength from those who believe in it in their own unique way.

[@carlocumino824]

And if you Hear well, the Prayer as a Italian voice over: "Padre nostro che sei nei Cieli sia santificato il Tuo Nome ..." Ecc. As Italian I really appreciate

[@MeDonPonce]

Couple of years ago my mom was at the hospital for what we thought it was cancer(it wasn’t) she was there for over a week. Am not a religious person but my mom is she was really depressed for the situation. But every time she was about to cry she started praying “padre nuestro que estas en el cielo” just like you say i could see her build herself back and feel better.

[@castbet9183]

@@MeDonPonce makes you wanna propose a question to which is stronger Faith or Fate? My money is on Faith

[@animelover12261]

I might of misunderstood what you meant so correct me if im wrong but faith does not draw from others faith only works if you believe in God and his truth with real understanding if not faith will be empty thats why he mentioned his faith in God

[@prestonh]

@@castbet9183 Faith.

[@Adam-sh8vf]

So many modern animated show portray any religion in a negative, as a way to be 'neutral'. This show is different, it is not 'neutral' in immediately discounting religion, it is truly neutral in portraying by showing each religions principles accurately, Zatara's lines about to achieveing unity requires individuality to matter is straight from Christian Doctrine.

[@krsynx]

I wouldn't mind religions at all if the wrong people hadn't acted out wrongly while claiming it to be the "will of God" or such. As an atheist (which is merely not believing in a higher being, but not the nihilistic kind of way), until the purity of religions have been restored, I can only have faith in the goodwill of mankind who do good out of their own accord.

[@Adam-sh8vf]

@@krsynx I think you might be interested in reading C.S. Lewis's "The Problem of Pain" "The Weigh of glory". Additionally If your believe religions are only good in their purest form the puritans sought to go back to the roots of Christianity without all the added rituals. And the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believe the fullness of Christianity left with the apostles and that it need to be restored in the modern day. You might not be interested in converting, but from what you said I think you might find these interesting. Especially "The Weight of Glory" C.S. Lewis was a staunch atheist for most of his adult life (But unlike you he was a "materialist" atheist instead of a humanist atheisit) but became converted in a series of conversations with his friend J.R.R. Tolkien (the creator of the lord of the rings) and since then had devoted his life to developing a rational basis for the faith, "The Weight of Glory" stipulates the reason why God is needed, even when people are able to be good people without Him.

[@rgonzales1082]

In X men, night crawler would mention God nonstop

[@AdeptKing]

I think the problem is that people forget that the people who do bad things in the name of their religion are the problem not necessarily the religion itself.

[@WarlordM]

@@Adam-sh8vf the problem with religion isn't people using it as a justification for their crimes and selfish actions, they could use anything for that. The problem with religion is raising people to believe that superheroes and supervillains like God, Moses, Michael, Jesus and Satan are real. Mass delusion is a great evil

[@vincerusselmorales3065]

Love the fact he still has faith in the One True Lord, despite being a host of an Agent & lord of Order

[@akamundi864]

I like how the show incorporates uncommon topics in media (Christianity, Islam, Autism, and some other things i forgot). Too many shows try to do things like this for one single ideal or belief to get brownie points from said community. Young Justice does it to add realistic diversities among the characters, and the show does it successfully without sacrificing characteristics or being overly political. It is interesting to see a show that focuses episodes on the characters themselves, no matter how small- without hindering plot; even adding on to it at times seamlessly. No episode is boring or the same, they are being made more diverse without compromising the fan's love of the characters.

[@K1ng1995]

Amen it's a shame the writers felt burned out by the time this season ended

[@shanemcguire7333]

I like the sublet difference es between the ankh and the cross. Same general shape different meanings. One the symbol of life and order, the other a tool of cruel execution turned into a symbol redemption and good. Showing that order and good may go hand in hand, but they are not the same.

[@sonicstar917]

You hit the nail on the head. True Christianity rests in the Cross, and what Christ did for all mankind.

[@vanillabatcave5677]

Lovely simmetry.

