Young women describe Oranga Tamariki care

[@pixelspring]

Wt hells going on NZ Herald. This is the first bit of real investigative for the people reporting I’ve seen you do for years. Years! Finally Seen the writing on the wall have we?

[@rastagirlnz]

I fully agree... 😊

[@Zacaryquack]

Almost like they forget they are supposed to be our voice not the government or corperations

[@talishareddy4887]

Because they’re being boycotted for avoiding reporting on genocide

[@berniemckinley4988]

Not really it has hardly any views. People are not interested in anecdotal stuff. They dont want abuse for children of course but there is a scepticism that the media will find the outlier worst cases and blow it up. Never the possible never the people helped saved freed from harm. And the media goes on a witch hunts on these carers - which leads to fewer offering, fewer places less care options available. Also my uncle went in the army at age 16 yo a troubled maori boy who was trouble - it saved him. He saw the opportunity. We are too focused on being victims these days and its a destructive mentality

[@freelancerconverse4413]

Nothing has changed since state care back in the 60s 70s the stories remain the same.

[@Not4Prophet]

I've been dealing with OT for some 7 years now as a parent and as an advocate. They are grossly incompetent, arrogant and ignorant which leads to worse outcomes for most children and families than would have been the case were they not involved. There is absolutely an overarching intent to make themselves (OT) the central focus point and to subversively undermine families. If you haven't personally walked this path it is likely you wouldn't understand. These young woman get it. OT must be disestablished and other options should be explored and developed but not via a government agency. The government is at the core of the corruption of society, across the board.

[@tauiraclay4235]

@@Not4Prophet thank you😊 appreciate so much❤

[@tauiraclay4235]

@@Not4Prophet thank you😊 appreciate so much❤

[@apriltriggs2737]

I understand I was in care when I was young. I've dealt with them for 5 years. They took my kids about 6 weeks ago. They constantly lie, manipulate and do what ever it takes to break u down weither it's legal or not. I hate them so much my poor babies are traumatized and cry so much on our visits. They love the power it's just a fun game for them they don't care about anybody they hurt.

[@OfficialArohaEnlghtments]

Interested…. Connect as we rise above the system and co-create a new way forward that dissolves OT and their trauma that has stained the hearts and homes of aotearoa NZ families/ whanau for decades…. Project Neverland is for the people anyone who has been in the system and is now thriving connect to be at grass roots for this project to save our children ❤

[@marnoster]

Whenever I see cases of abuse like this it’s always a group of brave woman organising and doing something. And in this case OT also getting blamed. In the majority of cases of abuse it’s us men who inflict the abuse. And we as men should be the ones trying to do something about it, not the victims. Next time you and one of your mates say or do something disrespectful to a woman or a girl, call them out and make them aware that it’s not okay to perpetuate this culture where woman fear for there safety. We know better now guys, and don’t have to be like generations before us.

[@rachaelbendall5958]

Well said

[@bettyh2602]

Perfect response!!

[@fionabryant7923]

Thank you for interviewing these young women , more power to them and you

[@annahouston9528]

They also make mistakes and take kids that don't need to be taken, then cause harm. I got a sorry but not from the ones that did it!

[@Kep828nz]

Giving cyfs a Maori title doesn't make it better.

[@SKCDOSENDEPS]

Pssssh..Most of the workers there are māori.. look into it for yourself before you point your racist knarled fingers at people

[@hellurmoto3163]

Im not Maori and even i noticed the name change and didnt think it was right either! Like NOPE yalls name is CYFS!!

[@Duckz558]

@@hellurmoto3163 a māori title doesn’t make it worse either dumbies

[@Duckz558]

maybe the european influence behind it normally happens but anyway truth bound to come out near future you watch🎉

[@lorrainebartosh475]

Trinity and Karah, so saddened to see that you have endured so much hurt and pain in your young lives. May your futures be happy, safe, successful and filled with Aroha!

[@jodiefalconer9245]

Truly sad for these girls the homes promised to keep these kids safe seem to have more abuse than the home that they are uplifted from

[@G7FX_REVIEWS]

Poor young ladies. All these dead beat parents out there don't look after their kids then they end up in government care

[@timemeasured]

My daughter was sexually abused by our neighbours. Whilst young . No Accountability by State housing who didn't deem my daughter, Us as a family, needed to be urgently transferred so they could be charged. I have been fighting for Justice and Accountability for years. Human rights , Fundamental rights only given , or even listened to those they wish. The lack of Justice or Rights steals your lives away. Blessings to you. Be strong and proud bringing your story to air. My daughter wasn't in State care. But the Prison by HNZ is just as destroying. I keep fighting to also. They destroyed our family worth . We were the VICTIMS! 💖💖💖💖💖 My heart is with you.

[@fionabryant7923]

It's not just the parents

[@allanwright5231]

Abuse is abuse no matter who it is

[@Tawadeb]

It's more shocking when it's other children as you think you can trust them

[@joanmcquay3107]

Why are we not talking about their family who put them there Not saying any of this is good but let’s go back to the source Too many negligent families get away with too much and these poor children suffer through their lives The kids who go to boot camps have made choices about their lives very different situations

[@JWaititi]

​@Jus-Listen no it isn't lol. Wouldn't need a huge industry of governmental care if families weren't dysfunctional.

[@JWaititi]

@Jus-Listen I'm fine lol. Never said there shouldn't be state care, only said that if family dysfunction wasn't so widespread, excused and at times encouraged we wouldn't need such huge infrastructure for it, thus making it more targeted and effective.

[@nancydrew1102]

@@JWaititi it’s a shame extended family can’t have their own or aren’t supported in keeping them . I have a friend who has 2 young foster children , they would adopt them if the mother allowed and had limited contact . As they go back to her they come back more aggressive / feral , swearing etc … within their family of children those preschoolers are Learn manners , discipline & stability , kindergarten and play in a loving safe family unit . It’s a shame it can’t be permanent for those little one’s future self . Hopefully they will learn enough from them to know right from wrong and their choices can be a different path.

[@licriss]

because: 1) Its not always the family, OT make regular mistakes and children are taken away that shouldn't be, all the time, the people who assess these things are often entirely ignorant to the real problems 2) There will always be problem families but the organisation that is responsible for helping the children without families or from abusive homes should have absolutely no mechism for putting the children in even worse situations 3) Complaining about those abusive families doesn't do anything

[@skovdzschitt3230]

​@@nancydrew1102 gawd and then those kids have YOU, someone not looking after them calling them feral.. I hope you AND your friend aren't speaking to those kids like that because abusive treatment starts with a dehumanising (feral is a word to describe wild animals 😡) mindset. Forcing manners under the guise of discipline and routine is the same crap that all victims of State care abuse suffered so shove your righteous indignation about "bad parenting". Try understanding why those kids are so angry instead of using THEIR experiences to win you some social media brownie points

[@newafricanforum]

When a plunket nurse first came to our house, she asks if we drink. I say i do and my wife said she doesn't. Then the nurse went on saying that if we both were drinkers she would take the kid away. I was like 'are u kidding me'? Dont they find it even condescending.?

[@pop-4567]

Two intelligent and strong Women, I hope Your futures are full of success, love and good health.

[@JWaititi]

Again, no mention that the abuse was perpetrated by other kids in the housing.

[@marcusderailious]

first 2 minutes they talk about SA by other students. listen.

[@JWaititi]

@marcusderailious I'm talking about the media. Haven't heard "abusive residents, abusing other residents" yet, all we hear is "abuse in state care" as if it's the state who is the abuser.

[@Kris98863]

I know a young man who said he was abused in state care as a young child and he's only in his late 20s now.

[@Themostmercifulrabb]

"And to every soul will be paid in full of its deeds, and He knows best all that they do." (39:70)

[@rg1876]

Strange kiwi custom of smiling when talking about severe suffering.

[@carlywright5127]

The children never had a safe person to go to? Are they not taught whom to go to? Child abuse in care, or home environ, unacceptable.

[@willielongbotham7156]

Public employees abuse their positions with adults, so how do you think they treat children. Child care is a magnet for certain unsavioury people, not qualified and not fit for purpose, at all levels. Not just a NZ problem, it's a worldwide problem. Lack of independent overview, low requirements for employment, no stringent vetting..