[@endamcnabola]

3:14 I always said that prayer going to bed every night as a kid.

[@HenT8991]

It's a good prayer, and the one who first spoke it said it for all of us as a blessing to us.

[@quentinjones6877]

I still say it now as an adult

[@newcollector]

Finally... Finally, a show represents faith in a respectable manner rather than using stereotypes, gaslighting, flanderization, or over the top imagery. People often forget that faith was never about a grand show of divinity, but rather subtle more humble moments in time between the believer and their savior.

[@BigK13372]

You do know X-Men TAS already done it via the character of Nightcrawler

[@saturnspawn]

Yes sir.

[@PeterDivine]

@@BigK13372 Yeah, _25 years ago_ and then never again.

[@camrenkimmerling9406]

This show loves deep diving into diversity, and really stands out from traditional shows. It’s been amazing growing up with it as a kid, and as I became an adult, the show became progressively more mature. I love this show.

[@The_Sigillite]

The way they've gone about it has matured as well. In the earliest seasons it was passive, similar to the early forms of diversity in carttons I remember from my childhood. Then, somewhere in the middle it became more aggressive. Not in a bad way, but it was more experimental and sometime felt like they were trying to appease someone. By this latest season though, it feels like they have found the balance they needed and moment's like this with Zatara showing both his own faith and respect for others really shows this to me. I'm no Christian, I felt the sincerity in that scene.

[@chrispy_091]

For those of you who are Christians and have an issue with a 'sorcerer' reciting this Prayer...do I really need to point out to you guys that we are ALL SINNERS, and the entire basis of our religion is being kind to others and praying to God to repent for our sins?

[@serenitydoesthings]

Finally someone gets it...

[@fantasy-writing-v5z]

Everyone says that God and the Bible condemns magic but personally I think it’s specifically talking about witchcraft and sorcery and for good reason

[@itisdrew1938]

This was probably the most based moment in DC history. Definitely gonna get back into young justice if it's stuff like this. Super pleased

[@reeeyou]

I am not religious myself, though i was raised Protestant Christian. But i think this is the best portrayal of one’s faith and own relationship with their religion by far. The reconciliation of Zatara’s faith with what we, in the real world, would think as witchcraft or blasphemy, and his personal relationship with God was rather poetic and beautiful.

[@draexian530]

The prayer's reverb is in Italian, while the rest of the monologue is reverbed with English. Even the Italian pronunciation of "amen." That's a stellar choice.

[@ReaperBlaze76]

Oh wow, a postive portrayal of Christianity in media. That's a surprise, but a welcome one.

[@animelover12261]

I agree though the representation is never correct so it always makes me sad because others also get the wrong idea for example magic is evil in the bible and ankhs which is what dr fate has are blasphemous so when the show tries to make a christian all those things and be ok with it than it looks bad because a belief is not something you just go yea i believe in God and do whatever else i want no a belief is everything you follow and are no real christian will follow God without listening to his words which God mentions is one of the most important things ever so its sad when they dont due justice to it in these shows i still like the show but i wish they did better with actual beliefs on a character though i get the people behind it have no knowledge on them but a christian would definitely not do magic and from what i know zatara love magic and practiced it unless its different in this show

[@BimByte]

@@animelover12261 I hope you follow the Bible to the letter since you're this upset about it. In fact you should not be using most modern day commodities if you were a "true" christian.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Disagree. Considering christianity's history of active vitriolic genocide against European Pagans, Native Americans, and anyone who dare practice any form of magic or have spiritual rituals unrelated to yaweh. It feels like a kick in the "ss to have a christian mage of all things.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@BimByte christians genocided European Pagans & Native Americans while specifically outlawing practice of magic/witchcraft with the punishment of torture and/or death (after stealing all of the accused family's possessions as "payment for the services.") Like I said in my previous comment. It is a kick in the teeth to have one of the only mage chatacters in the show be a christian of all things.

[@spiffygonzales5899]

@@BimByte You clearly don't read the Bible.