[@nannajaysadventures]

Keep up the fight ladies....there are people who care.

[@Tawadeb]

These poor little girls. How traumatising. Gd bless them and heal them

[@HB-iq6bl]

Let's talk about their families, where they were abused

[@newafricanforum]

That's a valid question BUT not an excuse for these scumbags who give behind government and charity to abuse the most vulnerable. For all we know some of these kids were orphans. But that's neither here nor there.

[@OfficialArohaEnlghtments]

💯 behind the dissolving of OT horrendously abused so many young I’ve been in the system thrived beyond it spent 24 years fighting for justice for 10 women and got it for them with the abuser hiding under OT cover ups for it’s the child’s fault … not ! He was discovered still working with kids God help us, gvt apologies without change meaningless words…. Fostered many teens independently and through the system and I know first hand they still don’t care they haven’t changed their core since the eighties when I was at the hand of their abuse in Dunedin. Working tirelessly I will never give up on children and will be independently establishing an alternative care for these precious children lost in the depths of a filthy system. Kia Kaha 💜 Arohanui ❤ Save Our Children Aotearoa ❤

[@apriltriggs2737]

Good on u that is awesome thank. I was in care too. They took my kids 6 weeks ago. The corruption is so bad. Now I have to fight them in court. They screwed me over and they don't care they enjoy it.

[@shoonyah]

Such brave n beautiful young women ❤️ ♥️ Don't let these years dictate your future ...there is a whole universe awaiting.....much aroha to you both

[@caravanstuff2827]

Damn if you do and Damn if you don't... what's happening now is the result of the brake down of the nuclear family and the destruction of religion...it all started in the 60s and has gone down hill since then!!.❤️🙏🇳🇿

[@Rebecca-nx5ec]

💯

[@KingJunta-n2n]

All voted for, we got comfortable, we live easy lives here in Nz we have become priveleged and liberal nonsesne, im not religous but without strong family/conservative values we are doomed, the boomers started this and the milenials nailed in the coffin, now gen z is left with the consequences.

[@glassini]

Abuse within religious families has always been as prevalent as in non religious families. Sadly wherever there is a dynamic of power and control over children in families, political institutions, military intervention, social groups, education, intelligence agencies, gangs, cartels and clubs the abuse of vulnerable children, sex trafficking, and exploitation occurs. It always has occurs and it continues to. Currently we have thousands at the highest level 9f governance of all of the above Worldwide named and listed and identified with rock solid evidence of Child Sex Trafficking and abuse and nothing is being done about it. The highest and most powerful Intelligence Agencies on the planet including our own in NZ were on the contrary directly involved in it.

[@caravanstuff2827]

@@KingJunta-n2n couldn't agree more!!!.

[@KingJunta-n2n]

@@caravanstuff2827 these socialist weirdos want us eating out of their palms, at each others throats, to busy screaming at each other over BS that we dont see the rug being pulled, we have to do better for our Tamariki for our kids, they deserve a future.

[@bridgetbiss886]

Govt funded child traffickers. OT staff receive bonuses for removing children. These no bonus for helping the family stay together. Ripping newborns from a mother's arms who want their babies has to be the Most horrific thing I've witnessed as a human.

[@JWaititi]

Except you've never witnessed it, have you? Your myths are ridiculous.

[@FionaMinhinnick]

Aroha this should never have happened to you all. Feel your grief & pain kia kaha. Absolutely agree with your korero ❤

[@blackline-qf6fl]

Tell the police, that's what they are there for & the police will act.. pointless telling the social worker.

[@MrCaesartheman]

isn't just females, my brother who was 3 at the time was touched, I tried to run away, I was taken back, this was also the 5th house they had put me in, each one felt like a prison, the only difference was that they had finally reunited me with my little brother in this one. I wont even get started on what I experienced in the other foster homes

[@shyshy07]

Aww these poor girls and all the others that suffered cyfs is an absolute joke!!

[@gizzyskate8845]

Not a joke a crime.

[@shyshy07]

@@gizzyskate8845 agree with that!!

[@Chopper650]

looking forward to the stories of abuse in "parental homes" next

[@cherylmason9872]

It's never stopped they turn a blind eye

[@warfivevy0neMachines]

Good work nz Herald, Oranga Tamariki call for reprimand.