[@alexandermorales4322]

I remember when I first watched this episode, I’m a Catholic myself and I’d never seen a super hero pray the Our Father prayer. It really hit close to home and I ended up shedding a tear when I saw him bow his head as the cross appeared

[@ferdinandpangan6494]

Furthermore, he also crossed himself.

[@NL-ws5fv]

I'll admit, my jaw dropped when hearing Zatara utter the lord's prayer. ... I'm personally conflicted, but I just know my mom would absolutely find this amazing. [I miss her. 😥]

[@mydream1873]

Remember that she is always with you in your memories and heart. Since I believe in God I also believe that she is there watching over you. You may have moments when you want to cry because she is no longer with you physically but she will never leave your side. One day you shall join her but it's not the time yet. You still have a purpose in this life, even if you don't see it yet. Besides, there is so much to live for, even for little things that make us happy. So laugh, cry, scream, smile. Live not only for her but for yourself.

[@310DaynceCentral]

Hey N L.. It's okay. Moms always seem to know when and how we kids find our way to what is good & true. Keep your head up! Make Mom smile cause she's always watching..

[@oddballzebra2776]

Nobody cares

[@yanniskarageorgiou3573]

@@oddballzebra2776 92 people did. And so did 1 animal who chose to reply.

[@spider-man9118]

@@oddballzebra2776 why bro

[@YovanypadillaJr]

A Christian who isn't portrayed as a jerk or idiot I'm amazed.

[@alcostello6114]

It’s really cool seeing DC super hero’s bring up their Christian faith as a source of strength and love for themselves.

[@jofbeats11]

As a Christian I find this very warming that they add a bit of religion; yet alone a cartoon to say a beautiful verse in show in years. Its been awhile that most shows do that I think thats wonderful.......... anyway just my opinion. God bless you guys

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

Kevin mickael Richardson is a very good voice actor but is under rated

[@Gundam4]

One of the best VAs in the business

[@ggt47]

That sexy voice.

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

@@williamkerfoot8039 when l say underrated l mean to the fans, they rarely bring his name up as a great voice actor

[@vernonhampton5863]

"Very good' WRONG! That man is awesome.

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

@@vernonhampton5863 l couldn't agree more, he is also part of our childhood

[@elvisnzau5493]

This was the best episode ever. To see the characters draw their strength from within and without... And that Zattara scene.... Beautiful

[@Seek1878]

I still prefer Misplaced

[@theamazingmarlbito6293]

It's so awesome to see Zatara show the source of his strength for bearing the burden of Dr. Fate was Jesus, and not the love of his daughter. Like the show specifically said multiple times.

[@barnowl2655]

Completey agree, but it might've been both. He clearly needed to be with God in the harder times, but he also needed to remember who he's doing it for. In my opinion, Zatara isn't just a damn good father, he's a true believer.

[@vanillabatcave5677]

Both can be.

[@taiall]

It's rare when animated shows handle religion. It's either because the creators chose to leave it out of their stories or because people are just too damn sensitive and saying the wrong will cause people to lose their shit

[@Team_ghost9503]

I think this instance was good, kinda reminded me of Joshua Graham

[@HellishSpoon]

religion is a very touchy subject and kind of a turn off for people that aren't very religious or aren't part of the said religion how ever i think with bit of subtlety and understanding of the subject matter can make any story work

[@Maelkor]

Watch justice league tas. Grundy’s death.

[@Maelkor]

@Auran Crash grundy's death is a tale of an atheist and a religous person saying goodbye before one of them dies. hawkgirl being the non believer and grundy the believer. i think its a nice touch to show

[@cunningsmile4166]

Braggle fraggle

[@nyebe6598]

Wow. It's so rare to see the entertainment industry treating the Catholic faith as it should be and not a material for some horror film. Well done to the creators.

[@barnowl2655]

Yeah, especially in this time, when Christianity is demonized. Young Justice stepped up and decided to break that idea. Faith is a powerful thing, and to see it in this way is absolutely incredible.

[@MasterPoppers]

To be fair, the Catholic CHURCH (note: I'm not mocking the faith here, only the institution) has done some gnarly shit and deserves the ridicule it gets in the modern day.

[@sophiadebar382]

@@MasterPoppersso has the Muslim community. That doesn’t make it right to make the religion itself out to be evil

[@MasterPoppers]

@@sophiadebar382 I think it's absolutely fair to point out the hypocrisy involved with faith and those who practice it. Freedom of speech and expression. And just like creators are allowed to give their critiques of faith, you are welcome to critique their work.

[@sophiadebar382]

@@MasterPoppers they are allowed to give their critique on faith, I’m just saying, it’s kinda hypocritical to only talk about Christian faiths in such a way and paint all their followers as evil. You do it with Muslims or Jews and suddenly it’s hate speech🤷‍♀️

[@Omaxim1638]

I can't believe my bloody eyes An elite magician saying a prayer

[@banditkeith6479]

Ever heard of Romanian Tvee? He's a christian-athiest and happily married to a Christian woman.

[@serenitydoesthings]

@@banditkeith6479 sindella isn't officially catholic

[@vanillabatcave5677]

@@banditkeith6479 Christian-atheist? How does that work?

[@nathanizzo]

@@vanillabatcave5677yeah I’m confused lol cause those don’t rly go hand in hand with each other 😂

[@cunningsmile4166]

If you're wondering Zatana went to a Catholic school before transferring to Happy Harbor High

[@danielpurdy9328]

Zatara the 🐐. Handing Nabu's story back to him with a better interpretation. They better not kill him off for Khalid Fate but with how traumatic this season is for characters, it wouldn't surprise me for Z to get shafted with the death of her father

[@user-mf8nu5qe5f]

Being the strongest magic user in the universe and still parying to god really needs some faith

[@sphere7158]

I always wonder how Dr Fate is the son of Vandal Savage or related to him by blood, now I know.

[@andresplatas]

No wonder why he was so arrogant

[@masterjaninosaurustheone2323]

bruh it was mentioned in season 1 or 2

[@sphere7158]

@@masterjaninosaurustheone2323 what episode was it mentioned?

[@masterjaninosaurustheone2323]

@@sphere7158 i dont remember, but it was known that Nabu was his direct son, there was a backstory scene showing off Starro or smt

[@bloodstone1992]

@@masterjaninosaurustheone2323 that was in season 3

[@alexadams4358]

I felt a connection with the Cross and The Ankh, Dr. Fate's Symbol. Both of them representing the power of Hope, Peace and Life.

[@Beerbottles123]

Which is ironic, cuz Death wears an Anhk too.

[@N0rmandy]

"why do you tell me what I already know?" "for the audience"

[@paperbackwriter1111]

It‘s great to see a guy characterized like this in such a realistic fashion - it‘s still hilarious to see the guy spawn a cross outta nowhere and break out the Pater nostra.

[@rrjroxas7833]

And that is the birth of the so called wise men named Nabu whose wisdom is so outdated by around 2 millennia. The only good thing is that Zatara can educate him that times have change

[@xavengerknight761]

Amen we are nothing without our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

[@cyonisboxbraids]

Lord is savior ✝️

[@royalpython1736]

Not a lot of shows have the guts to show a religious character. Kudos to Young Justice.

[@God_of_Calamity]

There's liberally only one man that could realistically solve the problem of the current storyline, where trickery, subterfuge, and maybe a few demons could defeat the child. We all know his name.

[@diegofoliene3288]

Yeah. But I doubt he will appear.

[@sreekanthnair8524]

Constantine

[@sreekanthnair8524]

Constantine

[@Patrick-eq6gj]

Yeah they'll probably get the sentinels to come and fight the child but I'd love to see John in young justice

[@Seek1878]

The Spectre

[@BurstFlare]

This scene is very inspirational. But there's one thing I don't like about Dr. Fate. It's as if he views Order to be justice and Chaos to be evil, but that's honestly not quite true. The most basic nature of Order is control, while the most basic nature of Chaos is freedom. Chaos is the very nature of humanity, and yet it was also humanity that realized the dangers of Chaos and tamed it, creating the concept of Order. But complete Order means completely stripping away one's freedom, which itself meant completely stripping away one's humanity. There is no justice in that. Chaos and Order are paradoxical, complete opposites of each other, and yet it is only through a delicate balance between them that true justice can be found. At least, that's how I see it.