[@nickblokland4680]

I agree , this system dont work. Case worker is only a worker

[@BnW187]

How about the families who are being wrongfully penalised? No justice!

[@Sharon-yk7xm]

I can only feel there horror that young people have to go throw this when so many people would love to give them a real home but so much red tape so wrong

[@ratahenderson2059]

They are a money generating agency. A lot of people rely work being generated through this agency.

[@newafricanforum]

True. I have a suspicion that like a funeral parlor that makes money when somebody is dead, the helping industry thrives when families are dysfunctional and that they prefer it that way.

[@yogabelly26]

At last! Some actual investigative journalism from the Herald. Thank you.

[@blackline-qf6fl]

Child Welfare.. Names/Title are suppose to be informative therefore this name Oranga Tamariki isn't fit for purpose..

[@Sharnecau]

And its very difficult to adopt in New Zealand..

[@The_la_girls134]

Oranga Tamariki has so many dirt the whole thing needs to shut down.

[@honahwikeepa2115]

The horror of an impersonal science value being applied to the individual by government and society. God defend New Zealand 🙏🏾🇳🇿💪🏾

[@tauiraclay4235]

Can we start listening to these young people and pay attention. They are in it everyday trying to educate us the abuse and negatives. Children ending up in government care.

[@JWaititi]

​@Jus-Listen literally never heard anyone, ever say that lol.

[@JWaititi]

@Jus-Listen scrolled right to the bottom, seen nothing of what you speak. You okay?

[@christiangoodall9330]

"There is no fate but what you make for yourselves" ©$777.

[@ppaniora]

The level of maturity and emotional development for empathy and compassion is highly lacking. There is no one size fits all to how survivors of abuse in state care recover or the burden of stigmas. I say any one here who makes a negative comment is frighted and insecure person and lacks backbone, no grit and wouldnt last the first minute let alone years of abuse, isolation, public stigma. In the past few years many young children have past at the hands of family / family friends so in contrast its die at the hands of a family member or suffer years of abuse in and of the system lashing out at the general public for not beholding a good standard of care.

[@mattielouise487]

We have got sick people in our community at different levels in oranga tamaraki👎🏻

[@tashamyfamily7680]

I agree my niece and nephew getting move from there home town to move with family members who they only meet all up for a month my nephew 12 and niece is 9. Orange tamariki know that this family members has had mental health problems and her own kids have been investigated. Just because they are family they shouldn't have full rights to go. We know a great forst mum in are town, the town the kids live in so they won't have to move school or leave there close family members if any one can help me how can I stop this

[@heminuiraho8235]

Who gets Oranga Tamarikis responsibilities... Divesting the resources to iwi. Does anyone notice how iwi are a corporate entity no longer traditional Iwi. All shit actors but thanks for the heads up.😊

[@rastagirlnz]

Unfortunately i understand... it like these beautiful girls were talking my childhood... from 91 till 95.... i think i was in approx 15 different homes... i always had a emergency bag packed... makes me sad remembering... But girls youll get thru it and be stronger for it... One love...😊

[@MrMrsBoyce213]

Oranga tamariki are careless they dont care about the children. Its just a job to them

[@wekabird886toktown7]

OT is filled with righteous egos and don't forget there are few that make a difference because the sector is not about making a difference, it's about placing children into mediocre care at best to blatant abuse from the ones OT place them with until they're old enough to fend for themselves. Some go into the job to make a difference, to make change for kids in care, but left hopeless and powerless for seeking change, for doing their job properly, cause you wouldn't want 'good' to happen in the sector now would you??!! Sarcasm. Most who have a dream of beating at the doors for change are not being heard. But for most, it's about sitting on the fence and hope consequences for it don't come their way!!? From the horror stories I've been told or read about, it's akin to child trafficking, children being used for money, with absolute power and no consequences for the torment and mistakes they make on a daily for vunerable children who just want to be somewhere safe and sound.