[@Chris-gx1ei]

It feels great seeing Christian Superheroes, it kinda warms up my heart.

[@cyonisboxbraids]

Amen ✝️

[@ohitsthatguy8079]

Young Justice getting diversity right. They make characters who are muslim and Catholic. Theses are parts of the characters but not the whole.

[@Shuyin781]

Zatarra : heed the words of those who seek only to aid your cause... Nabu : aid my cause? Your daughter strongly hates me and seeks only to remove my helmet from your head. I'm not listening to her!

[@manasavuibaubatiwale3593]

He forgot to mention the last parts though... "..for thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen"

[@EmptyMan000]

He didn't forget. You don't have to say the whole thing. The psalms are split into various verses.

[@manasavuibaubatiwale3593]

@@EmptyMan000 true. Maybe the writers meant to keep it out. It's in the New Testament though.

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

It is possible that zatara was simply quoting scripture by memory. Recall that, even if he is a very religious man, he is a magician and not a preacher.

[@alejandrozuniga5783]

​@@FinalLugiaGuardianits actually the catholic our father prayer

[@martineliecermitrethomas9833]

Man this is the best arc of the season so far

[@carlocumino824]

I am Italian (in the Sense I live in Italy) I am not a Catholic (My parents wedding was a civil one, officed by the Mayor) but hearing the Zatara voice over with the "Padre Nostro" Is amazing

[@kanaluwikins-kepaa736]

That is awesome zatara is a Christian superheroe, its so cool hearing zatara keeping true to his faith

[@RekEStore32]

Nabu is just a arrogant as Vandal. It makes it believable that they are directly related. Right on Zatana for calling him out!

[@mathieubordeleau150]

I personally think Nabu is evil and far form a hero, How he basically enslave his host at all time, reduce their lifespan and essentially force someone to make his deal to help, this make him a selfish monster. If you consider the lords of chaos to be "Chaotic Evil", he is "Lawful Evil"

[@RekEStore32]

@@mathieubordeleau150 That actually is a good argument.

[@matheussandbakk9959]

@@mathieubordeleau150 I'm pretty sure he's Lawful Good, though often treated as Lawful Neutral He's a person who believes the ends justifices the means as well as certain things being more important than some human life. If he had to sacrifice half the planet to save the universe, that's what he would do. He's morality is non human. He believes in perfect order. Does not make him evil as he has no ill intent on people derived from evil thoughts

[@irish5662]

@@mathieubordeleau150 It does call to mind how at the beginning of Zatanna's arc Phantom Stanger says that the Lords of Order and Chaos are just that, and they don't necessarily use moral judgement or define themselves in terms of good and evil.

[@pavloszimbrakos4410]

Wow the dude straight up legit prayed didn’t expect that but with the accent and the calmness it was nice

[@huntercool2232]

They didn’t say the full prayer, but I still respect WB for quoting the Bible. Especially with the era we live in today when things normally receive a lot of backlash.

[@noaholson9047]

As a Catholic I feel Really well represented and proud to call Dr. fate I fellow Catholic Edit: I should say Zatara

[@hardwirecars]

ok i got goose bumps when he quoted the Lords prayer never thought i would see the day.

[@mistertea603]

I am fascinated by this man's faith... he practices what most of his sect would call the devil's work, and yet his unwavering faith has helped him in his imprisonment all these years...

[@Strato_Casterrr9898]

He is Catholic. Despite saying that magic does not exist, the Vatican more or less tells its followers that: 1. Only priests can do "holy magic", liek exorcisms, etc; 2. You can't do magic/practice magic. So the vatican kore.or less acknowledges magic, thus more.lenient about it. Here in my country, the local "druid" practices are still, well, being practiced by some healers, but more.or less under the supervision of the church and, the healer must maintain like 6 hours of uninterrupted prayers everyday. So what I'm saying is that, if a member of the Catholic church were to somehow gain magic powers one day, the church would want or keep it secret but would make sure that the follower practices magic for the good of humanity and for the glory of God. Roman Catholicism is the most lenient version of christianity I know.

[@mistertea603]

@@Strato_Casterrr9898 thank you for the insight!!!

[@cyonisboxbraids]

Interesting, tell me more ​@@Strato_Casterrr9898

[@s3dchr]

Nabu's like "... Wait, you fucking channeled Catholicism into me??? DUDE"

[@Commander_Thorn.]

Love how this is the same voice actor for…JACE MALCOM! “We must fight, to victory or to death, FOR THE REPUBLIC!” -Jace Malcom

[@barnowl2655]

HECK YEAH!!!

[@Archelaus42]

My favorite part is at the end when Zatara is meeting with Black Canary and he admits to his trauma of being used as a host by Nabu for years.

[@rodimusriderv2368]

Nice to see Kent and Wally

[@martinbell5096]

This scene aged so well incredibly story telling

[@reillycurran8508]

What I like about this scene is how normally these echoey voids feature a repeating echo, but here the echo speaks first, in the realm where fate is already written, it's like the world itself is impatient for the speakers to say the words themselves

[@fulcrum6760]

Hey Pureflix, this is how you do religion in shows!

[@KennOcta]

Who's here after seeing Black Adam trailer?😮

[@ImaSuburban]

It’s not in this clip but can we talk about how flaw killed tecal (idk how to spell it) in two seconds and everyone was shook including dr fate 😂

[@pivotmaster8510]

Teekl

[@ProteusChris]

I thought about posting that.

[@stblitzcrick]

Bro his speech was so damn elegant, and the him giving a prayer, was french kiss, im a muslim, but atleast we have someone with some damn traditions

[@CPT_Frostie]

You think about it Zatara with the combine knowledge of naboo has seen alot of godly powered from new and old gods to Greek gods, and lords of order and chaos who have Devine power...but still believes in a Christian God which he hasn't seen is a much more powerful thing

[@mariomouse8265]

The Abrahamic God exists in the DC comics though. The Phantom Stranger is supposed to be Judas Iscariot; while the Spectre is apparently the Angel of Vengance (God’s Wrath on Earth)

[@barnowl2655]

Faith is a powerful thing. Ever since I discovered God for the first time, I've never let it go.

[@skyrogue1977]

Nabu is very much Vandal’s son.

[@jeremy1860]

I can't remember how long it's been since I've heard that prayer, in fiction or otherwise 🤔

[@mr-walker7735]

Can y'all believe that Khalid nassour will become Dr fate after zatara.

[@endamcnabola]

YJ has pulled twists and turns before so who knows.

[@ProteusChris]

He is likely but thirteen and Mary are both possible too

[@benaffblack]

@@endamcnabola lmao no. The only twists this shows does is how long it takes for someone to become their comic book counterpart. Khalid will become Dr.Fate

[@Patrick-eq6gj]

@@benaffblack yeah he's literally Kent Nelsons descendent, thirteen and Mary aren't even in the running

[@morganlasch8750]

If Fate somehow gets his own body back, I'll be surprised

[@antatomik]

Yeah in the credits of ther episode Zatara explained that he survived the long night or the long dark , plainly in the story Zatara never slept for the last 10 years debating with Nabu constantly probably an attempt for the Deity in the helmet to control the Host.

[@wolffishelk4324]

Him praying *my mind immediately: Azeral were are you

[@NicolasMHarrison]

Nabu was once a man, but even in his own helmet there is only a helmet. That says a lot of how detached from his own humanity he is/has become

[@endamcnabola]

I think I hear some Italian echoing in the background.