[@nyranstanton203]

I think Parent education is important also. Like WHY were they needed Oranga Tamariki in the first place. Maybe instead of all this bullsht sex education at schools, maybe more PARENTING education at schools should be implemented, to try and avoid these situations in the future so parents UNDERSTAND what having a child is going to take , before they have them. If its gone back to 1999 etc and before you are talking about both National AND Labour....so if you are going to blame a SPECIFIC side you are in the wrong. The system just NEEDS improving on both sides and severe actions taken when abuse victims accuse people and investigations done and consequences carried out if shown to be true accusations. As a sexual abuse victim myself and i didnt tell anyone for over 30 years mainly because my parents allowed me to walk home from school at 5-7yrs old and its PARTLY my fault for going off with a stranger i shouldnt have done, young trusting dumb naivity, i wsa luckily it wasnt worse and it was pretty bad. Government agencies have to make sure kids have access constantly to ONE on ONE private interviews and assessments with government agency officials so they can voice any wrong doings at home. An assessment should happen every few months with EVERY child under care and given the support if they accuse the people they are with. However unfortauntely sexual abuse many times has no evidence, so you cant just arrest every person accused of sexual assault either, some people do lie if they have mental health issues.Its a complicated issue for sure.

[@liamtimothystirling1635]

well instead of taking kids from family they should be working with the family as a whole oh but that's far too hard isn't it . especially newborns being uplifted and brainwashed to call caregivers mum and dad its disgusting you strip them of their identity and culture and wonder why you get criminals from it. needless to say caregivers receive more financial assistance than the parents do. no one is a saint , everyone makes mistakes.

[@New_Zealand_Murder_History_777]

Shes right, CYF and oranga tamariki all that is strait garbage. They dont know sh

[@shereedonnelly5104]

❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@debrasmith4644]

Anything govt driven will nevet work Child Youth and Family and now Otamariki so this story is to support the bootcamps the govt have in place to child traffick thats my thoughts

[@tkbellatkbella9358]

Such a horrific carry on bad enough it happened back in time shame on this system for ignoring this continuing on it has to stop sadly our tamariki are not looked after and kept safe Kia Kaha wahine toa keep striving forward you are beautiful young woman ❤️

[@JWaititi]

And what do you suppose they do? Seeing as the vast majority of abuse is perpetrated by other kids at these homes?

[@MalcolmWolf]

@@JWaititi Actually try to protect them, and when they come forward actually not be dismissive about it.

[@JWaititi]

@MalcolmWolf they already do that, the government isn't some omnipotent divine being capable of stopping ever instance of abuse before it happens, and an apology from the Prime Minister, settlements and continued media coverage hardly constitutes "dismissive"

[@tkbellatkbella9358]

Wow thats handy you seem to have a real chip on your shoulder any positive suggestions unfortunately trolling others comments isn’t helpful but I wish you well for your future and do hope you grow a heart for those less fortunate as one day you may find you need empathy in your own situation god bless

[@SFHFWill]

Your news outlet is just absolute trash now.

[@thejoke2791]

Share your outlet

[@JWaititi]

​@@thejoke2791 GroundNews.

[@katgilsenan6141]

Boot camps are not the answer! My heart goes out to these women.

[@Sam-wn5qp]

What culture of social workers run Orangi Tamariki? Are they white or foreigners?

[@ChrisTeManaakitanga]

Mmmmmmm yeah...😑👍🤔🙂👍. From 4 to 34 ...mmmmyeah in custody. Turned 16 in Linton Prison. Am 50 now (i suppose). * hey, it's not about me... IT'S ABOUT THE kids that are there RIGHT NOW!!! They have feeling's, & guvmints saying BOOTCAMP (😡) grrrrrrrrrrrr ! The children need " LOVE " " ....not discipline , you clowns! If i felt loved, i would've bin on top of the world. Real love. ( We're THE SAME 😆👍😃, I survived, but life's still a game of everyday. I'm not the same as other people, they wouldn't understand or appreciate having less than nuffing. But I'm the proof right here! ( Thanks Jesus, Thanks My God👍...never give up, you're not alone, cher👍

[@barbaraknowles2713]

In my circles O.T stands for On going Trauma , 😢

[@JWaititi]

Yep, time to stop all the "help" and leave these families to their own devices.