[@cardinalchaos2278]

In this universe, Zatara is Italian.

[@cunningsmile4166]

Molto bene

[@Me-wx1mt]

"such hosts were not always easy to come by" **shows four different hosts that just put on the helm**

[@JarvisBaileyVA]

Love this. People may be terrible, but faith in God doesn't have to be.

[@lonewolfgamingplus379]

Ehhhhhhh idk about that.

[@JarvisBaileyVA]

@@lonewolfgamingplus379 I can understand your discontent and hey I don't even believe in the Christian god myself. But I know that there are people out there who are accepting and loving and even though they believe in any given religion like Christianity, they don't subscribe to the evils that are taught and rebuke the hypocrisy clearly shown by preachers, grifters and the like. They believe in the core tenets of forgiveness, practicing charity, and treating others as they would want to be treated. There are good Christians

[@wakkaseta8351]

That prayer honestly felt kinda shoehorned. The transition into it definitely could've been smoother.

[@Sleeper_15]

You know what I just realized Zatara is the only league member to age look at Batman, Wonder Woman, flash, Green lantern, Green arrow, and others they are all still young😂😂😂

[@doctorquack-pot4214]

“Not easy to come by” proceeds to show clips of teens putting on the helmet

[@velmalambert5863]

I wonder if Dr fate, the new gods and old gods recognize that The Presence is the true God.

[@Strato_Casterrr9898]

Since the phantom stranger is here, I believe they do.

[@ATalesTruth-]

I’m sure they don’t want to acknowledge The true God’s existence because it makes them look less worthy of worship All so called gods are just spoiled brats with power using that power to take advantage of life regardless if they say it’s for good or evil hence why they call themselves gods Superman for example is said to be like the gods but what makes him different is he knows he isn’t a god because he isn’t one to think power makes one as such, hence is a true hero

[@stew-03]

The old gods who have encountered Lucifer/Michael definitely do in comics

[@chrystgavenfamorcan8507]

Ok, I see Sandman, Lucifer, John Constantine reference now

[@vulcranstorm2023]

I like the fact that a magic user is christian

[@amindriouchi3667]

Damn the way zatara pointed out the truth to Nabu really hit me, goated character🐐

[@masteryoda765]

Ok I’m an atheist, but that prayer moved me

[@Seek1878]

I'm a former cahtolic and just found it odd. But then again a world where Atlantis, wizards, ghosts, vampires, the Greek gods/godesses, demigods, etc, are real god isn't much of a stretch lol

[@blueberryshortcake8478]

@@Seek1878 true, god existing in this universe doesn’t mean anything when stronger gods exist

[@matheussandbakk9959]

@@blueberryshortcake8478 Actually in DC God called the Presence in the comic is the most powerful being. Hell even Lucifer Morningstar, his son is a multiversal being having creating entirely new realities. He gave Spectre his power, yet another one of the strongest beings

[@severalanimations3369]

I'm glad this show is all inclusive and doesn't trying to paint any real group of people as evil.

[@ryankwon8785]

DC Comics treated God seriously. Marvel treated God like a drunkard joke.

[@ProteusChris]

Yeah they don't really have a coherent theology or idea about God and Marvel. Eternity is technically just a combination of all conscious life. That's the closest that get to it

[@grandcanyon-fu9zt]

these are not real gods in the comics, just fictional characters made by cartoonists.

[@jaerg91]

@@grandcanyon-fu9zt I think he meant that gods in Marvel are not quite gods. They’re still mortals. But gods in DC have an image that they’re inmortal.

[@grandcanyon-fu9zt]

@@jaerg91 they die too in dc lol

[@MrMisterman1]

Nabu's just as arrogant as his father, not to mention a total jerk and an idiot. I mean, letting two chaos lords fight and cause so much damage and intervening only to take on the winner? What does he think this is? A tennis tournament?

[@Cm_punk_42]

Whose here after watching BlackAdam ⚡⚡

[@jaerg91]

Because I didn’t see Fate in the movie… I was told he was going to show up, I just saw lots of imitation.