[@barbaraknowles2713]

@@JWaititi indeed

[@Its_Itsy]

hold up, have to google translate Oranga Tamariki, see what it means

[@stormchaser300]

it means child welfare it should mean child abuse tukino tamariki

[@Longtack55]

They were out of control criminals not interested in prosocial behaviour. Your article is naive.

[@JWaititi]

​@Jus-Listen a litany of abuse towards these girls.

[@FionaMinhinnick]

how do you deem a 2year old as a criminal or even a new born baby as many state wards entered into state care at this age. Too then experience horrific abuse at such a young age while in state care. Unless you have gone through that system yourself then your opinion is trivial & has no substance.

[@JWaititi]

@Jus-Listen nothing about hate lol. Ironic that you'd call me a bot when your channel is filled with AI trash lol..

[@Naha-wg1ek]

2024 AND IT'S STILL GOING ON.. ALL I HEAR IS HOW DARK LIFE IS UNDER CYFS.. GOD BLESS.. CYFS GET HELP! FAILING OUR KIDS OUR FAMILIES 😂

[@Electric-vs5gi]

The OT personnel I've meet have been complete mouth breathers, who should never be given any power over anyone.

[@andrewlim9345]

These two women are courage ous for speaking out about their childhood abuses. One from Dunedin and one from Napier.

[@Huimatewaka]

👀 what do we have here

[@kiwidee6564]

They truely are the worst of the worst as social workers !!! They think constantly of bad happening in the home when often it isn’t . I he workers there are a disgrace to nz families and the title of social worker !! My experience with them was disgusting! U can never do right .

[@MajorDrama1]

Disgusting that vulnerable young kids have to suffer this horrific fate all alone in "State Care"! Respect to Trinity and Karah for this courageous public stand to help save others who may be suffering same - And Respect to NZ Herald for caring, exposing and publicising their plight - Now its up to our political leaders to audit this mess, properly understand scope and scale and exterminate this terrible abuse - These kids also need an independent carer ("someone to talk to") to monitor their deployments and their lives to keep them safe and feeling supported

[@JWaititi]

Impossible. The only way would be for government "care" to be stopped altogether. Some may die, but that would be a sacrifice you're willing to make, correct?

[@john23402]

Who is responsible if what they said is true? Those who are assumed to be accountable should have a chance to speak. One-sided stories are subjective.

[@fionabryant7923]

Why would they lie

[@stormchaser300]

The parents.

[@benj4840]

Blame everything on childhood trauma right? So you take no accountability

[@JWaititi]

​@Jus-Listen it's pretty obvious lol.

[@benj4840]

How educated are they? They have absolute no idea lmao had a stroke trying to wait for them to say what they wanted to say

[@benj4840]

It’s not orange tamariki fault you got assaulted by someone not affiliated to them lmao wow

[@benj4840]

Oranga*

[@Rebecca-nx5ec]

​@@benj4840cos it's all about the spelling, most likely spell checking at work

[@josephl9619]

exactly. And this stuff happens in all the schools and communities as well.

[@marcusderailious]

join Black power!!!!

[@benj4840]

And the girl with the neck tattoo, what a great look, zero sympathy

[@neilmarshall5087]

Thanks for sharing your absolute lack of empathy / caring. Perhaps research how victims often turn on themselves in their desperation to escape their suffering. that makes victims cut themselves, or get get tattoos. You had a stroke waiting for someone to reveal their abuse? Yeah - you need professional help. Get off the meth.

[@benj4840]

She should be grateful she had a roof over her head, I can’t believe this tbh. Just wow. Complain complain and whinge .

[@imabeloveddaughter]

were u a perpetrator??

[@Tawadeb]

Shut up

[@householdlogistics]

No minor, dependent child should ever be expected tolerate or accept being physically or sexually abused as some type of payment for a roof being provided over their heads. These young adults are practicing their lawful and moral right to state they experienced physical and sexual abuse while under the Guardianship of the State. It is a criminal act of negligence that occurred that it was not addressed. The Care of Children Act 2004 is readily available online from the Ministry of Justice. You might like to read it's entire contents to see just how acts of sexual and physical abuse and negligent care of minors is in fact viewed by the Court of New Zealand

[@stormchaser300]

You dont know what you talking about get a life.

[@EdmanDontace]

tell us who thy are .. .